Small Battery Volkswagen ID.4 Highway Range Test! Running the 62kWh RWD At 70-MPH
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- Kyle performs another typical highway range test this time in the Volkswagen ID.4 62kWh RWD with 20" wheels and the smaller 62kWh gross SK battery pack
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In the end, that 0% timing at the charger was amazing! Like the nerd version of sliding sideways into a parking spot 🤣
Great test and an impressive car for the money (after incentives)
I would have liked to see the car scanner display what the real SoC at 0% was.
Mad skills, Kyle!!! I do not have the nerve to let mine go that low - so I live vicariously through you. Thanks for the range test ❤
I drive Lyft with my Model Y in a wine region. I tell riders ALL the time that Range is ONLY important on road trips. I also tell them that MOST people overestimate their Daily driving needs. If you have more than one vehicle, you can already substitute an EV for one of those vehicles. I even had a DoorDash driver in the car and told him he could get a small range EV, a Leaf or 500e, and drive all day, never having to lose money on gasoline.
Nice timing with the battery range ending! Respect😊
Nail biting ending! Really helpful review I am considering a purchase. Thank you!
Pretty solid result for the small battery!
It's a real peoples car in the EV area for now. It's very nice to drive - the software is now much better, especially version 4 is all what you need. I mean over here in Europe we have a functional CCS network, less in the US. Here you see so many ID4´s around that it's too much already (Peoples car).
I love my ID.4 great video as always.
Here in the Northeast and many other parts of the country many of us spend more time on 55-mph 2-lane roads with lots of turns and rolling hills. How about some analysis or comparison of range in these conditions? Your tests and analyses are great, but I rarely drive in your high speed environment. I guess maybe Tom M. is in a better place to do this!
That colorado tax credit in addition to the federal is nuts. Would make that base model cheaper than a base model CR-V lol
Kyle, never at a loss for words or miles in the saddle.
Impressive performance!
Quick clarification: ID.4 Standard $38,995, small battery, cloth seats, hard roof, etc. ID.4 S (the one you're testing) $45,290, small battery, leatherette seats, glass roof, etc. Thanks for the range test Kyle and Alyssa!
2k more gets you an awd 4680 equipped 50+more miles of range and much better at everything tesla model y. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 The Y is not better at everything lol… the ID4 is much more comfortable and better built.. the base model is also more than $8k less than the very base Model Y.
@@4literv6 Exactly. I wanted the ID.4, but they are over priced. Ended up with a BOLT EUV for 12K less compared to 82kwh ID.4
@@4literv6 Model Y rides like shit and loud as heck. There is more to a car than just a big range number & 0-60 times.
@@nothere572 this spec id.4 as tested is without awd, very slow charging for a 2023 ev and shorter range by 50+miles yet is only 2k cheaper.
Try to keep up will ya. 47k for an awd superior in every way model y with 270 miles of range, just 15mins for 150miles back charging.
No wonder it's the most popular ev ever made and the world's first ever best selling ev. 😎👍🏻
great video, can't wait for the Model Y 4680 Range Test.
Nice Test again.
I thought You did a range test for ID4 Pro with the large battery. So I search and you did one for insideEV a year ago.
That was Tom I think
@@marcusrose5943 No it was Kyle and Jordan. It is possible Tom did one as well.
Your quick answer is: 192 miles/ 3.4 KWh per mile 20:25
It’s 3.4 miles per kWh.
Sorry a bit off topic, on a recent road trip with my Model 3, I stopped in Co Springs SC at a downtown parking garage. It is a paid parking lot with monthly and take a ticket options. Unfortunately, the ticket dispenser wasn't working. I tried the help number but they couldn't help. So three Teslas had to back out. I headed north to a SC (denver, I think) that was 11 miles away which was backtracking. Fortunately I had enough juice to get there. Co Springs is a bad location in my view in many ways.
The software version 3.1 increases the LG battery to 173kw below 20%. I have it on my 2022 car and many times I have gotten 173kw rate. But the best part is the curve is very good for road trips.
I have the 2021 with the 3.1 software and haven't experienced anywhere near that charging rate.
I have a 2022 Pro S with the LG battery and 3.1. I have charged as high as 181 kW!
And my max has been 129 kW
@@bradleyanderson4315 the only way to get more than 135kw, is to use a 350kw stall. For some reason the EA 150 will top off for the ID.4 at 135kw.
damn those headlights are great
This is my favourite TH-cam channel right now.
Yeah he keeps churning out videos.
It’s amazing to watch Kyle really progress
Fr fr. Binge watch this guy lmaoo
Why?
192 miles? Very respectable. People complain that's too low, but highway safety guidance has said for years you're should road trip in intervals of 2 hours with 15+ minute rest stops in between. 2 hours at 80 mph is only 160 miles. So the range is absolutely fine. The real question: can you charge what you need in 15 minutes at the rest stop? That's the real bottle neck
I'm in Buffalo area, which means very cold winters. 39K for a car that will give me 125-140 miles in cold? If chargers were reliable, then it would be OK. Better get the BOLT EUV for 10K less. Base Equinox will be at 30K with 250 miles. Way over priced, but a beautiful design.
Charger isn’t magically going to be available exactly at the place where you need it. And you can’t charge the car to 100% regularly. Then discount range some more for cold weather. Discount some more for eventual battery pack degradation after 2-3 years. Once you do all of this, you will quickly realize you need the larger battery pack if you want to road trip the car (if all you want to do is commute to work, then smaller pack is just fine).
@@kodekabuki
1) that's a charging problem, not a range problem.
2) don't need to charge to 100%. I never have.
3) cold weather range drop is usually pretty exaggerated. The range killer is towing.
4) same with degradation: mostly exaggerated unless you're a Leaf owner. This very channel has a video on degradation at 100K miles in a Model 3 showing how little range has been lost.
5) if I can road trip in a Bolt on the original battery pack (which has the worst charging performance next to the AWD bz4X) the small pack ID.4 can fair just fine. Definitely not limited to commuting.
Except it only goes 60 miles on a 15 min charge so you would be stopping every hour for 15 min or every two hours for a half hour. Not saying it’s a bad car but it’s not compelling for road tripping yet. It can be done but there are much better alternatives.
@@NF-rl9xh so you agree with me, then, that the bottle neck is the recharge time? Good to see we are on the same page!
I have the small old LG battery in my ID3, with the same motor, and I have to say the difference in range and performance is quite significant. It’s odd that they don’t offer these there, even though they sell Golf’s.
They’re not offered here because they won’t sell. US wants range, range and more range plus performance. The Id series is slow.
SUV craze is going on in USA. VW discontinued golf and only sell GTI and Golf R.
@@alexnutcasio936The ID3 outaccelerates the Model Y rwd till 60 mph because of the short transition.
Not bad 3.4 mi/KW is quite decent on the freeway
Worth noting at 3:17 - it’s an “ID.4 S” not Pro S since the Pro is big battery
I think he said that previously in the beginning of vid. 00:10 it was already clear it was 62 kWh battery pack from beginning
What Car Scanner shows at "HV Battery energy content" when charged at 100%? Since this is a brand new car and with different supplier of cells compared to what we have here in Europe (LG), it would be interesting to report it.
I want to see some range tests on high mileage older EVs.
Original Model S 60
I have 133k on my 2019 Model 3 Long Range...I'd be willing to let Kyle use it for a range test.
I've seen 172kw delivered to the car on my 22 pro s w LG battery. Lots of things need to be perfect for a good charge. It loves the summer and hates the winter.
Same in my 22 pro s rwd
Hey, it has the Gen 1 Chevy Bolt interior accent lighting.
I went back to my W-2 and started a couple of other online businesses… traffic, wear n tear on my vehicle and gas prices; make delivery driver gigs pretty painful😢
My number one abb charger back working today ❤🔌
I would like to see Kyle work on making these videos more concise. This should be a 10 minute video tops. I end up having to fast forward a lot because there is so much repetition between different videos on the same car, even within the same video.
I’d like to see ID4 getting better efficiency. The small battery, RWD car should be getting at least 10% better efficiency than this. This test was basically ideal driving conditions and still only managed 3.3mi/kWh on the freeway portion. That’s not good.
I got a 2021 RWD ID4. You can use it to do a range test
I wonder if its possible for us 21/22 owners to get a retrofit with the SKON battery
Hi! New EV owner here.. been watching your very informative videos. Do you think the VW ID4 62kwh battery is capable of long driving? Thanks!
Not sure what ID4, small battery, model you were driving, at one point you said it was the entry or standard model and another you said Pro S, which does not have the small battery; the S has the small battery. Since all ID4s are now purchased from dealer inventory, it is possible to know what brand battery is in which car because it is printed on the window sticker. And if you are concerned about the number of ID4 variations available, you'll really get a headache in choosing a Nissan Ariya. By the way, I'm very happy with my ID4 Pro S that I got a couple of months ago and it is Pearl White.
On the VW website, it says they are only using 2 different suppliers for the 82kWh batteries in the rear wheel drive model.
I wonder what mikes per kWh one would get diving between 55 and 66?
Strange, usually there is a 10 mile buffer, is this different in USA?
We have a pro a plus RWD. And the backup cameras stopped working after a week. And it’s still not fixed. Been months.
have had an EV for eight months and have yet to charge it to 100%
looking forward to the '24 id.4 to replace our '17 Golf Alltrak
I just saw 169kW max speed on my last charge EA charge. My id.4 is the 2022 Pros S german made. I thought the max was 135kW.
Another example of this was your great story on the base model 3. However, when you drove it there were important safety issues left out which were a surprise. You assumed this would be handled by a new software update. Was it? That’s very important.
Range test 2023 id.4 awd !!!
Although, if the buffer doesn't protect from battery damage, why the buffer? Mixed signals there...
Battery damage gets worse the lower the state of charge gets and the longer you let the battery be in that state. Letting the car sit at indicated 0% for any longer that necessary is therefore a bad idea, but it would be even worse at true 0% (without buffer).
So the buffer keeps the battery somewhat alive if people do the most stupid thing, while the red alert tells people what they SHOULD do.
My leaf goes 80 miles 😂😂 but one thing with older leaf is that it can quickly get recharged because of smaller battery my leaf has 24kwh battery but bigger battery means longer charging, and depending on the electric vehicle if it allows more kilowatt hours to DC charge battery that’s great it means smaller wait times in dc fast charger
He specifically mentioned an H&K sound system, better motor, and new infotainment as "possibly" being new additions to the 2024, which makes me think he knows something we don't...hmmm...
I’d offer you my Pro S AWD to drive but… it’s a German made ‘21 w/ 3.1 😸. And I’m in the woods of upstate NY.
Great video. For the average person since no one is going to 0% w a family in the car (5% max) + added weight, & will prob have windy weather, I’d expect it to be more like 165 or so. Then if only charging to 90% for battery longevity maybe 155 or 160. Then in a couple years of degradation maybe 145 or 155 real world? Let’s not get started on winter 🥶 would def get a bigger battery option in most cases, and then I agree, you’re looking at the big “T” brand at that point
Was that less than $3 to 100%?
Here in the U.K. that would cost me around $45 to fill up my 58kW ID.3 to 100%
It was $3 only from 87% to 100%. ~8 kWh of battery at $0.36/kWh
DUH.
I'm all for idle fees, but only after the charge is completed. In GER there are some chargers which charge idle fees for charging more than 180min on AC! Its like stealing money in my opinion.
If you are charging for more than three hours, you are parking, NOT charging.
Hate to nit pick but 192/62 is only 3.1 mile/KW. The car stated 3.4 mile/KW. What am I missing?
He said at one point the usable capacity is 57 kwh in that one. That would be 3.368 so guessing that is how the 3.4 number was calculated.
1) Gross capacity is 62 kWh. Net capacity (theoretically usable) is around 58 kWh. Because of losses within the battery (e.g. due to relativly high currents while driving), only a little bit less is actually usable (let's say 57 kWh). And there you have it: 3.37 mi/kWh.
2) Additionally (although it's a smaller difference), the car jumped to 192 already at 19:00 and Kyle drove well over another minute with quite some speed after that. So it's maybe even closer to 193 mi
3) The car only showed the red alert after Kyle went into P. As far as I know our MEB car, this only means that you should NOT let the battery sit at 0% for longer that absolutely necessary and charge NOW. The blue "available power" bar visible at 20:25 still showed a decent amount of power left. So the battery was not completely empty, but from the information we have, we can only speculate how much energy was still in there.
Anyone think they will switch to Tesla charge port? That would be funny since their pennants for deseil gate was making EA.
Penance. I know, I was raised Catholic.
Since I don’t road trip, and I would charge at home; would you recommend base ID4, base LFP Tesla 3 or base Kia Niro EV?
Do you want a sedan or crossover?
ID4 or the Tesla
Kia Niro is an outdated relic
@@brandenflasch that’s my internal debate. I do have 3 kids but when we go on family outings we usually take the Kia minivan. I like the practicality of the hatch design, but I also like the efficiency and the ability to charge to 100% with the LFP ( I live in Florida so charging in the cold isn’t an issue). I also like the warranty of the Hyundai group products. I would probably gravitate towards the hatch design, but not by much🤷♂️
@@ebernier797 Niro needs to die just like the Bolt
Bring on modern EV’s for the modern people
If you have no particular preference for format, the M3/LFP is the winner. Cheapest, tax credit, and the SuperCharger network. (This comes from someone that had a Niro EV and sold it strictly because the CCS charging network - even for the occasional trip - is so poor.)
I really liked the Niro, and we loved the ID.4 (which was brutally expensive when we bought the Kia.)
I like my Tesla well enough. I LOVE the charging network. Even for the once monthly road trip, it's a game changer.
So, is he back at Alysia then? What happened to the other girl? She seems to have disappeared.
it's not a PRO S as mentioned at 03:15 because PRO is the bigger battery
Milano is a wonderful city. A little oddity; Go look at the train station. It was built by Benito Mussolini. Before I knew that I thought it looked like Fascist Art Deco. 😃
I have the feeling that the car is lying about how much it uses.
You're rather calm driving that far with 2, 1, 0 % of juice left.
that red badge does look a little bit scary... like a swastika??? xD
But still no ID.3 for us here in the states. Boo
You are totally mentioning Tesla in a better well deserved light. Gotta give you objective props.
As efficient as the Mach e (3.4 mi/kWh) at 70 mph. Thought the ID4 would perform better.
It is NOT CHATT- NOOGA. It is CHATT- A-NOOGA
EVs are great but i cant see the justification right now for a 40k car pre tax credits that only gets 192 miles per charge. My 28k gas car right now gets 420ish miles on a full tank
Do you drive 420 miles without stopping? If you do, you are a hazard to everyone on the road. Real world science is hard.
D mode man, D mode is more efficient.
Be careful about touting how fast the charge rate is to Full. There are engineering reasons the charge curve is tapered. Might not be apparent now, but does VW have substantial historical data indicating that keeping the charge rate that high is NOT harmful to the battery health. Maybe VW is correct, but considering the shady behavior of the company, I wouldn’t bet my battery on it.
VW have managed to make EV's great at an affordable price given the quality and thoughtfulness of their cars . Much as I find EV's soulless and therefor a precursor to a dystopian driverless car future I do admire their talent.
39K for a vehicle that will give you 160-170 miles if you respect the 80% charge rule? Get the BOLT EUV for 28K. I get 160-170 miles with my BOLT EUV in winter months. Meaning that ID.4 would get you 120 miles tops. It's OK for most owners, but not at that price.
Lol it’s not the driverless cars that are dystopian it’s a built environment that necessitates them that’s dystopian.
Small battery ARIYA engage please!
Most electric cars are quite expensive. You might consider more reviews on electric cars under $40,000 and talk more about rebates as well. Thank you!
70 mph LoL, what is the range on 90 mph?
3/4 of a Bolt. Chevy cheaper longer range and drives like an EV.
And it is discontinued?
190 miles for 100%-0% which nobody drives. For a more normal 80%-10% it's 0.7x190=130 miles. Okay for any daily driver/charger. Not useful for people who have to charge away from their apartment or for road tripping.
And if you live in Western NY state, the cold will get you at 100 miles, if you're lucky. 39K??? No thanks!!!! It's too bad, because it's a gorgeous vehicle.
@@bmw803But there is a bigger battery, this one is for soccer moms 😉
Europe even has the 52 kWh version.
Disappointed to see that you are at a Target.
These are the most stressful videos I ever watch.
Grossly overpriced by at least 25k.
How? That would make it cheaper than a bare bones Corolla
I could argue it's about 7-10k over where it should ideally be priced. But 25k? Can you share the reasoning behind that claim.
Even my little beater 2018 fiesta se in 2023 dollars assuming Ford still made them would cost me just over 24k. Without ttl fees or markups.🤔
@@4literv6 thank you for the question. Let's use the example that you did in a Ford Fiesta. If it would really cost 24k today it too would be grossly overpriced. However what would you pay for Fiesta gas model if it only went around 190 miles on a tank of gas, summertime, about half that wintertime, and took over an hour to fill it up with gas? For me that ID-4 is only worth around 12k because of short range and long charge time.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci are you not a homeowner or have an off st driveway to park it on, with working reliable electricity then?
80-85% of new car buyers in the U.S. are homeowners with six figure household incomes. And 83% of all car's sold in 2022 we're financed.
So logic says with over 2/3rds of us citizens living in a single family home. Somewhere to park an ev, with reliable electricity service to re charge it is the current reality. Until we hit at least 80% adoption anyway, which will likely occur around 2030 or sooner. 🤔
Counter point to your mis informed claim about charging time is. An ev takes mere seconds to plug in at home, work, the mall etc and you go about your business while it charges up. Our bolt charges up overnight on only emissions free electricity from wind,hydro or nuclear.
400kwhs free monthly is good enough for 1,200-1,600 free miles a month. 😎
It actually has longer range per charge in mixed or in town use driving than the fiesta. Less on the hwy though to your point by about 50 miles. Pre warming it keeps winter range to about what the fiesta loses when cold. So within 10-15% or so of the warm weather driving range.
No oil changes, no tune ups, no emissions, no engine air filters used. Brake pads look brand new and tires are good after 20k and 3 rotations.
Cost less than the fiesta to buy as well pre car buying madness and ev adoption accelerating. Plus a replaced pack to. 🤔
@@4literv6 if you want to overpay do it. I am not going to do it.
It seems like a very nice car, but why would you spend $45,000 on it when you can get a RWD Model Y for $47,000 with an EPA range of 279 miles and full access to the superb Tesla Supercharging infrastructure?
Not everyone wants a damn Tesla!!
@@joeyyung911 Let's see. 1,300,000 sales last year, and there will be nearly 2,000,000 sales this year for Tesla. And Tesla is making nearly a $10,000 profit per car. No other car company is making a profit on their EVs except BYD. Mary Berra just said GM won't be making a profit on their EVs until the end of the decade. Yikes! Seems your comment is a bit irrational....... I love my Model Y. Best car I ever had.
@777Outrigger Who gives a shit if every other asshole drives a Tesla? Yeah, let's ALL have the same looking car.
@@joeyyung911 Of course not, but for an extra 2K, you rely and a RELIABLE and "fuck around" free charging network. You plug the car and walk. ID.4 is definitely a better quality vehicle, but over priced.
@@777Outrigger You're spot on, but remember, Tesla got into this business somewhere in 2008. GM was working on the VOLT, which they did a phenomenal job. Outside Tesla, GM's bolt is probably the simplest and most trouble free vehicle. LG fucked up batteries, otherwise they barely had any major issues with it.
BMW is better
It also is more expensive.
@@thekat-dg9fx They lease better than id4 ironically
@@rosmarin2438 what lease deals are you getting on electric BMWs?
@@Necrotron 5-700/mo with base inceptions at sign
@@rosmarin2438 and the small battery ID.4 has a more expensive lease in your market?
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