Well, there was a report of a glitch in the PC version of the game that prevented you from getting out of the Crater if you put the save crystal near the fork, but I haven't personally seen that happen yet to me. Think that's what the people are talking about.
For those wanting a disc 1 materia leveling area... Once ya get the Tiny Bronco, head to the Mideel area and grind Headhunters with Double Growth stuff... Bam.
@jessl1934 junon hallway is accessible much earlier, and can yield 20ap per enemy and can have multiple enemies. It's one of the best early game farm locations.
Master Tonberry can also be morphed into a Ribbon (the best accessory in the game: it prevents ALL status effects except Slow, Stop and Instant Death).
It's actually useless imo. An experienced player will know which status effects to expect for any given fight, and how to adjust accordingly. +Blake Adams
Replaying ff7 in 2019, first time replaying it in 20years.... with reunion and HD background mods it’s another level of awesome. This guide really helps.
So, it seems you DID in fact forget something in this video. I am not sure if someone has mentioned this already, but I will mention it here anyway. There is actually a 5 slot double-growth weapon. It is a weapon for Cid. It is called the Javelin and you get it from a treasure chest in one of the caves in Gaea's cliff. (the one just after you push the snow boulder if I remember correctly.)
You are right. It provides 62 Attack, 104 Attack%, 12 Magic, and has five Materia slots, four of which are linked. It provides Double AP, and arguably the best Materia-leveling weapon (as the triple AP weapons have fewer Materia slots). It is found on Gaea's Cliff.
@@hyperborean. Mathematically, that is true. Cid's triple is 2 slot - Triple Growth x 2 slot = 6 growth vs Double Growth x 5 slots = 10 growth. So it's definitely BiS for Cid for growth. For Cloud, however, Apocalypse is BiS for growth. Triple * 3 = 9 growth, vs 8 growth on his double growth weapons.
@@garrettk7166 I like the triple growth weapons for materia like kor, slash all, etc. Everyone gets a rune armlet so there's plenty of double growth slots imo, but everyone's got their strategy.
Okay, I went through a list of every single enemy in the game and found two enemies that both give 200 ap each, the blue dragon in Gaea's Cliff, and the sea worm on the beeches near Mideel. Furthermore, if you go to the sunken Gelnika (the downed plane on the ocean floor) you can fight Unknowns 1 2 and 3 which give 150, 200, and 300 ap respectively. As for the second question, all materia takes a good amount of time to master, but revive is one of the middle materia in terms of time to master.
TH-cam needs more of this content. Not many disect the game and tell you how to do certain things that normally you would find almost possible ie ruby weapon. It's nice to see tutorials instead of let's plays because let's plays get really boring really fast. Kudos to you sir!
you should do the ins and outs of other popular final fantasy games. i'd love to see one on final fantasy 8 as I've never played it and would like some insight. keep up the good work
Seamus Dillane That's a great idea! If you want to for sure see it you can get your own video request on our patreon page. Thanks again for the support ;)
+4-8Productions I would like to see more of this kind of stuff. in fact if your interested there is some things I discovered that make the game far easier, and actually kind of causes the game to level itself. back in the 2000s, I had most of my entire crew's STATS maxed (however, I am not entirely sure what number they actually were at due to the stat shee t not displaying any numbers past 255, but I know I had cloud's strength somewhere around 312, I kind of lost count after that...) so if your interested I would love to discuss this in another medium like face book messenger or skype. p.s. I spent well over 2000 hours on this game, i ABSOLUTELY love it!
+david keyes I forgot to pioint out that I did NOT use any sort of cheating/hacking devices. I wouldn't say i didn't cheat.. unless your among the "A" group of cheaters, then idid not lol. UI can explain further if desired.
Thanks for the video, 4-8. Interesting stuff, here are some thoughts for you: Re: the Master Tonberry, you can also Morph them for Ribbon, the best status-effect protection accessory in the game. You can acquire two other Ribbons in the game but if you want three so your entire party can wear one, you will have to Morph a Tonberry. Yuffie is the best Morpher with her Ultimate Weapon, Conformer, because the 1/8 damage penalty for Morph doesn't apply. Yuffie can therefore Morph at full strength. Another important problem one must look out for while growing Materia, is to be aware of the Materia limit! Depending on your game version, there is a limit to how many Materia you can carry. 200 in the original PS version, I believe the limit was increased in the PC port. If you are at the limit and a new Materia is spawned by mastering an old one, the spawned materia will *delete another Materia in your inventory to make room*. Usually it will hit basic Elemental materia like Fire, Ice, or Lightning, but it will also delete Mastered materia. It won't hit equipped Materia. The game does not give you any warning that this is happening or that you are at your Materia limit. You need to be careful and keep track, remember that every Materia you master adds a baby spawn materia and takes up another space in your Materia inventory. Also, on the subject of getting rich, few get rich quick methods can beat selling Mastered All materia. They sell for a whopping 1.4 *million* gil, and you should already have four or five of them from the plot. They can be bought in Fort Condor once you have the Highwind, I think for 30,000 gil. They are quick to master, requiring only 35000 AP. Besides, you will hardly need them any more once you spawn two more Mega All materias. It's not like you will really need so much money, but it's quite easy to become a multimillionaire. You could even hit the gil limit, which is over 4 billion gil. (Be careful, though - the limit is 4,294,967,295 gil, and it has no hard cap. If you go over, the counter will glitch and roll over to zero, making you a pauper!)
Amazing info, thank you. I'm thinking of going back and playing FF7 from the beginning since I only played half the game, passing it back and forth to my dad to clear parts I couldn't as a young babby. lol Also: Should I play the Steam version or the PS1 version? I heard the original PC port was screwy.
@@nfinn42 I've got the Steam port. It's pretty good, but the gamepad support for it is screwy. It works with your standard X-Input controller right out of the box, but the button configuration they gave to it is ... bizarre, to say the least. I'd recommend remapping the buttons so they roughly coincide with the PSX version, so as to keep from tearing your hair out. The plus side to the Steam version: it's moddable, and some seriously EXCELLENT mods have been made for the game. Essentially the mods range from an HD facelift to completely remastered musical score. It practically turns FFVII into a brand new-game. Also worth mentioning are the Menu Overhaul mod and the "Beacause" fan translations, both done by the same team. The Menu Overhaul makes the menu more akin to later Final Fantasy titles, and "Beacause" completely retranslates the game from the ground up, correcting the enormous amount of mistranslations the original had (believe me, there were TONS). If you want to mod, look up "7th Heaven mod installer" and they'll walk you through the process.
ancient forest is also accessible with a green chocobo, for anyone that didn't already know. great videos on my favorite game of all time! really like the materia combinations video!
I couldn't care less if anyone considered the W-Item glitch cheating. Elixers and megalixers are extremely hard to come by and i'm going to exploit the glitch that Squaresoft provided us 20 years ago in 1997 lol. W-Item is also a very easy materia to miss.
Well, by definition, it would need to be unfair and dishonest for it to be considered cheating. Since fairness is subjective and you can't really behave dishonestly in a single player game, only the player can decide if it's cheating or not.
The fact that you get W-Item so late in the game, it can be easily missed, and you already to have the item in your inventory to dupe it, makes calling it cheating kind of silly to me. You already MUST able to obtain the item to use the glitch, and nothing is registering your items as illegitimate or something, meaning all it's really "cheating" you out of is grinding in encounters.
The legal term is exploitation. Cheating would mean that they did something wrong. They didn't. Its like a legal loophole, only it really has no real world effect.
It is definitely the exploitation of a 20 year old glitch. I dont think you can cheat in a single player game because you cant "gain an unfair advantage in a dishonest way" in a single player game. You're just increasing the enjoyment factor for yourself. Though, i am one those die hard FFVII playera who has always shunned people who haved used gamesharks to level or whatever. RPGs are about the grind, and while I can understand some people seeing the W-item glitch objectable, its their choice to use it, but it is in the game.
Thanks for making these, brings me back to the good ole days of a life of lunch money, Gushers, and watching my older brother try to fight emerald weapon because I was too scared to fail...
ohh the good ol days. Nowadays we just run through games, hoping to not get jump scared. Back in the day big enemies were actually scary, because back then we put part of ourselves in the games we played. When our character was in trouble, we actually felt like we were in danger too!
Your video says that the Ancient Forest can only be reached by defeating Ultimate Weapon or by using a Gold chocobo, but a Green chocobo is able to reach it successfully. That means you could obtain the Apocalypse sword as early as obtaining the Highwind with Tifa as the party leader.
+Don Whiting This is true. Sometimes it's easier just for the sake of the video to just say gold chocobo, but I should have mentioned a gold green or black chocobo can be used. Most people save chocobo breeding until the end of the game though, since it can be complicated without a guide. Thanks for the comment!
+Kristopher Willis thats what you would want at first but there are a few challenging bosses out there get creative we have been playing video games for quite some time. The challenge is the extras :)
Just started playing FFVII awhile ago, Honestly really love the videos. I can see why people love FFVII so much since there is so many cool possibilities.
At the end of the cave there is a giant spiraling hole of mist. The party gathers around and Cloud makes the comment "This is the center of the planet." After that cut scene you can either walk back or jump down into the crater. Once you jump down, you cannot return. If you choose to turn back any time before that, you can still get completely out of the crater.
Keep doing FFVII videos mate! I check back daily to see if there's something new related to FF7 in your channel :D That's the only reason why I subscribed. I've never seen FF7 videos/tutorials with such depth while making it easy to listen and understand (for not native english speakers). Thank you for your effort and continue in the same spirit.
I spent entire nights of the lockdown in the Northern Crater just grinding Materia combinations for the hell of it because of this video. Thanks for getting me through the hell that was Spring of 2020.
double-growth not necessary. It will offer the same AP to 4 materia as an 8-slot equipment would to 8 materia. In effect, Cid's 'javelin' is better than the scimitar for growth: 5-slotsx2=10>2-slotsx3=6 ten is greater than six, making the javelin the BEST equipment for materia growth in the game. (Apocalypse: 3-slotsx3=9)
Great video, but you forgot to mention Cid's 5 slot double growth weapon Javelin which can be found in Gaea's Cliff. Just thought I should mention that since he's also the only one with 5 slots and double.
I cannot tell you how thankful I am that you made this video. Thanks to you, I was able to kill Emerald and Ruby Weapon, something that no one I know has been able to do. Once again, thank you very much!!!
Hell yeah man. I haven't played FF7 since 2000, I've forgotten about all this awesomeness,not only was this video informative af but it brought back some good memories. Now time to beast haha
*chuckle* It's hilarious (and beautiful) that folks still ask you this stuff, it means that interest and reinterest in this timeless game and your subscriber base is growing. It was amazing coming of age with this game (I just turned 33 January 6th) because the numerous flaws and intricate patterns (i.e. every double growth weapon available in Junan) make it like getting to know a person. Don't let it get you down and keep up the good work!
I’m doing this on disc one and I know that there are these rhino robot things that you can battles in gongaga at the broken reactor and they give you a good amount of Gil
Bro I love these vids. I'm about to start an 100% run on FF7 and you are thee FF7 master just off of your 5+ ways to bet the weapons vids. I thought my friend as a kid was a legend when he had two ways to bet the weapons but you got the title. I've beaten the weapons as a kid too but it wasn't as easy as your no button method. I did the kill your ally method with mime of limit breaks but totally found that out by fluke chance and the first time I won against Ruby I ran into the tenticle glicthe and had to redo the battle. These vids got me excited to max out the game. (Pulling psx out as I comment.)
Oh, and BTW. Yes, movers and magic pot give the most AP of any enemy in the game, but the rarity of encountering them makes this method far less efficient than farming the third highest AP giving enemy which are the green scorpion/mantis looking enemies in the Mideel area which are pretty much the only thing you run into in that area.😉
Equip a mastered Enemy Lure materia in that swamp area of the Northern Crater and you'll fight Magic Pots a lot more often. Movers are still rare, though.
Thanks everyone for making these videos. I've loved this game since elementary school. I still got the old ps1 guidebooks. But these guides help me learn things. That we never got to learn and share with my friends in school. Thanks for all the helpful videos 👍
B Type people: The W-Item is cheating! I'm gonna stock elixirs the right way and level up my Knights of Round Materia! *Knights of Round Materia: 150,000 AP needed for level up B Type people: where do I find the W-Item Materia?
W-item glitch is an exploit that let's you gain a huge amount of items in a way that was not intended, it's a cheat, but who cares? This is a single player game and cheating hurts no one, especially if you've played the game before and now want to move things along more quickly and avoid some of the grind, then why not, harmless.
"but who cares?" Does the dictionary caring mean anything to you? Technically, use of an exploit does NOT pass muster as a cheat unless you have entered into an agreement of some kind before hand that you would not use exploits. To cheat you must... well here is the definition: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat read it for yourself. Otherwise those with knowledge of exploits just have an unfair advantage... something quite prevalent in actual life and it seems that video games are no exception. After all... a person with faster reflexes because they trained are "exploiting" them to win against others in reaction based games. Is that cheating too? Also counting the fact that a very precise order of actions have been researched and prescribed to achieve the results described here would constitute cheating if your definition was followed. As far as I can tell in the video... no deceit, fraud, trickery, or dishonesty was used and neither was anyone deprived of anything... except those that learned something and were deprived of a little bit of ignorance.
You have tricked the game in to giving you a free item. You cheated the rules. In video game context, we would call this specific glitch "duping", and it is considered cheating in any game. Another common name for a possibly useful glitch like this is an 'exploit'.
@@Matthamatic That is not how it works, and you cannot trick a game, the idea is absurd and reveals that you lack any real insight into the issue. Is there a reason you are not able to accept the definition of the word cheat as it is defined? I am only human, if you willfully choose to remain ignorant I can only tell you that you are wrong in hopes that you do not convince others to harbor that same ignorance.
That is correct! I've always gone the other way, because you do eventually make it there by going right, but if you go left and then right you end up there right away! Thank you, I'll edit an annotation in there.
so, by your logic, if there was a lvl 99 glitch in midgard, that'd totally be okay, because you could theoretically fight battles in midgard to get to that point. your idea also does't necessarily exclude say, a gameshark giving you 99 elixirs, simply because it's possible to get that many, eventually. tbh i don't actually care, it's just an amusing idea, really. imo, if it's not gonna ruin the game for you, and you want to, fuck it, go for it. doesn't matter if it's labeled as a 'cheat' or not. hell, i've had awesome experiences where it was 100% cheating - one in replaying the dot hack gu games again, i hacked my skills to give me some of the spells not officially released in the game till vol. 3 - given it's all based on stuff from an earlier series, the effects are still coded into the game weirdly enough. and second in kongdoms of amalur reckoning, there's a level 40 cap, which lets you make one solid character mostly devoted to 1/3 skill trees, one meh to shit character mostly messing with 2/3 skill trees, or just a kinda shitty one with all 3, with bonuses to your widespread nature to try and compensate, but lacking any access to the best skills. so, at level 39, i used cheat engine to freeze my level at 39 - leveled up like 10+ times after that, getting more skill points to make a truly jack of all trades ish character. was honestly the best character idea, not too OP.
If time and hard work were originally required to receive a reward and you used a glitch to circumvent the work so you can get the reward right away, then you definitely cheated.
Not to be pedantic, but I would argue that the Javelin is actually SUPERIOR to the Apocalypse rather than the other way around because you gain a gross total of 10 times the battle's given AP rather than the 9 times offered by the Apocalypse.
I'm not sure what you mean, the Apocalypse has three slots versus the Javelin's two, and they both have triple growth, so the Apocalypse would obviously grant a higher amount of experience if more materia is attached to it, unless I am missing something.
4-8Productions I think you're thinking of the Scimitar. Sorry, I should have specified. The Javelin is the double growth weapon with 5 slots, which you said was second best growth to the Apocalypse in your description. I was merely pointing out that if you do the math, 5 slots with double growth = battle's AP amount is received 10 times, whereas with the Apocalypse, 3 slots with triple growth means the battle's AP is received 9 times, giving the Javelin more growth per battle overall.
Kunaal Toprani Oops, my mistake. You're right, the Javelin is superior, but in general it seems better to use the Apocalypse unless you are mastering tons of materia. Trying to master Knights of the Round on a double growth weapon will take forever. Anyways, thank you for the correction! I will edit my description.
Kunaal Toprani I would have to agree with 4-8 Pro, mostly because certain Materia take up to 5x longer than the average rate of mastering. Because there's a hardcap of 200 Materia at a time, you might end up mastering too few KOTR while having way too much everything, and causing alot of problems when you reach said cap. Eventually I swapped Javelin to Scimitar also, since again, some Materia take way too long to max out. Hell, I swapped Rune for Wizard since again, some Materia level really fast, and others, way too long.
So the result of this discussion is, if you need to master a ton of materia, use a 2x growth item; if you need to master a specific materia, and/or that materia has a very high AP requirement, use 3x growth. In most cases the 2x would work out better.
I've been playing this game religiously for 20 years, fuck all, absolutely NOTHING undiscovered, undone and unsaid and unknown, yet you busy in here and get me like "that's an interesting way to go about it, I may have to do that" For that I congratulate, and sub. Thankyou sir
The W-Item glitch isn't cheating, It's a piece of coding that works, but also works in an unintended way. So if anything it's more of an exploit, not a cheat. Plus considering alot of people don't know how to use said glitch I think it's mostly the jealousy speaking when people call it cheating. Plus considering using the glitch isn't exactly a game breaking "cheat", items usefulness only stretches so far, the rest is down to strategy and the ability to adapt when things don't go as expected.
Jacob Smith 2 year old comment but regardless, it cheating. That's like saying "I used a gameshark to give myself max stats and 999x of every item cause I would've done it anyways so." It's just doesn't hold up. What game dev wants you to just get free good items? None. It's okay. It's not a big deal. You're cheating. Woo.
If you don't use the glitch there are like 2 hero drinks in the whole game, both right at the end, and their usefulness or impact on the game disappear totally. Other items are also rare or hard to get. W-Item glitch makes the game better.
Great video! Similar to my approach. Hadn't thought about the movers though, neat idea. I'm trying for a compete game in 85 hours, and personally I find that it's best to focus on material early. Not directly, since the AP you get is so low, but as a side effect of other things you're doing. What you can do is have just 1 of each kind of material you have equipped at all times. You should always have enough slots to accommodate this.(by the time your material quantity starts outgrowing the number of slots Aeris will get a Fairy Tale, and not too long after you get an Edincoat) When you start grinding to build Limit Breaks(outside of Kalm is a great place to start doing this!) this will put a dent into the AP needed to master. By the end of disc 1 you should have several mastered. In order to keep up with the amount of materia you acquire you can un equip one that is mastered and make a slot space for another. When a material is getting close to being mastered(within 10000 AP) you can put those on the double slots and knock those out to make room for more. When you get the Tiny Bronco you have access to the island south of Mideel, great place to rack up some quick AP and finish them off. Enemy Skill Beta helps end the battles quickly. When you finally have triple slots you should have a lot mastered and can then just focus on the KOTR and other high AP ones. There is more detail to my own strategy but the idea is that you should only have a few not already mastered by the time the Crater even becomes available.
Here's an explanation with Cloud. Start with Braver use it 7 times to get Cross Slash. To get Blade Beam kill 80 enemies. Use Blade Beam 7 times unlocks Climhazard. to unlock limit 3-1 Meteorain you have to kill another 80 after getting Blade Beam. Use Meteorain 7 times to unlock Finishing Touch. then once you get Finishing Touch can use the Omnislash item won from Gold Saucer to teach Omnislash. It's the same for every character. Except the level 4 limit you have to find it in the world.
Thank you! You have great guides! Even after all these years there are people like me who are playing the game for the first time now and discovering all these things🙂
So I’m starting this game after realizing the remake is my fav game of all time so I decided I should play the original and it’s amazing so far so thx for these videos that I can watch almost a decade in the future. 👍
to the people saying "you didnt mention you can get ribbon from tonberry".. this video isnt about what you can obtain from the northern cave, its "how to master materia quickly".
Thank you! As for your question, that is really up to your imagination, and that is what makes this game so great. You can train and level up your magic materia, or level up your characters, or just find better ways to combat most of the enemies. There are not too many good leveling up spots early in the game, so the best thing to do is to train next to a save point in the hardest areas available to you at the time. You can watch my IW Challenge for a look at a run with no training at all.
As for the W-Item Glitch being cheating or not, this depends on one's attitude about gaming and purity. FFVII even without the glitch, is a ridiculously easy game (one reason people create challenges like "no item use no summons no inns no random encounters" etc., etc.). So if a person wants to use the W-Item trick to make the game even MORE ridiculously easy, it's hard to see why they should be criticized. It's not a multiplayer game, so it's not like you're getting an advantage over someone else. If there's a part of the game you consider to be senseless grinding that takes away from your fun, by all means, use bugs or exploits to zip past that part. But if you want your huge Elixir total to be something you can honestly brag about, then you will have to steal them honestly from Gighee or whatever rather than duping them up. The single player thing means bug abuse / glitching is a personal preference thing. Now, if you're doing some kind of challenge or speedrun, there very may well be rules about what sorts of bugs you're allowed to use. If someone finds a glitch tomorrow where you can do some kind of song and dance in the Temple of the Ancients and suddenly skip straight to the North Cave, that would obviously massively cut down on speed runs, and the FFVII speed running community would have to decide whether to accept that bug as "legit" or not. If they decide to reject the bug, then obviously you'd have to refrain from exploiting it to earn their admiration of your best times. This is similar to an issue we had long ago in the original Diablo (Diablo 1) community on Battle.net. There were players who used trainers to create impossible items, like Godly Full Plate Mail of the Whale, and there were also several easily exploitable in-game bugs, primarily an item duplication bug that worked similarly to the W-Item trick and allowed perfect replication of equipment and potions. As a result, Battle.net was flooded with duplicates of high powered items, to the point that newbies getting online could easily go into a chatroom and beg for a few minutes and quickly find a player willing to dupe (duplicate) top-level equipment to give to them. Such equipment of course takes all the challenge out of the game and often such newbies would wind up being quickly bored by the game. Those of us in a group called the DSF (Diablo Strategy Forum) argued against bug usage, a playstyle we called playing "legit". Diablo wasn't quite as easy as FFVII but it was close, and indeed players came up with many challenges (called "variants") to make play more challenging than the easy base game. We did not scorn people who used bugs, but neither did we respect them. To earn our respect you had to not only play legit, but strive to challenge yourself beyond the limits of the base game. (One example of a challenge was the "Ironman" game - a team would create new level 1 characters, go down into the dungeon, and never come back up. No buying or repairing anything in town - you had to live off the land, get potions and weapons dropped by monsters, and somehow stay alive to beat the final boss. Ironman games were a tough challenge and most teams, even when played by experts, would die horribly within a few levels. Actual Ironman victories happened maybe once a year, and were celebrated as true epics.) A side issue with bugs and exploits is the matter of intentionality. Some gamers say that if a glitch was somehow intentional - intended by the developers - then it's not a bug at all, but an easter egg or a hidden feature. If it was unintentional, then it was a bug. People often use this divide to try to define some bugs as cheating and some not. For the W-Item glitch, I think this is a hazy area. If you had asked me ten years ago, I'd have said "obviously it was not intentional, it's a side effect of the W-Item glitch aspect where it can eat your items". But from what I hear, the glitch was *partially* fixed in the recent PC rerelease - the glitch still works for throwables and consumables but not for Sources. This seems to argue that the team who made the port (who I guess at least technically represent the game developers, even though of course FFVII's original dev team have mostly moved on), by not removing the glitch entirely, are sending a signal that the glitch is an intentional part of the game. So for some people, this means W-Item glitch has now been given the Squenix Seal of Approval making it OK. But for me, the idea of deciding whether a bug is OK based on whether the developers intended it, misses the point. The developers aren't in the room with you and don't care what you do (as long as you're not cheating in an MMO, that is). Cheat or not, it's all the same to them - they already got your money. I think that people use the "intentionality" argument to simply support a position they've already decided (for or against), ie., a rationalization. To me, what matters isn't whether the bug was intended, it's what effect it has on the game. Does it make it more fun? Less fun? More challenging? Less challenging? These are the only things that matter. So to me, I think it's up to every player to decide whether bug exploitation suits them. Are you just in it to see all the game has to offer (ie., go to all the places, get all the weapons, kill one of every monster, that kind of thing)? If so, bug abuse may help you achieve your goal. But if instead you're up for a challenge, you'll want to avoid anything that makes an already easy game easier, which would include bugs and exploits. And of course, if you want bragging rights, or to show off your skills, you will need to develop skills - and that means you will need to practice without the training wheels that bugs provide.
+nfinn42 This is a great post, but I have to correct you on something: the glitch does still work for sources on the PC version. I've had it and done it before. So it honestly wasn't fixed at all.
nfinn42 With all due respect, I'm pretty sure you couldn't duplicate things like sources (and other non-battle items) using the glitch in the first place. However, our homefry here who made all these videos does mention in one of his videos how to duplicate things like sources. It's probably in the "glitches and oddities" video. It's like a glitch within a glitch.
naruaztec it has something to do with giving negative speech options with both tifa and aeris, through out the game to that point, if they both don’t like you then you get a date with Barrett, I think.. don’t quote me on that.
Thank you, thank you! :D I am playing FFVII for my first time. I'm at the end and wanting to max my Materia so this was helpful. Also glad you put in about how to leave the Crater. I've been using the official guidebook and the way they word a couple things REALLY makes it sound like you cannot leave, so I was worried about entering (didn't help that friends who've beaten even think you can't leave haha). Thanks!
The W-item glitch is not cheating. Why? Because I picked the first item, then chose the second item, changed my mind, and canceled the second item. Am I not allowed to ever change my mind and cancel the 2nd item? To avoid the glitch would interfere with the normal way you'd play and make decisions throughout the game. The fact that it duplicates the first item was not my "intention", but what's done is done. I'm not gonna waste time counting, recounting, and deleting items just because the programmers messed up. So I just move on with my life and not worry about it.
an honest mistake... of course the 12897598 th time you repeat the mistake you already figured out your inventory is packed with lots of convenient usables and how exploiting glitches breaks the game pacing... ;)
If someone underpays to the IRS one year and notices extra $ in the bank, that can happen. Doing it for the next 15 years I don't think, "Oops, my bad. Honest mistake!" will fly during the audit.
I could see how that could be construed as cheating. Though as he mentioned earlier this is meant for end game grinding really. When elixers and everything else is pretty easy to obtain, just time consuming. However using the w-item glitch early in the game to duplicate one of the few elixers or mega elixers you get before they're readily available would certainly break pacing.
except it is cheating. the only real question is if it bothers you. most people don't get bothered by it, but purists/challenge runners usually are. personally, i love time saving glitches. it simply means more time to enjoy the parts i like.
1. If you use Final Attack + Revive you cannot lose as long as you keep your mp up. 2. If you equip less materia, Aire Tam Storm will do less/no damage. 3. Equip the underwater materia to remove the time limit.
I agree with the not cheating aspect of w-item and I'm glad you mentioned it, because stealing elixers over and over is so tedious. My only gripe with this (other than watching and hoping someone knew what I didn't since 1997 lol) is the menu things that are switched to speed up the battle. Even to start the game of, before I even get into my first fight I change the battle speed to max, but as for the ATB and battle message\field message... The only thing changing ATB to active is going to do is make it so you can be attacked while in a menu, and your teammates battle timer fills while your doing whatever else. As for the battle\field message, I put those at 75% because the ONLY thing that affects is how fast ANY text bubble is in\out of battle, field affects everything out of battle, where as battle message will make it so when your characters or enemies talk in battle (like the scorpion guard in reactor 7 when Cloud tells Barret not to attack while it's tail is up) it moves a lot faster. Also, if you have the ATB set to active, any enemies that flee during battle are free to do so, such as Chocobo's and the like. My opinion? Set ATB to WAIT, turn the BATTLE SPEED up and do whatever you want with field\battle message, turn it up or down, whatever is a better or more comfortable reading pace, as all it does is affect text.
Royce Yeomans Thanks Royce! You are definitely right about the text boxes, since this video is more about materia and not about config I kind of dumbed it down to just "set everything to fast", but your explanation is great for anybody looking for a more specific explanation of the config. In all reality none of it will really affect how quickly you master the materia using this strategy to a great extent, except maybe battle speed.
NP, and lemme just mention (because i've been looking for an excuse to gush about it hahaha) that watching these videos have recently inspired me to replay FF7 (finally) and aim for a "perfect game"! I can't wait to try out the Omnislash mime-counter effect, that's just too good!
Choose the option "good treasure" and dig on the X in the dirt on the first floor to the right of the guy you talk to. The first time you dig there you should get a mop, the second time you should get the W-Item Materia. There's about a 1/3 chance that you will get it.
One tiny thing, you need to take the left path at the fork and then the first doorway on your right will lead to the swamp area. The right hand path takes you to where the Marlboros and grim reaper enemies are. Great tutorial though, magic pot makes grinding 100 times easier.
I will most likely make a video for this at some point, but I didn't want to get off the topic of Materia Mastering, which is what this video is about. Definitely a time-saving trick though! ;)
Cool, a glitchless method to farm magic pots. I've always just saved my elixirs and shamelessly used the W-item glitch. Kudos to you and anyone that actually farmed those.
Cid has a 5 slotted (2 linked and 1 single) DOUBLE growth weapon that I did not see in your video. I believe it's the Javelin. It's the second best weapon for Materia growth in the game.
As he said in the video, yes people, you can leave the North Crater. The "point of no return", as it were, is at the bottommost point of the Crater, where you begin the final push to fight Jenova Synthesis.
Prior to The Temple of the ancients you can fight on the island of Mideel using the tiny bronco. You can fight the head hunters who give 80 AP per. So if you want to do some nice leveling up just after Rocket Town, there you go. By this time you have double growth weapons and really a great way of getting the small Materia mastered early.
You can also morph Master Tonberrys into extra ribbons. It’s vulnerable to stop but use the enemy skill Death Force as an extra precaution. That way if the Tonberry gets close and stabs you, Death Force protects you from instant death
Best way to deal with master tonberry is stop or Hades. I find also having a mime and a 4x cut speeds up the grind as well. The mime is good for steals or stops that don't land and for hitting tonberry harder. One character has 4x cut, another stop, the third mime. The rest of your materia slots are available for growth. Cheers.
Oh my god this is so useful, I was going to start grinding and mastering materia tomorrow to take down the WEAPONs and this is just perfect for my situation
Lord Alituj I'm glad this video was useful for you! If you want to help me out, join our Patron Exclusive club, it's only $1/mo and you'll get some really awesome stuff!
I just want to say, I'm re playing ff7 for the first time in about 12 years and your videos have been awesome in doing so. Such a beloved favorite of mine, and I've played through it about 10 times or so, but this time through I'm learning and seeing new things because of your videos. Thanks man, you rock!
You can disk 1 level materia in junon. Once you get the buggy, drive into costa del sol and take the boat to junon. Go past the shops, then past the Rufus tram to the hallway. There is a group of shinra practicing. On the wall is a red alarm. Press it. The annoying alarm will sound amd you can fight the disk 2 enemies that are supposed to be for the submarine mission. As a bonus, the inn is right back the way you came, the dog will walk towards the door you want as you approach it so you can rest and save all you want. Since you drove the buggy into Costa, if you exit junon (just talk to the guy near the inn waving at the sky, he'll flag a helicopter, or just walk all the way out) you can now drive the buggy over to ft. Condor area and cross the river to get to the cave with the sleepy old dude. Sleepy old dude will give you an item for the last two digits being even for example, you fought 1322 fights. he'll give you mythril for odd (fought 1333 fights). Now once you get tiny bronco, bring that mythril to the single house near gongaga and give to the guy whos now home. Choose the small box (safe on the wall upstairs) and you get Aeris' (Aerith's) final limit break. The large box is just a gold armlet in case you were wondering.
Another area where one can "multi-task", you will need a turbo controller. Go to the archipelago of islands, where you can fight the sand worms on the beach. On one of those if you just hold up it will run cloud just around the corner on the beach and back without leaving it. Tape the direction pad up and turbo circle I believe ( it has been years) tape that down amd just walk away. This is slower than the northern cave ( movers give tons of AP), but it will master all that materia while you are out enjoying the fresh air, or getting some much needed rest.
The other great thing about leveling up in the sunken gelinka is that all the monsters in the SG can be morphed in sources, and the conformer is found in the SG. If anyone doesn't know, the Conformer is Yuffie's final weapon and it has an added effect that allows her morph to do the same amount of damage as her regular attack command. Training here at any point in the 2nd disc can not only give you lots of exp/gil/ap, it can make your party power houses by boosting stats with sources
![PASULOL รามเกียรติ์ ตอนที่ 4 นนทกพบรัก [Ramakien Ep.4: Nonthok in love]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tMUQgmZzf_A/mqdefault.jpg)
"Well no shit you can get out the the Northern Crater, why else would I make up this technique"
Priceless
Ikr!
Well, there was a report of a glitch in the PC version of the game that prevented you from getting out of the Crater if you put the save crystal near the fork, but I haven't personally seen that happen yet to me. Think that's what the people are talking about.
JD Shadow that’s in all versions, I think and it can happen almost anywhere in the Northern Cavern.
No, that was in the PS1 version too. I know because I found out the hard way. Actually, my FFVII save file got corrupted after I unknowingly did it...
Yeah my brother got stuck in the crater due to that. (Fortunately for him he had a seperate save file before entering)
For those wanting a disc 1 materia leveling area... Once ya get the Tiny Bronco, head to the Mideel area and grind Headhunters with Double Growth stuff... Bam.
Yeah I learned this from a video works good early disc 1
The hallway under junon can net about 20ap per enemy per battle, its one of the best early game disk1 farm spots imo.
Mideel offers 240AP per battle
@jessl1934 junon hallway is accessible much earlier, and can yield 20ap per enemy and can have multiple enemies. It's one of the best early game farm locations.
If it saves time...its not cheating. .lol
As someone who's getting to re experience this great game again, I appreciate these guides man. Very helpful 👊🏼
Today i started a new GP. My last time was close to 20years ago
-Germany,Bavaria,36yo,2021-Feb.-29
#Corona
can i get out of the north crater
@@johnr4836
Impossible, dude
Master Tonberry can also be morphed into a Ribbon (the best accessory in the game: it prevents ALL status effects except Slow, Stop and Instant Death).
It's actually useless imo. An experienced player will know which status effects to expect for any given fight, and how to adjust accordingly.
+Blake Adams
Useless on Marlboros. Safer-Sephiroth and the Weapons? I don't know about that.
Have fun with that logic when a Malboro breathes in your face, idiot.
Blake Adams and yuffies conformer bypasses the morph damage penalty.
No shit! I never knew that. Crazy. This fucking game man... I swear. The greatest game ever made.
Replaying ff7 in 2019, first time replaying it in 20years.... with reunion and HD background mods it’s another level of awesome. This guide really helps.
So, it seems you DID in fact forget something in this video. I am not sure if someone has mentioned this already, but I will mention it here anyway. There is actually a 5 slot double-growth weapon. It is a weapon for Cid. It is called the Javelin and you get it from a treasure chest in one of the caves in Gaea's cliff. (the one just after you push the snow boulder if I remember correctly.)
I not seen it mentioned should be in vid tho
This is true I had the weapon on one of my old saves but could never remember where I got it from.
You are right. It provides 62 Attack, 104 Attack%, 12 Magic, and has five Materia slots, four of which are linked. It provides Double AP, and arguably the best Materia-leveling weapon (as the triple AP weapons have fewer Materia slots). It is found on Gaea's Cliff.
@@hyperborean. Mathematically, that is true. Cid's triple is 2 slot - Triple Growth x 2 slot = 6 growth vs Double Growth x 5 slots = 10 growth. So it's definitely BiS for Cid for growth.
For Cloud, however, Apocalypse is BiS for growth. Triple * 3 = 9 growth, vs 8 growth on his double growth weapons.
@@garrettk7166 I like the triple growth weapons for materia like kor, slash all, etc. Everyone gets a rune armlet so there's plenty of double growth slots imo, but everyone's got their strategy.
To think this video is 12 years old. What a difference it was 12 years ago till now. Life was a lot better.
I just started playing this game on PS1 a few weeks ago. Sup.
man, I replay this game about every 3 years. In 1999 I made a perfect file and spent about 150 hours grinding materia around mideel
The card game in VIII was so awesome, I would play that game longer than the actual game, lol. I loved the card game in IX too, but not as much.
There's an Android version of triple triad
@@davidmcguire6043 what??? okay gonna go find it
I played FFX so much, that at some point I only played it to play Blitzball, I must have done over 100 leagues 😂😂
Okay, I went through a list of every single enemy in the game and found two enemies that both give 200 ap each, the blue dragon in Gaea's Cliff, and the sea worm on the beeches near Mideel. Furthermore, if you go to the sunken Gelnika (the downed plane on the ocean floor) you can fight Unknowns 1 2 and 3 which give 150, 200, and 300 ap respectively.
As for the second question, all materia takes a good amount of time to master, but revive is one of the middle materia in terms of time to master.
4-8Productions ok
@@Remsis115apocalypse 😅
TH-cam needs more of this content. Not many disect the game and tell you how to do certain things that normally you would find almost possible ie ruby weapon. It's nice to see tutorials instead of let's plays because let's plays get really boring really fast. Kudos to you sir!
Seamus Dillane Thank you! With the support of the fans, I hope to continue giving you content like this!
you should do the ins and outs of other popular final fantasy games. i'd love to see one on final fantasy 8 as I've never played it and would like some insight. keep up the good work
Seamus Dillane That's a great idea! If you want to for sure see it you can get your own video request on our patreon page. Thanks again for the support ;)
+4-8Productions I would like to see more of this kind of stuff. in fact if your interested there is some things I discovered that make the game far easier, and actually kind of causes the game to level itself. back in the 2000s, I had most of my entire crew's STATS maxed (however, I am not entirely sure what number they actually were at due to the stat shee t not displaying any numbers past 255, but I know I had cloud's strength somewhere around 312, I kind of lost count after that...) so if your interested I would love to discuss this in another medium like face book messenger or skype.
p.s. I spent well over 2000 hours on this game, i ABSOLUTELY love it!
+david keyes I forgot to pioint out that I did NOT use any sort of cheating/hacking devices. I wouldn't say i didn't cheat.. unless your among the "A" group of cheaters, then idid not lol. UI can explain further if desired.
"Steal as well" materia paired with either Master Command material or 4x cut makes it easier to steal
When I was younger I always used to put it on a mastered Comet materia
Master Command+HP Absorb but with a separate double-cut materia.
Thanks for the video, 4-8. Interesting stuff, here are some thoughts for you:
Re: the Master Tonberry, you can also Morph them for Ribbon, the best status-effect protection accessory in the game. You can acquire two other Ribbons in the game but if you want three so your entire party can wear one, you will have to Morph a Tonberry. Yuffie is the best Morpher with her Ultimate Weapon, Conformer, because the 1/8 damage penalty for Morph doesn't apply. Yuffie can therefore Morph at full strength.
Another important problem one must look out for while growing Materia, is to be aware of the Materia limit! Depending on your game version, there is a limit to how many Materia you can carry. 200 in the original PS version, I believe the limit was increased in the PC port. If you are at the limit and a new Materia is spawned by mastering an old one, the spawned materia will *delete another Materia in your inventory to make room*. Usually it will hit basic Elemental materia like Fire, Ice, or Lightning, but it will also delete Mastered materia. It won't hit equipped Materia. The game does not give you any warning that this is happening or that you are at your Materia limit. You need to be careful and keep track, remember that every Materia you master adds a baby spawn materia and takes up another space in your Materia inventory.
Also, on the subject of getting rich, few get rich quick methods can beat selling Mastered All materia. They sell for a whopping 1.4 *million* gil, and you should already have four or five of them from the plot. They can be bought in Fort Condor once you have the Highwind, I think for 30,000 gil. They are quick to master, requiring only 35000 AP. Besides, you will hardly need them any more once you spawn two more Mega All materias. It's not like you will really need so much money, but it's quite easy to become a multimillionaire. You could even hit the gil limit, which is over 4 billion gil. (Be careful, though - the limit is 4,294,967,295 gil, and it has no hard cap. If you go over, the counter will glitch and roll over to zero, making you a pauper!)
Amazing info, thank you. I'm thinking of going back and playing FF7 from the beginning since I only played half the game, passing it back and forth to my dad to clear parts I couldn't as a young babby. lol
Also: Should I play the Steam version or the PS1 version? I heard the original PC port was screwy.
PS1 if you ask me. I don't know about the steam version, never played it. The PC port is a nightmare to install.
steam version is easy to install, the older version was harder cus u may need patches etc
nfinn42 You can also get a ribbon by winning ten special battles in the battle square.
@@nfinn42 I've got the Steam port. It's pretty good, but the gamepad support for it is screwy. It works with your standard X-Input controller right out of the box, but the button configuration they gave to it is ... bizarre, to say the least.
I'd recommend remapping the buttons so they roughly coincide with the PSX version, so as to keep from tearing your hair out.
The plus side to the Steam version: it's moddable, and some seriously EXCELLENT mods have been made for the game. Essentially the mods range from an HD facelift to completely remastered musical score. It practically turns FFVII into a brand new-game.
Also worth mentioning are the Menu Overhaul mod and the "Beacause" fan translations, both done by the same team. The Menu Overhaul makes the menu more akin to later Final Fantasy titles, and "Beacause" completely retranslates the game from the ground up, correcting the enormous amount of mistranslations the original had (believe me, there were TONS).
If you want to mod, look up "7th Heaven mod installer" and they'll walk you through the process.
ancient forest is also accessible with a green chocobo, for anyone that didn't already know.
great videos on my favorite game of all time! really like the materia combinations video!
After u get cloud back in ur party go get a gold chocobo too easy😅
I couldn't care less if anyone considered the W-Item glitch cheating. Elixers and megalixers are extremely hard to come by and i'm going to exploit the glitch that Squaresoft provided us 20 years ago in 1997 lol. W-Item is also a very easy materia to miss.
I mean, it is cheating, by definition. It's just that it doesn't matter whether you cheat or not because it's a singleplayer game
Well, by definition, it would need to be unfair and dishonest for it to be considered cheating. Since fairness is subjective and you can't really behave dishonestly in a single player game, only the player can decide if it's cheating or not.
The fact that you get W-Item so late in the game, it can be easily missed, and you already to have the item in your inventory to dupe it, makes calling it cheating kind of silly to me. You already MUST able to obtain the item to use the glitch, and nothing is registering your items as illegitimate or something, meaning all it's really "cheating" you out of is grinding in encounters.
The legal term is exploitation. Cheating would mean that they did something wrong. They didn't. Its like a legal loophole, only it really has no real world effect.
It is definitely the exploitation of a 20 year old glitch. I dont think you can cheat in a single player game because you cant "gain an unfair advantage in a dishonest way" in a single player game. You're just increasing the enjoyment factor for yourself. Though, i am one those die hard FFVII playera who has always shunned people who haved used gamesharks to level or whatever. RPGs are about the grind, and while I can understand some people seeing the W-item glitch objectable, its their choice to use it, but it is in the game.
Thanks for making these, brings me back to the good ole days of a life of lunch money, Gushers, and watching my older brother try to fight emerald weapon because I was too scared to fail...
ohh the good ol days. Nowadays we just run through games, hoping to not get jump scared. Back in the day big enemies were actually scary, because back then we put part of ourselves in the games we played. When our character was in trouble, we actually felt like we were in danger too!
chris chambers how do you get hp plus
HP Plus you can buy in various locations, but the location that comes to mind right away is the material shop in Cosmo Canyon for ~8000 gil
Your video says that the Ancient Forest can only be reached by defeating Ultimate Weapon or by using a Gold chocobo, but a Green chocobo is able to reach it successfully. That means you could obtain the Apocalypse sword as early as obtaining the Highwind with Tifa as the party leader.
+Don Whiting This is true. Sometimes it's easier just for the sake of the video to just say gold chocobo, but I should have mentioned a gold green or black chocobo can be used. Most people save chocobo breeding until the end of the game though, since it can be complicated without a guide. Thanks for the comment!
+Kristopher Willis its a hidden island at the north east part of the map gold chocobo is advised its easy to scout out with the Highwind
+Kristopher Willis thats what you would want at first but there are a few challenging bosses out there get creative we have been playing video games for quite some time. The challenge is the extras :)
you know what he meant, give him a break, don't come over here trolling please.
you know what he meant, give him a break, don't come over here trolling please.
THANK YOU! I had no idea I could dig up W-item!! I thought I had lost if forever.... It took 16 years but I finally got it haha
Just started playing FFVII awhile ago, Honestly really love the videos. I can see why people love FFVII so much since there is so many cool possibilities.
Back on the ff7 vibe after Release date reveal of the remake :)
For what you did at the Final Fantasy 7 guides let me tell you one thing : You Sir are a hero!
I don't care how old this game is, I still come back to play it every now and then. This vid was really helpful too
At the end of the cave there is a giant spiraling hole of mist. The party gathers around and Cloud makes the comment "This is the center of the planet." After that cut scene you can either walk back or jump down into the crater. Once you jump down, you cannot return. If you choose to turn back any time before that, you can still get completely out of the crater.
This video taught me a lesson.
Quality over Quantity.
Attack Power doesn't meaning but Growth does if you are aiming for grinding Materia.
Keep doing FFVII videos mate! I check back daily to see if there's something new related to FF7 in your channel :D That's the only reason why I subscribed. I've never seen FF7 videos/tutorials with such depth while making it easy to listen and understand (for not native english speakers). Thank you for your effort and continue in the same spirit.
I spent entire nights of the lockdown in the Northern Crater just grinding Materia combinations for the hell of it because of this video. Thanks for getting me through the hell that was Spring of 2020.
double-growth not necessary. It will offer the same AP to 4 materia as an 8-slot equipment would to 8 materia. In effect, Cid's 'javelin' is better than the scimitar for growth:
5-slotsx2=10>2-slotsx3=6
ten is greater than six, making the javelin the BEST equipment for materia growth in the game. (Apocalypse: 3-slotsx3=9)
Best comment right here.
In a sense yeah, but if you want to solely focus on one materia then scimitar is best :) (but you knew that)
This helped so much. I was able to go from lvl 60-99 in like 2 hours. Thanks a bunch!!
Great video, but you forgot to mention Cid's 5 slot double growth weapon Javelin which can be found in Gaea's Cliff. Just thought I should mention that since he's also the only one with 5 slots and double.
I cannot tell you how thankful I am that you made this video. Thanks to you, I was able to kill Emerald and Ruby Weapon, something that no one I know has been able to do. Once again, thank you very much!!!
Hell yeah man. I haven't played FF7 since 2000, I've forgotten about all this awesomeness,not only was this video informative af but it brought back some good memories. Now time to beast haha
*chuckle* It's hilarious (and beautiful) that folks still ask you this stuff, it means that interest and reinterest in this timeless game and your subscriber base is growing. It was amazing coming of age with this game (I just turned 33 January 6th) because the numerous flaws and intricate patterns (i.e. every double growth weapon available in Junan) make it like getting to know a person. Don't let it get you down and keep up the good work!
I’m doing this on disc one and I know that there are these rhino robot things that you can battles in gongaga at the broken reactor and they give you a good amount of Gil
Bro I love these vids. I'm about to start an 100% run on FF7 and you are thee FF7 master just off of your 5+ ways to bet the weapons vids. I thought my friend as a kid was a legend when he had two ways to bet the weapons but you got the title. I've beaten the weapons as a kid too but it wasn't as easy as your no button method. I did the kill your ally method with mime of limit breaks but totally found that out by fluke chance and the first time I won against Ruby I ran into the tenticle glicthe and had to redo the battle. These vids got me excited to max out the game. (Pulling psx out as I comment.)
Your videos are awesome man I absolutely love ff7 it's the best game ever made IMO..
Bro your legit the god of final fantasy vii i can't even imagine how many hours you have grinded
Oh, and BTW. Yes, movers and magic pot give the most AP of any enemy in the game, but the rarity of encountering them makes this method far less efficient than farming the third highest AP giving enemy which are the green scorpion/mantis looking enemies in the Mideel area which are pretty much the only thing you run into in that area.😉
Equip a mastered Enemy Lure materia in that swamp area of the Northern Crater and you'll fight Magic Pots a lot more often. Movers are still rare, though.
Thanks everyone for making these videos. I've loved this game since elementary school. I still got the old ps1 guidebooks. But these guides help me learn things. That we never got to learn and share with my friends in school. Thanks for all the helpful videos 👍
B Type people: The W-Item is cheating! I'm gonna stock elixirs the right way and level up my Knights of Round Materia!
*Knights of Round Materia: 150,000 AP needed for level up
B Type people: where do I find the W-Item Materia?
Grinding is annoying and take time to do. So, if there is an easy way to grind, I will use it no matter if is considered cheating or not.
_"*Knights of Round Materia: 150,000 AP needed for level up"_
50k, 200k, 300k, 500k.
No doubt, thanks for supporting me all of this time! ;)
W-item glitch is an exploit that let's you gain a huge amount of items in a way that was not intended, it's a cheat, but who cares? This is a single player game and cheating hurts no one, especially if you've played the game before and now want to move things along more quickly and avoid some of the grind, then why not, harmless.
"but who cares?" Does the dictionary caring mean anything to you? Technically, use of an exploit does NOT pass muster as a cheat unless you have entered into an agreement of some kind before hand that you would not use exploits. To cheat you must... well here is the definition: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat read it for yourself. Otherwise those with knowledge of exploits just have an unfair advantage... something quite prevalent in actual life and it seems that video games are no exception. After all... a person with faster reflexes because they trained are "exploiting" them to win against others in reaction based games. Is that cheating too? Also counting the fact that a very precise order of actions have been researched and prescribed to achieve the results described here would constitute cheating if your definition was followed. As far as I can tell in the video... no deceit, fraud, trickery, or dishonesty was used and neither was anyone deprived of anything... except those that learned something and were deprived of a little bit of ignorance.
You have tricked the game in to giving you a free item. You cheated the rules. In video game context, we would call this specific glitch "duping", and it is considered cheating in any game. Another common name for a possibly useful glitch like this is an 'exploit'.
@@Matthamatic That is not how it works, and you cannot trick a game, the idea is absurd and reveals that you lack any real insight into the issue. Is there a reason you are not able to accept the definition of the word cheat as it is defined? I am only human, if you willfully choose to remain ignorant I can only tell you that you are wrong in hopes that you do not convince others to harbor that same ignorance.
@@CD-vb9fi Figured this would be the reply. I just wanted to be in the screen shot. :)
Haha good EXPLOIT!!!
Hey, no problem at all! Thank you for the support, I sincerely appreciate it!
u can Morph the Tonberry into a Ribbon :)
+spokiee2000
Best Morph ever.
Whew! I just mastered every single materia in the game on the Steam version! Thanks for your guide!
Always been an A person. Plus I'm not gonna BUY more chocobo greens!
K. Charrette
**3 years later...**
yeah but buying stuff kinda loses its meaning when you have like, I don't know, 6 million gil
That is correct! I've always gone the other way, because you do eventually make it there by going right, but if you go left and then right you end up there right away! Thank you, I'll edit an annotation in there.
My rule of thumb is that if an exploit/glitch is only saving you time, then it is not cheating
so, by your logic, if there was a lvl 99 glitch in midgard, that'd totally be okay, because you could theoretically fight battles in midgard to get to that point. your idea also does't necessarily exclude say, a gameshark giving you 99 elixirs, simply because it's possible to get that many, eventually.
tbh i don't actually care, it's just an amusing idea, really. imo, if it's not gonna ruin the game for you, and you want to, fuck it, go for it. doesn't matter if it's labeled as a 'cheat' or not.
hell, i've had awesome experiences where it was 100% cheating - one in replaying the dot hack gu games again, i hacked my skills to give me some of the spells not officially released in the game till vol. 3 - given it's all based on stuff from an earlier series, the effects are still coded into the game weirdly enough.
and second in kongdoms of amalur reckoning, there's a level 40 cap, which lets you make one solid character mostly devoted to 1/3 skill trees, one meh to shit character mostly messing with 2/3 skill trees, or just a kinda shitty one with all 3, with bonuses to your widespread nature to try and compensate, but lacking any access to the best skills. so, at level 39, i used cheat engine to freeze my level at 39 - leveled up like 10+ times after that, getting more skill points to make a truly jack of all trades ish character. was honestly the best character idea, not too OP.
If time and hard work were originally required to receive a reward and you used a glitch to circumvent the work so you can get the reward right away, then you definitely cheated.
Your argument on the W-glitch is amazing.
can you get out of the northern cave?
+ChrisEngle87 ya
+ChrisEngle87 Nice
lol
@@Oxid05 SOURCE???
not if you use the w item exploit.
Thank you so much for this guide! And to the commenters throwing out other very useful info, thank you as well!
OMfg I love you so much! thank you x3!!
I love this video and how clear you are about everything! I wish every TH-camr explained things like you do xD
Thanks! :)
Not to be pedantic, but I would argue that the Javelin is actually SUPERIOR to the Apocalypse rather than the other way around because you gain a gross total of 10 times the battle's given AP rather than the 9 times offered by the Apocalypse.
I'm not sure what you mean, the Apocalypse has three slots versus the Javelin's two, and they both have triple growth, so the Apocalypse would obviously grant a higher amount of experience if more materia is attached to it, unless I am missing something.
4-8Productions I think you're thinking of the Scimitar. Sorry, I should have specified. The Javelin is the double growth weapon with 5 slots, which you said was second best growth to the Apocalypse in your description. I was merely pointing out that if you do the math, 5 slots with double growth = battle's AP amount is received 10 times, whereas with the Apocalypse, 3 slots with triple growth means the battle's AP is received 9 times, giving the Javelin more growth per battle overall.
Kunaal Toprani Oops, my mistake. You're right, the Javelin is superior, but in general it seems better to use the Apocalypse unless you are mastering tons of materia. Trying to master Knights of the Round on a double growth weapon will take forever. Anyways, thank you for the correction! I will edit my description.
Kunaal Toprani I would have to agree with 4-8 Pro, mostly because certain Materia take up to 5x longer than the average rate of mastering. Because there's a hardcap of 200 Materia at a time, you might end up mastering too few KOTR while having way too much everything, and causing alot of problems when you reach said cap.
Eventually I swapped Javelin to Scimitar also, since again, some Materia take way too long to max out. Hell, I swapped Rune for Wizard since again, some Materia level really fast, and others, way too long.
So the result of this discussion is, if you need to master a ton of materia, use a 2x growth item; if you need to master a specific materia, and/or that materia has a very high AP requirement, use 3x growth. In most cases the 2x would work out better.
I've been playing this game religiously for 20 years, fuck all, absolutely NOTHING undiscovered, undone and unsaid and unknown, yet you busy in here and get me like "that's an interesting way to go about it, I may have to do that"
For that I congratulate, and sub. Thankyou sir
The W-Item glitch isn't cheating, It's a piece of coding that works, but also works in an unintended way.
So if anything it's more of an exploit, not a cheat. Plus considering alot of people don't know how to use said glitch I think it's mostly the jealousy speaking when people call it cheating.
Plus considering using the glitch isn't exactly a game breaking "cheat", items usefulness only stretches so far, the rest is down to strategy and the ability to adapt when things don't go as expected.
you can max out your stats fairly easily using the glitch.
When people take advantage of exploits in multiplayer games they still get called cheaters though sadly. Lol
Nub Smoo yeah but the other option is grind for magic sources etc which I aint doing
Jacob Smith 2 year old comment but regardless, it cheating. That's like saying "I used a gameshark to give myself max stats and 999x of every item cause I would've done it anyways so." It's just doesn't hold up. What game dev wants you to just get free good items? None. It's okay. It's not a big deal. You're cheating. Woo.
If you don't use the glitch there are like 2 hero drinks in the whole game, both right at the end, and their usefulness or impact on the game disappear totally. Other items are also rare or hard to get. W-Item glitch makes the game better.
Great video! Similar to my approach. Hadn't thought about the movers though, neat idea. I'm trying for a compete game in 85 hours, and personally I find that it's best to focus on material early. Not directly, since the AP you get is so low, but as a side effect of other things you're doing. What you can do is have just 1 of each kind of material you have equipped at all times. You should always have enough slots to accommodate this.(by the time your material quantity starts outgrowing the number of slots Aeris will get a Fairy Tale, and not too long after you get an Edincoat) When you start grinding to build Limit Breaks(outside of Kalm is a great place to start doing this!) this will put a dent into the AP needed to master. By the end of disc 1 you should have several mastered. In order to keep up with the amount of materia you acquire you can un equip one that is mastered and make a slot space for another. When a material is getting close to being mastered(within 10000 AP) you can put those on the double slots and knock those out to make room for more. When you get the Tiny Bronco you have access to the island south of Mideel, great place to rack up some quick AP and finish them off. Enemy Skill Beta helps end the battles quickly. When you finally have triple slots you should have a lot mastered and can then just focus on the KOTR and other high AP ones. There is more detail to my own strategy but the idea is that you should only have a few not already mastered by the time the Crater even becomes available.
can you do a tutorial on getting limit breaks quickly? pleeaassee
Here's an explanation with Cloud. Start with Braver use it 7 times to get Cross Slash. To get Blade Beam kill 80 enemies. Use Blade Beam 7 times unlocks Climhazard. to unlock limit 3-1 Meteorain you have to kill another 80 after getting Blade Beam. Use Meteorain 7 times to unlock Finishing Touch. then once you get Finishing Touch can use the Omnislash item won from Gold Saucer to teach Omnislash. It's the same for every character. Except the level 4 limit you have to find it in the world.
+Jessmanseventy7 use a hyper on yourself take lots of damage and use the limits lots ive had level3 limits before wall market and Don Cornero
Thank you! You have great guides! Even after all these years there are people like me who are playing the game for the first time now and discovering all these things🙂
1. Yo huh Can I get out of the crater somehow?
2. Should I rest in the inn or use tent 7 times, will it let the Meteor hit the world faster?
huge improvement on previous video. great job. nice to see a person strive to improve
Seriously....like button...hit it!
So I’m starting this game after realizing the remake is my fav game of all time so I decided I should play the original and it’s amazing so far so thx for these videos that I can watch almost a decade in the future. 👍
to the people saying "you didnt mention you can get ribbon from tonberry"..
this video isnt about what you can obtain from the northern cave, its "how to master materia quickly".
Thank you! As for your question, that is really up to your imagination, and that is what makes this game so great. You can train and level up your magic materia, or level up your characters, or just find better ways to combat most of the enemies. There are not too many good leveling up spots early in the game, so the best thing to do is to train next to a save point in the hardest areas available to you at the time. You can watch my IW Challenge for a look at a run with no training at all.
Damn it! I'm a B person!
Thanks for the video! Informative, direct with a great splash of humor. Answered all my questions during my new playthrough on the PS4.
As for the W-Item Glitch being cheating or not, this depends on one's attitude about gaming and purity. FFVII even without the glitch, is a ridiculously easy game (one reason people create challenges like "no item use no summons no inns no random encounters" etc., etc.). So if a person wants to use the W-Item trick to make the game even MORE ridiculously easy, it's hard to see why they should be criticized. It's not a multiplayer game, so it's not like you're getting an advantage over someone else. If there's a part of the game you consider to be senseless grinding that takes away from your fun, by all means, use bugs or exploits to zip past that part. But if you want your huge Elixir total to be something you can honestly brag about, then you will have to
steal them honestly from Gighee or whatever rather than duping them up. The single player thing means bug abuse / glitching is a personal preference thing. Now, if you're doing some kind of challenge or speedrun, there very may well be rules about what sorts of bugs you're allowed to use. If someone finds a glitch tomorrow where you can do some kind of song and dance in the Temple of the Ancients and suddenly skip straight to the North Cave, that would obviously massively cut down on speed runs, and the FFVII speed running community would have to decide whether to accept that bug as "legit" or not. If they decide to reject the bug, then obviously you'd have to refrain from exploiting it to earn their admiration of your best times.
This is similar to an issue we had long ago in the original Diablo (Diablo 1) community on Battle.net. There were players who used trainers to create impossible items, like Godly Full Plate Mail of the Whale, and there were also several easily exploitable in-game bugs, primarily an item duplication bug that worked similarly to the W-Item trick and allowed perfect replication of equipment and potions. As a result, Battle.net was flooded with duplicates of high powered items, to the point that newbies getting online could easily go into a chatroom and beg for a few minutes and quickly find a player willing to dupe (duplicate) top-level equipment to give to them. Such equipment of course takes all the challenge out of the game and often such newbies would wind up being quickly bored by the game. Those of us in a group called the DSF (Diablo Strategy Forum) argued against bug usage, a playstyle we called playing "legit". Diablo wasn't quite as easy as FFVII but it was close, and indeed players came up with many challenges (called "variants") to make play more challenging than the easy base game. We did not scorn people who used bugs, but neither did we respect them. To earn our respect you had to not only play legit, but strive to challenge yourself beyond the limits of the base game.
(One example of a challenge was the "Ironman" game - a team would create new level 1 characters, go down into the dungeon, and never come back up. No buying or repairing anything in town - you had to live off the land, get potions and weapons dropped by monsters, and somehow stay alive to beat the final boss. Ironman games were a tough challenge and most teams, even when played by experts, would die horribly within a few levels. Actual Ironman victories happened maybe once a year, and were celebrated as true epics.)
A side issue with bugs and exploits is the matter of intentionality. Some gamers say that if a glitch was somehow intentional - intended by the developers - then it's not a bug at all, but an easter egg or a hidden feature. If it was unintentional, then it was a bug. People often use this divide to try to define some bugs as cheating and some not. For the W-Item glitch, I think this is a hazy area. If you had asked me ten years ago, I'd have said "obviously it was not intentional, it's a side effect of the W-Item glitch aspect where it can eat your items". But from what I hear, the glitch was *partially* fixed in the recent PC rerelease - the glitch still works for throwables and consumables but not for Sources. This seems to argue that the team who made the port (who I guess at least
technically represent the game developers, even though of course FFVII's original dev team have mostly moved on), by not removing the glitch entirely, are sending a signal that the glitch is an intentional part of the game. So for some people, this means W-Item glitch has now been given the Squenix Seal of Approval making it OK.
But for me, the idea of deciding whether a bug is OK based on whether the developers intended it, misses the point. The developers aren't in the room with you and don't care what you do (as long as you're not cheating in an MMO, that is). Cheat or not, it's all the same to them - they already got your money. I think that people use the "intentionality" argument to simply support a position they've already decided (for or against), ie., a rationalization. To me, what matters isn't whether the bug was intended, it's what effect it has on the game. Does it make it more fun? Less fun? More challenging? Less challenging? These are the only things that matter.
So to me, I think it's up to every player to decide whether bug exploitation suits them. Are you just in it to see all the game has to offer (ie., go to all the places, get all the weapons, kill one of every monster, that kind of thing)? If so, bug abuse may help you achieve your goal. But if instead you're up for a challenge, you'll want to avoid anything that makes an already easy game easier, which would include bugs and exploits. And of course, if you want bragging rights, or to show off your skills, you will need to develop skills - and that means you will need to practice without the training wheels that bugs provide.
+nfinn42 This is a great post, but I have to correct you on something: the glitch does still work for sources on the PC version. I've had it and done it before. So it honestly wasn't fixed at all.
Oh, OK. Thanks for the info! :)
nfinn42 With all due respect, I'm pretty sure you couldn't duplicate things like sources (and other non-battle items) using the glitch in the first place. However, our homefry here who made all these videos does mention in one of his videos how to duplicate things like sources. It's probably in the "glitches and oddities" video. It's like a glitch within a glitch.
You can also find the scimitar when digging in bone village, that was how I came by that weapon.
can you make one on how to get a date with Barret? I'm playing it on PS4
naruaztec it has something to do with giving negative speech options with both tifa and aeris, through out the game to that point, if they both don’t like you then you get a date with Barrett, I think.. don’t quote me on that.
just came to re watch again.thanks
Also if you got extra slots, master all materia. They sell for like 1.4 mill mastered. Not super useful but interesting.
Definitely makes it a lot easier to get the 99,999,999 Gil trophy on the PS4!
Thank you, thank you! :D I am playing FFVII for my first time. I'm at the end and wanting to max my Materia so this was helpful. Also glad you put in about how to leave the Crater. I've been using the official guidebook and the way they word a couple things REALLY makes it sound like you cannot leave, so I was worried about entering (didn't help that friends who've beaten even think you can't leave haha). Thanks!
The W-item glitch is not cheating. Why?
Because I picked the first item, then chose the second item, changed my mind, and canceled the second item. Am I not allowed to ever change my mind and cancel the 2nd item? To avoid the glitch would interfere with the normal way you'd play and make decisions throughout the game.
The fact that it duplicates the first item was not my "intention", but what's done is done. I'm not gonna waste time counting, recounting, and deleting items just because the programmers messed up. So I just move on with my life and not worry about it.
an honest mistake... of course the 12897598 th time you repeat the mistake you already figured out your inventory is packed with lots of convenient usables and how exploiting glitches breaks the game pacing... ;)
If someone underpays to the IRS one year and notices extra $ in the bank, that can happen. Doing it for the next 15 years I don't think, "Oops, my bad. Honest mistake!" will fly during the audit.
Jack exactly
I could see how that could be construed as cheating. Though as he mentioned earlier this is meant for end game grinding really. When elixers and everything else is pretty easy to obtain, just time consuming. However using the w-item glitch early in the game to duplicate one of the few elixers or mega elixers you get before they're readily available would certainly break pacing.
except it is cheating. the only real question is if it bothers you. most people don't get bothered by it, but purists/challenge runners usually are. personally, i love time saving glitches. it simply means more time to enjoy the parts i like.
1. If you use Final Attack + Revive you cannot lose as long as you keep your mp up.
2. If you equip less materia, Aire Tam Storm will do less/no damage.
3. Equip the underwater materia to remove the time limit.
lol you made this 3 years ago
+BoxODoughnuts lol what a loser having old videos n shiiiet
+4-8Productions nooooo this video is 3 years old and in the video you said this was a remake of a video you did 3 years ago i just though it was funny
+BoxODoughnuts Ahhh I gotcha bro ;)
smoke weed every day?
5 almost 6 years now!FF comments and replys are ageless and much appreciated!!
I know literally everything about this game and I don't need to watch these tutorials, but I's still watching them for nostalgia and comedy.
No, its not cheating -- but it is exploiting a glitch. pure and simple, the biggest question would be; "Do you feel guilty doing it?"
No, W-item materia uses the power of the planet to duplicate the item. That's what I tell myself :')
Dennis De Schutter That's actually true.
Mx6Own0r i c wut u did ther
4-8Productions
Where?
@@dennisdeschutter621 the power of the planet? lol
I can only imagine my experience in the game while i follow your every steps,it would be amazing👍
I agree with the not cheating aspect of w-item and I'm glad you mentioned it, because stealing elixers over and over is so tedious. My only gripe with this (other than watching and hoping someone knew what I didn't since 1997 lol) is the menu things that are switched to speed up the battle. Even to start the game of, before I even get into my first fight I change the battle speed to max, but as for the ATB and battle message\field message... The only thing changing ATB to active is going to do is make it so you can be attacked while in a menu, and your teammates battle timer fills while your doing whatever else. As for the battle\field message, I put those at 75% because the ONLY thing that affects is how fast ANY text bubble is in\out of battle, field affects everything out of battle, where as battle message will make it so when your characters or enemies talk in battle (like the scorpion guard in reactor 7 when Cloud tells Barret not to attack while it's tail is up) it moves a lot faster. Also, if you have the ATB set to active, any enemies that flee during battle are free to do so, such as Chocobo's and the like. My opinion? Set ATB to WAIT, turn the BATTLE SPEED up and do whatever you want with field\battle message, turn it up or down, whatever is a better or more comfortable reading pace, as all it does is affect text.
Royce Yeomans Thanks Royce! You are definitely right about the text boxes, since this video is more about materia and not about config I kind of dumbed it down to just "set everything to fast", but your explanation is great for anybody looking for a more specific explanation of the config. In all reality none of it will really affect how quickly you master the materia using this strategy to a great extent, except maybe battle speed.
NP, and lemme just mention (because i've been looking for an excuse to gush about it hahaha) that watching these videos have recently inspired me to replay FF7 (finally) and aim for a "perfect game"! I can't wait to try out the Omnislash mime-counter effect, that's just too good!
Choose the option "good treasure" and dig on the X in the dirt on the first floor to the right of the guy you talk to. The first time you dig there you should get a mop, the second time you should get the W-Item Materia. There's about a 1/3 chance that you will get it.
I love these videos! I've been playing this game since it came out, and I love learning more about it! Keep it up!
One tiny thing, you need to take the left path at the fork and then the first doorway on your right will lead to the swamp area.
The right hand path takes you to where the Marlboros and grim reaper enemies are.
Great tutorial though, magic pot makes grinding 100 times easier.
Hey, just wanted to say that you truly have all the things that's right about guides etc.
I never subscribe, but you totally deserve it.
I will most likely make a video for this at some point, but I didn't want to get off the topic of Materia Mastering, which is what this video is about. Definitely a time-saving trick though! ;)
Just a point. Cid has a dougle growth weapon with 5 slots (2 linked + 2 linked + 1). It is a good weapon to master materia. Nice video.
A couple years, when I re-played FFVII, I only found out then that you could actually leave the crater. It took me 15 years to find that out. =p
Cool, a glitchless method to farm magic pots.
I've always just saved my elixirs and shamelessly used the W-item glitch. Kudos to you and anyone that actually farmed those.
Dude that first video is fuckin hilarious man. Keep it up because the stark contrast from this one to that is pretty god damn funny. Cheers m8
Cid has a 5 slotted (2 linked and 1 single) DOUBLE growth weapon that I did not see in your video. I believe it's the Javelin. It's the second best weapon for Materia growth in the game.
As he said in the video, yes people, you can leave the North Crater. The "point of no return", as it were, is at the bottommost point of the Crater, where you begin the final push to fight Jenova Synthesis.
Prior to The Temple of the ancients you can fight on the island of Mideel using the tiny bronco. You can fight the head hunters who give 80 AP per. So if you want to do some nice leveling up just after Rocket Town, there you go. By this time you have double growth weapons and really a great way of getting the small Materia mastered early.
You can also morph Master Tonberrys into extra ribbons. It’s vulnerable to stop but use the enemy skill Death Force as an extra precaution. That way if the Tonberry gets close and stabs you, Death Force protects you from instant death
Oh and you get Death Force from that big turtle on the sand area near Wutai. Best to use the manipulate materia on it.
Best way to deal with master tonberry is stop or Hades. I find also having a mime and a 4x cut speeds up the grind as well. The mime is good for steals or stops that don't land and for hitting tonberry harder. One character has 4x cut, another stop, the third mime. The rest of your materia slots are available for growth. Cheers.
Oh my god this is so useful, I was going to start grinding and mastering materia tomorrow to take down the WEAPONs and this is just perfect for my situation
Lord Alituj I'm glad this video was useful for you! If you want to help me out, join our Patron Exclusive club, it's only $1/mo and you'll get some really awesome stuff!
I just want to say, I'm re playing ff7 for the first time in about 12 years and your videos have been awesome in doing so. Such a beloved favorite of mine, and I've played through it about 10 times or so, but this time through I'm learning and seeing new things because of your videos. Thanks man, you rock!
Playing FFVII again instead of the remake. That clip from the original video sounds hilarious!
You can disk 1 level materia in junon. Once you get the buggy, drive into costa del sol and take the boat to junon. Go past the shops, then past the Rufus tram to the hallway. There is a group of shinra practicing. On the wall is a red alarm. Press it. The annoying alarm will sound amd you can fight the disk 2 enemies that are supposed to be for the submarine mission. As a bonus, the inn is right back the way you came, the dog will walk towards the door you want as you approach it so you can rest and save all you want.
Since you drove the buggy into Costa, if you exit junon (just talk to the guy near the inn waving at the sky, he'll flag a helicopter, or just walk all the way out) you can now drive the buggy over to ft. Condor area and cross the river to get to the cave with the sleepy old dude. Sleepy old dude will give you an item for the last two digits being even for example, you fought 1322 fights. he'll give you mythril for odd (fought 1333 fights). Now once you get tiny bronco, bring that mythril to the single house near gongaga and give to the guy whos now home. Choose the small box (safe on the wall upstairs) and you get Aeris' (Aerith's) final limit break. The large box is just a gold armlet in case you were wondering.
Another area where one can "multi-task", you will need a turbo controller. Go to the archipelago of islands, where you can fight the sand worms on the beach. On one of those if you just hold up it will run cloud just around the corner on the beach and back without leaving it. Tape the direction pad up and turbo circle I believe ( it has been years) tape that down amd just walk away. This is slower than the northern cave ( movers give tons of AP), but it will master all that materia while you are out enjoying the fresh air, or getting some much needed rest.
Good tip! This will speed things up a bit if you are getting a lot of Allmagne fights.
The other great thing about leveling up in the sunken gelinka is that all the monsters in the SG can be morphed in sources, and the conformer is found in the SG. If anyone doesn't know, the Conformer is Yuffie's final weapon and it has an added effect that allows her morph to do the same amount of damage as her regular attack command. Training here at any point in the 2nd disc can not only give you lots of exp/gil/ap, it can make your party power houses by boosting stats with sources