DCAU Tim Drake has almost all of Jason Todd’s comic book backstory, from his origin to his “death.” I always thought Jason would be a redundant character, unless they gave him a “darker” version of Tim Drake’s origin. I’ve joked the Tim Drake in the comics was a fanboy stalker who gained his wish to become part of his hero’s world. I would’ve been fine with the DCAU version of Todd being a fanboy stalker that Batman had rightly rejected, even though he’d discovered his identity. (He perhaps could tell from the start that Todd was unstable.) You could get a Red Hood that way without his having actually been a Robin.
@@srstriker6420 honestly that opens a big debate about whether or not the DCAU should strive to be its own unique continuity or should more and more elements of the maymin DCU be introduced in the same vain that Hal Jordan, Ms. Martian and now Jason have been inttoduced in the past years. I was also a fan of the "Jason being like Syndrome from the Incredibles" idea and I think that is a less thought out and forced concept.
I’ve always found it funny that Tim was just an intense fanboy with living parents that got his wish to become robin and then his parents essentially died immediately after he got his wish.
Also, the fact that jason is carrying that gun has a hidden meaning, since he now considers himself "The Law." and that weapon is mostly carried by law enforcements
@@Anti-HyperLink Jason carrying a cop gun is a tongue in cheek reference to the fact that he now views himself as an enforcer of the law, only his own, not the state's.
You know in the tie-in movie game for Spider-Man 2 (2004), one of Spider-Man's quips while fighting is "Say goodnight Gracie". I always thought that was just Spider-Man being random, but now I know better, so thanks!
James and the crew really doesn’t need this kind of timeline destroying um crap. Paul Dini could have written a fantastic new origin for Jason Todd but I guess he was told to keep it the same. Or maybe he just didn’t care. Regardless Watchtower Database is gonna have a LOT of work to do after this series ends.
I'm going to say that while I don't think this version of Jason needed to be Robin, the story could've worked if they had given HIM another identity to be honest. I also don't like the continuing idea that Jason as Robin, needs to be so angry and undeserving of the role. It just robes the situation of it the tragedy of losing such a young boy. It's something that the comics did as well after his death. With characters for years going on about how this poor dead kid was the wrong sort for the job, and how Bruce should've known that the boy wasn't like Dick or Tim, he didn't have what it took and hadn't any real morals. It's very... unnerving to read through even now. That the kid is basically inverse pedestalled like this. Even the sequence of his death get retcon to fit the narrative. When the death wasn't an example of negative traits he had, but of positive ones. Batman had taught some street kid, mad at the world, to trust people. And that was what got him killed. But now it has to be a negative trait that got Jason killed, it has to be his fault because he didn't listen to Batman... sigh... Well, at least it wasn't what Jim Starlin wanted to kill him with at first... AIDs. At least I've not have to read dozens of comics blame the poor kid for getting AIDs.
Comic book writers are better at writing stereotypes and archetypes than the almighty comic book accuracy. Half the time I wonder: Do the fans even care? Nowadays the second Robin is a sadist, Batman is insane and Harley Quinn is basically the Deadpool. Madness. Madness and stupidity.
@@erikthomsen4768 Actually Jason hasn't been a sadist since the Morrison run before the Nu52. It's his time as Robin that bothers me, if you look back at his stories... even in-universe his anger and aggression were two things. New and only targeted at people who hurt kids, hurt women, or were either battering pimps or serial rapists. But that's... not how it's portrayed in comics later on. The context is just ignored to pretend that the character was always warped compared to Batman. Not saying that children cartoons should have rape and child murder in them. Just pointing out that Jason's behavior was both new and with context.
What ya think dude he’s the second Robin in the comics of course every comic that has Tim drake or a tv show that had Tim drake as the other Robin jason had to exist in the world like you cannot skip threw a major character like Jason todd
What I liked about the whole Jason being Robin thing was that Bruce didn’t just want to make him Robin because he needed a new sidekick but because he wanted to get him out of his shitty living situation and make his life better. I think he deserved to be Rogin just the same as the others and I think that Bruce always cared for him the same as the others as well since after his death Batman didn’t want another sidekick and he kinda went off and lost his way a bit before Tim came along and proved that Batman always needs a Robin
I've discovered this channel about a month ago (a month ago for wherever now is) and it's awesome. I'm glad to see more things of this Bruce Timm-Frankesteinish animated universe, since here in Mexico, was so hard to get the comics. I only got chance to get the lost years comic -because of the missing and cool NIghtwing- but with you guys... my love of my child memories and anger of the lack of continuity grows more and more with each video. I promise I will donate soon enough, just stand still, guys... just stand still... BTW My comment IS cannon
remember when we thought they'd give Jason a new origin? Maybe an alternate version in which Bruce couldn't take him out from his criminal life, and maybe fall into the depths of Gotham's abyss? Yeah, me too. Should've figured this was only for selling toys.
Not only does this book add a third robin, add firefly somewhere else in the timeline, but it also adds another Batsuit to the conundrum. These comics were made for Watchtower Database.
At this point, I wish they would make a DC animated movie that cleans up the timeline and properly introduces characters in a new timeline. Or at least explain why no one remembers these people. Hell, I would even buy that the Guardians are keeping quiet about why Hal Jordan doesn't exist...
Hal Jordan has no chronological significance, so he's fine. Jason requisites Dick, Death in the Family, Tim, Joker, and a whole bunch of other things to chronologically revolve around him.
Max Alain's Meme Stash yeah the Hal Jordan thing isn’t a big deal I just wish they would’ve left it, I liked the DCAU as a more separate thing with different stories
I agree, sheer fanservice like Hal is fine because it isnt timeline relevant. Shoehorning Jason in is unnecessary UNLESS THEY MAKE IT REALLY COOL, then it is necessary.
@@DoctorTopper just like what James suggested He should have been fired by Batman for being so cruel and angry It would have made so much since and fit so much
I had really been hoping it was going to turn out he was the kid from Underdwellers. That would have been a cool connection with the show and it would explain what happened with the kid after that episode.
Let’s be honest, we should’ve always expected this. I don’t know why anyone thought that Paul Dini would care about tie in comics from over a decade ago that he didn’t write or have any involvement in. It hurts, but I don’t think any of the DCAU creators really cared or considered them canon anyways.
George Burns was usually the Straightman in the comedy routine. So, asking someone to say Goodnight, Gracie is the straightman’s job. It could just be a reference to the fact that George Burns was the straightman to Gracie Allen. Therefore the straightman in the routine was always the one who said, “Say Goodnight, Gracie.” The reference doesn’t have to be mis-remembered because the straightman in that comedy team would say that line. I’ve worded this far too repetitively.
I understand that, but Joker says: Say “Goodnight, Gracie!” Then Straightman says that’s his line, aka he’s saying his line is “Goodnight, Gracie!” Not “Goodnight” or even “Say goodnight, Gracie!” Just that specific part of it.
You could probably chock Bruce’s sulking a year later in Lost Years up to being about both Dick /and/ Jason, and place the beginning of Jason’s tenure shortly after Dick’s departure. That would fix everything being a year and a half off by at least a good bit, unless I’m missing some pieces in that theory!
I’m still hoping that they end up including some kind of time fuckery in this series so that we can explain the timeline as: yeah it doesn’t make sense but that’s ok
They really ought to just declare that this is an alternate timeline carrying on from only BTAS/TNBA, akin to how Halloween and Terminator "continued" their universes with their latest films. Honestly I think all of us more passionate fans would be much more willing to accept this comic for all of its creative choices that way.
It's too bad they didn't go the alternate reality route with Jason Todd, like you guys theorized early on. That would've been a really fun twist on a story we're all very much used to. It could've been a Jason Todd from the Justice Lords universe, who comes into this other reality, *claiming* he killed his Batman, and now vows to do the same thing in this other world. (Maybe he wants to kill this version of Batman because he's too soft to his own?)
6:42 *. . . WHENEVER NOW IS* No joke though. I think it's adorable and heartwarming how supportive his parents are. Not only watching every video out of love and support but have no idea what the hell going on most of the time (I see you James' mom and dad!) but even going so far as to be part of these skits and often being the best part. ♡♡♡
@@srstriker6420 this show is in an alternative universe where people actually liked batman and robin So they improved it by deleting the whole Nora shit and making him a common thief who jumps intro cryogenic freezer to save his diamond well probably here the diamond is Nora So Ice buns + lousy suit + no sympathetic story + diamond = perfect freeze for this alternative universe
Not to burst anyone's continuity-loving bubble, but... given how often DC's comic continuity has been re-booted, retconned, or rewritten at the whim of an uncaring creator (looking at you, John Byrne), isn't it reasonable to expect something similar with the DCAU timeline? Especially when none of the creators seems to be taking its canonicity half as seriously as you fine fellows do? I say this as a fan of your videos and your obvious love of the DCAU source material. Keep up the good work, but maybe allow for a few 'adjustments' to the old DCAU timeline by its primary writers once in a while.
*breaks table* "IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE". Part of me wants to believe that this is an alternate version of the dcau or maybe it's how stuff went down in the Justice Lords universe? Either way I wish you the best in figuring out this mess of a timeline, great video as usual :-)
I saw someone had mentioned that The Joker’s “Beep! Beep!” is a reference to a LEGO set, but I was wondering: could be more than that? Could it is also be a reference to Pennywise from It, and the actor who originated the role on screen? If so, it would be a fun snake-eats-its-tail kind of reference because the first on-screen version of Pennywise was played by Tim Curry, who, based on that performance, was originally cast to play the BTAS Joker before he had to bow out and Mark Hamill was cast. I am probably reading too much into this, but it would be fun if it were true.
17:24 goddamnit I knew it was Gentle Criminal who changed the timeline!! I guess wit would make sense for Firefly’s origin to take place in the Lost Years, it was very convenient that Tim wasn’t in that episode.
Do you really think they just wanna give up on something they’ve worked years on? They’ve put so much time and work into making these timelines, you shouldn’t just tell them to give up on something they’ve worked so long on.
I commend you for trying to keep this is canon with the timeline we know. I’m rereading and I’ve considered this now a variant on the timeline we knew. A Burnett/dini canon splintering off as it’s own version of DCAU history.
Watchtower Database At the very least I’d like to have the 17 issues we did get in a trade paperback form. It’s getting harder and harder to find the physical copies of the single issues.
The thing is, is it even "bad storytelling" if there's a little trouble fitting everything into a neat little stupid timeline? Perfect continuity isn't everything, I would just be invested in the brand new lore that's being presented.
The BTAC definately reads less like "missing TNBA episode" and more like "toy tie-in comic from the 90s".Sure,they are harmless little fun stories,but this is made by two of the architects of the DCAU so i was hoping for more than just "oh Batman meet new X character!"
Hey! I made it in the video!(Bryancage in the Twitch chat). Great video as always, I was counting down the days to hear your thoughts on this Jason back story.
Thank God you guys brought up the Barbara Gordon inconsistencies. I was the one who wrote the comment about it. I deleted it because afterword I’d discovered it may be able to be fixed with the timeline. But in your mighty fine, even divine, oneupmanship you’ve shown it works on neither side of the timeline. Which is why it hurt my brain to begin with. I knew something about Barbara being there wasn’t right, I just couldn’t put my finger on that pulse. You guys are fucking amazing. I may know the comics in and out for 70+ years, but you’re truly devoted to uncovering truth in this universe. So much love. 💙💙💙
Dude, nice video. But let me tell you why he has that suit that you referred to as the "TNBA suit" from the very beginning - the one that's shown in Jason Todd's bedroom. DC is streamlining the DCU comic-book continuity into the DCAU continuity, so the Batman's Year One suit from the comics is a suit that he also wore in the DCAU continuity now as well, because they are streamlining the DCU continuity into the DCAU continuity, so that people get more aware of the continuity in the comics, so that the DCAU continuity has everything that the DCU comic-book continuity has, and that's a very smart thing that they're doing, they are doing it so that more people will be familiar with Batman Comics and would then read Batman comics, so that people don't wonder why the DCAU doesn't have DCU continuity, so streamlining DCU comic-book continuity into the DCAU continuity is the best idea - So that everyone knows these stories, and so that everything that happened in the comics, is now retrofitted into the DCAU continuity, and that's great, especially for people who read Batman comics. I can't wait till Damian Wayne get's added, Cassandra Cain, and so on. Azrael and Deathstroke are already there, and that's great. The DCAU, for a long time, was missing these characters, and whenever you spoke to DCAU fans about these characters, they wouldn't know them, so now, atleast the DCAU fans who don't read Batman Comics, are now fully aware of these characters. It's called "streamlining", and it's an excellent idea.
I feel like jason has to be a robin for the red hood story to ever work because him and batman need that connection. But because tim drake from the DCAU is like a combination of tim drake and jason from the comics his origin does feel really similar here and if jason dies at the jokers hand why would batman ever let another robin get kidnapped and tortured by the joker ?. I think this entire series is better to be thought of as an alternate DCAU as the plot holes seem to be huge I do like jason and this series so far but it just doesnt make sense.
A potential alternative explanation for Firefly: Garfield Lynns was the second Firefly in the DCAU. The one shown in the flashbacks is Ted Carson instead.
So there's only ONE McDonald's in all of Gotham? Man, that place is a hellhole. My thinking and drawing from the comics, Jason could have been a really good example of a secret Robin that played into the TNBA Batman distancing himself from the rest of the Bat Fam, like he literally comes out of nowhere and everyone but Bruce and Alfred is like, "Who da freak?" At least it would have helped the timeline a little.
Imagine doing a corrections speed run without mentioning that OTHER Time in the dcau when mr freeze got his head frozen, in the batman vemgeance video game cutscene where batman froze mr freezes helmet for the same reason..... It's ok James, in times of crisis we forget things, I understand :-)
I wasn't there for the 90s... I was born born in 2003, but my first experience with the day was an episode of Batman beyond... Then btas... Then finally the first episode of justice league season one... I grew up watching the Fleischer superman.
I think it's better to have Jason and Tim be one person like they always did in the animated series. Because they didn't want to involve A dead Robin due to studios at the time beign less violent. Adding a secret Robin just makes Tim Drake's changed origin a waste of time
Timeline theory for Jason Todd- maybe he was like Stephanie Brown in the comics, like he was Robin but Batman didn't really want him to be and it was short lived?
As a gun nerd I will say that Jason's gun seem MUCH more likely to be some in universe version of a Colt M1911 since you can see the "slab side" slide, the grip safety at the rear of the grip as well as the style of hammer and spur. Not a perfect replica but much closer to that than a CZ75
In "Batman Vengeance", Batman freezes Fries' to save him after cracking his helmet during a battle. Shout-out to Rise of Sin Tzu as well :) 2 of my favorite games from my childhood
Remember that one scene in two face part one in which bruce has a dream that he died in the crime alley i think this is what inspired flashpoint batman
Now everytime I'm reading a new issue and SOME retcon is added, I think "uh oh! the guys at the Watchtower Database are not gonna like thissss"
🙏
I enjoy their suffering and it's clear to.me that Dini hates them.
😂😂
To destroy the Timeline even more Damian Wayne will be introduced.
At least we'll finally have some fun with Ra's and Talia
dragoncraft 03 so this is like the crimes of Grindelwald?
And to kill the timeline there must be a barry allen aka the flash
Jose Esquivias yes and Eobard Thawne instead of Hunter Zolomon
@@joseesquivias8284 Barry has to teach Wally how to kill Timelines by saving his Mom form being murdered.
DCAU Tim Drake has almost all of Jason Todd’s comic book backstory, from his origin to his “death.” I always thought Jason would be a redundant character, unless they gave him a “darker” version of Tim Drake’s origin.
I’ve joked the Tim Drake in the comics was a fanboy stalker who gained his wish to become part of his hero’s world. I would’ve been fine with the DCAU version of Todd being a fanboy stalker that Batman had rightly rejected, even though he’d discovered his identity. (He perhaps could tell from the start that Todd was unstable.) You could get a Red Hood that way without his having actually been a Robin.
Stephen Robinson yeah I understood why they couldn’t use Jason Todd
@@srstriker6420 honestly that opens a big debate about whether or not the DCAU should strive to be its own unique continuity or should more and more elements of the maymin DCU be introduced in the same vain that Hal Jordan, Ms. Martian and now Jason have been inttoduced in the past years.
I was also a fan of the "Jason being like Syndrome from the Incredibles" idea and I think that is a less thought out and forced concept.
I’ve always found it funny that Tim was just an intense fanboy with living parents that got his wish to become robin and then his parents essentially died immediately after he got his wish.
Lolo Fiallos that’s what about Jason being a syndrome
So... syndrome?
“Wait, the DCAU Continuity is broken?”
“Always has been”
"This is the best day of my life!"
-Jason Todd
😢😿 Tears, but then again he comes back really cool so?
Also, the fact that jason is carrying that gun has a hidden meaning, since he now considers himself "The Law." and that weapon is mostly carried by law enforcements
What?
@@Anti-HyperLink Jason carrying a cop gun is a tongue in cheek reference to the fact that he now views himself as an enforcer of the law, only his own, not the state's.
@@NoBody-lj5xh no, its not, its because its exactly what batman doesnt do
@@soggy_toast_69 I didn't know that interpretive things like art now had only one correct interpretation. Thank you for letting me know.
@@soggy_toast_69 no it's because gun solos Joker
Legacies Of The DCAU: Will It Canon
It obviously will canon.
I hope so!
If you create a couple of years long time pocket in the middle
@@andreworders7305 Sounds fun!
You know in the tie-in movie game for Spider-Man 2 (2004), one of Spider-Man's quips while fighting is "Say goodnight Gracie". I always thought that was just Spider-Man being random, but now I know better, so thanks!
James and the crew really doesn’t need this kind of timeline destroying um crap. Paul Dini could have written a fantastic new origin for Jason Todd but I guess he was told to keep it the same. Or maybe he just didn’t care. Regardless Watchtower Database is gonna have a LOT of work to do after this series ends.
Remember, if it’s on screen it’s Canon. This isn’t on screen. Even though it is Paul Dini, this could just be taken as noncanon if it doesn’t fit.
Agreed with you dude.
At this point I’m pretty sure that the writers just don’t give a crap about the continuity
Nice Matt Smith doctor who profile picture.
I'm going to say that while I don't think this version of Jason needed to be Robin, the story could've worked if they had given HIM another identity to be honest. I also don't like the continuing idea that Jason as Robin, needs to be so angry and undeserving of the role.
It just robes the situation of it the tragedy of losing such a young boy.
It's something that the comics did as well after his death. With characters for years going on about how this poor dead kid was the wrong sort for the job, and how Bruce should've known that the boy wasn't like Dick or Tim, he didn't have what it took and hadn't any real morals.
It's very... unnerving to read through even now. That the kid is basically inverse pedestalled like this. Even the sequence of his death get retcon to fit the narrative. When the death wasn't an example of negative traits he had, but of positive ones.
Batman had taught some street kid, mad at the world, to trust people. And that was what got him killed.
But now it has to be a negative trait that got Jason killed, it has to be his fault because he didn't listen to Batman... sigh...
Well, at least it wasn't what Jim Starlin wanted to kill him with at first... AIDs. At least I've not have to read dozens of comics blame the poor kid for getting AIDs.
Comic book writers are better at writing stereotypes and archetypes than the almighty comic book accuracy. Half the time I wonder: Do the fans even care?
Nowadays the second Robin is a sadist, Batman is insane and Harley Quinn is basically the Deadpool.
Madness. Madness and stupidity.
@@erikthomsen4768 Actually Jason hasn't been a sadist since the Morrison run before the Nu52. It's his time as Robin that bothers me, if you look back at his stories... even in-universe his anger and aggression were two things.
New and only targeted at people who hurt kids, hurt women, or were either battering pimps or serial rapists.
But that's... not how it's portrayed in comics later on. The context is just ignored to pretend that the character was always warped compared to Batman.
Not saying that children cartoons should have rape and child murder in them. Just pointing out that Jason's behavior was both new and with context.
This Robin is Tim in the animated series
What ya think dude he’s the second Robin in the comics of course every comic that has Tim drake or a tv show that had Tim drake as the other Robin jason had to exist in the world like you cannot skip threw a major character like Jason todd
What I liked about the whole Jason being Robin thing was that Bruce didn’t just want to make him Robin because he needed a new sidekick but because he wanted to get him out of his shitty living situation and make his life better. I think he deserved to be Rogin just the same as the others and I think that Bruce always cared for him the same as the others as well since after his death Batman didn’t want another sidekick and he kinda went off and lost his way a bit before Tim came along and proved that Batman always needs a Robin
I've discovered this channel about a month ago (a month ago for wherever now is) and it's awesome. I'm glad to see more things of this Bruce Timm-Frankesteinish animated universe, since here in Mexico, was so hard to get the comics. I only got chance to get the lost years comic -because of the missing and cool NIghtwing- but with you guys... my love of my child memories and anger of the lack of continuity grows more and more with each video. I promise I will donate soon enough, just stand still, guys... just stand still... BTW My comment IS cannon
remember when we thought they'd give Jason a new origin? Maybe an alternate version in which Bruce couldn't take him out from his criminal life, and maybe fall into the depths of Gotham's abyss?
Yeah, me too. Should've figured this was only for selling toys.
Hey, it's not only for selling toys-it's also for pandering to the nostalgia of both the fans and writers of BTAS!
I was kinda hoping Jason was just some civilian Bruce failed
Not only does this book add a third robin, add firefly somewhere else in the timeline, but it also adds another Batsuit to the conundrum.
These comics were made for Watchtower Database.
There's a big difference between Happy James reviewing Batman the adventure continues chapter 1
And depressed James reviewing chapter 9
The effects the passage of time has on a man?
@@maxalaintwo3578 just like Batman
@@maxalaintwo3578 well Batman said that this is the price for the mission
At this point, I wish they would make a DC animated movie that cleans up the timeline and properly introduces characters in a new timeline. Or at least explain why no one remembers these people. Hell, I would even buy that the Guardians are keeping quiet about why Hal Jordan doesn't exist...
I wish they would stop trying to make the DCAU into the main dc universe by trying to squeeze in characters like Jason and Hal Jordan
Hal Jordan has no chronological significance, so he's fine. Jason requisites Dick, Death in the Family, Tim, Joker, and a whole bunch of other things to chronologically revolve around him.
Max Alain's Meme Stash yeah the Hal Jordan thing isn’t a big deal I just wish they would’ve left it, I liked the DCAU as a more separate thing with different stories
@@matt15 Agreed
I agree, sheer fanservice like Hal is fine because it isnt timeline relevant. Shoehorning Jason in is unnecessary UNLESS THEY MAKE IT REALLY COOL, then it is necessary.
@@DoctorTopper just like what James suggested
He should have been fired by Batman for being so cruel and angry
It would have made so much since and fit so much
22:35 This comic clearly remembers the '90s-and absolutely nothing that came after. BTAC: "What's a Justice League?"
This is amazing because in a decade or two, James will be able to use his son to play his young self in the Patreon Party section of the videos.
James Beyond
@@maxalaintwo3578
James JR , did I ever tell you about the yellow batsuit of shame
I had really been hoping it was going to turn out he was the kid from Underdwellers. That would have been a cool connection with the show and it would explain what happened with the kid after that episode.
Precisely what I did in my fanfic lol. Glad I wasn't the only one who saw unseen potential in that kid
Damn this with James idea of bruce kicking him out for being brutal makes it perfect
The suit definitely looks more like the Thomas Wayne masquerade ball Batman suit
Oh and are the “Lost Years” cannon?
By all accounts yes, but this comic is stretch that fact thinner than a mfer right now
Let’s be honest, we should’ve always expected this. I don’t know why anyone thought that Paul Dini would care about tie in comics from over a decade ago that he didn’t write or have any involvement in. It hurts, but I don’t think any of the DCAU creators really cared or considered them canon anyways.
We did mostly expect it. Ty Templeton, the artist for this comic, was a big force on almost all those older comics, so there was at least a chance.
George Burns was usually the Straightman in the comedy routine. So, asking someone to say Goodnight, Gracie is the straightman’s job.
It could just be a reference to the fact that George Burns was the straightman to Gracie Allen. Therefore the straightman in the routine was always the one who said, “Say Goodnight, Gracie.” The reference doesn’t have to be mis-remembered because the straightman in that comedy team would say that line. I’ve worded this far too repetitively.
I understand that, but Joker says:
Say “Goodnight, Gracie!”
Then Straightman says that’s his line, aka he’s saying his line is “Goodnight, Gracie!” Not “Goodnight” or even “Say goodnight, Gracie!” Just that specific part of it.
You could probably chock Bruce’s sulking a year later in Lost Years up to being about both Dick /and/ Jason, and place the beginning of Jason’s tenure shortly after Dick’s departure. That would fix everything being a year and a half off by at least a good bit, unless I’m missing some pieces in that theory!
Also, next issue I could totally see Batman basically telling Jason he’s fired, and then Jason getting himself “killed” by the Joker to prove himself
6:43 I know you were itching to say "whenever now is."
Also Charlie Collins says "say goodnight Gracie" to Joker in Joker's Favor
OH MY GOD YOU’RE RIGHT
Max Alain's Meme Stash or that he had a teacher
Omg the thumbnail looks awesome 👍
I'm pretty much just viewing this comic as a fun non-canon romp. I feel like things don't really make sense, but they're entertaining.
Same I still miss Annie though😭
Same here.
My first thought when i saw jason in the robin suit was “james is gonna have an aneurysm”
I’m still hoping that they end up including some kind of time fuckery in this series so that we can explain the timeline as: yeah it doesn’t make sense but that’s ok
They really ought to just declare that this is an alternate timeline carrying on from only BTAS/TNBA, akin to how Halloween and Terminator "continued" their universes with their latest films. Honestly I think all of us more passionate fans would be much more willing to accept this comic for all of its creative choices that way.
Deoxys911 Yea exactly! I’m still having a ton of fun reading it, I just want a way to make sense of the big continuity error stuff.
Didn’t skip a single ad just because the commercial thing is so clever
Bruce loves two things:
Crime fighting and Decorating
It's too bad they didn't go the alternate reality route with Jason Todd, like you guys theorized early on. That would've been a really fun twist on a story we're all very much used to. It could've been a Jason Todd from the Justice Lords universe, who comes into this other reality, *claiming* he killed his Batman, and now vows to do the same thing in this other world. (Maybe he wants to kill this version of Batman because he's too soft to his own?)
Jokers go cart is also a reference to a LEGO polybag with him and said go cart
Oh cool I have that one
@@xyongrayson8007 same
WHERE *IS* NIGHTWING?
They could add him in when talon shows up
2:19 Queen uses T pose to assert dominance
Hahaha I’ve never noticed that
"The intro is the greatest piece of cinema I've ever seen."-Martin Scorsese
6:42 *. . . WHENEVER NOW IS*
No joke though. I think it's adorable and heartwarming how supportive his parents are. Not only watching every video out of love and support but have no idea what the hell going on most of the time (I see you James' mom and dad!) but even going so far as to be part of these skits and often being the best part. ♡♡♡
0:00 It's okay James we just need to wait until the end to determine whether this thing is even canon
5:49
Good night Gracie was also used by Charles Michael Collins during the episode joker's favor before throwing the bomb at the joker
Mr Freeze from The Batman(2004) uses his own ice as helmet
José De León and that he was not sympathetic at all
Yep, that’s what we DID say last time 🤙
@@srstriker6420 this show is in an alternative universe where people actually liked batman and robin
So they improved it by deleting the whole Nora shit and making him a common thief who jumps intro cryogenic freezer to save his diamond well probably here the diamond is Nora
So Ice buns + lousy suit + no sympathetic story + diamond = perfect freeze for this alternative universe
feras and that’s why we have the bat embargo
@@srstriker6420 I don't understand what does the bat embargo
Not to burst anyone's continuity-loving bubble, but... given how often DC's comic continuity has been re-booted, retconned, or rewritten at the whim of an uncaring creator (looking at you, John Byrne), isn't it reasonable to expect something similar with the DCAU timeline? Especially when none of the creators seems to be taking its canonicity half as seriously as you fine fellows do? I say this as a fan of your videos and your obvious love of the DCAU source material. Keep up the good work, but maybe allow for a few 'adjustments' to the old DCAU timeline by its primary writers once in a while.
Safe to say that the DCAU was better off before Dini and Burnett decided they didn't like all the stuff that happened with out them wasn't good...
*breaks table* "IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE". Part of me wants to believe that this is an alternate version of the dcau or maybe it's how stuff went down in the Justice Lords universe? Either way I wish you the best in figuring out this mess of a timeline, great video as usual :-)
When I read this issue I knew James was also having a mental breakdown as well to it fitting into the timeline
Wait……. Future Mattie has to stay at a zub-Zero environment and has time-travelling powers… and Future James… just loses hair?
What happens to Ted in the future?! Why don’t we know?!
2:44 he’s Hush lol 😂
I am hush lol
You’re Hush lol
@@hush3130 Ack! It's Hush!
lol
You guys are awesome
I saw someone had mentioned that The Joker’s “Beep! Beep!” is a reference to a LEGO set, but I was wondering: could be more than that? Could it is also be a reference to Pennywise from It, and the actor who originated the role on screen? If so, it would be a fun snake-eats-its-tail kind of reference because the first on-screen version of Pennywise was played by Tim Curry, who, based on that performance, was originally cast to play the BTAS Joker before he had to bow out and Mark Hamill was cast.
I am probably reading too much into this, but it would be fun if it were true.
3:15
Alfred isn’t Batman, he’s BETTER than batman.
Alfred is dead.
No name
Alfred never dies
17:24 goddamnit I knew it was Gentle Criminal who changed the timeline!!
I guess wit would make sense for Firefly’s origin to take place in the Lost Years, it was very convenient that Tim wasn’t in that episode.
"Say Goodnight, Gracy" "Goodnight Gracy" Veggie Tales did that.
It's been noted that James didn't watch VeggieTales growing up. Sad, I know
I don’t remember that.
@@mediumoscar The "Forgive O Matic" skit from "God Wants Me to Forgive THEM?" (the episode with the Beverly hillbilly grapes)
10:38 Gotham also had different people using the Red Hood ski mask in a group sort of like the Wolves
The only way to fix the timeline is for a DCAU version of “Crisis on Infinite Earths” or “Flashpoint Paradox”.
At this point I think you should just toss the whole timeline fitting in. It's obvious continuity isn't important to the writers
Do you really think they just wanna give up on something they’ve worked years on? They’ve put so much time and work into making these timelines, you shouldn’t just tell them to give up on something they’ve worked so long on.
I hate this so much....was really expecting Tim to be a red herring like you guys said
Mr. Freeze also had a frozen head in The Batman (2004) show.
Also nice My Hero Academia clip, I love Gentle and La Brava.
Yep, that’s what we DID say last video, about Freeze. And thanks!
Also amusement mile also was the theme park in the Killing Joke!
Been waiting for this video ever since I read this Issue. :)
JASON!
I always just assumed that Jason was the kid from underdwellers
Simplified, tiny pictures on the wall: *vaguely resemble TNBA*
Glasses man: *demonic shriek*
This the channel yeah
Id say the beep beep is a refrence to penny wise from the book to mock the childs stutter and shock him with fear of there he is
I commend you for trying to keep this is canon with the timeline we know. I’m rereading and I’ve considered this now a variant on the timeline we knew. A Burnett/dini canon splintering off as it’s own version of DCAU history.
I’ve been looking forward to this one
17:05 to 17:13 I have that commercial on the Batman/Superman World's Finest VHS tape. Awh the memories.
I wore that tape OUT.
With how successful the “ReleaseTheSnyderCut” was, do you think we DCAU fans could get a “ReprintBatmanAdventuresVol.2” movement going?
#ReleaseAaronSparrowsJLUComic
Either would have to be completed to begin with ;)
Watchtower Database 😭
Watchtower Database At the very least I’d like to have the 17 issues we did get in a trade paperback form. It’s getting harder and harder to find the physical copies of the single issues.
The red hood also looks really similar to jasons current red hood costume in current comics, the one with a red hood and a casey jones mask.
The thing is, is it even "bad storytelling" if there's a little trouble fitting everything into a neat little stupid timeline? Perfect continuity isn't everything, I would just be invested in the brand new lore that's being presented.
Separate things. Continuity issues aside, BTAC’s story leaves something to be desired.
The BTAC definately reads less like "missing TNBA episode" and more like "toy tie-in comic from the 90s".Sure,they are harmless little fun stories,but this is made by two of the architects of the DCAU so i was hoping for more than just "oh Batman meet new X character!"
Hey! I made it in the video!(Bryancage in the Twitch chat). Great video as always,
I was counting down the days to hear your thoughts on this Jason back story.
Thank God you guys brought up the Barbara Gordon inconsistencies. I was the one who wrote the comment about it. I deleted it because afterword I’d discovered it may be able to be fixed with the timeline. But in your mighty fine, even divine, oneupmanship you’ve shown it works on neither side of the timeline. Which is why it hurt my brain to begin with. I knew something about Barbara being there wasn’t right, I just couldn’t put my finger on that pulse. You guys are fucking amazing. I may know the comics in and out for 70+ years, but you’re truly devoted to uncovering truth in this universe. So much love. 💙💙💙
This has the Batman seal of approval
The Wolfe’s red hood design and role sort of reminds me of The Red Hood Gang from the Gotham TV show.
This channel is amazing I really want to make videos like this
17:10 Oh my God, I remember those commercials!
15:20 This could be a reference to the Golden Age early utility belt, specifically the first appearance design.
Dude, nice video. But let me tell you why he has that suit that you referred to as the "TNBA suit" from the very beginning - the one that's shown in Jason Todd's bedroom. DC is streamlining the DCU comic-book continuity into the DCAU continuity, so the Batman's Year One suit from the comics is a suit that he also wore in the DCAU continuity now as well, because they are streamlining the DCU continuity into the DCAU continuity, so that people get more aware of the continuity in the comics, so that the DCAU continuity has everything that the DCU comic-book continuity has, and that's a very smart thing that they're doing, they are doing it so that more people will be familiar with Batman Comics and would then read Batman comics, so that people don't wonder why the DCAU doesn't have DCU continuity, so streamlining DCU comic-book continuity into the DCAU continuity is the best idea - So that everyone knows these stories, and so that everything that happened in the comics, is now retrofitted into the DCAU continuity, and that's great, especially for people who read Batman comics. I can't wait till Damian Wayne get's added, Cassandra Cain, and so on. Azrael and Deathstroke are already there, and that's great. The DCAU, for a long time, was missing these characters, and whenever you spoke to DCAU fans about these characters, they wouldn't know them, so now, atleast the DCAU fans who don't read Batman Comics, are now fully aware of these characters. It's called "streamlining", and it's an excellent idea.
It was really cool having a comment shown on video, keep up the great work
I like how the cat was trying cheer him up
I feel like jason has to be a robin for the red hood story to ever work because him and batman need that connection. But because tim drake from the DCAU is like a combination of tim drake and jason from the comics his origin does feel really similar here and if jason dies at the jokers hand why would batman ever let another robin get kidnapped and tortured by the joker ?. I think this entire series is better to be thought of as an alternate DCAU as the plot holes seem to be huge I do like jason and this series so far but it just doesnt make sense.
A potential alternative explanation for Firefly: Garfield Lynns was the second Firefly in the DCAU. The one shown in the flashbacks is Ted Carson instead.
Yo thanx! That was great.
So there's only ONE McDonald's in all of Gotham? Man, that place is a hellhole.
My thinking and drawing from the comics, Jason could have been a really good example of a secret Robin that played into the TNBA Batman distancing himself from the rest of the Bat Fam, like he literally comes out of nowhere and everyone but Bruce and Alfred is like, "Who da freak?" At least it would have helped the timeline a little.
So, not only do I need a costume display case, i have to worry were it goes? Need a big penny with different sizes as well. Thanks
Imagine doing a corrections speed run without mentioning that OTHER Time in the dcau when mr freeze got his head frozen, in the batman vemgeance video game cutscene where batman froze mr freezes helmet for the same reason..... It's ok James, in times of crisis we forget things, I understand :-)
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"Do you remember the 90s?"
Me: "No, I do not."
Lol
17:43 So Jason being voiced by David Lynch is my new headcanon
12:46, perhaps the tnba suit is the batman first suit BUT in some point batman added the spikes in the arm
I wasn't there for the 90s... I was born born in 2003, but my first experience with the day was an episode of Batman beyond... Then btas... Then finally the first episode of justice league season one... I grew up watching the Fleischer superman.
0:47 lol happy that made it in
It was my favorite
Oh hey, I get a Watchtower Database livestream for my birthday?
I think it's better to have Jason and Tim be one person like they always did in the animated series. Because they didn't want to involve A dead Robin due to studios at the time beign less violent. Adding a secret Robin just makes Tim Drake's changed origin a waste of time
5:48 "Say good night Gracie." is also what Joker said right before poisoning the UN HQ auditorium with his Joker Venom in A Death in the Family.
Timeline theory for Jason Todd- maybe he was like Stephanie Brown in the comics, like he was Robin but Batman didn't really want him to be and it was short lived?
Damn you DC! Go make more animated movies and stop making DCAU timeline more complicated for people like us
Edit:Complicated
Complicated
As a gun nerd I will say that Jason's gun seem MUCH more likely to be some in universe version of a Colt M1911 since you can see the "slab side" slide, the grip safety at the rear of the grip as well as the style of hammer and spur. Not a perfect replica but much closer to that than a CZ75
In "Batman Vengeance", Batman freezes Fries' to save him after cracking his helmet during a battle.
Shout-out to Rise of Sin Tzu as well :)
2 of my favorite games from my childhood
The Bob Kane Bat-suit was also seen in display in the TMNT crossover movie
Nice
Remember that one scene in two face part one in which bruce has a dream that he died in the crime alley i think this is what inspired flashpoint batman
Cat randomly snuffs butt lol