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Hi Chloe, I love your videos, especially the longer and more information intense ones. I have a cheeky question though! You have such an amazing and enthralling voice, but for the life of me I can't figure out your accent! Did you move around a lot when you were growing up? Hope you don't mind me asking, you just have such an amazingly beautiful voice that is like a lullaby! ❤😂😘
@@DisasterBreakdown Why on earth would they have been looking for smoke/fire instructions on an "abnormal" check list??? Smoke or fire are generally considered an emergency.
@@DisasterBreakdown That's fascinating, I feel like you have a southern Irish twang in there somewhere! Lol 😂 Just finished watching and love, not just how in depth you go but, (as a layperson) I really appreciate how well you explain it for us non technical people who find it fascinating non the less. I also enjoy the train ones too, do you think you'd ever branch out to ships aswell?
Although I recognise the Geordie/Northumbrian in Chloe’s accent (I live near Newcastle myself), I’ve always thought there were elements of other accents in there - even North American! Very interesting!
Imagine just a few breaths of hot, thick, pitch black smoke as you struggle to breath…smoke inhalation kills in seconds; exceedingly faster than flames.
There is a very simple explanation - I thought everyone knew about it already: they did not stop immediately and evacuation did not happen - because there was an important Saudi Arabia "royalty" small airplane in sight on one of the runways - the guidelines said at no point evacuating proceeds when that "royalty" plane is near - they had to overtake it and not stop per guidelines and they did not allow evacuation in sight of that plane because their "jobs" and criminal offences (their relatives can be put to death and charged as well) were in sight. They were more concerned about that "important person" on the runway and him getting away without harm then about the death of hundreds of people.
@@elijahmohamed457 dozens of articles and news were written about it with people coming forward and testifying to what they saw. Most were afraid to say as much because of the consequences and thus later some retracted their statements. you don't have to wonder twice why. I am surprised it is not better known - just after the disaster everyone knew that as the truth. I guess it has been suppressed. it is a logical explanation too about the crew behaving so oddly and given the nature and politics of the country thy were landing in. I don't want you to believe me and no, I wont provide articles I cannot find now - I am just very surprised that that this explanation which seemed so natural to so many at that time is not better known now.
not taking a fire alarm on a PLANE seriously is INSANE. i work at a school, evacuating with the amount of false alarms we have gets harder each time. but i couldn’t imagine ignoring it if there really IS a fire. that’s fucking terrifying.
I was at school today and to be honest I was in the esthetic’s classroom getting a wax service done and I heard the fire alarm go one good grief if there was a fire alarm and it went on in the school I would of went home already.
I was in a school fure in grade 6. They were doing upgrades (we found out after, inappropriately as they didnt put fire alarms between a new roof going up overtop an old one). I was in class 3 periods before lunch break (we had 50 min classess at the time) and someone in my class smelled burning rubber..then we all smelled it. My.teacher was the principal and he took it seriously and made calls. Classes changed. We had lunch..we put it out of our head. first period after lunch a fire alarm went off and by the time we got outside we rememebered the burning rubber smell..we saw someone hand an extinguisher up a ladder to the roof. 80% of the school was burned that day. 100% were evacuated due to fire alarms working well and everyone taking it seriously. I was behind a fire wall that was shut due to solid practices of teachers. We'd get in trouble propping them open for lunch (we were a very full school, upgrade was needed). But those practices made a difference. It was December 5th 1996. The feeling of cold and watching the school burn was tragic. We had a zoo and most of the animals died. The zoo teacher was handcuffed to the police car as he begged them to let him enter to open cages. I will never forget some of the teAchers screaming "this is a real fIre EVACUATE QUICKLY". I know students that had a room collapse behind them and one area was overcome with smoke.. The teacher with the animals found goodness in his heart again. He was a passionate teacher than never lost the fire to teach. He was real and used every situation to teach. I had him after the fire and hed lose a few tears in class when something he used to teach would comenup but he didnt have the same animal that taught it.. grade 7 science here, learning about stimulus. Anyway, keep it real:) Thanks for the therapy :)❤
On a plane, I'd pay attention to a fire alarm, at a school, as a student I'd ignore them _because_ of all the false alarms. I only pay attention to alarms if it doesn't have a history of being a false alarm or if I'm an employee (and therefore obligated to actually pay attention).
@@alex_zetsu and you, my friend, makes my job x10 harder every time the alarm goes off at work. we are legally required to evacuate, just get out and stop wasting the entire staff and student body’s time by being difficult i am BEGGING you.
I'm not sure they were the worst. There might've been even worse pilots who just happened to never have an in-flight emergency. But yeah, these guys were pretty bad.
As an American, we often take certain things for granted. Like a certain level of professionalism and expertise among those in critical jobs. But sadly this is not the case all over the world.
@@Snapper314 whenever an American pilot working with an airline with safety issues abroad its always an alarming thing, look upon Peter Waxtan from the last vid bout dana air
@@TTFerdinand they where the worst, they lacked situational awareness, professionalism, laziness, and no time of urgency meaning (not moving fast enough in short words) for example "tell them, tell them not to evac" shows a lack of urgency
It really drives home just how critical those first three minutes on the ground were when you remember that an aircraft evacuation is supposed to be completed IN 90 SECONDS.
Well…90 seconds if no one brings their luggage along. There is video of some emergency landings when cell phones were common, including one with a fire in the rear of the plane…..and despite being told to leave them, some people STILL grabbed luggage, including bulky wheeled carry-on bags. There are pics of people pulling wheeled suitcase away from a commercial passenger plane on fire behind them, and only mainly those near exits got off. In another incident, a front slide was deflated when someone tossed their carryon luggage on the slide, despite all warnings to leave luggage, leading to injuries in those who came after.
@@mlisaj1111 One contributing factor _may_ be shock. My dad once happened to be the first passer-by on a nasty night time car crash and went to help. He managed to wave down another driver to help as well. The injured driver was bloody and clearly had severe damage to his face and legs but the only thing he cared for was "finding his wallet". Some people undeniably are just selfish but in fear and shock humans go stupid. It po course is very dangerous!
@@mlisaj1111 f/a. Yes, true, 90 seconds is the safety number. In my opinion, allowing luggage on board, was an error regarding safety. It started out in part, due to airlines charging more for checked baggage. Naturally, passengers put as much as possible in their carry on, which gradually led to small sized suitcases with wheels, which had the heaviest items stuffed in them. The best advice is, put everything you can't bear to leave behind, such as wallet, passport, documents, inside your jacket pocket, and in the very rare possibility of an emergency, leave the bag of clothes and gadgets behind, you have what you need. Your life and other lives, depends on those few precious seconds for survival.
@@margaretr5701 Interesting to hear how the carry-on luggage evolved, and Amen to the recommendation that people take just their important documents or small items that won’t slow anyone down.
@@mlisaj1111 Right! Of course it hasn't been said officially, but the ever growing carry on luggage, was easy to observe over time. And of course, who really wants to check bags in, if you can pack enough in a carry on.😊 I wish all airlines would recommend passengers put small valuables in their pockets, then we might see less luggage in those emergency related video's. Thankfully, they're very rare, statistically, we're still safer in a plane, than a car! Happy travelling.
This was a horrific accident, the situation in the cabin was unimaginable. Reports after the incident, mentioned the Cabin Crew facing panic from passengers as they rushed forward. I’m an ex flight attendant with 35 experience, my Dad was an airport fire fighter based in the Middle East at the time of the accident, he travelled to Saudi Arabia to assist with the investigation. He showed me photos of the aftermath, the most horrific being those from the cockpit, a flight attendant had entered the flight deck, her body was found on the central control panel underneath numerous passenger bodies. I want to mention the doors, I never operated on the tristar, however I did operate DC10 and 767 aircraft, in order to open the doors, a handle is pulled down , the door then moves into the aircraft before retracting into the upper roof, in normal mode, I would push the door upwards or in automatic, the door will automatically rise with the slide falling out and inflating, even with normal operation, I would have to ask passengers to step back as the door came into the cabin. The majority of bodies from this accident were found piled up at the forward exits, even if some of the flight attendants were attempting to open doors, they were no doubt crushed by passengers or overcome with fumes. I have to say, you are without doubt, the most professional , confident and passionate presenter, I have the upmost respect for you.
So the flight attendant entered the flight deck, followed by panicking passengers rushing in, pinning the pilots into their seats so that no one could get out? Interesting, I've never heard that before, but it does make sense.
Well in the case of an aircraft, smoke could be electrical arcing melting wires. In fact what we perceive as smoke could be vapor coming from a metal exceeding its melting point. Even in daily life smoke doesn't always mean fire but it does mean a chemical reaction is happening.
Just incomprehensible. There is a technique for decision making when you don’t have complete info called something like “and if you are wrong?”, where you run different scenarios and what could happen if you are wrong about an assumption. If the answer to any of the scenarios are “and if you are wrong, then you/people die”..you DON’T pursue that option. The answer to “if I am wrong and it’s NOT only smoke but fire too” is “then we all die” - then the best course of action is to land, if you were wrong about it being an emergency.…then it’s just a delay. Or common sense works too.
I think it's just a good idea to immediately divert/get the plane down as quickly as possible in the event of a fire alarm. You can deal with the potential of it being an erroneous warning later. You DO NOT want to be dealing with a fire at 30 thousand feet in a metal tube. Get down and figure it out later.
Exactly! Why in the hell were they looking for instructions on the "abnormal" instructions? Last time I checked a fire, anywhere on a plane was an EMERGENCY! The level of incompetence is staggering.
Nevertheless, this happened again years later, when Swissair 111 pilots hesitated to make an emergency overweight landing while on fire. Only after SR 111had happened, getting to the ground ASAP was even more emphasized on.
I know of three flights where everyone died because fire was mishandled. The South African flight possibly carrying weaponry, the Polish airlines where they _thought_ they had time to get to get a decent airport and this one. There are probably more incidents where fire was mishandled. Seriously, fire, put the airplane on the ground ASAP, I bet they believe fire is a joke and the fire extinguisher system will promptly take care of it 100%
@@randibgood If I worked in the control tower and someone was chewing out a pilot for turning around because of a "presumed fire emergency", I'd just butt in and tell them they have permission to land and I'd send the fire trucks anyway even if the flight engineer says there was no need for them. I'm not going to waste precious time questioning whether or not there is a fire on the plane. That defies normal human thinking... Just, just, unbelievable how much incompetence there was. I have no words for that.
I was flying BA to Germany from the UK, only a short hop but one of the cabin crew told the pilot that she thought she could smell smoke. Captain immediately turned back and landed safely. Trust and confidence between the crew was clearly excellent!
The absolutely right decision and shows that horizontal hierarchy is beneficial to all as all reports from crew are taken into account. While not responsible for the flight decisions, the cabin crew is an essential part of flight safety. The crew is the contact point between passengers and pilots and by proxy the ground control.
Yeah but in today's day and age... Where there is smoke, there is... A giant conspiracy behind if it was actually smoke. Maybe some dude was just being a vape god in the back? Or you know...someone CGI'd the 🔥 and maybe the fire is actually transgender. Look into it bro
As a massive fan of the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar, its a plane that my family are partial to, this story breaks my heart. Not only is Saudia - Saudi Arabian Airlines Flight 163 a horror story of items that shouldn't be anywhere near a plane, but also of pilots who had no business being onboard, let alone at the controls. May the 301 men, women, children and infants who perished that horrifying night rest in peace.
As a mentour pilot student , great channel u have here❤ The flight engineers record made me laugh and cry at once, paid his own fe training😂 Never heard of a thing, what an airline Saudi was for taking up his offer😂 blew my mind in callous and misguided decision of a billion dollar company hahah. Not😂
Really man I mean u look at one part of Al-Khowyter's record and you'd think you were flying with a pro...over 7500 flight hours at 38 years old flying everything from 707s to DC3 to 737 back to DC9.. but then u read on and realize he's somewhat of a miracle and I don't mean in a good way I mean I really don't understand how he made it anywhere near 7500 flight hours or Captain and by the time he was 38 when some good pilots are still XOs at 58...clearly shows Saudia was seriously lacking at the time in many areas that would render most airlines inert and out of business with no chance of a return but then u got the XO who also had many of the same problems of the captain and Flight Engineer from America born Polish with a name change(absolutely nothing against Polish people I love everybody and your culture and history is endlessly amazing) who along with the XO joins the captain as a pilot who failed at basic things that would probably send most pilots packing and looking for a new career I mean damn it becomes pretty clear Saudia was the doldrums, the depths, the wild west of the airline industry . one that never ever should be possible in something like...The Airline Industry...however I do give a bit of respect to the captain for landing as well as he did with a major emergency stacked on his shoulders, that time they were messing around though could've been the difference....but man this is one of those disasters thats stuck with me the most from my childhood and my granddad,who was a captain at Iberia in the 80s and early 90s, telling me many stories along with assuring my life as a aviation freak, this is most definitely one that I never ever forget...to land and then have everyone die is beyond tragedy and then the souls..301 Jesus man something like this shouldn't even be possible..the captain in particular somehow dodged countless bullets to make it as far as he did but somehow lost his common sense when it was needed most however I do recognize that after they landed it could've been very bad luck that overtook incapacitated them as well
My aunt's husband's brother was one of the flight crew members that lost their lives on that flight. I cannot imagine how horrific it was to hear that one of your relatives basically burned to death.
This whole case feels like a tragic example of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory". There were so many opportunities for this tragic loss of life to be prevented if the people in the cockpit were even somewhat competent. The cabin crew, on the other hand, showed incredible bravery and deserved so much better.
Chloe, congrats on building ever-better videos! This tale is so sad. True Story: I'm a flight attendant and in around 1992 in Manilla, on a B747-400, we were boarding the coach cabin and people were complaining of gasoline coming out of the overhead bin and dripping upon them. Upon inspection, a man had brought a gasoline-powered chainsaw on board and it was leaking! We....encouraged him to take it off the plane and to see the agents. Srsly.
As someone who never experienced flight prior to the changes made after September 11th 2001, stories of the things passengers were just able to bring onboard planes before, are utterly astounding. Imagine trying to explain to TSA that yeah, your hand luggage is a CHAINSAW...????
Utterly mind-boggling how incompetent the three men flying the plane were. RIP to all the passengers and flight attendants who perished in this completely preventable disaster.
@vinny142 they had to chase the plane down and then wait for the engines to be shut down before they could do anything. By that time im certain the people in the back of the plane were dead. Given it took so long to open the doors, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the pressure differential was too great so they had to wait for the fire to depressurize the plane. There wasn't anything they could have done. It's very telling the pilots still had their belts on to just how fast people were overcome inside the plane.
@@vinny142 ???? Fire started in the back, the pilots are at the front of the plane, dead with seatbelts still fastened. Clearly everyone died during the landing
Moral of the story: Always get into action for your own safety even when a problem you encounter is minor, because you'll never know if/when the small problem can become serious enough to put your life in jeopardy.
Once heard a fite alarm on 3rd floor of piblic building. BELIEVE ME. i was OUT in 30 seconds. Nothing wrong, and i wasnt going to be there if there was.
That and like, majority of people nowadays lack common sense. I do not trust them. The amount of people who smoke while pumping gasoline and genuinely don't understand why that is dangerous is baffling. Once had a guy try to fist fight me over it. Like. If you want to take yourself out go for it. But don't expect others to want to go with you smfh.
Comparing this accident and the evacuation of Air France 358 really goes to show how far we've come in terms of evac procedures. Anyway great watch as always.
And 30+ years after the infamous Saudia Flight 163, British Airways Flight 2276 in 2015 and American Airlines Flight 383 in 2016 caught fire on the ground, but have evacuatated all passengers on time without a single death. This shows that investigators in both accidents have finally learned the lessons from the past about aircraft evacuation procedures during a fire taking hold.
Six months after this incident I was deployed by the U.S. Air Force to this airport with about 600 others to work with the Saudis to monitor the air battle between Iran and Iraq. Their war threatened to expand and include Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Riyadh's airport had a military facility across the field from the civilian terminal. The ELF-ONE mission included E3A Sentry airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft and KC-135 Stratotanker refueling jets. AWACS maintained a 24/7 flight routine that lasted 8 years. But in early 1981 it was just getting started. Unbelievably, that burnt out Saudia Airlines L1011 sat in the spot depicted in this video when I arrived. Our aircraft and passenger jets taxied past the wreakage daily. I was there a few months and it remained. I don't know when, if ever, that horrible mess was cleaned up. But it was a jolting sight to see every day.
Just a friendly note that, for me, 'The ELF ONE ...8 years' paragraph really derailed this otherwise well-written and fascinating read. I just couldn't figure out how to read that first line - do you mean an E3A Sentry Aircraft, equipped w AWACS? Or an E3A Sentry AWACS (airborne warning and control system) aircraft? And I couldn't make heads or tails of AWACS maintaining a flight routine that lasts 8 years. I spent waaaay to long trying to figure it out!😅
As a saudi and a subscriber of yours i was waiting for you to upload this for so long, this remains the saddest most tragic aviation incident in our history and till this day, we wont forget, may their souls rest in peace..
The part about this accidents that hits the hardest is that they landed. Some people, if not all of them, could've walked away from that aircraft that day. Unlike other accidents like Swissair 111 and Valujet 592, Saudia 163 made it to the airport, only to stumble at the finishing lap and cause the deaths of 301 people...
right? That's the stupidest part of this whole thing. They had three whole minutes on the ground after they stopped. No one should've died on this flight.
I don't think ,the poor pilot training is the reason. Even a child knows to get out quickly from anything burning. It's above the lack of training. May be he wanted it that way...
@@dana102083 agreed. I also don't know if the windows sealed or can open. If they can open I can redeem the crews mistakes because that kept trying to get the passengers out Rather than jump to safety/serious injury/death And I said that last one because 9/11 taught me(against my own will) that most humans would rather fall to their death than burn to death. If they are sealed they had no choice but to escape with others. If they could have escaped out the windows though. They die heros. Trying to save the passengers and were overwhelmed with smoke or just the crush of people. Hell even if they just opened the cockpit door and everyone rushed it for some fresh air, and that never made it out of the cockpit. They at lead tried. And didn't try to save themselves
Poorly Trained Pilots, Pilot error and Inflight fire was the crash of the most advanced plane of its time. Rest in peace to the 301 People that lost their lives
What makes you say the training was poor? This is the go-to conclusion whenever there is some kind of human error in any professional context, but I don't think that is fair in this case
As an ex flight attendant on the L1011 in the UK, I can only add that the main doors and their opening mechanism, which sent them into the ceiling, was often quite troubling for me in a potential emergency evacuation. However, the aircraft was a superb flying experience.
So many people don't realise how far a fire can spread in seconds to minutes. It's a lot more common to know today thanks to safety campaigns and video. But back then it wasn't. And also keep in mind this was in the gap in time where loads of things were highly flammable. Before the invention of modern materials fires did travel slower (but still could get out of hand very fast), then we invented modern materials, plastics, etc - the thing is they were super flammable and would burn out of control very quickly. Then by the 80-90s we realised this and learned how to make the modern materials non-flammable, or ditched some entirely. And it's easy to see why people didn't know. We have such good control over fire that we rarely see it's destructive power.
Alas, poor Yorick....we knew him well. His theory that there are no true 'accidents' is bolstered herein. There us folly upon folly, creating a no-win scenario. None could re-write/ re-program. Not Bill S. nor J. Tiberius. Thusly, all is lost. Those souls not going gently into that 'goodnite'. May they and their's somehow find peace, 'cause there's buggar all down here on urth.
They are Arabs. Probably got onto pilot training through family connections. Tribal influence or connections. Muslim cultural norms. Even the fire crews and emergency services are staffed by incompetents who got their jobs through family connections.
The incident was survivable but the three people in the cockpit should never have been near the front of any aircraft, let alone one that carried passenger's. They may not have started the fire but there actions, or lack of them, killed them and everyone else on board.
As a prior flight attendant and now a pilot, this just makes me so nauseous, so sick. From lack of an immediate turn back, to indecision whether to divert and even evacuate, I can only imagine what went through the heads of the cabin crew and passengers. May they rest in peace, no one should have lost their life.
I’m no pilot but I would not discuss the possibility of a fire for 4 and a half minutes and do nothing!! They needed to do something, anything! So sad and entirely preventable 😔😔
"hmm, well this could be a false alarm. Meh, may as well fly on. What are the consequences? If we turn around and it was fake we'll all get very mildly reprimanded, or if it's real, we die. Potato potato. I know, let's debate."
The Japan airlines passengers survived because they listened to their cabin crew in Haneda just like today the Saudian Airliner would of survived, if they left all their luggage behind if there Pilots weren’t that idiotic enough to not make an emergency landing, If passengers begin panicking I would of cancelled my flight and stay in The airport for a long time. I think the Japanese pilot and crew is way more Smart than this one. If you’re gonna be a pilot make sure you know how to save your passengers on time. If not don’t fly the plane.
Mentour is certainly 3rd, in my opinion, but GDA and DB are far and away tops. On Mentour's 2nd channel, Mentour Now!, I was one of the first 100 subscribers.
‘How to become an airliner pilot’, lesson one’; whenever a fire warning occurs, ALWAYS try to land at the nearest airport as soon as possible, no matter what! (Swissair 111 crashed in 1998 because of a fire)
LOL, yeah, this lesson should be numbered 1B after the lesson "1A - how to become an airline pilot" you then go on to "1B - how to keep being an airline pilot" 😀
A bunch have. A UPS 747 crashed after the pilot became incapacitated and the FO missed the approach and was attempting to circle back when the plane finally let go.
If I remember right Swissair was trying to get to the airport but ran out of time. The biggest factor being that the emergency checklist instructed the pilots to turn off the air conditioning which, unbeknownst to them, was keeping the fire somewhat contained, or at least away from the cockpit and vital electronics.
Well, in UPS Flight 6 FOs defence, the cockpit was full of smoke, so he couldn't see where he was or switch the radio to the Dubai tower so they could help.
@@Lurking_Scribbler Didn't he actually overfly the airport as it turns out? And the Captain they believe may have been dead or incapacitated on the floor behind him after getting up to try and continue protecting the flight deck. That FO is an example of truly fighting with his all until the end.
This story reminds me of one I was told by a mentor of mine. This guy flew for Air New Zealand from the DC3 era to the 747, and one of the planes he flew was a Friendship (Fokker f27). On this flight from the north island of New Zealand down to the south, which was just over an hour with a tailwind. Unbeknownst to anyone onboard a passenger's luggage got tossed in the turbulence. This passenger worked on fiberglass boats and had chemicals for fibreglass in his suit case, these chemicals mixed and started a small fire, that quickly burn out but the heat remained, it was just starved of oxygen. They landed and got a fire indicator warning for the luggage compartment (the warning came after landing), and taxied to the gate where they called the fire department and the maintenance crew. The maintenance guys opened the cargo door and got a nice face-full of smoke, but at this point the fire was completely burned out. The fire was totally isolated to the guys suitcase but Needless to say they counted their lucky stars that day. (Side note this story was word of mouth so it might not be entirely true)
Even though the flying crew incompetence is undeniable, the lack of actions on the ground was probably linked to the fact that it was just too late. I think everyone was dead quickly after the plane stopped.
They couldn't know it was to late until they opened the door, which they didn't know how to do. It also didn't help the engines weren't turn off right away.
Plus, not even the worst rescue crew would say, "that looks really bad, there's probably no survivors, we'll just stand around here and assume everyone died. Nothing we could do!
even if you're a doubtful person, the moment the second alarm triggered that would have been enough to start emergency action. its a rare thing to have a faulty alarm, its even more impossible that two would, in succession, trip incorrectly
This is probably the first video I’ve seen from this channel that made me think “Yeah I’m a thousand times better then those pilots” and I routinely forget things.
And then to have the original report say that emergency services were as much to blame as the Captain! It sounds like there inadequate procedures in place for the emergency crew to follow, but I don’t see how their individual actions could be blamed.
@@grmpEqweerWell there is indication they did not understand how the aircraft doors open. How do you work as first responder and have no experience in aircraft fire and no adequate fireproof equipment? Someone that has no equipment and no experience is likely not running inside a burning plane to rescue intoxicated victims. Instead they called out and waited for signs of life. That's just not good enough if that is how you earn a living as a first responder.
@@jcshy If you are a firefighter or first responder you accepted a job that requires you to save people. You earn whether you save somebody or not but shifting responsibility to superiors and extending your hand at the end of the month for the salary while not being able to do your job is a conflict of ethics, specially if your inaction puts other people's safety on the line.
"Staying ahead of the aircraft" means not only seeing what's currently happening but also "seeing", in the mind's eye, what will be happening soon, and having a clear plan for what to do when so as to fly the desired course. In automotive analogy: when I get on I-495N from River Road, heading to Rockville, I know that I will enter in the right lane, and need to take an exit on the left for I-270N. By the time I merge into I-495, I'm already assessing traffic conditions and looking for a way to get left. If traffic is very bad, I'm thinking about my next step if I'm unable to get far enough left before the exit comes. "Getting behind the airplane" is when you lose that future perspective and are just trying to deal with the immediate here-and-now; with no plan, your actions will either be altogether wrong, or wrong by virtue of being too late.
For every plane I've flown, if you have any hint that you might have a fire, smoke, or fumes in the cabin, you initiate a return to the nearest suitable landing site WHILE you run checklists and try to determine whether you actually have a fire, smoke, or fumes. If you determine that you don't, then you continue on your way, as appropriate-and no one will question your conservatism. If you must continue to land, you prepare for immediate evacuation and ask the airport to roll the fire trucks. It's OK to vacate the active runway, but only if it doesn't delay your evacuation.
Your channel is by far my favourite channel on TH-cam Chloe! Growing up, my special interest were airplane accidents, and I forgot about them for several years until stumbling upon your channel a few months ago. It was that feeling of "you don't know you were missing something until you find it". Thank you for your amazing, hard work and for doing justice to the sensitive circumstances around every disaster that you cover.
If the flight crew had immediately declared an emergency and turned back this would have ended very differently. Everyone would have survived. There is no worse emergency than a fire!
What part of seeing a light come on that indicates that there is fire in a cargo hold is not sufficient enough reason to head straight back to the airport? Listening to this episode, and watching the video is making me sweat already!😓
Out of everything that this video recounted, that is the one huge thing that caused all of this. One may say control cables were burnt through, smoke and a lack of oxygen causing panic in the cabin, indicators starting to give false readings, everyone unconscious when the plane finally ground to a halt. Even possibly the brakes not functioning as they should; but all of that could have been mitigated with more time, and turning back immediately would have given them that time. I might even say all the bumbling talk and actions pale in comparison to not turning back right away.
This is an aviation incident (along with Lauda flight 004) that always fascinated me. You have the deadliest incident for the L-1011, in probably the most bizarre reason. A burning plane lands normally, yet all would die. An amazing breakdown of this you have done, and I also can't wait to see Mayday/Air Crash Investigation's version of telling this story.
"Captain, we have an alarm indicating a potential fire onboard." Captain: "Mayday, mayday, mayday, this is flight XYZ requesting vectors back to the airport." THAT is the proper sequence of events.
I absolutely love your usage of horror music by the way. It really fits with the macabre and spooky nature of these stories. Have a Happy and Safe Halloween, Chloe.
I think the ones where theyre having a great flight until the explosion breaks the plane in half or 9 people are suddenly sucked outside keep me awake at night
Chloe!! i have a suggestion of what might be a very interesting video it is the story of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 and there is video of the plane crash. Terrorists hijacked the plane and the pilots actually fought with the hijackers to the very last moment. I think it is a very important footnote in aviation history due to the fact that Hijackings became very common and it really tightened the safety standards concerning hijackings. not only is there video of the crash but also the CVR transcript. i absolutely love the production quality and research of these videos and you have grown a long way with this channel
And one of those "poor haji passengers" from the stone age third world kixxed all the others and destroyed millions of dollars of aircraft and personal property.
I absolutely LOVE the sequence of this format. Rather than the tried (and a bit worn-out) pilot intros, plane intro and teaser so many do, you turned it all on its head for this, and it makes watching a refreshing change of pace. WELL DONE! 👏 👏 👏
@@trustkillxxxx the narrator is Chloe. Shes a trans woman. It's shown in many of her videos both here and her other channel, as well as her Twitter account. She doesnt make a huge deal of it. Nor does it impact the quality of her work 😊. Hope this helps clear your confusion.
It's as bad as Tenerife. The cap'ts impatience caused the accident . Swiss cheese holes: bomb, changing airports, fog, getting disoriented, 2 planes on runway fueling large plane 747, then KLM took off without permission. Then, ,.. crash ! !
I remember reading about this incident many years back and was always baffled how it turned out the way it did. Your narrative actually put out some important but easily overlooked factors, brake failure and the way the Tristar's cabin doors work being two key ones, that really put the event in a perspective that is rather different to how it was normally perceived. For all the faults of the flight crew, and there were a lot to be honest, the tragedy is that by the time the plane touched down, it was already too late for everyone on board. Well done and thoroughly enjoy your work.
Congratulations on a carefully documented and clearly narrated account of why 300 people became flaming candles caused by an air crash precipitated by an incompetent crew. I find no self-serving exploitation in your production whatever. And so I have described and will be a regular viewer from now on.
Your videos are so great. References to sources included in video. I just love it. I wished for a long time people would include their sources for many reasons.
As time has gone on and I have held myself to a higher and higher standard, I really figured it was time to start numbering in video. it took me a while but I think its worth it. I honestly think some of my other recent video would have benefitted greatly from this.
i listened to one of these involving a fire where the captain insisted on going thru a 3 page checklist , last item on the checklist was evacuate passengers . numerous people died waiting for that idiot to finish his paperwork .
Love your direct comment at 32:10 that the media comment regarding the butane stoves "is just Bollocks". It would be good if you could do a report on British European Airways Flight 548. I have studied the AAIB report and it is full of assumptions and blames the Captain (Captain Key) without considering other possibilities such as there was an additional pilot in the jump seat, that had access to the stick pusher over ride lever and an aerosol that would be used by that pilot was found in the footwell was that discharged? ( No one thought Germanwings Flight 9525 could happen but it did) . The AAIB report was influenced by the Board of Trade and Captain Key was scapegoated.
Being burned alive is one of the worst ways to go. The captain is a idiot for not letting all the passengers evacuate. May all the 301 passengers rest in peace ❤
Watch the video, the captain had no autority over the doors once the emergency had started. All of the crew had the authority to open the doors, but most likely there were already incaopacitated by the time the doors could be opened. Also: regardless of what the crew did, they were left to burn by the ground crew who also could have opened the doors from the outside. This was an allround sh*tshow.
@@vinny142you say watch the video but you fail to remember that the engines were on? You know how powerful those are? It would suck anything within 20 meters in and turn it into soup. Even if the passengers opened the doors they’d likely die anyway to the engine. That was a large reason why the ground crews couldn’t approach.
I had heard reports that Bill Curtis suffered from Dyslexia, which prevented him from flying in the US or Europe and possibly effected his ability to find the right checklist for the smoke procedures.
It's a sad story but it's also reminding me of what George Carlin said years ago. Somewhere out there in the world is the world's worst doctor. And somebody has an appointment with him tomorrow.
Reminded me my gastroenterology doctors. The first doctor literally scammed me out of my money, didnt even diagnose me properly, didn't give a correct diagnosis and shoo'd me out by telling me to get an expensive lab test without treating my prior symptoms (the reason why I even stepped in his office in the first place). Anyway the second and third GI doctors werent even good so I took the matter in my own hand (I'm a pharmacist) and self diagnosed myself and I thought it was GERD. I eliminated trigger foods and by the time I'm a little better, I went to a fourth GI doctor and lo and behold, it was GERD and I was right. That means I am more competent than the first doctor I went to.
I flew on the Tristar several times back when I was in Saudi Arabia, so the memory of that tragic accident is still vivid in my mind. I was in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, when a Saudi friend of mine, whose cousin was on that flight, was deeply upset. The atmosphere was heavy as friends gathered at his house to offer condolences. It was a stark reminder of how fragile life can be, and how such tragedies can ripple through entire communities.
I'm ever so sorry. My grandfather on my father's side also flew on Saudia's TriStars over the 1975-1982 period. He even recounted an incident where he was on a Hajj flight from London to Jeddah in 1980 and literally saw a flight attendant confiscate a Butane stove from a passenger who was trying to make a meal. Honestly, of all the air disaster stories, this is the one that gets me hardest in the feels.
A fantastic look at this horrific accident. I really like these long form, in depth videos. I know they take longer but they really add so much quality. Good luck with your surgery when it comes x
The L-1011 is my most absolute favorite plane. No others come close. It was magnificent in its time. Its such a shame theres no more in the air. I'd love to see one up close and personal one day. Thanks for this well researched video, as you always do Chloe!
This is the best breakdown I've seen of this accident, by far. This about what an achievement that is for a you tube channel, when compared with the resources a television network has to work with. This is the first time I learned about which extinguishers were used, and saw a fair/full explanation of the cook stove hypothesis.
Chloe, your documentaries of these accidents are amazingly detailed. Your presentation are thoughtful, concise and respectful. You should be the new voice for Smithsonian Air Crash Investigation or Mayday documentaries. I remember this accident and how unnecessary and horrifying it was. I was 17 at the time and loved the L1011. I had many models of this aircraft. Along with other tri-jets. The DC-10 and 727. I was heartbroken when the L1011 was discontinued later that year. Being young I didn't understand airline economics and had assumed that this accident sealed its fate. Thank you for your detailed explanation of these events. I have learned much from you with every video.
You did an excellent job with this video. It is one of the best aviation disaster videos that I have seen online. Good luck with your upcoming surgery.
First time watcher, immediate subscriber. I really love your narrative style and voice, and you're obviously very well researched. Keep up the good work Chloe! :3
I appreciate how you present and relay these stories. To me and my eyes you're more of a storyteller than a reenactor of air disasters. You seem to have the talent of bringing humanity to these moments, to grab a listener and have them pause. Something that is getting harder and harder everyday. Best of success to you and yours!
You know what the scariest thing I find about this disaster is? If Saudia put 3 bad pilots in one plane, they must've been REALLY desperate for pilots. I just have to imagine how many duds Saudia had in their cockpits, and if Saudia 163 was a disaster just waiting to happen, the seeds being sewn many years before the plane was even built. It's horrifying to think about, really. Had this happened to an airline in the US, the FAA would've revoked their operating certificate. As for the fire... Something in that cargo hold must've gone off. Considering that the pilot requirements were lax, did that also apply to what cargo could be carried? I'm just curious as to whether or not Saudia 163 was like an earlier ValueJet 192, where there was something in the cargo hold that had no business being there. The more I think about this accident, the scarier it becomes...
Ah yes, the blaming of an airline cause they aren’t American 🤦♂️ lots of airlines in the US are dangerous and have many crashes but their safety rating is still very high
@@maxsaviation9512 Not... The point... Point was that ALL THREE PILOTS were GARBAGE. I've heard about crashes where there's one bad pilot, maybe 2, but ALL THREE?! Yeah... That's... That's what makes it disturbing.
@@AutismTakesOn But, the ValueJet pilots were capable. ValueJet was to blame for outsourcing to SabreTech, who packaged fully loaded oxygen canisters and labeled them empty. They were full. Just outdated. The one SabreTech employee is still on the FBI’s most wanted list.
@@nancysaucier294 I... Looked at my comment, and I never said that the ValueJet 192 pilots were bad... I just used that accident as a theory with the fire, only that Saudia 163's pilots wasted precious time. Quite interesting that a SabreTech employee is still on the FBI's most wanted list. That's something interesting!
@@AutismTakesOn I’m sorry- I hope I didn’t sound like I was attacking you. I live in Miami, and I remember that crash so well. And, yes, after SabreTech was closed, one of the 3 employees fled to South America. And ValuJet became another company, and then another. (Still active today)
Horrific story! This might be the first time I've commented on one of your videos but I've been watching for some time and I feel I must commend you for your work. Your production levels have become exemplary! I'm not a content creator myself but notwithstanding that, I think I can imagine the hours upon hours that you must have to put in in order to produce something like this and, IMHO, it's just as good as anything that mainstream media would produce!! Thank you!!
This is the first video I’ve seen from your channel. WOW! It was absolutely incredible! You are very talented and very professional. It takes a lot to put together a well written video of this quality. Job well done!
I had to shut this off. When a mass casualty event happens it is tragic. When it happens due to pure stupidity it is something I can't stomach too well. Every step of this accident was due to human error. A competent crew would've had this plane on the ground 5 minutes after detecting smoke. It is just too disheartening to watch any longer.
I love your content, you do such excellent research and show such immense compassion for the victims of these accidents. Also the whole “it’s just smoke” like what?? Where do you think the smoke is coming from? Good grief.
Been fascinated with this accident for years, I'm a BIG fan of the L1011, I was lucky enough to ride on Delta's final L1011 flight to the desert in 2001. great job Chloe, this is why I joined patreon, keep up the great work!
In 1980s the Hajis they use to carry karocine oil burners so that they can cook their meals during Haj. They do not have these inside cabin but in cargo. Karocine is possible inside cargo in cans.
Excuse me, but the term of the crew "not being very good" was a massive understatement. If I was faced with smoke and FIRE I would not be like "Yeah, its under control".
This incident will forever be burned into my memory, not only because of the Sheer horror and the image of the burned out plane,and the sheer dumb luck that i was born on the 25th anniversary of this Disaster, R.I.P to the 301 passengers and crew on Saudia 163
Well if ever it's appropriate for someone to have a "Blue Sky" page, it's this girl! Well done on the vid yet again, tremendous production quality and research.
The flight engineer was mostly faultless throughout this (though my only source is this video), seems like he didn’t know how to handle the situation. He was trying to figure out what the problem was, and he seemed to be the most willing to turn around at the beginning. I feel bad for him, he could’ve been better if he had more training. Maybe not.
Well he did downplay the situation and didnt have a inch of backbone on him. He went to the passenger cabin twice and didnt find fire yet the flight attendants saw the fire. If only he took the situation more seriously and wasn't walking on eggshells with the captain, he could have realized that their plane was in a seriously bad situation.
my family relative were suppose to board in this plane to Jeddah but their booking was cancelled so they would stay extra with us in Riyadh- what sounded a nonsense actually turned out to be a blessed decision for the family
I was taught that the pilots experienced negative panic and where heard whistling and humming. They did not depressurize the airplane that would have allowed the crew to open the doors. Firefighters where at the pilot windows trying to get the pilots to depressurize the plane. I was also told the flight engineer was so bad that he wasn’t allowed to fly in the U.S.. I was also told the 2 nd officer had dyslexia.
Man, those pilots were much more incompetent than how this video portrays them lol. In the end, its the incompetence, lack of qualification pf the pilots and arrogance of the captain that caused this plane to crash and killed all the passengers.
I've traveled extensively by air, but this channel has truly transformed my perspective. Learning about the meticulous checks and inspections that each flight undergoes has given me a newfound appreciation for everyone involved in the process. And, to be honest, it has also instilled a bit of fear in me about flying.
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Hi Chloe, I love your videos, especially the longer and more information intense ones. I have a cheeky question though! You have such an amazing and enthralling voice, but for the life of me I can't figure out your accent! Did you move around a lot when you were growing up? Hope you don't mind me asking, you just have such an amazingly beautiful voice that is like a lullaby! ❤😂😘
@@rebaland I am from Northumberland, North East England. Lived here my whole life :)
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Why on earth would they have been looking for smoke/fire instructions on an "abnormal" check list???
Smoke or fire are generally considered an emergency.
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That's fascinating, I feel like you have a southern Irish twang in there somewhere! Lol 😂
Just finished watching and love, not just how in depth you go but, (as a layperson) I really appreciate how well you explain it for us non technical people who find it fascinating non the less. I also enjoy the train ones too, do you think you'd ever branch out to ships aswell?
Although I recognise the Geordie/Northumbrian in Chloe’s accent (I live near Newcastle myself), I’ve always thought there were elements of other accents in there - even North American! Very interesting!
…..the fact that EVERYBODY died while the plane was actually on the ground is just mind boggling…
Imagine just a few breaths of hot, thick, pitch black smoke as you struggle to breath…smoke inhalation kills in seconds; exceedingly faster than flames.
Sounds like they died as soon as they landed sadly...
There is a very simple explanation - I thought everyone knew about it already: they did not stop immediately and evacuation did not happen - because there was an important Saudi Arabia "royalty" small airplane in sight on one of the runways - the guidelines said at no point evacuating proceeds when that "royalty" plane is near - they had to overtake it and not stop per guidelines and they did not allow evacuation in sight of that plane because their "jobs" and criminal offences (their relatives can be put to death and charged as well) were in sight. They were more concerned about that "important person" on the runway and him getting away without harm then about the death of hundreds of people.
@@DianaT-ph6izwheres your proof for this statement
@@elijahmohamed457 dozens of articles and news were written about it with people coming forward and testifying to what they saw. Most were afraid to say as much because of the consequences and thus later some retracted their statements. you don't have to wonder twice why. I am surprised it is not better known - just after the disaster everyone knew that as the truth. I guess it has been suppressed. it is a logical explanation too about the crew behaving so oddly and given the nature and politics of the country thy were landing in. I don't want you to believe me and no, I wont provide articles I cannot find now - I am just very surprised that that this explanation which seemed so natural to so many at that time is not better known now.
not taking a fire alarm on a PLANE seriously is INSANE. i work at a school, evacuating with the amount of false alarms we have gets harder each time. but i couldn’t imagine ignoring it if there really IS a fire. that’s fucking terrifying.
I was at school today and to be honest I was in the esthetic’s classroom getting a wax service done and I heard the fire alarm go one good grief if there was a fire alarm and it went on in the school I would of went home already.
I was in a school fure in grade 6. They were doing upgrades (we found out after, inappropriately as they didnt put fire alarms between a new roof going up overtop an old one). I was in class 3 periods before lunch break (we had 50 min classess at the time) and someone in my class smelled burning rubber..then we all smelled it. My.teacher was the principal and he took it seriously and made calls. Classes changed. We had lunch..we put it out of our head. first period after lunch a fire alarm went off and by the time we got outside we rememebered the burning rubber smell..we saw someone hand an extinguisher up a ladder to the roof. 80% of the school was burned that day. 100% were evacuated due to fire alarms working well and everyone taking it seriously. I was behind a fire wall that was shut due to solid practices of teachers. We'd get in trouble propping them open for lunch (we were a very full school, upgrade was needed). But those practices made a difference. It was December 5th 1996. The feeling of cold and watching the school burn was tragic. We had a zoo and most of the animals died. The zoo teacher was handcuffed to the police car as he begged them to let him enter to open cages. I will never forget some of the teAchers screaming "this is a real fIre EVACUATE QUICKLY". I know students that had a room collapse behind them and one area was overcome with smoke..
The teacher with the animals found goodness in his heart again. He was a passionate teacher than never lost the fire to teach. He was real and used every situation to teach. I had him after the fire and hed lose a few tears in class when something he used to teach would comenup but he didnt have the same animal that taught it.. grade 7 science here, learning about stimulus.
Anyway, keep it real:)
Thanks for the therapy :)❤
at my school, false alarms go off like 5 times a week lol it’s so annoying
On a plane, I'd pay attention to a fire alarm, at a school, as a student I'd ignore them _because_ of all the false alarms. I only pay attention to alarms if it doesn't have a history of being a false alarm or if I'm an employee (and therefore obligated to actually pay attention).
@@alex_zetsu and you, my friend, makes my job x10 harder every time the alarm goes off at work. we are legally required to evacuate, just get out and stop wasting the entire staff and student body’s time by being difficult i am BEGGING you.
Never put your three worst pilots on the same aircraft.
I'm not sure they were the worst. There might've been even worse pilots who just happened to never have an in-flight emergency. But yeah, these guys were pretty bad.
As an American, we often take certain things for granted. Like a certain level of professionalism and expertise among those in critical jobs. But sadly this is not the case all over the world.
@@Snapper314 whenever an American pilot working with an airline with safety issues abroad its always an alarming thing, look upon Peter Waxtan from the last vid bout dana air
@@TTFerdinand they where the worst, they lacked situational awareness, professionalism, laziness, and no time of urgency meaning (not moving fast enough in short words) for example "tell them, tell them not to evac" shows a lack of urgency
The hard truth
It really drives home just how critical those first three minutes on the ground were when you remember that an aircraft evacuation is supposed to be completed IN 90 SECONDS.
Well…90 seconds if no one brings their luggage along. There is video of some emergency landings when cell phones were common, including one with a fire in the rear of the plane…..and despite being told to leave them, some people STILL grabbed luggage, including bulky wheeled carry-on bags.
There are pics of people pulling wheeled suitcase away from a commercial passenger plane on fire behind them, and only mainly those near exits got off.
In another incident, a front slide was deflated when someone tossed their carryon luggage on the slide, despite all warnings to leave luggage, leading to injuries in those who came after.
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One contributing factor _may_ be shock. My dad once happened to be the first passer-by on a nasty night time car crash and went to help. He managed to wave down another driver to help as well. The injured driver was bloody and clearly had severe damage to his face and legs but the only thing he cared for was "finding his wallet".
Some people undeniably are just selfish but in fear and shock humans go stupid. It po course is very dangerous!
@@mlisaj1111 f/a. Yes, true, 90 seconds is the safety number.
In my opinion, allowing luggage on board, was an error regarding safety. It started out in part, due to airlines charging more for checked baggage. Naturally, passengers put as much as possible in their carry on, which gradually led to small sized suitcases with wheels, which had the heaviest items stuffed in them.
The best advice is, put everything you can't bear to leave behind, such as wallet, passport, documents, inside your jacket pocket, and in the very rare possibility of an emergency, leave the bag of clothes and gadgets behind, you have what you need. Your life and other lives, depends on those few precious seconds for survival.
@@margaretr5701 Interesting to hear how the carry-on luggage evolved, and Amen to the recommendation that people take just their important documents or small items that won’t slow anyone down.
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Right! Of course it hasn't been said officially, but the ever growing carry on luggage, was easy to observe over time.
And of course, who really wants to check bags in, if you can pack enough in a carry on.😊
I wish all airlines would recommend passengers put small valuables in their pockets, then we might see less luggage in those emergency related video's. Thankfully, they're very rare, statistically, we're still safer in a plane, than a car!
Happy travelling.
This was a horrific accident, the situation in the cabin was unimaginable. Reports after the incident, mentioned the Cabin Crew facing panic from passengers as they rushed forward. I’m an ex flight attendant with 35 experience, my Dad was an airport fire fighter based in the Middle East at the time of the accident, he travelled to Saudi Arabia to assist with the investigation. He showed me photos of the aftermath, the most horrific being those from the cockpit, a flight attendant had entered the flight deck, her body was found on the central control panel underneath numerous passenger bodies. I want to mention the doors, I never operated on the tristar, however I did operate DC10 and 767 aircraft, in order to open the doors, a handle is pulled down , the door then moves into the aircraft before retracting into the upper roof, in normal mode, I would push the door upwards or in automatic, the door will automatically rise with the slide falling out and inflating, even with normal operation, I would have to ask passengers to step back as the door came into the cabin. The majority of bodies from this accident were found piled up at the forward exits, even if some of the flight attendants were attempting to open doors, they were no doubt crushed by passengers or overcome with fumes. I have to say, you are without doubt, the most professional , confident and passionate presenter, I have the upmost respect for you.
Wow, thanks for insight!
So the flight attendant entered the flight deck, followed by panicking passengers rushing in, pinning the pilots into their seats so that no one could get out? Interesting, I've never heard that before, but it does make sense.
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@@DisasterBreakdownanother awesome video Chloe.❤️❤️❤️
@@TTFerdinand They probably thought to follow the flight attendant as she is leading them to exit the plane.
"Just smoke"
Haven't they heard of ' When there's smoke, there's fire.'
And besides, smoke is even more dangerous than flames
Well in the case of an aircraft, smoke could be electrical arcing melting wires. In fact what we perceive as smoke could be vapor coming from a metal exceeding its melting point. Even in daily life smoke doesn't always mean fire but it does mean a chemical reaction is happening.
@@generalmits No matter what's the source. In the air, smoke is **always** an emergency.
Just incomprehensible. There is a technique for decision making when you don’t have complete info called something like “and if you are wrong?”, where you run different scenarios and what could happen if you are wrong about an assumption.
If the answer to any of the scenarios are “and if you are wrong, then you/people die”..you DON’T pursue that option.
The answer to “if I am wrong and it’s NOT only smoke but fire too” is “then we all die” - then the best course of action is to land, if you were wrong about it being an emergency.…then it’s just a delay.
Or common sense works too.
It could be CGI bro. It's prolly just a filter... Look into it bro *Hits blunt and passes it*
I think it's just a good idea to immediately divert/get the plane down as quickly as possible in the event of a fire alarm. You can deal with the potential of it being an erroneous warning later. You DO NOT want to be dealing with a fire at 30 thousand feet in a metal tube. Get down and figure it out later.
Exactly! Why in the hell were they looking for instructions on the "abnormal" instructions? Last time I checked a fire, anywhere on a plane was an EMERGENCY! The level of incompetence is staggering.
Nevertheless, this happened again years later, when Swissair 111 pilots hesitated to make an emergency overweight landing while on fire. Only after SR 111had happened, getting to the ground ASAP was even more emphasized on.
I know of three flights where everyone died because fire was mishandled.
The South African flight possibly carrying weaponry, the Polish airlines where they _thought_ they had time to get to get a decent airport and this one. There are probably more incidents where fire was mishandled.
Seriously, fire, put the airplane on the ground ASAP, I bet they believe fire is a joke and the fire extinguisher system will promptly take care of it 100%
@@lgerigkYeah that was definately a tragic flight if ever there was one.
@@randibgood If I worked in the control tower and someone was chewing out a pilot for turning around because of a "presumed fire emergency", I'd just butt in and tell them they have permission to land and I'd send the fire trucks anyway even if the flight engineer says there was no need for them. I'm not going to waste precious time questioning whether or not there is a fire on the plane. That defies normal human thinking... Just, just, unbelievable how much incompetence there was. I have no words for that.
I was flying BA to Germany from the UK, only a short hop but one of the cabin crew told the pilot that she thought she could smell smoke. Captain immediately turned back and landed safely. Trust and confidence between the crew was clearly excellent!
The absolutely right decision and shows that horizontal hierarchy is beneficial to all as all reports from crew are taken into account. While not responsible for the flight decisions, the cabin crew is an essential part of flight safety. The crew is the contact point between passengers and pilots and by proxy the ground control.
Yeah but in today's day and age... Where there is smoke, there is... A giant conspiracy behind if it was actually smoke. Maybe some dude was just being a vape god in the back? Or you know...someone CGI'd the 🔥 and maybe the fire is actually transgender.
Look into it bro
@@kohinarec6580 thats why being domineering makes u fail the mental assessment tests of being a pilot
As a massive fan of the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar, its a plane that my family are partial to, this story breaks my heart. Not only is Saudia - Saudi Arabian Airlines Flight 163 a horror story of items that shouldn't be anywhere near a plane, but also of pilots who had no business being onboard, let alone at the controls. May the 301 men, women, children and infants who perished that horrifying night rest in peace.
nah, this plane sucks.
What about the elders??
As a mentour pilot student , great channel u have here❤
The flight engineers record made me laugh and cry at once, paid his own fe training😂
Never heard of a thing, what an airline Saudi was for taking up his offer😂 blew my mind in callous and misguided decision of a billion dollar company hahah. Not😂
Really man I mean u look at one part of Al-Khowyter's record and you'd think you were flying with a pro...over 7500 flight hours at 38 years old flying everything from 707s to DC3 to 737 back to DC9.. but then u read on and realize he's somewhat of a miracle and I don't mean in a good way I mean I really don't understand how he made it anywhere near 7500 flight hours or Captain and by the time he was 38 when some good pilots are still XOs at 58...clearly shows Saudia was seriously lacking at the time in many areas that would render most airlines inert and out of business with no chance of a return but then u got the XO who also had many of the same problems of the captain and Flight Engineer from America born Polish with a name change(absolutely nothing against Polish people I love everybody and your culture and history is endlessly amazing) who along with the XO joins the captain as a pilot who failed at basic things that would probably send most pilots packing and looking for a new career I mean damn it becomes pretty clear Saudia was the doldrums, the depths, the wild west of the airline industry . one that never ever should be possible in something like...The Airline Industry...however I do give a bit of respect to the captain for landing as well as he did with a major emergency stacked on his shoulders, that time they were messing around though could've been the difference....but man this is one of those disasters thats stuck with me the most from my childhood and my granddad,who was a captain at Iberia in the 80s and early 90s, telling me many stories along with assuring my life as a aviation freak, this is most definitely one that I never ever forget...to land and then have everyone die is beyond tragedy and then the souls..301 Jesus man something like this shouldn't even be possible..the captain in particular somehow dodged countless bullets to make it as far as he did but somehow lost his common sense when it was needed most however I do recognize that after they landed it could've been very bad luck that overtook incapacitated them as well
@@trustkillxxxx Yea man I mean while I do like this plane I can never say I love it
My aunt's husband's brother was one of the flight crew members that lost their lives on that flight.
I cannot imagine how horrific it was to hear that one of your relatives basically burned to death.
Hes not qualiied to be in the cockpit
@@ginopanthers5070are you daft and cannot read? ‘flight crew’ not the entire flight crew sit in the cockpit smarty pants
@@ginopanthers5070probably a flight attendant
@@manspeej They said flight crew, not cabin crew.
@@padagrad64 misread
This whole case feels like a tragic example of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory". There were so many opportunities for this tragic loss of life to be prevented if the people in the cockpit were even somewhat competent. The cabin crew, on the other hand, showed incredible bravery and deserved so much better.
Chloe, congrats on building ever-better videos! This tale is so sad. True Story: I'm a flight attendant and in around 1992 in Manilla, on a B747-400, we were boarding the coach cabin and people were complaining of gasoline coming out of the overhead bin and dripping upon them. Upon inspection, a man had brought a gasoline-powered chainsaw on board and it was leaking! We....encouraged him to take it off the plane and to see the agents. Srsly.
.... .... Stupidity is something that never ceases to amaze.
As someone who never experienced flight prior to the changes made after September 11th 2001, stories of the things passengers were just able to bring onboard planes before, are utterly astounding. Imagine trying to explain to TSA that yeah, your hand luggage is a CHAINSAW...????
Who’s Chloe?
@@roslynaubrey7766the name of the lady running the Disaster Breakdown channel
The gas FUMES are extremely flammable. A spark from synthetic clothing you can't even see could do it.
Utterly mind-boggling how incompetent the three men flying the plane were.
RIP to all the passengers and flight attendants who perished in this completely preventable disaster.
True, but then again the ground crew just sat there and watched it burn for half an hour, they were not exactly of the hig-IQ variety either.
@vinny142 they had to chase the plane down and then wait for the engines to be shut down before they could do anything. By that time im certain the people in the back of the plane were dead. Given it took so long to open the doors, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the pressure differential was too great so they had to wait for the fire to depressurize the plane. There wasn't anything they could have done. It's very telling the pilots still had their belts on to just how fast people were overcome inside the plane.
I'm surprised that the pilots could land the plane.
IQs in general are VERY LOW in these countries, 59 to 89 max...due to hundreds of years of 1st cousin marriages, ask the WHO statistics! @@vinny142
@@vinny142 ???? Fire started in the back, the pilots are at the front of the plane, dead with seatbelts still fastened. Clearly everyone died during the landing
Moral of the story: Always get into action for your own safety even when a problem you encounter is minor, because you'll never know if/when the small problem can become serious enough to put your life in jeopardy.
Once heard a fite alarm on 3rd floor of piblic building. BELIEVE ME. i was OUT in 30 seconds. Nothing wrong, and i wasnt going to be there if there was.
That and like, majority of people nowadays lack common sense. I do not trust them. The amount of people who smoke while pumping gasoline and genuinely don't understand why that is dangerous is baffling.
Once had a guy try to fist fight me over it. Like. If you want to take yourself out go for it. But don't expect others to want to go with you smfh.
Comparing this accident and the evacuation of Air France 358 really goes to show how far we've come in terms of evac procedures. Anyway great watch as always.
Absolutely, and thanks!
And 30+ years after the infamous Saudia Flight 163, British Airways Flight 2276 in 2015 and American Airlines Flight 383 in 2016 caught fire on the ground, but have evacuatated all passengers on time without a single death. This shows that investigators in both accidents have finally learned the lessons from the past about aircraft evacuation procedures during a fire taking hold.
To be fair there were several other evacuations around and before this accident that went well.
I'd say the issue is more demographical than procedural...
Going to Haj is not worth it. ✈️🛩🛫🛬
Six months after this incident I was deployed by the U.S. Air Force to this airport with about 600 others to work with the Saudis to monitor the air battle between Iran and Iraq. Their war threatened to expand and include Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
Riyadh's airport had a military facility across the field from the civilian terminal.
The ELF-ONE mission included E3A Sentry airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft and KC-135 Stratotanker refueling jets. AWACS maintained a 24/7 flight routine that lasted 8 years.
But in early 1981 it was just getting started. Unbelievably, that burnt out Saudia Airlines L1011 sat in the spot depicted in this video when I arrived. Our aircraft and passenger jets taxied past the wreakage daily.
I was there a few months and it remained. I don't know when, if ever, that horrible mess was cleaned up. But it was a jolting sight to see every day.
Wow that's insane thanks for sharing!
Was still there in 1994.
Thank you for your service
Damn. That's horrific
Just a friendly note that, for me, 'The ELF ONE ...8 years' paragraph really derailed this otherwise well-written and fascinating read. I just couldn't figure out how to read that first line - do you mean an E3A Sentry Aircraft, equipped w AWACS? Or an E3A Sentry AWACS (airborne warning and control system) aircraft? And I couldn't make heads or tails of AWACS maintaining a flight routine that lasts 8 years. I spent waaaay to long trying to figure it out!😅
As a saudi and a subscriber of yours i was waiting for you to upload this for so long, this remains the saddest most tragic aviation incident in our history and till this day, we wont forget, may their souls rest in peace..
The part about this accidents that hits the hardest is that they landed. Some people, if not all of them, could've walked away from that aircraft that day. Unlike other accidents like Swissair 111 and Valujet 592, Saudia 163 made it to the airport, only to stumble at the finishing lap and cause the deaths of 301 people...
right? That's the stupidest part of this whole thing. They had three whole minutes on the ground after they stopped. No one should've died on this flight.
agreed!!! they should have done an immediate evacuation, they had seconds to think when they landed
I don't think ,the poor pilot training is the reason. Even a child knows to get out quickly from anything burning. It's above the lack of training. May be he wanted it that way...
@@uniqueurleither thatbor they cpuldmt open the doors..id like to consider the latter..
@@dana102083 agreed. I also don't know if the windows sealed or can open.
If they can open I can redeem the crews mistakes because that kept trying to get the passengers out
Rather than jump to safety/serious injury/death
And I said that last one because 9/11 taught me(against my own will) that most humans would rather fall to their death than burn to death.
If they are sealed they had no choice but to escape with others. If they could have escaped out the windows though. They die heros. Trying to save the passengers and were overwhelmed with smoke or just the crush of people. Hell even if they just opened the cockpit door and everyone rushed it for some fresh air, and that never made it out of the cockpit.
They at lead tried. And didn't try to save themselves
Poorly Trained Pilots, Pilot error and Inflight fire was the crash of the most advanced plane of its time.
Rest in peace to the 301 People that lost their lives
What makes you say the training was poor? This is the go-to conclusion whenever there is some kind of human error in any professional context, but I don't think that is fair in this case
@@rowanrosenberg3945That was in the report.
Technically speaking the plane didn't even crash. Maybe that's what makes this disaster so unbelievably tragic.
@@rowanrosenberg3945 it's quite easy to look stupid if you do not even bother to read up
@@rowanrosenberg3945 They couldn't find the checklist for this situation. It probably should have been a memory item.
As an ex flight attendant on the L1011 in the UK, I can only add that the main doors and their opening mechanism, which sent them into the ceiling, was often quite troubling for me in a potential emergency evacuation. However, the aircraft was a superb flying experience.
"... a superb flying experience." Except when engulfed in flames.
@@ccmd2188dude that’s any plane
@@SparklRebelNah man, every other plane flies just fine while engulfed in flames, idk what you're talking about
This event has had me scratching my head since it happened. How could anybody be that dumb and reckless? A completely unnecessary tragedy.☮️
So many people don't realise how far a fire can spread in seconds to minutes. It's a lot more common to know today thanks to safety campaigns and video. But back then it wasn't.
And also keep in mind this was in the gap in time where loads of things were highly flammable. Before the invention of modern materials fires did travel slower (but still could get out of hand very fast), then we invented modern materials, plastics, etc - the thing is they were super flammable and would burn out of control very quickly. Then by the 80-90s we realised this and learned how to make the modern materials non-flammable, or ditched some entirely.
And it's easy to see why people didn't know. We have such good control over fire that we rarely see it's destructive power.
Alas, poor Yorick....we knew him well. His theory that there are no true 'accidents' is bolstered herein. There us folly upon folly, creating a no-win scenario. None could re-write/ re-program. Not Bill S. nor J. Tiberius. Thusly, all is lost. Those souls not going gently into that 'goodnite'. May they and their's somehow find peace, 'cause there's buggar all down here on urth.
I suspect that the flight crew's last decisions were influenced by low oxygen.
They are Arabs. Probably got onto pilot training through family connections. Tribal influence or connections. Muslim cultural norms.
Even the fire crews and emergency services are staffed by incompetents who got their jobs through family connections.
The incident was survivable but the three people in the cockpit should never have been near the front of any aircraft, let alone one that carried passenger's. They may not have started the fire but there actions, or lack of them, killed them and everyone else on board.
As a prior flight attendant and now a pilot, this just makes me so nauseous, so sick. From lack of an immediate turn back, to indecision whether to divert and even evacuate, I can only imagine what went through the heads of the cabin crew and passengers. May they rest in peace, no one should have lost their life.
I’m no pilot but I would not discuss the possibility of a fire for 4 and a half minutes and do nothing!! They needed to do something, anything! So sad and entirely preventable 😔😔
"hmm, well this could be a false alarm. Meh, may as well fly on. What are the consequences? If we turn around and it was fake we'll all get very mildly reprimanded, or if it's real, we die. Potato potato. I know, let's debate."
When the kerb is 20,000 feet down, you can't just cross your fingers.
exactly!!
The Japan airlines passengers survived because they listened to their cabin crew in Haneda just like today the Saudian Airliner would of survived, if they left all their luggage behind if there Pilots weren’t that idiotic enough to not make an emergency landing, If passengers begin panicking I would of cancelled my flight and stay in The airport for a long time.
I think the Japanese pilot and crew is way more Smart than this one.
If you’re gonna be a pilot make sure you know how to save your passengers on time. If not don’t fly the plane.
You and Green Dot Aviation are by FAR the best at these amazing investigative productions.
Thank you.
Don't forget 'Mentour' & Smithsonian's series. Captain Joe is always fun. Chloe is The Bomb tho. ;}
Mentour is certainly 3rd, in my opinion, but GDA and DB are far and away tops.
On Mentour's 2nd channel, Mentour Now!, I was one of the first 100 subscribers.
feel like that GDA focuses more on non fatal accidents lately... still intresting but im here for the real beef
definitely at aviation incidents, there are other channels that do other incidents that are good tho
@@PrettyVacant45988who’s Chloe?
‘How to become an airliner pilot’, lesson one’; whenever a fire warning occurs, ALWAYS try to land at the nearest airport as soon as possible, no matter what!
(Swissair 111 crashed in 1998 because of a fire)
LOL, yeah, this lesson should be numbered 1B after the lesson "1A - how to become an airline pilot" you then go on to "1B - how to keep being an airline pilot" 😀
A bunch have. A UPS 747 crashed after the pilot became incapacitated and the FO missed the approach and was attempting to circle back when the plane finally let go.
If I remember right Swissair was trying to get to the airport but ran out of time. The biggest factor being that the emergency checklist instructed the pilots to turn off the air conditioning which, unbeknownst to them, was keeping the fire somewhat contained, or at least away from the cockpit and vital electronics.
Well, in UPS Flight 6 FOs defence, the cockpit was full of smoke, so he couldn't see where he was or switch the radio to the Dubai tower so they could help.
@@Lurking_Scribbler Didn't he actually overfly the airport as it turns out? And the Captain they believe may have been dead or incapacitated on the floor behind him after getting up to try and continue protecting the flight deck. That FO is an example of truly fighting with his all until the end.
This story reminds me of one I was told by a mentor of mine. This guy flew for Air New Zealand from the DC3 era to the 747, and one of the planes he flew was a Friendship (Fokker f27). On this flight from the north island of New Zealand down to the south, which was just over an hour with a tailwind. Unbeknownst to anyone onboard a passenger's luggage got tossed in the turbulence. This passenger worked on fiberglass boats and had chemicals for fibreglass in his suit case, these chemicals mixed and started a small fire, that quickly burn out but the heat remained, it was just starved of oxygen. They landed and got a fire indicator warning for the luggage compartment (the warning came after landing), and taxied to the gate where they called the fire department and the maintenance crew. The maintenance guys opened the cargo door and got a nice face-full of smoke, but at this point the fire was completely burned out. The fire was totally isolated to the guys suitcase but Needless to say they counted their lucky stars that day. (Side note this story was word of mouth so it might not be entirely true)
Yeah, Chloe's voice is one of the things that sets this channel from the others.
Even though the flying crew incompetence is undeniable, the lack of actions on the ground was probably linked to the fact that it was just too late. I think everyone was dead quickly after the plane stopped.
In the back of the plane without a doubt. Once Curtis opened the cabin door (if he even got that far) im guessing the pilots were quickly overcome.
They couldn't know it was to late until they opened the door, which they didn't know how to do. It also didn't help the engines weren't turn off right away.
or shortly after the engines were shut down
Plus, not even the worst rescue crew would say, "that looks really bad, there's probably no survivors, we'll just stand around here and assume everyone died. Nothing we could do!
The pilots were still strapped in their seats. They definitely died soon after the plane stopped.
even if you're a doubtful person, the moment the second alarm triggered that would have been enough to start emergency action. its a rare thing to have a faulty alarm, its even more impossible that two would, in succession, trip incorrectly
This is probably the first video I’ve seen from this channel that made me think “Yeah I’m a thousand times better then those pilots” and I routinely forget things.
Surplus Saudi failsons got to get a job somewhere
Not really a high bar lmfao
@@mysteryman2628 the bar is so low, that it would have melted from how deep in the earth it is
I keep thinking of the Dunning-Kruger effect
Can’t believe they were only 20 miles away from safety at the earliest point.
Great video thanks Chloe.
Wow thank you!!!
I cant imagine the emergency crews having to remove that many remains. The PTSD they must have faced.
And then to have the original report say that emergency services were as much to blame as the Captain! It sounds like there inadequate procedures in place for the emergency crew to follow, but I don’t see how their individual actions could be blamed.
It was less their actions, more equipment and training.
@@grmpEqweerWell there is indication they did not understand how the aircraft doors open. How do you work as first responder and have no experience in aircraft fire and no adequate fireproof equipment? Someone that has no equipment and no experience is likely not running inside a burning plane to rescue intoxicated victims. Instead they called out and waited for signs of life. That's just not good enough if that is how you earn a living as a first responder.
@@picketfthat’s on those above them, you can’t blame the workers themselves for inadequate training & equipment
@@jcshy If you are a firefighter or first responder you accepted a job that requires you to save people. You earn whether you save somebody or not but shifting responsibility to superiors and extending your hand at the end of the month for the salary while not being able to do your job is a conflict of ethics, specially if your inaction puts other people's safety on the line.
"Staying ahead of the aircraft" means not only seeing what's currently happening but also "seeing", in the mind's eye, what will be happening soon, and having a clear plan for what to do when so as to fly the desired course. In automotive analogy: when I get on I-495N from River Road, heading to Rockville, I know that I will enter in the right lane, and need to take an exit on the left for I-270N. By the time I merge into I-495, I'm already assessing traffic conditions and looking for a way to get left. If traffic is very bad, I'm thinking about my next step if I'm unable to get far enough left before the exit comes. "Getting behind the airplane" is when you lose that future perspective and are just trying to deal with the immediate here-and-now; with no plan, your actions will either be altogether wrong, or wrong by virtue of being too late.
Such a tragic event. Wonderful work Chloe. Your quality and dedication to these videos really shows. Keep up the amazing work! 🎉
Thank you for watching!
I second that ❤
@@DisasterBreakdown wishing you a fast recovery from your surgery. ❤️🩹
For every plane I've flown, if you have any hint that you might have a fire, smoke, or fumes in the cabin, you initiate a return to the nearest suitable landing site WHILE you run checklists and try to determine whether you actually have a fire, smoke, or fumes. If you determine that you don't, then you continue on your way, as appropriate-and no one will question your conservatism. If you must continue to land, you prepare for immediate evacuation and ask the airport to roll the fire trucks. It's OK to vacate the active runway, but only if it doesn't delay your evacuation.
Your channel is by far my favourite channel on TH-cam Chloe! Growing up, my special interest were airplane accidents, and I forgot about them for several years until stumbling upon your channel a few months ago. It was that feeling of "you don't know you were missing something until you find it". Thank you for your amazing, hard work and for doing justice to the sensitive circumstances around every disaster that you cover.
Wow! Thank you so much for watching!
@emiliakazak Same. You articulate the sensation accurately.
If the flight crew had immediately declared an emergency and turned back this would have ended very differently. Everyone would have survived. There is no worse emergency than a fire!
A missile strike is really, really bad.
What part of seeing a light come on that indicates that there is fire in a cargo hold is not sufficient enough reason to head straight back to the airport?
Listening to this episode, and watching the video is making me sweat already!😓
Out of everything that this video recounted, that is the one huge thing that caused all of this. One may say control cables were burnt through, smoke and a lack of oxygen causing panic in the cabin, indicators starting to give false readings, everyone unconscious when the plane finally ground to a halt. Even possibly the brakes not functioning as they should; but all of that could have been mitigated with more time, and turning back immediately would have given them that time. I might even say all the bumbling talk and actions pale in comparison to not turning back right away.
This is an aviation incident (along with Lauda flight 004) that always fascinated me. You have the deadliest incident for the L-1011, in probably the most bizarre reason. A burning plane lands normally, yet all would die. An amazing breakdown of this you have done, and I also can't wait to see Mayday/Air Crash Investigation's version of telling this story.
Your breakdown of this was way more comprehensive than one I watched literally a few days ago.
"Captain, we have an alarm indicating a potential fire onboard."
Captain: "Mayday, mayday, mayday, this is flight XYZ requesting vectors back to the airport."
THAT is the proper sequence of events.
I absolutely love your usage of horror music by the way. It really fits with the macabre and spooky nature of these stories. Have a Happy and Safe Halloween, Chloe.
Thank you!
The ones where the disaster was potentially preventable are the worst. So painful to listen to.
Thanks for another amazing breakdown Chloe
Since pilots did not don O2 masks maybe they were incapacitated already not able to shut engine down. run one shut one. Evacuate.
I think the ones where theyre having a great flight until the explosion breaks the plane in half or 9 people are suddenly sucked outside keep me awake at night
Chloe!! i have a suggestion of what might be a very interesting video it is the story of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 and there is video of the plane crash. Terrorists hijacked the plane and the pilots actually fought with the hijackers to the very last moment. I think it is a very important footnote in aviation history due to the fact that Hijackings became very common and it really tightened the safety standards concerning hijackings. not only is there video of the crash but also the CVR transcript. i absolutely love the production quality and research of these videos and you have grown a long way with this channel
Its interesting you bring that up... 👀
@@DisasterBreakdownoooohhhh we're getting a flight 961 vid! 👏👏👏
@@DisasterBreakdown YAY!
Those poor passengers. They had every chance of surviving, but the incompetence of the flight deck crew, sealed their fate.
And one of those "poor haji passengers" from the stone age third world kixxed all the others and destroyed millions of dollars of aircraft and personal property.
Definitely an accident that had me puzzled as a child on why no emergency evac was immediately started thank you for giving a clear answer
I absolutely LOVE the sequence of this format. Rather than the tried (and a bit worn-out) pilot intros, plane intro and teaser so many do, you turned it all on its head for this, and it makes watching a refreshing change of pace. WELL DONE! 👏 👏 👏
Thank you for the video Chloe, what happened should never happen again
Hope you like the video!
whos chloe? narrator is dude
@@trustkillxxxx she's a girl named Chloe. Not a guy
@@trustkillxxxx the narrator is Chloe. Shes a trans woman. It's shown in many of her videos both here and her other channel, as well as her Twitter account. She doesnt make a huge deal of it. Nor does it impact the quality of her work 😊. Hope this helps clear your confusion.
oh wow... thats pretty cool.. Love the content. thankx for clarification @@adriennewilson7192
This must be one of the saddest airline accidents ever - God bless them.
It's as bad as Tenerife. The cap'ts impatience caused the accident . Swiss cheese holes: bomb, changing airports, fog, getting disoriented, 2 planes on runway fueling large plane 747, then KLM took off without permission. Then, ,.. crash ! !
I remember reading about this incident many years back and was always baffled how it turned out the way it did. Your narrative actually put out some important but easily overlooked factors, brake failure and the way the Tristar's cabin doors work being two key ones, that really put the event in a perspective that is rather different to how it was normally perceived. For all the faults of the flight crew, and there were a lot to be honest, the tragedy is that by the time the plane touched down, it was already too late for everyone on board. Well done and thoroughly enjoy your work.
Congratulations on a carefully documented and clearly narrated account of why 300 people became flaming candles caused by an air crash precipitated by an incompetent crew. I find no self-serving exploitation in your production whatever. And so I have described and will be a regular viewer from now on.
Your videos are so great. References to sources included in video. I just love it. I wished for a long time people would include their sources for many reasons.
As time has gone on and I have held myself to a higher and higher standard, I really figured it was time to start numbering in video. it took me a while but I think its worth it. I honestly think some of my other recent video would have benefitted greatly from this.
i listened to one of these involving a fire where the captain insisted on going thru a 3 page checklist , last item on the checklist was evacuate passengers . numerous people died waiting for that idiot to finish his paperwork .
Love your direct comment at 32:10 that the media comment regarding the butane stoves "is just Bollocks".
It would be good if you could do a report on British European Airways Flight 548. I have studied the AAIB report and it is full of assumptions and blames the Captain (Captain Key) without considering other possibilities such as there was an additional pilot in the jump seat, that had access to the stick pusher over ride lever and an aerosol that would be used by that pilot was found in the footwell was that discharged? ( No one thought Germanwings Flight 9525 could happen but it did) . The AAIB report was influenced by the Board of Trade and Captain Key was scapegoated.
She has a video on BEA Flight 548.
This is the best and most thorough coverage I have ever seen of this incident! Very well done, Thank you
Being burned alive is one of the worst ways to go. The captain is a idiot for not letting all the passengers evacuate. May all the 301 passengers rest in peace ❤
Watch the video, the captain had no autority over the doors once the emergency had started. All of the crew had the authority to open the doors, but most likely there were already incaopacitated by the time the doors could be opened.
Also: regardless of what the crew did, they were left to burn by the ground crew who also could have opened the doors from the outside.
This was an allround sh*tshow.
@@vinny142you say watch the video but you fail to remember that the engines were on? You know how powerful those are? It would suck anything within 20 meters in and turn it into soup. Even if the passengers opened the doors they’d likely die anyway to the engine. That was a large reason why the ground crews couldn’t approach.
Most or all were dead before the fire touched them 💯
Probably expired from inhaling toxic fumes.
I had heard reports that Bill Curtis suffered from Dyslexia, which prevented him from flying in the US or Europe and possibly effected his ability to find the right checklist for the smoke procedures.
It's a sad story but it's also reminding me of what George Carlin said years ago. Somewhere out there in the world is the world's worst doctor. And somebody has an appointment with him tomorrow.
Probably my doctor
Reminded me my gastroenterology doctors. The first doctor literally scammed me out of my money, didnt even diagnose me properly, didn't give a correct diagnosis and shoo'd me out by telling me to get an expensive lab test without treating my prior symptoms (the reason why I even stepped in his office in the first place). Anyway the second and third GI doctors werent even good so I took the matter in my own hand (I'm a pharmacist) and self diagnosed myself and I thought it was GERD. I eliminated trigger foods and by the time I'm a little better, I went to a fourth GI doctor and lo and behold, it was GERD and I was right. That means I am more competent than the first doctor I went to.
I flew on the Tristar several times back when I was in Saudi Arabia, so the memory of that tragic accident is still vivid in my mind. I was in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, when a Saudi friend of mine, whose cousin was on that flight, was deeply upset. The atmosphere was heavy as friends gathered at his house to offer condolences. It was a stark reminder of how fragile life can be, and how such tragedies can ripple through entire communities.
sorry for your loss
I'm ever so sorry. My grandfather on my father's side also flew on Saudia's TriStars over the 1975-1982 period. He even recounted an incident where he was on a Hajj flight from London to Jeddah in 1980 and literally saw a flight attendant confiscate a Butane stove from a passenger who was trying to make a meal. Honestly, of all the air disaster stories, this is the one that gets me hardest in the feels.
A fantastic look at this horrific accident.
I really like these long form, in depth videos. I know they take longer but they really add so much quality. Good luck with your surgery when it comes x
Thanks Chloe for all your hard work in producing these videos. All the best from Sydney, Australia.
I've been waiting a long time for you to make a video of this tragic case of events
I like how you handled the crew, giving their faults in a professional way.
The L-1011 is my most absolute favorite plane. No others come close. It was magnificent in its time. Its such a shame theres no more in the air. I'd love to see one up close and personal one day. Thanks for this well researched video, as you always do Chloe!
Mine too..I was on the L1011 retirement flight at Delta in 2001
There is still one flying, though not as a commerical aircraft.
This is the best breakdown I've seen of this accident, by far. This about what an achievement that is for a you tube channel, when compared with the resources a television network has to work with. This is the first time I learned about which extinguishers were used, and saw a fair/full explanation of the cook stove hypothesis.
Chloe, your documentaries of these accidents are amazingly detailed. Your presentation are thoughtful, concise and respectful. You should be the new voice for Smithsonian Air Crash Investigation or Mayday documentaries. I remember this accident and how unnecessary and horrifying it was. I was 17 at the time and loved the L1011. I had many models of this aircraft. Along with other tri-jets. The DC-10 and 727. I was heartbroken when the L1011 was discontinued later that year. Being young I didn't understand airline economics and had assumed that this accident sealed its fate. Thank you for your detailed explanation of these events. I have learned much from you with every video.
You did an excellent job with this video. It is one of the best aviation disaster videos that I have seen online. Good luck with your upcoming surgery.
First time watcher, immediate subscriber. I really love your narrative style and voice, and you're obviously very well researched. Keep up the good work Chloe! :3
I appreciate how you present and relay these stories. To me and my eyes you're more of a storyteller than a reenactor of air disasters. You seem to have the talent of bringing humanity to these moments, to grab a listener and have them pause. Something that is getting harder and harder everyday.
Best of success to you and yours!
You know what the scariest thing I find about this disaster is? If Saudia put 3 bad pilots in one plane, they must've been REALLY desperate for pilots. I just have to imagine how many duds Saudia had in their cockpits, and if Saudia 163 was a disaster just waiting to happen, the seeds being sewn many years before the plane was even built. It's horrifying to think about, really. Had this happened to an airline in the US, the FAA would've revoked their operating certificate.
As for the fire... Something in that cargo hold must've gone off. Considering that the pilot requirements were lax, did that also apply to what cargo could be carried? I'm just curious as to whether or not Saudia 163 was like an earlier ValueJet 192, where there was something in the cargo hold that had no business being there. The more I think about this accident, the scarier it becomes...
Ah yes, the blaming of an airline cause they aren’t American 🤦♂️ lots of airlines in the US are dangerous and have many crashes but their safety rating is still very high
@@maxsaviation9512 Not... The point... Point was that ALL THREE PILOTS were GARBAGE. I've heard about crashes where there's one bad pilot, maybe 2, but ALL THREE?! Yeah... That's... That's what makes it disturbing.
@@AutismTakesOn
But, the ValueJet pilots were capable. ValueJet was to blame for outsourcing to SabreTech, who packaged fully loaded oxygen canisters and labeled them empty. They were full. Just outdated. The one SabreTech employee is still on the FBI’s most wanted list.
@@nancysaucier294 I... Looked at my comment, and I never said that the ValueJet 192 pilots were bad... I just used that accident as a theory with the fire, only that Saudia 163's pilots wasted precious time.
Quite interesting that a SabreTech employee is still on the FBI's most wanted list. That's something interesting!
@@AutismTakesOn
I’m sorry- I hope I didn’t sound like I was attacking you. I live in Miami, and I remember that crash so well. And, yes, after SabreTech was closed, one of the 3 employees fled to South America. And ValuJet became another company, and then another. (Still active today)
How is this not talked about more? This is like the Station Nightclub fire on steroids.
Good luck with your surgery and speedy recovery. Thank you for another informative and thorough presentation.
Horrific story! This might be the first time I've commented on one of your videos but I've been watching for some time and I feel I must commend you for your work. Your production levels have become exemplary! I'm not a content creator myself but notwithstanding that, I think I can imagine the hours upon hours that you must have to put in in order to produce something like this and, IMHO, it's just as good as anything that mainstream media would produce!! Thank you!!
An utterly shocking level of incompetence!
This is the first video I’ve seen from your channel. WOW! It was absolutely incredible! You are very talented and very professional. It takes a lot to put together a well written video of this quality. Job well done!
I remember watching all these disaster videos right before my flight from Honolulu to Bangkok. Don’t watch before you fly
I had to shut this off. When a mass casualty event happens it is tragic. When it happens due to pure stupidity it is something I can't stomach too well. Every step of this accident was due to human error. A competent crew would've had this plane on the ground 5 minutes after detecting smoke. It is just too disheartening to watch any longer.
Nice video as usual Chloe 💯❤❤❤
Loved it
Keep making more such videos
Yay! Thank you!
حادثة مؤسفة كان من الممكن تجنبها. قدّر الله وماشاء فعل، الله يرحمهم ويغفرلهم. Great video and analysis!
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Amazing job as always, and keep being awesome!
I love your content, you do such excellent research and show such immense compassion for the victims of these accidents.
Also the whole “it’s just smoke” like what?? Where do you think the smoke is coming from? Good grief.
It’s incredible that the plane lasted that long… It’s mind boggling how they couldn’t get ANYONE evacuated
Been fascinated with this accident for years, I'm a BIG fan of the L1011, I was lucky enough to ride on Delta's final L1011 flight to the desert in 2001. great job Chloe, this is why I joined patreon, keep up the great work!
Great video Chloe You're the best!
Thank you!
In 1980s the Hajis they use to carry karocine oil burners so that they can cook their meals during Haj. They do not have these inside cabin but in cargo. Karocine is possible inside cargo in cans.
Excuse me, but the term of the crew "not being very good" was a massive understatement. If I was faced with smoke and FIRE I would not be like "Yeah, its under control".
This incident will forever be burned into my memory, not only because of the Sheer horror and the image of the burned out plane,and the sheer dumb luck that i was born on the 25th anniversary of this Disaster, R.I.P to the 301 passengers and crew on Saudia 163
Wow way to make a stupid pun then make it about yourself. F for effort
Thanks for covering this incident. Those poor, poor people
Well if ever it's appropriate for someone to have a "Blue Sky" page, it's this girl! Well done on the vid yet again, tremendous production quality and research.
I love your 45 min videos because it really is a documentary. Thank you.
I like how the Flight Engineer knew what he wanted even though he wasn't good, fine a way to make it work.
He got influenced by his father who's a polish fighter pilot from ww2
The flight engineer was mostly faultless throughout this (though my only source is this video), seems like he didn’t know how to handle the situation. He was trying to figure out what the problem was, and he seemed to be the most willing to turn around at the beginning. I feel bad for him, he could’ve been better if he had more training. Maybe not.
Well he did downplay the situation and didnt have a inch of backbone on him. He went to the passenger cabin twice and didnt find fire yet the flight attendants saw the fire. If only he took the situation more seriously and wasn't walking on eggshells with the captain, he could have realized that their plane was in a seriously bad situation.
my family relative were suppose to board in this plane to Jeddah but their booking was cancelled so they would stay extra with us in Riyadh- what sounded a nonsense actually turned out to be a blessed decision for the family
Great job as usual Chloe!! Keep up the good work😊.
Appreciate the outlook to the future of the channel! Best wishes for surgery!!
What an awful way to go. The fear must've been incomprehensible for those poor people 💔 brilliant channel, tho chole. You're awesome 👌
I was taught that the pilots experienced negative panic and where heard whistling and humming. They did not depressurize the airplane that would have allowed the crew to open the doors. Firefighters where at the pilot windows trying to get the pilots to depressurize the plane. I was also told the flight engineer was so bad that he wasn’t allowed to fly in the U.S.. I was also told the 2 nd officer had dyslexia.
Man, those pilots were much more incompetent than how this video portrays them lol. In the end, its the incompetence, lack of qualification pf the pilots and arrogance of the captain that caused this plane to crash and killed all the passengers.
I could easily see the vibrations of the plane scratching a firestarter together to make sparks until it caused a fire.
thanks for another great video, chloe. sending you well wishes and a speedy recovery after your surgery!
Thanks for the vid as always, very appreciated.
All the best for your surgery, hope everything goes well.
All the best for 2024 and beyond.
I've traveled extensively by air, but this channel has truly transformed my perspective. Learning about the meticulous checks and inspections that each flight undergoes has given me a newfound appreciation for everyone involved in the process. And, to be honest, it has also instilled a bit of fear in me about flying.