so glad you're here to get these ideas out, it was an absolute blast working on this ☆ it's probably worth pointing out that the "past three pillars" and "offer up to the" on the bit with the three Shaymin are the words seen in the engravings in Turnback Cave in DPP, and that maybe the "god" in this case is Giratina giving guidance to the player on how to reach it and/or the Distortion World
Thank you so much for unraveling the mystery of these hieroglyphs! This is so cool to the lore of Pokémon! And I was thinking along the same thing with the three Shaymin representing the mural in Turn Back Cave. Glad it seems I was on to something there. Again, I really appreciate your hard work here! I hope it was as fun to decipher it, as it was for me to watch and learn it.
would make sense, cause in the distortion world, there are flowers, and we have to pass by three of them on that platform were we find garitina in platinum. so maybe its the human travels a great distance, a god tells the human past the three flowers in a world thats torn/destoryed with a waterfall that rises or from a waterfall that rises. that my though about thet shaymen trio at least
9:30 - I read it as. "Searching thru this land, space dances with time. God guides us as we travel. Gratitude(we are thankful)." I see it as a double message, 1. it's a hint at the upcoming frenzied boss were you have to get pay attention to the distance between you and the boss and time dodges correctly. 2. This is a continuation of the players story as you find this mural on the second map and are being guide by God via the Acres iPhone. This gives the player hope to maybe return home, hence being thankful.
I suspect that the intended order for these murals might be subject object verb like Japanese. Furthermore, the three Shaymin might mean forest. Take a look at these kanji 木 tree, 林 grove, 森 forest. Or at the very least may be being used to represent a multitude of something.
exactly this, as i know a bit of Japanese i kept SOV in mind as i was trying to read the murals, and translated directly to a more English format and that's a very good point about the three Shaymin which i really should have picked up on! ☆
That still does fit, as Turnback Cave- where the player goes to encounter Giratina in both past Hisui and modern Sinnoh- is situated within a forest; much more so in the modern Sinnoh titles.
So, I think a big thing that has been missed in regards to Manaphy - the Prince of the Seas. I think that the Manaphy could be used to represent royalty or at least denote leadership. Especially if Basculegion already exists as a symbol for water or traveling the sea. Darkrai could be more like fear than straight darkness (especially with Giratina being available) and Crescelia could be more like shining given it's multiple dex entries referring to it as such. The following are my interpretations numbered by video appearance 3.) A shining leader Travels across the sea facing unknown, fear, and dark dangers Humans of willpowers arise in the fearful lands Traveling across land and sea 4.) A leader of Humans The grateful people give thanks to god abundantly The land is torn and a new leader arises 5.) A shining man challenges a Pokemon of shadows Pride and fear fill the land The leader slows 6.) Pokemon of this place and time are unknown The leader is missing God rules over the pokemon 7.) An ambitious leader of man challenges god Time slows across the land and sea The time of fear grows
I was considering that. Manaphy being prince or leader makes sense given the legend and Cresselia being the crescent and waxing moon could also mean appear, as it seems to simply appear out of nowhere and also matches the first phase of a visible moon.
I was also thinking that Manaphy can represent communication/connection. Due to Heart Swap being its signature move. The 6th one can then be interpreted as "In a time and place where pokemon are not companions. The unknown connection to Pokemon was revealed by God". This can also be related the ancient aura users as well since the temple was clearly built by human hands
The mural in the temple could be that “god provides companionship” in the final line. It would make sense in a game where all Pokémon are against you but Arceus provides help.
that is beautiful keeping the idea of companionship being absent, because as they repeatedly told us in trailers, people and Pokémon live separate lives, and i think your interpretation gives a very wholesome insight into the daily lives of just the regular people of Hisui at the time ☆
13:50 while this might indeed have something to do with Volo, this also sounds to me like the veilstone myth, albeit abridged or with some details changed. A man cutting down a pokemon sounds like the man from the legend while the dark place drawing near from "high above" may be the shadowy figure that warns the human of the consequences of raising his sword against pokemon?
I HAD THE SAME IDEA LOL!!! The only problem for me is where Veilstone city would be isn't very close to where you find this myth. But I still think its a solid idea!
@@sammydelamante7982 YESS, this was the first idea i had, especially with the first line, but the rest of it sounds a lot like a prophecy about Volo as "high above, a dark place draws near" specifically sounds like it's describing the space-time rift
On the first mural, wouldn't "to explore" be a better way to translate the second Ursaluna? Alternatively, as you use your ride Ursaluna to find or save members of the expedition, could it not be: "A God Searches across the world for a brave human with a wise honest heart to save a world plagued by danger"
Aren't the three Shaymin representatives of the gratitude that the three Pixies give you in return for freeing them from Galaxy HQ? These thank you by helping you through the world distortion and solving those puzzles.
i love how this also works well for the same interpretation, while potentially making even more sense, the three Shaymin were indeed very difficult and i love that you've thought of this hahah
@@KaiCyreus thank you both of you but Toby put footage of the distortion world which have me the memory of how, gameplay wise, that place worked. I only connected the dots
While some of the meanings make a lot of sense, some feel a bit too specific compared to others that are more vague, and all together feels more like... Confirmation bias. You have these theories about their meanings, and theories about the games, so by going between the potential meanings of each Pokemon, you're finding a potential translation that seems to prove you right. While it would make sense that to some degree they are talking about the player character, maybe about Volo... It could also be that these hieroglyphs are just meant as quick retellings of the various Sinnoh myths we know of, as some of them could be taken to mean similar things. Someone cutting down Pokemon, humans and Pokemon living close together, someone expressing gratitude. All in all, a very interesting theory, but a little too... Convenient
indeed, especially the "cuts down Pokémon" one sounds a lot like the Veilstone Myth in the first line, however the rest of it also sounds like a prophecy about Volo as "high above, a dark place draws near" sounds a LOT like the space-time rift, but of course that depends on the interpretation of each symbol and the syntax they're presented in being correct as well
oh certainly, theres a whole lot of fill in the blanks going on here, but there is probably still something there at least even if we cant be sure if this is the right direction or not just yet. thats unfortunately kinda an issue when it comes to translating the sort of language this is suspected to be, much of the sentence structure is implied rather than written which lead to... shall we say, entertaining mistranslations when things like tenses and verbs arent properly filled out
13:35 i thought the shaymin could mean that arceus gave humanity/ the human three gifts or my interpritation a human travels far a god teaches the human to use the three gifts (lake trio gifts) to mend a world that is torn where waterfalls rise alternatively because the arceus could just mean "legendaries" it could be saying that the legendaries (lake trio) give three gifts to the human to mend the torn world where waterfalls rise
this is great, it could even specifically be talking about the part where the three Legendary Pokémon, the Lake trio, help you find your way through the Distortion World by showing where all those Strength boulders are supposed to go and such and i did suggest that the Arceus symbol could mean Legendary Pokémon in general too, so i love that you caught on to that ☆
It's possible that the Nobles could relate to their titles no? What's interesting about the mural hidden in the Coastland cavern is that Volo would normally not be able to visit that area. You need to be accepted by Basculegion.
I think that the Arceus symbol could both mean "god" as in Arceus and "gods" as in a number of gods/a pantheon. I think the Moonview Arena message says "Men traveled from across the sea. God(s) tells the men to repeatedly (or thrice) show gratitude or the land will be destroyed by tsunami" Because Manaphy is specifically sea travel, there being three Shaymins could mean that the gratitude is shown multiple times, and the combination of Kleavor (destroy), Manaphy (sea), and Sneasler (rising) could come out as "destruction by rising sea" which is what a tsunami is. And I think the Snowpoint Temple message says "Peace with (the) god(s) in this time and place is unknown. (As if they are(?)) Across a vast and unknowable sea, we are separated from them." The combination of Manaphy and Heatran could mean something along the lines of "A sea that is vast and what lies beyond/on it is unknown". That part of the message is either a metaphor or they literally believed that the realm of the god(s) is on the other side of an uncrossable body of water. I have the feeling that this message also says why the people built the temple, to make peace with god(s). I think that the warnings of the future are prophecies said by some kind of oracle. There are literally both psychic humans and Pokemon in the universe, so it's not out of the question.
another good idea, you've also made me think that the combination of Manaphy and Heatran - if you take the more popular idea of Heatran representing magma and tumultuous earth - could be a compound word describing natural disasters, which in this case would be acts of divine retribution
While I do love all the work put into this, shouldn't we let Volo's words help us in interpreting the murals? He tells the player character that the murals focus on the story of the ancient hero who went on a journey and challenged Arceus. Unless he was speaking only of what the hieroglyphics he is showing you right then mean.
Well, it would be pretty counterproductive for Volo at this part of the game to tell us what the murals actually mean. Meanwhile, what the Ancient Hero did and what we do in the game (earning the Nobles' trust, collecting the plates) is similar in the first place, so what he says at Deertrack Heights could just be written off as different interpretation rather than him outright lying/purposefully mistranslating.
Ahh, you guys were so close, the hieroglyphs are actually a result of Arceus trying to order a pizza 300 years too early. Seriously though, excellent work to all involved, these have been driving me crazy.
At 13:54, I personally think it's talking about the frenzied noble pokemon. Seemingly overnight, the people were attacked by corrupted (frenzied) pokemon as the rift above grew closer. Pretty much sums up the events of the frenzied nobles.
At 12:57 I think the three shaymin represent humans being grateful for the gift that arceus gave us in knowledge willpower and emotions through the lake trio
It makes perfect sense to interpret the Hiroglypohs as words or phrases instead of letters. Many ancient languages (egyptian hiroglyphs) were built that way and even in modern languages dont use one symbol for just one letter (Chinese, Japanese Kanji) Im surprised that there were no earlier theories about these murals, they were so present, but honstly, at this point I already forgot about them. I really like your translations/interpretations
It's possible the person/persons/God that created the messages, knew that language could be an issue, since it can change so much over time and regions. So they chose symbols that would retain their meaning over time and who's meaning was universal no matter who was trying to read it.
I think Manaphy might be intended to represent someone special or royal. Like how Manaphy is the prince of the sea maybe? So a special human or looking for someone special?
this was actually my first idea with the Manaphy symbol, you might expect that there would be something like that what with BDSP having a new story featuring the Sea Prince, but it seemed a bit too specific for it to work across all instances of its use in the end
@@KaiCyreus what it also signifies something important like a very important event that's going to happen or a certain someone responsible for important events, or like above looking for am important person? It made sense in those contexts. Especially if Basculegion is already meant for traveling on water. Be weird to have it twice
This is legitimately amazing both on the side of Pokefans and GF. They *knew* peeps were gonna dissect this to heck lmao. It all makes sense and flows logically, I love it. What an intricately woven world. Awesome video!
I would love to see you do a video on this. I haven’t seen anyone address this curious mystery. I’m not sure if they’ll return in Pokemon Scarlet & Violet but ever since XY the Pokémon Rangers have disappeared. They weren’t Alola or Galar. The only place they can found currently is on the island of Pasio in Pokemon Masters. So what happened in X&Y that caused the Rangers to disappear. And/Or why are the only remaining Pokémon Rangers on Pasio?
@@awesomecat42 While that’s a very easy and unsatisfying Answer, the gap between the last Pokémon Ranger game and the last time the Rangers appeared in the mainline game is over 3 years. Additionally it doesn’t explain why the Pokemon Company would then use the Pokémon Ranger trainer class in Masters, even giving it a brand new design.
this video is a year old now so i dont know how many people will see this, but i think the interpretation of 13:35 is half-right. i think this is definitely talking about the distortion world, but i think it's about volo specifically. i see it more as "the human travels, for arceus/god whom he holds overwhelming reverence for, through the destroyed world where waterfalls rise." if it's accurate, this is probably volo seeking out giratina to tear open the space-time rift in order to get arceus' attention. and if THAT is true, 11:04 might be pretty similar to what you said, volo's journey TO the distortion world. something like "under the cover of dangerous night, the ambitious human arises to dark/evil places, as he crosses land and sea."
I still do not agree 100% with Volo being a time traveler, he sure knows a lot and makes you think that by looking at his plan and how long he's been working on it, but he still went to Cogita to know more about the legends. We can easily tell Cogita is a person with thousands of years, being the one that wrote the Old Verses and the lover of the Legendary Hero "Alder". When she first saw Volo she thought he might have been the one she was waiting for to tell everything she knew to save Hisui, but then when the character You play come to Hisui and Volo tells Cogita about it, she stops to tell stories to him and waits to see You player to help you get the Red Chain. If they are both either time travellers, or much older than they look, he should probably know more and doesn't need to asks Cogita for the legends of the same people they both shares the genes by being the first Sinnoh people. Hopefully what I said makes sense and can get a response.
i'm also not quite on board with him being a time traveler exactly, as there's not much to go on when assuming that he can just somehow travel through time i do have a similar idea about him though - that he simply lives longer than most people, that he's almost like a less extreme version of AZ he's much taller than average, seen in his concept art to be 190cm, and he says he'll conquer Arceus no matter how many decades or centuries it takes.. maybe these ancient Sinnoh people are just built different and live much longer loves naturally
@@KaiCyreus If he is an ancient Sinnoh person like Cogita that might be possible, though most of them disappeared and probably only those 2 were left. Cogita then could have children that in the future would bring the Cynthia we know.
Thank you Toby! Ever since I first played arceus and saw these hieroglyphics I was waiting for you or another poketuber to find out their meaning. My curiosity has finally been satisfied.
Been thinking about those murals alot, excited to watch this video and get your interpretation! I love that they included glyphs other than the unknown lol
This is fascinating! However, I think the Manaphy symbol might be related to “beginnings” or “birth”; as it is the only legendary that can hatch from an egg. That’s one of the Pokémon’s big gimmicks. It also makes a lot of sense if you were to replace this Manaphy meaning into the context of various murals. Take the last one before heading to the temple and Spear Pillar: it still makes perfectly coherent sense when swapping “traveled” into “born”.
I could see some of these being on to something, but others are a reach or redundant. Manaphy for example is the prince of the sea, which could be referring to royalty, perhaps Volo was a member of royalty among the ancient Celestica people. Avalugg resembles a structure or platform, and my guess is it's referring to the Temple of Sinnoh.
I’m gonna be honest, I read the hieroglyphs at 16:00 as “Today, we use our power to fell a god!” Too much of my headspace is taken up by Xenoblade Chronicles, isn’t it?
This is so cool that u we're able to find almost a secret story in the game. I was also thinking that Manaphy might also mean Prince or royalty but, I guess that doesn't really fit. I love this theory though!
When you come across the first mural, you are told outright that it's about the original hero. Although, as you progress and befriend the 10 pokemon that were loyal to the original hero, it's meant to instil the feeling that you're basically mirroring the steps taken by the original hero, so it makes sense that the first mural would seem to apply to either of you equally. Otherwise, there's a lot of good logic applied here, but as others have stated - there's too many instances of characters being used to fit for the sake of convenience. I reckon they are all relating to the various tales of the region, rather than premonitions. If there were premonitions, why would so many relate to Volo and overlook the other mysterious time travellers in the game? If we include Volo, there's also Ingo, the player and Cogita. (Upon meeting the player, she states that they are the one she's been waiting for. It also implies that she, in some fashion has surpassed the normal life span for a human and will continue to do so. We can't say for sure that she has traversed time, but she has definitely manipulated time in some way - or rather some pokemon has performed this act for her, as is the case for every instance of space/time manipulation in the franchise canon. Since she has knowledge of events that have yet to come, it makes sense that she may have learned of these events further down the timeline and come back to play her role in them.) In a story where time travel is an established factor, foretelling the future is much less mysterious. Even if they ARE premonitions, who's to say someone from the Legends Arceus story isn't responsible for going back in time and creating these premonitions/murals?
I wish we could get a interview with someone who works for Pokémon where we can get answers to this and bunch of other theory’s. Just confirming some of them will make us see the games in a whole new light.
Japense work environment (specially Nintendo) makes that next to impossible, so dev tend to leave picks of lore here and there hoping to be use in the future or at least as Easter eggs for themselves wich gives a lot of theories to Nintendos ip. But yea i do wish there were iterviews with the creators and devs to see how they plan that suff.
I think the last one could also be interpreted as “an ambitious human, challenged by God, moves across time traveling across land and sea as dark times grow”. Which could refer to the player or the hero of old who is from another time or said to be from another time and has to help with the dark times the region is coming into. It is told to us in some point in the game that the time space distortion problem have happened once before with the hero of old and now the player so many that is the dark thing that is talked about. And one of the first thing in the game and one of the last things we hear Arceus say is find all of the Pokémon and then come find me, he actually challenge us.
that's exactly where the words i wrote on the three Shaymin come from, suggesting that the "god" in this case is in fact Giratina telling you how to reach it, or the Distortion World
I think shaymin may mean more than we have. Gratitude I think is one but it might also be worth considering purification and pollution as well as considering light and water. Just thinking about how it purified polluted areas and gets power from the pollution, but also breaks pollution into water and light. The three shaymin maybe gratitude, purity and light
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You guys forgot that this game was developed by Japanese people, whose language and consequently the was the stuff was encrypted is different (specifically it's the SOV structure of Japanese I'm talking about). I think that decrypting hieroglyphs should be conducted with that in mind.
theres no way the snowpoint temple is the first building in Hisui, I'm sorry there are way too many buildings of similar building material, that are broken crumbling ruins on mount coronet
Amazing theory! Congrats to everyone who helped to figure it out. I genuinely think you cracked the code. I also think that each symbol could have multiple meanings, since Japanese is a language that has tons of meanings for almost every word.
I was busy when this video was posted three days ago but my god it’s an excellent video and I’m really impressed with the hard work these guys put to decipher these messages
13:54 No, that's Veilstone's Myth. We know these myths predate Legends Arceus because the Old Verses reference them. Not sure why it's in Mt. Coronet though.
Very interesting video. The different meanings for "travel" for Wyrdeer, Basculegion, and Braviary makes sense at they are different modes of travel, but Manaphy also meaning travel just seems redundant and makes me think there must be a different meaning behind that glyph
I had taken screenshots of each mural to try and do exactly this, but never quite got the time. Thanks so much for sharing these people's amazing work deciphering those messages, it was really interesting to see!
You interpreted Azelf and Regigigas as a "brave human" in the first one, apparently meaning the player or a hero, but later as an "ambitious human," supposedly referring to Volo, there's an obvious lack of continuity. In a lot of pictographic languages and the like, two symbols being seen together often tend to be a group that forms a new word or concept. In the case of Azelf/Regigigas being Hero, you can then use that as a base to interpret the other murals.
Now just imagine a legends Celebi and right after the tutorial you meet with a younger Volo but they don’t introduce him right away. You as the player might not even make the connection but it’s still there bugging you and messing around in the back of your mind. Then near the end of the game the big reveal happens and it connects the two games that would be awesome. (If it does happen it would be cool if it did take place in Sinjoh)
For the story at 14:00, there was also a story in the Canalave City library where a human cut down a Pokémon using a sword, and it caused all Pokémon to go into the tall grass. It could be a prophecy of that.
my guess is that the words at the end is meant to be the verb, following japanese word order. So, instead of "hidden dark shadows traverse water danger", we could read it as "traversing dangerous waters in the dark shadows".
Great work. Awesome video. Kudos to everyone who contributed for sure. But this just reinforces how awesome the main story of this game was. Playing it for the first time through was the most fun I’ve had playing a Pokémon game ever. Awesome stuff. Great videos. Just good vibes all around!!!
You could interpret Crestlia as dreaming and darkrai as nightmare, dark thoughts or even foreshadowing. Manaphy specifically travels great distance while basculegion travels the hisui region, so the cave about either Volo or Cyrus could also be the following "Dreams of a far traveler, under dark guidance across seas of danger, from such a dark place rises ambitious human, crossing land and sea" Crossing land or sea could be homage to searching far and wide
14:39 first looking at this, I thought it was describing how humans and pokemon are different, and how they never work together, because in PLA, people are seen to be afraid of pokemon. so "them" could describe pokemon as a whole.
@Bird Keeper Toby, I interpret the hieroglyphs in [13:35] this way: "As the Human travels, I [arceus] gives human [them] abundant gifts, these benevolent gifts from beyond; take them and overcome(waterfall+ascend)." - I'm calling it as Arceus explaining the purpose of Space-time Distortions to us as players - these powerful, asynchronous pokemon are his gifts to aid us, so that we may rise above challenges to come.
I actually think that Basculegion represents vengeance. I deciphered all of these as well and got somewhat different results but I'm certain that Braviary means a fight/battle and Giratina just means Giratina much like Arceus just means Arceus. Azelf only ever appears alongside Regigigas so I'm certain that it refers to a specific person (Volo). Also, I believe that they're interpreted the way runes are - all together. Order doesn't really matter. When you do rune casting, you read them all as a group. And also, various symbols have various interpretations based on the context of what they are paired with. I might just make my own vid about what conclusions I came to because I don't want to spam here, but for example I got a WAY different interpretation for 10:40 but the essence is still there. I read from the bottom up, and it essentially says "traveling with a vengeance/grudge" , then "a strong willed man ascends to a place of darkness" (keep in mind that you must climb cliffs to enter Turnback Cave), then "lying dormant is Giratina, a dark entity with a dangerous grudge" which makes sense given the fact that Giratina lives in this cave. And then the topmost line I interpreted as "a long journey (manaphy) and a dream (creselia)" which I believe highlights Volo and Giratina having a shared dream of vengeance against Arceus. And yes, it is significant that it is found in the Coastlands. Like how the one in Moonview Arena references the spacetime rift.
This is such a cool theory! It totally makes sense, and is so interesting. I love Pokémon lore in general, but the idea that Arceus or some ancient people were trying to spoil or warn us of the big twist of this game, is soooo cool!! Thank you for making this video on this discovery!
I don't know what's more amazing, that Game Freak took time and did this, or that you and your friends caught onto them when no one did and deciphered them. 12:07 I personally interpret this as the tale of the Galaxy Team. "As dark and dangerous places arise, ambitious people traverse through water." As how the Galaxy Team travelled from another region when there land was pillaged by danger to Hisui, another dangerous land, to research pokemon.
I feel like labeling any of these as “traversal” is just not right since there’s five that do that. However it all still works if you replace them with the specific things they traverse. Like instead of Ursaluna and Basculegion “searches traversal” it could be “land and sea”
For the hieroglyphs in the Regi temple at minute 15, couldnt this possibly mean: Companionship with pokemon is unseen/unknown/uncommon in this time, yet there exists an unknown travelling (between worls) god companion (referencing Volos companion Giratina)? Also in a way a warning of a person with a god companion (aka Volo).
15:10 First line adds up, but I say that the second and third lines can become more hopeful. "Companionship in this Time and Place is Unknown, But if You Search For Him, God will be Your Companion."
Manaphy might also refer to bonds, as in it's pokedex its said to be able to bond with any pokemon right away. That and it's heartswap ability. The mural with the three shaymins gave me the idea because the top line might mean something along the lines of Human Bonds which could either refer to the bonds between humans, or the power in the friendship between humans and pokemon (like mega evolution.) I wasn't able to come up with something coherent for the other two lines using that interpretation though. I did see another comment, however, that suggested Manaphy referred to royalty, and I can see that interpretation easily meaning "A human leader"( First line, "the human gives thanks to a god (arceus)"(second line, though this one is iffy,) but the last line especially: "In a land divided (Diamond v Pearl) a leader/king ascends(like ascends to the throne/is crowned)" (Palkia/Land, Kleavor/Divided, Manaphy/Royalty, Sneasler/Ascends/Rises)
i believe manaphy may be more specifically represent "returning" or "returning home". as it and phione's migration back to their birthplace is a large part of the pokemon.
Regarding the mural in Moonview Arena: Arceus could also be interpreted as Sinnoh as in Almighty Sinnoh, so it might be A Human Travels Sinnoh. Also just in the real world triplication is often done for emphasis, so the tripled Shaymin might just be an equivalent of underlining it or putting it in bold.
Great approach to these hieroglyphs! I love that we have a deep world to explore through these games, and the fact that they don't outright tell us things reminds me of Gen 3 with the regis. That said, as with all first interpretations, I feel like some of these were a stretch. I also wonder if we are intended to read them right to left, or left to right? Though it seems in many cases that wouldn't change the meaning by a lot. Having studied Greek, it is a good reminder that the order of English is not the common order for grammar around the world, and I think that is helpful as we approach translating these hieroglyphs.
That the hieroglyphs are in places apart from the ruins that hold unown and Braille symbols has me suspect that they are far older, especially since the ruins they are found in are more damaged, suggesting that most of the Celestic people were driven out to the extent that Cogita is the only current descendant in the game. This makes sense with the arrival of the pearl and diamond clans but I wonder if it goes deeper. Like the presence of Braille at snowpoint temple near to the pearl settlement suggests it is their own scripts, whilst the diamond clan being near the solaceon ruins with the unown script connects them to it. So much fun speculation to be had!
I think the Manaphy refers to how the player character and how they came from a distant world, from across the sea of sorts, we did start at a beach, as if we came from across the sea like Manaphy
This is 2 months after this video buy there is a tie in between manaphy and being a prince or nobility. Prince could also mean to represent someone young or naive, not yet ready to take command or rule. And if manaphy and palkia appear, maybe it means a kingdom or country. Just a thought
I think the mural at 13:02 isn't talking about the distortion world but what you need to do to repair the cut in space. I think it goes A Hero travels With god and three gifts To damaged space he travels upward.
12:34 - 13:36 Maybe it's "3 offerings"? Here's my guess (which isnt too different from what you guess): "A human" "Is sent" "By God" "The hero" "Must use 3 Gifts" "Or the natural flow of the world will be turned upside down (become chaotic)"
Some symbolism When you showed Volo summoning Giratina, his hair in the back was floating up. Now that could be because he really likes Arceus and wants to summon that god But could also symbolize how he's sort of taken over by the darkness of ambition Darkrai also has that sort of shape on its head and Darkrai is symbolized as darkness
TOBY!!! PLEASE SEE THIS!! I actually disagree with your understanding of the inscription in the Snowpoint Temple. You described it as “companionship in this time and place is unknown, an unseen distance separates them from us”. But I think it’s directly talking about the player character and their journey in the Hisui region. The middle line I’m foggy on, but I believe it says something more along the lines of “companionship in this time and place is HIDDEN (not unknown) from an unknown distance; God accompanies us.” So it’s very similar, but the meanings are different. Rather than saying the people of Hisui have been separated from God like I believe you said, it’s rather talking about how Arceus is always with us through our journey via the Arc phone and helps us when it seems it necessary. Thanks for the awesome video Toby, I’ve been wondering this for months!
Perhaps Lilligant could also signify conflict/strife or battles. For example the line with two ursalunas could represent the search for the truth of about Sinnoh, which has led to conflict between two clans.
Honestly… I saw all the murals and didn’t look too closely, I thought they were all the same murals. I feel silly now that you’ve laid them out like this. And I have to say, I like the interpretations
The one thing we can't do in legends arceus is accessing the distortion world... but good for translating those messages I had no idea about these other than why is there a set of pokemon pictures like that.
for the moonview arena I think it may be about how the human ascends towards arceus. traveling around to catch all of the pokemon, meeting arceus by gaining it's, the humans' and the pokemon's gratitude (for saving everyone?) creating the stairs is kind of like cutting through the space to travel upwards, to god themself it also fits with the location, that's for sure like this it would also be like a prophecy, similar to the others for the one about companionship in the regi temple I feel like it is quite similar to the unown messages in the alph ruins of johto
About the mural with the three shaymins, I had a thought it might be from Arceus' point of view. "A human travels" being you, "And God Is Very, Very, Greatful." Arceus is thankful he was able to find you as you are the only one who he deems is able to stop Volo. It's a personal thanks maybe?
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so glad you're here to get these ideas out, it was an absolute blast working on this ☆
it's probably worth pointing out that the "past three pillars" and "offer up to the" on the bit with the three Shaymin are the words seen in the engravings in Turnback Cave in DPP, and that maybe the "god" in this case is Giratina giving guidance to the player on how to reach it and/or the Distortion World
Thank you so much for unraveling the mystery of these hieroglyphs! This is so cool to the lore of Pokémon!
And I was thinking along the same thing with the three Shaymin representing the mural in Turn Back Cave. Glad it seems I was on to something there.
Again, I really appreciate your hard work here! I hope it was as fun to decipher it, as it was for me to watch and learn it.
@@jaysayspidey4013 thanks so much, it was indeed so much fun doing this and i'm glad it was enjoyable ☆
would make sense, cause in the distortion world, there are flowers, and we have to pass by three of them on that platform were we find garitina in platinum.
so maybe its the human travels a great distance, a god tells the human past the three flowers in a world thats torn/destoryed with a waterfall that rises or from a waterfall that rises.
that my though about thet shaymen trio at least
Thank you for all your help in this :D
9:30 - I read it as. "Searching thru this land, space dances with time. God guides us as we travel. Gratitude(we are thankful)."
I see it as a double message,
1. it's a hint at the upcoming frenzied boss were you have to get pay attention to the distance between you and the boss and time dodges correctly.
2. This is a continuation of the players story as you find this mural on the second map and are being guide by God via the Acres iPhone. This gives the player hope to maybe return home, hence being thankful.
As a student of Egyptology, I have to say that the way you guys deciphered the symbols is spot on!
aw thanks :D
yay! ☆
That was also the same thing I thought about their interpretation also comparing it to my knowledge I got studying aegyptology for a shorter time.
Ruin Maniac Levy has appeared!
I respect Your choice of work. Wish I could've picked similar thing (Paleontology)
I suspect that the intended order for these murals might be subject object verb like Japanese. Furthermore, the three Shaymin might mean forest. Take a look at these kanji 木 tree, 林 grove, 森 forest. Or at the very least may be being used to represent a multitude of something.
exactly this, as i know a bit of Japanese i kept SOV in mind as i was trying to read the murals, and translated directly to a more English format
and that's a very good point about the three Shaymin which i really should have picked up on! ☆
It’s funny how English people think they make these games with the English player in mind haha, they don’t. Your Kanji suggestion makes so much sense!
So, you’re saying, it translates to “A human travels and a god tells them about a vast forest. A world that’s torn apart where waterfalls rise.”.
@@furychromthereddeath571 Honestly that still kinda fits the distortion world
That still does fit, as Turnback Cave- where the player goes to encounter Giratina in both past Hisui and modern Sinnoh- is situated within a forest; much more so in the modern Sinnoh titles.
So, I think a big thing that has been missed in regards to Manaphy - the Prince of the Seas. I think that the Manaphy could be used to represent royalty or at least denote leadership. Especially if Basculegion already exists as a symbol for water or traveling the sea. Darkrai could be more like fear than straight darkness (especially with Giratina being available) and Crescelia could be more like shining given it's multiple dex entries referring to it as such.
The following are my interpretations numbered by video appearance
3.)
A shining leader
Travels across the sea facing unknown, fear, and dark dangers
Humans of willpowers arise in the fearful lands
Traveling across land and sea
4.)
A leader of Humans
The grateful people give thanks to god abundantly
The land is torn and a new leader arises
5.)
A shining man challenges a Pokemon of shadows
Pride and fear fill the land
The leader slows
6.)
Pokemon of this place and time are unknown
The leader is missing
God rules over the pokemon
7.)
An ambitious leader of man challenges god
Time slows across the land and sea
The time of fear grows
Spot on this is exactly what I was thinking. He’s literally known as the prince of the sea I doubt his meaning is the same as basculegion
Honestly I think I like this interpretation better, and I think it might be talking about the Galaxy team and Kamado?? Maybe?
I was considering that. Manaphy being prince or leader makes sense given the legend and Cresselia being the crescent and waxing moon could also mean appear, as it seems to simply appear out of nowhere and also matches the first phase of a visible moon.
Love this
I was also thinking that Manaphy can represent communication/connection. Due to Heart Swap being its signature move. The 6th one can then be
interpreted as "In a time and place where pokemon are not companions. The unknown connection to Pokemon was revealed by God". This can also be related the ancient aura users as well since the temple was clearly built by human hands
The mural in the temple could be that “god provides companionship” in the final line. It would make sense in a game where all Pokémon are against you but Arceus provides help.
Yes I completely agree!! I just commented the same thing but turns out you were way ahead of me lol
To me it seemed to be talking about the hoenn regis. Saying that their leader regigigas is separated from the other three
15:00 I would interpret it like
"[Companionship] in this [time] and [place] is [absent],
As we [venture] into the [unknown],
[God] is our [companion]"
I like that a lot too :D
that is beautiful
keeping the idea of companionship being absent, because as they repeatedly told us in trailers, people and Pokémon live separate lives, and i think your interpretation gives a very wholesome insight into the daily lives of just the regular people of Hisui at the time ☆
Excellent work here!
Aw thanks mate ^_^
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From the Deep Theory Man himself.
13:50 while this might indeed have something to do with Volo, this also sounds to me like the veilstone myth, albeit abridged or with some details changed. A man cutting down a pokemon sounds like the man from the legend while the dark place drawing near from "high above" may be the shadowy figure that warns the human of the consequences of raising his sword against pokemon?
I HAD THE SAME IDEA LOL!!! The only problem for me is where Veilstone city would be isn't very close to where you find this myth. But I still think its a solid idea!
@@sammydelamante7982 but remember that the man traveled far and wide looking for pokemon after they went into hiding
@@sammydelamante7982 YESS, this was the first idea i had, especially with the first line, but the rest of it sounds a lot like a prophecy about Volo as "high above, a dark place draws near" specifically sounds like it's describing the space-time rift
I had the same thought!
I thought the same thing bro 😃
On the first mural, wouldn't "to explore" be a better way to translate the second Ursaluna? Alternatively, as you use your ride Ursaluna to find or save members of the expedition, could it not be: "A God Searches across the world for a brave human with a wise honest heart to save a world plagued by danger"
Aren't the three Shaymin representatives of the gratitude that the three Pixies give you in return for freeing them from Galaxy HQ?
These thank you by helping you through the world distortion and solving those puzzles.
Possibly!
i love how this also works well for the same interpretation, while potentially making even more sense, the three Shaymin were indeed very difficult and i love that you've thought of this hahah
@@KaiCyreus thank you both of you but Toby put footage of the distortion world which have me the memory of how, gameplay wise, that place worked.
I only connected the dots
While some of the meanings make a lot of sense, some feel a bit too specific compared to others that are more vague, and all together feels more like... Confirmation bias. You have these theories about their meanings, and theories about the games, so by going between the potential meanings of each Pokemon, you're finding a potential translation that seems to prove you right.
While it would make sense that to some degree they are talking about the player character, maybe about Volo... It could also be that these hieroglyphs are just meant as quick retellings of the various Sinnoh myths we know of, as some of them could be taken to mean similar things. Someone cutting down Pokemon, humans and Pokemon living close together, someone expressing gratitude.
All in all, a very interesting theory, but a little too... Convenient
indeed, especially the "cuts down Pokémon" one sounds a lot like the Veilstone Myth in the first line, however the rest of it also sounds like a prophecy about Volo as "high above, a dark place draws near" sounds a LOT like the space-time rift, but of course that depends on the interpretation of each symbol and the syntax they're presented in being correct as well
100% too convenient at times. U could literally hear in his voice when he knows words were just used to fill the gaps.
oh certainly, theres a whole lot of fill in the blanks going on here, but there is probably still something there at least even if we cant be sure if this is the right direction or not just yet. thats unfortunately kinda an issue when it comes to translating the sort of language this is suspected to be, much of the sentence structure is implied rather than written which lead to... shall we say, entertaining mistranslations when things like tenses and verbs arent properly filled out
@@nickolaswilcox425 none of that would be a problem if he didn't put solved in the title lmao. I agree though
@@bobbyhill6828 Generally, when you present a satisfying solution the question/problem is deemed 'solved'.
13:35 i thought the shaymin could mean that arceus gave humanity/ the human three gifts or my interpritation
a human travels far
a god teaches the human to use the three gifts (lake trio gifts)
to mend a world that is torn where waterfalls rise
alternatively because the arceus could just mean "legendaries" it could be saying that the legendaries (lake trio) give three gifts to the human to mend the torn world where waterfalls rise
this could also just be talking about how in legends the world is torn and you use the red chain to fix it
this is great, it could even specifically be talking about the part where the three Legendary Pokémon, the Lake trio, help you find your way through the Distortion World by showing where all those Strength boulders are supposed to go and such
and i did suggest that the Arceus symbol could mean Legendary Pokémon in general too, so i love that you caught on to that ☆
As someone who has a screenshot saved for each hieroglyph on my switch, this better not be clickbait, Toby!!
Nope it really isn't ^_^
It actually is lmao, nothing is actually solved here. It’s all guesses and assumptions 🤷🏽♂️.
Love your vids tho! 🔥
@@Niiopii that's... what hypotheses are lol (which is typically what people in these videos mean by "theory")
@@Crow0567 doesn’t change the fact that it shouldn’t say SOLVED but “SOLVED”. Regardless of it saying “theory”, solved is still a misnomer.
It's possible that the Nobles could relate to their titles no? What's interesting about the mural hidden in the Coastland cavern is that Volo would normally not be able to visit that area. You need to be accepted by Basculegion.
I think that the Arceus symbol could both mean "god" as in Arceus and "gods" as in a number of gods/a pantheon.
I think the Moonview Arena message says
"Men traveled from across the sea. God(s) tells the men to repeatedly (or thrice) show gratitude or the land will be destroyed by tsunami"
Because Manaphy is specifically sea travel, there being three Shaymins could mean that the gratitude is shown multiple times, and the combination of Kleavor (destroy), Manaphy (sea), and Sneasler (rising) could come out as "destruction by rising sea" which is what a tsunami is.
And I think the Snowpoint Temple message says
"Peace with (the) god(s) in this time and place is unknown. (As if they are(?)) Across a vast and unknowable sea, we are separated from them."
The combination of Manaphy and Heatran could mean something along the lines of "A sea that is vast and what lies beyond/on it is unknown". That part of the message is either a metaphor or they literally believed that the realm of the god(s) is on the other side of an uncrossable body of water. I have the feeling that this message also says why the people built the temple, to make peace with god(s).
I think that the warnings of the future are prophecies said by some kind of oracle. There are literally both psychic humans and Pokemon in the universe, so it's not out of the question.
another good idea, you've also made me think that the combination of Manaphy and Heatran - if you take the more popular idea of Heatran representing magma and tumultuous earth - could be a compound word describing natural disasters, which in this case would be acts of divine retribution
While I do love all the work put into this, shouldn't we let Volo's words help us in interpreting the murals? He tells the player character that the murals focus on the story of the ancient hero who went on a journey and challenged Arceus. Unless he was speaking only of what the hieroglyphics he is showing you right then mean.
Well, it would be pretty counterproductive for Volo at this part of the game to tell us what the murals actually mean. Meanwhile,
what the Ancient Hero did and what we do in the game (earning the Nobles' trust, collecting the plates) is similar in the first place, so what he says at Deertrack Heights could just be written off as different interpretation rather than him outright lying/purposefully mistranslating.
Ahh, you guys were so close, the hieroglyphs are actually a result of Arceus trying to order a pizza 300 years too early. Seriously though, excellent work to all involved, these have been driving me crazy.
Could the 3 shaymins represent the lake trio, and the human showing gratitude for their help in the distortion world during platinum
At 13:54, I personally think it's talking about the frenzied noble pokemon. Seemingly overnight, the people were attacked by corrupted (frenzied) pokemon as the rift above grew closer. Pretty much sums up the events of the frenzied nobles.
At 12:57 I think the three shaymin represent humans being grateful for the gift that arceus gave us in knowledge willpower and emotions through the lake trio
Or thrice given gratitude, each one of the lake trio giving thanks to the player...
It makes perfect sense to interpret the Hiroglypohs as words or phrases instead of letters. Many ancient languages (egyptian hiroglyphs) were built that way and even in modern languages dont use one symbol for just one letter (Chinese, Japanese Kanji)
Im surprised that there were no earlier theories about these murals, they were so present, but honstly, at this point I already forgot about them. I really like your translations/interpretations
It's possible the person/persons/God that created the messages, knew that language could be an issue, since it can change so much over time and regions. So they chose symbols that would retain their meaning over time and who's meaning was universal no matter who was trying to read it.
I think Manaphy might be intended to represent someone special or royal. Like how Manaphy is the prince of the sea maybe? So a special human or looking for someone special?
this was actually my first idea with the Manaphy symbol, you might expect that there would be something like that what with BDSP having a new story featuring the Sea Prince, but it seemed a bit too specific for it to work across all instances of its use in the end
@@KaiCyreus what it also signifies something important like a very important event that's going to happen or a certain someone responsible for important events, or like above looking for am important person? It made sense in those contexts. Especially if Basculegion is already meant for traveling on water. Be weird to have it twice
This is legitimately amazing both on the side of Pokefans and GF. They *knew* peeps were gonna dissect this to heck lmao. It all makes sense and flows logically, I love it. What an intricately woven world. Awesome video!
I would love to see you do a video on this. I haven’t seen anyone address this curious mystery.
I’m not sure if they’ll return in Pokemon Scarlet & Violet but ever since XY the Pokémon Rangers have disappeared. They weren’t Alola or Galar.
The only place they can found currently is on the island of Pasio in Pokemon Masters. So what happened in X&Y that caused the Rangers to disappear. And/Or why are the only remaining Pokémon Rangers on Pasio?
Interesting, I gotta think about that
My gut reaction is that they aren't making any more Pokémon Ranger games, which means there's not much point in promotions or tie-ins any more.
@@awesomecat42 While that’s a very easy and unsatisfying Answer, the gap between the last Pokémon Ranger game and the last time the Rangers appeared in the mainline game is over 3 years.
Additionally it doesn’t explain why the Pokemon Company would then use the Pokémon Ranger trainer class in Masters, even giving it a brand new design.
I thought manaphy would stand for something like king or kingly sue to it being the sea prince
this video is a year old now so i dont know how many people will see this, but i think the interpretation of 13:35 is half-right. i think this is definitely talking about the distortion world, but i think it's about volo specifically.
i see it more as "the human travels, for arceus/god whom he holds overwhelming reverence for, through the destroyed world where waterfalls rise."
if it's accurate, this is probably volo seeking out giratina to tear open the space-time rift in order to get arceus' attention.
and if THAT is true, 11:04 might be pretty similar to what you said, volo's journey TO the distortion world. something like "under the cover of dangerous night, the ambitious human arises to dark/evil places, as he crosses land and sea."
I still do not agree 100% with Volo being a time traveler, he sure knows a lot and makes you think that by looking at his plan and how long he's been working on it, but he still went to Cogita to know more about the legends. We can easily tell Cogita is a person with thousands of years, being the one that wrote the Old Verses and the lover of the Legendary Hero "Alder". When she first saw Volo she thought he might have been the one she was waiting for to tell everything she knew to save Hisui, but then when the character You play come to Hisui and Volo tells Cogita about it, she stops to tell stories to him and waits to see You player to help you get the Red Chain. If they are both either time travellers, or much older than they look, he should probably know more and doesn't need to asks Cogita for the legends of the same people they both shares the genes by being the first Sinnoh people. Hopefully what I said makes sense and can get a response.
i'm also not quite on board with him being a time traveler exactly, as there's not much to go on when assuming that he can just somehow travel through time
i do have a similar idea about him though - that he simply lives longer than most people, that he's almost like a less extreme version of AZ
he's much taller than average, seen in his concept art to be 190cm, and he says he'll conquer Arceus no matter how many decades or centuries it takes.. maybe these ancient Sinnoh people are just built different and live much longer loves naturally
@@KaiCyreus If he is an ancient Sinnoh person like Cogita that might be possible, though most of them disappeared and probably only those 2 were left. Cogita then could have children that in the future would bring the Cynthia we know.
This is my favorite Legends Arceus theory now. Thank you guys for dissecting all of this, that must have been so much work!
Thank you Toby! Ever since I first played arceus and saw these hieroglyphics I was waiting for you or another poketuber to find out their meaning. My curiosity has finally been satisfied.
Been thinking about those murals alot, excited to watch this video and get your interpretation! I love that they included glyphs other than the unknown lol
Wow, the Hisuian lore is vaster than I had initially thought. Awesome theory Toby!😲
This is fascinating! However, I think the Manaphy symbol might be related to “beginnings” or “birth”; as it is the only legendary that can hatch from an egg. That’s one of the Pokémon’s big gimmicks.
It also makes a lot of sense if you were to replace this Manaphy meaning into the context of various murals. Take the last one before heading to the temple and Spear Pillar: it still makes perfectly coherent sense when swapping “traveled” into “born”.
I'm so impressed by this! One of my fave mysteries from Legends Arceus, and this theory makes so much sense! Thanks Toby 😊
Thanks for watching ^_^
I could see some of these being on to something, but others are a reach or redundant. Manaphy for example is the prince of the sea, which could be referring to royalty, perhaps Volo was a member of royalty among the ancient Celestica people. Avalugg resembles a structure or platform, and my guess is it's referring to the Temple of Sinnoh.
it would make the one around 13:30 from a human travels, to "a human king"
I’m gonna be honest, I read the hieroglyphs at 16:00 as “Today, we use our power to fell a god!” Too much of my headspace is taken up by Xenoblade Chronicles, isn’t it?
This is so cool that u we're able to find almost a secret story in the game. I was also thinking that Manaphy might also mean Prince or royalty but, I guess that doesn't really fit. I love this theory though!
When you come across the first mural, you are told outright that it's about the original hero.
Although, as you progress and befriend the 10 pokemon that were loyal to the original hero, it's meant to instil the feeling that you're basically mirroring the steps taken by the original hero, so it makes sense that the first mural would seem to apply to either of you equally.
Otherwise, there's a lot of good logic applied here, but as others have stated - there's too many instances of characters being used to fit for the sake of convenience.
I reckon they are all relating to the various tales of the region, rather than premonitions. If there were premonitions, why would so many relate to Volo and overlook the other mysterious time travellers in the game? If we include Volo, there's also Ingo, the player and Cogita. (Upon meeting the player, she states that they are the one she's been waiting for. It also implies that she, in some fashion has surpassed the normal life span for a human and will continue to do so. We can't say for sure that she has traversed time, but she has definitely manipulated time in some way - or rather some pokemon has performed this act for her, as is the case for every instance of space/time manipulation in the franchise canon. Since she has knowledge of events that have yet to come, it makes sense that she may have learned of these events further down the timeline and come back to play her role in them.)
In a story where time travel is an established factor, foretelling the future is much less mysterious. Even if they ARE premonitions, who's to say someone from the Legends Arceus story isn't responsible for going back in time and creating these premonitions/murals?
I wish we could get a interview with someone who works for Pokémon where we can get answers to this and bunch of other theory’s. Just confirming some of them will make us see the games in a whole new light.
Japense work environment (specially Nintendo) makes that next to impossible, so dev tend to leave picks of lore here and there hoping to be use in the future or at least as Easter eggs for themselves wich gives a lot of theories to Nintendos ip.
But yea i do wish there were iterviews with the creators and devs to see how they plan that suff.
I think the last one could also be interpreted as “an ambitious human, challenged by God, moves across time traveling across land and sea as dark times grow”. Which could refer to the player or the hero of old who is from another time or said to be from another time and has to help with the dark times the region is coming into. It is told to us in some point in the game that the time space distortion problem have happened once before with the hero of old and now the player so many that is the dark thing that is talked about. And one of the first thing in the game and one of the last things we hear Arceus say is find all of the Pokémon and then come find me, he actually challenge us.
The cut down a Pokemon and shadows one makes me think of the Sinnoh myth of the guy who killed Pokemon.
The triple shaymin could refer to the 3 pillars in Platinum you go past to get to the distortion world
that's exactly where the words i wrote on the three Shaymin come from, suggesting that the "god" in this case is in fact Giratina telling you how to reach it, or the Distortion World
I think shaymin may mean more than we have. Gratitude I think is one but it might also be worth considering purification and pollution as well as considering light and water. Just thinking about how it purified polluted areas and gets power from the pollution, but also breaks pollution into water and light. The three shaymin maybe gratitude, purity and light
aha, of course, purification, an identifying feature of the Pokémon ☆
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You guys forgot that this game was developed by Japanese people, whose language and consequently the was the stuff was encrypted is different (specifically it's the SOV structure of Japanese I'm talking about). I think that decrypting hieroglyphs should be conducted with that in mind.
theres no way the snowpoint temple is the first building in Hisui, I'm sorry there are way too many buildings of similar building material, that are broken crumbling ruins on mount coronet
@@zpick2214 Treue, they likely would have been made by thew same kinds of people at the same time
Amazing theory! Congrats to everyone who helped to figure it out. I genuinely think you cracked the code.
I also think that each symbol could have multiple meanings, since Japanese is a language that has tons of meanings for almost every word.
I was busy when this video was posted three days ago but my god it’s an excellent video and I’m really impressed with the hard work these guys put to decipher these messages
Crazy your last theory on the game is coming out just a few days after I finally caught Areceus
Woah congrats!
13:54 No, that's Veilstone's Myth. We know these myths predate Legends Arceus because the Old Verses reference them. Not sure why it's in Mt. Coronet though.
Very interesting video. The different meanings for "travel" for Wyrdeer, Basculegion, and Braviary makes sense at they are different modes of travel, but Manaphy also meaning travel just seems redundant and makes me think there must be a different meaning behind that glyph
I'm glad Arceus realized it was better to communicate via smartphone before I arrived in Hisui
I had taken screenshots of each mural to try and do exactly this, but never quite got the time. Thanks so much for sharing these people's amazing work deciphering those messages, it was really interesting to see!
great stuff and well done presentation when it comes to showcasing the symbols and words!
glad to have contributed some thoughts to this :>
Thnak you so much, it's really appreciated :D You're spot on I reckon!
@@BirdKeeperToby your theory is the first comprehensible theory about the murals
So glad you got a shout out charon!
I wish Game Freak would ever make this sort of thing even a little clearer. A hint, just an acknowledgement that they really meant something.
You interpreted Azelf and Regigigas as a "brave human" in the first one, apparently meaning the player or a hero, but later as an "ambitious human," supposedly referring to Volo, there's an obvious lack of continuity. In a lot of pictographic languages and the like, two symbols being seen together often tend to be a group that forms a new word or concept. In the case of Azelf/Regigigas being Hero, you can then use that as a base to interpret the other murals.
I've had the game since Day 1 and somehow never noticed the murals. When I saw the Coronet one though, didn't notice the drawings
Now just imagine a legends Celebi and right after the tutorial you meet with a younger Volo but they don’t introduce him right away. You as the player might not even make the connection but it’s still there bugging you and messing around in the back of your mind. Then near the end of the game the big reveal happens and it connects the two games that would be awesome. (If it does happen it would be cool if it did take place in Sinjoh)
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For the story at 14:00, there was also a story in the Canalave City library where a human cut down a Pokémon using a sword, and it caused all Pokémon to go into the tall grass. It could be a prophecy of that.
my guess is that the words at the end is meant to be the verb, following japanese word order. So, instead of "hidden dark shadows traverse water danger", we could read it as "traversing dangerous waters in the dark shadows".
Great work. Awesome video. Kudos to everyone who contributed for sure. But this just reinforces how awesome the main story of this game was. Playing it for the first time through was the most fun I’ve had playing a Pokémon game ever. Awesome stuff. Great videos. Just good vibes all around!!!
You could interpret Crestlia as dreaming and darkrai as nightmare, dark thoughts or even foreshadowing. Manaphy specifically travels great distance while basculegion travels the hisui region, so the cave about either Volo or Cyrus could also be the following
"Dreams of a far traveler, under dark guidance across seas of danger, from such a dark place rises ambitious human, crossing land and sea"
Crossing land or sea could be homage to searching far and wide
14:39 first looking at this, I thought it was describing how humans and pokemon are different, and how they never work together, because in PLA, people are seen to be afraid of pokemon.
so "them" could describe pokemon as a whole.
13:55 seems like a version of one of the Canalave Library stories, specifically the one where the guy gets a sword.
@Bird Keeper Toby, I interpret the hieroglyphs in [13:35] this way:
"As the Human travels,
I [arceus] gives human [them] abundant gifts, these benevolent gifts from beyond; take them and overcome(waterfall+ascend)." - I'm calling it as Arceus explaining the purpose of Space-time Distortions to us as players - these powerful, asynchronous pokemon are his gifts to aid us, so that we may rise above challenges to come.
I actually think that Basculegion represents vengeance. I deciphered all of these as well and got somewhat different results but I'm certain that Braviary means a fight/battle and Giratina just means Giratina much like Arceus just means Arceus.
Azelf only ever appears alongside Regigigas so I'm certain that it refers to a specific person (Volo). Also, I believe that they're interpreted the way runes are - all together. Order doesn't really matter. When you do rune casting, you read them all as a group. And also, various symbols have various interpretations based on the context of what they are paired with.
I might just make my own vid about what conclusions I came to because I don't want to spam here, but for example I got a WAY different interpretation for 10:40 but the essence is still there.
I read from the bottom up, and it essentially says "traveling with a vengeance/grudge" , then "a strong willed man ascends to a place of darkness" (keep in mind that you must climb cliffs to enter Turnback Cave), then "lying dormant is Giratina, a dark entity with a dangerous grudge" which makes sense given the fact that Giratina lives in this cave. And then the topmost line I interpreted as "a long journey (manaphy) and a dream (creselia)" which I believe highlights Volo and Giratina having a shared dream of vengeance against Arceus. And yes, it is significant that it is found in the Coastlands.
Like how the one in Moonview Arena references the spacetime rift.
I’ve been waiting SO LONG for someone to cover it THANK YOU bird keeper Toby
This is such a cool theory! It totally makes sense, and is so interesting. I love Pokémon lore in general, but the idea that Arceus or some ancient people were trying to spoil or warn us of the big twist of this game, is soooo cool!!
Thank you for making this video on this discovery!
This is by far one of my favorite videos you've done. I LOVE this, thank you so much for making it!!
I don't know what's more amazing, that Game Freak took time and did this, or that you and your friends caught onto them when no one did and deciphered them.
12:07 I personally interpret this as the tale of the Galaxy Team. "As dark and dangerous places arise, ambitious people traverse through water." As how the Galaxy Team travelled from another region when there land was pillaged by danger to Hisui, another dangerous land, to research pokemon.
14:00 This feels like it's talking about that story where a hunter kills a lot of Pokemon for food and at the end is confronted by possibly Giratina.
I feel like labeling any of these as “traversal” is just not right since there’s five that do that. However it all still works if you replace them with the specific things they traverse. Like instead of Ursaluna and Basculegion “searches traversal” it could be “land and sea”
I’ve been wanting to figure these out so long, thanks to you and Kai for alleviating this hell of a headache
For the hieroglyphs in the Regi temple at minute 15, couldnt this possibly mean:
Companionship with pokemon is unseen/unknown/uncommon in this time, yet there exists an unknown travelling (between worls) god companion (referencing Volos companion Giratina)?
Also in a way a warning of a person with a god companion (aka Volo).
15:10
First line adds up, but I say that the second and third lines can become more hopeful.
"Companionship in this Time and Place is Unknown, But if You Search For Him, God will be Your Companion."
Manaphy might also refer to bonds, as in it's pokedex its said to be able to bond with any pokemon right away. That and it's heartswap ability. The mural with the three shaymins gave me the idea because the top line might mean something along the lines of Human Bonds which could either refer to the bonds between humans, or the power in the friendship between humans and pokemon (like mega evolution.) I wasn't able to come up with something coherent for the other two lines using that interpretation though.
I did see another comment, however, that suggested Manaphy referred to royalty, and I can see that interpretation easily meaning "A human leader"( First line, "the human gives thanks to a god (arceus)"(second line, though this one is iffy,) but the last line especially: "In a land divided (Diamond v Pearl) a leader/king ascends(like ascends to the throne/is crowned)" (Palkia/Land, Kleavor/Divided, Manaphy/Royalty, Sneasler/Ascends/Rises)
i believe manaphy may be more specifically represent "returning" or "returning home". as it and phione's migration back to their birthplace is a large part of the pokemon.
Regarding the mural in Moonview Arena: Arceus could also be interpreted as Sinnoh as in Almighty Sinnoh, so it might be A Human Travels Sinnoh. Also just in the real world triplication is often done for emphasis, so the tripled Shaymin might just be an equivalent of underlining it or putting it in bold.
Great approach to these hieroglyphs! I love that we have a deep world to explore through these games, and the fact that they don't outright tell us things reminds me of Gen 3 with the regis.
That said, as with all first interpretations, I feel like some of these were a stretch. I also wonder if we are intended to read them right to left, or left to right? Though it seems in many cases that wouldn't change the meaning by a lot. Having studied Greek, it is a good reminder that the order of English is not the common order for grammar around the world, and I think that is helpful as we approach translating these hieroglyphs.
That the hieroglyphs are in places apart from the ruins that hold unown and Braille symbols has me suspect that they are far older, especially since the ruins they are found in are more damaged, suggesting that most of the Celestic people were driven out to the extent that Cogita is the only current descendant in the game. This makes sense with the arrival of the pearl and diamond clans but I wonder if it goes deeper. Like the presence of Braille at snowpoint temple near to the pearl settlement suggests it is their own scripts, whilst the diamond clan being near the solaceon ruins with the unown script connects them to it.
So much fun speculation to be had!
*holding up a big sign and chanting in the background* CHARON! CHARON!! CHARON!!! 🙌
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13:30 the three shaman could represent three gifts in which they show their gratitude
ive been enthralled with those hyrogliphs since i first noticed them. thank you for quelling my curiosity.
I think the Manaphy refers to how the player character and how they came from a distant world, from across the sea of sorts, we did start at a beach, as if we came from across the sea like Manaphy
Gravity applies to Giratina as well.
This is 2 months after this video buy there is a tie in between manaphy and being a prince or nobility. Prince could also mean to represent someone young or naive, not yet ready to take command or rule. And if manaphy and palkia appear, maybe it means a kingdom or country. Just a thought
I think the mural at 13:02 isn't talking about the distortion world but what you need to do to repair the cut in space.
I think it goes
A Hero travels
With god and three gifts
To damaged space he travels upward.
This is the best we can get, I think. The alternative is just that they were randomly chosen, which isn't compelling since Arceus is used sparingly.
I haven't gotten past Deertrack Heights yet, but I never noticed the hieroglyphs there! Very interesting!
I didn't notice the Deertrack one until the story brought me there.
Did I ever even find the Moonview one?
12:34 - 13:36
Maybe it's "3 offerings"? Here's my guess (which isnt too different from what you guess):
"A human" "Is sent" "By God" "The hero" "Must use 3 Gifts" "Or the natural flow of the world will be turned upside down (become chaotic)"
Some symbolism
When you showed Volo summoning Giratina, his hair in the back was floating up. Now that could be because he really likes Arceus and wants to summon that god
But could also symbolize how he's sort of taken over by the darkness of ambition
Darkrai also has that sort of shape on its head and Darkrai is symbolized as darkness
TOBY!!! PLEASE SEE THIS!! I actually disagree with your understanding of the inscription in the Snowpoint Temple. You described it as “companionship in this time and place is unknown, an unseen distance separates them from us”. But I think it’s directly talking about the player character and their journey in the Hisui region. The middle line I’m foggy on, but I believe it says something more along the lines of “companionship in this time and place is HIDDEN (not unknown) from an unknown distance; God accompanies us.” So it’s very similar, but the meanings are different. Rather than saying the people of Hisui have been separated from God like I believe you said, it’s rather talking about how Arceus is always with us through our journey via the Arc phone and helps us when it seems it necessary. Thanks for the awesome video Toby, I’ve been wondering this for months!
Perhaps Lilligant could also signify conflict/strife or battles. For example the line with two ursalunas could represent the search for the truth of about Sinnoh, which has led to conflict between two clans.
Honestly… I saw all the murals and didn’t look too closely, I thought they were all the same murals. I feel silly now that you’ve laid them out like this. And I have to say, I like the interpretations
The one thing we can't do in legends arceus is accessing the distortion world... but good for translating those messages I had no idea about these other than why is there a set of pokemon pictures like that.
but according to Volo the engravings did not speak of the journey that the hero made together with his Pokemon, for all the plates?
for the moonview arena I think it may be about how the human ascends towards arceus. traveling around to catch all of the pokemon, meeting arceus by gaining it's, the humans' and the pokemon's gratitude (for saving everyone?)
creating the stairs is kind of like cutting through the space to travel upwards, to god themself
it also fits with the location, that's for sure
like this it would also be like a prophecy, similar to the others
for the one about companionship in the regi temple I feel like it is quite similar to the unown messages in the alph ruins of johto
About the tidal passage’s thing, ya gotta remember that the Ginko Guild landed there too.
About the mural with the three shaymins, I had a thought it might be from Arceus' point of view. "A human travels" being you, "And God Is Very, Very, Greatful." Arceus is thankful he was able to find you as you are the only one who he deems is able to stop Volo. It's a personal thanks maybe?
Neat analysis video! Thanks so much for uploading! I think Pokemon dialogue goes way underappreciated!