What a silly premise. A model 3 is nowhere near the luxury and quality of an ES. The model 3 is closer to a Fiat Punto than the ES, yet it costs just slightly less than the ES. The obvious smart pick here is the ES because you get a lot more value for your money.
@@MuscleBandit Lexus parts are Toyota parts. I am no FIAT expert but Toyota maintenance is significantly cheaper than for instance VAG. Why are all such videos posted by unemployed or retired people? For others time wasted while charging also costs money.
Dude stop comparing different categories of cars against each other! The ES is business executive car & a mid size sedan, a model 3 is a compact non executive car!! A correct comparison would a Model S to the ES or Model 3 to the IS. Model 3s to 3 Series not 5 Series and so on! You need to be fair!
@@seandavis2520 Wonder how those millions of Tesla drivers do without body or seats... Tesla barely started 10 years ago in the premium market and has kicked Lexus' to the fuckin curve. By the time the EV revolution is over Tesla might end up being the nr1 manufacturer in the world, sporting quite a privileged spot in the automotive history, while Lexus' with luck will continue to be the pretending premium brand for posers and rich wannabes that cant afford to buy or mantain proper premium cars.
I leased a 2020 Lexus ES 300h after test driving all Tesla’s models. I really wanted to go with a EV this time. However after my extensive research it was not to be. I live in South Florida. My closest Tesla dealer is 60 miles away. My local Lexus dealer is only 6 miles away. Lexus incentive was 0% interest on my 3 yr lease or purchase. I also got the $1000 military rebate which Tesla didn’t offer plus a another $1000 rebate as a repeat customer. And to top all this off I negotiated where my Lexus dealer paid for my fuel use for 30K miles which my lease was for. There’s no incentive for buying a Tesla in Florida. My Lexus dealership offers free car washes and the best complementary snack bar for their customers on the East Coast of S. Florida. In my personal opinion, the model 3 drives no where as luxurious as the Lexus ES 300h. The model 3 is very fast however rather noisy. It’s interior material (called vegan leather) is nothing more than vinyl. Tesla’s quality, finishes at the bottom for reliability. Don’t get to where you ever need body work on a Tesla, it could take months for those parts here in the US. I do appreciate Tesla’s attempts at technology though. Perhaps in another 2 years I’ll take another look at Tesla again.
Bro, you can say anything you want about Tesla's quality but drive quality, especially when compared to a frikin mcpherson strutted fwd like that shitty ES, is fuckin sublime. The laggy, sluggish and noisy powertrains in that Lexus feel like the bronze age next to any electric powertrain.
@@AI-qd4vb another Tesla fan-boy that never experienced luxury. Looks like Elon Musk even agrees, dropping the prices of his Teslas by tens of thousands of dollars. Guess you got caught holding the bag on your deprecated 4 wheel iPad.
Well it’s now 2 years later from my original post. My 3 year Lexus lease expired 2 weeks ago. With only 16K miles on the clock I decided to purchase my end of lease Lexus ES 300h. I did take another look at Tesla like I said I would and even though Tesla prices have significantly fallen, I decided against Tesla at this time. I don’t drive cars much, my choice of transportation is my 2015 Harley Road Glide CVO with 140K miles on the clock. Even though my Harley gets about 10 mpg less than my Lexus, it’s still my preferred ride.
Lexus IS truly a luxury car. The details that they put into their car. No where is Tesla close. But Tesla is new and pride with high tech. They are two different animals. I drove my Lexus to the ground. All I had to do was change its engine oil, brakes , filters , wipers , tires. All DIY but tires. There won’t be anything DIY for Tesla. My brother just got a model 3 and their paint job is a joke. Lol . I will consider a model Y sometimes in the future. Great video though!!!
Luxury my ass. Its frikin filled with hard plastics, fake wood trim, fake leather and a joke of an infotainment... Funny you speak about the paint job on the Tesla. You think your water based paint on the Lexus is better? Orange peel galore. The ES is a fancy Camry. Nothing else. Drives like shit, doesnt keep up in the luxury department with any real premium competitor other than maybe those silly Acura. Heck, its been tested it cant even keep up in the noise department with sporty germans like the BMW who dont even put that much effort on the "luxury" aspects of their cars.
I work at the lexus dealership. Our cars last more than 20 years. We have a tesla dealership next to us and their service is preety busy. As you said you pay a little more on the car but how all of our cars are delivered out of dealership Tesla just can imagine. Those are 2 different kinds of cars a luxury car and a electric car. But in 2021 we will introduce a electric UX . ( jou can watch how our cars are manufactured vs teslas)
That was a decent analysis. Not all the items are apples to apples though. The ES is a nicer car than the Tesla. Fit and finish, overall build quality, ride comfort and road noise are all considerably better in the ES. The two are really different classes of cars. Tires wear out faster on Tesla's due to weight. Parts and repairs are MUCH more expensive on a Tesla. Not to mention that even a decent intermediate DIY mechanic generally can't work on them. I like Tesla. Eventually I think I'll own one. But a hybrid, especially a Toyota brand hybrid, has significant advantages over a Tesla as it currently stands. I suspect that may change in the future.
This video did not point out the main differences: Tesla - blazing fast. Lexus - very comfortable ride. And probably the most important - in a hybrid you don't have to go along with the hassle of finding working charging stations and wasting hundreds of hours of your life waiting. You may have to pay a few more $ in running cost, but you don't waste your most valuable asset in life - time! And reliability is another thing - Tesla still have to prove themselves, Lexus have build their reputation for over 30 years and are synonymous for Reliability.
I love relaxing and charging I get more stuff done actually my Tesla is like my office and even when I get home I’ll still sit in my car and watch movies TH-cam on the Tesla screen so it’s about perspective here
Come on this is on paper, but in reality lexus have more advantages like its luxury and reliable, one tank will give 600 mile journey and you only need 3 minutes to full a pay comparing to 250 mile in 15 minutes and don't forget the beautiful design of lexus, keep in mind driving lexus is an experience it self any way it worth it
So let me get this straight, you add safety features to the Lexus to make similar features but you don’t compare the model 3 long range to try to make the range closer? This may be the most bias video I’ve seen in a while
There is no way you would need to replace the brakes on a ES Hybrid in 75000 miles. $1200 in repairs for one of the most reliable cars is a stretch to say the least. No where did he talk about the cost of installing a level two charge at home either. The model three can’t compare with the IS let alone a ES.
But the Lexus ES is SO MUCH BETTER than a Tesla!!! The seats are WAY MORE comfortable and you have a MUCH MUCH BETTER LOOKING interior with the Lexus!!! I Do Not like how Tesla Model 3 has a big screen in the middle but not provide a driver dashboard to show common things like speed! I would DEFINITELY feel cheated in a Tesla!!! No thanks!!!
And the most important point is to full lexus you need 3 minutes to get 600 miles journey while you need at least 15 minutes if not more to get 250 mile in tesla
Forgot to mention that EV tires are generally much more expensive than standard car tires and wear put much faster. So not only are you paying more per replacement tire, you do it more often. This can also drive up costs. Lexus engines will never die while the EV battery will most likely lose capacity over the course of 5 years, costing you precious range and more in charging. Not to mention that eventually you will have to replace the battery, which can cost anywhere from 12,000 to 20,000 dollars (If you replace all packs)
Any more other nonsense youd like to spew? Most Lexus' with more than 200k miles are toast. An engine wear can not be stopped no matter how much you will for it. An EV barely loses any capacity over 5 years also. Most brands offer you 10 year of battery warantee too. Check your facts next time.
yeah i dont know where this guy got his pricing unless he was duped by the Tesla website that uses gas/gov't incentives to artificially lower the price. A model 3 is 50k+ on average. Factor in subpar craftsmanship, unproven longterm battery life and lack of range/fueling infrastructure and the Lexus is the clear winner.
The reality is , no one will spend 10k replacing faulty batteries on a used tesla worth 10k . I believe this will destroy the used car market that will be flooded with pre owned teslas , that no one will buy. People have to acept the biggest expense to cars is depreciation , not fuel costs.
Tesla has an 8 year factory warranty. Nothing comes near to its 8 yr. asking someone why they wouldn’t want to keep a Tesla for more than 8 years is like asking someone why they wouldn’t wanna keep and use an 8 year old iPhone. They are designed to upgrade not remain until dust. It’s an electronic. I love both Lexus and Tesla. They are both kings for a reason.
@@caleb8285 What are you talking about? I am driving my Lexus for 17 years and still strong. It's driven over 470,000km. My friend bought a crappy Ford falcon and it's driven over 500,000km lol.
@@caleb8285 you're crazy if you think the average person wont drive a car more than 8 years old. Heck even if a used Tesla is only 5 years old you have to fear only 3 years left before possible battery replacement.
Buying a couple of years old hybrid will knock off 30 to 40% from MSRP and still save ton of money. I have just purchased 2018 Hyundai Ioniq SEL with 12k miles on for $16.5k plus TTL which gets me anywhere 52 to 58MPG avg. Original MSRP.was 26k with an option and I saved $10k with all factory warranty still remaining. I would like to purchase a model 3 but I cannot stop 4 times or more when I travel over 700 miles long distance trip 3 to 4 time a month. Then hybrid is more fitted to my need and save $$$$$ Local long drive each day like sales person or delivery is more suitable with EV cars. Happy with less then 300 bucks payment. I guess it all comes down to what is budget and willing to spend. On top of that Tesla's low profile rubber band(I call it) is too expensive to buy every so often. So all the gas money you saved goes to the low profile tire which does not last as normal 65 series 60k miles warranty tires do. Friend of mine has a model S with dual motor, he decided to get smaller set of wheels like 18 from 19 or 20 since he had to buy tires every 10 to 15k miles. 😂 (yes it is super fast and super fast to replace the tires)
its a funny time especially in the uk where fuel is expensive. you would be better off spending ALOT more on an ev, maybe even triple if you plan on doing 100,000 miles in it
@@quackcement well the electric car is fine I guess I'm not too wild about it being electronic and all those nice little payments that you have to make monthly and the possibility of your Social credit score being nuked forbade speak just like Twitter only on 4 Wheels and you need to use it but you can't
@@Servetus54 i was thinking more on the line of company car buyers. that said if it takes 25 years to do 100,000 miles its more cost effective to get something for a few grand plus think of the returns you could get investing that money. however if you did 100,000 miles in one year, buy, buy ,buy electric
Thanks for the info. Great video ! Let me know when production quality gets close to Toyota and ill buy that Model 3 or a Model Y . But it is not and waiting 3-5 weeks to get problems taken care from the factory unacceptable. Their infrastructure is just not there yet. I am hoping it will be because i would love to own.
I'll be all in on electric vehicles when Toyota comes out with one. Sorry I trust Toyotas more than Teslas. From what I read Teslas has a lot quality issues.
@Simon You read wrong...Tesla Model 3's are bulletproof and gorgeous. Maybe you think the early "teething" problems when the models were first released never got ironed out. They did, long ago. Tesla leads the world in EV's and EV tech (software, chips, batteries etc). You'll be waiting a long time if you wait for Toyota to catch up.
@@johncahill3644 bulletproof?!! You probably haven't heard of rich rebuilds. Tesla reliability rides on their amazing warranty. Once warranty is done, even wear parts are expensive to fix/replace, and you can't buy them elsewhere but Tesla.
@@johncahill3644 bulletproof lmao, the car has been available for less than 5 years, more like 2-3 years in most markets, hardly enough time for testing.
@Cleanerwatt: you should check the prices of ACU or door handles. Stuff that breaks in Tesla and costs an arm and leg. Check the price of breaks in Tesla. It's a senseless comparison that does not include hefty bills you're going to get with Tesla.
The fair comparison in TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) would be between Corolla and model 3 AND for about 15 years (when the electric battery would be dead) - for 10 years (so without the cost to replace the electric battery) Tesla is #1 and Toyota #2 in TCO. Then, for the 15 years analysis Toyota would become #1 and Tesla will be falling a lot (because of the huge cost to replace its electric battery, for sure higher than the resale value), moving below Porsche (that has a huge TCO, despite its #8 ranking in reliability). And then nobody would buy the dangerous, polluting, unreliable, impractical and huge TCO Tesla clunkers (even if they are the 'best' BEV in reliability - barely making to #17 - while Toyota is #2 and Lexus #1). Lexus is by far the best brand (#1 in reliability and #3 in low TCO), opposite to German, Korean, Chinese, Indian junk and also far above the BEV clunkers, thus this video is not useful.
Something else concerning TCO.....currently in the greater Seattle area a 2020 Tesla Model 3 with around 65k-85k miles are selling for $18k-$21k. 2020 Lexus ES 300h with similar miles are selling for $29k base up to $35k ultra luxury.
you forgot the opportunity cost of charging time (40 minutes per full charge?). fit and finish of tesla not anywhere close a real luxury car let alone a lexus. i think you should do a ownership cost of tesla vs chevy malibu which would be a fair comparison i also don't see the point of wasting time to get two cars priced very close to each other since u are doing cost per mile comparison
Also add the charging installation at home and the fact that you have to be a home owner and have to purchase a home before you fully take advantage of an electric car because we do not have sufficient access to fast charging stations. It should be a case by case situation. You may offer a revised version of your comparison because if there is no convenient way to recharge the automobile then it will only be use for as far as the first charge goes.
A poorly built electric toy designed to be obsolete as quickly as possible vs a true luxury car designed to last a long, long time. This is a true no-brainer.
The research you do for videos is incredible …bias..Lexus ES300H is a full size luxury car versus Tesla Model 3 is Standard size…so it is like comparing an Orange and Apple…
Thank you, interesting comparison. It seems the conclusion is in favor of Tesla, but there are many things that were not said. I agree with most of the audients. Lexus is a well established company that delivers high quality to their products. Tesla is still far away to reach such a quality. Furthermore, Lexus wins the autonomy race over Tesla. Gas stations outnumber electric stations, and also gasoline is charged much faster than electric charge is. The future will be electric cars, no doubt. However, today 2021, hybrid cars seem to be the kings. Greetings from Mexico.
1. Model 3 shouldn't be considered luxury. Thus, comparing the 3 with entry-level luxury ES 300 seems a bit off. Model 3 versus a Camry seems to be a fairer comparison. 2. True cost of owning both the Model 3 and ES 300: opportunity cost. $38k buying a Model 3 is a worse decision compared to, again, buying a $23k Camry and put $15k into the stock market (maybe Tesla stock if you love Tesla so much) or combine with your saving to down payment a house... Both cases yield better results financially rather than solely considering cost of ownership. 3. Owning a Tesla is not really about personal cost saving. Are you a risk taker? Innovator? Do you want to make a change to the world/ the car industry/ yourself? Do you feel the need to save the environment? Tesla owners will answer yes to the majority of the questions above.
Thought it gonna be a clear win for Tesla since you are wearing Cybertrunk t- shirt. But it turns out a pretty reasonable comparison. For the insurance part, I believe M3 will be more expensive than ES300h on average.
You do not count the cost of worrisome about driving in the far distance and wasting time to wait for your battery fully charged during the transitional time from fuel to full electric has just beginned, battery if is dead means Tesla is dead too, not worry much in the ES 300h and still save the fuel is the best choice, at the end Tesla must feed their batteries by the small engine on the go, I think it is comparable.
It's an interesting comparison, but the Tesla Model S is more similar to the Lexus ES. I suspect the numbers would look differently if you compared those two cars together. It doesn't seem that your depreciation figures of $15,676 for the Tesla and $26,779 for the Lexus ES 300h match the 5-year actual depreciation. A 10-year-old ES 300h still brings around 22,000 with 75k miles. I haven't actually shopped for Teslas since I drove the different models. A range of ~ 600 miles for the Lexus versus ~ 230 for the Tesla model is another consideration. I don't want to spend the next 5 years with range anxiety.
Dude can bite my wiener if he thinks a 5 year old Lexus IS going to be only $15,000. Maybe trashed, wrecked, rebuilt or with a branded title. A retail ready, clean titled Lexus might lose 40% off MSRP after five years.
One indirect cost for electric cars which is not accounted for here is the time you spend to charge the car each time.. Taking the average 1000 miles of driving each month, it will take a typical Tesla 4 full 1.5 hr charges or 10 smaller 30 min ones to charge the car. That's about 5 man hours/month of waiting each charge vs 3 times @ 5 mins (15 mins) for a gas car. Depending on what your time is worth, it adds to the cost of owning the electric car over time.
For daily commute, most people charge at home overnight, or at work. Charge time is really only an issue for long distance travel when you need to charge during a trip. For daily commute, you actually save time not having to go to the gas station and start every day with a full charge. Some people call this "reverse range anxiety"
@@RonJRHan For electric car, the time you plug in and plug out and pay. Say that is 1 minute. You do that everyday be it at home or work. Say 7 days therefore 7 times. That is about 7 minutes. You fuel your ICE car once a week. It takes up to 5 minutes to fully fuel the car up + 3 minutes to go into the cashier and tap and pay. Total 8 minutes. The time is basically the same for both cars. To the point that it is negligible and that when you say you save more time instead of being at the petrol station is a myth. I know because we have a company electric car vs my suzuki swift and I calculated the overhead time charging these two cars. It's basically the same. So yeah. Totally agree with you.
@@muffdriver69 glad you agree in general but I still think charging at home saves time. 1 minute (honestly, more like 10 seconds to plugin and 10 seconds to unplug) each day spread out, after getting home, not trying to get to a destination, is more negligible than 5 minute at petro station when you are at the risk of being late to that next meeting. In theory you would try get gas on the way home or when you are not under time pressure, but you might forget. And you are assuming that you don't need to make a detour to stop by a gas station. If you do then it will easily exceed 5 minutes, e.g. if any left turn at a busy intersection/road is involved (in a right hand driving country). And if I make a special trip from home just to get gas (e.g. I heard that gas price has just lowered tonight), the whole trip is probably 15 minutes minimum to the closest gas station in the neighborhood, and I think I'm being generous.
@@RonJRHan That would be true only if you got a garage to stick your EV car in. I park my car outside on the road. So stretching a charging cable all the way to the outside isn't 10 seconds. Plus where I live, my druggy neighborhood ain't gonna leave the cable in one piece. Fact that it is also a trip hazard. All that being said, it doesn't take 10 seconds, let alone charge at the super charger. Like I said, we use a company EV car. So my practical experience charging these things isn't the nimble 10 seconds you speak of. Furthermore, at times the car isn't fully charged due to use by other members, so we have to supercharge it. It will be a times you will get one of those moments when it isn't enough for the trips we take. So charging the car will take at least 30 minutes on our trip. So it isn't all pleasant to wait, when a meeting is scheduled (that is equivalent to fueling up conventionally 6 times and over). Haven't even mentioned installing the outlet at home for faster charging, assuming I have a garage. From my experience, it summed up to be the same. Don't know where you live, but our petrol station isn't always packed. Besides, we use a special app that allows to lock-in for the week for special fuel discounts, so we don't have to scram to get cheap fuel that night. All in all, and day in day out, not a huge time saver to be honest.
That's a nice calculation. But I think model 3 is no longer compete with lexus es. I think best match will be for model s and it is way different pricing.
Where Lexus wins are comfort, style, luxury and long term (10+ years not miles driven) reliability. I test drove a model 3 demo and even though I really appreciated the newer feel, it just couldn't compare to a much older ES I test drove as well.
It is not apple to apple comparison. Lexus ES is luxury mid size sedan. Its reliability is top ranked. Tesla model 3 is a compact car. You will spend more time at the dealership service department than on the road. You have to decide if it worth to spend $12,777 in 5 years to have the "exceptional" ownership of Tesla.
I don't see how these two cars compare.. Lexus is in a different league on quality alone and never understood how Tesla was ever placed the the "Luxury" category. Tesla compares more to that of late 90's early 2000's Chevy products. You're also off on your assessment for the brake pads/ fluid on the Lexus. There are plenty of Toyota hybrids with 200+ thousand miles on the original pads.
And, tires on my Tesla lasted 15k miles and were 2k. For my Prius, tires last over 80k and are $600. Brakes at 250k. I would imagine similar for the ES300h. Oh, and no control arm failure. Same insurance?!? Oh boy.
First of all, a utilitarian Tesla CANNOT be compared to a Lexus of that size and luxury. And what about the expense of changing the complete battery set on an electric car that nobody talks about and after 8/10 years will cost you easily $15,000 to $20,000? And what about the bills to pay every malfunction/failure that all electric cars are much more prone to suffer vs thermal (e.g. petrol/diesel) engines? And what about the REAL residual value of an electric car after 10 years, especially if you haven't spent ($15,000 to $20,000) on replacing the exhausted complete battery set? Thermal engines are MUCH LONGER long-lived than any electric motor (if you look after them they can last a lifetime!) and, without a doubt, MUCH MORE economical to buy AND maintain, as well as MUCH LESS prone to breakage. Electric cars are NOT interesting (especially this prone-to-break UTILITARIAN Tesla). Not only because of all the mentioned above, but also because of many other reasons (lack of charging points, recharge time, autonomy, general reliability especially in very cold or hot weather, repair costs, repair technology and software specific to each brand and not for any independent workshop, etc.) Please, don't sell us smoke. Thank you!
lexus is a better car and tesla prices went up by a lot on 2021. I do my Lexus maintenance at the Toyota dealer for cheaper... Your depreciation on lexus is not accurate.
Not factored is the repair cost time estimate. Lexus has a documented history of quality vs the repeated issues many Tesla owners report with fit and finish, software bugs etc. Factor in the time loss to fixing those issues and that $100 a month difference will surely decrease.
I've noticed that short and very short distances really increase the hybrids consumption since it runs the gas engine most of the time. A Model Y vs Kia Niro would be perfect comparison imo.
@@codmott286 very short distances, lets say under 5 Km most hybrids run the ICE to get oils and other fluids running and in working temperature. I had noticed this behavior running errands and on the first lockdown it got even worse. I had a Niro and a Corolla and both had very high consumption (12Km/lt). The ideal distance for hybrids is over 20km on low speed roads (limit 70km/h) were the motor and the engine balance each other.
@@Takhis i also own a niro and the engine only runs for about 10 seconds after startup. The car stays on EV as much as possible depending upon acceleration demand and top speed. I avg 50mpg both in the city on highway distance driving.
@@codmott286 that avg sounds about right. However try to see your consumption doing very short distances (under 5 miles) it should be around 35 mpg. In highway at 80 mph your consumption should be about 42mph The Niro is excellent for travels where you can keep an avg speed of 45mph, i managed to avg even 55mpg when I worked 25 miles away from home and didn't use highway very often
U forgot Lexus only take 5 mins to fill up gas Tesla take 30 mins minimum to charge time consuming to charge battery times by 5 years do u match is it worth it
1. in Germany every Model 3 version is eligible for reduced value added tax till December 2020 and increased government rebates so a basic 44.970 Euro SR+ right now only costs 36.881€ 2. technically no electric car is emission free as in 4 years each tire loses ~1.5 kilos or 3.3 pounds of material as microplastic particles, including environmental toxins like zinc, lead, cadmium and plasticizers 3. your new background is so much easier on the eyes and puts you in a much better light
I'm currently living on Vienna and I'm planning to buy a M3 Performance, but here its 64k - 1.8k - 1.5k (due two small incentives). I've read a bit on to those incentives Germany is now giving, how much will it really cost to buy it there and then move it to Austria? Do you think its worth it? Thanks in advance :)
Yeah, a Lexus ES300h is WAAAY above a model 3. A better comparison would be to compare the Tesla to a Camry or possibly Corolla. A few other things not accounted for in regards to the Tesla. I've heard tires wear out quicker due to the heavy weight. So in 75K, there might have been a second set of tires required. Also, although hard to put a price on, what about the time spent twiddling your thumbs on road trips while you sit waiting for a charger, then charging the vehicle. I have a 2012 Camry Hybrid that I bought with 45K and now has 251K. As others have stated, Toyotas/Lexi just tend to wear out tires and wiper blades with minimal parts breakage. I do my own oil changes every 5K miles. I also change the plugs myself every 100K. Other than that, my Camry Hybrid just fires up and runs, all the while returning 35-37 mpg. I love that car. It will actually be replaced by an ES300h in about a year when I retire. I'm planning on keeping the Lexus 10-15 years.
Your videos are not actually a comparison between the two vehicles It's rather a statement as how good your favourite car which eventually is a T***a is period . Not all of us need the facilities in a Tesla how about comparing it to a basic Volkswagen golf or Honda City or a basic Toyota etc
I'm sure this has already been asked but in your cost comparison why did the Lexus have a tire cost and brake pad comparison that isn't equal? The cost should be considered equal assuming similar driving conditions regardless of gas/EV. And honestly, if you only considered the "facts" you presented the gas powered maintenance would actually be cheaper.
A very bias review. Why compare a compare a model 3 to an ES. The model 3 would be better off being compare to an IS. A model S would better off compared to the ES. The model 3 is a good car, it’s build quality is questionable at times and Tesla has seemed to address this recently. The built quality of a Lexus well, is probably the best out there. What about the potential repairs, a replacement battery in a Tesla is silly money.
I want to start by saying I really like Tesla and Elon. With that said the maintenance cost of $1000 for the model 3 sounds to low! You can’t tell me in 5 years that the 15inch screen is still going to be functional after all everything runs thru it! Add in those cheap door handles and those fancy rims when you hit a pot hole! Nope, not buying that it will be that low for repairs, sorry!
Interesting to look at this in 2024. If you look at 2019 the depreciations were actually quite opposite. The tesla depreciated much much more. Lexes is work close to 8k more than the Tesla if looking now.
Boy this video didn't age well. He said a Model 3 depreciates 40% when the relatity it's closer to 60%. Remember when Hertz unloaded like 20 thousand model 3s? Some people were getting 3 year old ones for 15k! Another thing, I don't think anyone who is looking for a luxury smooth-riding vehicle (like what an ES delivers) would consider a Model 3. I have an ES and have driven a Model 3 several times, and the Model 3 is like I'm in a Jeep going off-road, comparatively speaking.
With all that said, I still can’t drive the Tesla from Houston to Dallas to visit my grandkids. Where am I going to charge it and how long is that going to take. I see that Bucces is implementing some charging stations along I-45 but there was only 8.
This is such a bad comparison. The ES is is a luxury car the the Model 3 is not. Seriously do your research to see which cars should be compared with each other.
Lexus front pads would be around 90k miles and rear would be around 110k to 120k for first time, coolant flush on mine, well it's still that strong colour pink and 257000miles later is still unchanged at dealership, my brothers garage had a guy come in with a model s, he had bought it a month or 2 previous and car was all good, 38000 euro and then the battery crapped itself and tesla wanted 18000euro to replace it, remember when you buy an electric car you are buying from the manufacturer through the dealership, when you come back to trade you are trading with the dealer not the manufacturer, sales don't want time bombs which put them on the hook for reviving g a car that now is scrap value, that's the bones of it, on the other hand companies mostly can and will take the hit and move on
I own a Tesla (MYP). Who knows how long it will last past 120k? Then you are looking at 20k for a battery. My Prius Prime has 350k miles. Three Teslas might equal the mileage on the ES300h over its lifetime. I'm buying an ES300h as my next daily instead of risking the battery failure on a M3 Tesla. Better value? The Toyota all day long. I love my Tesla, but not to save me money. Depreciation? In '22, My MYP was 75k. A '23 with 14k mileage is 35k.
Lexus beats tesla any day. 3 years ago, I bought a used 2018 lexus 300h with 21k miles for $20k. Killer deal. Its now 62k miles. In 3 years it was about $900 in maintenance. Lexus ride is better, more luxury with better quality interior. It's still worth more than $20k. I dont have to wait by the charger when im traveling far.
For an extra $100 per month you get comfort, free detailing twice a month for 3 years, free airport valet, loan car during servicing, invites to annual events, I'd prefer a Lexus hands down.
Doesnt make sense at all !! Es300 way luxuries and bigger car then model 3. Everyone thinks that Tesla engine and battery will last a million mile but what about body and other parts ? How much will cost battery replacement ? Lexus will be on the road next 20 years for sure but Tesla is ? Hybrid Toyota or Lexus is much smarter decision then Tesla
a few flaws in this analysis. 1) insurance costs are higher for teslas than hybrid/IC due to limitations on repair centers 2) the life and replacement cost for tesla batteries is much higher than the hybrid battery pack, especially for the model 3. even if not occurring in the first 5years, the backend life depreciation on teslas is going to accelerate as knowledge of the ev battery replacement cost on older vehicles is better understood. 4) Tesla is still aiming to drive costs down for the ev which means there will come a day in the next few years when a new model 3 cost $30k or even $25k. That could mean a new tesla will be better value, but that value innovation is going to drive down the resale price of 5yr+ used teslas. Bottom line: if you want ev now, go get one. but it is too early to expect to “save” money vs a hybrid. also, some would say the model 3 comparator is a camry or avalon hybrid xle, not a lexus.
oh, and the tire wear on the much heavier model 3 is faster than the hybrid vehicle. this is a real cost difference. 5yr depreciation isnt something magical. It is a reflection of the full knowledge/expectation the market has for the full life cycle costs of the vehicle. why are 200k mile 10+ yr toyotas commanding $10k+ used car prices?
2028-2030 Will likely be the horizon where a new tesla could be expected to trump a hybrid in total cost of ownership. That assumes that electricity prices dont’rise as fast as/faster than gasoline.
Does the Tesla have no Brakes??? 🤔🤑🤑🤑 And maybe it should be mentioned that the batteries after 5 Years will do not have that range anymore and the possible range drops extreme in cold conditions what does not have that big influence on the Lex 😉But anyway 👉 Thx 4 u'r work
@@jmatt98 I work at the lexus Factory in Canada. And it uses 100% of renevable energy. Like you said regenerative braking and it is not charging from the wall.
Your analysis is not accurate , model 3 after 50k mile warranty breaks and costs a lot for repairs, also hybrid break pads lasts over 100k miles, Tesla model3 insurance is as high as 400 per month, I also think depreciation on a Lexus is not as high as 61%.also you did not mention that any individual shops or diy maintenance can be done on Lexus, not the same can be said for model3, for long trips lexus can go anywhere no problems, but for long trips without long breaks tesla won’t work, some people use a second car for long drives, when you consider these factors model3 costs more than a Lexus, don’t forget the crap build quality of Tesla’s.
Yeah, but how often You need to charge a tesla? and how many available well spaced charging stations are there ready to be used? and Are you the only one charging your tesla? NOOOO !!! Time is valuable... for me!!! Waiting 2 hours to charge my car? means a loss of earnings and and, twice I know people who owns teslas had to call a charger truck to charge their cars so in the mean time,,, they got stuck who knows where without power to run... but Ok, I am not all that hard headed... Electric vehicles are the future and if there is a car with long enough range power? then, that is totally the best choice... !
I have done a lot of research and spoke with friends that have teslas..... they tell me that teslas eat tires. They are buying new tires every 7 to 9 months. Their cars are so heavy, torque is so strong, and they have to buy good tires so that they have grip. And the say a set is costing them $1,100. They complain of poor quality control and fit n finish. And dificulty to have service because there are no service dealerships they can go to. And $37k for a model 3. Last time I tried to buy I was quoted $63,000 and was told an 18mnth wait for delivery. The nail on the coffin for tesla was they have an average reliability rating of 2.5 of 5..... sorry but thats ford chevy territory - no thank you.....
I thought this would be a great video, but was already thoroughly disappointed after 3 minutes. First of all, it seems like you are very focused on tech over actual build quality. You're dead set on adding the package with BSM and RCTA, because the Tesla has that. At the same time there is no mention of the ES' interior being much nicer, there being a lot more legroom in the rear, every interior panel having nicer materials on them, there not being massive panel gaps on the outside, and so on. There is definitely a point to be made for a Tesla, but that doesn't necessitate a dishonest comparison. As others have said, you could have at least compared it to either a Camry or a Corolla (side note: my mom's Corolla has BSM, RCTA, heated steering wheel / seat heating / wireless phone charger etc, so in your theory that's the same car.
What a silly premise. A model 3 is nowhere near the luxury and quality of an ES. The model 3 is closer to a Fiat Punto than the ES, yet it costs just slightly less than the ES. The obvious smart pick here is the ES because you get a lot more value for your money.
Yeah except the Punto will last 25 years and do 500k km no problem and you can fix everything cheaply yourself with a hammer and duck-tape.
@xmaniac99 Same for the Lexus only the parts are gonna cost more because we get what we pay for. These comparisons are all apples and oranges.
@@MuscleBandit Lexus parts are Toyota parts. I am no FIAT expert but Toyota maintenance is significantly cheaper than for instance VAG.
Why are all such videos posted by unemployed or retired people? For others time wasted while charging also costs money.
Dude stop comparing different categories of cars against each other! The ES is business executive car & a mid size sedan, a model 3 is a compact non executive car!! A correct comparison would a Model S to the ES or Model 3 to the IS. Model 3s to 3 Series not 5 Series and so on! You need to be fair!
You're weird bruh
@@ghostmane2643 But he's right???
This is like comparing a Ford Expedition to a Cadillac Escalade
That Lexus gon run a 5-600k miles with no problem
Same w the tesla haha... well at least when the million mile battery upgrades drop in mid 2020s
@quasarsavage .. but the body and seats will fall apart at 50k .. Tesla has a way to go.. the fit and finish is horrible vs the price
Yeah sure, thats why the roads are filled with 600k Lexus'. You fanboys are really something.
@@seandavis2520 Wonder how those millions of Tesla drivers do without body or seats... Tesla barely started 10 years ago in the premium market and has kicked Lexus' to the fuckin curve. By the time the EV revolution is over Tesla might end up being the nr1 manufacturer in the world, sporting quite a privileged spot in the automotive history, while Lexus' with luck will continue to be the pretending premium brand for posers and rich wannabes that cant afford to buy or mantain proper premium cars.
@quasarsavage It's 2024 and still no million mile Tesla batteries😂
After the warranty is over, good luck with your Tesla, repair are ludicrously high, because they break.
I agree. I work at Lexus dealership and we give a 10+ warrianty on batteries for free. (Only hybrid models)
He is lying about insurance.
I called my insurance company and they wanted $4000 per year to insure Tesla.
Don’t worry, repairs for Lexus, specifically paying for insurance, are also high just because of how coveted they are.
I leased a 2020 Lexus ES 300h after test driving all Tesla’s models. I really wanted to go with a EV this time. However after my extensive research it was not to be. I live in South Florida. My closest Tesla dealer is 60 miles away. My local Lexus dealer is only 6 miles away. Lexus incentive was 0% interest on my 3 yr lease or purchase. I also got the $1000 military rebate which Tesla didn’t offer plus a another $1000 rebate as a repeat customer. And to top all this off I negotiated where my Lexus dealer paid for my fuel use for 30K miles which my lease was for. There’s no incentive for buying a Tesla in Florida. My Lexus dealership offers free car washes and the best complementary snack bar for their customers on the East Coast of S. Florida. In my personal opinion, the model 3 drives no where as luxurious as the Lexus ES 300h. The model 3 is very fast however rather noisy. It’s interior material (called vegan leather) is nothing more than vinyl. Tesla’s quality, finishes at the bottom for reliability. Don’t get to where you ever need body work on a Tesla, it could take months for those parts here in the US. I do appreciate Tesla’s attempts at technology though.
Perhaps in another 2 years I’ll take another look at Tesla again.
Lexus incentive was 0% interest!! wtf
Bro, you can say anything you want about Tesla's quality but drive quality, especially when compared to a frikin mcpherson strutted fwd like that shitty ES, is fuckin sublime. The laggy, sluggish and noisy powertrains in that Lexus feel like the bronze age next to any electric powertrain.
@@AI-qd4vb another Tesla fan-boy that never experienced luxury. Looks like Elon Musk even agrees, dropping the prices of his Teslas by tens of thousands of dollars. Guess you got caught holding the bag on your deprecated 4 wheel iPad.
@@cptdenny007well said. All very true.
Well it’s now 2 years later from my original post. My 3 year Lexus lease expired 2 weeks ago. With only 16K miles on the clock I decided to purchase my end of lease Lexus ES 300h. I did take another look at Tesla like I said I would and even though Tesla prices have significantly fallen, I decided against Tesla at this time. I don’t drive cars much, my choice of transportation is my 2015 Harley Road Glide CVO with 140K miles on the clock. Even though my Harley gets about 10 mpg less than my Lexus, it’s still my preferred ride.
Lexus IS truly a luxury car. The details that they put into their car. No where is Tesla close. But Tesla is new and pride with high tech. They are two different animals. I drove my Lexus to the ground. All I had to do was change its engine oil, brakes , filters , wipers , tires. All DIY but tires. There won’t be anything DIY for Tesla. My brother just got a model 3 and their paint job is a joke. Lol . I will consider a model Y sometimes in the future. Great video though!!!
Tesla is like a high tech toy car ( it is not luxury). Lexus has better services and it is luxury focused factory.
…and the Tesla is UGLY!
@@NoOne-im3csit is basically a luxury car because of its comfort
@kexia It’s actually the Lexus ES
Luxury my ass. Its frikin filled with hard plastics, fake wood trim, fake leather and a joke of an infotainment... Funny you speak about the paint job on the Tesla. You think your water based paint on the Lexus is better? Orange peel galore.
The ES is a fancy Camry. Nothing else. Drives like shit, doesnt keep up in the luxury department with any real premium competitor other than maybe those silly Acura. Heck, its been tested it cant even keep up in the noise department with sporty germans like the BMW who dont even put that much effort on the "luxury" aspects of their cars.
I work at the lexus dealership. Our cars last more than 20 years. We have a tesla dealership next to us and their service is preety busy. As you said you pay a little more on the car but how all of our cars are delivered out of dealership Tesla just can imagine. Those are 2 different kinds of cars a luxury car and a electric car. But in 2021 we will introduce a electric UX . ( jou can watch how our cars are manufactured vs teslas)
That was a decent analysis. Not all the items are apples to apples though. The ES is a nicer car than the Tesla. Fit and finish, overall build quality, ride comfort and road noise are all considerably better in the ES. The two are really different classes of cars. Tires wear out faster on Tesla's due to weight. Parts and repairs are MUCH more expensive on a Tesla. Not to mention that even a decent intermediate DIY mechanic generally can't work on them.
I like Tesla. Eventually I think I'll own one. But a hybrid, especially a Toyota brand hybrid, has significant advantages over a Tesla as it currently stands. I suspect that may change in the future.
This video did not point out the main differences: Tesla - blazing fast. Lexus - very comfortable ride. And probably the most important - in a hybrid you don't have to go along with the hassle of finding working charging stations and wasting hundreds of hours of your life waiting. You may have to pay a few more $ in running cost, but you don't waste your most valuable asset in life - time! And reliability is another thing - Tesla still have to prove themselves, Lexus have build their reputation for over 30 years and are synonymous for Reliability.
I love relaxing and charging I get more stuff done actually my Tesla is like my office and even when I get home I’ll still sit in my car and watch movies TH-cam on the Tesla screen so it’s about perspective here
Come on this is on paper, but in reality lexus have more advantages like its luxury and reliable, one tank will give 600 mile journey and you only need 3 minutes to full a pay comparing to 250 mile in 15 minutes and don't forget the beautiful design of lexus, keep in mind driving lexus is an experience it self any way it worth it
According to my research it takes 30 minutes to fully charge a Tesla IF you find a fast charger.
What about the cost to install a charging station?
And the cost of food and drink at the services where you spend a lot of time waiting for the car to charge? 🤔
You should buy a 5 year old ES300h for 15k. Keep it for 5 years.
That’s the way to save money. Spending less much less.
So let me get this straight, you add safety features to the Lexus to make similar features but you don’t compare the model 3 long range to try to make the range closer? This may be the most bias video I’ve seen in a while
There is no way you would need to replace the brakes on a ES Hybrid in 75000 miles. $1200 in repairs for one of the most reliable cars is a stretch to say the least. No where did he talk about the cost of installing a level two charge at home either. The model three can’t compare with the IS let alone a ES.
My 2019 ES with 178k km has original brakes still
But the Lexus ES is SO MUCH BETTER than a Tesla!!! The seats are WAY MORE comfortable and you have a MUCH MUCH BETTER LOOKING interior with the Lexus!!!
I Do Not like how Tesla Model 3 has a big screen in the middle but not provide a driver dashboard to show common things like speed! I would DEFINITELY feel cheated in a Tesla!!! No thanks!!!
And the most important point is to full lexus you need 3 minutes to get 600 miles journey while you need at least 15 minutes if not more to get 250 mile in tesla
@@goldsmithbadr9404 besides teslas are FUCKING TABLETS ON WHEELS
You have a clear speaking voice which makes listening that much easier!!
Thank you!
This aged like milk.
Forgot to mention that EV tires are generally much more expensive than standard car tires and wear put much faster. So not only are you paying more per replacement tire, you do it more often. This can also drive up costs.
Lexus engines will never die while the EV battery will most likely lose capacity over the course of 5 years, costing you precious range and more in charging. Not to mention that eventually you will have to replace the battery, which can cost anywhere from 12,000 to 20,000 dollars (If you replace all packs)
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Any more other nonsense youd like to spew? Most Lexus' with more than 200k miles are toast. An engine wear can not be stopped no matter how much you will for it. An EV barely loses any capacity over 5 years also. Most brands offer you 10 year of battery warantee too. Check your facts next time.
The typicall purchase price of a tesla is not 39k. Your model 3 will not be deliverd if you do not spec it up to more than 55k.
yeah i dont know where this guy got his pricing unless he was duped by the Tesla website that uses gas/gov't incentives to artificially lower the price. A model 3 is 50k+ on average. Factor in subpar craftsmanship, unproven longterm battery life and lack of range/fueling infrastructure and the Lexus is the clear winner.
The reality is , no one will spend 10k replacing faulty batteries on a used tesla worth 10k . I believe this will destroy the used car market that will be flooded with pre owned teslas , that no one will buy. People have to acept the biggest expense to cars is depreciation , not fuel costs.
Tesla has an 8 year factory warranty. Nothing comes near to its 8 yr. asking someone why they wouldn’t want to keep a Tesla for more than 8 years is like asking someone why they wouldn’t wanna keep and use an 8 year old iPhone. They are designed to upgrade not remain until dust. It’s an electronic. I love both Lexus and Tesla. They are both kings for a reason.
@@caleb8285 What are you talking about? I am driving my Lexus for 17 years and still strong. It's driven over 470,000km. My friend bought a crappy Ford falcon and it's driven over 500,000km lol.
@@caleb8285 you're crazy if you think the average person wont drive a car more than 8 years old. Heck even if a used Tesla is only 5 years old you have to fear only 3 years left before possible battery replacement.
The 300h coolant is 100k coolant. Not changed at 50k
Buy used cars, will save most money.
Buying a couple of years old hybrid will knock off 30 to 40% from MSRP and still save ton of money.
I have just purchased 2018 Hyundai Ioniq SEL with 12k miles on for $16.5k plus TTL which gets me anywhere 52 to 58MPG avg. Original MSRP.was 26k with an option and I saved $10k with all factory warranty still remaining.
I would like to purchase a model 3 but I cannot stop 4 times or more when I travel over 700 miles long distance trip 3 to 4 time a month.
Then hybrid is more fitted to my need and save $$$$$
Local long drive each day like sales person or delivery is more suitable with EV cars.
Happy with less then 300 bucks payment.
I guess it all comes down to what is budget and willing to spend.
On top of that Tesla's low profile rubber band(I call it) is too expensive to buy every so often.
So all the gas money you saved goes to the low profile tire which does not last as normal 65 series 60k miles warranty tires do.
Friend of mine has a model S with dual motor, he decided to get smaller set of wheels like 18 from 19 or 20 since he had to buy tires every 10 to 15k miles. 😂 (yes it is super fast and super fast to replace the tires)
Used 2019 model 3, $2k less than a 2020 model 3. Savings failed.
its a funny time especially in the uk where fuel is expensive. you would be better off spending ALOT more on an ev, maybe even triple if you plan on doing 100,000 miles in it
@@quackcement well the electric car is fine I guess I'm not too wild about it being electronic and all those nice little payments that you have to make monthly and the possibility of your Social credit score being nuked forbade speak just like Twitter only on 4 Wheels and you need to use it but you can't
@@Servetus54 i was thinking more on the line of company car buyers. that said if it takes 25 years to do 100,000 miles its more cost effective to get something for a few grand plus think of the returns you could get investing that money. however if you did 100,000 miles in one year, buy, buy ,buy electric
wait for at least 4 years to see the build quality of the Tesla is or whats left of it
Thanks for the info. Great video !
Let me know when production quality gets close to Toyota and ill buy that Model 3 or a Model Y . But it is not and waiting 3-5 weeks to get problems taken care from the factory unacceptable. Their infrastructure is just not there yet. I am hoping it will be because i would love to own.
I'll be all in on electric vehicles when Toyota comes out with one.
Sorry I trust Toyotas more than Teslas.
From what I read Teslas has a lot quality issues.
@Simon You read wrong...Tesla Model 3's are bulletproof and gorgeous. Maybe you think the early "teething" problems when the models were first released never got ironed out. They did, long ago. Tesla leads the world in EV's and EV tech (software, chips, batteries etc). You'll be waiting a long time if you wait for Toyota to catch up.
@@johncahill3644 bulletproof?!! You probably haven't heard of rich rebuilds. Tesla reliability rides on their amazing warranty. Once warranty is done, even wear parts are expensive to fix/replace, and you can't buy them elsewhere but Tesla.
Lol Toyota has one😂
@@johncahill3644 bulletproof lmao, the car has been available for less than 5 years, more like 2-3 years in most markets, hardly enough time for testing.
Ther is one it's the bZ4X
@Cleanerwatt: you should check the prices of ACU or door handles. Stuff that breaks in Tesla and costs an arm and leg. Check the price of breaks in Tesla. It's a senseless comparison that does not include hefty bills you're going to get with Tesla.
I don’t agree that the insurance cost is the same. I looked at the price to insure both in Boston and the Tesla was much higher.
The fair comparison in TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) would be between Corolla and model 3 AND for about 15 years (when the electric battery would be dead) - for 10 years (so without the cost to replace the electric battery) Tesla is #1 and Toyota #2 in TCO. Then, for the 15 years analysis Toyota would become #1 and Tesla will be falling a lot (because of the huge cost to replace its electric battery, for sure higher than the resale value), moving below Porsche (that has a huge TCO, despite its #8 ranking in reliability).
And then nobody would buy the dangerous, polluting, unreliable, impractical and huge TCO Tesla clunkers (even if they are the 'best' BEV in reliability - barely making to #17 - while Toyota is #2 and Lexus #1).
Lexus is by far the best brand (#1 in reliability and #3 in low TCO), opposite to German, Korean, Chinese, Indian junk and also far above the BEV clunkers, thus this video is not useful.
Something else concerning TCO.....currently in the greater Seattle area a 2020 Tesla Model 3 with around 65k-85k miles are selling for $18k-$21k. 2020 Lexus ES 300h with similar miles are selling for $29k base up to $35k ultra luxury.
@rcc737 Lexus is the deal, Tesla is the curse.
you forgot the opportunity cost of charging time (40 minutes per full charge?).
fit and finish of tesla not anywhere close a real luxury car let alone a lexus.
i think you should do a ownership cost of tesla vs chevy malibu which would be a fair comparison
i also don't see the point of wasting time to get two cars priced very close to each other since u are doing cost per mile comparison
40 minutes is too long. Time is money.
@@muffdriver69 and that’s if no one’s in front of you waiting on a charge.
Also add the charging installation at home and the fact that you have to be a home owner and have to purchase a home before you fully take advantage of an electric car because we do not have sufficient access to fast charging stations. It should be a case by case situation. You may offer a revised version of your comparison because if there is no convenient way to recharge the automobile then it will only be use for as far as the first charge goes.
Would love to see an update on these, as Tesla jacked up their prices in recent months.
A poorly built electric toy designed to be obsolete as quickly as possible
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a true luxury car designed to last a long, long time.
This is a true no-brainer.
Ohio has a Dis-incentive by adding a $100/year fee to register hybrid cars and $200 year fee for full electric.
Lexus hands down any time of the day period.
Nice video. Hopefully in a year or two you'll be comparing Teslas against Corollas. Then we will know that the electric car age has arrived.
Tesla wins.
How much does it cost to tow Tesla from Canada to California few times a year? Asking for a friend.
The research you do for videos is incredible!
Thank you for noticing the work that goes into these!
Cleanerwatt No problem, I enjoy the effort you put in each video and wish that you grow as a channel!
The research you do for videos is incredible …bias..Lexus ES300H is a full size luxury car versus Tesla Model 3 is Standard size…so it is like comparing an Orange and Apple…
Thank you, interesting comparison. It seems the conclusion is in favor of Tesla, but there are many things that were not said. I agree with most of the audients. Lexus is a well established company that delivers high quality to their products. Tesla is still far away to reach such a quality. Furthermore, Lexus wins the autonomy race over Tesla. Gas stations outnumber electric stations, and also gasoline is charged much faster than electric charge is. The future will be electric cars, no doubt. However, today 2021, hybrid cars seem to be the kings. Greetings from Mexico.
I knew in the beginning that would be "honest" and "objective " compare.... when I saw his shirt ..... definitely tesla fan
The Lexus ES it's Versailles and Tesla it's Ikea!
1. Model 3 shouldn't be considered luxury. Thus, comparing the 3 with entry-level luxury ES 300 seems a bit off. Model 3 versus a Camry seems to be a fairer comparison.
2. True cost of owning both the Model 3 and ES 300: opportunity cost. $38k buying a Model 3 is a worse decision compared to, again, buying a $23k Camry and put $15k into the stock market (maybe Tesla stock if you love Tesla so much) or combine with your saving to down payment a house... Both cases yield better results financially rather than solely considering cost of ownership.
3. Owning a Tesla is not really about personal cost saving. Are you a risk taker? Innovator? Do you want to make a change to the world/ the car industry/ yourself? Do you feel the need to save the environment? Tesla owners will answer yes to the majority of the questions above.
Thought it gonna be a clear win for Tesla since you are wearing Cybertrunk t- shirt. But it turns out a pretty reasonable comparison. For the insurance part, I believe M3 will be more expensive than ES300h on average.
Find me 2015 Lexus es 300h with less than 75k miles for $15k....you wont even find one for less than $25k..
Some of this data is way off.... $100/month for insurance on a Tesla. Lol.
Also doesn’t take into account the nuisance of Tesla reliability.
You do not count the cost of worrisome about driving in the far distance and wasting time to wait for your battery fully charged during the transitional time from fuel to full electric has just beginned, battery if is dead means Tesla is dead too, not worry much in the ES 300h and still save the fuel is the best choice, at the end Tesla must feed their batteries by the small engine on the go, I think it is comparable.
It's an interesting comparison, but the Tesla Model S is more similar to the Lexus ES. I suspect the numbers would look differently if you compared those two cars together. It doesn't seem that your depreciation figures of $15,676 for the Tesla and $26,779 for the Lexus ES 300h match the 5-year actual depreciation. A 10-year-old ES 300h still brings around 22,000 with 75k miles. I haven't actually shopped for Teslas since I drove the different models. A range of ~ 600 miles for the Lexus versus ~ 230 for the Tesla model is another consideration. I don't want to spend the next 5 years with range anxiety.
04:21 can not see brake fluid and brake pads cost of tesla. Did they invent new tech for braking ? if yes Good for tesla.
You’re leaving out the most important matter!
Time spent at the charging station! Time is priceless! Try calculating that!
Dude can bite my wiener if he thinks a 5 year old Lexus IS going to be only $15,000. Maybe trashed, wrecked, rebuilt or with a branded title.
A retail ready, clean titled Lexus might lose 40% off MSRP after five years.
One indirect cost for electric cars which is not accounted for here is the time you spend to charge the car each time..
Taking the average 1000 miles of driving each month, it will take a typical Tesla 4 full 1.5 hr charges or 10 smaller 30 min ones to charge the car. That's about 5 man hours/month of waiting each charge vs 3 times @ 5 mins (15 mins) for a gas car.
Depending on what your time is worth, it adds to the cost of owning the electric car over time.
For daily commute, most people charge at home overnight, or at work. Charge time is really only an issue for long distance travel when you need to charge during a trip. For daily commute, you actually save time not having to go to the gas station and start every day with a full charge. Some people call this "reverse range anxiety"
@@RonJRHan For electric car, the time you plug in and plug out and pay. Say that is 1 minute. You do that everyday be it at home or work. Say 7 days therefore 7 times. That is about 7 minutes. You fuel your ICE car once a week. It takes up to 5 minutes to fully fuel the car up + 3 minutes to go into the cashier and tap and pay. Total 8 minutes. The time is basically the same for both cars. To the point that it is negligible and that when you say you save more time instead of being at the petrol station is a myth. I know because we have a company electric car vs my suzuki swift and I calculated the overhead time charging these two cars. It's basically the same. So yeah. Totally agree with you.
@@muffdriver69 glad you agree in general but I still think charging at home saves time. 1 minute (honestly, more like 10 seconds to plugin and 10 seconds to unplug) each day spread out, after getting home, not trying to get to a destination, is more negligible than 5 minute at petro station when you are at the risk of being late to that next meeting. In theory you would try get gas on the way home or when you are not under time pressure, but you might forget.
And you are assuming that you don't need to make a detour to stop by a gas station. If you do then it will easily exceed 5 minutes, e.g. if any left turn at a busy intersection/road is involved (in a right hand driving country).
And if I make a special trip from home just to get gas (e.g. I heard that gas price has just lowered tonight), the whole trip is probably 15 minutes minimum to the closest gas station in the neighborhood, and I think I'm being generous.
@@RonJRHan That would be true only if you got a garage to stick your EV car in. I park my car outside on the road. So stretching a charging cable all the way to the outside isn't 10 seconds. Plus where I live, my druggy neighborhood ain't gonna leave the cable in one piece. Fact that it is also a trip hazard. All that being said, it doesn't take 10 seconds, let alone charge at the super charger. Like I said, we use a company EV car. So my practical experience charging these things isn't the nimble 10 seconds you speak of. Furthermore, at times the car isn't fully charged due to use by other members, so we have to supercharge it. It will be a times you will get one of those moments when it isn't enough for the trips we take. So charging the car will take at least 30 minutes on our trip. So it isn't all pleasant to wait, when a meeting is scheduled (that is equivalent to fueling up conventionally 6 times and over). Haven't even mentioned installing the outlet at home for faster charging, assuming I have a garage. From my experience, it summed up to be the same. Don't know where you live, but our petrol station isn't always packed. Besides, we use a special app that allows to lock-in for the week for special fuel discounts, so we don't have to scram to get cheap fuel that night. All in all, and day in day out, not a huge time saver to be honest.
That's a nice calculation. But I think model 3 is no longer compete with lexus es. I think best match will be for model s and it is way different pricing.
You need to redo this with toyota camry hybrid
Where Lexus wins are comfort, style, luxury and long term (10+ years not miles driven) reliability. I test drove a model 3 demo and even though I really appreciated the newer feel, it just couldn't compare to a much older ES I test drove as well.
Now, you are really talking to us. Great work. Soon the networks will be calling!
Sweet! Thanks
And if they do! Say no and don’t sell your content... make everything you make YOURS
It is not apple to apple comparison. Lexus ES is luxury mid size sedan. Its reliability is top ranked. Tesla model 3 is a compact car. You will spend more time at the dealership service department than on the road. You have to decide if it worth to spend $12,777 in 5 years to have the "exceptional" ownership of Tesla.
I don't see how these two cars compare.. Lexus is in a different league on quality alone and never understood how Tesla was ever placed the the "Luxury" category. Tesla compares more to that of late 90's early 2000's Chevy products. You're also off on your assessment for the brake pads/ fluid on the Lexus. There are plenty of Toyota hybrids with 200+ thousand miles on the original pads.
And, tires on my Tesla lasted 15k miles and were 2k. For my Prius, tires last over 80k and are $600. Brakes at 250k. I would imagine similar for the ES300h. Oh, and no control arm failure. Same insurance?!? Oh boy.
First of all, a utilitarian Tesla CANNOT be compared to a Lexus of that size and luxury.
And what about the expense of changing the complete battery set on an electric car that nobody talks about and after 8/10 years will cost you easily $15,000 to $20,000?
And what about the bills to pay every malfunction/failure that all electric cars are much more prone to suffer vs thermal (e.g. petrol/diesel) engines?
And what about the REAL residual value of an electric car after 10 years, especially if you haven't spent ($15,000 to $20,000) on replacing the exhausted complete battery set?
Thermal engines are MUCH LONGER long-lived than any electric motor (if you look after them they can last a lifetime!) and, without a doubt, MUCH MORE economical to buy AND maintain, as well as MUCH LESS prone to breakage.
Electric cars are NOT interesting (especially this prone-to-break UTILITARIAN Tesla). Not only because of all the mentioned above, but also because of many other reasons (lack of charging points, recharge time, autonomy, general reliability especially in very cold or hot weather, repair costs, repair technology and software specific to each brand and not for any independent workshop, etc.)
Please, don't sell us smoke.
Thank you!
lexus is a better car and tesla prices went up by a lot on 2021. I do my Lexus maintenance at the Toyota dealer for cheaper... Your depreciation on lexus is not accurate.
Not factored is the repair cost time estimate. Lexus has a documented history of quality vs the repeated issues many Tesla owners report with fit and finish, software bugs etc. Factor in the time loss to fixing those issues and that $100 a month difference will surely decrease.
I've noticed that short and very short distances really increase the hybrids consumption since it runs the gas engine most of the time. A Model Y vs Kia Niro would be perfect comparison imo.
short distance favor hybrids since they spend more time on battery. Long range is where the engine is running almost the entire time
@@codmott286 very short distances, lets say under 5 Km most hybrids run the ICE to get oils and other fluids running and in working temperature. I had noticed this behavior running errands and on the first lockdown it got even worse. I had a Niro and a Corolla and both had very high consumption (12Km/lt).
The ideal distance for hybrids is over 20km on low speed roads (limit 70km/h) were the motor and the engine balance each other.
@@Takhis i also own a niro and the engine only runs for about 10 seconds after startup. The car stays on EV as much as possible depending upon acceleration demand and top speed. I avg 50mpg both in the city on highway distance driving.
@@codmott286 that avg sounds about right. However try to see your consumption doing very short distances (under 5 miles) it should be around 35 mpg.
In highway at 80 mph your consumption should be about 42mph
The Niro is excellent for travels where you can keep an avg speed of 45mph, i managed to avg even 55mpg when I worked 25 miles away from home and didn't use highway very often
U forgot Lexus only take 5 mins to fill up gas Tesla take 30 mins minimum to charge time consuming to charge battery times by 5 years do u match is it worth it
many states now charge an ev tax charge to makeup for the lack of fuel tax when purchasing gasoline
very nice ... thank you .
can you pleas make the same comparation between es300h and mercedes e300e? thanks
1. in Germany every Model 3 version is eligible for reduced value added tax till December 2020 and increased government rebates so a basic 44.970 Euro SR+ right now only costs 36.881€
2. technically no electric car is emission free as in 4 years each tire loses ~1.5 kilos or 3.3 pounds of material as microplastic particles, including environmental toxins like zinc, lead, cadmium and plasticizers
3. your new background is so much easier on the eyes and puts you in a much better light
I'm currently living on Vienna and I'm planning to buy a M3 Performance, but here its 64k - 1.8k - 1.5k (due two small incentives). I've read a bit on to those incentives Germany is now giving, how much will it really cost to buy it there and then move it to Austria? Do you think its worth it? Thanks in advance :)
What about time to fill gas / charge battery?
If you consider overall ownership experience with any similar models Lexus will always be miles ahead of Tesla
Yeah, a Lexus ES300h is WAAAY above a model 3. A better comparison would be to compare the Tesla to a Camry or possibly Corolla. A few other things not accounted for in regards to the Tesla. I've heard tires wear out quicker due to the heavy weight. So in 75K, there might have been a second set of tires required. Also, although hard to put a price on, what about the time spent twiddling your thumbs on road trips while you sit waiting for a charger, then charging the vehicle.
I have a 2012 Camry Hybrid that I bought with 45K and now has 251K. As others have stated, Toyotas/Lexi just tend to wear out tires and wiper blades with minimal parts breakage. I do my own oil changes every 5K miles. I also change the plugs myself every 100K. Other than that, my Camry Hybrid just fires up and runs, all the while returning 35-37 mpg. I love that car. It will actually be replaced by an ES300h in about a year when I retire. I'm planning on keeping the Lexus 10-15 years.
Your videos are not actually a comparison between the two vehicles
It's rather a statement as how good your favourite car which eventually is a T***a is period .
Not all of us need the facilities in a Tesla how about comparing it to a basic Volkswagen golf or Honda City or a basic Toyota etc
Would also like to see environmental costs if possible.
Oh, and the cost in military soldiers lives too!
I'm sure this has already been asked but in your cost comparison why did the Lexus have a tire cost and brake pad comparison that isn't equal? The cost should be considered equal assuming similar driving conditions regardless of gas/EV. And honestly, if you only considered the "facts" you presented the gas powered maintenance would actually be cheaper.
A very bias review. Why compare a compare a model 3 to an ES. The model 3 would be better off being compare to an IS. A model S would better off compared to the ES.
The model 3 is a good car, it’s build quality is questionable at times and Tesla has seemed to address this recently. The built quality of a Lexus well, is probably the best out there. What about the potential repairs, a replacement battery in a Tesla is silly money.
I want to start by saying I really like Tesla and Elon. With that said the maintenance cost of $1000 for the model 3 sounds to low! You can’t tell me in 5 years that the 15inch screen is still going to be functional after all everything runs thru it! Add in those cheap door handles and those fancy rims when you hit a pot hole! Nope, not buying that it will be that low for repairs, sorry!
Compare Tesla with KIA. That is the only brand poor enough to be near Tesla.
KIA quality is better.
@@benjaminsmith2287 yeah for sure it is, that’s just how BAD tesla quality is
Interesting to look at this in 2024. If you look at 2019 the depreciations were actually quite opposite. The tesla depreciated much much more. Lexes is work close to 8k more than the Tesla if looking now.
Boy this video didn't age well. He said a Model 3 depreciates 40% when the relatity it's closer to 60%. Remember when Hertz unloaded like 20 thousand model 3s? Some people were getting 3 year old ones for 15k! Another thing, I don't think anyone who is looking for a luxury smooth-riding vehicle (like what an ES delivers) would consider a Model 3. I have an ES and have driven a Model 3 several times, and the Model 3 is like I'm in a Jeep going off-road, comparatively speaking.
With all that said, I still can’t drive the Tesla from Houston to Dallas to visit my grandkids. Where am I going to charge it and how long is that going to take. I see that Bucces is implementing some charging stations along I-45 but there was only 8.
How can you compare a car that has not been on sale for 5 yrs, using a five year period ??
This is such a bad comparison. The ES is is a luxury car the the Model 3 is not. Seriously do your research to see which cars should be compared with each other.
Lexus front pads would be around 90k miles and rear would be around 110k to 120k for first time, coolant flush on mine, well it's still that strong colour pink and 257000miles later is still unchanged at dealership, my brothers garage had a guy come in with a model s, he had bought it a month or 2 previous and car was all good, 38000 euro and then the battery crapped itself and tesla wanted 18000euro to replace it, remember when you buy an electric car you are buying from the manufacturer through the dealership, when you come back to trade you are trading with the dealer not the manufacturer, sales don't want time bombs which put them on the hook for reviving g a car that now is scrap value, that's the bones of it, on the other hand companies mostly can and will take the hit and move on
I own a Tesla (MYP). Who knows how long it will last past 120k? Then you are looking at 20k for a battery. My Prius Prime has 350k miles. Three Teslas might equal the mileage on the ES300h over its lifetime. I'm buying an ES300h as my next daily instead of risking the battery failure on a M3 Tesla. Better value? The Toyota all day long. I love my Tesla, but not to save me money. Depreciation? In '22, My MYP was 75k. A '23 with 14k mileage is 35k.
Lexus beats tesla any day. 3 years ago, I bought a used 2018 lexus 300h with 21k miles for $20k. Killer deal. Its now 62k miles. In 3 years it was about $900 in maintenance. Lexus ride is better, more luxury with better quality interior. It's still worth more than $20k. I dont have to wait by the charger when im traveling far.
I don't believe the insurance on a Tesla is that cheap. Also, the Lexus is a much larger and more comfortable car.
Call your insurance agent and get a quote for yourself and compare it to your current rate.
Still would buy Lexus any day of the week before Tesla.
For an extra $100 per month you get comfort, free detailing twice a month for 3 years, free airport valet, loan car during servicing, invites to annual events, I'd prefer a Lexus hands down.
Paying close to $40k for a minimalist model 3 with 260 miles? Haha I'd rather pay $5k more to get Lexus, build and quality not on the same level.
Doesnt make sense at all !! Es300 way luxuries and bigger car then model 3. Everyone thinks that Tesla engine and battery will last a million mile but what about body and other parts ? How much will cost battery replacement ? Lexus will be on the road next 20 years for sure but Tesla is ? Hybrid Toyota or Lexus is much smarter decision then Tesla
a few flaws in this analysis. 1) insurance costs are higher for teslas than hybrid/IC due to limitations on repair centers 2) the life and replacement cost for tesla batteries is much higher than the hybrid battery pack, especially for the model 3. even if not occurring in the first 5years, the backend life depreciation on teslas is going to accelerate as knowledge of the ev battery replacement cost on older vehicles is better understood. 4) Tesla is still aiming to drive costs down for the ev which means there will come a day in the next few years when a new model 3 cost $30k or even $25k. That could mean a new tesla will be better value, but that value innovation is going to drive down the resale price of 5yr+ used teslas. Bottom line: if you want ev now, go get one. but it is too early to expect to “save” money vs a hybrid. also, some would say the model 3 comparator is a camry or avalon hybrid xle, not a lexus.
oh, and the tire wear on the much heavier model 3 is faster than the hybrid vehicle. this is a real cost difference. 5yr depreciation isnt something magical. It is a reflection of the full knowledge/expectation the market has for the full life cycle costs of the vehicle. why are 200k mile 10+ yr toyotas commanding $10k+ used car prices?
2028-2030 Will likely be the horizon where a new tesla could be expected to trump a hybrid in total cost of ownership. That assumes that electricity prices dont’rise as fast as/faster than gasoline.
Your videos are very informative... 🙌🙌Thanks so much for sharing 🚘
You’ve been mislead
The Lexus will last 20+ years the Tesla has problems with built quality since day one 😂😂😂
Does the Tesla have no Brakes??? 🤔🤑🤑🤑
And maybe it should be mentioned that the batteries after 5 Years will do not have that range anymore and the possible range drops extreme in cold conditions what does not have that big influence on the Lex 😉But anyway 👉 Thx 4 u'r work
You hardly ever use your brakes on a Tesla. 90% of the time you use regenerative braking which does not wear down the pads.
@@jmatt98 I work at the lexus Factory in Canada. And it uses 100% of renevable energy. Like you said regenerative braking and it is not charging from the wall.
And why wouldn't model 3 need brake replacements?
With regen, you don't use the brakes very often, so the pads last a really long time!
@@Cleanerwatt and ES 300h has regen too?
Your analysis is not accurate , model 3 after 50k mile warranty breaks and costs a lot for repairs, also hybrid break pads lasts over 100k miles, Tesla model3 insurance is as high as 400 per month, I also think depreciation on a Lexus is not as high as 61%.also you did not mention that any individual shops or diy maintenance can be done on Lexus, not the same can be said for model3, for long trips lexus can go anywhere no problems, but for long trips without long breaks tesla won’t work, some people use a second car for long drives, when you consider these factors model3 costs more than a Lexus, don’t forget the crap build quality of Tesla’s.
Yeah, but how often You need to charge a tesla? and how many available well spaced charging stations are there ready to be used? and Are you the only one charging your tesla? NOOOO !!! Time is valuable... for me!!! Waiting 2 hours to charge my car? means a loss of earnings and and, twice I know people who owns teslas had to call a charger truck to charge their cars so in the mean time,,, they got stuck who knows where without power to run... but Ok, I am not all that hard headed... Electric vehicles are the future and if there is a car with long enough range power? then, that is totally the best choice... !
This is truly high quality comparison!
Good video, thanks for taking the time!
Thank you!
I have done a lot of research and spoke with friends that have teslas..... they tell me that teslas eat tires. They are buying new tires every 7 to 9 months. Their cars are so heavy, torque is so strong, and they have to buy good tires so that they have grip. And the say a set is costing them $1,100. They complain of poor quality control and fit n finish. And dificulty to have service because there are no service dealerships they can go to. And $37k for a model 3. Last time I tried to buy I was quoted $63,000 and was told an 18mnth wait for delivery. The nail on the coffin for tesla was they have an average reliability rating of 2.5 of 5..... sorry but thats ford chevy territory - no thank you.....
I thought this would be a great video, but was already thoroughly disappointed after 3 minutes. First of all, it seems like you are very focused on tech over actual build quality. You're dead set on adding the package with BSM and RCTA, because the Tesla has that. At the same time there is no mention of the ES' interior being much nicer, there being a lot more legroom in the rear, every interior panel having nicer materials on them, there not being massive panel gaps on the outside, and so on.
There is definitely a point to be made for a Tesla, but that doesn't necessitate a dishonest comparison. As others have said, you could have at least compared it to either a Camry or a Corolla (side note: my mom's Corolla has BSM, RCTA, heated steering wheel / seat heating / wireless phone charger etc, so in your theory that's the same car.
He should have compared it model S and model 3 with lexus IS.
Do the results vary in todays market