Here in Germany, there are often problems with the distance sensors on the ID.4s when a frame that is too wide (with advertising from the dealership) is installed on the front license plate as a base. This then protrudes into the sensors and confuses the system. Unfortunately, most dealerships are unaware of the problem and are looking for hardware and software issues. Also, if different license plate formats are used in the US, this could be the reason for the sensor problems.
So many cool things happening in this video. Kyle is much more gentle than I have seen him before. McKayla is really highly in tune with the electric car world than I would have thought and she really can communicate what she feels about this car. On the negative side, she has knocked out the ID4 and also this Toyota for me. She is so believable in her experiences and interpretations of the cars functions, feels, and experience. I really liked this video a lot and thank you for all the opinions 👍👍👍
ID.4 all day over the bZ4X. Better in practically every way and has the tax credit. Have had zero issues with our 23 Pro S, zero sensor issues, zero issues at all in general, love the car. McKayla is a nice addition to the channel, would like to see her more!
It’s not just the tax credit. For us people who have worked 35 years and don’t make enough for the full 7500 vw is giving 7500 on your lease and toyota isn’t.
In the Netherlands the bz4x and id4 were tested recently by carmagazine. The bz4x won...better build, better charging, better warranty, much more comfortable and same range, 450km. Bz4x also more affordable.... . The sister model Solterra was tested against Audi q4 etron. The Solterra was the far better car. Good range considering the far smaller battery pack, far more efficient ev motors, far better warranty, more comfortable, better charging etc etc etc.
It's weird, but the BZ is growing on me... I think the ID.4 looks better on camera, but in person, I think I prefer the BZ - it actually looks kind of special in person whereas the ID.4 looks a bit cheap. And, the ID.4 has the rising belt line, which I think is a look that's played out. I'm not sure I'd be happy with the ID.4 as a road tripper, so comparing both as commuters the charging and range differences might not matter. And, I think the BZ might look better as it ages.
I love ID.4 tech when it stops at traffic light on autopilot, but for family car BZ4x space for rear passengers and unique wheel+dash placement for my short arms and long legs is perfect, so these 2 thing is win win for me way ahead. And design in my taste Bz4x looks way better than ID.4. So Bz4x comfort wins against practicality and tech of id4.
Describing the id.4 interior as "A bit more premium" is exactly right. That driving seat area looks UGLY. Genuinely would not buy it because of that area. The interior doesn't seem to match itself at all(in my opinion) where the id.4 tried a full theme. Am a big fan of putting the instrument cluster on the steering like the id.4 so when it is adjusted it is in the same position for anyone who drives it.
Having the instrument cluster closer to the wind screen is very comfortable once the seating and steering is adjusted to your liking on the BZ4X. But when I test drove ID.4 and ID.5 I didn’t think about adjusting anything. VW nailed it with a lot of the ergonometric stuff.
I like that you have a normal EV person give a review. You can tell McKayla is trying to be polite in her opinion of the BZ4X. To be honest she only drove it a short time compared to how long she had her ID4. I wonder if her opinion would change if she had it for a week or so.
2023 ID.4 owner here, same exact car as McKayla same color and trim, 12k miles with no problems whatsoever. The Toyota BZ4X is inferior to the ID.4 IMO in every way. I also leased the 2021 ID.4 as well as the 2022 and loved both of them.
The bz4x is a sub par ev it has bad range, bad charging, and even worse efficiency there are a ton more cars that are just as reliable that are EVs that you can get for the same price or cheaper@@yaqoobabdulrahim383
Actually a great change up from always watching Kyle, appreciate you letting her give a perspective between the two cars! BTW, I think the smoke from Canada is also leaving a residue on the cars outside. I washed mine outside, let it dry, then pulled it back in the garage, and there is a very fine mist of particles on it, assume from the smoke! geez, Where is Coleton when I need him? LOL -- (we are in Broomfield)
Twenty bucks for McKayla! Buy her a Starbucks Gift card or something. Seriously, her reviews are great for those of us who want a transportation appliance. I also don't say "Throttle Mapping" in normal conversation :)
We have the same exact ID4 Pro S, no issues with sensors at almost 5k miles. We do have the door handles recall. Some random bugs but nothing major. I’ve had way more issues with our Model 3! Lol. I just wish VW would improve their app! That bZ4XYZ whatever is an eyesore, ugh! Love your videos, keep them coming!
Would love to see your full review. Nice to hear from McKayla. As for the car we just purchased a couple for work. While I won't be road tripping in the work vehicle, I did hear that there are some additional DC fast charging limits. For example I have heard that Toyota limits charging to 2XFull Charge limit per day and anything after that would be reduced to Level 2 charge speeds. That would be horrible for long road trips. Please test this out.
We have a bz4x and can confirm that it has this DCFC limit. I learned it the hard way when I had to take the car from Maine to Baltimore and it tool me 23 hours. We're currently trying to lemon law the bz4x because we were never told about this limit and we occasionally need to take it on road trips and we just can't with it.
I had my Solterra (essentially the same as the B4z) upgraded in June. Now, the percentage charge is displayed on the console, the decreased range associated with the AC has been adjusted to a more realistic value, DC charging on road trips is now 3.86 (a significant improvement over the former 2 times) and the range improved by releasing some range reserved in the buffer. An advantage compared with the ID 4 is the heat pump in the Solterra. Unfortunately, like the ID 4 preconditioning is lacking. I understand that this will remedied in later versions. I have driven the Solterra on two road trips. Went great (including DC charging). All in all we are satisfied with the Solterra. We find that the full charge delivers ca 420 km of range. Not so impressive but nevertheless not a problem on road trips since the number of charges is now ca 4 time in a 24 hour period. I notte that Kyle does not like the material covering the dashboard. This of course is a matter of taste; I like it mainly because it breaks up the plastic parts of the interior. Will need to vacuum it though.
I'd probably stick with our ID4. The cabin is comfortable, minimalistic and spacious. Software needs work, but comfort gives it the edge. What surprised me, after recently sitting in a Model Y, was just how spacious the ID4 cabin felt. The Y gave me an impression of being in a smaller vehicle, although physical dimensions favor the Y, I had to jump into the Model X, sitting across the room, to regain that comfort level of the ID4. I'd argue perceived *interior* size of the ID4 sits between the Y and X.
in-laws have a Y, we have an ID4, the main use with the Y and it fleeing claustrophobic is the low roof line, it's in proportion to the hood, but it's very low hood. that and the back hatch slopes down so quickly on the Y, it really hurts the usability of the cargo area.
USA does not give incentive because its built in Japan, here in canada we get incentive. And don’t make a mistake, Toyota don’t fix things that have not broken, they use charger because they have many Hybrids and Prime using charger with very good results. My experience with Toyota is they build a very good car, and my Prime Rav4 and BZ is just fantastic, I had an ID4 on order until my BZ arrived and lucky for me, I did not have to deal with the battery issue VW had/has. Love my BZ, and have Rav4 Prime for long distance, what a great car this is.
Thank you for this review. i was shopping for an EV last year to replace my aging Malibu hybrid. Owning three Toyota cars (1993 and 1999 Lexus SC400 and 2004 Toyota Camry), I so wanted to go Toyota. But the Lexus RZ and Toyota BZ4X were not available in November. I tested several id.4 cars and almost got one, but selected a Mach-e instead. I have since heard many stories about the id.4 update issues. 13,000 miles later, I'm still very happy with my selection.
There are some other issues with the bz4x suspension system too, which are not immediately apparent. If you run into a curb, this thing is gonna get messed up badly. I once run my bz4x by a fairly low curb, driving 27 mph, and that knocked the steering column off center. They had to re-alight three wheels, for only one of them touching the curb. I mean seriously! The charging issue is a real problem. It pulls much lower power than any car I happen to park next, and it limits the charging to two times a day, which ruined my first long trip, and made me hate this freaking car.
We have same car and don’t have the left sensor issue. But have other sensor issues, rain, back hatch foot, moving pages on screen. Overall wonderful car.
Michaela sounds as though she's being polite about the Toyota, but it's great to hear the viewpoint of a Toyota lover who is an 'ordinary' car driver. Thanks to you both. 🙂👍
I'd prefer the Bz4x to the ID.4. There are too many annoyences with the hvac and infotainment on the ID.4. Both have about the same range and neither is a charging monster like kia/Hyundai.
The only benefit of the Toyota is better quality and reliability. As a ID.4 owner, getting service done in the US has been inconvenient. Still waiting for a part and software update. Never has issues with my previously owned Toyota’s.
Hi! I actually received my ID.4 on Friday. Pro S AWD. Vehicle came as a lemon. Vehicle charge port was defective. I’m actually canceling my order and not accepting the car and returning for full refund. For a company as big as VW, where was the quality control. I ordered the car 4Q 2021 it’s been exactly 18 months for me to receive the delivery. And it took 1 day for my to lose faith in the car.
You missed two major differences between these two cars: ID4 has a very hard ride, with a stiff suspension that gives a sporty feeling, while Toyota is the opposite, it has a soft suspension that provides comfort. This was evident in two moments in this video: when she braked while backing down because she was not used to the Toyota's movement, and when she commented on how sensitive the ID4's accelerator pedal is. I'm surprised you did not mention this because these two things were what I personally disliked about the VW ID4 when I tried it. Not to mention that ID3 and ID4 were the only cars that made my kid throw up twice, because they did not offer a smooth and comfortable ride. Also, ID4 software is really buggy, it improved with some updates, but Toyota does not have such issues.
Michaela should go for the Model Y standard model with 279 miles of range and $48K before the full $7.5K tax incentive. Better deal assuming you don't have an anti-Tesla bias.
At the beginning of 2018 Navigator production. I discovered that if you backed it up close to a wall and exited the vehicle with the key, the rear hatch would open. I believe it was some bad software that thought you were kicking your leg under the hatch to open it. First time it happened I ran to the back fast enough to stop the hatch with my hand, I thought I must have hit the button in my pocket. Then it happened again while I was holding the key. So I started trying to replicate the problem and it happened everytime you'd exit with the key while backed close to an object. They opened up a ticket with Ford support in service then the problem disappeared a few weeks later with new software.
The good news is that Teslas have never had any bugs, and have never needed any repairs. Three years of trouble-free iD4 ownership, and it's a great vehicle.
I understand the BZ4X does not allow you to have a hitch mounted bike rack that exceeds 100 pounds. Deal breaker for us as a Thule hitch mount and 2 mountain bikes are going to exceed that. The ID4 comes equipped with a standard receiver hitch that the dealer can easily change to a 2” receiver
We have a model s and just picked up a bz last week. We have been really enjoying the bz, great for getting into our cabin (4x4 road) husband uses it for a work vehicle (level 2 charging). Doesn’t have great range or charging, but hoping the update coming will take some of those concerns away. We also live in canada so it qualified for rebates. Id’s seem to be harder to get here right now.
Cracks me up to hear all the hate on the window switches of the ID.4. How often do you have to lower the back windows from the front? I guess if you had a dog that you want to constantly be opening the back windows for, it might be an issue. You want to know a big issue with the pro S? Mirror position memory. Unless you buy the pro S plus (and it came withe power folding mirrors), you can heat your seat, you can save seat positions, massage your back, but if you have more than one driver, sorry, spend another minute repositioning the mirrors before you start driving.
It seems that the range for the BZ4X is much shorter than the ID.4. That being said, as an owner of the ID.4, it's a bit frustrating now especially for their current recalls. Those who got the software update along with the 12v battery replacement got lucky as they haven't done it to all of the 2021s. Because right now, all of the 12V battery are on national backorder! And to learn that there's two different 12V batteries for the ID.4. So that means I cannot do the other two battery recalls because of this holdup. There's also a rear door seal recall that is with the vehicle along with Door handle recall that there's still no resolution for it. I do like the car, but I thought the experienced automakers should've done this better than Tesla.
@@john1701a We got the bigger battery of the 2021 ID.4. I think the 2023 is a bit better from what I heard. It's just the 2021 is still working out big bugs
It seems like it's really only going to be purchased by Toyota Super Loyalist....there are so many better options now. I like the way it looks but it just isn't as good as what else is out there.
It is selling well in ohio. Watch Tesla Bjorn his car had the update for may and the fwd has better charging. Kyle gets the top trim cars and forgets about the base fwd with a different battery than the awd . He reviewed this before. If he doesn’t get a fwd with the front wheel drive no new news just a bash fest by mostly tesla fans that will turn their nose up at any thing. It is almost like people that believe everything elon says. Kyle gets people to believe everything he says but not me. I see thru the bull. Bjorn even with being a Tesla fan he is funny and he gets cars that others don’t going back to 2013. Average ev is a kyle deciple he quotes him and gets as hateful about charging companies when he doesn’t help with constant negativity. Ea does cart wheels to rip out Colorado chargers when Kyle complains . Newscolumb, Alex on autos are unbiased channels that don’t bash as much and they give info without constant complaints
She was very nice to the BZ4...the interior is so ugly and plastic looking yuck. My only reason for buying ID4 WAS the free EA charging for 3 years, and I think most people would feel the same. This car is DOA but toyota sheep will still buy it and brag that it lasts for 500,000 miles
Yes, most people buy Toyota for their reliability. Toyota has never been the flashiest vehicle in the road or has the best technology. They were at the #1 spot for that main reason.... reliability. Toyota already stated that the slower charging speed was due to maintaining battery health. Charging fast when the battery is cold is very bad for the battery....but what does that matter to people who buy new cars every few years. However, if people are to keep this car for 10 years or more, that extra charging time will be acceptable if they know they won't have to replace their batteries in 10 years.
if you have ventilated seats, do not have anyone in the car with you if you pass gas, that shhh will last for a good minute... dont eat boil eggs in the morning
It's a big difference going from a Toyota to a German car. The materials are more solid, and closing a door feels less flimsy. I do question some engineering aspects of the Germans, and with EV's now their software. Overall a pleasant video to watch!
Ignore company nationality. It's heavily based on the combination of model / price range and manufacturing location origin. That is literally what dictates quality.
Like the non-car people feedback. I don't think the BZ4X looks as bad as I thought it did in the early press stuff, but it has been brutally beaten up to the point it is a hard sell now. While I like having a display in front of the driver, this layout just looks "wrong". Maybe it is different sitting behind the wheel, but it looks wrong. Slow charging, cheaper build quality, small battery and range. No tax break. Well the tax break thing can be compensated with a dealer who is willing to wheel and deal. I would much rather get a discount off the price than to mess around with the tax refund. I am hearing some of the Hyundai/Kia dealers are getting aggressive with the prices below MSRP to sell cars since they don't get the tax breaks. Frankly I would prefer better prices to the tax breaks.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 When the manufacturer chooses "dumb range" they typically jam more battery. This car isn't very efficient so I would have expected them to jam more battery in there. But your point is right These aren't small batteries.
Nice post John I was taking to my video when Kyle got it wrong. I remember you from the original Prius . I had a 2006 and have the 2012 plugin advanced.
Its pretty crazy how insane people get over Tesla's build quality but VW an 100 year old car company that supposedly knows what they are doing gets a pass. Pretty wild.
@@normt430 nonsense lol. They have the same fit and finish. And what a low IQ thing to say after they just admitted they had to lemon law one of their ID.4’s
Seems like at this price point I'd much rather have the rav4 prime if I wanted a toyota. That said, like a lot of these cars, they're basically unobtainium if you dont want to wait a year or spend way over sticker.
“Over-the-air” what does it mean ? how does it work ? do you mean you connect the car to your wireless WiFi at home and it gets the update from Internet ? or does the car comes with a sim card connected to cellphone network and only connects to VW servers ?
it means internet connection be it wifi at home or however you get your wifi. Some car updates require you to bring the car to a dealership . In this case you only need wifi ( and can use your own internet at home ) hence over the air.
Great video as always, my first time commenting although I have watched loads of your content. Quite different to the UK, I currently have a Kona Electric 64kw. Here in the UK we can get cars on a scheme called Motability that is an organisation that supplies cars to disabled folk on a three year lease, all paid through a Government welfare benefit called Disability Living Allowance all costs on the vehicle are covered under the scheme your only outlay is that you have to put fuel, (petrol, diesel or electric), in the car. I'm coming to the end of my lease this year and because I need a car that can tow a small caravan or trailer I need a different car to my Kona. I have considered a few including this Toyota but will be settling for an ID4 Life Pro RWD with the 77kw battery, 286bhp, (210kw), motor. I'm really looking forward to it, I was thinking of going back to an ICE car but because I charge at home and because of the crazy cost of diesel and petrol in the UK, electric is so much cheaper to run. Keep the great videos coming, I really enjoy them as well as our own home grown channels.
Just ordered my fully loaded ID.4 a couple of days ago. I considered bZ4X, but the "futuristic" design simply doesn't vibe with me, and what killed the car for me was the massive, yet utterly unnecessary central tunnel, that impedes on my right knee space. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't find a comfortable position, where my right knee wouldn't dig into the bloody tunnel. Same thing happened with the Enyaq, which was on top of my list, as I think that's the only EV on the market, that looks better than the ID.4. This is utterly stupid, as it is a relic from ICE cars with large transmission. I was looking forward to Toyota EV, as I own a Toyota currently and am very happy with what reliable and durable, and no maintenance cars those are, But I won't buy a car in which I can't sit comfortably for a longer travel.
Honest question. When riding by yourself, why do people want to roll the back windows down? I just don't see why the ID.4 windows get so much attention. Yes, it's weird. But I always see reviewers, being the only ones in the car, being like "I don't like this because it's harder." But WHY do you need to? I own a 2023 ID.4 and it's not a big deal at all. When I ride by myself I roll my window down and maybe the passenger side for circulation (buttons for both) and never the back. When kids are in the car they roll their own down. Maybe a dog owner or parents of an infant where you would constantly use it. Nobody else has a good reason 😂.
@@irenecheca6575 - Not everyone's kid is an infant (or a dog) that relies on someone else to control the window for them, LOL! I'm a parent and my kids roll down their own windows and when I need to it doesn't make my life any harder to push the Rear "button" before rolling theirs up or down. My critique is really pointed just at the reviewers. It's like one reviewer noted it was "different" and they didn't like it, then the other reviewer's saw that video, and (since most don't give long-term reviews) they just jumped on the whiner-bandwagon without giving even a practical example. I get it that it could be annoying for some but I think that's a small majority. The reviewers are hyping it up like it's the majority that hate it. Honestly it's awesome that I can hold down the Rear "button" for a few seconds and then roll ALL windows up or down at the exact same time with one touch!
Kyle can you please put some pressure on Toyota/Subaru USA and Canada regarding the software update for it that the rest of the world started getting. No word in North America yet 🤷🏻♂️
Kyle waisted time on this but got toyota haters riled up. Bjorn he should with the update it charges a lot better. Not ionic speed but better. The fwd is better and not the awd fully loaded in low 40’s
I really like the BZ4x, but haven’t driven one yet. It had less range and didn’t qualify for the $7500 tax credit, which on a lease is key. But whoever came up with the naming convention of this should be fired.
Toyota didn’t want to build this car, confirmed by poor charging, short range, and mediocre styling. Lack of $7500 rebate puts this EV at bottom of list for US buyers.
143 kW is what Bjorn got with the software update. 209 miles is the range from ID.4 built in Chattanooga. As for styling, everyone else is saying the opposite od mediocre.
With McKayla "driving" with one hand at the bottom of the wheel, how can you control a vehicle properly doing that? I hope this isn't typical of drivers of her age.
@@normt430 23 models already have 3.1 and so does my 22. I'm not talking about the update TO 3.1. I'm talking about the 3.1 to whatever version OTA update.
Its hilarious to see everyone crapping on the bZ4x on here but then saying how many issues they have had with their vehicle. Toyota didn't rise up to the #1 spot at one point because they were the flashiest or had the "premium" feel car. The main reason was reliability. Charging your battery fast in the winter is very bad for a cold battery. Toyota even stated why the reason they had to limit the speed was for the battery health in the long run. Toyota is being Toyota, playing it safe. However, this is their first since the Rav4 EV and they are playing it a little too safe.
Her interpretation of it feels like a regular SUV is that is cheap and not special enough where the ID.4 is nicer than this the Audi is nicer than the Lexus, plain and simple. Bottom line is they don't want to sell many so it offers nothing over everyone when all new BEV's are going upscale as it is a open slate where Polestar will will compete with Porsche.
@@normt430 but that's not how Toyota operates. If you want luxury feel, you buy their Lexus models. Hop into their Lexus line and you will feel a little more premium. Tesla may have all the bells and whistles but their consumer report has been terrible. Door handle failing after the warranty period that cost over a grand per handle to replace. Reliability is more important than fancy feel for Toyota buyers.
@@teepan2388 Everyone agrees Toyota is over priced and out done by everyone else at +$50K. They don't even compete and will only sit well with current Toyota owners.
@@normt430 isn't that the case for most of their vehicles? The Sienna was outdated for many years compared to the competition. It wasn't until recently that they did a whole new version which still lags behind in "stuff" compared to the Pacifica or Carnival. Toyota has always been criticized for not having "stuff". Again Toyota buyers are buying based on reliability not "stuff". Toyota is no longer the affordable and reliable car manufacturer since the chip shortage started. They are pretty expensive now. It seems like their vehicles are 10k more than 3 years ago for each model. A lot of their SUVs, Trucks, and Vans are 40k and 50k now. Unfortunately, it's the current market.
The shifter is one thing that I really do not like. Clearly, it's not intuitive. ID4 is the clearly better EV, with far better range and fast charging.
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Here in Germany, there are often problems with the distance sensors on the ID.4s when a frame that is too wide (with advertising from the dealership) is installed on the front license plate as a base. This then protrudes into the sensors and confuses the system. Unfortunately, most dealerships are unaware of the problem and are looking for hardware and software issues. Also, if different license plate formats are used in the US, this could be the reason for the sensor problems.
Nice to see McKayla again. I'd much prefer the "floating" binnacle in her ID.4.
Glad she’s doing well after the cannonball!
She the cutest girl on TH-cam.
I really enjoy non-car people's opinions, it's refreshing. Keep them coming!!!
Every new car review I'm getting even more convinced that my ID.4 was a great deal. I love the interior and the "EV" side of things.
So many cool things happening in this video. Kyle is much more gentle than I have seen him before. McKayla is really highly in tune with the electric car world than I would have thought and she really can communicate what she feels about this car. On the negative side, she has knocked out the ID4 and also this Toyota for me. She is so believable in her experiences and interpretations of the cars functions, feels, and experience. I really liked this video a lot and thank you for all the opinions 👍👍👍
Just listen to the quality door closing at 3:08 and compare to 9:06 and again at 9:26, for German vs Japan reference.
Just as another data point, I have the identical model to the ID.4 in this video, and have had zero issues with it. Love the car.
ID.4 all day over the bZ4X. Better in practically every way and has the tax credit. Have had zero issues with our 23 Pro S, zero sensor issues, zero issues at all in general, love the car. McKayla is a nice addition to the channel, would like to see her more!
It’s not just the tax credit. For us people who have worked 35 years and don’t make enough for the full 7500 vw is giving 7500 on your lease and toyota isn’t.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Local dealers giving a 2-4k dealer discount AND a 8,500 lease rebate.
In the Netherlands the bz4x and id4 were tested recently by carmagazine. The bz4x won...better build, better charging, better warranty, much more comfortable and same range, 450km. Bz4x also more affordable.... . The sister model Solterra was tested against Audi q4 etron. The Solterra was the far better car. Good range considering the far smaller battery pack, far more efficient ev motors, far better warranty, more comfortable, better charging etc etc etc.
It's weird, but the BZ is growing on me... I think the ID.4 looks better on camera, but in person, I think I prefer the BZ - it actually looks kind of special in person whereas the ID.4 looks a bit cheap. And, the ID.4 has the rising belt line, which I think is a look that's played out. I'm not sure I'd be happy with the ID.4 as a road tripper, so comparing both as commuters the charging and range differences might not matter. And, I think the BZ might look better as it ages.
I love ID.4 tech when it stops at traffic light on autopilot, but for family car BZ4x space for rear passengers and unique wheel+dash placement for my short arms and long legs is perfect, so these 2 thing is win win for me way ahead. And design in my taste Bz4x looks way better than ID.4. So Bz4x comfort wins against practicality and tech of id4.
Describing the id.4 interior as "A bit more premium" is exactly right. That driving seat area looks UGLY. Genuinely would not buy it because of that area. The interior doesn't seem to match itself at all(in my opinion) where the id.4 tried a full theme. Am a big fan of putting the instrument cluster on the steering like the id.4 so when it is adjusted it is in the same position for anyone who drives it.
Having the instrument cluster closer to the wind screen is very comfortable once the seating and steering is adjusted to your liking on the BZ4X. But when I test drove ID.4 and ID.5 I didn’t think about adjusting anything. VW nailed it with a lot of the ergonometric stuff.
I like that you have a normal EV person give a review. You can tell McKayla is trying to be polite in her opinion of the BZ4X. To be honest she only drove it a short time compared to how long she had her ID4. I wonder if her opinion would change if she had it for a week or so.
2023 ID.4 owner here, same exact car as McKayla same color and trim, 12k miles with no problems whatsoever. The Toyota BZ4X is inferior to the ID.4 IMO in every way. I also leased the 2021 ID.4 as well as the 2022 and loved both of them.
Bro do u have bz4x it's good this car will drive 100 or 200 thousand without any problem ??? Because I'm planning to buy electric vehicle pls help
The bz4x is a sub par ev it has bad range, bad charging, and even worse efficiency there are a ton more cars that are just as reliable that are EVs that you can get for the same price or cheaper@@yaqoobabdulrahim383
Actually a great change up from always watching Kyle, appreciate you letting her give a perspective between the two cars! BTW, I think the smoke from Canada is also leaving a residue on the cars outside. I washed mine outside, let it dry, then pulled it back in the garage, and there is a very fine mist of particles on it, assume from the smoke! geez, Where is Coleton when I need him? LOL -- (we are in Broomfield)
Twenty bucks for McKayla! Buy her a Starbucks Gift card or something. Seriously, her reviews are great for those of us who want a transportation appliance. I also don't say "Throttle Mapping" in normal conversation :)
Kyle will probably keep the money for himself.
@@randy2558 He can’t because she knows about it. He is an honorable dude, correct?
@@johnpoldo8817 Wellllll.....
What not even a like for the $20 thanks? 😂
We have the same exact ID4 Pro S, no issues with sensors at almost 5k miles. We do have the door handles recall. Some random bugs but nothing major. I’ve had way more issues with our Model 3! Lol. I just wish VW would improve their app! That bZ4XYZ whatever is an eyesore, ugh! Love your videos, keep them coming!
Just a note that on Toyota site they say if you are charging level 1 or 2 there is no issue charging to 100.
Would love to see your full review. Nice to hear from McKayla. As for the car we just purchased a couple for work. While I won't be road tripping in the work vehicle, I did hear that there are some additional DC fast charging limits. For example I have heard that Toyota limits charging to 2XFull Charge limit per day and anything after that would be reduced to Level 2 charge speeds. That would be horrible for long road trips. Please test this out.
We have a bz4x and can confirm that it has this DCFC limit. I learned it the hard way when I had to take the car from Maine to Baltimore and it tool me 23 hours. We're currently trying to lemon law the bz4x because we were never told about this limit and we occasionally need to take it on road trips and we just can't with it.
There’s supposed to be an update coming.
I had my Solterra (essentially the same as the B4z) upgraded in June. Now, the percentage charge is displayed on the console, the decreased range associated with the AC has been adjusted to a more realistic value, DC charging on road trips is now 3.86 (a significant improvement over the former 2 times) and the range improved by releasing some range reserved in the buffer. An advantage compared with the ID 4 is the heat pump in the Solterra. Unfortunately, like the ID 4 preconditioning is lacking. I understand that this will remedied in later versions. I have driven the Solterra on two road trips. Went great (including DC charging). All in all we are satisfied with the Solterra. We find that the full charge delivers ca 420 km of range. Not so impressive but nevertheless not a problem on road trips since the number of charges is now ca 4 time in a 24 hour period. I notte that Kyle does not like the material covering the dashboard. This of course is a matter of taste; I like it mainly because it breaks up the plastic parts of the interior. Will need to vacuum it though.
I'd probably stick with our ID4. The cabin is comfortable, minimalistic and spacious. Software needs work, but comfort gives it the edge.
What surprised me, after recently sitting in a Model Y, was just how spacious the ID4 cabin felt. The Y gave me an impression of being in a smaller vehicle, although physical dimensions favor the Y, I had to jump into the Model X, sitting across the room, to regain that comfort level of the ID4. I'd argue perceived *interior* size of the ID4 sits between the Y and X.
in-laws have a Y, we have an ID4, the main use with the Y and it fleeing claustrophobic is the low roof line, it's in proportion to the hood, but it's very low hood. that and the back hatch slopes down so quickly on the Y, it really hurts the usability of the cargo area.
USA does not give incentive because its built in Japan, here in canada we get incentive. And don’t make a mistake, Toyota don’t fix things that have not broken, they use charger because they have many Hybrids and Prime using charger with very good results. My experience with Toyota is they build a very good car, and my Prime Rav4 and BZ is just fantastic, I had an ID4 on order until my BZ arrived and lucky for me, I did not have to deal with the battery issue VW had/has. Love my BZ, and have Rav4 Prime for long distance, what a great car this is.
Love this as a series of just having a regular driver figure out how to drive a new vehicle.
Nice exchange of thoughts on the car, nice team work giving us a different view.
Thank you for this review. i was shopping for an EV last year to replace my aging Malibu hybrid. Owning three Toyota cars (1993 and 1999 Lexus SC400 and 2004 Toyota Camry), I so wanted to go Toyota. But the Lexus RZ and Toyota BZ4X were not available in November. I tested several id.4 cars and almost got one, but selected a Mach-e instead. I have since heard many stories about the id.4 update issues. 13,000 miles later, I'm still very happy with my selection.
I love my Audi Q4 E-Tron. 22,000 miles and so far, no issues.
There are some other issues with the bz4x suspension system too, which are not immediately apparent. If you run into a curb, this thing is gonna get messed up badly. I once run my bz4x by a fairly low curb, driving 27 mph, and that knocked the steering column off center. They had to re-alight three wheels, for only one of them touching the curb. I mean seriously! The charging issue is a real problem. It pulls much lower power than any car I happen to park next, and it limits the charging to two times a day, which ruined my first long trip, and made me hate this freaking car.
We have same car and don’t have the left sensor issue. But have other sensor issues, rain, back hatch foot, moving pages on screen. Overall wonderful car.
Michaela sounds as though she's being polite about the Toyota, but it's great to hear the viewpoint of a Toyota lover who is an 'ordinary' car driver. Thanks to you both. 🙂👍
I'd prefer the Bz4x to the ID.4. There are too many annoyences with the hvac and infotainment on the ID.4. Both have about the same range and neither is a charging monster like kia/Hyundai.
The only benefit of the Toyota is better quality and reliability. As a ID.4 owner, getting service done in the US has been inconvenient. Still waiting for a part and software update. Never has issues with my previously owned Toyota’s.
Is it weird that I waved to Alyssa when she smiled at the camera?
Probably, but tis the truth.
Hi! I actually received my ID.4 on Friday. Pro S AWD. Vehicle came as a lemon. Vehicle charge port was defective. I’m actually canceling my order and not accepting the car and returning for full refund. For a company as big as VW, where was the quality control. I ordered the car 4Q 2021 it’s been exactly 18 months for me to receive the delivery. And it took 1 day for my to lose faith in the car.
I call B.S.!
@@normt430what will it cost to replace the battery in 10 years? It's going to cost $15k for the Toyota
@@z1az285 the decade old Chevy Volt batteries are as low as $3k!
I have the 2023 Subaru SOLTERRA Touring. I got the $7,500 credit. No Ev car is perfect. I love my SOLTERRA
You missed two major differences between these two cars: ID4 has a very hard ride, with a stiff suspension that gives a sporty feeling, while Toyota is the opposite, it has a soft suspension that provides comfort. This was evident in two moments in this video: when she braked while backing down because she was not used to the Toyota's movement, and when she commented on how sensitive the ID4's accelerator pedal is. I'm surprised you did not mention this because these two things were what I personally disliked about the VW ID4 when I tried it. Not to mention that ID3 and ID4 were the only cars that made my kid throw up twice, because they did not offer a smooth and comfortable ride. Also, ID4 software is really buggy, it improved with some updates, but Toyota does not have such issues.
Thank you for this form of review - a non professional but really dependent on her EV every day great!
Michaela should go for the Model Y standard model with 279 miles of range and $48K before the full $7.5K tax incentive. Better deal assuming you don't have an anti-Tesla bias.
Tesla is going down in hostory like the '57 Chevy!
At the beginning of 2018 Navigator production. I discovered that if you backed it up close to a wall and exited the vehicle with the key, the rear hatch would open. I believe it was some bad software that thought you were kicking your leg under the hatch to open it. First time it happened I ran to the back fast enough to stop the hatch with my hand, I thought I must have hit the button in my pocket. Then it happened again while I was holding the key. So I started trying to replicate the problem and it happened everytime you'd exit with the key while backed close to an object. They opened up a ticket with Ford support in service then the problem disappeared a few weeks later with new software.
The good news is that Teslas have never had any bugs, and have never needed any repairs. Three years of trouble-free iD4 ownership, and it's a great vehicle.
They made the dash binnacle to fit a yoke, then didn't offer the yoke with introduction because it's horrible, right?
I really like your video! It's a very honest review from an actual car user. Love it. Thank you sir!
I understand the BZ4X does not allow you to have a hitch mounted bike rack that exceeds 100 pounds. Deal breaker for us as a Thule hitch mount and 2 mountain bikes are going to exceed that. The ID4 comes equipped with a standard receiver hitch that the dealer can easily change to a 2” receiver
We have a model s and just picked up a bz last week. We have been really enjoying the bz, great for getting into our cabin (4x4 road) husband uses it for a work vehicle (level 2 charging). Doesn’t have great range or charging, but hoping the update coming will take some of those concerns away. We also live in canada so it qualified for rebates. Id’s seem to be harder to get here right now.
Lol don’t justify your waste of money to us, as long as you’re happy in your slop
@@rosmarin2438 I seen your hate towards Toyota on the live forum. Your just a troll with nothing better to do…
Cracks me up to hear all the hate on the window switches of the ID.4. How often do you have to lower the back windows from the front? I guess if you had a dog that you want to constantly be opening the back windows for, it might be an issue.
You want to know a big issue with the pro S? Mirror position memory. Unless you buy the pro S plus (and it came withe power folding mirrors), you can heat your seat, you can save seat positions, massage your back, but if you have more than one driver, sorry, spend another minute repositioning the mirrors before you start driving.
Love your stuff. Would great to see a Solterra review, especially after the recent software updates, etc.
Toyota is definitely improving... you went the entire video without any wheels falling off!
It seems that the range for the BZ4X is much shorter than the ID.4. That being said, as an owner of the ID.4, it's a bit frustrating now especially for their current recalls. Those who got the software update along with the 12v battery replacement got lucky as they haven't done it to all of the 2021s. Because right now, all of the 12V battery are on national backorder! And to learn that there's two different 12V batteries for the ID.4. So that means I cannot do the other two battery recalls because of this holdup. There's also a rear door seal recall that is with the vehicle along with Door handle recall that there's still no resolution for it. I do like the car, but I thought the experienced automakers should've done this better than Tesla.
The battery backorder is because of a union strike at Clarios in Ohio.
@@normt430 for the interstate batteries?
@@yiyangcheng yes, 12-volt batteries.
So what are you saying about the 209-mile range model of ID.4?
@@john1701a We got the bigger battery of the 2021 ID.4. I think the 2023 is a bit better from what I heard. It's just the 2021 is still working out big bugs
Solid take. I love my Hybrid RAV4, but the BZ4 feels like a half baked approach to EVs compared to the ID4.
It seems like it's really only going to be purchased by Toyota Super Loyalist....there are so many better options now. I like the way it looks but it just isn't as good as what else is out there.
It is selling well in ohio. Watch Tesla Bjorn his car had the update for may and the fwd has better charging. Kyle gets the top trim cars and forgets about the base fwd with a different battery than the awd . He reviewed this before. If he doesn’t get a fwd with the front wheel drive no new news just a bash fest by mostly tesla fans that will turn their nose up at any thing. It is almost like people that believe everything elon says. Kyle gets people to believe everything he says but not me. I see thru the bull. Bjorn even with being a Tesla fan he is funny and he gets cars that others don’t going back to 2013. Average ev is a kyle deciple he quotes him and gets as hateful about charging companies when he doesn’t help with constant negativity. Ea does cart wheels to rip out Colorado chargers when Kyle complains . Newscolumb, Alex on autos are unbiased channels that don’t bash as much and they give info without constant complaints
She was very nice to the BZ4...the interior is so ugly and plastic looking yuck. My only reason for buying ID4 WAS the free EA charging for 3 years, and I think most people would feel the same. This car is DOA but toyota sheep will still buy it and brag that it lasts for 500,000 miles
Yes, most people buy Toyota for their reliability. Toyota has never been the flashiest vehicle in the road or has the best technology. They were at the #1 spot for that main reason.... reliability. Toyota already stated that the slower charging speed was due to maintaining battery health. Charging fast when the battery is cold is very bad for the battery....but what does that matter to people who buy new cars every few years. However, if people are to keep this car for 10 years or more, that extra charging time will be acceptable if they know they won't have to replace their batteries in 10 years.
The Toyota door closing sound at 9:06 and 9:26 is one of the reasons my Toyota loving inlaws skipped on a used RAV4, after I pointed it out.
Kyle. I have 3. 2023. ID-4. Pro S 2. 1. Pro S +. Only Pro S +. Has the 360 Camera
if you have ventilated seats, do not have anyone in the car with you if you pass gas, that shhh will last for a good minute... dont eat boil eggs in the morning
It's the Toyota version of fart mode.
Great to hear her point of view
It's a big difference going from a Toyota to a German car. The materials are more solid, and closing a door feels less flimsy. I do question some engineering aspects of the Germans, and with EV's now their software. Overall a pleasant video to watch!
Door closing at 3:08 vs 9:06 will tell you all you need to know.
Ignore company nationality. It's heavily based on the combination of model / price range and manufacturing location origin. That is literally what dictates quality.
@@Neojhun then "Toyota Tax" yields junk today.
Oh it’s nice to see her!! And she said Chattanooga correctly. Kyle not so much lol
I am very appreciative of this video, and her perspective. I just strongly prefer the Toyota/Lexus offering and range anxiety is not my thing.
Like the non-car people feedback.
I don't think the BZ4X looks as bad as I thought it did in the early press stuff, but it has been brutally beaten up to the point it is a hard sell now.
While I like having a display in front of the driver, this layout just looks "wrong". Maybe it is different sitting behind the wheel, but it looks wrong.
Slow charging, cheaper build quality, small battery and range. No tax break.
Well the tax break thing can be compensated with a dealer who is willing to wheel and deal. I would much rather get a discount off the price than to mess around with the tax refund.
I am hearing some of the Hyundai/Kia dealers are getting aggressive with the prices below MSRP to sell cars since they don't get the tax breaks. Frankly I would prefer better prices to the tax breaks.
71 kwh is not a small battery. The 63 kwh is
@@markfitzpatrick6692 When the manufacturer chooses "dumb range" they typically jam more battery. This car isn't very efficient so I would have expected them to jam more battery in there. But your point is right These aren't small batteries.
I love my BZ. charging is not great. But I charge it every night. No issues
I have 38788 miles in 7 months. Use ea in Tracy, CA. Not many stations in community.
Just cant beat that 10 year/200.000km warranty from Toyota.
bZ4X comes with 1 year free EVgo, which does support Autocharge+
Nice post John I was taking to my video when Kyle got it wrong. I remember you from the original Prius . I had a 2006 and have the 2012 plugin advanced.
Is there any updates on when the honda prologue will be out?
After GM debuts the Equinox EV this fall. So maybe this time year Kyle will have his hands on those.
GET-666 Texas plate on a BZ4X. A true mark of the beast.
The land of pickup trucks with empty beds and factories that spontaneously explode because of no enforced regulations.
Wow. I’ve been seeing them once or twice a day in SoCal and they look so nice! But it always brings me back to ur charging review 😂.
With the software update for that rolling out in Europe now, we should be seeing it here in the US relatively soon too.
Its pretty crazy how insane people get over Tesla's build quality but VW an 100 year old car company that supposedly knows what they are doing gets a pass. Pretty wild.
At the least the ID.4 has very good fit and finish. Tesla is just a mess of misaligned panels!
@@normt430 nonsense lol. They have the same fit and finish. And what a low IQ thing to say after they just admitted they had to lemon law one of their ID.4’s
Seems like at this price point I'd much rather have the rav4 prime if I wanted a toyota. That said, like a lot of these cars, they're basically unobtainium if you dont want to wait a year or spend way over sticker.
Can you tell, what side sensors you are referring to? Where those sensors are?
“Over-the-air” what does it mean ? how does it work ? do you mean you connect the car to your wireless WiFi at home and it gets the update from Internet ? or does the car comes with a sim card connected to cellphone network and only connects to VW servers ?
it means internet connection be it wifi at home or however you get your wifi. Some car updates require you to bring the car to a dealership . In this case you only need wifi ( and can use your own internet at home ) hence over the air.
Neither car has battery preconditioning? Did I hear that correctly?
Great work!
take it in to see if the steering wheel has failed
Great video as always, my first time commenting although I have watched loads of your content. Quite different to the UK, I currently have a Kona Electric 64kw. Here in the UK we can get cars on a scheme called Motability that is an organisation that supplies cars to disabled folk on a three year lease, all paid through a Government welfare benefit called Disability Living Allowance all costs on the vehicle are covered under the scheme your only outlay is that you have to put fuel, (petrol, diesel or electric), in the car. I'm coming to the end of my lease this year and because I need a car that can tow a small caravan or trailer I need a different car to my Kona. I have considered a few including this Toyota but will be settling for an ID4 Life Pro RWD with the 77kw battery, 286bhp, (210kw), motor. I'm really looking forward to it, I was thinking of going back to an ICE car but because I charge at home and because of the crazy cost of diesel and petrol in the UK, electric is so much cheaper to run. Keep the great videos coming, I really enjoy them as well as our own home grown channels.
14:20 Are radiant heating and resistive heating the same thing, or did Kyle just misspeak?
ID4 brought 4 buttons to 3 with those window buttons. Great job
looking at the front interior of the buzz forks... I could never
Changing gears like grandma with the TV remote.
Please review Jaguar I-PACE!
Still probably one of the luxurious BEVs today date!
Couldn’t agree more! And it’s completely forgotten in the wave of new EVs that are better road trippers but worse daily drivers than the Jag
Just ordered my fully loaded ID.4 a couple of days ago. I considered bZ4X, but the "futuristic" design simply doesn't vibe with me, and what killed the car for me was the massive, yet utterly unnecessary central tunnel, that impedes on my right knee space. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't find a comfortable position, where my right knee wouldn't dig into the bloody tunnel. Same thing happened with the Enyaq, which was on top of my list, as I think that's the only EV on the market, that looks better than the ID.4.
This is utterly stupid, as it is a relic from ICE cars with large transmission.
I was looking forward to Toyota EV, as I own a Toyota currently and am very happy with what reliable and durable, and no maintenance cars those are, But I won't buy a car in which I can't sit comfortably for a longer travel.
Did I really hear her ID.4 could charge at 174kW? Our yet-to-be-delivered ‘23 Q4 e-tron will be capable of only 150kW!! Why the difference?
12 hour shifts should be illegal (unless it’s a job where you’re mostly on standby)
Are all three of them siblings?
Honest question. When riding by yourself, why do people want to roll the back windows down? I just don't see why the ID.4 windows get so much attention. Yes, it's weird. But I always see reviewers, being the only ones in the car, being like "I don't like this because it's harder." But WHY do you need to?
I own a 2023 ID.4 and it's not a big deal at all. When I ride by myself I roll my window down and maybe the passenger side for circulation (buttons for both) and never the back. When kids are in the car they roll their own down.
Maybe a dog owner or parents of an infant where you would constantly use it. Nobody else has a good reason 😂.
Dog owner and parents, isn't that most of half the potential owners ?
@@irenecheca6575 - Not everyone's kid is an infant (or a dog) that relies on someone else to control the window for them, LOL! I'm a parent and my kids roll down their own windows and when I need to it doesn't make my life any harder to push the Rear "button" before rolling theirs up or down.
My critique is really pointed just at the reviewers. It's like one reviewer noted it was "different" and they didn't like it, then the other reviewer's saw that video, and (since most don't give long-term reviews) they just jumped on the whiner-bandwagon without giving even a practical example. I get it that it could be annoying for some but I think that's a small majority. The reviewers are hyping it up like it's the majority that hate it. Honestly it's awesome that I can hold down the Rear "button" for a few seconds and then roll ALL windows up or down at the exact same time with one touch!
my 23 awd pro s also has the sensor issues
The dash board is aweful. The id4 has a much better look. Thanks for review!
Those two cars will never steal away a Tesla owner. May I just keep my M3LR/FSD please?
Kyle can you please put some pressure on Toyota/Subaru USA and Canada regarding the software update for it that the rest of the world started getting. No word in North America yet 🤷🏻♂️
Kyle waisted time on this but got toyota haters riled up. Bjorn he should with the update it charges a lot better. Not ionic speed but better. The fwd is better and not the awd fully loaded in low 40’s
I really like the BZ4x, but haven’t driven one yet. It had less range and didn’t qualify for the $7500 tax credit, which on a lease is key.
But whoever came up with the naming convention of this should be fired.
Glad I went with the EV6
Was the plate really "Get 666"? 😄
Yeah i saw too lol...
Alyssa back there lurking the whole time!
Was that Alyssa? She should have said something! Haven't seen her much.???
@@treborheminway3814 her voice said ripping it!
get that car a lemon! easy done, brand new car
VW all the dude !
Toyota didn’t want to build this car, confirmed by poor charging, short range, and mediocre styling. Lack of $7500 rebate puts this EV at bottom of list for US buyers.
143 kW is what Bjorn got with the software update. 209 miles is the range from ID.4 built in Chattanooga. As for styling, everyone else is saying the opposite od mediocre.
With McKayla "driving" with one hand at the bottom of the wheel, how can you control a vehicle properly doing that? I hope this isn't typical of drivers of her age.
Cheers guys
Nice sweatshirt, McKayla! Go Irish!
I wanna know more about the OTA. June is coming up quickly. @3:39
The 2021 and 2022 3.1 update has already started.
@@normt430 23 models already have 3.1 and so does my 22. I'm not talking about the update TO 3.1. I'm talking about the 3.1 to whatever version OTA update.
Upside Toyota dealers adding charge point chargers at their dealers.
10 months later you can buy this vehicle gently used with low miles for less than 27K. that price its a much better value.
Its hilarious to see everyone crapping on the bZ4x on here but then saying how many issues they have had with their vehicle. Toyota didn't rise up to the #1 spot at one point because they were the flashiest or had the "premium" feel car. The main reason was reliability. Charging your battery fast in the winter is very bad for a cold battery. Toyota even stated why the reason they had to limit the speed was for the battery health in the long run. Toyota is being Toyota, playing it safe. However, this is their first since the Rav4 EV and they are playing it a little too safe.
Her interpretation of it feels like a regular SUV is that is cheap and not special enough where the ID.4 is nicer than this the Audi is nicer than the Lexus, plain and simple.
Bottom line is they don't want to sell many so it offers nothing over everyone when all new BEV's are going upscale as it is a open slate where Polestar will will compete with Porsche.
@@normt430 but that's not how Toyota operates. If you want luxury feel, you buy their Lexus models. Hop into their Lexus line and you will feel a little more premium. Tesla may have all the bells and whistles but their consumer report has been terrible. Door handle failing after the warranty period that cost over a grand per handle to replace. Reliability is more important than fancy feel for Toyota buyers.
@@teepan2388 Everyone agrees Toyota is over priced and out done by everyone else at +$50K. They don't even compete and will only sit well with current Toyota owners.
@@normt430 isn't that the case for most of their vehicles? The Sienna was outdated for many years compared to the competition. It wasn't until recently that they did a whole new version which still lags behind in "stuff" compared to the Pacifica or Carnival. Toyota has always been criticized for not having "stuff". Again Toyota buyers are buying based on reliability not "stuff". Toyota is no longer the affordable and reliable car manufacturer since the chip shortage started. They are pretty expensive now. It seems like their vehicles are 10k more than 3 years ago for each model. A lot of their SUVs, Trucks, and Vans are 40k and 50k now. Unfortunately, it's the current market.
@@teepan2388 nice post
The shifter is one thing that I really do not like. Clearly, it's not intuitive. ID4 is the clearly better EV, with far better range and fast charging.
Glad to see a non automotive review I think toyota will improve the bz4x
So Nice and sweet❤️
Did she ever review any Tesla?