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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2023
- Thanks to everyone for helping to set up this race:
- Dodge Viper: @PetersenMuseum
- Porsche 911 930: / eros.plateroti
- www.autoconcierge.net/
It’s time for a classic car showdown!
We’ve got our hands on the Porsche 911 Turbo 930, and it’s going up against a Dodge Viper from 1992!
So let’s see how the two compare. Starting with the Porsche, it’s powered by a 3.3-litre flat-six air-cooled engine that can produce 300hp and 430Nm of torque. Power is sent to the rear-wheels only, and it tips the scales at 1,310kg.
Then alongside it we have the Viper. It’s powered by an 8-litre V10 that can produce 400hp and 630Nm, with this power sent to the rear wheels via a 6-speed manual gearbox. It may have more power than the Viper, but it’s also heavier, weighing in at 1,490kg.
So will the newer, more powerful Viper snatch it? Or will the extra weight prove decisive? There’s only one way to find out… LET’S RACE!
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What stands out the most is how much more effort it takes to drive/race older cars than it does the new ones.
That’s why they’re more fun.
Not really, I drove them all the time with zero problems……..so did most people 🤷🏽♂️
@dennissmith7214 no u didn't 😂 attention seeker
@@dennissmith7214 I’m sure you did, but what he means is you had a crunchy manual gearbox, no abs, no launch control etc. Thats what he means. Modern cars basically drive themselves; these cars rely on the computer behind the wheel which makes them infinitely more fun.
That's why they are more driver involved than the majority current cars.
Why not also give us the best time you got from each car? The Porsche's first run may have been faster than the Viper's third run. Especially as these are fragile classics and tricky to race.
and add the exit speeds while they're at it
because these are just for fun , not scientific.
I really wish they could see your comment and take into consideration.
That's what the times are. The best of the runs. Has always been this way...
If you go by historic car magazine times, the Viper wins by 0.5 sec
I wonder how the race would have went if they both started at the same time.
I used to have a Viper... You can not launch that Viper hard, it spins off every time. She did go on time.. she just had to launch it without the wheels spinning...
Watch the video again she was late on the gas. It was not from her wheel, spitting she was late, and then, after she was late, her wheels were spitting.
... and both would be able to switch gear.
I was honestly shocked how fast that little Porsche was once it made boost! I thought the Viper would win with ease. Porsche has always punched way above its weight! The 911 Turbo S has always been one of my favorite cars but I never knew how cool the 930 is. Luna did pretty damn good with managing that Viper too, so props to her!
If Luna were to just 'go' on 1, she'd be killing it. 😊
That would be against the Geneva convention
she is a woman, what would you expect
and if she could shift gears
Obviously she didn't know and Matt took advantage of it. As you said, she would have won from the 1st try.
@@wooloongabba lol good one
Thanks carwow, that was a lot of fun. The Viper is a blast to drive and even though I missed some gears and took off 3.5 business day later than I should have, I hope you all can enjoy this race.
You should do a rematch but in Ken Block's Fiesta
I’d be down, obviously. Now that I learned, thanks to all the comments, how I should be driving in a drag race 😏
Come over to the UK and give him a rematch. You can borrow my 2003 Gemballa tuned Porsche Cayenne with 650BHP.
You were great 💪🏾
Great driving Luna, you destroyed Matt 😆
Mat's second launch was brutal, too bad he missed the gear change
😅 for real but lets be honest a old gear box rear drive verry easy to miss a gear
That 930 is gorgeous! I shed a tear for its clutch though, while watching these folks learn to drive manual
The girl is very consistent in launching the car too late.
Well working in a museum youre used to stationary stuff😂
I guess she was just unaware that she is supposed to go when the hands just start going down and not after the hands are completely down.
“Oh yeah let’s have a woman on the channel!”
@@hendrixAKA32 Most ppl don´t know that and maybe that´s the reason...
You said it, not me! 😁
more of these older cars drag races please!!!!
yeah but with drivers who can actually drive them properly… not like this mess of a video
Yea cossies and Subaru 22b e30 m3 etc be good to see
I work on these old school Porsches quite a bit, and yes. The turbo lag is very real. Once they're in boost, they are pretty fast, but it takes ages. Especially with an upgraded bigger turbo! Fun cars for sure
That’s why they are called widow makers. Once that turbo boosts, many loose it.
@lunabond2 deserves a lot more credit than the commenters are giving her. No launch control, no antilock brakes, no traction control.
The first generation of Viper is an incredibly unforgiving car-it’s one of the few cars I’ve driven that feels like it’s actively trying to kill you.
Great driving!
Neither car had any of that stuff.
Wow, I forgot how cars actually accelerate without all the assists, automatics etc. Just beautiful.
Most cars actually accelerated better without those assists applied.
@@purwantiallan5089 no. they accelerated faster but not better. far less linearly
@@purwantiallan5089they quite literally did not lmao. Cars are miles faster with modern launch control, TC and automatic transmissions
@@purwantiallan5089idk what you’re talking about. I’m usually into older cars but you just sound like an old head 😂. New cars are by far better when it comes to launching and hitting consistent drag times due to that…
9:06 Oh come on Matt thats not how you break in a car without ABS 😂
he definitely flat spotted those poor tyres 😭
He didn't break it in though ;)
both did
@@wrth
Yeah I don’t think I’ve ever done that to my tires braking without ABS. Threshold braking is a must and I didn’t see any hint of that here.
Hahaha both cars need new tires due to flatspots now!
Love these classic races
Watson!!!!! That was the most egregious headstart you've ever done!!! And you do it like every time!!!
These older car drag races are so much more fun to watch. I remember racing my manual 87 5.0 LX against Irocs and vettes back in the day and I really miss that visceral feeling you don't get from modern cars.
Racing a manual against another manual is a huge rush hey
@@Rollin8.0 Yes 100%
Yep. Those days were exciting. Also, if you managed to beat a viper back in the day, you were either not street legal or one of those guys with the deep pockets and callaways or lingenfelters.
@@ITRIEDEL Yes I was know to use nitrous in my 87 lx so I could run with the big boys lol
@@ITRIEDELor GN owner
Sound test: 3:01
Drag race 1: 4:26
Drag race 2: 5:29
Drag race 3: 6:13
Rolling race 1: 7:32
Rolling race 2: 8:16
Brake test: 9:05
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Irrelevant, nobody skips to these parts. Whole video is important each and everytime.
Mate first of all what you doing on that side of the track also love seeing the cars jolt as you change gear
You should do more races like this don't see these 2 matched up often but were expecting a good rce
What I love about the older cars is the gap on gear changes gives the other car such a chance to catch up. Like a proper old car chase movie!
Dude that is absolutely exactly what I say everytime about manual gear boxes... People usually like when the gearchanges are quick yet taking its time to change gear absolutely is marvelous hearing the engine stop then goes and seeing the other car getting closer 😍
Advantage of manual gearbox is its a great deterrent to carjackers
Back when skill mattered when racing cars, gotta respect the classics
Well, it still matters if you're running laps on a track. Not so much in drag racing though, as you say.
This channel never disappoint's
Wicked race
These were the exact times I achieved with my 84 930. It had adjustable boost and ran 13.2 at the track at .8 bar. With boost at 1.3 bar and 100 octane it ran 12.8. As an aside in high school I drove a 59 beetle with 36 hp. 0 to 60 was 30 seconds. I now drive a 2022 911 turbo s. 0 to 60 10.0 with cup 2rs on it. It is absolutely violent.
0-60 at 10 flat is slow mate. Just kidding. I know what you meant.
@@fitfogeyi'm pretty sure he's talking about his quarter mile time lol 😭
That porsche is just a masterpiece
This is one of the best carwow drag races I've seen period
These both are in my top five favorite cars and these are some of the most beautiful cars ever designed imo.
Super fun race.
I love how older cars had such unique power bands. Nowadays cars have engineered out almost all power dips. Love to see the Porsche lurch on gearshift and pull on boost. Awesome.
It's awesome to see these iconic old cars being allowed out to play. Too often they end up as garage queens. I get the older they get, the more delicate and expensive to repair they get, so I very much appreciate videos like this.
Please do a drag race with low end cars such as the Kia Rio, Nissan Versa, Hyundai Verna or Toyota Corolla!! It would be a good thing to see!! Congrats on the great content of this channel!!
Old school❤
Love it
Even though these cars are not as fast as present day cars, this race is more exciting to me, actual human input matters, and the closeness of the first race was exciting
You guys should consider displaying the drag race times for each attempt because the last drag race time is not always the best attempt.
I dont think they show the last, i think they do show the best
@@joeschmoe5009 I hope so. But it'll be better they display it after every try, because it also helps for context... Can you get the same result 3 times from the same car? Etc.
The 1st gen viper was a 13.0 flat second car based on the times of the past so 12.8 is def a “best” time.
@@ITRIEDEL fair enough
such a cool car that 911 (930)
great video!
These cars are legends! If I see them together I must say Wow! 👏
Mat is great at drag racing ... in EVs
i think everyone is lmao, my dog could launch a Tesla Plaid xD
@@fuze3522 i'd pay to see that!
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@@fuze3522 💩🥴💩
@@fuze3522 even the my mouse can. 😂😂
Drag races with old cars and manual gearbox is toooooooo exciting for me. I hope this serie will continue
Brilliant race 😜
5:05 'not by muchhhhhhh' HUH! It doesn't matter weather you win by an inch or a mile, winnings, winning!
There's something undeniably magnetic about the raw, unfiltered experience of driving older cars. It's not just about speed or technology; it's the skill, the connection between driver and machine, the dance of clutch and gear that makes every successful run a triumph. These cars aren't just vehicles; they're time machines taking us back to an era where driving was an art, not just a task. Plus, seeing them in action, especially in races, is like watching history come alive. So, here's to the old-school cool - the rumble of engines, the smell of gasoline, and the thrill of manual mastery. Who else agrees that this is what car culture is all about? 🏎🔥 #OldSchoolCool #ManualMastery #CarCulture
yep i would never buy a new car now when i get the cash, 60s-80s-90s for me period, dont care if the new stuff is faster i just like the older cars with character and manual
trans where you have to a driver not just a passenger as the cars do all the work for you
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Love the Viper but would take that Porsche in a heartbeat
Same, i preffer the porsche over the viper cause im planning to buy one and turn it into Black Bird (Wangan Midnight Version)
ok fair enough but , i will take the viper, just cool looking and that v10 sound is raw and angry, sounds way better than the porsche, cant beat it
@@chrism869Sounds really bad for a V10
@@chrism869Imo cars shouldn’t be based on their sound, they are about performance, handling and just the thrill of driving it, which Porsche definitely has
@@triplenppl And the Viper would absolutely have all of that as well lol, in fact that 930 was called a “widowmaker” for essentially the same reasons that the Viper was so both should be on equal footing 😆
That RT10 from Gran Turismo 1.
Witch the R32 GTR and the Jaccs race moded Civic was my top 3.
That first race was an amazing game of catch up.
What I enjoyed most in this video -- the cars, the manual transmissions of both cars, Luna, and the brake test.
Great video Matt.
All I’m asking for Christmas is a race where Matt can figure out how NOT to jump the start line before the arms come down
You go when the arms start coming down, not when they’re all the way down.
Basically once their arms are up you go if they move at all.
@@NBSV1 as a racer myself I must say he jumps, a lot. He rarely waits for arms to even start going down. A timing light or even a flashlight start would solve those questions but if he’s jumping as much as I say, of course that wouldn’t benefit him, thus we will never see that happen.
back in the 80s as a boy i had a Poster of a 930 Turbo in Red with black in my room, but with the original Fuchs Wheels. Every time i see one of this car the memories are kicking in...
I was thinking today it had been a long time since I’d seen a Carwow clip and one turned up!
the best drag race so far, much funnier with those non-electrified cars where everything is manual
Two of my all time favourite old timers ! Thank you carwow!
Both of those cars are frim my childhood. Gorgeous machines
The break test was the funniest I’ve seen in ages.
The 911 has always been an impressive car
more so than many of their drivers.
But it got beat by the Viper.
@@Mandolin1944 on boost its faster it seems.. so depending on in which gear they race the 911/viper wins
@Mandolin1944 the Viper has 5 litres more displacement... it would've been an absolute disgrace if it didn't win😂
@@dennis_nl7587 duh na vs turbo
I think what were learnt here is that Matt cannot actually drive a car that has a manual clutch, a gear stick and no launch control😁
He can not drive, period
Dont forget no ABS!
The pre-89 with 4-speed was meant to live in 2nd and 3rd. His gear shifts are so linear it’s hard to watch. But…breaking the 930…will always be the stuff of nightmares…
Any manual car review/ drag race is painful to watch. He is hopeless at operating a car
Love watching the older car vids
Love both
I dearly miss the good old drag races back from the late 90s and early 2000s when manuals were kings and it was up to the driver's skill, not only flooring your foot and holding the wheel.
This is what makes manual transmissions more fun, skill of the driver really comes into play.
Classic showdown right here
I used to drag race against both of these cars back in the early 1990s in a 150hp 1973 Beetle. They usually won, but not by much.
Lol heck yeah
I’d like to see y’all do a 3 way comparison race the viper rt/10 with a 1990 Diablo, 94 F512M.
Love the Viper, what a fabulous sound in any case.
Well done on this Folks very interesting.
Would cadence braking have helped either of these cars stop earlier I wonder.
I have used it since I started to drive a very long time ago and luckily never needed it in a real situation but the flashing of the brake lights tends to attract the attention of the vehicle behind in any case!
Viper really looks great after 30 years!
Luna looks good after 30 years!
What a video, friend, what a video!!! Two respectable machines, in the competition color, Luna is a charm, she demolished the Viper's idea of insecurity, she stopped a truck before the Porsche!! Sensational!! Hugs from Brazil (especially to Luna 😊👏👏👈👏👏)
Playing Gran Turismo is what made me understand how exciting a Dodge viper is to drive, completly dangerous on the game but when you master the way it drives it is just thrilling and exciting.
I love the old cars shot outs. I have a lightly modded (380ish crank hp) 92 Twin Turbo Stealth weekend car, an APR tuned 2020 SQ7, and a stock 2019 C43 and driving them fast is night and day. The Stealth is raw and just fun to drive fast especially when you get into the boost. The C class is a little faster and in the case of the SQ7 with the APR tune, ridiculously faster but there are no stakes. You just point the steering wheel and press the go pedal with those, which is comparatively boring even though they are faster. Rowing your own gears, all the sounds, no annoying overly protective safety systems, and just the low to the ground fighter pilot cockpit is just fun and makes me smile every time. And the ridiculously tall gearing in a lot of the 90s cars is a blast. 2nd in the Stealth will run around 85 mph so there are just these long, push you back in the seat pulls you don't get with modern 8 speeds.
We need to give it to the viper. It looks like a modern car. Such a spaceship.
I love the old car rage races, because they aren't as linear as the newer ones. There isn't launch control, there are gear change lags, and overall more soul to them.
Both are such beautiful, cool cars. I couldn't choose between them.
My friend had an r/t 10 and I remember the interior looked like an old escort and the doors were tiny and weighed nothing! But once you put your foot down...oh boy! And this was in the UK in early 2000s people thought it was a spaceship turned heads like crazy! Only issue is I burnt my leg getting out on the exhaust.. the little sticker inside the door sill obviously was too little 🤣
I wasn't expecting them to be that quick. I had a 6sp '98 z28, which had the corvette LS1 engine, and it ran 13.8s, which smoked pretty much everything at the time, yet that porsche is more than 10 years older runninh 13.2.
It's a 911 turbo and you dare to compare it to a Z28😂😂😂
in a 1/4 mile, yes. My LS1 ran 13.3 stock.
That’s a clean pass 13.8 and Porsche ran a 13.2 with bad launch and bad shifting
It's common knowledge that old american muscle cars really aren't that fast compared to their European competitors
@@madcarbsmy LS1 Z28 did 13.1 stock and a number of people even hit 12s. Crazy how they were slept on so bad and even today people act like they’ve never heard of it. 🤯
New effects are pretty dope guys! Great work carwow team
#Facts
cool to see
Good race great drivers
@carwow , is it possible to start noting the tires used on the cars? At least for breaking that can greatly change the outcome.
9:46 Matt got that Rizz game 😂❤
I was in a 1978 Porsche 924 (I know cheap, not a Porsche) but was having fun racing with a Viper. I held up pretty well.
crazy how in 92' an 8 liter was pushing 400hp compared to today getting it out of a stock 2 liter (NA vs forced induction but still)
Newer engines whilst more efficient have to work much harder than that old 8 litre. It wasn't tuned to be at it's utmost potential
Cybertruk vs 911 Turbo S !!!!
ASAP
I love both!
Old but gold 🔥
Porsché doing what Porsché does best. When Mat's not messing up the gear changes😂
I vote for more drag races with Luna please.. 😁😁
Andial intercooler on the 930 makes me think there's more going on than meets the eye ? Maybe some exhaust mods as well ?
Really appreciate the translation from cost to weight .
I don't like football, but love cars. Heck, when I think about it, my football loving friends aren't car guys, and car friends don't like football. Even my dad loves cars but hates football. My brother loves football but doesn't have the slightest interest in cars. I think you're onto something here, Mat 😂
Mat, is it just me, or you let Luna win, my friend? You're walking on a thin ice, buddy! 😀
This is one of the best videos I've ever seen, also the comparison is unbelievably fun to watch. 2 of my favorite schools drag racing each other!
How is it a good video apart from the banter, viper drag race runs 2&3? I know they need to post videos, but this one seemed scuffed. Im impressed that no one called out her mis-shift in the rolling race where she hit 5th instead of 3rd both times and the Porsche miraculously got faster at the point where horsepower should be winning.
930 turbo with a 4 speed. Rev engine 2,500 rpm , dump clutch burn rubber 3 feet, hook up, count one one thousand two one thousand then boost appears. Shift the rubber shifter at red line to the wide spread 2 nd gear. Motor goes flat, no boost, repeat 2 second count, boost arrives. Repeat for 3 rd gear & 4th. Oh, and make sure the wheels oh and make sure wheels are pointed straight ahead when boost comes or bad things might happen. The 5 speed I. 1989 changed this car from slow to go. 911 SC cams for go. And if you find yourself going too fast thru a corner, do not back off the throttle and never ever consider touching the brake pedal. Your right foot is the traction control and abs and your hands are the PDCC and PSM. And it has an extra pedal.
That 911 is a beauty! And I'm also not a football fan at all.
that porsche 😍😍
Great to see a race between to older cars that don’t have all the driver aides that modern ones do. Much more down to driver skill back then.
I've always liked the clean look of the US spec rear red light housings on the 911 compared to the amber ones on Euro cars....
Let’s go Viper! My favorite car of all time
The Viper driver is missing the count each time. I would say she is a few tenths too late
Old school awesome! And we need much more Luna!
luna Instagram ? please
2 great looking cars 👍
5:30 her launches are like 3 business days late lol
I guess she was just unaware that she is supposed to go when the hands just start going down and not after the hands are completely down
Luna’s calm demeanor makes Mat seem like a chaotic mess. I mean more than he usually is.