Decade-Long Mysterious Plane Crash Finally Solved | Mayday: Air Disaster
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The Accident Files - Season 3 Episode 3 "VIP On Board": Crashes involving high-profile passengers make international headlines and, placing investigators under tremendous pressure to come up with answers as the world looks on. A diplomat’s secret mission ends with a mystery that lingers for decades. Tragedy strikes when pilots gamble with the lives of a famous Brazilian football team. And, a US Air Force jet carrying an American VIP crashes in war-torn Croatia.
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Have you ever found yourself researching more about a particular air crash after watching its Mayday Air Disaster episode?
Yes
yes
Yes, and Ron Brown was definitely assassinated
Yes, indeed.
Yes!
“Physics of flying ain’t gonna change just because someone important is in the back of the airplane.” aptly said.
Or for that matter, who's flying the plane.
My heart breaks for the Chapecoense player because I could tell in his voice how devastating the crash and losing his teammates was for him
😂 >t all depends upon what your definition of Is Is ? 😮
Hard to believe it could take ten years for an aircraft to crash.
you just have to fly slow!!
Slow motion.
When I was piloting an aircraft , the VIP was ME.
What a shame 🫠
Planes do not fly without pilots... :)
@@brucegoodall3794who was the vip on kobe Bryant's plane? Exactly
Drones@@ann7318
Exactly 👍
Regarding the recording (I call it 'supposed' recording) of the possible conversation between factions of a group that shot down the plane of the UN Secretary General, I'm amazed nobody even bothered to check out the validity of this claim. The person at the listening post was stationed and working at monitoring in Crete. The crash occurred in Rhodesia. The distance is over 4,500 miles. Just the mere distance tends to invalidate the claim. Add the fact that the line of sight distance for such radio signals to travel over ends in under 100 miles. Plus if these were close proximity transceivers, there is no way the weak signals could have travelled that huge distance. And you don't need a 50K watt transmitter to communicate with an accomplice in the local area. Yes, atmospheric ducting, and other forms of radio skip, could have allowed the signal to travel over great distances, possibly enough to make the route. But then we have to consider that the listening post, 4,500 miles away, figured what frequency to listen to, the type of modulated transmission , at the right time and somehow be aware that it was coming from Rhodesia. And THEN wait 40 years to mention it. Sorry, not buying it.
The radio's, as you say, can travel unexpectedly at times, and for the reasons mentioned. In the late 80's, just around the time of USSR's breakdown, I was in command of 3 low level observation posts on the northwest corner of Zealand in Denmark. During operations and excersizes, we routinely heard transmissions from observation posts in the other end of the country that we were not supposed to be able to hear, but it was so routine and we knew why, so we didn't think anything of it in other terms than signal security.
Then, on one occasion actually lasting hours, we suddenly heard signal traffic in English on our radio. Clear as day, and in a strength suggesting that they were nearby. And that simply couldn't be as we knew there were no British or other outside nations forces in Denmark that particular day.
In a period of dull inactivity we listened to the transmissions and realised that they were from a British RAF ground unit (they used the same kind of callsigns as us for ease of contact during international operations/excersizes within NATO), And knowing that the RAF around those days had a major excersize going in RAF valley in Wales, we soon discovered that we were actually listening in on that excersize. Only, this shouldn't have been possible because the Brits used basically the same type of radio with the same line of sight capability as ours, only with a different company producing it, so that they, like us, shouldn't even be able to reach the other side of the British main island. But they were broadcasting to us on the eastern half of Denmark somehow. And it wasn't just the post I was on. It was all 3 posts that I controlled and several others distributed across Zealand as well.
We didn't try to reach them by calling them on the radio for obvious reasons, but we are pretty sure that they were aware of our presence on the frequency because at some point one station asked their HQ station if there were foreign stations involved in the excersize, and when given a negative on that reported that they could here transmissions in a foreign language from time to time and that the foreign stations used callsigns similar to their own. This was acknowledged and then told to be just ignored as allied NATO forces were also known to be excersizing that day. And to my personal knowledge, we were the only other NATO force using the frequency routinely to be on the air that day.
But given that there are something just short of 1.200 kilometers between my station and RAF valley, hearing each other with radio equipment supposed to be local/line of sight only is a pretty tall order to accomplish.
I never found out just how the atmospheric conditions from my position to RAF valley were when it comes to radio transmissions, but to this day I am still curious about them, because they have to have been very special. And I can't help but wonder who else might have heard both sides and from where/how far. I will never know, but the thought is interesting and also sombering from a military point of view.
@@Jens-Viper-Nobel Fascinating story!!
@Jens-Viper-Nobel I know in Alaska we had a radio hooked up for communication outside the Bush & we could pick up Japan and many other places simply by wiring a radio (normal radio in the 80s) to a tree & running the wire to another tree. It was always easy to pick up other areas far away to listen to them. We couldn't understand them as we were just trying to listen to what was known as the Caribou Clatters. A method of family & friends sending messages to loved ones.
A VIP? That would be anyone on board!
It probably could have been stated better by saying a celebrity, or professional player, etc.
I mean Dag and the others are Swedish so they certainly don't think of themselves as a VIP that's for damn sure
At 1:45 When the pilot said "Ndola" I was like, there's no way.... then at 1:55 the narrator said "British colony of Northern Rhodesia" and I gasp. Why? because I realized they were talking about my birth country, Zambia. Formally known as Northern Rhodesia and I was born in Ndola.
Yep that was 19601/1961
This crush took place in my country zambia on the copperbelt province in a town called Ndola, there's a statue built on the crash site and i have been there several times
I think the video of Bill Clinton laughing (and then abruptly stopping when he noticed a camera) while leaving Ron Brown's funeral caused a lot of suspicion around his crash.
Not my job to investigate the crash,I'm just watching other people's mistakes lol
I still remember Bill C. Walking out for the burial service laffing and joking until he sees the cameras.
Smirk on his face at live tells u everything u need ta know.
Oh, really? There was laughter at my dad's memorial service and I can assure you we were all heartbroken to lose him. You don't know what was being said or anything else. And you know what they say about "assume."
Should watch the documentary about the boys on the tracks...and how that was covered up to get him in office.
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If he would have been held accountable for 1/4 of everything he’s done , he would have been hung live on pay per view 30 years ago. Just more proof if you have the msm covering for you due to the (D) beside your name , you will never not only not be held accountable but you’ll get richer after the White House. Can you imagine if he would had received the Trump treatment, instead he and Epstein will never be held accountable t
@@janvandusen5700 watch the video of it.. it wasn't like that.
My son played basketball at Cedarville University (2022 grad). A knew a little about the tornado, but this was a fantastic report. Thank you!
Each is such a tragedy!
Thank you for sharing this story. Rest In Peace to all that have lost their life. My Condolences to the family and friends that knew them.
Why not fly into an unknown airport during the daylight visual conditions with such an important passenger
The secretary's plane was shot down. I believe the CIA, mainly Dulles had a hand in this one.
Why all the European carriers never had a problem to safely land at Dubrovnik?
When it comes to vip's, it is the vip's who put pressure on pilots to get them to where they want to go, and the worst passengers on a military aircraft are self-centered government officials who treat military personnel as their slaves.
Is that’s so?
@MonkPetite he's absolutely right.
@@user-re6id4qh3j I never failed on that part. No vip, with or without stripes did influence my crew not me.
My planes fly as means of transportation. it’s my crew to decide what happens or not.
Having said that , many others like me operating a fleet of jets think the sam way.
“ we don’t care how your are , that way we can take care”
So sad in all three incidents.
As a private pilot I've long been puzzled by the use of "above sea level" altitudes used when the concern SHOULD be--"Height above the GROUND". The use of above sea level business is what caused the Thunderbirds crash.
How is a pilot to know at every second his height above the ground? These planes do not have such equipment. GPS for aviation did not always exist. The Thunderbirds involved in the crash in 1982 were flying in VFR conditions, so the lead pilot had visual reference to the ground at all times. These jets fly very fast, and the lead pilot may very well have misjudged the altitude necessary to pull out of the maneuver (their target ending altitude was to be very close to the ground; not much margin for error), or as the Air Force concluded, his flight controls jammed. The other pilots behind and to the side are trained to look only at the lead pilot's plane not the ground.
What about the survivor of the UN Secretary-General's crash who said there was an explosion before the crash? One of the participants said, "He doesn't understand how important his testimony would be." How could there be an explosion before hitting the ground, unless it was hit with something that caused the explosion?
At 23:55 "The fuel level indicators are at zero" On the BAe146 the fuel gauges are electrically driven and always read zero unless powered on.
Listening to this, regarding the military aircraft. I disagree with installing cockpit voice and data recorders on military aircraft. During war, a downed plane to provide too much data to the enemy.
I would differ between military aircraft in general and those used to fly government passenger, as the latter would never fly in a war zone. Should a very rare situation arise, where a government official needed to be flown into a war zone, there would be special precautions anyway, and 1 of those could be to disengage the CVR/FDR or fly in an aircraft without such.
Remember, when that crash happened, there was no longer a war going on. Not that it wouldve made a difference here, only made the investigation easier.
RIP Dag Hammarskjold.
Dag Hammarsjold's book "Markings" is well worth reading.
Mr. Todd Curtis must be a robot. I have never seen a regular person beeing so expressionless.
How did they calculate the 6000' "at the location where the plane crashed"? Yeah, they did a 3⁰ back calculation from the airport. But that's not how non precision approaches are flown. Where was the 5000msa on the chart? I didn't see it. The approach plate you keep showing shows a procedure turn at or above 4160' and the crash was at 4290. They were allowed to be at 4290.
Love this vios thank you.
I wonder if they will mention the 45 cal. hole in Ron Browns head , he was murdered .
That Avro is a cool looking plane.
Why would Dag's plane be the only one ever that crashes in this situation though? Why are there no other night flight crashes from other planes using the same maps?
Its pointless. There may not have been too many flights there at that time n location. But for the charts to remain univestigated for 50 years is impossible.
The 3 most useless things in aviation. The sky above you, the runway behind you, and empty space in your fuel tanks. There are 2 accident causes that are 100% avoidable and happen more than they should. Continued VFR into IMC and not properly handling your fuel situation. I still remember a man who lost his aircraft about 30 years ago. He went down because of fuel starvation NOT exhaustion. Thankfully today he is still breathing.
Why wouldn't the hills be on the chart? That is ridiculous.
First thing I wondered about was an incorrect altimeter setting.
I wonder what Ron knew.
3:45
Historically accurate map, good job.
Not shocked that there were no voice recorder boxes on these VIP planes. Why. So if any of these VIP start getting a little difficult, then the powers can get rid of them without who actually killed these VIPs
Sad events.
Well, at least he got a plaza in NYC named after him.😮
Not anymore.....he was canceled by the lefties.
That’s two govt officials killed because the pilots had inaccurate charts. The first one, a hill near the airport wasn’t shown on the map. The second, the minimum altitude on approach was wrong. Not saying it was intentional, but it’s sure an easy/ier way to kill somebody. A bomb, tampering, shooting down can all be discovered and result in a big mess afterwards of accusations, cover-up attempts, etc.
It's not that they crashed with someone high profile people. It's that happened 3 times..You know the odds of that happening?
Dag's plane was shot down , you have made misleading comments , by omitting radio messages from a fighter aircraft in the area . Nor did you mention the bullet holes that WERE FOUND !
it was mentioned in the full episode.
There is a longer documentary about the "crash" of Dag Hammersjold and the politics and perpetrators behind it.
The only issue I see is that the VIP passengers who perished were afforded search and investigation hours that no low hanging fruit would receive. It's why families never find out what happened. The government gets to "tell the public what happened" and we all know how they always tell the truth 🤦♂️
So !many of these tragic and horrific accidents that have happened over the years happen AT NIGHT! What is so bl0od y important about getting places that forces airlines to regularly operate when they CAN'T SEE! How many of these would not have killed all of those people if they were able to see the hiold or mountains, orient themselves in space, etc. WHY is it considered safe to fly at night? don't even get me started on the weather!! How many ice and electrical storms are flown into, with tragic consequences, when these flights should not not have been allowed to fly!!
Old "Mayday" segments. As if Mayday posting them over and over again was not enough.
Why do they continue to use sea level as a reference when the crew needs to know how high above the ground they are?? They continue to say the aircraft should have been at 6000 feet. But that is ABOVE SEA LEVEL---not the ground.
Pilots also consider AGL, Above Ground Level. A device called a "radio altimeter" that uses downward-directed radar can be used to measure this, however, they are expensive and most are only capable of measuring up to 2500 feet. They are most commonly used for ground proximity warning systems and on high-end aircraft with auto-landing capability. Smaller, less complex aircraft rely on terrain awareness, either visually when possible (clear daytime skies) or through knowing their location relative to terrain denoted on aerial maps when flying without outside visual references (using only the aircraft instruments for situational awareness relative to the map). A routine part of planning an IFR trip (using instrument flight rules) is to review the map for minimum safe altitude along the flight path. Commercial airlines do this even in visual flight conditions.
As important as AGL is, MSL (altitude above mean sea level) is also critical information. The aerodynamic performance of the aircraft is sensitive to air density and temperature, both of which decrease with increasing altitude above sea level. Other risks, such as frame icing, are also different at different altitudes above sea level because of this. In addition, the AGL of aircraft is continuously changing as the geography of the ground beneath it changes. It would be essentially impossible for air traffic control to use AGL to monitor flights. Airways are designated by MSL so the controller knows exactly what path the aircraft is on relative to other aircraft in the air. Controllers also have critical AGL information on their monitors so they can warn pilots if it seems like they are losing situational awareness and getting dangerously low. However, this backup is not available for flights outside of the limits of the control center's radar.
In summary, AGL awareness is important for the individual aircraft while MSL is important for the individual aircraft but also for control of air traffic in general. MSL is also easier to measure and it is information that is available in all aircraft from ultra-lights to commercial airlines to combat jets, so it tends to be used as the common language for communicating flight status. However, the pilot of each aircraft must maintain awareness of AGL, at least in terms of the lowest MSL that is a safe AGL at each point along their path of travel.
@@BoredBrainMy father, my uncles, my grandfather and my great-grandfather all flew for various branches of the military. I love your posts, not just because I can follow it but it takes me back to listening to them chew the fat, digging up bones and having major pi$$taking going on at my uncle's place up in Napa.
Thank you for the reminder! Clear skies!!
Well explained. Three different air crashes. Please make a video on the Pakistan international airlines jet crashing into a hill, while approaching Kathmandu airport in Nepal in the late nineties .
It's already an episode. It's in Disney+
Yes. The Congo was a cold war battle. The US, the French and English conspired to kill him. The survivor was also murdered.
I remember the Ron Brown one, and AvWeb posted a copy of the Jeppeson approach plate. It definitely said “Not authorized for 1 ADF”. These guys tried to create their own instrument approach pulling it out of their asses and paid the price.
It’s called “flying jungle jepps” basically a self made approach
..."important people"....
Jeez, the Bolivian airline carried out truly scary practices.
He wanted "world peace". The country of forever wars did not. He lost.
He was arkansided 😉
Yeah fucking right, russia is the worst country on earth
So 2 Airplanes go down do the pilots having the wrongs maps of the land lay out. Yeap nothing to see here.. really how dumb can you be. Who gave them the maps and how could the lay out be that wrong
Sounds like the Magic Bullet....
12:48 "Forty years later, in 2011....." Commentator needs primary-school maths. That's FIFTY years. I vividly recall the news headlines about Dag Hamarskjold's plane crash in 1961, when I was just a youth. Back then they sometimes included a grainy wirephoto to major stories like this.
We have all run out of fuel in our life times just how it is
I'm sure the families of the others killed in those crashes think that their loved ones were every bit as important as those "VIPs." I really wish they'd come up with another term, like WKP (Well Known Person) or something like that.
29:30 You think as a part owner, his life is worth more than a few bucks. The more I watch these videos, the more I am glad I don't fly (or ride in cars).
Private flight should not be done in hilly conditions at night? Now who provided the defective Charts?
50 years latter and NSA still plays the Secret card? This is at CONGO ??
Its totally silly. If there was an unmarked hill on the charts, would it take 50 years for that to be discovered. Totally stupid
the lamia-chapecoense voice recorders are available. ive heard it in other channels
In the 737 crash I believe the pilots were homing to airport with the ADF and not tracking a specific course.
They were using “doctored” instrument approach charts (approach plates, as we in the trade call them), critical approach bearings and altitudes were changed to allow the crew to fly the aircraft into the terrain, if the procedure was flown as it was depicted on the “doctored” chart…
Many of us older pilots who are familiar with this “accident” call it being “Ron Browned”…
@@joer5571simply awful!
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So who would have made the chart? (Dag Hamershaws plane-sp)
If they went to all the trouble not to tell anyone and take extra precautions-it seems they would have checked the chart to make sure it was accurate. Also- what were they going to do to make the Congo less hostile by flying there?
Just wondering…?
@@angelaowen1513 I don’t know much about the Dag crash in The Congo- I did see a video a few years ago about it that carried the idea that they were shot down by a fighter jet from a neighboring country… I was just commenting on the 737 crash that killed Ron Brown, who was the US Secretary of Commerce at the time, 1996… There were allegations that someone had altered (and reprinted) the instrument navigation and approach charts for Dubrovnik, Croatia, removing the terrain elevations and warnings, and changed the instrument approach course bearings, which if flown the way the altered procedure they had in hand would result in flying the aircraft into the terrain, which they did… I’ve been an airline Captain for forty five years, so I’m familiar with how all of that works…
@@joer5571
Oh! I thought the one about the mountain that was not on the pilots charts was the Hamershaw crash.
Anyway- just wondered who would have been responsible for making the chart for the pilots. 🙂
"That I may be... firmer, simpler, quieter, warmer." -- Dag Hammarskjøld
Why is this in my youtube recomendations? Not that I'm complaining tho- xd
Did yu say KILTON? 🤯
Ndola airport in Zambia?
I was born in 1961. 😁
Airforce personnel are expendable?
I’m confused here. What’s the point of skipping fuel on a plane? You still use the same amount of fuel for the distance you’re covering. If a plane has enough fuel for 100km that’s what it has fuel for, skipping fuel won’t change the fact that to go a further 25km you need equivalent fuel for that. Whether you pour it or not you’ll need more fuel to reach that destination. How’s that a logical thing to do? I can delay pouring gas in my car today but to get to work tomorrow I’ll still need to pour fuel so whether I pour it today after work and go nowhere or pour it tomorrow morning I’ll still need fuel to get to work🤷🏿♂️…how is not buying fuel saving money? If your pour more than you need that’s not money wasted because you’ll use it the following day.
I think you're missing the point here. The plane was at the limit of its range on this flight (1,600kms) They needed to make a stop for refuelling which meant losing time and added complications so they thought -lets see if we can make it in one.. it will probably be ok.
Extra fuel is extra weight and increases fuel consumption. They only carry enough for the anticipated flight and to reach an alternate airport in an emergency.
Morse code? Very reassuring.
Very famous man. I have never heard of him. 🤩🤣
I am old enough to remember that crash.
Doesn’t make him any less famous. 😂
“The physics of flying aren’t going to change just because someone important is in back of the airplane” (let me change that to “famous” because all people on those planes were important). True. So true! Flights chosen for this episode are in *plenty* of miserable company. As somebody mentioned, these charter or special flights are often more dangerous because of various unusual circumstances.
Whirled Peas.
This is an old episode of Mayday. Why can't you show recent episodes that we have not seen?
I hadn't seen this one.
I agree, all video should be dated with original date of first show, if you want to repost it as "new"
Ya know.....if the channel isn't coming up with alot of new material? That means alot less people are dying in plane crashes. Do you think that might be a good thing? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
They show them first on cable TV or paid streaming services.
Ruth here, it may be they do not always make a video every crash@@fighterjetsteve
it is a wrong explanation for how ADF beacon works... in the case of Dubrovnik crash. Sound is a morse code idenrifier of a beacon , but there is an instrument with a needle pointing in the direction of the bacon. When you fly over the first one you switch to the frequency of the next one which is usually a few miles from the airport. It was clearly a pilots mistake, probably because ADF is an old technology... its always sad.
You say football we say soccer.
Why not start from day one with fuel tanks filled to capacity, and then you only need to replace what you used and never have to worry about running out of fuel. Shouldn't that be safety law number one.
They don’t do that because carrying extra fuel adds weight which makes the trip more expensive.
@@kenotube3160 The cost of an airplane worth millions, plus the cost of the millions from lawsuits, lawyers and the increase in insurance premiums, because you ran out of fuel. You would think keeping your fuel tanks filled to capacity would be a cheaper form of insurance, not to mention the lives that would not be lost, because your plane ran out of fuel. But that's how my mind works and I understand bean counters don't see it my way, but the first time a bean counter loses a loved one because the plane owned by the company they work ran out of fuel......they might come to my way of thinking.
I understand your way of thinking. But the airlines would pass the cost along to the customers and unless it was required by regulations, no airline would do it willingly. Commercial aircraft running out of fuel is incredibly rare. They’re required to carry enough for the trip plus reserves in case they need to go to an alternate airport, plus an extra percentage, as discussed in this video. In this case, the captain was an owner in the airline and thought he could cheat to save money, which killed almost everyone on the plane.
Excess fuel weight would make the plane too heavy to land safely. Enough fuel to reach the destination, plus a reserve to reach alternate airport(s) and accommodate delays is all you want.
Isn't 2011 almost 50 years after 1962's reports, instead of 40 years?
I agree fifty years
Is this narrated by David Mitchell?
This was narrated by Jonathan Aris
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, ....
Thank God I'm hard of hearing, I have an app that can change the level of volume of my transmitter to send sounds to me hearing aid. 😂
How much power does a UN secretary have? Lol. Not much really.
Reruns for wee ones
Stop calling people by their last names. Call them by their first names.
Exactly gi8ke8ef8d
People usually call anyone who they didn't know by their last name (in some countries)
Dag Hammarskjöld was a United Nation Secretary General
Ron knew too much.
Yes, and was 'Clintonized'.
Other than Air Force one, Airforce doesn't have the same safety and precautions as the passenger planes under the FAA. At least back when this crash happened. This was a pilot error and should never have happened, but the pressure was on to land here even though it wasn't safe.
Were they flying Boeings? You kind of see the plug through the plaid.
Dag had a black boyfriend. Was he also on the plane?
26:28 We know how to stay safe and how to not run out of gas in the air... You guys didn't do a single thing.... What can you do when you're otta gas???? Get out and push the airplane to a gas station??? You run out of gas? It's over for you! Unless a miracle happens...
He was traveling with his young male lover! That was hushed up.
What does that have anything to do with anything?
@@juliemanarin4127if it has nothing to do with anything, why was it hushed up.
'Par for the Course' when it comes to the so-called 'Globalist Elites' that is even far more pervasive today that includes 'Child-S*x Trafficking', i.e. the UN at Bosnia-Herzegovina in the late 1990s.
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Yikes, I’ve never heard this aviation expert is so critical, he is angry.
Plumbers in the cockpit reinforced by Air Farce overconfidence!
Is this passive propaganda?
no.
UN? WHO, WEF, all un elected Buerocrats who think that they are above human life.
Such a shame what happened to Rhodesia. White guilt never qorks in anyones favor.
How Many of you believe the lone survivor of the crash that Killed the UN secretary ?
LOL, there's no GOD, so asking to help is useless!
Do not believe this u s intelligence at all
Pilots are show-offs, but then they don't pull up to avoid mountain tops. Really dumb... But they got away with it before, so they try it again.
Then, one day, they carry a VIP (means: very important person), and then the crash matters much more.
Well, you can't give the Death Penalty to pilots that already got the scare of their life...
Really, the head of the u.n. a nobody organization is the most important person in the world.
Sure looks like a CIA hit!