The method you use for measuring "pre-travel" is not a measure of switch actuation. These are optical switches, the click is not the switch actuation. The very nature of optical switches is that they actuate much faster than mechanical switches, which need physical contact and software debouncing. Furthermore you're slowly bending the mouse button, using the switch as a lever. This is outside of what would be seen during normal use.
That mouse is perfect, There is a reason why that it's the most sold mouse in the world, Anyone shaming the mouse for being too heavy needs to get up from the chair and lift a glass of water... weak mfs
I have the G502 Hero, and I've had it for about 1 and half years and my right click (right-handed use) button doesn't work all the time. while holding the button it doesn't stay activated while ADSing (ADS=Aim down sites) on fps games. It's annoying hoping they fixed whatever it is the issue is causing this.
Got the wired version to replace my proteus spectrum.Side by side i feel exactly the same pretravel.2 days of usage im already very happy with this mouse also i beated all my high scores on aim lab with the same settings from the proteus.It feels a bit hollow but you get used to it.Old mouse is very heavy now.
I don't mind the weight when it fits my hand so well. & I would trade the thumb rest and the scroll wheel tilt for the weight almost everytime. Not to mention the infinite scroll wheel
It's 100+ plus grams it's almost unplayable 70 grams is ok like the shroud g303 it's pretty good but it's still a bit heavy for competitive gaming I main the razer v3 and the g303 shroud.
@@noahtech4797 "unplayable" lmao, I'm using an old G502 and its almost 120 gram and stil doin fine. People says 80-gram mice is heavy but still holding a phone that much heavier than these mice "without" support from the desk like mice do all the time on daily basis. Pretty funny tbh.
Is the right side (Pinky and Ring Finger) pad the same size, or is the new one wider/taller? I liked the original 502, but the right side finger pad was too small; couldn't fit both fingers on it comfortbaly
@@filipbunaltiit’s kinda different though. The charging mat works across a bunch of Logitech mice, so if you have multiple Logitech mice it’s a good investment. The Razer Qi charger is specifically just for the Basilisk, and it’s just a charging dock. The PowerPlay mat is more one of a kind
One question: the old g502 has a problem that is, when you press the mouse scroll depending of the angle you press it, you can accidentaly activate one of the lateral (left and right) whell buttons wich can lead to undesirable commands. Looking into your video and some photos, seems that the wheel of the new model is different. Can you report if this accidental presses also happen on the new model?
Btw they're also two other versions of new g502 . First one is wired and it's 89 G and the second one is Wireless without RGB which weight is 100 G. In my opinion that is very good refresh and I will definitely buy it although I will wait for them to fix pre-travel
Most time Logitech is fixing things like this in around 3 months people are also making updates about things like this on the mouse forums from time to time. Overall do your own research in one or two months and you will know
i havent heard anyone else complain about the pre travel, is it really present on every one or is his model just faulty also is pre travel on mice an actuall problem or is it something you can get used to
Pre travel is definitely a problem. How big of a problem it is, that depends on the person using the mouse. Tbh the normal g502 has negligent pre travel. Pretty sure you won't even see it at all. I am using it and it's like instant. Your initial pressure is wasted on the pre travel and also brings the point of "latency" which is negligible mostly, but in those crucial gaming moments when you see an enemy and that latency is the differentiator for you dying in a 1v1 headshot battle. If you play valo you will understand what i mean.
Great video and thank you for this video. One question though, are the optical hybrid switches swappable with your traditional switches like kaihl 8.0?
There are a few mods but a straight swap no…. In the Razer mice that use opto mech switches you can swap these between other Razer mice with these switches
@@Beardedbob thank you for answering! I plan on purchasing a g502 but optical switches are a big turn off for me. One last question, for the old g502 model that uses all mechanical micro switches, are there any silent switch options I can use to replace the side smt switch with?
@@Beardedbob It'd be really dope and I'm sure alot of people would be curious to see how and what mods could be done to replace the side switches for the g502. I appreciate you responding to my comments. Thank you
I feel like they make the mouse worse with each iteration. My Proteus Core is still clicking perfectly fine after nearly 6 years, while I hear of lots of Heros that have double click issues after less than half a year. The mouse wheel is still super heavy, despite the G900s wheel fitting in it perfectly. But I must say the skates are better and the front where the buttons end is less edgy.
I don't get the pre-travel because I click from the middle of the button, but I do from the front. I use a claw grip. The mouse is good but I really wish they'd make a wireless Shroud G303 with a snipe and maybe one or two more buttons on the right side. I rarely use them on the 502x but I for sure notice when I did need one on my 305.
I'm opting for the g502 lightspeed (non-RGB version of this line). Battery is better without the RGB, and a few grams lighter than this model (slightly cheaper too if I'm not mistaken)...
I also went this way too. Because the only time you’ll see the RGB is when you’re not using it. At that point I’m away from my computer so who cares haha.
Button layout on the 502 is top tier. The two buttons next to the m1 are instabuys for me. Make them bigger and easier to press? Easy money out of my pocket, for better or worse. I usually add weight to my mice. Only thing that has me a little meh is that sniper button flap. But that is fairly minor when it comes to finding the right mouse.
@@timbillins1848 logitech releases a bunch of crap that I don't buy. But this specific button layout and shape is fairly unique. If there were competeing brands that had this style, I would consider them. Don't be obtuse.
The sniper button is actually the one I use the least. The other 4 on the side are nice. In most cases I use them for different ptt channels or hotkeys. I feel like G8 is positioned perfectly and I wouldn't mind one on the other side as well.
mine is not doing that pre-travel shit.. but i did pick it up yesterday.. who is going press on the clickers that far forward anyhow? lol... this totally feels like a premium mouse.. now i own the superlight, the g303 shroud, and the g502 x plus.. and they are all my favorites..
With Logitech you get what you get. If they revise it, won’t be out for years just like the pro and the g703 got the newer switches took what 3-4 years lol
@@frostgodx Okay, but this pre travel problem gamers won't accept, and will impact a lot the sells and reviews. I think Logitech will have to fix this quick to not lose a huge amount of money.
@@GreedWitchOficial I agree but the same time the only “mechanical” part of the switch is the actual click funny enough that’s not always when the switch activates if you click them slow like that which makes it even worse cause it doesn’t make sense. They did that to try and have crisp clicks still with opticals and not have the mush razer feeling which would have been awesome accept this damn pre travel making it a weird situation. If you always use it snappy in game or with force you won’t even notice this in use. The problem is funny enough casual use when it feels like something is fucked up. Hard to say how they will handle this but given the past and the way they tend to do things I doubt they will care for a long time still.
And if that is too much, I'm fine with a wired one as well. After all, the battery and wireless sender/reciever stuff also need weight. So a wired one around 80-85g would be pretty much perfect, and if they get it under 80g even better. And the weightmodding tutorials show that it is totally possible to get the mouse down to that weight without removing buttons.
For those the G Pro exist. I only wish there was a light mouse with a good amount of buttons and proper size. Feels like there are only mice meant to be used with tweezers and mice that can do double duty as blunt weapon. Is it really so hard to make a mouse with 7 buttons + tilt wheel in the 70-80g range...
106 grams is unplayable for me 70 grams maybe but I can only use a 65- g mouse for competitive and 160 dollars is just ridiculous maybe 80 dollars but still won't buy it lol Logitech is a shit company.
The method you use for measuring "pre-travel" is not a measure of switch actuation. These are optical switches, the click is not the switch actuation.
The very nature of optical switches is that they actuate much faster than mechanical switches, which need physical contact and software debouncing.
Furthermore you're slowly bending the mouse button, using the switch as a lever. This is outside of what would be seen during normal use.
Alot of people talking about how this mouse is heavy. They make mouses that are lightweight. Dont mess with our G500s.
That mouse is perfect, There is a reason why that it's the most sold mouse in the world, Anyone shaming the mouse for being too heavy needs to get up from the chair and lift a glass of water... weak mfs
I have the G502 Hero, and I've had it for about 1 and half years and my right click (right-handed use) button doesn't work all the time. while holding the button it doesn't stay activated while ADSing (ADS=Aim down sites) on fps games. It's annoying hoping they fixed whatever it is the issue is causing this.
Got the wired version to replace my proteus spectrum.Side by side i feel exactly the same pretravel.2 days of usage im already very happy with this mouse also i beated all my high scores on aim lab with the same settings from the proteus.It feels a bit hollow but you get used to it.Old mouse is very heavy now.
I don't mind the weight when it fits my hand so well. & I would trade the thumb rest and the scroll wheel tilt for the weight almost everytime. Not to mention the infinite scroll wheel
It's 100+ plus grams it's almost unplayable 70 grams is ok like the shroud g303 it's pretty good but it's still a bit heavy for competitive gaming I main the razer v3 and the g303 shroud.
@@noahtech4797 "unplayable" lmao, I'm using an old G502 and its almost 120 gram and stil doin fine. People says 80-gram mice is heavy but still holding a phone that much heavier than these mice "without" support from the desk like mice do all the time on daily basis. Pretty funny tbh.
@@DAZONECHAN do you move a phone no and you can't compare a phone to a mouse
@@noahtech4797 molasses sensitivity player detected
Hey, the good thing is, we can take out much of the weight and keep the buttons.
Is the right side (Pinky and Ring Finger) pad the same size, or is the new one wider/taller? I liked the original 502, but the right side finger pad was too small; couldn't fit both fingers on it comfortbaly
Hate it when mouse companies set precedents to rip off their consumers like this. No way in hell is this worth £150 lol. Thanks finalmouse and razer
Agreed.. £80 it’s worth a look if you like this mouse
@@Beardedbob Yeah I'd pay £80 tbf
Keep in mind Razer just released a $200 Mouse and charging dock
finalmouse.
@@filipbunaltiit’s kinda different though. The charging mat works across a bunch of Logitech mice, so if you have multiple Logitech mice it’s a good investment. The Razer Qi charger is specifically just for the Basilisk, and it’s just a charging dock. The PowerPlay mat is more one of a kind
Does the g502 x lightspeed have pre travel?
@Beardedbob Do you know where I can get just the switches for this mouse I really want to put those optical switches in my G Pro X superlight
Does the DAv3 has the same pre travel?
No
That 502X just looks so pretty
One question: the old g502 has a problem that is, when you press the mouse scroll depending of the angle you press it, you can accidentaly activate one of the lateral (left and right) whell buttons wich can lead to undesirable commands. Looking into your video and some photos, seems that the wheel of the new model is different. Can you report if this accidental presses also happen on the new model?
i dont remember it happening to me with old one tho.
It still happens (with my grip, anyway).
Been waiting for this one!
Btw they're also two other versions of new g502 . First one is wired and it's 89 G and the second one is Wireless without RGB which weight is 100 G. In my opinion that is very good refresh and I will definitely buy it although I will wait for them to fix pre-travel
how would we know if they do fix the pre-travel?
Most time Logitech is fixing things like this in around 3 months people are also making updates about things like this on the mouse forums from time to time. Overall do your own research in one or two months and you will know
black one lightspeed x comes in just under 100 grams at 99.7 not bad not where some of us wanted it to be still high but honestly not bad on paper
I'm interested in the 89g one? What is the exact name of it?
@@HappyBeezerStudios It's the cheapest one. The plain G502X. It's wired. Should cost around $80 at the moment.
They should add a forth button on the side. Near the backside. So I have jump,reload,prone and switch weapon on for fps..
Jump: space bar, DPI switcher is my crouch/prone, R is reload it’s not far on the keyboard haha. I use my others for Merle, grenade, special, heal.
the buttons next to M1 is perfect for that.
i havent heard anyone else complain about the pre travel, is it really present on every one or is his model just faulty
also is pre travel on mice an actuall problem or is it something you can get used to
Pre travel is definitely a problem. How big of a problem it is, that depends on the person using the mouse.
Tbh the normal g502 has negligent pre travel. Pretty sure you won't even see it at all. I am using it and it's like instant. Your initial pressure is wasted on the pre travel and also brings the point of "latency" which is negligible mostly, but in those crucial gaming moments when you see an enemy and that latency is the differentiator for you dying in a 1v1 headshot battle. If you play valo you will understand what i mean.
Ye it's a problem to people who have fairy fingers and can't apply any pressure to the button 🤣
Great video and thank you for this video. One question though, are the optical hybrid switches swappable with your traditional switches like kaihl 8.0?
There are a few mods but a straight swap no…. In the Razer mice that use opto mech switches you can swap these between other Razer mice with these switches
@@Beardedbob thank you for answering! I plan on purchasing a g502 but optical switches are a big turn off for me. One last question, for the old g502 model that uses all mechanical micro switches, are there any silent switch options I can use to replace the side smt switch with?
@@Beardedbob It'd be really dope and I'm sure alot of people would be curious to see how and what mods could be done to replace the side switches for the g502. I appreciate you responding to my comments. Thank you
The 502 price has been cut so much its hard to pay sooooo much for this new & slightly improved version!
Does it have LOD settings ?
I feel like they make the mouse worse with each iteration. My Proteus Core is still clicking perfectly fine after nearly 6 years, while I hear of lots of Heros that have double click issues after less than half a year. The mouse wheel is still super heavy, despite the G900s wheel fitting in it perfectly.
But I must say the skates are better and the front where the buttons end is less edgy.
I hate it but it's so true about double clicking 💀
i had spectrum forever and its also still works fine
I don't get the pre-travel because I click from the middle of the button, but I do from the front. I use a claw grip. The mouse is good but I really wish they'd make a wireless Shroud G303 with a snipe and maybe one or two more buttons on the right side. I rarely use them on the 502x but I for sure notice when I did need one on my 305.
Which one is better?
I like when we complain that a 106 gram mouse is "too heavy"
bro these switches are HYBRID, not need to click to work... they use lasers to detect movement, click is only for hear and jump button back
nice video FOCUS work...
I'm opting for the g502 lightspeed (non-RGB version of this line). Battery is better without the RGB, and a few grams lighter than this model (slightly cheaper too if I'm not mistaken)...
I also went this way too. Because the only time you’ll see the RGB is when you’re not using it. At that point I’m away from my computer so who cares haha.
@@ethenjordan2010 RGB is the lighting right?
@@tc2664 obviously
@@justaweeb1884 😡
i ended up nabbing the x plus because it was only $25 more and with that rgb turned off that battery difference is already worth it
the scroll wheel sound much smoother. That's my only complaint of the older G502.
Button layout on the 502 is top tier. The two buttons next to the m1 are instabuys for me. Make them bigger and easier to press? Easy money out of my pocket, for better or worse. I usually add weight to my mice. Only thing that has me a little meh is that sniper button flap. But that is fairly minor when it comes to finding the right mouse.
So long story short, they could release any old crap and you'd buy it....nice
@@timbillins1848 logitech releases a bunch of crap that I don't buy. But this specific button layout and shape is fairly unique. If there were competeing brands that had this style, I would consider them. Don't be obtuse.
I like that they have g7/8 bigger but the side where you thumb sits is pretty narrow still
@@telkaivokalma You may want to look into the Roccat Kone XP Air. You may enjoy that one.
The sniper button is actually the one I use the least. The other 4 on the side are nice. In most cases I use them for different ptt channels or hotkeys. I feel like G8 is positioned perfectly and I wouldn't mind one on the other side as well.
mine is not doing that pre-travel shit.. but i did pick it up yesterday.. who is going press on the clickers that far forward anyhow? lol... this totally feels like a premium mouse.. now i own the superlight, the g303 shroud, and the g502 x plus.. and they are all my favorites..
love the look of them (esp white) but still too heavy. Im too accustomed to my superlight
i think this will be nice upgrade since i have g502 hero that is dying lol
Do you think Logitech can fix the pre travel for the next Batchs?
With Logitech you get what you get. If they revise it, won’t be out for years just like the pro and the g703 got the newer switches took what 3-4 years lol
@@frostgodx Okay, but this pre travel problem gamers won't accept, and will impact a lot the sells and reviews. I think Logitech will have to fix this quick to not lose a huge amount of money.
@@GreedWitchOficial I agree but the same time the only “mechanical” part of the switch is the actual click funny enough that’s not always when the switch activates if you click them slow like that which makes it even worse cause it doesn’t make sense. They did that to try and have crisp clicks still with opticals and not have the mush razer feeling which would have been awesome accept this damn pre travel making it a weird situation. If you always use it snappy in game or with force you won’t even notice this in use. The problem is funny enough casual use when it feels like something is fucked up. Hard to say how they will handle this but given the past and the way they tend to do things I doubt they will care for a long time still.
very disappointed with logitech they should have made a wireless g502x less than 90 grams.
And if that is too much, I'm fine with a wired one as well. After all, the battery and wireless sender/reciever stuff also need weight. So a wired one around 80-85g would be pretty much perfect, and if they get it under 80g even better. And the weightmodding tutorials show that it is totally possible to get the mouse down to that weight without removing buttons.
i wish they would make a super light g502!!!!!! i would probably main it!!!!
This mouse can do everything and its a weapon if you wield it right. Will wait for G501 Superlight weight.
First and I wanted to add here that this would be a definitive cope for people in need for lower weight mice, I find this a miss by logitech tbh!
For those the G Pro exist.
I only wish there was a light mouse with a good amount of buttons and proper size. Feels like there are only mice meant to be used with tweezers and mice that can do double duty as blunt weapon. Is it really so hard to make a mouse with 7 buttons + tilt wheel in the 70-80g range...
time to mod to be more lightweight!!! Also hoping to see the lightforce switch
He already did that and got it to ~80g
still a brick lol, the wired version with a good paracord cable is decent, and worthy of an upgrade if you ask me
Sure is, they should have made it a lot lighter
@@Beardedbob nah coz there are plenty of light mouses at market. get wired if u want lite
Razer Basilisk V3 Pro - 112g ))
Gentlemen the Brick light in white
Rubber and doubleclick is the main issue of g502 lightspeed
double click is easy to fix but not that rubber its a pain to remove and its not a looker when its off.
I was expecting a G502 X Superlight… this stupid brick is a huuuuge disappointment
Yep, a lot of the mice are from the big names.. the DAV3 is also
Just asking do your wrist muscles exist?
Lightspeed supposed to be faster too.
Faster than light I guess
Honestly too light
Can always add weights from g502 if you were upgrading.
Too expensive for now.
Agreed..
106 grams is unplayable for me 70 grams maybe but I can only use a 65- g mouse for competitive and 160 dollars is just ridiculous maybe 80 dollars but still won't buy it lol Logitech is a shit company.
Yep she’s a bit heavy still not sure why they didn’t bring it down
@@Beardedbob yeah
i mean that IS the battery powered one
they got a wired one which is lighter
@@TheJosiahTurner Yeah, I'm totally okay with a flexible cable if that means taking weight off for the battery and wireless part.
@zee Just glue a 2kg dumbbell weight to it
G502x 按键邦邦硬 声音又大 用起来太累了，失败的产品！！！
It’s not great I agree
@@Beardedbobhi， Can u study how to replace Omron 50m/20m switch？
50m inching
Новая безусловно лучше и удобней будет.
Hope so