They already use SRP instead of MSRP. SRP is whatever they want to add on to the MSRP and fool folks that it is MSRP. This is being done with fees and adders even on corrolas. So yeah they will sticker bump these for sure.
@@cmiles97x38not if you find a reputable dealer. If you are in DFW, I recommend Freeman Toyota. They are absolutely the best. We have purchased all of our 4Runners from them.
@@matthewschiebout7384zero, 162k, usually about .5 quarts every oil change (3k) thing never skips a beat. Possible the turbo was rebuilt before i got it, at 120k miles. But doesnt look like it. It's original
My first new vehicle was a 1988 SR5 4-cyl (22R) 4x4 extended cab pickup. It wasn't a Jeep, but it did great off-road. I think I financed the full $12K. My how times have changed.
That's what toyota is so good at. They can make it new but bring the old design in enough to make everyone happy. They don't go for full total change like some other manufacturers which could be a flop.
@@nicumarc5788 I was the same way but realizing that it's not an option any more is forcing me to accept it lol. And seeing everyone talk about how much more power they have is good. Plus you you know someone will come out with a tune or something for even more power.
Find a different dealer. Our local ones don't charge extra (though they tried adding in $500 for pin striping, door handle protection, and nitrogen in the tires. Now they're adding in $800 for their ceramic wax), but the $15k addition that the Roseville one wrote in on even the low end Sienna made me not take them seriously.
I like that you guys talk about the tire differences between the Taco and 4R. It would be interesting to also mention the wheel size, width and offset.
Of course, always good to see Roman leading a video because, well, he's the big chief of TFL and a big Toyota fan , of course, and with Andre by his side we know it's going to be, well, a really good comparison between the 4Runner and Tacoma because each truck is really equipped for off-roading, of course. Well, there you have it, of course. Ciao!
They are the same engineers. Mike Sweers basically oversees these things. They are tailored to different buyers so the feature set is going to look different.
I would be happy to buy one if I could afford it, but unfortunately truck prices have gotten out of my reach. There is a point where I will say no because I am smart with my money and refuse to invest larger amounts into things that depreciate super fast like cars and trucks. I prefer to drive older and put my money to work making me more money then to watch it dis-appear in thin air. I think everybody has gotten to the same point as I have and are simply doing without because they are NOT paying the astronomical costs for a truck.
@@Evan-wt9zs He is one of those that walks into a dealership and says how much is that truck and dealer says 100k and then says OK what can you do to get my payments to ____number? Never pays attention to interest or years of loan. Never looks at depreciation or estimated cost of ownership.
you're right, but our discontent is misdirected. Manufacturers and dealer prices are tracking with inflation so it's fair pricing. The affordability issue is our paychecks do not track with inflation. The increase in auto prices wouldn't be a problem if our income increased equally.
@@smittysmitty481 Completely disagree, Ford wins hands down IMO. Toyota doesn't make anything to compete with the Super Duty, Transit Van, Bronco Raptor, F150 Raptor or Raptor R, Ranger Raptor, Mustang Darkhorse and GTD, or the FORD GT!!! Toyotas are neat, but have too much plastic for me. They are definitely trying to catch up, but aren't quite there yet.
Except for the tundra , No trailhunter trim? The front end needs to be redesigned, and the front lights need to be updated to the rigid amber and white lights
@@BearMacTX don’t disagree just to disagree. How many raptors do they sell? How many Dark horses or gtds do you see on the road? Let’s forget about the GT because there’s less than 5000 made. The pick up truck market is collapsing because nobody has 70k+ to spend on things that are gonna depreciate quickly. Whether you agree or not Toyota is currently the biggest manufacturer in the world.
3.4L Twin Turbo V6 non hybrid is why. Not as complicated, although there are many 20 year old Prius hybrids running around with most of their battery life
Thank you for actually mentioning the seat position when discussing rear seat legroom (and showing it with the seat all the way back). It's amazing how many auto reviewers miss this basic item. I also wish reviewers would start mentioning how far back the front seat actually goes, as I find all Hondas do not go back far enough for my legs to get comfortable.
When people talk about torque and horsepower and turbos it gets me every time! I always struggle getting around people driving big trucks and suvs blocking the left lane! And that is in my 2003 vw golf mk4…
This is awesome. They really didn’t mess this thing up. No dumb top that comes off or super overhaul of the look. Just modernizing what was amazing about the last gen but brought to today. Also doesn’t make you too jealous if you bought the fifth gen. Would really love to see the sr5 premium 4x4 model when it is available to see. Love the Chanel guys
I see a 4Runner and TACO is hubby and I's future! We love our Bronco's, but the price point on these is just so much better! We overland more than offroad, so these would be perfect! Me in a 4Runner and hubby in a TACO! This gives us a year or two for thee hype to wear down!
I am disappointed they did not bring back a manual transmission for the new 4Runner. I don’t understand why they still do it for the Tacoma but no other else.
Same. Especially if they’re mechanically the same forward of the B pillar. I can’t imagine that it wasn’t possible. I’d have gone with this over a Bronco if could row my own gears.
There is no demand and it reduces mpg. In addition they are unsafe since a missed shift could cause a collision. I’m actually a little shocked that the Taco retained one. I bet it gets dropped after a year or two.
I like it, but I was hoping after the Land Cruiser came out that the 4Runner would go in the Bronco/Wrangler direction like the old 4Runner was. I don't understand why they have the Land Cruiser where it is if it's a 4Runner basically.
Am I the only that sees Isuzu VehiCROSS in the rear? Overall I can appreciate what it is and I think it will do a great job carrying on the name. Personally I am more interested in the potential small off roader (some people are calling it the return of the FJ Cruiser) that is supposed to be about the size of the Corolla Cross. Hopefully it comes to the US market.
Bronco Sport doesn't compete with the 4 Runner or Wrangler. Wrangler is a better off-roader, but 4Runner is not that far behind and it's a much better daily driver.
@@appalachianpatriot1796 100% Agree and just did the same. Had a 2021 4XE that was constantly in the shop. Warranty work and recalls galore. Had a recall on the battery and couldn't use the hybrid portion for 5 months. Doggy POS because it is dragging around a 700 lb battery. My suggestion is stay away from Jeep at this point.
Am I correct when I say the landcruiser and 4runner are nearly identical in almost every way? What's the reason to "upgrade" to the landcruiser? Especially considering the 4runner might have 3rd row seating option when the landcruiser does not
Better looking better interior kdss system. I’d say the 4Runner is the least buy worthy compared to gx550 base and Land Cruiser. Unless you want just a base 4 runner.
The black fender flares makes the wheel well look giant and subsequently the tire look too small. Other than the ridiculous floor in the rear I think its nice. Not selling my 2022 Wildtrak 2 door over it though.
I agree there is no way 4 cyl can be as durable as the 4.L V6 naturally aspirated engine. The 4L has a lot less stress on the engine making it more durable. Wish they had a simple V6 option available. I’d get it in a heartbeat over the 4 cyl. Plus the turbos do require premium fuel. So even the “fuel saving” doesn’t really make sense. Other than that I think it’s the best looking in the lineup. This look and the GX is my favourite
@@blueplanet1048they will be fine. Everyone has said this about every engine advancement ever. New ones won’t last because of higher compression ratios, yet they do, etc… Toyota seems to have general powertrain reliability down.
I hate how they put the buttons right below where the driver and passenger both rest their hands that will affect the drive train and could break the vehicle if pressed while driving.
Honestly, as a 5th gen owner and a fan of the new land cruiser I didn't expect the 6th gen 4runner to have any real appeal to me. I gotta admit, if I was looking to upgrade I eould have to seriously consoder the 6th gen vs the land cruiser. Not sure thats a good thing for toyota that the two are so similar in size but the 4runner looks fantastic, the gas mileage is going to be sooo much better thsn the 5th gen, and the trail hunter package with the big inverter makes it a ready mad eoverlander from thr factory!
It kinda looks like a Nissan Xterra as for the engine options. I like it to you can have two options, poison oak, or poison ivy neither of them are very enjoyable, but don’t worry they won’t last a long time
Big issues I can see from an engineering and serviceability standpoint: 1. The hybrid powertrain battery not only takes away from rear cargo room substantially without a taller roof line than the last gen, but it drops the spare and the exhaust way down close to the ground. Not to mention, how does one comfortably put hundreds of lbs of gear and drawers on top of batteries - how can you even service it without fully ripping apart your rig? 2. The turbo adds complexity, this is much more of an issue than the hybrid part of the powertrain 3. Looks like at the first glance the fender flares are just cosmetic and the limitations that exist in wheel well arches are still there maybe even worse - for larger tires etc. These shocks are great eye candy but have zero adjustability, no idea if they’re rebuildable, and the springs they come with are clearly not setup for the weight of any light over lander even. Lift height is even lower than TRD pro 4. Brakes look tiny, no upgrade there from what I can see 5. There is less room in the back in every way - especially with sunroof 6. The way the back seats fold is like an LC200, it takes up a ton of space and isn’t nearly as flat as current gen. With a drawer system in back as an over lander, you are neutered in how you can use that 2nd floor as a loading space with the way they fold down 7. I’m sure that onboard air compressor is weak, and I’m even more sure the onboard hybrid 2400W power isn’t pure sine. The current inverters have such dirty power that you can’t even charge a battery backup with them - 400w or 2400w idk about actual power delivery on this thing. Let alone serviceability of it 8. EKDSS not being available is a huge suck 9. Full time AWD Torsen with center locker not being available except on street limited and platinum trims is a huge suck 10. For 8-9 you have to get a land cruiser for both, and neither the cruiser or the limited are setup for serious off road and overlanding. So you can’t have both factory lockers and disconnects and the full time awd and ekdss. I suspect that will be possible in an 85k trail hunter land cruiser trim. Sounds more like a Land Rover to me… Smaller issues: 1. Rear quarter glass wrapping up like that is an accident waiting to happen 2. Power rear door is a nice idea if you don’t mount anything to it and add weight 3. No silly Tacoma suspension seats since it is Japanese made instead of USA 4. 18” factory wheels are too big with too little sidewall and “H!!!” lol passenger car rated “all terrain” tires for the TRD pro - so we still have to change wheels out for 17s and redo the whole thing, so minimum 3k dropped right there 5. The engine sounds like a Camry - rattly and pissed 6. The window is raked so far back with such a high hoodlike that visibility is much more narrow vertically 7. No appreciable size improvement - in fact rear wheel arches intrude as much if not more inwards than before 8. No revision to panhard or multi link system in rear really, in fact bolt diameters look smaller, steel looks thinner, everything looks kinda the same but a little less beefy. I’m sure the metallurgy is better with stronger or more efficient steel and welds though 9. Towing more but with no transmission cooler still 10. No driver side grab handle…guys.. 11. Making a Tacoma refresh and form fitting 4Runner into it is a bit sad Benefits: 1. More efficient frame and body structure 2. Factory lighting, wiring, and at least basic sliders (not sure of durability construction or mounting), skids and suspension 3. Aforementioned oem stuff means holes pre drilled from factory and a larger oem catalogue to order from. The holes will make aftermarket easier - part of the work has been done already 4. Obviously the interior space is more creature comforted and tech upgraded in all ways 5. Power tailgate - I know I said could be a negative but largely a huge positive 6. An adaptive suspension option is cool on street trims, if like the Lexus using electronic adjustment instead of air - it actually is bulletproof 7. Looks and all, but tbh it is very similar to current gen 8. Much more power and torque - as long as your turbo works and battery isn’t dead / electrical system fried 9. Hard to find a whole lot of pros for me over 5th gen, I know it’s ground up new but it feels incremental…
I was originally dead set on getting another 5th gen before they aren’t available anymore however I’ll definitely be getting a 6th gen. I’d prefer a 6 cylinder engine but their turbo 4 isn’t bad. Great review.
It looks like they did a pretty good job with it. Ive got a 5th Gen and i do like what theyve done, for now. We'll have to wait and see if these 4cyl turbo engines are robust enough to be as bullet proof as the engines they are replacing (V6 and V8). If i were in the buying mood (and might be in the next 2 years), i think i'd just stretch it a bit and step up to a Land Cruiser...Ive lived the T4R life for the past 10yrs...my next vehicle would either be a new LC and throw some 33s on it or a T4R TRD Pro as my plan B.
At least, in video the hood looks disproportionately long to the rest of the body, and the windshield is too sloped compared to the Gen 5. I think they nailed the boxy style on the Land Cruiser more than the 4Runner.
They made the 4runner look bigger on the outside but tiny on the inside. The rear trunk space is a total let down. Just how they ruined the sequoia. At least the roll down rear window is still there
They're gonna be as base and watered down as the taco. And priced out of this world. SR5 will probably be 50k after dealers order them how they see fit. And seeing as how you can't order from Toyota, the dealers will add expensive packages to the SR5, Sport and TRD OR to put them mid 50s to 60.
love it. "The front seat is all the way back" as the rear seat legroom looks short. Moves front seat fwd 1 inch and then sits in driver's seat and doesn't fit LOL
@@makerdistrict I'm sure the specs will tell headroom with and without pano. In the new tundra there is a noticable difference in headroom. In the pano model in backseat my head only fits into a little cutout, kind of uncomfortable... In the non-pano I'm nowhere near the headliner, there is no 2" bump
Yeah that’s a known issue with Sequoia and Tundra. Saw TRD Jon (I believe it was him, I’ve watched so many videos now 😅) sit in the back seat of the 6th gen and his head was almost hitting the back of the sunroof. If it had the pano and that frame was extended closer to the trunk, that wouldn’t be an issue in the backseat.
@@makerdistrict you could be right, and I don't know how it is with other vehicles, only the third Gen Tundra, but the space that the pano takes up lowers the headroom significantly. I'm 6'3" so it probably effected me more, and that is only in the back seat.
What most have not mentioned is that the new 4Runner is no longer a mid-size truck it has the same wheelbase width and length as the big Land Cruiser 200, 250, 300, GX, LX. Its now a full-size monster truck!
I dig the new design. It's a throwback of sorts to the second gen 4Runner but takes some of the design cues from the new Tacoma. The Trailhunter and TRD Pro look good, but I'm sure the Limited version will look really slick as well.
The 4 runner has sold me now with the automatic lift gate. The only possible deal breaker is wheather it has parking sensors. However, you can get aftermarker sensors so may not be a big deal. This will likely be my next vehicle.
I'm sure most if not all models will get the parking sensors. My 22 Tundra SR5 has them, my brother's 20 TRD PRO Tundra doesn't have them, new gens have more safety tech standard
@@stevieray1828 Think so, I have been wondering about that. All honda passports come with them. The new fuel efficient engine, power lift gate, and parking sensors will make it hard to pass up.
Looks pretty cool. May end up with a Land Cruiser. Just seems like they couldn't decide on a consistent style. Lots of bulges,strange body lines and still no metal bumpers or decent rock rails on the TRD pro.
The new runner looks like a cross between a 4th gen and a 5th gen with the best of both taken from both. And its still made in Japan so that means superior quality. I'm gonna always keep my 5th gen but I think I'm gonna add the 6th gen to my list of things to buy in a few years
I’m honestly so glad Toyota is getting rid of the carbon fiber on TRD vehicles. Being that I live in Texas I wanted a TRD but really didn’t NEED it and since I was so turned off by the carbon fiber I went with the SR5 with black TRD package.
The limited looks good but the trd with those black fender flares looks cheap. I see that the second row leg room isn't as good as the 5th gen. I purchased the 2024 & glad I did. I'm not liking the 2.4 turbo. Goodbye reliability & longevity.
Sorta disappointing. Glad they used Tacoma chasis because the original 4Runner was essentially a pickup truck with a cap and back seats. But, looks too much like it shares common designs with all their other models. Don't like squinty headlights on a truck.
Thanks for the video. Can you explain why the premium gets full-time 4wd and what it gives up compared to the TRD PRO. Is full-time 4wd available for the TRD PRO as an option?
It would make more sense to compare the Trailhunter 4Runner vs the Trailhunter Tacoma. And the TRD Pro variants. The Trailhunter 4R has Old Man Emu shocks, and a desert air intake also.
It looks like the Pontiac Aztec designer is still working in the auto biz. There’s a little too much front and rear overhang for me and it would be nice if they brought back a solid front axle.
@TFL you said the Trailhunter is going to be one step below the TRD Pro trim level? Am I understanding that correctly? My top choices so far are the Chevy ZR2 or the Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro, so I’m trying to compare them the most, features, price, etc.
I wouldn't say below. I'd say comparable cost but different focus. TRD Pro = high speed off-road. Trailhunter = Overland type activities and crawl focused off-roading.
Missed Opportunity IMO .Toyota destroyed the land cruiser brand by making the 250 mechanically identical to the Tacoma and now failed to differentiate the 4runner in the slightest.
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Dealerships rubbing their hands and licking their lips
Raising the sticker prices over msrp already 🤣
They already use SRP instead of MSRP. SRP is whatever they want to add on to the MSRP and fool folks that it is MSRP. This is being done with fees and adders even on corrolas. So yeah they will sticker bump these for sure.
@@cmiles97x38bump or balloon?
@@cmiles97x38not if you find a reputable dealer. If you are in DFW, I recommend Freeman Toyota. They are absolutely the best. We have purchased all of our 4Runners from them.
The reasonable Toyota community needs to stick together and say no way!
Hey TFL, please buy either a 4Runner or a Land Cruiser as a long term test vehicle. I would love to see what you guys do with it.
YES!
STILL daily driving my factory 87 4runner turbo sr5😊
Glad to see the rear window styling back
But cmon Toyota, make the rear top removable again!
how many turbos have you put on it?
Man. Them turbo 22re trucks are rare now.
Amen! I definitely agree with you on this one! They should! That would be cool and awesome!
@@matthewschiebout7384zero, 162k, usually about .5 quarts every oil change (3k) thing never skips a beat.
Possible the turbo was rebuilt before i got it, at 120k miles. But doesnt look like it. It's original
My first new vehicle was a 1988 SR5 4-cyl (22R) 4x4 extended cab pickup. It wasn't a Jeep, but it did great off-road. I think I financed the full $12K. My how times have changed.
Love that rear quarter window designs. Reminiscent of 1st and 2nd gens. Only wish they kept transfer case lever.
And the third window is also reminiscent of the Third Generation 4Runner, as well! I love it.
@@Queensizemusic I find the rear quarter windows reminiscent of 1st and 2nd gen
Actually it’s all 3! The rear quarter from the 1st and second gen, but I can see a little bit of the 3rd gen as well
Actually, I'm kind of glad they didn't screw with the design too much. It still looks like a 4Runner. ...as it should.
That's what toyota is so good at. They can make it new but bring the old design in enough to make everyone happy. They don't go for full total change like some other manufacturers which could be a flop.
Looks similar but they put turbo 4 cylinder engine and took away the naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engine.
Nobody wants an entirely new gen to look exactly like the old gen.
I am not getting no 4 cylinder 4 runner!I don’t care it does this or that…give me back the v6
@@nicumarc5788 I was the same way but realizing that it's not an option any more is forcing me to accept it lol. And seeing everyone talk about how much more power they have is good. Plus you you know someone will come out with a tune or something for even more power.
Can’t wait for these to be marked up $30,000 over MSRP.
Find a different dealer. Our local ones don't charge extra (though they tried adding in $500 for pin striping, door handle protection, and nitrogen in the tires. Now they're adding in $800 for their ceramic wax), but the $15k addition that the Roseville one wrote in on even the low end Sienna made me not take them seriously.
I like that you guys talk about the tire differences between the Taco and 4R. It would be interesting to also mention the wheel size, width and offset.
I love that they made an overland ready to go trim. I don’t need all that after market stuff but if it already comes with it, even better!
Of course, always good to see Roman leading a video because, well, he's the big chief of TFL and a big Toyota fan , of course, and with Andre by his side we know it's going to be, well, a really good comparison between the 4Runner and Tacoma because each truck is really equipped for off-roading, of course. Well, there you have it, of course. Ciao!
Easily one of the toyota videos of all time!
Anyone else agree that the Tundra engineers have got to be pissed, every other vehicle in the lineup looks better and has better features lol 😂
Almost feels like they HAVE to do a mild refresh soon to keep up.
Squeeze some 35s on that Tundra and it'll look 10x better 👌🏼
They are the same engineers. Mike Sweers basically oversees these things. They are tailored to different buyers so the feature set is going to look different.
They just need to change that ridiculous grill. Look at how much better the Sequoia looks.
@@Josh-179…AND SIGNIFICANTLY improve quality control!! I’d be in the market for one today if it had real Toyota quality.
I would be happy to buy one if I could afford it, but unfortunately truck prices have gotten out of my reach. There is a point where I will say no because I am smart with my money and refuse to invest larger amounts into things that depreciate super fast like cars and trucks. I prefer to drive older and put my money to work making me more money then to watch it dis-appear in thin air. I think everybody has gotten to the same point as I have and are simply doing without because they are NOT paying the astronomical costs for a truck.
So, what are you trying to say?
@@figmo7494 New truck prices have gotten out of control.
@@Evan-wt9zs He is one of those that walks into a dealership and says how much is that truck and dealer says 100k and then says OK what can you do to get my payments to ____number? Never pays attention to interest or years of loan. Never looks at depreciation or estimated cost of ownership.
you're right, but our discontent is misdirected. Manufacturers and dealer prices are tracking with inflation so it's fair pricing. The affordability issue is our paychecks do not track with inflation. The increase in auto prices wouldn't be a problem if our income increased equally.
"invest larger amounts into things that depreciate super fast" This is literally NOT the definition of invest.
4Runner looks good! Nice job Toyota!!
I think Toyota has the best vehicle lineup out of all other manufacturers right now.
Agreed & sales are up for them in Q1
@@smittysmitty481 Completely disagree, Ford wins hands down IMO. Toyota doesn't make anything to compete with the Super Duty, Transit Van, Bronco Raptor, F150 Raptor or Raptor R, Ranger Raptor, Mustang Darkhorse and GTD, or the FORD GT!!! Toyotas are neat, but have too much plastic for me. They are definitely trying to catch up, but aren't quite there yet.
Except for the tundra , No trailhunter trim? The front end needs to be redesigned, and the front lights need to be updated to the rigid amber and white lights
@BearMacTX - Time will tell…
@@BearMacTX don’t disagree just to disagree. How many raptors do they sell? How many Dark horses or gtds do you see on the road? Let’s forget about the GT because there’s less than 5000 made. The pick up truck market is collapsing because nobody has 70k+ to spend on things that are gonna depreciate quickly. Whether you agree or not Toyota is currently the biggest manufacturer in the world.
GX 550 seems to be the way to go.
Why?
its 30k more so it should be lol
@@Veyronp87 and the LC and 4Runner aren't?
3.4L Twin Turbo V6 non hybrid is why. Not as complicated, although there are many 20 year old Prius hybrids running around with most of their battery life
@@Veyronp87false. The trailhunter 4Runner is gx550 overtrail price. And it’s an ugly piece of shit with a trash engine and less quality top to bottom
Thank you for actually mentioning the seat position when discussing rear seat legroom (and showing it with the seat all the way back). It's amazing how many auto reviewers miss this basic item. I also wish reviewers would start mentioning how far back the front seat actually goes, as I find all Hondas do not go back far enough for my legs to get comfortable.
When people talk about torque and horsepower and turbos it gets me every time! I always struggle getting around people driving big trucks and suvs blocking the left lane! And that is in my 2003 vw golf mk4…
This is awesome. They really didn’t mess this thing up. No dumb top that comes off or super overhaul of the look. Just modernizing what was amazing about the last gen but brought to today. Also doesn’t make you too jealous if you bought the fifth gen. Would really love to see the sr5 premium 4x4 model when it is available to see. Love the Chanel guys
Except the trash engine
This 6th Gen did not disappoint. Looks great!
The new 2024 Tacoma needs the full rear window to roll all the way down like on the Tundra and 4 runner
Thank God I bought a 2021 4Runner TRD ORP with pull out rear cargo tray!!! And transfer case shifter! Will keep mine forever.
4Runner released 8 years before Tacoma.. but 1st gen 4R was built off a pickup frame, but not exactly the Tacoma.
I see a 4Runner and TACO is hubby and I's future! We love our Bronco's, but the price point on these is just so much better! We overland more than offroad, so these would be perfect! Me in a 4Runner and hubby in a TACO! This gives us a year or two for thee hype to wear down!
*hubby's and my
I am disappointed they did not bring back a manual transmission for the new 4Runner. I don’t understand why they still do it for the Tacoma but no other else.
Same. Especially if they’re mechanically the same forward of the B pillar. I can’t imagine that it wasn’t possible. I’d have gone with this over a Bronco if could row my own gears.
There is no demand and it reduces mpg. In addition they are unsafe since a missed shift could cause a collision. I’m actually a little shocked that the Taco retained one. I bet it gets dropped after a year or two.
Why cater to 1% of the market ? That's why 😊
@@camooo101 Manual transmissions aren’t very good for off roading either.
Since when do women want a manual? I'm not saying it's a chick suv but lots of women drive them.
I like it, but I was hoping after the Land Cruiser came out that the 4Runner would go in the Bronco/Wrangler direction like the old 4Runner was. I don't understand why they have the Land Cruiser where it is if it's a 4Runner basically.
Am I the only that sees Isuzu VehiCROSS in the rear? Overall I can appreciate what it is and I think it will do a great job carrying on the name. Personally I am more interested in the potential small off roader (some people are calling it the return of the FJ Cruiser) that is supposed to be about the size of the Corolla Cross. Hopefully it comes to the US market.
Yes! That raked back windshield as well… if only it had body cladding from the door handle down HaHaHa!
Yes! I said the same thing on their other video! It is really off putting for me.
Yes! I knew something didn’t look right
Thought the exact same thing
RIP legendary 4Runner 😢
Anyone that knows anything would stay away from jeeps and Branco sports....
I'd pick that 4runner 7 days a week and 365 days a year.
Bronco Sport doesn't compete with the 4 Runner or Wrangler. Wrangler is a better off-roader, but 4Runner is not that far behind and it's a much better daily driver.
New Jeeps are trash, had one, it’s gone. I’m happy with my 5th gen and my old Jeep xj.
@@appalachianpatriot1796 100% Agree and just did the same. Had a 2021 4XE that was constantly in the shop. Warranty work and recalls galore. Had a recall on the battery and couldn't use the hybrid portion for 5 months. Doggy POS because it is dragging around a 700 lb battery. My suggestion is stay away from Jeep at this point.
Am I correct when I say the landcruiser and 4runner are nearly identical in almost every way? What's the reason to "upgrade" to the landcruiser?
Especially considering the 4runner might have 3rd row seating option when the landcruiser does not
Better looking better interior kdss system. I’d say the 4Runner is the least buy worthy compared to gx550 base and Land Cruiser. Unless you want just a base 4 runner.
If you take out that center cross bar in the grill I think the front end would look so much nicer.
Awesome. Still, I'm glad I bought the 2024 4Runner TRD Pro in February. Last of the 5th gens and it should last me another 20 years without hassle.
I think you got the better truck. And it's going to outlast this latest generation.
The black fender flares makes the wheel well look giant and subsequently the tire look too small. Other than the ridiculous floor in the rear I think its nice. Not selling my 2022 Wildtrak 2 door over it though.
Not going to lie, i am super duper jealous right now. Sitting on a 2021 and now I want to trade it in.
It wasn’t that long ago a fully loaded King Ranch F-150 was $41,000
Yes and now that’s 4k below average price for new cars
It’s because people keep buying overpriced crap.
Half the cost of new cars is the tech. A new king ranch is hands free driving with heated/ventilated and massaging seats just to name a few
Thanks for the morning videos.
Glad you like them!
Roman is always towing he loves brake controllers!
Broman is towing broken Hummers
Can I get the 2.8L diesel engine?
I've always have an affinity for the 4Runner. If I wasn't a Jeep man through and through I would definitely buy the new 4Runner.
Looks good. Non TRD PRO looks better on this new Gen. Don't like the black fender flairs
It’s probably me but I can’t accept that the high output turbo and hybrid engines will be nearly as durable as the V6.
I think they can, but they need proper maintenance. There's plenty of examples of turbo cars going over 300k on the original turbo.
I agree there is no way 4 cyl can be as durable as the 4.L V6 naturally aspirated engine. The 4L has a lot less stress on the engine making it more durable.
Wish they had a simple V6 option available. I’d get it in a heartbeat over the 4 cyl. Plus the turbos do require premium fuel. So even the “fuel saving” doesn’t really make sense. Other than that I think it’s the best looking in the lineup. This look and the GX is my favourite
@@blueplanet1048they will be fine. Everyone has said this about every engine advancement ever. New ones won’t last because of higher compression ratios, yet they do, etc… Toyota seems to have general powertrain reliability down.
I got my TRD OR 4runner in 2018 brand new for $38k. Good luck if I can get that now
I hate how they put the buttons right below where the driver and passenger both rest their hands that will affect the drive train and could break the vehicle if pressed while driving.
I like this way better than I thought I would especially the short wheelbase
I have an FJ Cruiser, but I need the new 4Runner really bad. You guys are awesome.
Will they sell a lot or just a handful? The cost is going to have a high impact on this.
That Morse code cubby looks perfect for an emergency can of dip or nic pouches.
Soccer moms and IG overlander boys are gonna love this!
Wait till they see it will also come with a “widdle wadder" and woof wack📈💅
but but but, they need it! They've got to spend 70k cause they have to sometimes go on a gravel road to visit Grandma.
They love them stickers and shiny never scratched TRD skid plates.
Because no one has ever bought a jeep and only collects ducks and sits in parking lots😂😂
If they can afford it, why not.
@@mad-meh2719 because it drives up the cost of vehicles for the rest of us
It has been a day and the new look is growing on me. I like it now.
All the nurses will be in line to get this 4 runner too
😂😂😂
Don’t forget, being a female nurse with 2+ deadbeat baby daddies is a requirement for financing on a 4Runner 😂😂😂
Honestly, as a 5th gen owner and a fan of the new land cruiser I didn't expect the 6th gen 4runner to have any real appeal to me. I gotta admit, if I was looking to upgrade I eould have to seriously consoder the 6th gen vs the land cruiser. Not sure thats a good thing for toyota that the two are so similar in size but the 4runner looks fantastic, the gas mileage is going to be sooo much better thsn the 5th gen, and the trail hunter package with the big inverter makes it a ready mad eoverlander from thr factory!
Waiting for my 1st gen Taco to die before buying something new.... currently at 316k miles. Wondering if these newer 4runners can go that distance?
I’ll take any of them. This entire line up looks great
It kinda looks like a Nissan Xterra as for the engine options. I like it to you can have two options, poison oak, or poison ivy neither of them are very enjoyable, but don’t worry they won’t last a long time
Big issues I can see from an engineering and serviceability standpoint:
1. The hybrid powertrain battery not only takes away from rear cargo room substantially without a taller roof line than the last gen, but it drops the spare and the exhaust way down close to the ground. Not to mention, how does one comfortably put hundreds of lbs of gear and drawers on top of batteries - how can you even service it without fully ripping apart your rig?
2. The turbo adds complexity, this is much more of an issue than the hybrid part of the powertrain
3. Looks like at the first glance the fender flares are just cosmetic and the limitations that exist in wheel well arches are still there maybe even worse - for larger tires etc. These shocks are great eye candy but have zero adjustability, no idea if they’re rebuildable, and the springs they come with are clearly not setup for the weight of any light over lander even. Lift height is even lower than TRD pro
4. Brakes look tiny, no upgrade there from what I can see
5. There is less room in the back in every way - especially with sunroof
6. The way the back seats fold is like an LC200, it takes up a ton of space and isn’t nearly as flat as current gen. With a drawer system in back as an over lander, you are neutered in how you can use that 2nd floor as a loading space with the way they fold down
7. I’m sure that onboard air compressor is weak, and I’m even more sure the onboard hybrid 2400W power isn’t pure sine. The current inverters have such dirty power that you can’t even charge a battery backup with them - 400w or 2400w idk about actual power delivery on this thing. Let alone serviceability of it
8. EKDSS not being available is a huge suck
9. Full time AWD Torsen with center locker not being available except on street limited and platinum trims is a huge suck
10. For 8-9 you have to get a land cruiser for both, and neither the cruiser or the limited are setup for serious off road and overlanding. So you can’t have both factory lockers and disconnects and the full time awd and ekdss. I suspect that will be possible in an 85k trail hunter land cruiser trim. Sounds more like a Land Rover to me…
Smaller issues:
1. Rear quarter glass wrapping up like that is an accident waiting to happen
2. Power rear door is a nice idea if you don’t mount anything to it and add weight
3. No silly Tacoma suspension seats since it is Japanese made instead of USA
4. 18” factory wheels are too big with too little sidewall and “H!!!” lol passenger car rated “all terrain” tires for the TRD pro - so we still have to change wheels out for 17s and redo the whole thing, so minimum 3k dropped right there
5. The engine sounds like a Camry - rattly and pissed
6. The window is raked so far back with such a high hoodlike that visibility is much more narrow vertically
7. No appreciable size improvement - in fact rear wheel arches intrude as much if not more inwards than before
8. No revision to panhard or multi link system in rear really, in fact bolt diameters look smaller, steel looks thinner, everything looks kinda the same but a little less beefy. I’m sure the metallurgy is better with stronger or more efficient steel and welds though
9. Towing more but with no transmission cooler still
10. No driver side grab handle…guys..
11. Making a Tacoma refresh and form fitting 4Runner into it is a bit sad
Benefits:
1. More efficient frame and body structure
2. Factory lighting, wiring, and at least basic sliders (not sure of durability construction or mounting), skids and suspension
3. Aforementioned oem stuff means holes pre drilled from factory and a larger oem catalogue to order from. The holes will make aftermarket easier - part of the work has been done already
4. Obviously the interior space is more creature comforted and tech upgraded in all ways
5. Power tailgate - I know I said could be a negative but largely a huge positive
6. An adaptive suspension option is cool on street trims, if like the Lexus using electronic adjustment instead of air - it actually is bulletproof
7. Looks and all, but tbh it is very similar to current gen
8. Much more power and torque - as long as your turbo works and battery isn’t dead / electrical system fried
9. Hard to find a whole lot of pros for me over 5th gen, I know it’s ground up new but it feels incremental…
You bring up very good points but #5 in smaller issues had me dying 💀
@@pa5587 hahahaha 😂
I was originally dead set on getting another 5th gen before they aren’t available anymore however I’ll definitely be getting a 6th gen. I’d prefer a 6 cylinder engine but their turbo 4 isn’t bad. Great review.
Not reliable
@@oliverb5798 doesn’t matter…. the resale value will be so high that if it sucks you can just trade out and not lose your ass
It looks like they did a pretty good job with it. Ive got a 5th Gen and i do like what theyve done, for now. We'll have to wait and see if these 4cyl turbo engines are robust enough to be as bullet proof as the engines they are replacing (V6 and V8). If i were in the buying mood (and might be in the next 2 years), i think i'd just stretch it a bit and step up to a Land Cruiser...Ive lived the T4R life for the past 10yrs...my next vehicle would either be a new LC and throw some 33s on it or a T4R TRD Pro as my plan B.
Looks great! Worried about the turbo charged 4 and 6cyls vs v8s and v6s though.
At least, in video the hood looks disproportionately long to the rest of the body, and the windshield is too sloped compared to the Gen 5. I think they nailed the boxy style on the Land Cruiser more than the 4Runner.
Thank you Toyota for keeping all the physical buttons! Love the interior.
They made the 4runner look bigger on the outside but tiny on the inside. The rear trunk space is a total let down. Just how they ruined the sequoia. At least the roll down rear window is still there
I wanna see the SR5, Sport, and OR. The ones everyone will get
They're gonna be as base and watered down as the taco. And priced out of this world. SR5 will probably be 50k after dealers order them how they see fit.
And seeing as how you can't order from Toyota, the dealers will add expensive packages to the SR5, Sport and TRD OR to put them mid 50s to 60.
No mudflaps, roof rack or trd exhaust on Pro?
These are pre-production.
Need 4 Runner vs Sequoia detailed comparison.
Of course
The side profile is giving me 4th Gen vibes
love it. "The front seat is all the way back" as the rear seat legroom looks short. Moves front seat fwd 1 inch and then sits in driver's seat and doesn't fit LOL
It totally needs the pano. I think that would make for more headroom in the second row.
Pano roofs are really cool, but they do take up some headroom, also not as safe in an accident
Presently with the sunroof as is, there is no headroom in the second row. Pano would fix that.
Also pano is safer than a removable top 🤷🏻♀️
@@makerdistrict I'm sure the specs will tell headroom with and without pano. In the new tundra there is a noticable difference in headroom. In the pano model in backseat my head only fits into a little cutout, kind of uncomfortable... In the non-pano I'm nowhere near the headliner, there is no 2" bump
Yeah that’s a known issue with Sequoia and Tundra. Saw TRD Jon (I believe it was him, I’ve watched so many videos now 😅) sit in the back seat of the 6th gen and his head was almost hitting the back of the sunroof. If it had the pano and that frame was extended closer to the trunk, that wouldn’t be an issue in the backseat.
@@makerdistrict you could be right, and I don't know how it is with other vehicles, only the third Gen Tundra, but the space that the pano takes up lowers the headroom significantly. I'm 6'3" so it probably effected me more, and that is only in the back seat.
They great! I like them all.
What most have not mentioned is that the new 4Runner is no longer a mid-size truck it has the same wheelbase width and length as the big Land Cruiser 200, 250, 300, GX, LX. Its now a full-size monster truck!
I dig the new design. It's a throwback of sorts to the second gen 4Runner but takes some of the design cues from the new Tacoma.
The Trailhunter and TRD Pro look good, but I'm sure the Limited version will look really slick as well.
What does Toyota have against front tow hooks for it's off road vehicles?
Did they fix the high floor height… for folks with longer upper torsos you always felt cramped or lacked headroom.
Man, this looks like such an awesome offroad vehicle to buy used in 15 years.
I’m thinking the T4R will be a little better in MPG’s since it’s part-time 4x4 rather than the LC250 full-time 4x4
Was thinking the same thing, 6” shorter will help as well but the front bumper exposes more tire vs the LC. That said, I’m buying the LC!
Let me guess it’ll be over 60,000 plus! 😆
I bet the 2024 one will last a lot longer
Fun video! So how do I decide between the Land Cruiser and the 4Runner?
The 4 runner has sold me now with the automatic lift gate. The only possible deal breaker is wheather it has parking sensors. However, you can get aftermarker sensors so may not be a big deal. This will likely be my next vehicle.
I'm sure most if not all models will get the parking sensors. My 22 Tundra SR5 has them, my brother's 20 TRD PRO Tundra doesn't have them, new gens have more safety tech standard
@@stevieray1828 Think so, I have been wondering about that. All honda passports come with them. The new fuel efficient engine, power lift gate, and parking sensors will make it hard to pass up.
Looks pretty cool. May end up with a Land Cruiser. Just seems like they couldn't decide on a consistent style. Lots of bulges,strange body lines and still no metal bumpers or decent rock rails on the TRD pro.
The new runner looks like a cross between a 4th gen and a 5th gen with the best of both taken from both. And its still made in Japan so that means superior quality. I'm gonna always keep my 5th gen but I think I'm gonna add the 6th gen to my list of things to buy in a few years
I’m honestly so glad Toyota is getting rid of the carbon fiber on TRD vehicles. Being that I live in Texas I wanted a TRD but really didn’t NEED it and since I was so turned off by the carbon fiber I went with the SR5 with black TRD package.
Glad to hear the 4Runner is still being built in Japan gonna get the 27 4Runner TRd pro over the 27 TRd pro Tacoma
Good job guys ! thank you
With dealers already planning on markups the land cruiser would be a better choice for the money.
You could just wait or buy the current Gen that has discounts.
Are there any photos of the TRD Off-Road trim?
I seem to be in the minority of not liking the new design. To each his own!
In a big fan of the new Land Cruiser look!
The limited looks good but the trd with those black fender flares looks cheap. I see that the second row leg room isn't as good as the 5th gen. I purchased the 2024 & glad I did. I'm not liking the 2.4 turbo. Goodbye reliability & longevity.
The disk with the morse code on the 4Runner reads "Accessory Ready"
Sorta disappointing. Glad they used Tacoma chasis because the original 4Runner was essentially a pickup truck with a cap and back seats. But, looks too much like it shares common designs with all their other models. Don't like squinty headlights on a truck.
is the rear seat smaller?
Thanks for the video. Can you explain why the premium gets full-time 4wd and what it gives up compared to the TRD PRO.
Is full-time 4wd available for the TRD PRO as an option?
Not an option. One trim in each of 4Rnr and Taco have full time 4wd.
Roman, please, it’s TOY-ota not TAY-ota. Rant over. Thank you for the coverage!!!! You guys are great. Dave in Denver
Actually in Japanese it is
TO-YO-TA
It would make more sense to compare the Trailhunter 4Runner vs the Trailhunter Tacoma. And the TRD Pro variants. The Trailhunter 4R has Old Man Emu shocks, and a desert air intake also.
It looks like the Pontiac Aztec designer is still working in the auto biz. There’s a little too much front and rear overhang for me and it would be nice if they brought back a solid front axle.
I wish they would have added a front locker. The one thing I think they missed.
I like the trailhunter myself but do not like the snorkel, please let there be a delete option
snorkel = ultimate poser accessory.
@TFL you said the Trailhunter is going to be one step below the TRD Pro trim level? Am I understanding that correctly? My top choices so far are the Chevy ZR2 or the Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro, so I’m trying to compare them the most, features, price, etc.
I wouldn't say below. I'd say comparable cost but different focus. TRD Pro = high speed off-road. Trailhunter = Overland type activities and crawl focused off-roading.
@@MrXerxes gotcha, thank you, that helps a lot, overland is definitely what I’m more interested in.
Missed Opportunity IMO .Toyota destroyed the land cruiser brand by making the 250 mechanically identical to the Tacoma and now failed to differentiate the 4runner in the slightest.
I'd be scared to take those pretty new trucks up a real off road challenge, but they look sweet.
No hood struts. Something for the aftermarket manufacturers to work on.
GM/Ford needs to enter this space!
Since it’s basically a Tacoma SUV. How comfortable are the rear seats?