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- It's finally here, the Manual Transmission Supra we all asked for. But we worried that the feel of the manual might let us down. A drive on a backroad and the track allow us to really see if this has been worth the wait.
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I just need to find a dealer that isn't going to throw a 10 to 20k "market adjustment fee" to this...
Mark Miller Toyota is a msrp dealership
If we all refuse to pay markups, eventually they will stop doing it.
@@CarStory Exactly, let them keep their inventory forever.
Toyota has some of the most egregious dealers that stack on absurd markup (as a %), and there are also ones that are happy to take a few hundred and let you sit on a list with hundreds of others when they know they’re only getting a few dozen allocations for the year. If you have to buy a car now it is what it is, try to find a deal for current market, but if you already have something fun and can wait I wouldn’t even bother for 2-3 years. Maybe just spend some $ on some upgrades or going on a road trip. Buying new cars right now should only be done under actual necessity or if you are high earner/independently wealthy and the $ doesn’t hurt or matter to you, but you know what they say, you don’t get rich by spending money (at sleazy dealers, ADAB).
@@apt62 lol. They don’t and can’t mark up. They’ll def add dealers add on. For example , nitrogen filled tires and a small ppf on the front of the hood. $10k addition. Lmao.
The Supra is perfect in many ways despite what the internet says. It's a knock out in the performance department. If there's only one big improvement this car needs is to address the buffeting when driving with the windows down or offer a removable top like the MKIV Supra.
$8 fix for the wind buffeting
@@touayaaj84 agreed. It was the first thing I did when I bought the car. Yes toyota should have sorted it out but it's a simple, cheap fix
The only thing I want it to have is a manual e-brake but you are right, its perfect and with a manual option theres no need for a gr86 in my opinion
@@ORG8 maybe, if the Supra wasn’t $20k more expensive, that could be said.
@@bigjaydogg3384 mmm true but with everything the supra brings. The cost is acceptable. To get a gr86 to the same speed, comfort of the supra plus paying for style in the gr86, it looks like supra is the superior if you talk about pricing and what your getting and in for gr86 what more you will need to spend to be a true competitor against its big brother
I think I'm done trying to buy from dealerships. They are completely out of control with markups. I called a Nissan dealer to ask the price of a Proto Spec Z that was in their showroom and they replied "we are taking offers" like it was a house or something. So they are taking offers on a car that has a $52,990 MSRP. They can keep it as far as I'm concerned.
Fr Fr, I live in Puerto Rico and taxes for cars are crazy expensive. An GR 86 is valued at $40K-$50K MSRP 🤦🏽♂️
Honestly, Toyota needs to hold their dealers accountable and stop the ADMs. It's going to hurt Toyota and sales. Force them to sell these at MSRP and more ppl will put deposits and buy them. The auto Supra is pretty popular at least in NYC. I see them quite often so ppl do like them.
Why would they? I’d love for these cars to be retail price just as much as the next guy trust me. But if they’re constantly selling out for 8-10k above msrp it would just be bad business put an artificial market cap on the price
@@korrosiv3 Toyota doesn't get any of the markup money, once they've sold to the dealer that's the 'end' of their transaction. So it does hurt Toyota because they put out a product that then won't sell but not because of demand, but because the price becomes artificially higher than the buyers they were trying to get unfortunately. There will absolutely be people who buy over msrp anyhow though. (unless you meant why would the DEALER not sell above msrp, that's a totally different question)
They can't force dealers to sell at ADM, but I agree something needs to be done. They need to track dealers that add ADM to high demand models and stop sending those to them. Punish them by flooding them with Corollas and Camrys instead. Problem with ADM in this market is it doesn't hurt sales because every car competing with the Supra is marked up too, or is a long long wait
It’s capitalism….you can’t blame the dealers for making all they can. And price fixing is illegal in the US
@@stms4411 True, but doesn't mean it doesn't hurt manufacturers. ADM killed the Focus RS, Pontiac GTO, almost did the same for the Civic Type R first gen too. ADM on the EV6 and Ioniq5 is turning buyers into Teslas and Polestars while Kia and Hyundai are trying to gain a foothold in the EV market. Can't blame the dealers for being shortsighted but doesn't mean manufacturers should just sit back and watch it happen, it hurts them too. Dodge withheld Hellcats to dealers adding ADM and as a result you actually see them around a lot, no reason Toyota or any other manufacturer can't do the same
"It just does," is the exact statement that explains why I want an MT Supra. The SS 1LE is amazing and the Nissan Z has no real world reputation, though, neither are flagship cars for their brand. In comparison, the MT Supra with BMW tech and revised by Toyota for better feel and reliability is the most curated package of all it's competitors.
If you believe the surveys consumer reports compiled, this car is actually reasonably reliable too. I know it kills the traditional JDM fanboys to admit it, but it’s actually a very good car
@@joetz1 Exactly. And Toyota knew this. The B58 paired with a ZF8hp is a crazy reliable pair for the output it’s capable of. If/ when something does go wrong, it’ll also be cheaper thanks to shared components bringing the cost down of both the vehicle and it’s replacement parts.
I'm one of those that hated on the Supra and gushed over the Z. Pains me to have to admit that the Supra just smacks the Zs arse all day long performance wise.
Well yeah because if you aren't aware of this the 400 z is basically a parts bin special on much of its components because Nissan is having a lot of financial issues
@@TwoDollarGararge I am and was aware, so it comes as no big surprise.
I put my money where my mouth is in '20 and bought one. I got a crazy deal at the time and absolutely love the car. However, if I could find a dealer that would sell me an MT edition for MSRP I would trade mine in without hesitation. Unfortunately $15-$20k markups will be common, which will ultimately kill this car.
Same, I supported by buying a 21 Supra. I would of bought a manual if it came in it.
Exactly. Manufacturers think people don't buy sports cars because nobody wants one. The truth is nobody wants to leave the dealership leaking blood out their ass.
Also bought one in 2021. That being said Toyota does have MSRP dealerships so i think it wont suffer as much as you think it might
@@Xxyion86 I've heard that, but they seem few and far between.
I appreciate you guys stepping up to the plate and buying a car like this. It’s not really possible for a manufacturer to make a sports car profitably without teaming up with another manufacturer. The people complaining would almost rather not have a sports car at all than have one that was made by two different companies. I’m glad this car exists
As soon as the manual was announced I ran to my local Toyota dealership to make a deposit. Toyota of Westbury Here in NY told me $16k in mark up. I ran back out. I guess another year of waiting.
I locked one in at MSRP with no mandatory add-ons. You just have to find the right dealer.
Find another dealer
@@556Theory how about a name?
@@LLG47who’s the dealer?
I think its a big step in the right direction. A refresh to the body and removing those fake vents will perfect this car.
And you still wouldn't buy one.
I am so glad there are still companies that care about the enthusiasts, Toyota is a hell of a company. And they've got massive balls for putting a manual in this thing in the age of cars driving themselves. It shows they still give a shit
freaking awesome. But I'm afraid that it'll be too hard to get a hold of one
10K ADM inbound.
Probably not. You know people beg for stuff they never actually use. These are just gonna cost a ton after a while
Nope…GR Corolla I can confirm it’s harder to Get. I’m number one at my dealership for the Supra. Gr Corolla has 20 people on the wait list and supposedly they’re only getting 3 Corollas at my dealer
@@Zayduzit It's gonna be a bid war between the 20 people.
Edit: One time, I was at a Game Stop(years ago obviously). It was Christmas and there was a huge line for people buying the latest Nintendo console at the time, I think it was the Wii U or something. They ran out and the last guy to get the switch in the line was offered 4x the value by another guy in the line right on the spot. He gave in to the offer. I think it made local news, lol.
Nice review guys. Thanks for sharing. Can’t wait to drool over and judge it as I point at my next cars n coffee. Cheers.
I'm just really glad they put some effort into the transmission feel. Todd's comments about there being no "I wish it did..." is quite telling. As always, thanks for sharing your enthusiasm and valid critique!
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching!
@Larry Zhang I've heard that also, Toyota just tightened the BMW transmission up a bit, like adding stiffer springs and / or bushings to the shift linkage in any transmission for a sportier feeling like a tuner shop would do.
@@lar4573Same bro fist model ever made with manual is quite impressive. I cant wait to get my hands all over her
Thanks for another high quality video! This sounds amazing with this Manual Edition!
Amazing! With this Supra, the New Nissan Z, the upcoming GR Corolla, the GR 86 and of coarse the Mazda Miata and Honda Civic Type R, we have some of the best, attainable, manual transmission sports cars ever made. It is sad these cars are going away but I am so glad these cars are here now. Actually pretty amazing is the fact that many of these cars are Toyotas. A driving enthusiast would be foolish to pass on any one of these cars if he or she had the opportunity to buy one before they are gone. Thanks again for the review. This manual GR Supra is on my short list. Now a 6 speed manual Camry TRD or even a "GR" Camry would make for an interesting proposition if Toyota wanted to add a 4th car to its already outstanding 3 car manual line up. Keep up the great work.
Always a solid and thoughtful review guys!
Stellar! Thank you for this review.
A B58 with a proper manual...that's gonna be great.
Sounds like your classic flat 6.. What an amazing sound! Is it possible that there are a few car manufacture's that have not forgotten the joy of DRIVING! Thank you Nissan & Toyota!
Inline 6, but it does sound great!
*BMW
Thank you Hyundai and Porsche!
Let's face it. The New Z forced Toyota to revise the console and rush manual version. Toyota never intended to give a manual Zupr4 from the beginning
"Flat 6" is what 6 cylinder Subaru's(not made anymore) and 6 cylinder porches have. It's shapped like an H (horizontally opposed pistons). I6 is what many 6 cylinder BMW's prefer and V6 is the most common 6 cylinder configuration.
Great revew guys. Great insights and I enjoy your fine efforts. Thank you
Glad to have you watching as always.
Hey, good video gentlemen! 6speed Z car, 6speed Supra. Thank the Lord! It's the 1990's all over again! All we need now is for Mazda to join the party? You guys have to be the polietest reviewers in the history of the automobile?
It’s rumored that the new Mazda rx7 and s2000 coming out in 2024. All we need is the Nissan s16.
Incredible review as always. Really great to hear that you guys both enjoy the gearbox and the changes Toyota did.
I need to start saving up it seems.
You mean BMW did.
It is nice to see that GR Toyota decided to be the best BMW and Subaru tuner shop with the deepest pockets.
Have always loved this new Supra, now with the manual it’s probably my reasonable dream car, especially that a91mt edition, I love brown interiors
Disgusting brown lol can’t stand the two tone leather it’s hiddeous I love my interior on my MT all blacked out but to each there own for sure you do you!
This is a huge win for the Supra. Although I'm in the market for a z06 atm, this will be great buy when they are on the used market.
Okay now I want a Supra.
I have the auto and want to switch but probably wont. Loved the video guys wish it was longer car didn't seem to disappoint.
The landscape is beautiful.
On a layover in Doha on the way to Kenya. And what I first thought on landing. Gotta see the MT Supra video the guys said they were dropping.
Great Points and Great video.
I'd love to see a street and track comparison with this MT Supra, the MT Z, and a Camaro 2SS 1LE MT.
Unfortunately Z didn't give what I wanted, it's not a sports car, more of a floaty GT. The Supra is uncomfortable because I'm taller too, and Toyota took too long to get this to market and I bought myself that 22 2SS 1LE 6M.
You could sneak a Mustang GT:PP too. But they're the last "affordable" sports/muscle cars with Manual Transmissions.
I am on the same boat. Got a 22 2ss 1le in satin steel. Manual. Its summer only and occasional track car. I take it to work and even carry my daughter to and back from daycare. It has been an amazing car. I had to have the back seat otherwise this manual supra is very tempting or waiting patiently and getting a c8 vette.
@@al151 how is the back seat? Also, the steering road feel. May I ask how much you paid. I have a jid in daycare and considering the 1le or Corolla GR. Visibility of the Camaro is a bit of a concern for my kid (he likes looking out) otherwise I'd have one today. Supra won't work with a kid for me.
@@al151 Great choice! I take my little guy to Pre-K in mine as well! Would a 4-door be easier? Sure. but then it's not a 2-door coupe with those sweet lines. After years of 4-door sedans/hatches/SUVs, it was time to go back to my roots. And I love the car. I'll daily it "most months" out of the year, though we get some bad winters here and it'll be keep away from that.
@@sunnyvalentino Steering feel is good for electric, and you can decouple steering settings from the mode you're in, so want Tour steering in Track for the rest? You can do it. You can put the car into Track mode for more precise throttle, touring steering for lower weight and better feedback/feel, and exhaust into sport if you wanted. Good stuff. And then there's a lot more useful modes buried in there too. I wasn't sold on E-diffs until driving this. I paid sticker for mine, which was $52k as it's a 2SS 1LE w/sunroof and some other add ons like Strut-tower brace (cool) and black anodized lugs/locks (I was fine with these).
Amazing car. Astounded this is a Camaro. It cruises so well, the suspension is so well damped while the chassis is crazy stiff. Turn off the stability control and go into competitive modes, wow in the turns.
I have a deposit down on this at an MSRP dealer. Can’t wait to get ahold of it.
Have you guys ever tested a Mini Cooper JCW GP3? It is an automatic, however I found mine to be a quirky fun hot hatch. I'm coming from a tuned Type R FK8 and the Mini is everything I wanted and more. Not as stable as my CTR was, but more thrilling. With the B48 turbocharged engine the Mini has something in common with the Supra, the 4cyl B48 is part of a modular BMW engine family along with the 6cyl B58. The Mini B48 also features a reinforced crankshaft with larger main bearings and new pistons with a lower 9.5:1 compression ratio. This allows the engine to handle more boost. I have not driven a Supra but after feeling the B48 in the Mini I'm sure I would love it, these BMW turbo engines just make great smooth reliable power and my Mini has the capability to get mpg of 24 city 30 highway if I don't keep my foot in the gas all the time. My main reason for going with the Mini GP3 is that I wanted a fwd hot hatch that could perform on a level similar to my Type R but I did not want another Type R.
Amazing how much better the exterior looks now that it has a manual. Sadly I'm still poor and must continue to drive my manual Yaris. 😞
Manual Yaris is a great car, especially with a few choice suspension mods. Congrats.
How would a manual make the exterior look any different?
@@nerad1994 Dude, it was a joke. It is still hideous, but the manual makes it more appealing.
Thank you so much for acknowledging that it's perfectly acceptable to use the auto rev match in cars. Sure people love to heal toe but some people don't care or aren't good enough to be confidant on the track. Drives (pun intended) me nuts that some folks try to tell others they aren't real enthusiasts because they simply prefer to utilize modern technology.
Honestly Rev matching would push people to test the car on track.. Rev matching is something that is so hard to do for an amateur or casual
Some people have egos outsized only by their pride.
Seems like a good way to preserve your clutch plate lol
Which is the same concept as telling people they aren’t enthusiasts if they bust a modern DCT or something. I mean you heard it here in this very video, some tracks of this size you don’t even shift at all, you stay in 3rd the entire time.
Ultimately at the end of the day, enthusiasts just appreciate the car. How you drive it is your own prerogative. I own both a M6 WS6 and a DSG Mk8 R and love them both.
@@AntFragale I went from a manual MK6 GTI to a DSG MK7 Golf R and while I enjoyed the manual I also love the DSG!
sounds so perfect, so want one with the manual
Really good for a modern car it actually let's you turn off the electronic aides
Love the MK 5 Supra! This is my attainable dream car.
Great job guys ... HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE
Hopefully they have a manual for the models for the next few years. My dream car...
Wonderful! Like others here have said, Toyota really needs to address dealer mark ups. And let us actually order cars, please. I would love a Supra but for now it'll be an 86. Whenever they decide to allocate the one I want to me. I put an "order" in on December 17th Toyota. The due date is here.
I'm so glad the CEO of toyata was an ex track guy. He probably had first dip on of all the car transmission.
Holy shet the first video of the Supra on track! Let's gooo
i like the automatic but its nice they brought this out
Hey guys, this car is amazing and would love to own one. I need to fix not being poor first.
Are you gonna be racing with it? I like to look at these cars but they won't suit my needs. I like to have the room since I'm just a normal every day driver. Leg room arm oom. Able to kick back all the way. Cargo room ect
This is a work of art, the GR 86 and the GR Supra? They are some of the best sports cars ever. I genuinely prefer these GR cars to Porsches 🥰 Long Live Gazoo Racing! RWD and Manual are the only way I want my fun cars to be 🥰 (Other than a Lamborghini of course :) )
You guys rock!
One of 500. Sounds like a winner.
Let's hope the manual continues till the car ends production. (:
It won’t these will be very limited and highly desirable I’m calling it 5k or less LHD MT made nation wide
I had replaced an engine in a 2015 335xi a few months back with the 6spd manual,it was the only one I had ever driven with the 3.0 and manuala combo.I have worked on many 2.0 and 3.0 cars mainly timing chain jobs but a handful of complete engine replacements as well. This particular car was a very nice car and I was anxious to drive it after the new engine and clutch install,after the job was complete I did drive the car for about a week before delivery as it was a $15k job and we don't want a come back for even the smallest issue. But to my point,after driving numerous automatic BMW products and then finally driving the 3.0 manual I can tell you in my opinion the manual hurt the car,the automatic is a fine transmission and well matched to the cars performance,the manual(at least in this particular car) was just more of a burden than it was anything else,the car felt slower and just felt wrong in the car. Again just my opinion but I would take the auto all day over the manual at least in that application,which is very similar to the Supra. Have there been any acceleration numbers yet? I would not be surprised to see it is slower than the automatic car,and yes I know there is much more to it than just 0-60 times,but for me that is a bog factor.
The car is down 2 gears from the ZF8A, and the gear ratios will be taller. Bottom line?
The car will be significantly slower than the auto in every metric that matters. And if the manual box feels good? Nobody that wants one will care in the least...
This is amazing. I'm glad Toyota did this
I love My Automatic Supra, it took me two years in a waiting list to get it. SO far it looks like it will be the same with the manual
Manual swap it
Im always going back and fourth debating what I want. A manual gr86 or manual supra... supra has more power so that equals fun. But the gr86 offers fun and the ability to build it up to your want. I love the videos yall make
Supra is better daily than the GR86 ,so that is another factor you may want to think about unless it's a weekend car, but even then it's a decent thing to think about if something happens to your current daily or something.
Lot of people watch reviews and thinks they like handling car and blah blah. Took me about 3 or 4 cars in and realized I like power too. Sold frs and moved on. I owned many civics, s2000, 350z, mr2 etc. currently enjoying Audi s3. I think I want 400+ hp car next. Kinda over under powered “handling” car.
@@kdavid123186 Thanks, I would like to see how much the engine can handle and might turbo it. If it cant handle much, then Ill go with the supra. Ivd only driven a 119 hp sedan.
The GR86 has better looks, reliability, cheaper, lighter, more jdm and most of all… a manual e brake. Don’t get me wrong though, the gr Supra is nice too so it depends if you into German cars.
was there any change in handling with the new manual car? people say the A90's rear suspension has heavy bump-steer and twitchy, did you experience any of this same issues with the manual version?
Guys. I’m looking forward to your GR Corolla review. Currently own a keeper Evo X. I’ve got a deposit down on GRC and really keen to see your take on it and if it does better than Evo X on handling…
Love evo x
Embargo lifts on Sept 14th iirc - you'll be inundated next week.
I wouldn’t come to this channel if you’re looking for proper sport comparison reviews. These too guys are very basic drivers. Not much skill in their bags. Go to channels where the TH-camrs have actually raced a bit. Savageese is a good one.
@@JacesOwnWorld after watching savage geese I can’t watch any other car review by other people
@@JacesOwnWorld I’ve found these guys to be very spot on over the years, and I trust them. Yes, I’ll check out this channel and SG to help me decide. I’ll then go to throttle house/ Chris Harris for final entertainment.
The only review I care about!
Looks like the way up to Hanna from Kamas. Great roads!
Love the car, but I would love even more to see a more aggressive hood on it!
Now if we could have that Targa version shown at SEMA with the manual it would offer a very interesting alternative to the Boxster…since you listened so well the last time.
I would buy that targa version tomorrow, manual or automatic.
but did they fix the wind buffeting issue when the windows are open?
Woulda just loved a Targo top version too :(
Loving my gr corolla
7th in line at my local Toyota dealer, let’s see what kind of markup they want to hit me with.
How is the clutch feel? The M4 Comp I drove had no clutch feel and was underwhelming to drive
We are trying to buy one. Dealership are keeping us from doing that. I can't find a place to buy it at MSRP or even close. They are being marked up 20 30k
the internet was mad when it was introduced because they showed us the ft-1 concept as being the new supra.this right here gave extremely high expectations so when supra was released it looked like a wish version of ft-1.
if they didnt do this and it had a manual option from begining it would had been a hit,and a epic hit if the vents were functional and they didnt add the engine sound through audio.
Good show
Can’t wait to get my hands on one
The thing that sucks now is though they don't sell to non locals if you were to find a deal somewhere else. Depending on the dealership that is. So calling around would be a headache. Goodluck to future owners. If you're under 100 miles you might get a shot.
This car is a rare sight in Europe, considering they're made in Austria. Don't believe I've seen one yet
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Had an m235i and got rid of it (in favor of a 981 boxster s…..BMWs make great motors but everything seems to weigh 3500lbs….this Supra is 100lbs lighter, but my boxster is 500lbs lighter still.
Never mind the power-to-weight ratio - I don’t want my sports car to drive big or heavy. This is probably fun…..would be way more fun if it went on a diet.
Now if they could have someone with working vision rework the styling. I've gotten used to the front, but the clashing lines and fake creases on the side are just a mess.
The only Toyota I’d ever consider…
My kids gave me a 3 day rental of a 2020 Supra for my birthday last year. It was certainly my best b-day present ever. The Supra was a lot of fun to drive. However, the aesthetic design rubs me the wrong way. Were it not for the aesthetic design, I would buy a Supra.
Hearing elsewhere that the fake vents were meant to give the aftermarket a built-in template to work from, it shows how misunderstood this car and immature its timeline remains. While the short wheelbase fails to recapture the stunning show car's exotic proportions and inspiration, it's still a sporty li'l bullet of a thing. Looks better in person.
I would most revise both it & The Z from the back of the headlights forward. The track-inspired nose has been perfectly stunted. The Z's headlights have an awkward backward glance, a hangover from the industry's neo-retro trend 20 yrs ago.
This segment is Gospel
Chance was getting some GREAT shots!
Thanks but actually most of these were from Toyota. There's a couple in there that are mine though 😁
It's too bad the manual came so late but better late than never. Thanks for this TestDrive review. How does this transmission compare to other currently available transmissions, In the top 10?
FINALLLLLLLLY!!! Now it's time to head to Toyota dealership.
Can’t wait to compare this to my auto Supra!
Hard to decide. Before the Corolla, this is what I wanted. Now there's a choice, especially since I already have an 86, so rwd is covered.
You’re not the only one. I got tired of waiting for the manual Supra and got the 86. The GRC is next… Supra will have to wait.
I would add the M4 carbon bucket seats!
I'm #2 on the list at my local Toyota dealer, submitted half a year ago but still waiting for the allocation.
Yep good luck the dealers are buying them as well if they are high up I’m dealing with that at my local dealer it’s hell!
@@threadoflife I actually got my allocation and it delivered to dealer in Feb 2023 (about 10 months total wait time), but I backed out and received my deposit back in full (I have pretty good relationship w/ my Toyota dealer). Instead, I got an allocation and took home the 2023 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 in Python Green this past May. Very happy with my decision.
Oddly enough, I bought a 2024 BMW M240i 2 weeks ago to replace my 2019 Civic Type R as my daily (we have winters). It has the same B58 engine and ended up with the same color specs, in Brooklyn Grey exterior and Tacora Red interior, as the Supra I initially ordered. I purposely didn't spec it that way but it's what BMW had in their showroom, so no allocation/build wait times for me fortunately. Happy with that purchase too, looks more under the radar. But the M240i has backseats and X-Drive for AWD, so still more functional than the Supra for daily driving.
Regardless, nothing can really replace the Supra within the price point. If you put in your order this year, your dealer probably won't start getting them delivered until Feb-Apr 2024. So hopefully you get through all the obstacles and take home your Supra!
Have they fixed the loud wind buffeting sound with the windows down? That's really the last deal breaker for me
I've got nothing against the Supra, looks like a great car.
What I have against is the stealerships that are now marking this car up $50,000-$70,000 above sticker. Its over $100,000 at most stealerships.
The Mak Haik Nissan here in Houston wants $130,000 for the Nissan 400Z
You what they say….there is a seat for every a**.
GTAV prices 😂
Yep good luck finding one
So glad its not crappy like the M2s manual trans.
I hope as much as the internet complained, they go out and buy a manual A90 and not prove Toyota right about offering the auto initially. The Z is a swing and miss so here's a better new option.
I’ve always had manuals aside from suv…I enjoy the auto in this car. 🤷🏻♂️
Got to say the looks have grown on me..
The Camaro 1le Supra 91 the Nissan z. Best bang for buck. If dealers don’t sell it for 100k in mark up. The z needs coils better wheels and tires but then again you can mod every other car. There’s a reason pro drifters buy these cars as daily’s and racecars.
Legend😮😮😮🙌
Now they just need to make it a convertible as icing on the cake, with the cherry 🍒 on top.
Those new wheels are gorgeous. Can't tell if they are black or gunmetal. They kind of look like both depending on the lighting.
Matte gray
Sounds like it has a bit of rev hang??
Dealerships i have called mostly asking kver $7k in PA at least.
Does the MT edition have blind spot assist?
Yes in the premium
I'm not surprised by the comment about Cayman like rotation. For the final price of this after dealer price gouge I'll buy another Cayman and have a much better car that will hold more of it's value.
Can the supra be driven with the windows down now?
That funny dude over at Haggerty insinuated in his vid this past week that BMW gave Toyota a lower-spec version of the B58 for the supra, and that the B58 equipped BMWs are putting out even more power e.g. M240i
I wonder if you guys believe this take?
Not true
HAHA I don't think I've ever watched a review on the supra where people didn't make weird grunts and other noises when getting in and out of it. Kudos to Toyota for finally giving people what they have been screaming for.
Nissan Z forced Toyota's hand which is great, but I still want to see the manual take rate on both through the generation.
Enthusiasts love manuals but enthusiasts don't buy new cars, especially new cars about $50K. What enthusiasts really love is to complain while not contributing to the market. Just take a look at the Corvette manual take rates over the last few generations followed by the enthusiast backlash to the auto only C8.
Yeah but the Corvette is an older generation dream car and the Supra is chiefly a millennials dream car and they're starting to come into money
@@LLG47 You are confused. The Corvette is a dream car to all generations. It never went out of production and is always a super bargain.
The amount of people with money that are car enthusiasts are rare and they would have rather spend 60K heavily modifying a Honda S2000 than buy a new midrange sports car.
So you are left with a small number of reasonable car enthusiasts but mostly people wanting a sports car for appearances only of which will likely choose competitors over the Supra and wont consider a manual at all.
@@FLBoyCanScrap I'm aware of all that but I'd wager to bet that the average age of the Corvette is older than that of the Supra.
@@LLG47 Depends on which Corvette. C5 is full of high schoolers now. Also the C8 dominates the Supra in sales.
You overestimate how many younger people can responsibly buy $50K+ cars and will do so over putting there money into real estate, investments, or vacations first.
Car first people are rarer than you think, and as I said the Supra has a ton of competition and many drawbacks.
Maybe your right, but if you are, then why haven’t companies just made automatics only from decades now? Manual cars haven’t sold better than automatics for decades. Your philosophical argument doesn’t only apply to current sports cars. So why the need for manuals anyways anymore? Hell, why the need for ICE vehicles anymore too? Most EV’s are faster right?…