Shocking Avianca Flight 052 Crash | Mayday Air Disaster
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- Discover the harrowing final moments of Avianca Flight 052. Battling exhaustion, severe weather, and a critical fuel shortage, this flight's tragic crash on Long Island was a result of a series of air traffic control mistakes. Watch now to learn more.
Mayday Air Disaster S02 E06
00:00 Avianca Flight 052 In Trouble
03:00 Weather and ATC Challenges
05:00 Takeoff and Fuel Calculations
08:00 First Holding Pattern
12:00 Approach Issues at JFK
16:00 Final Approach and Communication Errors
20:00 Running Out of Fuel
24:00 Crash Landing on Long Island
35:00 Rescue Efforts and Survivor Accounts
43:00 Investigation and Blame
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yes go on blame the pilots instead of the head managers who forced the airport to remain open and recieve a dangerous number of planes
They didn't ask for weather. They didn't properly declare a fuel emergency. They didn't communicate the urgency of their landing to the tower controllers and they didn't divert. There are sins on every side of this situation, but yeah, the lion's share goes to those pilots. If you don't have enough personal integrity to stand up and forcefully state what your situation is and then make decisions when you still have time to divert and you have no business being the pilot of even a general aviation aircraft much less commercial.
The pilots clearly deserve SOME (not all, to be sure) of the blame. As has been said over and over in these investigations...accidents are the result of a combination of events/factors.
@@thebarkingmouseyea everyone is at fault. Maybe they shouldnt be pilots but the airline blaming them alone is crazy. Money is on the line for these companies and they just roll with it.
This is just a swiss cheese model situation
@@turbofanloverI’m in
They had plenty of fuel when the they left. The continuing circling set their fate in motion. The pilots lack of aggressively telling them they need to land NOW, didn’t help. This crash never should have happened. The bosses wanting over 30 an hour in inclement weather started all the crap happening. I hope they paid dearly.
Honestly I’m with the crew on this one. They made it absolutely clear to the controllers that they were dangerously low on fuel and they needed priority but the controllers just brushed them off.
The only thing I criticize the pilots for is that they should have called a mayday and declared an emergency after the missed approached. That plus no fuel and the weather that’s too many cheese holes.
It was made clear to the first controller but NOT the second and third controllers.
No unfortunately as a pilot I can’t agree. The crew did not use the required terminology they were trained to use to get the urgent response they wanted. In the end it’s 100% the pilots fault for not diverting before they couldn’t
Agree They should of given a MAY DAY AS IN THIS IS AN EMERGENCY
@@robertgary3561so priority is not the same as Mayday or emergency? So since he didn't say Mayday, he houldn't use his common sense to know priority means emergency? Some of born with your language don't even understand it
@@godloves1821 But it doesn't mean that. Precise language is essential.
This was the most stressful episode by far! Both ATC and pilots could have done things differently, but I feel especially bad for the pilots. They didn’t want to die. They didn’t want to crash.
The fault lies with the boss higher up telling the controllers that they need to put those planes down no matter what, instead of just closing airspace and telling everyone to go to their alternate routes. The weather was nowhere near correct or good enough for planes, and the stress every pilot had to go through was lucky no more planes got into an accident and more loss of life. I bet one of those planes got damaged by not being able to see and not being able to do much, just pray and hope it's not your time or the people on that plane. But all this could have been avoided if not for the boss putting stress on the tower, then on the pilots and the crew that had to walk and get into an accident with the plane being unstable or the tower being more honest and telling them that the weather is bad, that the hold was at least an hour, and that most pilots that tried to land failed and had to go around. Like that, the captain has more options and not thinking that they were most likely good and most likely his boss for the company that he flies for gets some type of wright down for going to a alternate route specially main route was open and he had fuel so he would’ve been told. Why didn’t he wait? They all ways blame the bottom of the chain and then the top gets some type of talk but nothing like the person just trying to follow rules and protocol
It's certainly up there. I think THE most stressful episode is Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961. That was another out-of-fuel situation, but rather than weather and miscommunication, it was caused by hijackers forcing the pilot at gunpoint to fly somewhere they couldn't reach.
@@jorgeaspera The pilots never use the word "mayday" every pilot is trained to use the word "mayday", the atc had no reason to believe an emergency was occurring because "mayday" was never called.
@@MegaLokopo I know all about this flight. I live right near the accident. I wasn't alive near it, but I live right near it. It ran out of fuel and it was so dark outside so that they didn't see a hill. It crashed in oyster Bay Cove, Long Island, New York.
@@MegaLokopo and the pilots never called Mayday because they never saw the hill. It was too dark outside outside. They had no reason to call Mayday because they never knew they were going down.
I just can't imagine flying on fumes, when I'm in my car and I'm sucking vapour I lose my mind trying to get to the nearest gas station.
This is a whole new level of fckn crazy.
The fault lies with the boss higher up telling the controllers that they need to put those planes down no matter what, instead of just closing airspace and telling everyone to go to their alternate routes. The weather was nowhere near correct or good enough for planes, and the stress every pilot had to go through was lucky no more planes got into an accident and more loss of life. I bet one of those planes got damaged by not being able to see and not being able to do much, just pray and hope it's not your time or the people on that plane. But all this could have been avoided if not for the boss putting stress on the tower, then on the pilots and the crew that had to walk and get into an accident with the plane being unstable or the tower being more honest and telling them that the weather is bad, that the hold was at least an hour, and that most pilots that tried to land failed and had to go around. Like that, the captain has more options and not thinking that they were most likely good and most likely his boss for the company that he flies for gets some type of wright down for going to a alternate route specially main route was open and he had fuel so he would’ve been told. Why didn’t he wait? They all ways blame the bottom of the chain and then the top gets some type of talk but nothing like the person just trying to follow rules and protocol
The words of one of the survivors at the very end are so powerful and emotional.😭💔
yeah, specially the last one... can't believe a plane would crash just because of one word. pretty crazy.
@@katecasta7364 It's not "because of one word". It's because the pilots didn't properly communicate that they were about to run out of fuel because they didn't speak English well enough. Saying "mayday" would've been the best, but even if the pilots had actually said "we only have about 10 minutes of fuel remaining" that would've helped as well...
This is absolutely THE worst, most frustrating air crash that should never have happened...bar none! Every time they were handed off to a new controller, I cringed and wanted the crew to tell "No! We are not going to hold! We're out of gas!" They at least should have called "Mayday!" That being said, what part of "we are running out of gas!" did controllers not understand??
They were trained differently in Colombia. All pilots should learn aviation English so something like this doesn't happen again. Mayday Mayday Mayday fuel emergency should have been said by the pilots.
@@sharmilasoomair568 I agree! Although I honestly don't blame the pilots as much as the ATC. The controllers should have realized the dire situation the flight was in the second they said they were running out of gas and should not have kept placing them in a holding pattern.
@@scootermom1791 The pilots said that they were running out of fuel and to make them a priority. They never said Mayday Mayday we have an emergency so ATC couldn't tell that that something was wrong. If they had used the word EMERGENCY and tell them that they can't be put on hold anymore, only then,ATC would have given them clearance to land. Once something is wrong and the pilots need to land an airplane, they must say we have an emergency Mayday Mayday Mayday..
The fault lies with the boss higher up telling the controllers that they need to put those planes down no matter what, instead of just closing airspace and telling everyone to go to their alternate routes. The weather was nowhere near correct or good enough for planes, and the stress every pilot had to go through was lucky no more planes got into an accident and more loss of life. I bet one of those planes got damaged by not being able to see and not being able to do much, just pray and hope it's not your time or the people on that plane. But all this could have been avoided if not for the boss putting stress on the tower, then on the pilots and the crew that had to walk and get into an accident with the plane being unstable or the tower being more honest and telling them that the weather is bad, that the hold was at least an hour, and that most pilots that tried to land failed and had to go around. Like that, the captain has more options and not thinking that they were most likely good and most likely his boss for the company that he flies for gets some type of wright down for going to a alternate route specially main route was open and he had fuel so he would’ve been told. Why didn’t he wait? They all ways blame the bottom of the chain and then the top gets some type of talk but nothing like the person just trying to follow rules and protocol
@@jorgeaspera there were a lot of factors involved that led up to this accident. The thing I don't like about the outcome of the investigation is that ATC AND the people in charge of ATC weren't held accountable for their actions either.
We lived out on Long Island and sitting by out pool on summer nights we watched all the planes in holding patterns. It wasn't a calm feeling.
It’s amazing how good the acting is on these docs. It’s on display in this doc alone this cockpit is believably 3 Colombian commercial pilots. The air traffic control was good too.
Oh but the script is so bad. Unless they’re quoted from a voice recorder the script doesn’t sound like we talk at all. And runway numbers are always said wrong
@@robertgary3561 they usually use the cvr recordings in mayday for the pilot actors script so high chance it is what they actually said
@@dbzdrag0n they seem to dumb it down and certainly add drama. We don’t sound panics. But there are no two digit numbers in aviation. No runway “thirty two” only runway “three two”.
This by far was the hardest episode to watch, I’ve never been so frustrated and terrified watching any of these
In July 1990, Avianca offered $75,000 to each crash survivor or the relatives of those killed. The U.S. government eventually joined Avianca and reached a settlement estimated at over $200 million in damages to the victims.
The same summer, Avianca flights declared two notable fuel emergencies. The first happened in June, when a flight declared a "minimum fuel situation" and landed with only 10 minutes' worth of fuel left. The second happened in August, when Avianca Flight 020 declared it had "only 15 minutes of fuel left". Confusion arose as to what the pilot meant, but controllers declared an emergency pre-emptively and cleared the plane to land immediately. The flight was later found to have had over two hours' worth of fuel remaining.
That last story 😂
Hmmm…
Maybe they should train their pilots to speak and understand better Eng!
controllers can also declare an emergency, if they think it's necessary.
I read the pilot spoke poor English… and the copilot never used/said the word EMERGENCY, when the pilot asked him to inform and talk to the control tower
The controllers could have asked the pilots if they are declaring an emergency just to be on the safe side.
The controllers should have known that holding so many planes in so many holding patterns due to weather might cause a possible low fuel conditions on some of those planes. So it would be prudent to ask if they are declaring an emergency if the controller hears a pilot says they are running out of fuel.
The pilot could have declared an emergency as well.
@sassytbc7923 he thought it had been declared. he didn't speak good English and as they explain in Columbia priority means 1st and they were saying they were running out. had air traffic just asked are you declaring an emergency the first officer may have realized the error in his aviation English and said yes
Running low on fuel doesn't sound like an emergency. Mayday mayday mayday we have a fuel emergency would get ATC to react differently.
@@sassytbc7923 The point of the argument isn't to make the pilots blameless, it's to point out how ATC wasn't completely blameless in this scenario.
@@ArcaneSnowflake He should have relied on his training and used the word "mayday". I know for a fact it was brought up many times during these pilots training.
One word for ATC:
Incompetence
What did they do wrong? The pilots never declared an emergency, "Mayday" was not used an emergency was not declared. As far as ATC new they were low on fuel, which could easily mean they had an hour left.
How can they not find any fault with air controllers when they passed this plane off to 4-5 traffic controllers, but I didn’t hear 1 of them say they are low on fuel.
The pilots never declared an emergency. The word "mayday" was never used so there was never an emergency. Low fuel could mean an hour left of fuel. Rules written in blood is why atc deserves no blame, they didn't do anything wrong, a mayday was never declared, there was no emergency. Watch any other fuel related crash.
I will never forget this plan crash. I was living in Syosset NY on Long Island and was home that night and the. Heard the ambulance sirens going off one after that other for several hours as they were bringing crash victims to the local hospitals as Syosset Hospital was one of them. I turned on the TV news and then saw what had happened. Never forgot it
But syosset is far away from jfk
how to avoid ATC communication breakdowns... MAYDAY MAYDAY we're coming in for an emergency landing !!!
I see everyone is dead set on placing blame in one place. Truth is, blame lies all over. The airline for not requiring the Captain to understand and speak aviation English, the Captain for not properly reading the situation and diverting, the First Officer for being too timid and not conveying the EXACT nature of the situation, the flight engineer for not informing the Captain that they didn’t have enough fuel for a go-around, and the “no compromise” attitude of the airport managers. Not to mention the weather. There are always many factors that go into an incident. The “who’s to blame” attitude is for lawyers to argue in court. As long as we think in terms of whose fault it is, we’ll never learn the lessons from these incidents. The “Swiss cheese model” is the only acceptable way to describe and understand the consequences of each seemingly minor failure or deviation.
Tru dat
I find at the end of the day they love to favor pilot error.
@@nadineb2726Gets a lot of people with money off the hook.
@@nadineb2726 yeah, it’s cheaper for corporate, I guess.
Yup, this right here. The justice system is more concerned about finding someone to blame than fixing the problem at hand.
I must say this near constant frequency juggling at some large airports was certainly not inducive to clear headed problem solving. Basically every time you have to change frequencies you have to start back at square one with the controller and remember to recall everything you said previously that might be relevant in case of a problem. And that's on top of trying to troubleshoot / deal with the problem itself.
Caption should say it is Mayday. And make sure the 1st officer having delivery the Mayday message to control tower. When there is only 20 minutes fuel left with such weather condition and night condition.
Air Traffick controler handling was "proper"? Oh really? The moment the pilot said, they are running out of fuel, he should have been granted emergency landing. End of story. ... but then again none of them could spot the damn' runway in that miserable weather. What an incredible tragedy. Awful, just awful. Hopefully the Airline compensated them somehow. That greedy attitude must stop once and for all... money money money is all they care for. Nothing changed so to see.. greed is still number 1 in the world for corporations so we have learned nothing so far. Thank you for the upload, xx..
Exactly. As I was listening I was thinking that ATC definitely screwed up. I was shocked at the conclusion that they were "blameless." Omg! Not in my view, that's for sure.
In aviation we have key words. We have to say “emergency” or “mayday”. You can’t be ambiguous and assume controllers understand the level of urgency.
"The moment the pilot said, they are running out of fuel, he should have been granted emergency landing. End of story. "
No, obviously not. ATC cannot see the fuel guages of the plane and depends entirely on what the pilots say. If the pilots don't declare a fuel emergency then ATC has no reason to assume that the plane is out of fuel.
Yes the pilots said they were running low on fuel, but HOW low. "low" may mean that they cannot make it to their alternate airport anymore, which is not a problem when they are already close to their primary.
It's not ATC's fault that the pilots did not declare an emergency, not even with handoffs; it's always the pilots who have to make sure that ATC knows about their situation. Assumption is the mother of all f-ups.
and not passing over info when transferring. it also seems very odd to me for them to find them completely blameless. That suggests they couldnt have improved any bit of their handling of the craft and well we all know that isnt true.
@@vinny142 Id agree with you except "we do not have the fuel to make our alternate" is an emergency. You dont have to see the gauge, you just have to know they dont have fuel to land at any airport but the one they are holding for now.
Thiss igs of the most tense episode I’ve heard on this channel
You should watch the 1999 little rock AA flight 1420 episode .
First officer definitely screwed up ......but there's also blame on the traffic control center as well
Exactly.
yeah, I'm not sure what about "we are out of fuel" and "two of our engines just went out" doesn't suggest a fuel starvation emergency. like really, you really needed them to say the words? you couldn't figure it out yourself?
@@seraphik Try rationalizing that while juggling a dozen other planes trying to land in the storm. "Mayday" is an emergency, "priority" is not. "Mayday fuel" has a procedure; loosely describing the situation without declaring emergency does not.
@@seraphik The rules and procedures are written in blood, "mayday" is the one and only word you can use to declare a top priority emergency. "Mayday Mayday Mayday, we are out of fuel" is all they needed to say and they would have landed safely. ATC deserves no blame, they followed procedure perfectly, the pilots completely ignored their training.
It is easy to second guess the pilots and atc actions. But in reality both parties were to blame. In my opinion the flight crew should have departed the initial holding pattern over Norfolk and proceeded to their alternate (Boston). But this would have cost the airlines a lot of money. You can point the blame at everyone involved, they all share the blame.
So long as pilots don't use "mayday", ATC is expected to do nothing else besides treat them like any other plane. That one word would have been enough to get them to land safely even if it meant closing the airport and forcing everyone else to divert. ATC followed procedure written in blood.
I'm definitely with the crew on this one. But if you guys were to actually hear the flight voice recorder from the boxes retrieved. You would think that these Pilots are not even sweating their low fuel. They sound like it's a normal Sunday for them. They didn't sound like they were in an emergency at all when they were communicating with ATC
Honestly I'm with the ATC in this one, he never declared an emergency, and asking "priority" is kind of meaningless, (also they kind of screwed up when they claimed engine failure, but at that point was too late anyway" .
Sure in the episode they say that in Spanish Priority is comparable to emergency, but I would argue that a pilot that isn't fluent in English shouldn't be allowed to make International flights regardless.
Try to understand that when your juggling dozens of aircrafts you can't dissect every single sentence to understand what they mean, you need clear communication.
If a Mayday was declared, all attention would be one you but it never happened.
In the end it was tragic for everyone involved but the crew definitely dropped the ball.
@@AnonimatosTM Pilots are trained to use the word "mayday" if atc doesn't hear that word it isn't an emergency. If they said that one simple word they wouldn't have crashed, ATC deserves no blame.
@@AnonimatosTM That's ridiculous.
The pilots should have used "May Day"
isnt this infuritating ffs, he has mouth, use the mouth and declare the freaking emergency!
The fault lies with the boss higher up telling the controllers that they need to put those planes down no matter what, instead of just closing airspace and telling everyone to go to their alternate routes. The weather was nowhere near correct or good enough for planes, and the stress every pilot had to go through was lucky no more planes got into an accident and more loss of life. I bet one of those planes got damaged by not being able to see and not being able to do much, just pray and hope it's not your time or the people on that plane. But all this could have been avoided if not for the boss putting stress on the tower, then on the pilots and the crew that had to walk and get into an accident with the plane being unstable or the tower being more honest and telling them that the weather is bad, that the hold was at least an hour, and that most pilots that tried to land failed and had to go around. Like that, the captain has more options and not thinking that they were most likely good and most likely his boss for the company that he flies for gets some type of wright down for going to a alternate route specially main route was open and he had fuel so he would’ve been told. Why didn’t he wait? They all ways blame the bottom of the chain and then the top gets some type of talk but nothing like the person just trying to follow rules and protocol
Why did the controller leave his plane when there was an emergency
If this was in the 80s it was probably Ronald Reagan's deregulation you know the senile King the president that made Donald Trump King to the Republicans anyway
I know this joke, because his shift was over?
That was the most ridiculous part of this. I’m not an air controller and have little knowledge of how it works but I can’t imagine being in a position where it was life and death and just passing it off to the next guy and grabbing a sandwich.
He has to live with that the rest of his life
@@jaimesantiago1751 He might as well have flown into the sky, bust through the fuselage and just hosed all those people himself.
Umbelievablr. You dont assume when in an emergancy. First words out of pilots mouth when switched to second controller shoukd have been WE ARE ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF FUEL.
Communication man. Dont count on somebody else. And why so timid?? Its like theyre aftaid of the atc.
No, first words should've been "mayday, fuel emergency". No "about to run out of fuel". Some airlines require the pilots to declare a fuel emergency when they have less than 30 mins fuel left, IIRC. So the fact that these guys didn't do that probably made ATC think they had more than that left.
What is so shocking or surprising about this? They ran into a lot of holds on the way north, the crew didn’t have a good command of the English language, CRM was non-existent. This would have been addressed if they just declared an emergency or diverted to an alternate.
Everyone of these people have me so angry I want to file a lawsuit.
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The ATC system that passes planes from one controller to another is a terrible design. On top of that pilots are asked to switch frequencies. It's as if someone purposely want to stress the pilots.
Air traffic controllers are not well trained to handle intense situations like this. This is what this episode proves.
Air traffic control and the higher ups are responsible for this disaster the higher ups for allowing flights to land in those conditions and air traffic control for putting an almost fuel starved aircraft on several of unnecessary holds that took all of their fuel to where they ran out and crashed that so could have been prevented the caused this all of management should have been fired and liable for this accident
I've just prevented that aircraft from crashing! Just pause the video around 13min. Save lives!
The controllers were negligent and unprofessional and needed to be fired. If I hear I am low in fuel, the next question from a controller should have been .... how low? having a few minutes left of fuel should have been clear that this was an emergency.
There is a big difference between. We are running out of fuel and We are out of fuel...pilots should had said. We have less than X amount of fuel and we need to land lake yesterday or we are going to crash in less than X amount of minutes...
no, what they should have said is "mayday mayday mayday, fuel emergency, we have 30 minutes of fuel left, we will not make our alternate"
The article well written qnd spoken. Thank you.
The most important thing about every job is that it is your job to do what is necessary for the success and pay of the business.
Error upon error can be found throughout the entire process of the flight.
It is up to airline companies to train their pilots on laws and regulations in every country whose airspace they enter. It also should have been drilled into their heads that the word "emergency" and/or "mayday" should be used in this type of situation. It is not up to the hosting country's controllers to know what other words might be synonyms in other countries.
A lot of incompetence on display in this one. A whole lot of mistakes made on all sides in my opinion, including the controllers.
I was once on a plane landing at JFK through a blizzard on a cold December night. It was quite scary!
Not gonna lie I wish they would upload videos with the Air Emergency narrator.
Agree
He put them on "indefinite holding" lol... Like they had indefinite fuel 😂 they shouldn't use that word in aviation where fuel is not granted...
Agree, air traffic controllers did not take it seriously
They were too passive, should of told them cried to them they had no f fuel for the last 30 mins instead of trying to play it cool not to bother the controllers
Why would there not be a federally mandated procedure to close airports in sufficiently bad weather? It would prevent so many accidents.
@@MegaLokopo $$$
@@leiderhosen7110 True.
Ultimately the pilot is responsible for the safety of the plane. They can make excuses but the flight crew should be following international flight terminology in English as is required. Say the magic words "we are declaring a fuel emergency". In the future flight crews need to be trained to advocate for themselves clearly and completely. It is insane that they let themselves get below the amount needed to make it to their alternative airport without even communing how many minutes of flight time left and making a decision to devert.
In the end it is a huge tragedy that nobody on either side if the situation was asking the right questions or sharing the right information.
What arbitrarily! There was more responsibility placed on the Controllers than the crew. However, in 99% of cases when pilots don’t survive, justice tends to lean towards blaming them. 😕
I agree the person who forced them to take on so many flights should also be held accountable
Totally irresponsible behavior from the ATC to the pilot.
*Controversy*
The probable cause of the crash was determined by the NTSB to be "the failure of the flight crew to adequately manage the airplane's fuel load, and their failure to communicate an emergency fuel situation to air traffic control before fuel exhaustion occurred." However, two NTSB members filed dissenting opinions in the report. Jim Burnett voted against the adoption of the report because he felt it did not adequately address the failures of the air traffic controllers or the FAA's role in allowing more traffic than JFK could handle. Christopher Hart filed a partial dissent because he disagreed with the report's findings of a lack of standardized terminology. In his dissent, he wrote that "we do have standardized understandable terminology ... that would have adequately communicated the existence of a dangerous situation, and the problem was that the pilots failed to use this terminology with the controllers".
Colombia's DAAC investigators also disagreed with some of the NTSB's findings. In a comment on a draft of the NTSB's report, the DAAC recommended that the NTSB place some responsibility on the controllers for their "inadequate handling" of the Avianca flight. The DAAC also recommended that the NTSB encourage modifying the EFC system, and that FAA regulations should require an "active flight-following system" to assist flight crews in evaluating weather and traffic delays.
Considering the chaos on the ground, the irresponsible management, and the total lack of assertiveness in the cockpit, this was a disaster waiting to happen. All the Avianca crew had to do was call out a mayday, and all the controller had to do was telling them; "sorry we cannot help you down safely" and direct them to Boston.
I blame the pilot, but mostly I blame the traffic controller for not passing on the priority message that were fuel. Also think that the pilot should’ve had the copilot tell them different person. They spoke to they were low on fuel.
ATC did nothing wrong, the pilots never declared an emergency. In aviation they use very exact language to avoid communication because the procedures and rules are written in blood. It has been decided and all pilots and ATC who can fly in the US or Europe are trained, if it is an emergency, you use the word "mayday" if you don't hear "mayday" it isn't an emergency.
Watch any other crash where they run out of fuel. "mayday mayday mayday, we are out of fuel" = plane lands safely. "low fuel priority" = plane crashes. Every pilot knows "mayday"
Total air traffic fault poor
What about Washington that told them to land all 33 planes
Was there a reason the Avianca pilots didn’t check the weather at Boston airport themselves? I mean it’s broadcast on the radio.
Waiting around for an answer that never will come from ATC while you burn the fuel remaining seems like a terrible decision
I think they asked for delays not for weather in Boston.
This as a combination of factors that made the plane crash..
I'm shocked that both D.C. and New York screwed up!
Well I hope there's a better system by now to prevent long holding patterns! 😮
There's not.
Would be really great if you guys could put something in the corner of the screen to say when it's a recreation and when it's real footage.
The pilots made their own situation. It’s just like with kids- if you don’t tell me something is wrong, how am I supposed to help you?? ATC has a lot going on- and pilots need to stop blaming others for their mistakes
I'm surprised that these planes don't have reserve fuel- fuel that is seperate from the rest and if you cut into this fuel you are automatically emergency status- and in trouble with the boss. Surely captains would rather get time off than crash the plane... Surely.
There is something to this effect in the actual fuel planning/flight planning. There's Alternate Fuel, Reserve Fuel and a Contingency %. The Alternate fuel is the fuel remaining at which point the pilots must abandon the initial destination and head to their alternate, in this case was Boston, however it seems the pilots were overwhelmed by the holds and naturally reserved from the intimidating nature of the US controllers, by the time the Flight Engineer started calculating the fuel needed for the alternate and asked about delays into Boston, it was already too late and now they were committed to landing at JFK or a surrounding airport to which that wouldn't have helped because the weather in the entire Northeast was attrocious that night
I remember when this happened, i live in NYC
It is true that the co-pilot didn't use the proper words to indicate emergency but if you hear "we're low on fuel. We need priority. We don't have enough fuel to go to the other airport", you understand it's an emergency. I understand the controllers were very tired and overworked which is why I blame the manager cause they should've "closed" the airport in such conditions. They could've kept some planes to hold up but keeping them for so long in the air after such a flight is way too dangerous.
It's a pity the crew didn't have an enough clear head to call for a pam pam and at the very last a mayday cause that would've given the controllers the wake up call that was needed but it's not their fault. They're workload was huge and having to think about all the possible scenarios to get the plane on the ground safely, much have fogged their minds into using proper words that were not in their mother tongue.
I feel for all the crew, staffs and passengers cause this could've gone so differently
3000 ft might have not help but. what happened to the ram air turbine that is use to provide electricity for the instrument and hydraulic system to be able to do control glide.
US businesses are always trying to avoid accountability.
It's not just US. It's worldwide!
It's not just US. It's worldwide!
Its the jfk controllers fault, the pilot has been flying manually more than 6 hours
This is on the crew. When they realized there’s bad weather and were on hold for a while, they should have looked at diverting to be safe. Boston doesn’t seem like the closest or safest diversion as the weather is usually similar to NYC. There’s Baltimore, Philadelphia, and other airports they could have diverted to on time and avoid the stress of running out of fuel, which is probably one of the worst situations for a plane. And you accept to take off with the autopilot broken?
It seems the fuel injectors inside the fuel tanks would be positioned more gravity friendly considering it's an aircraft.
there's a big difference between priority and emergency. ATC commutations are very well defined these days, maybe back then not so much. and why was the captain even flying if he couldn't speak English.
That little girl 😢
Let’s be honest the captain neglected the alternative to go
RIP
PIR
Being critically low on fuel should have been emphasised earlier on and with more urgency by the crew.
I fully blame the air traffic controllers for this, they were overloaded and knew it and should have sent everyone they could to their alternates... saying your running out of fuel is a clear indication you need to be taken seriously.
Running out of fuel and two engines shut off isn't enough to be considered as an EMERGENCY!!! the pilots were in stressed situation and they said priority instead of emergency. ATC had to be blamed along with first officer who should have mentioned the low fuel earlier.
Good grief, between ATC and Pilots I can't believe the incompetence.
Aaaaaaarrrggghhh the ATC make me angry....
Totally avoidable with proper communication on both sides of the radio.
Do you know how many plain crashes are on youtube? Hundreds
Definition of priority: the quality or state of coming before another in time or importance. 2. : a condition of being given attention before others. this project has top priority….that along with “we’re running out of fuel” means emergency ‼️
Why don't the controllers just tell pilots there are 39 planes ahead if them & give them the info to make the decision to divert to another airport?
Aircrew should have declared an emergency. They are the only ones that can see their fuel gauges. I wouldn’t have waited until the last second
It was as easy as to just declare an emergency
Tell me when Finair made a miss abrouch?
Good example of why people need to have enough spine to tell their bosses no
5:46: There's no runway 11 at MDE. It's 01 or 19.
Pilot should have contacted earlier that fuel was low.
I don't understand why they don't divert air planes to other cities instead of letting them fly in endless circles?
This episode is so frustrating for me I did not even finish it. Corporate greed is rearing ugly and the employees are just the unwilling scapegoat so the victims' families cannot blame them.
Greed. Love of money.
👍At the end of the day The love of money is the root of all eevil
You could at least have edited out the "after commercial update".
Definitely both sides were to blame, but for me it is mainly the first officer who failed to clearly communicate their emergency. As a Spanish speaker I must say that the meaning of prioridad and priority are exactly the same. I'm neither a pilot nor an air traffic controller, but if I was ATC and heard them requesting for priority, I would probably row them in earlier (remember there was a lot of traffic and innumerous amounts of planes holding in the area, their situation might have as well been quite dire!). They didn't declare an emergency (which in Spanish btw is emergencia, so even if he'd said it in Spanish, ATC would have understood) and I'm sure that since the captain didn't hear the word emergency he was bothering the first officer so much.
49:20 Yeah of Course it was Proper, everyone know you can fly Safely
if passengers Push the bicycle pedals below their Seats they Power the Engines and could go to Chainna
What really makes me angry is the fact that people running the airlines would rather put human beings lives on the line rather than ground flights! Yeah, So what?! it may be inconvenient and people make it upset and angry. I would hope people would like to live to see another day inconvenienced ,rather than crash in the airplane! The airlines business , It's so toxic and Disgusting!
The flight crew didn't convey the severity of the situation to ATC. It's not all their fault, certainly the weather and the traffic were big factors, but I don't think ATC were ever given a real sense of the urgency.
I don't want to bash the flight crew, they were trying to be polite and professional, and the language barrier isn't really their fault. This was a compounding of factors.
Actually pilots are wrong they must shout we are in emergency!! Mayday Mayday Mayday in such situation
How can you have a captain who doesn't speak English? That is utter insanity!
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