Haha, very impressive seeing you perform like this using only the most basic features of the firmware, I have so many comments I don't even know where to start - next ride I need to come along!! But either way, it's very exciting to see you enjoying your VESC!
I don't know much about pid controllers but, could you run a separate loop for front and back tilt or maybe a dynamic pid for the back end letting you set a few degrees of softer pids when it tilts back? Then you could have a stiff front but, softer back fixing what was mentioned at 5:40.
Dado, please. Meet with Jeff to discuss all of your comments and his feedback and record it! There's a community eager to watch you guys talk about VESC and learn in the process.
Those issues you're having with maintaining speed into uphills (and just general teetery-ness) are MUCH better if you set your Yaw P to a higher value like 0.6. Basically (from my understanding), this tells it to start pumping more power once you start pushing down the nose no matter the angle, a lot more like an actual Onewheel, rather than not doing much until the nose goes below level and digging the nose in. Really helps for maintaining momentum and just makes the board feel way more solid and predictable IMO 👌 Stoked to see yall putting it through the paces out there
@@notsure6070 Some obscure issue where increasing a certain parameter is causing light Saber like noises in the motor and super sketch behavior. We haven't figured out what exactly the issue is, but its super uncommon, only seen it on two boards
@@TheFloatLife Thanks bud...Bod...Bodhi bud...The Buddy Of The People!!! Ok normal words.... appreciate it Bodhi, I really like the "this is how the Onewheel sees it footage. Like when there is an incline and the camera is filming really low to the ground while the dirt from the front rider is flying, so good 🤙 Also, I think you need at least 3 or 4 Norad state-of-the-art drones, otherwise, how are you suppose to film? 🤷♂Jeff is probably already ordering those 😅
I can usually tell when it’s Bodhi, he’s so into it, disciplined, focus, not talking, nailing the shot! Loved this group ride, whew, to go on one of these, wow.
Wow 😍 awesome first trail session on vesc! Nice to see you tweaking the shape a little. It would be interesting to see how you'd perform with one of my ATR shapes. Keep it up!
You know Vesc is going to get substantial momentum when TFL is on “board”. I was thinking of selling my 4209, but I have my reserve since the tfl has been releasing these Vesc videos. I have a feeling they have something in the works. Also it’s entertaining to see Jeff’s feedback.
@@nicoaleman I feel like it could help a lot for quick bumps like on a pump track but, might increase tail drags. Maybe a dynamic pid setting that you can set the angle for.
Love watching Jeff rip. Great job as usual Bodhi for the smooth vid. Time to start investing some R&D money in some kevlar panties. PS my aloe in looking like yours after 7 years. It lives next to my girl friends aloe which has tried to commit suicide by jumping off the shelf a few times but is doing way better than mine.
Hey Jeff, what kind of wrist guards you rolling with these days man? Have been thinking about getting into some proper trail riding and I feel like wrist protection is definitely the smart call off road.
Incline Flume on the GT was rough business last time I tried it... And apparently I was on the "easy section" of that trail. You guys handled that shiz like a boss 🤙
what size of that jacket are you wearing Jeff?, i believe we are about same size and im torn between the medium and large, and are you wearing pads in this video?, hard to see but i guess thats good :))
cool video. i am suprised about the tail drag, my friend has a vesc and his is always in level. that's one of the reason i want it. maybe just some tuning needed
Hey, some dummy question from a none Onewheel user (yet) : Why don't you use some "Flightfins" fender for trail ? I suppose they would be an amazing update to increase control of the board. Awesome video ! Thanks.
@@surfdado much respect. I wish u lived closer I'm on the east coast. I'm excited for the vesc adventure. Indy speed control can build me a 84v battery with an internal or external bms. I'm 230lbs and even the GT just doesn't offer me enough power. Do you think a vesc will be better for me? I'm not a big trick guy, much like you I just love exploring and going miles.. again much respect 🙏
I grow aloe year round (in Costa Rica) It likes humidity , don’t water it too much, and only a few hours of direct sunlight per day. Let me know if you have any questions. I know we have different climates but I know what works for my healthy aloe plants
Sounds like they need to program "tail drag detection" into VESC, something like if it tail drags for 1-2 seconds tilt forward to kick the rider out of it. Sick video!
This might be a dumb question, but i have a gt and ive put lightning rails and made it just how i like but have recently been looking into vesc. Are they working on making a compatible one for the GT? Or trying to figure out the battery bricking situation.
I don't know that I would go for a full running XR if you are 100% sure that you want to vesc it. Unless you want to enjoy it stock for a bit before going that route. Rather the cheaper alternative would be tp just nab a hub and start building away
Man that looks nice. I'm from the UK so this looks like the way to go for me. No chance i'm buying a product that I have to ship back to America jsut to be repaired.
Why the flack on the GT? I was convinced into buying one when I already have an XR and TFL hates on it along with others but there must be valid complaints
A higher, more unstable platform, less clearance, proprietary 6.5" rim, footpads that some love but some hate, a less developed ecosystem of aftermarket products, and non-existant repairability are the big things. Don't get me wrong, many people absolutely love the GT. I'm a smaller dude, and I can't stay on the damn thing, it's just too tippy for me. So I raced on XR all year, but the power just wasn't there when I needed it to be. So VESC opens up greater power potential into the XR platform that I already know and love. Jeff and Jake are in a similar boat, not being a fan of how the GT rides and sticking to XR, so it makes sense that they are interested in VESC.
Gt. 1. Overheats 2. No custom shaping. 3. Bad q.c 4. Shit tires ( except Enduro, but stil, personally not a fan ) 5. Badly programmed 6. Locked to battery. .. there's so much more
@@MrDmadness I’ve heard of the GT overheating. My question is what happens to the board when this happens. Does it notify you and give you time to hop off or does it just cut off?
I wonder if VESC data logging during the ride might show what's happening when you feel it lose it and drop the tail? Maybe it was exceeding the max regen setting or other other limit setting that could be increased. And Wow! Amazing skills riding that trail! 👀
It's not that the tail is dropping, but moreso that when the tail drags (which is sometimes inevitable regardless of tuning), it looks like it basically gets glued to the ground, accelerating too much to be able to pull out of it. I'm honestly not sure what might be causing this, maybe I and Deadzone (I-limiter) values? I know I haven't experienced that on my tune at all ever since the IMU Filter was introduced.
I think I might’ve actually figured out what the issue is there. I think it is actually going into reverse super heavy which breaks the traction of the tire causing a heavy fishtail. Kind of like when you lock up your tires on your car and lose control.
@@TheFloatLife Oh shit, that could very well be it, that moon dust is like nothing I've taken my VESC on haha. Noted; hopefully it's something that just goes away once the tune is a bit more dialed but I'm gonna brainstorm potentially ways to dampen that over-response on the landing 🤔 That extra torque can be a trouble maker lol
@@TheFloatLife ah hah, that makes sense. Almost like the FM Simplestop "bug" where wheelslip during braking triggers it, except in this case it also uses the reverse pitch to accelerate into reverse instead of just braking like Simplestop. The wheelslip is the key to it happening in both cases.
Less than 2%, I think you're underestimating the future of VESC onewheels. I would guess the reason they're making videos on it is because VESC is getting to the point where it rides really good and more attention on it is just going to drive that many more people towards it allowing the community to grow and get even better. Plus it seems like there's a lot of riders sick of FM's business practices.
I can't hold back any longer Jeff, I gotta tell you off for always using a helmet with such a loose chin strap. That ain't never staying on in a heavy spill. Now go and sit in the corner and only come back when you're ready to say sorry! Apart from that another great video boys, yew 🎉
TFL trail sessions are always 🔥.
Haha, very impressive seeing you perform like this using only the most basic features of the firmware, I have so many comments I don't even know where to start - next ride I need to come along!! But either way, it's very exciting to see you enjoying your VESC!
Appreciate all the work you and other are putting into developing the firmware.
I don't know much about pid controllers but, could you run a separate loop for front and back tilt or maybe a dynamic pid for the back end letting you set a few degrees of softer pids when it tilts back? Then you could have a stiff front but, softer back fixing what was mentioned at 5:40.
Dado, please. Meet with Jeff to discuss all of your comments and his feedback and record it! There's a community eager to watch you guys talk about VESC and learn in the process.
This time 1,000!
I was about to say the same but unfortunately it's harder for me to be there for the next session. We love to try some trails like that with you guys
It would be cool to have an “updated” rep your set series to see how your board choices have evolved.
If I worked at a tv store I would play this video on all the merchandise. Gorgeous.
Those issues you're having with maintaining speed into uphills (and just general teetery-ness) are MUCH better if you set your Yaw P to a higher value like 0.6. Basically (from my understanding), this tells it to start pumping more power once you start pushing down the nose no matter the angle, a lot more like an actual Onewheel, rather than not doing much until the nose goes below level and digging the nose in. Really helps for maintaining momentum and just makes the board feel way more solid and predictable IMO 👌 Stoked to see yall putting it through the paces out there
Shoot man, I would LOVE to have a higher Yaw P! That dang light saber issue though :/
@@TheFloatLife I know man, really hope we can get that sorted sooner than later, wish I could just fly out to help yall in person lol
@@TheFloatLife light saber?
Controllers are stuck on a ship somewhere but once I get em they’ll go in the mail.
@@notsure6070 Some obscure issue where increasing a certain parameter is causing light Saber like noises in the motor and super sketch behavior. We haven't figured out what exactly the issue is, but its super uncommon, only seen it on two boards
Just loving this footage 👍not the Jeff falling part, but the way it was filmed, the dust flying, trail rippin'... Epic 🤙
Thank bodhi for the camera work
@@TheFloatLife Thanks bud...Bod...Bodhi bud...The Buddy Of The People!!! Ok normal words.... appreciate it Bodhi, I really like the "this is how the Onewheel sees it footage. Like when there is an incline and the camera is filming really low to the ground while the dirt from the front rider is flying, so good 🤙
Also, I think you need at least 3 or 4 Norad state-of-the-art drones, otherwise, how are you suppose to film? 🤷♂Jeff is probably already ordering those 😅
I can usually tell when it’s Bodhi, he’s so into it, disciplined, focus, not talking, nailing the shot! Loved this group ride, whew, to go on one of these, wow.
Wow 😍 awesome first trail session on vesc! Nice to see you tweaking the shape a little. It would be interesting to see how you'd perform with one of my ATR shapes. Keep it up!
ATR testing coming soon. Daddo getting us hooked up
You know Vesc is going to get substantial momentum when TFL is on “board”. I was thinking of selling my 4209, but I have my reserve since the tfl has been releasing these Vesc videos. I have a feeling they have something in the works. Also it’s entertaining to see Jeff’s feedback.
These trails look like so much fun, great riding as always
5:40 I wonder if someone could do something like separate pids for front and back tilt. A really stiff front and soft back would be nice.
I've been wanting to experiment with this for a while, it's on the to-do list of things to try for sure!
@@nicoaleman I feel like it could help a lot for quick bumps like on a pump track but, might increase tail drags. Maybe a dynamic pid setting that you can set the angle for.
What a way to end the summer with the boys,the trails under 2 ft of cold white stuff now!
Love watching Jeff rip. Great job as usual Bodhi for the smooth vid. Time to start investing some R&D money in some kevlar panties. PS my aloe in looking like yours after 7 years. It lives next to my girl friends aloe which has tried to commit suicide by jumping off the shelf a few times but is doing way better than mine.
Can we have a gimbal following the gimbal whilst following Jeff? It’s madness how you don’t fall off more too.
Bodhi on a board with a camera rig is a thing of beauty.
🫡❤️
What a crazy trail to bring that on first time for sure
Best video outside yet... Butter baby...
Hey Jeff, what kind of wrist guards you rolling with these days man? Have been thinking about getting into some proper trail riding and I feel like wrist protection is definitely the smart call off road.
F(x)nction for sure
thefloatlife.com/collections/safety-gear/products/shredder-wrist-guards-fxnction
@@TheFloatLife thanks I like the design on those and the price is reasonable. Might have to give them a go.
Jeff, you're a madman.
Surfdado x Floatlife trail shredding / tuning sesh video must happen ❤️
i just sent my board in for a controller repair now I feel like I should have got a vesc
I’m in the same boat
GT? Mine just got fixed a couple weeks ago also
@@deemontes7265 XR
@@Slirp07 oh dang. How much are they charging for that ?
@@deemontes7265 I think 275$ ish
Jeff is one of the most lovable human beings on the planet 🤘🤘🤘
😘
Looks like it's time to go VESC! Got my varials and enduro right after my board died - RIP
Incline Flume on the GT was rough business last time I tried it... And apparently I was on the "easy section" of that trail. You guys handled that shiz like a boss 🤙
Jeff is an insane rider! 🙂That was awesome!
Nice rip, earning your vesc stripes!! 😆 Load the Madd Max 84V Trail Beast tune card settings and try it again yee 🤟🏻
Let’s go!
what size of that jacket are you wearing Jeff?, i believe we are about same size and im torn between the medium and large, and are you wearing pads in this video?, hard to see but i guess thats good :))
I’m 6’ 165lbs and wear the medium without pads. I go large of I want a hoodie underneath
Is this a 84v or stock pack?
Stock pack on this one. Getting an 84v pack soon. Our original build was an 84v pack, but that was on old firmware and was pretty sketch.
@@TheFloatLife looking forward to seeing some of that!!!
I’m jealous of y’all’s lifestyle and I want to be your adult adopted son
That floatlifestyle!!!!
@@FriendlyMint More like the “my work IS my play, floatsyle”
🤣🤣❤️
This is awesome, how do I turn my xr in to a vesc??
Almost getting euc type speed out of that thing.
cool video. i am suprised about the tail drag, my friend has a vesc and his is always in level. that's one of the reason i want it. maybe just some tuning needed
Taildrag IS BECAUSE it's always level. You and tip the nose down like ow. It eetroys ow I every other way though
@@MrDmadness sorry i don't understand any of this
@@agyas23 when the slope angle changes, a level board will nose dig or tail drag, you don't want ridged level platform, you want a bit of dead zone
@@MrDmadness i mean by level that it's always flat. always looks like it not digging or dragging the tail. just rock solid straight every jump
@@agyas23 yeah and that is its issue, it only becomes a problem for decent or in quick slope transitions
How do I learn about vesc… looking for a source to deep dive on…. Thank you
Hey, some dummy question from a none Onewheel user (yet) : Why don't you use some "Flightfins" fender for trail ? I suppose they would be an amazing update to increase control of the board. Awesome video ! Thanks.
Different strokes for different folks! Fins are great for some things, But we usually prefer to ride without them
You guys need to sale full VESC boards like Floatwheel!
Where in Tahoe is this? this is awesome.
What battery are you using in this board
Stock
@@TheFloatLife would a cbxr battery perform much better?
@@DSC1320 it wouldn't really perform better, just longer
@@surfdado much respect. I wish u lived closer I'm on the east coast. I'm excited for the vesc adventure. Indy speed control can build me a 84v battery with an internal or external bms. I'm 230lbs and even the GT just doesn't offer me enough power. Do you think a vesc will be better for me? I'm not a big trick guy, much like you I just love exploring and going miles.. again much respect 🙏
I grow aloe year round (in Costa Rica)
It likes humidity , don’t water it too much, and only a few hours of direct sunlight per day.
Let me know if you have any questions. I know we have different climates but I know what works for my healthy aloe plants
ScabSquad fer surrrrre!!
Scabsquuuuaaaaddddd
Sounds like they need to program "tail drag detection" into VESC, something like if it tail drags for 1-2 seconds tilt forward to kick the rider out of it. Sick video!
@surfdado
@@MikeDIY He pretty much already got it on lock with ATR 23 I believe
@@brodyport6395 Is ATR 23 a vesc firmware build #?
This might be a dumb question, but i have a gt and ive put lightning rails and made it just how i like but have recently been looking into vesc. Are they working on making a compatible one for the GT? Or trying to figure out the battery bricking situation.
Vesc is not at all onewheel affiliated. If your gt bricks, toss vesc controller in there and you're now running a vesc
you can put a VESC into a GT today, a couple GTV's out there already - but it's a lot more on the DIY side still, it's not plug and play by any means
Jeff are you sick or just so stoked you’re short of breath ? 🤙🏼🤙🏼 #vesc
So if you were saving money for a new board (upgrading from original pint) would you lean toward buying a used XR to turn into a VESC, or go for a GT?
I don't know that I would go for a full running XR if you are 100% sure that you want to vesc it. Unless you want to enjoy it stock for a bit before going that route. Rather the cheaper alternative would be tp just nab a hub and start building away
I'd just get a fesc and toss it in the pint..
Jeff u a rider 🔥💯🤘🤞 water the aloe from the bottom 🫵
microbiotics can help as well. u have to support the ecosystem around the roots.
If you have trail marks on your nose you know it was a good session 😄🤙🔥
Jeff - pardon if you've answered this a billion times, but what shades are those?
Ombraz
Man that looks nice. I'm from the UK so this looks like the way to go for me. No chance i'm buying a product that I have to ship back to America jsut to be repaired.
Why the flack on the GT? I was convinced into buying one when I already have an XR and TFL hates on it along with others but there must be valid complaints
A higher, more unstable platform, less clearance, proprietary 6.5" rim, footpads that some love but some hate, a less developed ecosystem of aftermarket products, and non-existant repairability are the big things.
Don't get me wrong, many people absolutely love the GT. I'm a smaller dude, and I can't stay on the damn thing, it's just too tippy for me. So I raced on XR all year, but the power just wasn't there when I needed it to be. So VESC opens up greater power potential into the XR platform that I already know and love. Jeff and Jake are in a similar boat, not being a fan of how the GT rides and sticking to XR, so it makes sense that they are interested in VESC.
Nico nailed it
Gt.
1. Overheats
2. No custom shaping.
3. Bad q.c
4. Shit tires ( except Enduro, but stil, personally not a fan )
5. Badly programmed
6. Locked to battery.
.. there's so much more
@@nicoaleman thank you for the response 👊🏼
@@MrDmadness I’ve heard of the GT overheating. My question is what happens to the board when this happens. Does it notify you and give you time to hop off or does it just cut off?
i like the VESC a lot but i think VESC are better built for tricks and street riding. More Gt and Pint x content please. you are the best
No ATR firmware on that one?
those guys were roughin' it on pretty much stock firmware 😂
Yikes, that sounds rough.😢
Let’s start a GoFund me to afford them a dedicated firmware and tune consultant as well as a beefier battery!
@@tdubmaui Don't tempt me to drop out of college and fly out to Cali, I'll do it 🤣
@@nicoaleman It might be worth it. jk
Nico, we’ll see you first thing Monday for your new internship.
Great vid as usual!
What camera are you guys using in this vid?
Cheers from Uruguay!
Black magic rig was down from a battery issue so we rocked the R5 on a gimbal.
I wonder if VESC data logging during the ride might show what's happening when you feel it lose it and drop the tail? Maybe it was exceeding the max regen setting or other other limit setting that could be increased.
And Wow! Amazing skills riding that trail! 👀
It's not that the tail is dropping, but moreso that when the tail drags (which is sometimes inevitable regardless of tuning), it looks like it basically gets glued to the ground, accelerating too much to be able to pull out of it. I'm honestly not sure what might be causing this, maybe I and Deadzone (I-limiter) values? I know I haven't experienced that on my tune at all ever since the IMU Filter was introduced.
I think I might’ve actually figured out what the issue is there. I think it is actually going into reverse super heavy which breaks the traction of the tire causing a heavy fishtail. Kind of like when you lock up your tires on your car and lose control.
@@TheFloatLife Oh shit, that could very well be it, that moon dust is like nothing I've taken my VESC on haha. Noted; hopefully it's something that just goes away once the tune is a bit more dialed but I'm gonna brainstorm potentially ways to dampen that over-response on the landing 🤔 That extra torque can be a trouble maker lol
@@nicoaleman lol, idk - maybe something like ATR? 😛
@@TheFloatLife ah hah, that makes sense. Almost like the FM Simplestop "bug" where wheelslip during braking triggers it, except in this case it also uses the reverse pitch to accelerate into reverse instead of just braking like Simplestop. The wheelslip is the key to it happening in both cases.
Crazy how the vesc has thier own custom shapping and everything and even made a board of their own and still FM hasn't released custom shapping 😮💨
Where can I score those sunglasses??? Great vid btw! 🔥🔥🔥
Ombraz
Mission tune card when? =)
What trail is this…?
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That was dope
Sent 🤙🏼
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So so sicc
I tried but I’m about VESCed out now. Lots of attention on something for at best
Less than 2%, I think you're underestimating the future of VESC onewheels. I would guess the reason they're making videos on it is because VESC is getting to the point where it rides really good and more attention on it is just going to drive that many more people towards it allowing the community to grow and get even better.
Plus it seems like there's a lot of riders sick of FM's business practices.
Pints rip with a VESC too. Not too hard to do.
@@brodyport6395 97.327% of all statistics are made up.
2% ? VESC will eventually surpass FM's software as more people adopt, the price of VESC setups will also drop in cost, I think you may be misguided.
So jealous
I can't hold back any longer Jeff, I gotta tell you off for always using a helmet with such a loose chin strap. That ain't never staying on in a heavy spill. Now go and sit in the corner and only come back when you're ready to say sorry! Apart from that another great video boys, yew 🎉
Don’t tell me how to live my life mom!
@@TheFloatLife less of the back chat son!
Ime vesc absolutely destroys onewheel in every way except going DOWN a trail. It drags tail there often.
So where do they sell vesc I need 3 of then but tonight
Still slow