FYI, I've found that, while it disrupts the Mutate plan and isn't something you want to do often, blinking a big mutate pile and splitting it into five different creatures can actually be a way to win the game. Sometimes you have a creature that was a 6/6 with a ton of abilities, but you could blink it on your opponent's end step to make it a total 17 power across five bodies and knock an opponent that you've been getting low out of the game. It's not something that you should build around or plan on very often, but in the right situation it's worth paying attention to.
Worth noting that this also works with Undying. If a creature on the mutate stack has undying, the whole stack goes to the graveyard, splits apart, and every creature in the stack returns separate with a counter on it
Great video! Only one small goofy rules correction - your idea behind liking Brood of Cockroaches @ 11:11 is well intended (we want those mutate creatures coming back to hand). However, the timing with Brood of Cockroaches is weird, as it has to wait until end of turn to return to hand. Oddly, that means that ONLY the TOP creature on the mutate stack returns to hand at EOT (verified on MTGO). Super confusing. BUT your idea is right, and the 2 cards that do this correctly (bring the whole stack back to hand) are Mortus Strider and Endless Cockroaches (from Portal). Thanks for making the video!
Yup, it makes sense because the top card (the one with all the effects) is ONE card (separate from it's mutate pile) in the graveyard when the ability goes to look for it. The mutate pile doesn't remain as such while in the graveyard.
It definitely works the way it’s said in the video. It says when it is put into the graveyard from the battlefield aka: Dies. You pay 1 life as the mutated creature dies returning the whole mutated creature to your hand (every card that was mutated onto). Makes sense to me.
In commander clash one of the things you could do is a 20 dollar upgrade contest where in effect you can just use one of your decks from your article but the others can take it in their own direction but due to the $20 limit on cards not in the precon you will still show off the precon without having to deal with obvious problems.
I can understand taking out Cazur....... but ditching the Whale Wolf? Idk about that. Not only does it make your mutated creature un blockable it can potentially deal big damage if it leaves the battlefield. I like that.
I wonder why nobody suggested Progenitor Mimic. If one mutates on the token and put the new mutate creature on top the new card stops being a token and will produce more tokens again. It is a pretty save way to use Mutate while still keeping a wider board presence. Clone effects in general are nice to clone cards like the opponents commanders and then mutate onto the clone to get a stronger version of the commander. A 6/6 Aurellia vs a 3/4 guess the 6/6 is better especially if it produces a non legendary copy token of it each turn ;).
Personally, I plan to take all the mutate cards and build a 5 colour deck featuring the lot. I'll have Surgeon Commander around for tables that will let me play it, and something like Ramos for tables that won't. Getting to combine Otrimi and Snapdax is gonna feel reeeaaal good.
I dont understand why they didnt make this a 5c commander. Ikoria is the ONLY mutate set and you can't even use all the mutate creatures from it for this deck. What a waste.
An argument could be made for white with the go wide tokenmaking strategy, but together with the red mutate creatures they don't have much to offer compared to diluting the manabase for 4 or even 5C. BUG allready gives you all the best mutate options and the colors have all the support you'll ever need be it ramp card draw or efficient creatures. In BUG there are 21 mutate creatures and 3 that care about mutating which is plenty "tribe" members considering how mana intensive the strategy is. You'd rather spend your card slots to make more mana and have great mutate targets than to fix 5 colors for 3 cards (the other non jeskai legendary creatures with mutate)
@@DarthTUK They could have made the face commander have a sultai cost but some kind of 5c mutate ability like "you may cast a creature from your hand as if it had mutate" which would make it super flexible and interesting. As is this limits you to basically only what you get in the precon and doesn't allow you to play around with any of the interesting Apex creatures aside from boring old Brokkos which you don't even want in this deck
@@MidgarMerc that's exactly what they should have done. Make a mutate commander that can be built around in 5 colots.. even if not on the precon itself.
Playgroup depending, there's already a 5C option in the silver-bordered Surgeon General Commander. I'm tinkering with a list, intending to play 5C Mutate a little via webcam games with friends, and will have no other un-cards as the general isn't that "Un" on its own. Then I'll split the deck into BUG Volrath and 5C (Un-shenanigans and complicated rules interaction tribal). That way the BUG list will be playable at any table, and the 5C one only gets played at tables that want a weird game. SGC doesn't work for MTGO, of course.
You can only have one non-mutate creature in a stack, so I don't think you wanna put Otrimi on something like Cephalid Constable. Put Otrimi on something with with hexproof or indestructible. The only other card I wanna mutate on it is Sea-Dasher Octopus (because they have the same kind of triggered ability). I'd rather have all my "whenever this creature mutates" creatures in a separate pile. For cards like Cephalid Constable (and various infect creatures), I'm much more interested in mutating Brokkos from my graveyard over and over again when they remove it.
Cool. This set was my draft in my commander pool. Thanks for the good tips. But I will be leaving the Refractor in as my regular opponents always play better lands than I do
If you mutate onto a creature that cannot be countered can the mutate still be countered? Since both cards would have the same abilities like mutating onto a primal tide.
The creature you're mutating on to is already on the board and your mutate spell is still just that, a spell, until it resolves. Think of it as an aura until it resolves. Mutating can still be countered.
1 blight mamba? Either go in or don't.. Also, taking out Manascape Refractor???? That's one of the best cards in the deck. It's a Mana rock and a great addition to budget decks competing with other players that pay for expensive lands (giving you access to their powerful effects).. and for a Sakura no less......
I like that there are trade-offs. Otherwise we get the Edgar Markov problem of there being no reason to run any other vampire commander as Edgar gives all the colors and is just too good.
Taking out krosan grip and petrify are bad choices and makes the deck propergate the biggest problem in commander which is un-interactive decks. Might as well goldfish at home and say what turn you go off on and the earliest person wins.
Not much point in upgrading the precons when the supply is disrupted and you can't go to an LGS because of a virus. You may not even get your precon, and if you do you can't play with it.
@@Zach0451 For you (and me too, to be fair). But the articles are useful for those that do play online, with friends and audio chat or just with strangers. I have a friend that fully proxied the cycling deck he's got on order. And they'll be useful once paper is an option again. But for now, let them be helpful to others even if you can't use it yourself yet.
The $200 Upgrade is in the article: www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/enhanced-evolution-sultai-mutate-commander-2020-precon-upgrade-20-200-budget-commander
FYI, I've found that, while it disrupts the Mutate plan and isn't something you want to do often, blinking a big mutate pile and splitting it into five different creatures can actually be a way to win the game. Sometimes you have a creature that was a 6/6 with a ton of abilities, but you could blink it on your opponent's end step to make it a total 17 power across five bodies and knock an opponent that you've been getting low out of the game. It's not something that you should build around or plan on very often, but in the right situation it's worth paying attention to.
I realize I'm quite randomly asking but does anybody know of a good place to stream new tv shows online?
@Calvin Nathaniel i watch on flixzone. You can find it on google =)
Worth noting that this also works with Undying. If a creature on the mutate stack has undying, the whole stack goes to the graveyard, splits apart, and every creature in the stack returns separate with a counter on it
You found a use for Elusive Tormentor! It's taken 4 years but that card finally has somewhere it can be good!
Great video! Only one small goofy rules correction - your idea behind liking Brood of Cockroaches @ 11:11 is well intended (we want those mutate creatures coming back to hand). However, the timing with Brood of Cockroaches is weird, as it has to wait until end of turn to return to hand. Oddly, that means that ONLY the TOP creature on the mutate stack returns to hand at EOT (verified on MTGO). Super confusing. BUT your idea is right, and the 2 cards that do this correctly (bring the whole stack back to hand) are Mortus Strider and Endless Cockroaches (from Portal). Thanks for making the video!
Yup, it makes sense because the top card (the one with all the effects) is ONE card (separate from it's mutate pile) in the graveyard when the ability goes to look for it. The mutate pile doesn't remain as such while in the graveyard.
this was talked about on twitter. people confirmed to tomer, that it should work. most likely a bug on mtgo or a very specific ruling
I was told by a judge online that it works the way I hoped, but I could definitely be wrong. Thank you for the replacement suggestions, they're great!
@@tomerabramovici32 You should ask Eli on his blog. If he says it works it works. elishffrn.tumblr.com/ask
It definitely works the way it’s said in the video. It says when it is put into the graveyard from the battlefield aka: Dies. You pay 1 life as the mutated creature dies returning the whole mutated creature to your hand (every card that was mutated onto). Makes sense to me.
At the end of the video you showed the original list instead of the upgraded one
Oops sorry! The upgraded list and $200 upgrade are in the article
In commander clash one of the things you could do is a 20 dollar upgrade contest where in effect you can just use one of your decks from your article but the others can take it in their own direction but due to the $20 limit on cards not in the precon you will still show off the precon without having to deal with obvious problems.
Taking out Krosan Grip is just bad advice.
I can understand taking out Cazur....... but ditching the Whale Wolf? Idk about that. Not only does it make your mutated creature un blockable it can potentially deal big damage if it leaves the battlefield. I like that.
Literary just won with this.. hes forgetting that the comander is a 6/6 and unblockable is deadly as hell
There are just better options
This is the deck I got out of the set. Two reasons, 1. Sultai and 2. He's bent over looking at you upside down 🙃.
How about playing Polyraptor as a Mutate target!
Idk if I'd cut krosan grip, that card can save you when no other artifact / enchantment hate could
Tree of perdition has done insane work in my Mutate deck,
Do you have a file for the art used in the thumbnail by any chance?
I wonder why nobody suggested Progenitor Mimic. If one mutates on the token and put the new mutate creature on top the new card stops being a token and will produce more tokens again. It is a pretty save way to use Mutate while still keeping a wider board presence. Clone effects in general are nice to clone cards like the opponents commanders and then mutate onto the clone to get a stronger version of the commander. A 6/6 Aurellia vs a 3/4 guess the 6/6 is better especially if it produces a non legendary copy token of it each turn ;).
Personally, I plan to take all the mutate cards and build a 5 colour deck featuring the lot. I'll have Surgeon Commander around for tables that will let me play it, and something like Ramos for tables that won't.
Getting to combine Otrimi and Snapdax is gonna feel reeeaaal good.
I dont understand why they didnt make this a 5c commander. Ikoria is the ONLY mutate set and you can't even use all the mutate creatures from it for this deck. What a waste.
An argument could be made for white with the go wide tokenmaking strategy, but together with the red mutate creatures they don't have much to offer compared to diluting the manabase for 4 or even 5C. BUG allready gives you all the best mutate options and the colors have all the support you'll ever need be it ramp card draw or efficient creatures.
In BUG there are 21 mutate creatures and 3 that care about mutating which is plenty "tribe" members considering how mana intensive the strategy is. You'd rather spend your card slots to make more mana and have great mutate targets than to fix 5 colors for 3 cards (the other non jeskai legendary creatures with mutate)
@@DarthTUK They could have made the face commander have a sultai cost but some kind of 5c mutate ability like "you may cast a creature from your hand as if it had mutate" which would make it super flexible and interesting. As is this limits you to basically only what you get in the precon and doesn't allow you to play around with any of the interesting Apex creatures aside from boring old Brokkos which you don't even want in this deck
@@MidgarMerc that's exactly what they should have done. Make a mutate commander that can be built around in 5 colots.. even if not on the precon itself.
Playgroup depending, there's already a 5C option in the silver-bordered Surgeon General Commander. I'm tinkering with a list, intending to play 5C Mutate a little via webcam games with friends, and will have no other un-cards as the general isn't that "Un" on its own. Then I'll split the deck into BUG Volrath and 5C (Un-shenanigans and complicated rules interaction tribal). That way the BUG list will be playable at any table, and the 5C one only gets played at tables that want a weird game. SGC doesn't work for MTGO, of course.
Was just looking for this, yesterday - thanks so much! Helping me decide on which of the 5 decks to snag.
Never remove Krosan grip. You kept the x hydra card, but cut most x cost spells. Remove that instead.
I keep reading Deadly Rollkick in "Deadly Rickroll"
You can only have one non-mutate creature in a stack, so I don't think you wanna put Otrimi on something like Cephalid Constable. Put Otrimi on something with with hexproof or indestructible. The only other card I wanna mutate on it is Sea-Dasher Octopus (because they have the same kind of triggered ability). I'd rather have all my "whenever this creature mutates" creatures in a separate pile. For cards like Cephalid Constable (and various infect creatures), I'm much more interested in mutating Brokkos from my graveyard over and over again when they remove it.
Cool. This set was my draft in my commander pool. Thanks for the good tips. But I will be leaving the Refractor in as my regular opponents always play better lands than I do
Would Mortus Strider be a good addition? Just found this looking through my cards.
Yes, it is. Except your creature gets exiled.
Why would the creature get exiled? Wouldn’t it return to my hand?
@@Ozzymortal No, sorry, what I meant was: if someone plays e.g. a Swords to Plowshares on it, the Strider doesn't help.
Feyamius oh yeah that makes more sense lol that’ll probably be the counters for mutate decks for sure
could you do a budget cazur and ukkima?
so everybody makes budget commander videos but what about a non budget series?
If you mutate onto a creature that cannot be countered can the mutate still be countered? Since both cards would have the same abilities like mutating onto a primal tide.
The creature you're mutating on to is already on the board and your mutate spell is still just that, a spell, until it resolves. Think of it as an aura until it resolves. Mutating can still be countered.
Where can I get this thumbnail art?? it's adorable
Man i want to time travel to 1 month ago when Cephalid Constable wasnt $13 lol
Not a huge fan of these upgrades, great suggestions but I hate how quite a lot of the really cool cards are stripped from the deck
same here
it's a really good deck but there is too many powerful and useful cards being taken out :(
Ya honestly not a big fan of the changes, this was more of an Mutate deck then an actual Enhanced Evolutions deck upgrade.
you guys put up the default decklist again at the end instead of the enhanced one...
Great work as always, but i would consider an upgrate to the alternate commander since mutate is a rarly supported key word.
1 blight mamba? Either go in or don't..
Also, taking out Manascape Refractor???? That's one of the best cards in the deck. It's a Mana rock and a great addition to budget decks competing with other players that pay for expensive lands (giving you access to their powerful effects).. and for a Sakura no less......
You basically took out all the hydras but not the hydra commander that creates more hydras...
I think the X-spell sub theme seems fun but I feel like X tribal wants red for fireballs
I like that there are trade-offs. Otherwise we get the Edgar Markov problem of there being no reason to run any other vampire commander as Edgar gives all the colors and is just too good.
Taking out krosan grip and petrify are bad choices and makes the deck propergate the biggest problem in commander which is un-interactive decks. Might as well goldfish at home and say what turn you go off on and the earliest person wins.
You forgot virtus the veiled, and I think Illuna isn’t a bad mutate target
*ukkima
huh i thought commander quarters do that
I just realized how shitty Vivien's bow form is.
That's sexist
@@Zach0451 Oh no. Don't let the Eldrazi get me.
PL 6
Not much point in upgrading the precons when the supply is disrupted and you can't go to an LGS because of a virus.
You may not even get your precon, and if you do you can't play with it.
You can.. if you really want to, you can play online with actual cards.
@@Big_Dai That is not anywhere near a reasonable substitute for the real thing
@@Zach0451 For you (and me too, to be fair). But the articles are useful for those that do play online, with friends and audio chat or just with strangers. I have a friend that fully proxied the cycling deck he's got on order. And they'll be useful once paper is an option again. But for now, let them be helpful to others even if you can't use it yourself yet.
Wheres the 200 dollar one?
The $200 Upgrade is in the article: www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/enhanced-evolution-sultai-mutate-commander-2020-precon-upgrade-20-200-budget-commander
1st?
Tomer you out did yourself. Bravo