If they made a convertible version, I would consider it. I heard the wind buffeting is horrible with the windows rolled all the way down....that is a deal breaker for me....being a convertible would solve that...plus would be more enjoyable.
Hi Matt. While at 67 years of age I'm certainly not running out to buy a Supra (I doubt very highly that I could even fit in it),I want you to know that I watched your review from beginning to end. You might ask why would I watch a review of a car that I have no interest in. The answer is very simple, it's your enthusiasm. I truly get a kick out of the tremendous joy you get from driving this car. Your face lights up like a Christmas tree in total darkness and every expression of your body says that there is no place that you would rather be. Your enthusiasm is so contagious that i was having fun just watching you having fun. I must tell you that at 67 having fun is not a very frequent occurrence (just ask my wife who makes sure of it). So that's the reason I watched the entire video, I was piggybacking your fun so that I could be happy too. I hope that you never change your style and keep letting us share in the visceral joy that you obviously receive from these cars. I send my best regards to you and your family and wish you the most joyous of holidays
Owner of an A91 MT here. Coming from Porsches and other high performance cars, this is the overall best sports car I’ve ever owned. It’s an amazing daily, looks insane, is fast as hell and the fact that it’s a BMW is really a plus in my book. The manual is great and my only complaint is the lack of an overdrive. 80mph is close to 3k rpm. This car will be a highly sought after classic, no doubt.
@@tommy516 Exactly. I’m a Porsche owner several times over, have driven the Supra MT and it isn’t even in the Class of a base Cayman for me. The weight distribution, interior, every aspect of a Porsche is better than this vehicle and I liked the Supra MT. It’s just not comparable in my opinion.
Since it’s a bmw transmission there is a clutch delay valve limits the flow of fluid through the clutch line via an orifice that can be removed. Once you remove the “delay valve” or orifice plate in the line it feels like a normal manual transmission. It’s used to prolong clutch life by ensuring the clutch engagement is smooth and reduced the risk of abrupt torque delivery through the drive line
Thanks for the insight! Seems odd to try preserving the clutch at the cost of the whole transmission (with the grinding) but I guess the compromise pays off for the majority that don’t rush their shifts.
@@MattMaranMotoring just delay your shift. Learn to drive with the hardware. Let your revs drop and let your gear level just drop into place rather than a hard pull.
@@LoveLikeaHurricane Eh, it should work smoothly from the factory. It's not the turn of the century, synchros existed for many many years at this point and they should do their job flawlessly. You shouldn't have to rev match up shifts ffs. It's not a 50's car.
Congrats brother. I have a deposit on a 23 A90 6MT in Strat. But my dealer called me and for 2 grand more, a build came in not spoken for….C U Later A91 spec. 😮
IMO the base 3.0 with a stick is totally worth saving a few grand. I've heard the upgraded speakers are meh, I prefer the non leather seats, and I can give up a touch screen and smudges in my sports car. Red brakes look good but you could always upgrade the calipers or pads for a few bucks and for the street I am sure it totally fine.
Looks like this Supra is so much better than the upcoming M2. It is a better driver's car because of more precise manual gearbox, easy-to-read tachometer, and direct-access real physical buttons. Also the Supra is built on a stiffer, dedicated sports car platform, that's why it is almost 200kg (!!) lighter compared to the BMW Porker. And last but not least the Supra has ultra-expensive forged wheels as standard, while the new M2 cheapened out on that as well.
i love seeing these types of videos! as someone who lives in western PA (north hills) its very nice to hear the feedback on these cars in our type of climate
Im wondering if this is one of those historical moments where history repeats itself. Like when the mk4 supra came out and drivers really enjoyed it and then it became one of the most iconic tunable cars ever made.
The exhaust Not having the pops is a Plus to me...if I had a car that popped, I'd be wanting to tune that racket Outta the exhaust note!... to each his own.
The 400z being a more static car, such as no drive modes, no adaptive suspension, etc. makes it less of a headache to deal with than the supra. You just get in and go without worrying about changing any settings. WIth that being said, I'd still pick the supra.
Went from a 2020 to a 2023 and the steering and handling changes are quite big. The car seems much more refined and connected to the road. The steering has more feel and way less numb. The car doesn't step out on you nearly as much. Bet on track the car would perform with more confidence at 10/10ths.
Regarding the lack of crackles and pops with the manual: I had a Focus RS and got really tired of them after a couple of weeks. When I gave rides to friends who had not experienced them, the thrill came back a little. But I started to feel like they were a dumb gimmick. I know others like them a lot so to each his own of course. The exhaust note of that manual sounds really good, too.
@@j.3854The pops and crackles are the sound of huge amounts of fuel being dumped into an engine so much so its igniting in the exhaust, sometimes shooting flames out, extreme performance in any car especially turbo cars. Suoer cars make it, Street Outlaws big American V8's with twin turbos make it, top fuel dragsters make it, so it's not just a "subie boi" ricer sound.
Yeah. It already looks old-ish to me and annoys my eyesight, which is weird, because it's a radical design, but something about it started looking cheap to me the more I saw them. They are $85K in Puerto Rico yet I see them all over. 😮
I wasn't a fan when they first came out but the looks have really grown on me as well as the mechanical improvements. Your enthusiasm may have swayed me a bit.
100% agreed. And many others say the same. Take a car like the “safe” GR86. IMO, very stylish in pics and when seen IRL, looks bleh to me. Almost like the digital version is better than the analog version. But IRL, the A90/A91 Supra is stunning. Like “what 911” kind of stunning. The reaction from others on the road tells the story. More people look at Supras than almost any other car out here. To me, it all comes down to that iconic rear and those hips. ha
I like the Supra (in manual), but felt like I could barely fit. Personally I still prefer the BRZ/GR86 - the Supra made me feel claustrophobic unlike the BRZ
Thanks Matt... it sounds fun. Seems like the manual is the way to go. It's on my shopping list. I can live without the crackles and pops. It seems gimmicky to me.
@@Skizzy461 There is a video by Ryan Winburn that shows him driving his MT with plenty of crackling on downshifts. Someone also posted a video of the stock MT exhaust with an HKS intake, and that car had pops too. Not sure why some people hear them and some don't.
@@Skizzy461 I got the same spec as in the video, still get crackles and loud gunshots too. Just got to know when to let off. I found if you do a quick 1-2 shift and let off at 5-6k rpm it will pop really loud. Crackles you can get just letting off at around 5-7k rpm, the more throttle you put the more crackles you get. Edit: Actually i have 3.0 premium, in the video its just 3.0.
@@whosDori That's awesome news! Thanks for the info. If you don't mind my asking, what's your observed MPG for your manual supra? I know it gets a bit worse than the auto, and though I'm not buying this car for it's fuel economy, I am pretty curious about what my mileage will look like.
@@Skizzy461 If you drive in comfort mode its pretty good, like 22+. but i only drive in sport mode now that I finished the break in miles and im at the gas station twice a week haha
Great review. My personal opinion I hate the extra crackle and pops. Manual sounds better from watching Supra exhaust reviews. Sounds fake and when an aftermarket catback or cat delete mods it just sounds obnoxiously loud. Manual all the way! Though 3mpg difference wow. That is interesting.
Seems cool to me that a manufacturer would even appear to listen to enthusiast feedback. I'm thrilled that I was able to order a Forte GT Manual a few weeks ago when even the Hyundai Elantra N-line does not offer a manual.
I know a guy that had both the IS500 and the Supra MT and he sold his IS500, decided the MT was more fun. I had my IS500 and sold it as well, went back to Porsches. Test it and make sure it’s your cup of tea before you buy it.
@@MattMaranMotoring it was the transmission for me, easily the vehicles key weakness. Beautiful otherwise but the transmission to me personally made the vehicle feel even heavier than it’s almost 4,000 pound curb weight. 3rd to 2nd downshift was almost painful.
I really enjoyed watching this review, I've always wanted to consider the Supra when it came out but not with an auto was a deal breaker, I'm so happy they are finally offering a manual. I'm going to wait a little though tell dealers stop those crazy markups & the economy tanks to get better deal on one.
Few owners on the forum have reported rough shifts from 1st to 2nd in day today at driving even after break in period. Hope it’ll be resolved soon. Can’t wait to have this as my daily.
It is not a "fluid issue", it is a busted synchro which requires the entire transmission to be replaced for eye-watering price (it is BMW-sourced transmission after all). I know, because I had exact same issue in my M235i. And I paid through the nose. You may too, depending if Toyota deems that you "abused" the car, which they can easily do.
@@wheelwrightpl9429 idk, my 2018 wrx also has shitty 1-2 shifts and the dealer said it was fine. Kinda luck of the draw, sometimes it goes in like butter but other times it feels awful.
My manual makes the popcorn noise at around 4k-5k RPM when I let the gas go, in 4th gear with sport mode. I turned the fake noise off, so I can hear the actual exhaust noise, maybe it's more masked off when you have that annoying fake noise in the cabin.
Interesting, maybe it was just something with this car then, but the one on the media drive didn't seem to want to do it much either. Thanks for commenting!
Seems like from F30 BMW onwards, the manual can be finicky. When the gearbox was very cold, I could sometimes grind 2nd gear on my 2012 328i. I have an older E90 now, and it hasn’t happened a single time in owning the car for 2 years. Edit: BMW manuals don’t like being rushed in general. Not sure how the manual is on the F80 and G80 gen, but it was something I noticed on my base F30.
It just takes a while to learn how to drive them with the clutch delay valve. Once you get into a rythym with it, you can quick shift very well. I can shift quite fast now after some practice on my F30 340i 6 speed.
I feel like the crackles and pops were such a fad. Not something I ever looked for or cared about. Felt it was a bit immature. Leave it for the kids in the civics. I’d rather a nice throaty exhaust tone. Sounds like this supra is tuned nice.
For a small, rwd, drivers car…is it worth the added cost over a Miata RF? I know it’s not a direct comparison but at the end of the day would you be getting that much more driving satisfaction from one that’s almost double the price? Thx Matt!
I don't think they are comparable. The Miata is less than half the power, and not as rigid. What you get depends on where you live, how you drive, what type of roads are around you etc.
It’ll come down to what level of power you’re happy with. But the short answer is no, in my opinion, the Supra isn’t 15-20k more fun than a Miata RF. I think Miata and GR86/BRZ are some of the best fun-per-dollar cars on sale today as long as you don’t need tons of power.
@@MattMaranMotoring - You are absolute right 100%. I own a 2008 Miata retractable hardtop and it’s amazing! I drive it every day and never get tired of it…except I wouldn’t take it on a cross country trip! 😂 lol. It’s a very small car, so you do need to try it on for size to see if you fit. I think the best deal is a used one in good condition …after the market normalizes. Right now used car prices are way too high but they’re coming down slowly. Miatas are the most bang for your buck.
I am very much stuck in a giant sports car/sedan conundrum. I have the funds for a G80 but feel more comfortable spending GR86/ND Miata Club/used FK8 money. With hundreds of hours or research, and a very strict set of principles (think Ive owned and grown up with NA2 NSX, E30 M3, E36 M3, E46 M3), I can tell you guys this. The ND Miata (not RF too heavy) in Club Spec with the Recaros/BBS is by far the best value proposition out there. Its a better car than the GR86. With that all said, I am buying a Supra. 😂
Matt, much like a Porsche or Ferrari, these transmissions aren't built to pound gears. These cars are built to handle extremely well, they're true sports cars, not muscle cars. Shift positively, that's all, enjoy that excellent transmission. Good video.
Hey Matt, how fast would you say it feels compared to the civic type r? I have a type r and an s2000 would would like to know your thoughts on that comparison.
I'd say it definitely feels punchier, especially in the low-end and midrange. It probably doesn't feel 100 hp faster to me, but I'd consider it a good step up in acceleration performance for sure.
@@philspaghet get new z it’s cheaper if u want fun , also Supra manual is good but cheapr z probably what u looking for since u don’t want performance..
@@bman1668 I still want my car to have a LSD and track worthy brakes. The Z is a heavier more GT like car, I want something nimble and the Supra is perfect for that. I want the most performance possible while keeping a manual no matter what
I would love to know how this compares to a Nismo 370z (we don’t get 400z in the uk). There are very few cars that offer this kind of manual experience. I could go both ways but is the Supra worth the extra cost over an older 370 Nismo z?
Silly cross shopping question- manual Supra or a 2023 Audi RS 3? I love driving manual sports cars and the looks of the Supra, but I'm also a father of 2 (we do have a family hauler, but I'd like to take the kids for fun drives at some point).
As a father myself I totally understand. RS3 is a blast. If you’d still like a RWD manual though I’d recommend the CT4-V Blackwing instead, closer to Supra in dynamics and involvement, still feels nice and small but roomy enough in the back for kids or adults. M3 is another option that offers the same, just a little bigger but I still haven’t driven the new one unfortunately.
@@Nivaku988 no idea. Last I heard there was a stop sale on the auto due to being a part of the Mercedes 9 speed recall. Never heard anything on the manual, other than second gear grind on Throttle House.
But would you get one over an M240i for $10k less? My experience was the impossibility of getting a Supra at less than 65k (MSRP + Dealer Markup + Mandatory Options). I got my M240i for $52k as a custom order. I felt it was a no brainer! But that manual... Man that's hard to say goodbye to.
@@frumpd63 This is definitely the best choice! If I had the money I'd go all in on an M2. For whatever reason my BMW dealer is super sensible about pricing at or below MSRP -- it's crazy to think Toyota is charging more!
If you want a BMW manual the only thing close is the new M2 which starts at $63k. That’s more practical and probably as good or better to drive for fun and daily.
People being up the M240i a lot. I’ve never driven the new gen so I have no idea what it’s like to compare it unfortunately. Hopefully I can review one eventually.
Hey matt ,I've been waiting for the supra manual for awhile now and one of the main reasons I like the supra is for the crackle and pops ,why cant I have it all? A manual supra that crackles and pops, do you think theres anyway to modify it so it crackles and pops?
There might be a burble tune available at some point to add them back in, and it does do it in very limited scenarios, like in very low speeds in 1st gear, it's just a lot less.
Really good review, but the lack of Android Auto is such a deal breaker. My girlfriend's 2022 Hyundai Elantra SEL has it and I wish my Focus ST had it now too. Seems to me to be a very odd choice indeed.
After a year and a half I’m surprised how much I still love my Supra including it’s quirks and controversies, it just fits all my needs as a sports car. I was thinking about trading it for a manual but disappointed that the crackles are mostly absent on the '23'. They never get old and if they do I switch to normal mode. And not a fan of the new wheels. But damn! That Blue and also the Grey are a must have color. Nothing better than the smoothness and torque of a straight 6 as opposed to the harshness of a V6 at its limits! 👍
wow I wish I could make it work to get one of these... currently have 3 vehicles: MDX, Maxima, and ND Miata. Maxima will be in need of replacement soon and I would love to consolidate 3 vehicles down to 2 but alas we have 2 kids and a dog. So probably something like the CTR would be a better option. I suspect the supra is far superior and a better drivers car but just not practical for our use case or from a cost perspective.
I have a 2020 3.0 premium and I have an opportunity to trade up to a 2023 3.0 Premium MT at MSRP. I'm on the fence. I love manuals and BMW makes a great transmission, but gear grinds? In 2022? Fuck. I already got a car that does that shit (the MT-82 in my mustang). That's a real let down for me. It's not a huge deal to delay shifts, but you shouldn't have to, it gets exhausting, especially if you're driving in traffic with the trans ice cold and you gotta delay a bit accelerating slower than most. Is there any point in getting the premium anymore? For 3k you get the HUD and 12 speaker and leather seats and that's it? If not, that's kinda weak.. And no Android Auto in 2023? C'mon.... As for the burbles, I don't use sport mode unless I'm in the canyons, so I don't hear burbles on the regular anyway. It's a nice touch, but I rarely use it. I mostly daily drive mine, so not in the canyons. Damn, I'm really on the fence now 😕
Between the Z & Supra … the Supra (manual) would get my money and I have not been a fan of the MKV at all … having been fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to drive both cars, the Supra won me over.
The fact that the Supra outperforms the new Z shows how Toyota was kind of right in partnering to make a sports car rather than making their own. I'm not saying I prefer a BMW Supra, but the chassis and engine have proved themselves.
I’d go for the Z if you aren’t going to autocross or track the vehicle at $40k. I bet more trims will debut that give you the LSD at the mid $45k price point.
Supra is a great car but mustang mach1 manual with the handling pack is the king! s550 chassis + coyote + tremec 6 speed is unbeatable recipe!! Great review as always!
People hating that this is mainly a bmw, but if toyota made It by them selfs It would be a hybrid with boring interior… great rewiev Matt! And that colour is just magnificent
Why do so many reviews of the Supra never mention what happens when you drive with the windows down. That's a big deal. Drive the Z with the windows down and the Supra and let's get some perspective.
I don't mention it because it's fixed with an inexpensive little part. It's dumb Toyota hasn't fixed it themselves, but it's far from a dealbreaker to me, especially with the easy fix.
The "Supra" is mostly a BMW with a Supra badge slapped on, so it's closer to BMW reliability, that means it's near the bottom when it comes to reliability. BMW Reliability Rating is 2.5 out of 5.0, which ranks it 30th out of 32 for all car brands
I’d say most components will be closer to BMW reliability but the motor is strong so I wouldn’t worry about that. Electronics could be iffy down the road though like other German cars.
@@MattMaranMotoring I kind of figured. Mostly was making sure, because somewhere I heard that Toyota reverse engineered it to meet their quality. Maybe they did and now reliability is a little better.😁
@@meeralrafee1875indeed they did whole car was ground up shared platform with Z4 but new platform, engine been revise thanks to Toyota now b58 in bmws are most reliable cars you can buy for performance. Toyota would of not release a car that would not be reliable to their standards. Go get one it’s awesome 😎
Is it just me or does that gauge cluster look rather antiquated? There is certainly something odd about the design. I honestly expected more from Toyota. Two and a half things put me off the Supra. 1. The gauge cluster. 2. The exterior styling. (I think it looks like a vacuum cleaner.) 2.5. I'm really not interested in Japanese cars. I can, however, respect the mechanical prowess it provides. IMHO, the car world was divided into two categories (back in the day). On one hand you had your 'Gone in 60 Seconds' crowd (my people) versus the F&F crowd _(those_ people). I am firmly in the former part of that equation. Great real world review nevertheless Matt. Always a pleasure to hear your thoughts and opinions on all these vehicles. I still appreciate this new Supra, especially in a world that shuns driving enthusiasm and manual transmissions. Well played BMyota or is it ToyMW..? Stay classy my friends. EDITED for grammatical structure.
@@davidsong286 You're right. I looked it up and it appears the only other way you could get that combo is in the 2016-2019 340i if you can find one optioned with the manual.
Supra is a better value, you will spend an extra 20k more to get the same features in a c8 vs a supra, plus the supra is more fun to drive with a manual, c8 is show car or look at me car.
335 and 382 hp (EU and some non-EU models respectively) say otherwise, and the manual is featured only on the 3.0. Besides, that car has raced in the Nurburgring and won championships in other series (DTM Trophy, Formula D). Enough with the BS.
@@pmayo7894 nurburgring lap time? A version of my 911TT set the lap record up until the Merc broke it last week. Yes, any car from Japan is a ladyboy car made for kids who live in their mother's basement.
@@seamusmcfitz913 - so you're saying, you're a ladyboy? You just mock the non-Japanese drivers who owned and raced the thing, including other Japanese cars.
I don't want a BMW car, I want Toyota or Lexus reliability. I don't believe these BMW engines or electronics will last long. Toyota made a mistake. German made isn't what it use to be and Germans aren't good with electronics imo. The flat 6 in those GR86 are dumb also, toyota doesn't seem to care about R&D anymore or perfecting their own engines. I've been researching cars for a very long time and can't decide on good sports car. MX-5 seems to be the go to, but it just seems like such a over priced car for HP, but nothing else comes close. Mustangs are so lame; so, please don't suggest Ford's trash buckets. Anything 4 door isn't a sports car, don't even consider it. Corvette seems like a great car, but they all seem to have underlying issues. Porsche is all way over priced and seem like their bound to explode, because their made by Germans. I'd go out and buy a new sports car if I knew they weren't gonna be designed to fail.
Here in Switzerland, the Supra is covered by a 10-year factory warranty. So I think this model must be reliable, otherwise it will cost Toyota dearly...
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If they made a convertible version, I would consider it. I heard the wind buffeting is horrible with the windows rolled all the way down....that is a deal breaker for me....being a convertible would solve that...plus would be more enjoyable.
Hi Matt. While at 67 years of age I'm certainly not running out to buy a Supra (I doubt very highly that I could even fit in it),I want you to know that I watched your review from beginning to end. You might ask why would I watch a review of a car that I have no interest in. The answer is very simple, it's your enthusiasm. I truly get a kick out of the tremendous joy you get from driving this car. Your face lights up like a Christmas tree in total darkness and every expression of your body says that there
is no place that you would rather be. Your enthusiasm is so contagious that i was having fun just watching you having fun. I must tell you that at 67 having fun is not a very frequent occurrence (just ask my wife who makes sure of it). So that's the reason I watched the entire video, I was piggybacking your fun so that I could be happy too. I hope that you never change your style and keep letting us share in the visceral joy that you obviously receive from these cars. I send my best regards to you and your family and wish you the most joyous of holidays
Thank you for the comment, I’m grateful I get to spread the joy of cars to you and others and I really appreciate your support of the channel!
Owner of an A91 MT here. Coming from Porsches and other high performance cars, this is the overall best sports car I’ve ever owned. It’s an amazing daily, looks insane, is fast as hell and the fact that it’s a BMW is really a plus in my book. The manual is great and my only complaint is the lack of an overdrive. 80mph is close to 3k rpm. This car will be a highly sought after classic, no doubt.
Congrats on getting one and thanks for sharing your ownership thoughts!
Wow!!
What was the last Porsche you owned?
@@tommy516 Exactly. I’m a Porsche owner several times over, have driven the Supra MT and it isn’t even in the Class of a base Cayman for me. The weight distribution, interior, every aspect of a Porsche is better than this vehicle and I liked the Supra MT. It’s just not comparable in my opinion.
@@LateNightDateNight cool, that’s what I was curious about!
Since it’s a bmw transmission there is a clutch delay valve limits the flow of fluid through the clutch line via an orifice that can be removed. Once you remove the “delay valve” or orifice plate in the line it feels like a normal manual transmission. It’s used to prolong clutch life by ensuring the clutch engagement is smooth and reduced the risk of abrupt torque delivery through the drive line
Thanks for the insight! Seems odd to try preserving the clutch at the cost of the whole transmission (with the grinding) but I guess the compromise pays off for the majority that don’t rush their shifts.
@@MattMaranMotoring just delay your shift. Learn to drive with the hardware. Let your revs drop and let your gear level just drop into place rather than a hard pull.
@@LoveLikeaHurricane Eh, it should work smoothly from the factory. It's not the turn of the century, synchros existed for many many years at this point and they should do their job flawlessly. You shouldn't have to rev match up shifts ffs. It's not a 50's car.
Recently bought a Supra premium . It’s the best car I’ve ever had . Super fast , looks so aggressive/sporty
Congrats on getting one!
Congrats brother. I have a deposit on a 23 A90 6MT in Strat. But my dealer called me and for 2 grand more, a build came in not spoken for….C U Later A91 spec. 😮
The squeaks and giggles…also a good reflection of Matt’s experience. :)
IMO the base 3.0 with a stick is totally worth saving a few grand. I've heard the upgraded speakers are meh, I prefer the non leather seats, and I can give up a touch screen and smudges in my sports car. Red brakes look good but you could always upgrade the calipers or pads for a few bucks and for the street I am sure it totally fine.
I love the real joy you get when you drive cars!
Looks like this Supra is so much better than the upcoming M2. It is a better driver's car because of more precise manual gearbox, easy-to-read tachometer, and direct-access real physical buttons. Also the Supra is built on a stiffer, dedicated sports car platform, that's why it is almost 200kg (!!) lighter compared to the BMW Porker. And last but not least the Supra has ultra-expensive forged wheels as standard, while the new M2 cheapened out on that as well.
i love seeing these types of videos! as someone who lives in western PA (north hills) its very nice to hear the feedback on these cars in our type of climate
Thanks for watching Michael!
Im wondering if this is one of those historical moments where history repeats itself. Like when the mk4 supra came out and drivers really enjoyed it and then it became one of the most iconic tunable cars ever made.
Subaru WRX fan here, I miss your old BRZ updates and the Mini updates. I am an OG been watching for years
Thanks for the longtime support, I really appreciate it!
Am I the only one that’s tired of burble tunes? They were neat at first but now it’s over done imo. I just love a good exhaust note and engine noise.
The exhaust Not having the pops is a Plus to me...if I had a car that popped, I'd be wanting to tune that racket Outta the exhaust note!... to each his own.
It’s a BMW Z4 basically so no surprise it is a better car than the Nissan
The 400z being a more static car, such as no drive modes, no adaptive suspension, etc. makes it less of a headache to deal with than the supra. You just get in and go without worrying about changing any settings. WIth that being said, I'd still pick the supra.
Went from a 2020 to a 2023 and the steering and handling changes are quite big. The car seems much more refined and connected to the road. The steering has more feel and way less numb. The car doesn't step out on you nearly as much. Bet on track the car would perform with more confidence at 10/10ths.
Thanks for your insights!
Regarding the lack of crackles and pops with the manual: I had a Focus RS and got really tired of them after a couple of weeks. When I gave rides to friends who had not experienced them, the thrill came back a little. But I started to feel like they were a dumb gimmick. I know others like them a lot so to each his own of course. The exhaust note of that manual sounds really good, too.
Would be nice if it had an adjustable exhaust like the Veloster N. Loud when you want, quiet when not.
I dont get the crackles love. Good sound is good sound from a vehicle exhaust. I dont consider crackles good. I consider them Vaping Subie Boi style.
@@j.3854 If the crackles and pops are coming from a Lamborghini or F1 car do you still consider them "vaping subie Boi style"?
@@CTF33 Yes. I dont like Lamborghinis.
@@j.3854The pops and crackles are the sound of huge amounts of fuel being dumped into an engine so much so its igniting in the exhaust, sometimes shooting flames out, extreme performance in any car especially turbo cars. Suoer cars make it, Street Outlaws big American V8's with twin turbos make it, top fuel dragsters make it, so it's not just a "subie boi" ricer sound.
The Supra’s a really cool car. The only issue I personally have with the new Supra is that I don’t believe that it’s going to age well look wise
It's definitely going to be a "car of it's time" type design, like the current Lexus vehicles and BMWs with those huge grills.
Yeah. It already looks old-ish to me
and annoys my eyesight, which is weird, because it's a radical design, but something about it started looking cheap to me the more I saw them. They are $85K in Puerto Rico yet I see them all over. 😮
I wasn't a fan when they first came out but the looks have really grown on me as well as the mechanical improvements. Your enthusiasm may have swayed me a bit.
100% agreed. And many others say the same. Take a car like the “safe” GR86. IMO, very stylish in pics and when seen IRL, looks bleh to me. Almost like the digital version is better than the analog version. But IRL, the A90/A91 Supra is stunning. Like “what 911” kind of stunning. The reaction from others on the road tells the story. More people look at Supras than almost any other car out here. To me, it all comes down to that iconic rear and those hips. ha
My friend rented one of these on Turo and honestly it was like a GR86 grown up in all the best ways. Incredible car.
I like the Supra (in manual), but felt like I could barely fit. Personally I still prefer the BRZ/GR86 - the Supra made me feel claustrophobic unlike the BRZ
Thanks Matt... it sounds fun. Seems like the manual is the way to go. It's on my shopping list.
I can live without the crackles and pops. It seems gimmicky to me.
I'm pretty sad about it personally. I'm still getting the MT, but the lack of burbles saddens me greatly. They're very pleasing to hear.
@@Skizzy461 There is a video by Ryan Winburn that shows him driving his MT with plenty of crackling on downshifts. Someone also posted a video of the stock MT exhaust with an HKS intake, and that car had pops too. Not sure why some people hear them and some don't.
@@Skizzy461 I got the same spec as in the video, still get crackles and loud gunshots too. Just got to know when to let off. I found if you do a quick 1-2 shift and let off at 5-6k rpm it will pop really loud. Crackles you can get just letting off at around 5-7k rpm, the more throttle you put the more crackles you get. Edit: Actually i have 3.0 premium, in the video its just 3.0.
@@whosDori That's awesome news! Thanks for the info. If you don't mind my asking, what's your observed MPG for your manual supra? I know it gets a bit worse than the auto, and though I'm not buying this car for it's fuel economy, I am pretty curious about what my mileage will look like.
@@Skizzy461 If you drive in comfort mode its pretty good, like 22+. but i only drive in sport mode now that I finished the break in miles and im at the gas station twice a week haha
Great review. My personal opinion I hate the extra crackle and pops. Manual sounds better from watching Supra exhaust reviews. Sounds fake and when an aftermarket catback or cat delete mods it just sounds obnoxiously loud. Manual all the way! Though 3mpg difference wow. That is interesting.
Seems cool to me that a manufacturer would even appear to listen to enthusiast feedback. I'm thrilled that I was able to order a Forte GT Manual a few weeks ago when even the Hyundai Elantra N-line does not offer a manual.
You sure about that I’ve seen them online with manuals
@@mattryan9444 Go on the website and build one. Only one drivetrain option and no separate trim. Maybe you saw a previous model year/generation?
They offered them very briefly with a manual, I reviewed one, but then they quit making them mid-model year for some reason.
elentra n has a manual
@@jdmteggy2388 right, we're talking about the budget fun cars though. The N would be nice but my $10k down wouldn't go as far. :(
I finally get my girlfriend on board with the IS500, and now you make me want a manual Supra.
I think that's a great combo.. I have an IS500 and now want a manual Supra
My suggestion... Get it
Haha IS500 is a ton of fun too, and a lot easier to live with if you need more practicality!
I know a guy that had both the IS500 and the Supra MT and he sold his IS500, decided the MT was more fun. I had my IS500 and sold it as well, went back to Porsches. Test it and make sure it’s your cup of tea before you buy it.
@@LateNightDateNight I'm curious, why didn't you like your IS500?
@@MattMaranMotoring it was the transmission for me, easily the vehicles key weakness. Beautiful otherwise but the transmission to me personally made the vehicle feel even heavier than it’s almost 4,000 pound curb weight. 3rd to 2nd downshift was almost painful.
I really enjoyed watching this review, I've always wanted to consider the Supra when it came out but not with an auto was a deal breaker, I'm so happy they are finally offering a manual. I'm going to wait a little though tell dealers stop those crazy markups & the economy tanks to get better deal on one.
Good plan!
Few owners on the forum have reported rough shifts from 1st to 2nd in day today at driving even after break in period. Hope it’ll be resolved soon. Can’t wait to have this as my daily.
I own the car. No issues on the 1-2 or any other shifts.
Sounds like a fluid issue
Same with the new Nissan Z.... Wth
It is not a "fluid issue", it is a busted synchro which requires the entire transmission to be replaced for eye-watering price (it is BMW-sourced transmission after all). I know, because I had exact same issue in my M235i. And I paid through the nose. You may too, depending if Toyota deems that you "abused" the car, which they can easily do.
@@wheelwrightpl9429 idk, my 2018 wrx also has shitty 1-2 shifts and the dealer said it was fine. Kinda luck of the draw, sometimes it goes in like butter but other times it feels awful.
My manual makes the popcorn noise at around 4k-5k RPM when I let the gas go, in 4th gear with sport mode. I turned the fake noise off, so I can hear the actual exhaust noise, maybe it's more masked off when you have that annoying fake noise in the cabin.
Interesting, maybe it was just something with this car then, but the one on the media drive didn't seem to want to do it much either. Thanks for commenting!
Seems like from F30 BMW onwards, the manual can be finicky. When the gearbox was very cold, I could sometimes grind 2nd gear on my 2012 328i. I have an older E90 now, and it hasn’t happened a single time in owning the car for 2 years.
Edit: BMW manuals don’t like being rushed in general. Not sure how the manual is on the F80 and G80 gen, but it was something I noticed on my base F30.
Even on my E85 Z4M, the manual didn't like to be rushed and it would grind if I did a quick 1st to 2nd shift.
I don't have an F350....yet .....but my Civic Si is the same way, mostly if i redline first and try to shift quickly to second.
Ya I love my older e92 335 transmission
It just takes a while to learn how to drive them with the clutch delay valve. Once you get into a rythym with it, you can quick shift very well. I can shift quite fast now after some practice on my F30 340i 6 speed.
@@DippinItUp1 That’s a really nice car!! Rare, too!
I feel like the crackles and pops were such a fad. Not something I ever looked for or cared about. Felt it was a bit immature. Leave it for the kids in the civics. I’d rather a nice throaty exhaust tone. Sounds like this supra is tuned nice.
They were cool because they were intrinsic to performance. To the extent they’re not, they’re not.
An adjustable exhaust would be the best of both worlds like the N cars.
The cracks and pops every time you let off the gas were very annoying. Very glad they are gone.
How do you like the manual Supra compared to the Camaro SS 1LE and your Mustang?
Ok only watched 16 seconds and that reaction has me sold. Who the hell wants the Z? Don't remember this reaction from that vid!!! :P
For a small, rwd, drivers car…is it worth the added cost over a Miata RF? I know it’s not a direct comparison but at the end of the day would you be getting that much more driving satisfaction from one that’s almost double the price? Thx Matt!
I don't think they are comparable. The Miata is less than half the power, and not as rigid. What you get depends on where you live, how you drive, what type of roads are around you etc.
The Miata is even smaller!
It’ll come down to what level of power you’re happy with. But the short answer is no, in my opinion, the Supra isn’t 15-20k more fun than a Miata RF. I think Miata and GR86/BRZ are some of the best fun-per-dollar cars on sale today as long as you don’t need tons of power.
@@MattMaranMotoring - You are absolute right 100%. I own a 2008 Miata retractable hardtop and it’s amazing! I drive it every day and never get tired of it…except I wouldn’t take it on a cross country trip! 😂 lol. It’s a very small car, so you do need to try it on for size to see if you fit. I think the best deal is a used one in good condition …after the market normalizes. Right now used car prices are way too high but they’re coming down slowly. Miatas are the most bang for your buck.
I am very much stuck in a giant sports car/sedan conundrum. I have the funds for a G80 but feel more comfortable spending GR86/ND Miata Club/used FK8 money. With hundreds of hours or research, and a very strict set of principles (think Ive owned and grown up with NA2 NSX, E30 M3, E36 M3, E46 M3), I can tell you guys this. The ND Miata (not RF too heavy) in Club Spec with the Recaros/BBS is by far the best value proposition out there. Its a better car than the GR86.
With that all said, I am buying a Supra. 😂
Matt, much like a Porsche or Ferrari, these transmissions aren't built to pound gears. These cars are built to handle extremely well, they're true sports cars, not muscle cars. Shift positively, that's all, enjoy that excellent transmission. Good video.
I like cars that handle pounding gears hard AND handle extremely well... that's why Miata is king.
Interior comfort? Forward visibility?? I found it tight and poor to both.
Hey Matt, how fast would you say it feels compared to the civic type r? I have a type r and an s2000 would would like to know your thoughts on that comparison.
I'd say it definitely feels punchier, especially in the low-end and midrange. It probably doesn't feel 100 hp faster to me, but I'd consider it a good step up in acceleration performance for sure.
Think E46 M3 vs C5 Z06. haha. its that big of a difference.
I love this week reviews
Love both versions of the Supra. Love that blue too. Probably going to pick up an auto in blue next year.
Nah get a manual, no cost option
@@philspaghetwhy buy slower car
@@bman1668 Because fun
@@philspaghet get new z it’s cheaper if u want fun , also Supra manual is good but cheapr z probably what u looking for since u don’t want performance..
@@bman1668 I still want my car to have a LSD and track worthy brakes. The Z is a heavier more GT like car, I want something nimble and the Supra is perfect for that. I want the most performance possible while keeping a manual no matter what
Man debates having pops in the exhaust or a manual shift…
Love your enthusiasm! Thank you for the review!
Thank you for watching!
Nice! Great color aswell!
I can’t buy one to save my life! Man! Everyone wants one!
I would love to know how this compares to a Nismo 370z (we don’t get 400z in the uk). There are very few cars that offer this kind of manual experience. I could go both ways but is the Supra worth the extra cost over an older 370 Nismo z?
Silly cross shopping question- manual Supra or a 2023 Audi RS 3? I love driving manual sports cars and the looks of the Supra, but I'm also a father of 2 (we do have a family hauler, but I'd like to take the kids for fun drives at some point).
As a father myself I totally understand. RS3 is a blast. If you’d still like a RWD manual though I’d recommend the CT4-V Blackwing instead, closer to Supra in dynamics and involvement, still feels nice and small but roomy enough in the back for kids or adults. M3 is another option that offers the same, just a little bigger but I still haven’t driven the new one unfortunately.
Great Going Matt! Now I want one! Damn You. 😅
God I love this car.
The 2023 MT on the Supra you think is better than the new Z? Shifting, gearbox, and clutch specifically?
Reviews I've seen on the Z shifter were not great.
@@FurkanCemTurfanda Yeah same, I'm torn between both these vehicles, I think the Supra in this video is the one I'll purchase over the Nissan Z.
@@Nivaku988 food for thought, aren't the Zs being recalled due to the manual
@@timw2083 Wait, the manual Zs are getting recalled?
@@Nivaku988 no idea. Last I heard there was a stop sale on the auto due to being a part of the Mercedes 9 speed recall. Never heard anything on the manual, other than second gear grind on Throttle House.
But would you get one over an M240i for $10k less?
My experience was the impossibility of getting a Supra at less than 65k (MSRP + Dealer Markup + Mandatory Options). I got my M240i for $52k as a custom order.
I felt it was a no brainer! But that manual... Man that's hard to say goodbye to.
I'm thinking of going G87 M2 for the same reason. Plus a sunroof!
@@frumpd63 This is definitely the best choice! If I had the money I'd go all in on an M2. For whatever reason my BMW dealer is super sensible about pricing at or below MSRP -- it's crazy to think Toyota is charging more!
If you want a BMW manual the only thing close is the new M2 which starts at $63k. That’s more practical and probably as good or better to drive for fun and daily.
People being up the M240i a lot. I’ve never driven the new gen so I have no idea what it’s like to compare it unfortunately. Hopefully I can review one eventually.
@@frumpd63 - me too except if they hit me with a
Markup
I heard that to buy Supra you must have been driving a sportscar before, is that right ?
Nope, anyone can buy one!
Hey matt ,I've been waiting for the supra manual for awhile now and one of the main reasons I like the supra is for the crackle and pops ,why cant I have it all? A manual supra that crackles and pops, do you think theres anyway to modify it so it crackles and pops?
There might be a burble tune available at some point to add them back in, and it does do it in very limited scenarios, like in very low speeds in 1st gear, it's just a lot less.
@@MattMaranMotoring thanks for the reply Matt much appreciate it, liked!!!
@@muffy604 Thanks for the like!
Really good review, but the lack of Android Auto is such a deal breaker. My girlfriend's 2022 Hyundai Elantra SEL has it and I wish my Focus ST had it now too. Seems to me to be a very odd choice indeed.
Yeah it was a weird bmw thing a couple years ago that strangely the Supra is still stuck with. It makes no sense.
After a year and a half I’m surprised how much I still love my Supra including it’s quirks and controversies, it just fits all my needs as a sports car. I was thinking about trading it for a manual but disappointed that the crackles are mostly absent on the '23'. They never get old and if they do I switch to normal mode. And not a fan of the new wheels. But damn! That Blue and also the Grey are a must have color. Nothing better than the smoothness and torque of a straight 6 as opposed to the harshness of a V6 at its limits! 👍
Thanks for sharing your ownership impressions!
Great review!
Thanks Pete!
wow I wish I could make it work to get one of these... currently have 3 vehicles: MDX, Maxima, and ND Miata. Maxima will be in need of replacement soon and I would love to consolidate 3 vehicles down to 2 but alas we have 2 kids and a dog. So probably something like the CTR would be a better option. I suspect the supra is far superior and a better drivers car but just not practical for our use case or from a cost perspective.
Maybe a used M240i ?
Not sure how you feel about your Miata but an ND is one of the best fun-per-dollar cars out there in my opinion.
I have a 2020 3.0 premium and I have an opportunity to trade up to a 2023 3.0 Premium MT at MSRP. I'm on the fence. I love manuals and BMW makes a great transmission, but gear grinds? In 2022? Fuck. I already got a car that does that shit (the MT-82 in my mustang). That's a real let down for me. It's not a huge deal to delay shifts, but you shouldn't have to, it gets exhausting, especially if you're driving in traffic with the trans ice cold and you gotta delay a bit accelerating slower than most.
Is there any point in getting the premium anymore? For 3k you get the HUD and 12 speaker and leather seats and that's it? If not, that's kinda weak.. And no Android Auto in 2023? C'mon....
As for the burbles, I don't use sport mode unless I'm in the canyons, so I don't hear burbles on the regular anyway. It's a nice touch, but I rarely use it. I mostly daily drive mine, so not in the canyons.
Damn, I'm really on the fence now 😕
It’s a neat car but I’d take a Shelby GT350 over this any day of the week still. Can’t beat the sound of that screaming Voodoo engine flat plane crank
Auto all day ❤️
I wish they produced a targa version😢
Me too! That SEMA car was 👌
I wish the interior was bigger
Better than the Bullitt?
For me and what I need/want, no.
Since when is switching from an auto to a manual ever, less engaging?
Man I luv 💞 it to Cape Town South Africa
Between the Z & Supra … the Supra (manual) would get my money and I have not been a fan of the MKV at all … having been fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to drive both cars, the Supra won me over.
The fact that the Supra outperforms the new Z shows how Toyota was kind of right in partnering to make a sports car rather than making their own. I'm not saying I prefer a BMW Supra, but the chassis and engine have proved themselves.
@Matt Maran Motoring, if you had to replace the Bullitt, Supra or the Z ?
He mentioned he would pick the Supra.
He literally said word for word "If the Bullitt didn't exist I would have a Supra"
I’d go for the Z if you aren’t going to autocross or track the vehicle at $40k. I bet more trims will debut that give you the LSD at the mid $45k price point.
Yeah, and for those willing to mod, a 40k Z with an LSD added is probably a pretty good value.
wish the supra was a real Japanese car, and not a German car. it's frustrating that Toyota used all BMW parts on this car.
@@becraftcorey thats why its a good car..
Glad it got a nice bmw manual but it sounds so bad there’s no way I could ever buy one
Supra is a great car but mustang mach1 manual with the handling pack is the king! s550 chassis + coyote + tremec 6 speed is unbeatable recipe!! Great review as always!
Thanks! I’m hoping to finally review a Mach 1 next year, they sound great!
Hell no. Supra over the boat any day
Nah, supras over mustangs easily
@@milesfathi SS 1LE wrecks them both for cheaper too
Alpha platform unmatched
@@GODEYE270115 wouldn't drive the ugly ass camaro if they paid me to.
People hating that this is mainly a bmw, but if toyota made It by them selfs It would be a hybrid with boring interior… great rewiev Matt! And that colour is just magnificent
Thanks! Yeah and I always say if people want a fully-Japanese sports car from Toyota, they already have the GR86, RC F and LC 500 to pick from.
If you can't find it... grind it!
Since this is a BMW with fake vents, do Supra owners know how to use the turn signals?
Feel good about that comment? Real insightful. Real Original. Made the internet a better place today. Nice work.
@@grisa12345 I know right "
Fookin cringe mate!
Why do so many reviews of the Supra never mention what happens when you drive with the windows down. That's a big deal. Drive the Z with the windows down and the Supra and let's get some perspective.
I don't mention it because it's fixed with an inexpensive little part. It's dumb Toyota hasn't fixed it themselves, but it's far from a dealbreaker to me, especially with the easy fix.
@@MattMaranMotoring Didn't know there was a cheap fix, but still a design flaw for sure.
Like the channel, keep up the good work !!
@@nismo370z4 Thanks!
It’s a BMW
Talk sense
The Z will out last the BMW over the years.
Hey Matt. In terms of reliability, Is the Supra more closer to Toyota than BMW? Mostly on the electronics.
The "Supra" is mostly a BMW with a Supra badge slapped on, so it's closer to BMW reliability, that means it's near the bottom when it comes to reliability. BMW Reliability Rating is 2.5 out of 5.0, which ranks it 30th out of 32 for all car brands
@@RoMee651- from the recent articles I’ve read BMW is consider
Red very reliable. In fact it’s rated third overall after Toyota and Lexus.
I’d say most components will be closer to BMW reliability but the motor is strong so I wouldn’t worry about that. Electronics could be iffy down the road though like other German cars.
@@MattMaranMotoring I kind of figured. Mostly was making sure, because somewhere I heard that Toyota reverse engineered it to meet their quality. Maybe they did and now reliability is a little better.😁
@@meeralrafee1875indeed they did whole car was ground up shared platform with Z4 but new platform, engine been revise thanks to Toyota now b58 in bmws are most reliable cars you can buy for performance. Toyota would of not release a car that would not be reliable to their standards. Go get one it’s awesome 😎
Grinding gears? That must be the BMW lineage. 😆
I wouldn’t buy this, I get enough grinding on my 915 trans 😂
Why don't you put a drink in the cup holder. Then let us know if it doesn't bother you then.
Is it just me or does that gauge cluster look rather antiquated?
There is certainly something odd about the design. I honestly expected more from Toyota.
Two and a half things put me off the Supra.
1. The gauge cluster.
2. The exterior styling. (I think it looks like a vacuum cleaner.)
2.5. I'm really not interested in Japanese cars.
I can, however, respect the mechanical prowess it provides.
IMHO, the car world was divided into two categories (back in the day). On one hand you had your 'Gone in 60 Seconds' crowd (my people) versus the F&F crowd _(those_ people). I am firmly in the former part of that equation.
Great real world review nevertheless Matt. Always a pleasure to hear your thoughts and opinions on all these vehicles. I still appreciate this new Supra, especially in a world that shuns driving enthusiasm and manual transmissions. Well played BMyota or is it ToyMW..?
Stay classy my friends.
EDITED for grammatical structure.
Thanks for your thoughts Bert!
Is this the only way to get the B58 engine with a manual?
M2 offered it as well right?
Hi, Matt, thank you for the reply! I thought the M2 offered the N55 and S55 (competition) engines?
@@davidsong286 You're right. I looked it up and it appears the only other way you could get that combo is in the 2016-2019 340i if you can find one optioned with the manual.
Pretty sure m240i came with manual as an option with b58, 2017-2019
@@surfbumb123 I just checked, and the previous-gen M240i indeed could be optioned with a manual. Thank you!
I need a targa top
I wish there was a way to have an opt out option for gigantic obtrusive screens. Every car is ruined now by these hideous toddler tablets.
not sure why anybody would get this over a base C8 that will walk this car in every category.
I'm guessing it'd be a little easier to get. But only a little.
Rarely do people get the base model C8.
I would rather have a Supra than a base C8 without the Z51 package, especially since the Supra has a manual.
Supra is a better value, you will spend an extra 20k more to get the same features in a c8 vs a supra, plus the supra is more fun to drive with a manual, c8 is show car or look at me car.
C8 starts 12k more than this.
The fake crackles n pops are so lame. Glad they took it out
Thanks Matt Moron 👍
How do I get that shit
Thanks Toyota
BMW
200hp never looked so fast!!!!
Ladyboy cars rock!
335 and 382 hp (EU and some non-EU models respectively) say otherwise, and the manual is featured only on the 3.0. Besides, that car has raced in the Nurburgring and won championships in other series (DTM Trophy, Formula D).
Enough with the BS.
@@pmayo7894 ladyboy cars rock!
@@seamusmcfitz913 - is it really "a ladyboy" with the aforementioned races, drivers and achievements?
@@pmayo7894 nurburgring lap time?
A version of my 911TT set the lap record up until the Merc broke it last week.
Yes, any car from Japan is a ladyboy car made for kids who live in their mother's basement.
@@seamusmcfitz913 - so you're saying, you're a ladyboy? You just mock the non-Japanese drivers who owned and raced the thing, including other Japanese cars.
Too little, too late sadly. Lost it’s hype
I don't want a BMW car, I want Toyota or Lexus reliability. I don't believe these BMW engines or electronics will last long. Toyota made a mistake. German made isn't what it use to be and Germans aren't good with electronics imo. The flat 6 in those GR86 are dumb also, toyota doesn't seem to care about R&D anymore or perfecting their own engines. I've been researching cars for a very long time and can't decide on good sports car. MX-5 seems to be the go to, but it just seems like such a over priced car for HP, but nothing else comes close. Mustangs are so lame; so, please don't suggest Ford's trash buckets. Anything 4 door isn't a sports car, don't even consider it. Corvette seems like a great car, but they all seem to have underlying issues. Porsche is all way over priced and seem like their bound to explode, because their made by Germans. I'd go out and buy a new sports car if I knew they weren't gonna be designed to fail.
Here in Switzerland, the Supra is covered by a 10-year factory warranty.
So I think this model must be reliable, otherwise it will cost Toyota dearly...
Man, that fake engine sound inside... why!??
Are they even selling any of these turds?