AWESOME Wax melting setup for Hobby/Sideline Beekeepers!
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- David saves more Beeswax with this Upgrade! Thanks to David for sharing how he does it on the Big Island of Hawai'i.
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Slumgum is my new favorite word! 😂😁
Me too...I never knew what to call the stuff left after the wax was removed.
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I've just called it "residual gunk". 😜 😂 (And similar words in Swedish. 😜)
If you staple some burlap to a cut fence post and coat It with slum gum sling a rope over a tree limb and lift it up it makes a great swarm trap and all you have to do is lower it and shake it in a box then pull it back up in the tree!!
I don't know if this is how the word came about... but beekeepers use to keep bees in hollow tree sections called bee gums. Many of these were actually from Sweet gum and other Gum family trees. Perhaps they just added the word slum to it for the "junk" our of the Gum.
Here is some Bee gums. Very common practice in the South back many years ago! i.pinimg.com/originals/89/d1/4d/89d14dab2fd3403fef34243f706ee9b0.png?epik=dj0yJnU9cE9Damd6bmM3cGQ1Q0xCMW1Yb3ZiWHQ3Z2Q3WElpOEYmcD0wJm49LVY4N09hUF9EQnRBWUVNMElFQmx3QSZ0PUFBQUFBR0FYSUJZ
@@kamonreynolds The first thing you got to do is stop using Farenheit en start with celcius ! Gabriel Fahrenheit was on drugs when he introduced this .
I use slum gum for fire starter in the wood stove! A little bit starts a nice fire! After it dries I break it up in small chunks.
I take my slumgum after I proses my wax put in a solar wax Melter and leave it for 5 or 6 days it comes out clean then i use the slumgum in my swarm traps to make them smell like an old hive this year i caught 14 swarms in 10 traps
I knew a bee keeper that, after he did the first cleaning of the wax, used a series of sheets to remove the last bits. He used a removable band of some kind to hold the sheet firmly in place over a large plastic trash can. He had cut away part of the lower trash can, or barrel perhaps it was, with a 5 gallon bucket he could remove underneath to catch the wax. He melted the mostly clean wax and then poured it through these several layers of sheets. Because the wax was hot, it did not clog in the sheets. The resulting wax was pristine. He then took the 5 gallon bucket and poured the wax into his moulds. I think he used cake pans. I love inventors!
Thanks K,L & David for taking time to pass great ideas along to help others!
Kamon, I have been contemplating a slumgum press for some time now, but had not found anything that I liked for this process. I knew I wanted it to be like a French press for coffee but kept hitting a mental wall. This is so simple! Thanks for sharing. JWP
Thanks David. Awesome work, really appreciate you sharing this too, and a pleasure just listening to you explain everything.
So smart! I love watching how things are made, produced or processed.
Great video. Thanks for sharing Kaymon and David
I started using a homemade solar wax melter, it involves a aluminium roasting pan with a bunch of pinholes in one end (Strainer) and a basket made of 1/8 " hardware cloth, a cooler with old window glass cover and a bread tin catch container. The comb debris mostly stays in the basket and the rest is stopped at the strainer. Perfect clean wax after one day in the summer sun. Load the solar melter and walk away, no tedious straining.
This sounds like a great idea! Did you make a video or have pictures of exactly how you did this? I live in Tucson and a solar melter would be perfect in this environment.
I woul love to see that to!
Absolutely the way to go. Mine was a wood box lined in aluminium sheet and encases in 3 inch polystyrene insulation panel. The door was double glazed using thin greenhouse glass. 3 filter levels Coarse hardware cloth, then perforated zinc fly screen and finally 2 layers of fine linen. Gravity did all the work and the clean wax collected in a pan at the bottom. The top filters scraped clean easily and the cloth filters were cleaned in hot water to remove wax and crud. Had to stop years ago when i started getting anaphylactic reactions. If your collector had a copper outlet pipe and tap , you could drain off the wax into convenient moulds without even opening the door. You could easily re-purpose an old shop fridge with glass doors - already well insulated.
Pic please 🙏 😊
Apparently I need to move to Hawaii. Active beekeeping in January? Yes that's where I need to be.
This is for you Kamon. Go Bucks!!
"Yes Buckeye Country"
3 lbs of wax that's definitely worth messing with for me! Good job 👌
Thanks for sharing, interesting process.
Thanks very much for this presentation Kamon.
My pleasure!
I enjoy seeing these different methods. I currently use a 55gallon drum with water in it on a wood fire, and then put the slumgum in brewers bags weighted to the bottom of the drum
Thanks for sharing eagle lebird
Great vid, Kamon!
Very cool. Thanks for sharing
Ive just made my own tank and all day was trying to figure out how the filter plate should work, what size holes etc and I have to say thank you - you both have just saved my limited budget by making it all wrong.. thank you! now im going to watch it again ;)
WOW, that is an astounding amount of reclaimed wax!
I know right! Plus it makes it so much easier to get the slum gum out! I am totally going to get something like this in the future!
Thanks for making theses videos while in Hawaii, watching allows a temporary escape from this winter storm here in South Central PA! 🤙
Who can afford tickets to Hawaii?!! I don't see my apiary ever being more than partly self sufficient.
Glad you like them Ray!
10th year wedding anniversary I told Laurel I do would do something special. Here is me hitting a homerun!
Beekeeping must bee good! Hawaii! Nice! Hope you had a great vacation! I can imagine you at the beach passing the lifeguard as he yells, “hey kid! Slow down!” It was great to see how others are doing their wax recovery. Our recovery is not nearly so sophisticated. We built our own double boiler out of a food safe 55 gal. Drum and some sheet steel. We put in similar drains but I like that screen that he made…definitely one of those in my future! After making a screw type honey pump I thot that the same thing would work with pumping hot melted wax through a set of staged micro filters to end up with almost white wax. It sells for a bit more.
Very cool video. Thank you
Awesome information! Thanks!
Now that was a great video. God bless
Excellent Kamon! It was great to watch. I am a crafter and use lots of mediums including beeswax. It’s great to watch the process👏👏👏😁👍
Thanks Liz! Glad you enjoyed it!
@@kamonreynolds 😁👍👍
What i did with a few kg of thrash wax was put it in a muslin cloth ,tied it and put it in a pot with water and a brake wheel hub submerging it in boiling water. And presto
Interesting process that he's developed.
Cool process.I imagine it cost a bit to get that Maxant melter all the way from Massachusetts.
When I was a teenage,I worked in a fast food restaurant and every night after closing we would siphon the hot grease in the fryolators through a filter sock just like that.I presently use a cone shaped grease filter for my wax after it has gone through a solar melter.The solar melter has a coarse screen basket lined with paper towels to catch the slumgum.
Those Canadian keepers are the most fancy!
this was a great watch
great invention ,saved alot
I just watched a demo of a cappings centrifuge that got the honey out nice and cool and left the cappings dry and powdery. That's better than hot extracting the honey!
Nice video! I save slumgum and use for fire starters.
Bet that works great!
Me too
Subbed from Cookeville TN!
here we dont use filter socks we use water/honey bucket that are conical it helps getting the cake /cheese out once steam melted the wax is mixed with water so as time goes (we slow down the cooling with insulation so decantation last longest and does its best job of collecting all the dust/propolis/polen/slumgum into the water that sits under the melted wax ;))
Thanks for sharing
Fantastic tip.... many thanks.
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very good video, the sock filter is a good idea. Thank u.
Thank you Vladimir!
Slumming in Hawaii wow :) really great video thanks....
LOL too funny!
great video in europ we used to put all the wax in a potato bag /hemp fibre with stones and boile it under watter ... I like this adaptation and would add loud music to shake all the wax up ;) as you do this over a very long period of time ... over night might be able to throw a party on all this waiting time :D
Thanks, great video!! It's got me thinking!! LOL
You guys must have access to loads of wax. I I made a solar melter out of a shallow wood box (painted black inside) with support bars for a tray and squished up small mesh (like chicken wire) and the wax melts and filters through the wire and is collected at the bottom of the sloped tray. The whole thing is covered with a single pane of window glass (old exterior window). Keep in mind don't get it all too hot. Sure there a videos on TH-cam about these.
I use a 5 gallon paint screen for removing the finer particles. I doubt that it's 10 microns but it removes the majority of the slum gum. I put the strainer in the 5 gallon bucket, it's designed for them, then I lift it out and let the wax drain through. I can see how letting the wax separate out and float to the top of the slum gum will get more wax out as he showed. Thanks for this video.
I use same method in Montana
Goodday sir. I use that slumgum +water+stuff that attract bees,making a soup out of it and then paint the inside of my hives or catch boxes with it👍🐳
Good stuff
@@kamonreynolds a While ago I asked you for youre comments in so far as queen rearing. No comment so far. Did I place the question under the wrong heading,or can I ask any question any place anytime? Not very familiar with you tube. Cobus🐳
Thank you
Great video Kamon. I have all the stuff already. You would not believe how hard i work on wax. Thanks
Is what your are doing classified as research? Ha ha. Great job.
No but this trip does count as a 10 year wedding anniversary.....and a tax write off!
Great video thanks :)
Melt it all back down in salt water and let it cool. The salt water should pull the sediment to the bottom as the wax solidifies. I do that for separating my wax and tallow. He could have added a bit more water to that tank and he may have gotten those tiny bits left in the screener.
nice, great video. i'll have to make one of those screens to see how much additional wax ive been loosing. thx
I was pretty amazed to see that slumgum crumbling off like that
You could make wax foundations out of that for the frames.
Dude you have some balls wearing that Alabama Life Guard shirt in Hawaii. I can hear the locals: "Bruh dis crazy howlie think he a beach guard...kinna waves you savin from bruh?" 😂
I get respect when I was body surfing with them!
I wore my Aggie shirt the last time I was in Hawaii. There are a lot of college football fans there and met a few locals because of it.
@@rpeebles aggie fan huh? Where do you live? I'm in hyrum
@@kamonreynolds I lived in Hawaii for a short stint and will never forget it do to my dropped shoulder and lumped collar bone....body boarding in Sandy Beach. Shore break + inexperienced howlie = broken bones
But I guess an AL lifeguard shirt would command respect!!!
Texas and yes, love football.
Hi Kamon, the slumgum could possibly provide another revenue stream as food for wax moth larvae :) People breed wax moth for the larvae as live feed for reptiles...lizards, frogs etc. Over here in the UK I had an enquiry from such a person asking about my old comb etc, for that purpose although with only 30 colonies I didn't follow up with it. Perhaps it may be something for you to look into for your business.
I had some honey from Hawaii of a couple of different kinds of lowers. Not cheap, but interesting flavors. Recommended.
Great video. I realy want some more videos of this proces. Could you make some more?
Even with the best wax melter on the planet that's a %$#& ton of work dude! whew! cant wait to get one :)
You said it!
Solar melter only way i can get it clean .but i dont have one of them fancy Canadian bee keeper Do hickeys .. Slumgum the base of your trees holding your swarm traps maybe .. Mine goes on the garden .. Really good 🎥 funny ive been trying to push the screen into the Slumgum like he said it just ends up pushing thru the screen ill have to try the cold water trick thanks for sharing
You can buy hepa filters like streetips to use. I think they use them for shop vacs
All my clothes are bee clothes now. Lol
The slumgum comes in handy for bear hunters. Mix a little smelter honey in the slumgum and you just might end up with a couple hundred pounds of bear meat in the freezer. Just food for thought.
I know many here in Idaho that do just that.
Use the residue as fertilizer for flower beds, lawns, and so forth? It would be pure organic residue with minerals, I would think.
I heard that slum gum is really good to add to your compost
Filter socks come in 100-200-300 microns, used in aquarium filters for salt water
That's the same screen used by Ian in his wax melter 👍
Slumgum is a great fertilizer.
Got me a new word..."Slum Gum " Roll Tide
I had Maxant add a drain hole about 9” up from the bottom valve on a bottling tank. For a extra drain valve. I put a weight screen like his but no legs in the tank. Add water melt melt. Then pour good wax off the top drain. Then add more water for the slum gum turn off cool. Pull the disk of wax. It comes out like the video. The tank gets used for everything. Like surup making,decrystallizing honey.
I squeeze as much wax(Silicone gloves and 5 gallon paint strainer bags) out of the slumgum as I can and then add it to my worm compost bin, The worms eat it up
Older video, so,apologies for asking a question now!
But is there a reason why the screen was not inserted earlier, while skimming the wax out with the jug. Just to push the slumgum down and get a head start on the reclamation process? seems like you could do it then, skim the wax. Add extra wax scraps and more water and go again to reclaim?
Thanks for watching and commenting. A lot of the slum is very light and with the disruption of inserting the screen it pushes a lot of it thru and above the screen and it won't sink back down thru the small holes.
There may be a better method out there yet to be discovered. I am using Thornemfg.com 25 gallon tank and their 8 gallon tank with their 2 valve system which is designed for wax rendering
He kinda sounds like the dude from the Fox and the Hound.
I kept thinking he was going to knock those huge tubs of wax onto the floor.
Thankfully not BUT we don't cry over spilt wax we just film it and use it for blooper videos!
Put perforated 3" pipe vertically in a middle of a tank. It will help to melt wax faster.
Make a bottom of a rubbing been by the 1/2" screen. The second bottom under, will collect perfectly dry wax. You iven will not need to agitate.
Smart Idea right there...my bees do a really good job cleaning it up but that may speed the process and cut down on shb and wax moth cause you can remove part of it until it's all processed
I wonder if slum gun would be okay to add to worm bed or mix into gardens?
Worm beds, compost, garden all that stuff
Slum Gum is good for use in the garden
I found it interesting that a “robbing bin” would be illegal in some states. Can you tell me why it is illegal? I looked online but could not find any information so maybe they use different terms. Thanks!
Your videos and information is very good and useful.
American Foul Brood can be spread thru open feeding out combs and wax. It is rare but the disease is spore forming and can spread easily. Some states have a very aggressive stance against AFB.
I wonder....
what would happen if I put it I to a hot compost pile?
Good video, just what I’ve been needing to see. What is the point of a state making a robbing bin illegal?
Concerned disease might spread. But it is rare
I was using panty hose from the dollar store but that sock thingy looks like it might work a little better.
I haven't been able to find them for cheaper than 10 bucks each but I think you could run a lot of beeswax thru them if properly handled
Great video! What size tank is that - 25gal?
How many hives were both of these gentlemen operating? Great video Laurel!
between the 2 over a thousand
I use a double boiler system.
large pot with boiling water.
then place a 2and pot inside the first that has boiling water.
2and pot put 2 inches of water in first.
then place your wax cappings or comb wax in a 5 gallon paint strainer.
Tie end closed with string leave string long enough to pull the strainer out.
then with a gloved hand squeeze the wax out.
Remove 2and pot from first set aside and let cool over night.
remove wax next day.
discard dirty water.
if u wish to have super clean wax.
repeat process with 2 paint strainers.
paint strainers cast about $3.00 at Ace Hardware or home depot.
pots can be obtained from Walmart.
fir around $10.00
make sure to get one one size smaller
that will fit into the larger one.
and a $10.00 hot plate.
do this outside.
I put one empty deep frame around the hot plate and larger pot.
put 2and pot inside first.
put wax in 2nd pot .
then fill first pot with water .
Turn on hot plate to around 4.
water will heat up. also put some water in 2and pot about 2 inches.
let heat for about 2 hours and wax is ready.
remove and squeeze out wax.
remove 2nd pot from boiling water let cool over night.
I use this method in Montana
Did David drain any wax out of the tank using the valve the way Maxant demonstrates or did he only use his wax pitcher to scoop it out and strain into the tubs?
his setup is an older model with only the one bottom valve
How may hives do you have This is allot of wax Great video
I have 300+ but David has 60+ pretty good bit of wax!
Can the slum gum be used as a fertilizer for the garden??
Absolutely
I’m an aspiring beekeeper, so please forgive my ignorance. Why not strain the wax directly from the spout into the bins rather than scoop it up? Will it get plugged?
Kamon. Have you ever used or seen someone use something called a queen comb box to rear Queens? It looks like it would work amazing. Completely eliminates queen grafting. What are your thoughts.
not familiar with that system landon. are you talking about a nicot system?
Possibly. I found it at betterbee.com. maybe they gave it a different name
make fire starters from it. put in small muffin tin and freeze to dump out.
Great video . He mentioned a wax smelter that had a screen that came with it. I am unable to locate it. Could you help me locate it
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It may be illegal in TN but I know most do it anyway.
Hi many hives is Dave running? That’s a good bit of wax! 1yrs/season worth?
Hey Ray, This is just some of the wax. They produce honey even in winter (lucky dogs) so there is a lot of wax that cycles thru this place. He runs about 100 hives.
Love Hawaii!!
Have you ever tried putting the wax in a mosquito net then melting it in the melter? That should in theory make the process alot faster
Enjoying the weather? Can't believe you would be there when the weather is rotten. Enjoy
Would putting it in a paint strainer do the same?
it does I use paint strainers to get clean wax.
if u want super clean wax melt it again and strain thru two paint strainer bags or old t shirt
I do this in Montana
I'll stick with my Dadant Mini Wax Melter
I AM ALSO IN TENNESSEE...WHAT IN THIS VIDEO DID YOU SAY IS ILLEGAL HERE?
Open feeding, setting out extracted supers for the bees to clean out and etc.
@@kamonreynolds I HAD NO IDEA!
Why do some states not allow robbing tables?
Concern over disease spread.
Why are robbing bins illegal in some states?
Compost
"It looks like soil" Can you compost it???
Taking the slum to the transfer station seems like a waste. That stuff is chocked full of nutrients you can use for, at the least, compost making.