@@BirdKeeperToby the wally situation I figured he fell through a ultra wormhole. We know it's not the first time this has happened. Perhaps for him not much time has passed.
I love It... I just wonder why every youtuber seems to assume that every pokemon game happens in close temporal proximity, yet everything i know about swsh tells me they happen nearly 100 years after x&y
If I remember correctly, the brass tower burned down as a result of being struck by lightning, not war or looting. Raikou represents the lightning that struck the tower, entei represents the fire that resulted, and suicune represents the rain that lugia summoned to put the fire out
I love hearing the lore of the fossil pokemon especially. Your pokemon Tempest fan region was such an inspiration, so now I am working on a Jurassic Park pokemon fan region here on TH-cam so I can work on fossil pokemon designs.
Some personal theories/headcanons: - Wally in SM: he's built different. Maybe he just looks younger? - Mina in LGPE: Could still work in a linear timeline if she's older than 20 in Gen 7, i.e. she hasn't given up her post for some reason? Idk
i mean considering Valerie's lack of aging is explained by her being a fairy type specialist, it could very well be likely that Mina has pulled some tricks with her own appearance to appear younger.
I love this timeline! Especially the closed loop between BDSP and Arceus I think Drayden’s quote of not having poke balls as a kid might be due to then gen 1-5 games being in the non mega evolution timeline. Since red and blue is set in 1990’s Japan where the first pokedex is meant to be completed by Red and Blue and Professor Oak wasn’t able to do as a child. Given their similar age I imagine pokéballs were a new invention around professor Oak’s time as a trainer but after Drayden. I also believe due to the infinity energy incident caused by the weapon as alluded to by Zinnia in the delta episode, this caused a timeline split to occur: 1. Original gens 1-5 with no fairy type or advanced battle mechanics 2. Mega evolution timeline including fairy type, Z moves and D-Max 3. Let’s go timeline as red blue and green (looking as they do in original gen 1 and the manga) did their journey 3 years prior to player character making their pokedexes on paper as opposed to a pokedex, and mega evolution, fairy type and Fairy trial captain being younger as they’re on an alternate timeline and different order of events
Im not sure if this matters but could Draydon's quote not mean that pokéballs weren't mass produced so therefore it cost much more to buy one. This is consistant with new inventions in our history., such as televisions. But that's my guess. Or they were just fairly new as aforementioned in the video.
I agree except for Let's Go being on a separate timeline; there is no other Kanto game in the Mega Timeline and the events of LEt's Go fit into the Mega Timeline if we assume they are a much earlier point of it compared to Sun and Moon. There is no conflict of events that I can see with Let's Go being one of if not the earliest game in the Mega Timeline.
29:11 !!!! I love how you put all the effort in investigating even the small nuances of the Pokémon world!! In all honesty I always look forward to watch your videos, I’ve been watching since 2016!! Your theory make love the Pokémon games so much more, thank you for your hard work!!💙
Amazing video, y'all! This is awesome (and also incredibly useful for something I'm working on lol, thank y'all for getting this out now). Good job to both of you.
I always love listening to anything timeline/history of types of videos. They're really easy to put on in the background whilst working on other things
12:25 The Burned (formerly Brass) tower was struck by lightning, according to the games, and subsequently burned before being extinguished by a sudden downpour. The three Pokemon that perished in the event were reborn by Ho-Oh, and were thought to be named after what happened. The Burned Tower page on Bulbapedia states that this event occurred about 150 years prior to the timeline of GSC (so approximately 550 years after their construction). Morty's ancestors were said to have worshipped the legendary Pokemon at the top of the towers.
Beat me to the punch on that. It did also said that when the three Pokémon died in the tower, Ho-Oh revived them as representations of that event. Raikou represents the lightning that stuck the tower, Entei represents the fire that burned the tower, and Suicune represents the rain/storm that put out the flames.
I got sick and have been binge watching timeline vids to past the time, thanks for the extreme insight, really interesting and ur helping me get thru my sickness :3
Hey Toby! 29:01 and you’re so so very welcome! Your vids are amazing, and this one is incredibly well done and I’ll definitely be saving it as a reference point for timeline shenanigans moving forward! Thanks for all the hard work you put in!
29:00 Hi Toby! The timelines are fun, but it's also easy to think things line up more closely than they do. Two things can happen in 1996 and still happen 10 months apart. And people will say, "That happened 3,000 years ago." for decades if not longer. So, for example, it's possible AZ's weapon woke up Eternatus... or they could have happened years or decades apart. The Darkest Day could have even been earlier. But beyond just the vagaries of time itself, I can't see any flaws in your timeline off the top of my head.
What i find interesting is that during the darkest day, the sky is obscured as if by a shield. What if eternatus blocked the shot from the ancient weapon, and that's why there are no megas in Galar? That would mean Galar might have been the target for the target all along. Now we just have to find a reason why a region based on France didn't get along with one based on the UK.
We get Spain as next Generation, and, when UK and France clash (makes sense though the history in RW) happened 3k Yrs ago, I think, it was around 3000 - 2900 BC. Then the U.Weapon incident happened. But back to my theory. We get maybe Germany as Gen 10 or 11 due the historical contexts of the new gens. (Expect Alola) Gen 6's Farthest East point is btw Somewhere between Saarbrücken and Rehlingen-Siersburg when we lay Kalos over France. I even will wild guessing and say that the Omega Cave gets in Gen 10 a passage for Kalos and the German region. Would make perfectly sense, since historical thsese regions changed a lot the assignments. What also can be happen would be a Saarland based Region. Big enough is it. Technically it's so much possible, even that I may scratch the surface. I really want a Pokémon which is settled in a theme like the TES and/or The Witcher series (Middle age). Ah, Hisui's timeline doesn't fit to 1800. I even say it's 1600 - 1700. But you forget 4 games: Pokémon Ranger 1-3 and Pokémon Conquest. (Conquest is easy, since the Generals are from the せんほく(Sengoku)-Time. And for the main Char from that game, I guess it's either Oichis lover, or a Pokémonized version of either SWC 1 or 3's Protagonists (atleast Male).
Addition: Even more things can happened which we never know. After all, I think, that even the Pokédex is older as from RBGG (Gen 1) mentioned. So or so, ORAS happened at almost exactly same time as RSE (alteast the Delta Ep.) but they maybe say there things which says for me that we have here a Hoenn from a parallel universe. That would explain u.a. the wormhole theory for Wally. Sun and Moon have one more Evidence to BW, which may say they happen around 2014. One of the Æther employees mentiones something with rescuing Pokémon and other things which sounds similar to either N's Plasma while BW, or N's Plasma while BW2. Then would make sense that the E4 from Unova was according the Artbook 2 yrs ago in the E4.
And as a end: I rather prefer to scale the timeline with the development start of the games - then some texts or other oddities makes sense then. And the porygon texts.... They make no sense - 20 yrs, and we know, that Gen 1 is older as just 1996. The old Hotel in Prismania City is a evidence when really Pokémon would happen - around 1985 or 1986 maybe.
i’m not going to lie that theory about BDSP and Arceus seems way to accurate to not be true. Appreciate all the work that went into this and now my mind can rest for another 2 months until SV comes out
29:10 Another amazing video Toby! been watching for years and it never ceases to amaze me how much effort and thought you put into your videos. You rock, keep up the amazing content 😄
Out of curiosity, do you think we'll get more installments of the Legends games? There's so many mysteries in the past that these games could fill out. Like what DID destroy the towers of Ho-oh and Lugia?
I think it would be dumb if they didn't in my personal opinion. But it could just be a one off like Let's Go was. There are rumors that they was to return to Johto. But that could be either Let's Go or Legends. If it is a Legends game however, I think they would have to include Kanto as well because Johto/Kanto alone are way too small to have a Legend's game for.
@@iceman3317 to be fair it doesn’t even have to take place in the far past for Kanto. Lt. Surge kept talking about ‘the war’. They could easily set up Legends as games with more mature stories for the older Pokémon fans. Considering that a lot of the og players are now in their 30’s and 40’s, I’m sure they would appreciate more mature stories about the history of the games they grew up with.
I absolutely love timeline videos and I love looking at Pokémon lore and how different things the NPC’s say connect to one another across different games it’s so interesting especially as a longtime fan I love seeing connections and call backs
It's one of my favorite parts of doing research into the Pokémon games! The thrill of stumbling across easy-to-miss details strewn about the games is a feeling I'll never get tired of lol
29 mins! I love video game lore and like figuring out mythologies, especially when their not fully laid out in the media itself. Gives room for theories, ideas, and head-canon that everyone can enjoy in their own ways!
I love the lore of the pokemon world, so thank you for all the effort you put into making these videos. I always took Drayden's comment about not having pokeballs as a kid as something HE did not have, not that they would not exist in the entire world per se. I mean, how big is the world view of a kid?
On the subject of Mina in LGPE//Alternate timeline speculation... We know there were 4~5* Trainers from Pallet Town who all set out on their Journeys on the same day. And there are at least 5 total Starters in Kanto specifically... But what if Mina, the ARTIST also started her Journey around the same time? The 3 Mascot Pokémon-Pikachu, Eevee, AND Clefairy would fit this alternate take on Kanto...
It also could be possible that because your sent back in time with a cell phone in legends it would explain why technology there has rapidly progressed as opposed to our timeline. As we see with them using portals
I think you nailed it, but I think it might be at least 3 timelines at work with the games. Also, considering that ultra wormholes is a thing and ultra sun and ultra moon is supposedly a different dimension/timeline, it's fair to add more timelines to fix more issues I would think.
I am really enjoying this timeline! I just wanted to point out however that Legends Arceus takes place in the meiji period of Japanese history, which was between 1868 and 1912. This would place LA no later than about 158 years on the timeline rather than 300. I hope I'm not coming off as discouraging of your work, I'm just really into history, especially the 1800s haha
Yeah, I was really confused where "300 years" came from as well. I'm also confused as to where "100 years ago" came from for the burned tower, as it's stated it was 150 years before GSC, which take place very shortly after RBG. Brass tower burned around the same time as the events of PLA.
29:08 Just hit the end card. I love how much thought the two of you put into this! I can’t wait to see if S/V match up, or if (theory time - spoiler warning) they’ll be set at different times from *each other*, one in the primal past and the other in the technological future.
Fantastic video! :) I disagree about the placement of ORAS and Let's Go because I find the evidence for them occurring later in the timeline much more compelling. But I love all the research put into this video. Leave no stone unturned, haha! :)
Thank you so much for making this!!! This helps make sense of things. Thank you for all the hard work, and for the awesome collaboration with Ramnus. :) Take care!
29:05 was my time stamp! I enjoy watching these videos. I watched all of your Pokemon evolution tree videos. I found it highly compelling and thoughtful!
12:23 I thought I was a storm that did it a “lightning bolt” struck it then it burst into “flames” and then “rain” put the fires out and that’s how the legendary beast got there typings
The thoroughness you bring to all of your videos is always so impressive! Great work parsing out the timeline! And Toby, based on that 3000 years ago disappearance comment, I think we need to do a follow up to that Melmetal theory, because you gave me a brain blast! ✨
Hello there, Toby. 28:54 I like the idea that we have 'naturally made' and 'artificially made' Pokéballs, with Kurt practising traditional techniques and young Prof Oak having a sort of analogue mechanical one and then finally we have the modern-day digital Pokéball. Some regions had traditional ones early on before advancements in communication made the world 'smaller'. Other places got the more modern ones when it was a factory-made product able to be mass-produced and marketable. With only explorers, the rich and nobility having seen the pre-existing traditional counterparts.
One of my favorite instances of pokemon continuity is in Black and White fighting Cynthia. It no longer refers to her as "Pokemon Champion" but "Pokemon Trainer" Cynthia, meaning that Dawn/Lucas are the champions at that point.
As I am late to the party this is probably going to be buried but is a small theory I have made after noticing how the timeline of Professor Rowan's trip to Kanto and certain events at the time lineup. Rowan travels to Kanto 4 years prior to D/P/Pt/BD/SP which either takes place 1 year before RGBY/FRLG or during this time. Rowan studies the evolution of Pokemon. One might wonder why he left Sinnoh the place where Arceus is for Kanto. Lookong at the tineline this would coincide with the creation of Porygon/Mewtwo. It is my belief that Rowan went to Kanto because he heard about the creation of an artificial Pokemon and wanted to study thks creature to find out how it fits into the theory of Pokemon evolution. So there you go a small theory but one that I feel makes sense.
I love these kind of videos Toby, where you go into so much detail of things and explain them here. It only shows how deep the history of the games behind this franchise really goes.
Another great theory video tobey thanks for spear heading and documenting this pokemon universe information in a much more fun and easy way to understand 👌
I figured the reason Wally was so young still was because his main pokemon gardevoir(now known as a fairy type) probably used its fairy abilities to keep Wally young.
Long time viewer, first time comment, at around 29:00 minutes as per your request. Seriously love tour content! Definitely among the S class of Poketubers. Can't wait to see you continue to do all of the great work you've built up over the last several years.
I dont really care about pokemon, i watched the first couple of seasons back in the late 90s when i was a freshmen in high school and I have never played a single game other than dabbling with pkgo since it came out. I however found your telling of all of this interesting enough to sit through a 30 min video. I commend you for having a passion about something and finding happiness in it, you may find as you get older that this is a rare thing and you should treasure it. I hope you find this message in good health and happiness and keep on rocking in the free world...doot doo da loot doo...
Just wow, I begun to write a pokemon rpg with world building around last Halloween and your time line helped me very much thx ^^. I'm a big fan of your evolution tree and all you theories.
29:00 love your videos Toby you're an absolute beast and I'm looking forward to putting up the newest tree of evolution next to my old one when you're done.
The first like 15 min of Pokemon : Lucario and the Mystery of Mew. Is still the most fascinating Pokemon lore I’ve seen that has not even been mentioned since
28:32 I just defeated team rocket in let’s go eevee while watching/listening to the vid. Appreciate you and you’re “manic nature” feels like at any point your background is gonna have clip art and strings all leading to the middle of something lmao
29:32 You’re one of my favorite Poketubers! I always look forward to your videos-especially theory videos-because they’re well-researched and topnotch!!!
I appreciate that there are people who care about timelines. Makes me want to focus on developing a universe and it’s fun to see
I started to do this with friends back in February. We aren't even half done. But super cool that you got it!
Thbaks ^_^
@@BirdKeeperToby No thank you!
This was certainly a labor of love! Thank you very much and I encourage you to continue your thing with your friends!
@@BirdKeeperToby the wally situation I figured he fell through a ultra wormhole. We know it's not the first time this has happened. Perhaps for him not much time has passed.
Pookkeeemoon
I really hope you love this one ^_^
I love It...
I just wonder why every youtuber seems to assume that every pokemon game happens in close temporal proximity, yet everything i know about swsh tells me they happen nearly 100 years after x&y
I sure did 👍
Absolutely
I did and the time when you stopped talking about theory was at roughly 29:00
It's splendid!
If I remember correctly, the brass tower burned down as a result of being struck by lightning, not war or looting. Raikou represents the lightning that struck the tower, entei represents the fire that resulted, and suicune represents the rain that lugia summoned to put the fire out
This.
I love hearing the lore of the fossil pokemon especially. Your pokemon Tempest fan region was such an inspiration, so now I am working on a Jurassic Park pokemon fan region here on TH-cam so I can work on fossil pokemon designs.
Pokemon Tempest is the best! I'll check yours out too.
Aw thanks so much ^_^
Ayee keep it up
@@BirdKeeperToby Thanks! Also, 28:56! Finally got to the end. This was an awesome video!
I whould play this game tonne lol
So comprehensive, I love it! Thanks for taking the time to make it :D
Holy snap crackers its one of my favorite scary story narrators! So cool to know you're also a pokemon fan 🥳
A wild Mortis Media appeared!
Some personal theories/headcanons:
- Wally in SM: he's built different. Maybe he just looks younger?
- Mina in LGPE: Could still work in a linear timeline if she's older than 20 in Gen 7, i.e. she hasn't given up her post for some reason? Idk
i mean considering Valerie's lack of aging is explained by her being a fairy type specialist, it could very well be likely that Mina has pulled some tricks with her own appearance to appear younger.
Wally could be the same as Valerie as well, his signature pokemon is the ralts family which are all fairies.
I love this timeline! Especially the closed loop between BDSP and Arceus
I think Drayden’s quote of not having poke balls as a kid might be due to then gen 1-5 games being in the non mega evolution timeline. Since red and blue is set in 1990’s Japan where the first pokedex is meant to be completed by Red and Blue and Professor Oak wasn’t able to do as a child. Given their similar age I imagine pokéballs were a new invention around professor Oak’s time as a trainer but after Drayden.
I also believe due to the infinity energy incident caused by the weapon as alluded to by Zinnia in the delta episode, this caused a timeline split to occur:
1. Original gens 1-5 with no fairy type or advanced battle mechanics
2. Mega evolution timeline including fairy type, Z moves and D-Max
3. Let’s go timeline as red blue and green (looking as they do in original gen 1 and the manga) did their journey 3 years prior to player character making their pokedexes on paper as opposed to a pokedex, and mega evolution, fairy type and Fairy trial captain being younger as they’re on an alternate timeline and different order of events
I like this
Im not sure if this matters but could Draydon's quote not mean that pokéballs weren't mass produced so therefore it cost much more to buy one. This is consistant with new inventions in our history., such as televisions. But that's my guess. Or they were just fairly new as aforementioned in the video.
I agree except for Let's Go being on a separate timeline; there is no other Kanto game in the Mega Timeline and the events of LEt's Go fit into the Mega Timeline if we assume they are a much earlier point of it compared to Sun and Moon. There is no conflict of events that I can see with Let's Go being one of if not the earliest game in the Mega Timeline.
29:00, love your theory videos man! This time line video was great to see put together, keep up the great work as always!
29:11 !!!! I love how you put all the effort in investigating even the small nuances of the Pokémon world!! In all honesty I always look forward to watch your videos, I’ve been watching since 2016!! Your theory make love the Pokémon games so much more, thank you for your hard work!!💙
Amazing video, y'all! This is awesome (and also incredibly useful for something I'm working on lol, thank y'all for getting this out now). Good job to both of you.
Aw amaizng glad you enjoyed ^_^
Thanks, my friend!
I always love listening to anything timeline/history of types of videos. They're really easy to put on in the background whilst working on other things
22:14 Just a minor correction, the term is "ludonarrative dissonance" :) great vid guys!
“little narrative” is sweet tho 😂
It amazes me how you can so consistently put out quality content, I didn’t even notice I was listening for half an hour
12:25 The Burned (formerly Brass) tower was struck by lightning, according to the games, and subsequently burned before being extinguished by a sudden downpour. The three Pokemon that perished in the event were reborn by Ho-Oh, and were thought to be named after what happened. The Burned Tower page on Bulbapedia states that this event occurred about 150 years prior to the timeline of GSC (so approximately 550 years after their construction). Morty's ancestors were said to have worshipped the legendary Pokemon at the top of the towers.
Beat me to the punch on that. It did also said that when the three Pokémon died in the tower, Ho-Oh revived them as representations of that event. Raikou represents the lightning that stuck the tower, Entei represents the fire that burned the tower, and Suicune represents the rain/storm that put out the flames.
I got sick and have been binge watching timeline vids to past the time, thanks for the extreme insight, really interesting and ur helping me get thru my sickness :3
Hey Toby! 29:01 and you’re so so very welcome! Your vids are amazing, and this one is incredibly well done and I’ll definitely be saving it as a reference point for timeline shenanigans moving forward! Thanks for all the hard work you put in!
29:02 Hey Toby!! I'm frankly blown away by how comprehensive this is. It's definitely my go-to timeline for the Pokemon universe now.
29:00 Hi Toby!
The timelines are fun, but it's also easy to think things line up more closely than they do. Two things can happen in 1996 and still happen 10 months apart. And people will say, "That happened 3,000 years ago." for decades if not longer. So, for example, it's possible AZ's weapon woke up Eternatus... or they could have happened years or decades apart. The Darkest Day could have even been earlier.
But beyond just the vagaries of time itself, I can't see any flaws in your timeline off the top of my head.
Very true very true
What i find interesting is that during the darkest day, the sky is obscured as if by a shield. What if eternatus blocked the shot from the ancient weapon, and that's why there are no megas in Galar?
That would mean Galar might have been the target for the target all along. Now we just have to find a reason why a region based on France didn't get along with one based on the UK.
We get Spain as next Generation, and, when UK and France clash (makes sense though the history in RW) happened 3k Yrs ago, I think, it was around 3000 - 2900 BC. Then the U.Weapon incident happened.
But back to my theory. We get maybe Germany as Gen 10 or 11 due the historical contexts of the new gens. (Expect Alola) Gen 6's Farthest East point is btw Somewhere between Saarbrücken and Rehlingen-Siersburg when we lay Kalos over France. I even will wild guessing and say that the Omega Cave gets in Gen 10 a passage for Kalos and the German region. Would make perfectly sense, since historical thsese regions changed a lot the assignments. What also can be happen would be a Saarland based Region. Big enough is it. Technically it's so much possible, even that I may scratch the surface. I really want a Pokémon which is settled in a theme like the TES and/or The Witcher series (Middle age). Ah, Hisui's timeline doesn't fit to 1800. I even say it's 1600 - 1700. But you forget 4 games: Pokémon Ranger 1-3 and Pokémon Conquest. (Conquest is easy, since the Generals are from the せんほく(Sengoku)-Time. And for the main Char from that game, I guess it's either Oichis lover, or a Pokémonized version of either SWC 1 or 3's Protagonists (atleast Male).
Addition:
Even more things can happened which we never know. After all, I think, that even the Pokédex is older as from RBGG (Gen 1) mentioned. So or so, ORAS happened at almost exactly same time as RSE (alteast the Delta Ep.) but they maybe say there things which says for me that we have here a Hoenn from a parallel universe. That would explain u.a. the wormhole theory for Wally.
Sun and Moon have one more Evidence to BW, which may say they happen around 2014. One of the Æther employees mentiones something with rescuing Pokémon and other things which sounds similar to either N's Plasma while BW, or N's Plasma while BW2. Then would make sense that the E4 from Unova was according the Artbook 2 yrs ago in the E4.
And as a end: I rather prefer to scale the timeline with the development start of the games - then some texts or other oddities makes sense then. And the porygon texts.... They make no sense - 20 yrs, and we know, that Gen 1 is older as just 1996.
The old Hotel in Prismania City is a evidence when really Pokémon would happen - around 1985 or 1986 maybe.
Love how you guys gave a logical explanation for Wally as uncannon when right before you explained I yelled "It's because he's dead"
Begging y'all to at least *recognize* the theory that Wally is just short. He was a chronically ill child, that can easily affect someone's height!
Ahahah it’s possible :’)
i’m not going to lie that theory about BDSP and Arceus seems way to accurate to not be true. Appreciate all the work that went into this and now my mind can rest for another 2 months until SV comes out
29:10 Another amazing video Toby! been watching for years and it never ceases to amaze me how much effort and thought you put into your videos. You rock, keep up the amazing content 😄
Awww thank you so much ^_^
I really appreciate this, I'm crafting a DND style campaign and this has given me a lot of info I've needed
Out of curiosity, do you think we'll get more installments of the Legends games? There's so many mysteries in the past that these games could fill out. Like what DID destroy the towers of Ho-oh and Lugia?
I think it would be dumb if they didn't in my personal opinion. But it could just be a one off like Let's Go was. There are rumors that they was to return to Johto. But that could be either Let's Go or Legends. If it is a Legends game however, I think they would have to include Kanto as well because Johto/Kanto alone are way too small to have a Legend's game for.
Not to mention we know nothing at all about Kanto's past. Kanto doesn't even have any ruins or anything. So it cannot stand along in a Legends game.
@@iceman3317 to be fair it doesn’t even have to take place in the far past for Kanto. Lt. Surge kept talking about ‘the war’. They could easily set up Legends as games with more mature stories for the older Pokémon fans.
Considering that a lot of the og players are now in their 30’s and 40’s, I’m sure they would appreciate more mature stories about the history of the games they grew up with.
I absolutely love timeline videos and I love looking at Pokémon lore and how different things the NPC’s say connect to one another across different games it’s so interesting especially as a longtime fan I love seeing connections and call backs
It's one of my favorite parts of doing research into the Pokémon games! The thrill of stumbling across easy-to-miss details strewn about the games is a feeling I'll never get tired of lol
22:16 there’s a spelling error. The text says “little narrative” however the individual is saying “Ludonarrative”
29 mins! I love video game lore and like figuring out mythologies, especially when their not fully laid out in the media itself. Gives room for theories, ideas, and head-canon that everyone can enjoy in their own ways!
I love the lore of the pokemon world, so thank you for all the effort you put into making these videos. I always took Drayden's comment about not having pokeballs as a kid as something HE did not have, not that they would not exist in the entire world per se. I mean, how big is the world view of a kid?
Until I watched your videos I had no idea how to fit the all of the vast majority of pokemon in one timeline. you are a genius!
On the subject of Mina in LGPE//Alternate timeline speculation...
We know there were 4~5* Trainers from Pallet Town who all set out on their Journeys on the same day.
And there are at least 5 total Starters in Kanto specifically...
But what if Mina, the ARTIST also started her Journey around the same time? The 3 Mascot Pokémon-Pikachu, Eevee, AND Clefairy would fit this alternate take on Kanto...
Interesting idea, I love it
Thoroughly enjoyed this. You and Ramnus explained this very well and it made for a very entertaining video!
It also could be possible that because your sent back in time with a cell phone in legends it would explain why technology there has rapidly progressed as opposed to our timeline. As we see with them using portals
BKT: The pokemon timeline is confusing
Fnaf timeline: Am I a joke to you
I think you nailed it, but I think it might be at least 3 timelines at work with the games. Also, considering that ultra wormholes is a thing and ultra sun and ultra moon is supposedly a different dimension/timeline, it's fair to add more timelines to fix more issues I would think.
29:32 This is insane, well done Toby and Ramnus, great theory and really complete ^^
I am really enjoying this timeline! I just wanted to point out however that Legends Arceus takes place in the meiji period of Japanese history, which was between 1868 and 1912. This would place LA no later than about 158 years on the timeline rather than 300.
I hope I'm not coming off as discouraging of your work, I'm just really into history, especially the 1800s haha
Yeah, I was really confused where "300 years" came from as well.
I'm also confused as to where "100 years ago" came from for the burned tower, as it's stated it was 150 years before GSC, which take place very shortly after RBG.
Brass tower burned around the same time as the events of PLA.
The 300 years ago comes from the first reveal trailer for pla if I remember correctly.
I appreciate videos like this. Have always been curious about the timeline of Pokémon but never really did a deep dive into it
29:08 Just hit the end card. I love how much thought the two of you put into this! I can’t wait to see if S/V match up, or if (theory time - spoiler warning)
they’ll be set at different times from *each other*, one in the primal past and the other in the technological future.
Ty ty ^_^ I’m not sure aboht that but fun to think about
i doubt it bc of Nemona
@@BirdKeeperToby yeah, I thought it was kinda Farfetch’d, but I thought it would be fun to bring up nonetheless
Thank you very much! I'm very excited to find out how SV might fit into our framework!
29:08 Well done sir, a very comprehensive lesson on the history of this beloved world!
Fantastic video! :) I disagree about the placement of ORAS and Let's Go because I find the evidence for them occurring later in the timeline much more compelling. But I love all the research put into this video. Leave no stone unturned, haha! :)
Gamefreak: let's ignore the timelines
Pokemon Fans: How about we focus on timelines
Thank you so much for making this!!! This helps make sense of things. Thank you for all the hard work, and for the awesome collaboration with Ramnus. :) Take care!
Amazing video, keep it up
As a big pokemon fan, idk how I haven't found your channel, until now. Definitely subscribed!
29:05 was my time stamp! I enjoy watching these videos. I watched all of your Pokemon evolution tree videos. I found it highly compelling and thoughtful!
12:23 I thought I was a storm that did it a “lightning bolt” struck it then it burst into “flames” and then “rain” put the fires out and that’s how the legendary beast got there typings
The thoroughness you bring to all of your videos is always so impressive! Great work parsing out the timeline!
And Toby, based on that 3000 years ago disappearance comment, I think we need to do a follow up to that Melmetal theory, because you gave me a brain blast! ✨
Hello there, Toby.
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I like the idea that we have 'naturally made' and 'artificially made' Pokéballs, with Kurt practising traditional techniques and young Prof Oak having a sort of analogue mechanical one and then finally we have the modern-day digital Pokéball.
Some regions had traditional ones early on before advancements in communication made the world 'smaller'. Other places got the more modern ones when it was a factory-made product able to be mass-produced and marketable.
With only explorers, the rich and nobility having seen the pre-existing traditional counterparts.
One of my favorite instances of pokemon continuity is in Black and White fighting Cynthia. It no longer refers to her as "Pokemon Champion" but "Pokemon Trainer" Cynthia, meaning that Dawn/Lucas are the champions at that point.
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I love the timeliness and I think this is one of the most concise ones I've seen
Very well done
29:32
Thanks for doing this! I've always been fascinated by the Pokémon timelines and multiverse.
This is the kind of video that brought me here, and the reason I stay around. Thanks, Toby!
Anytime ^_^
dealing with pokemon you and logstin are the main ones i watch for pokemon history and this kind of information background of pokemon, keep it up.
Pokemon world tournament isn't canon. It's like a what if fan service tournament
LOVED the video from start to finish! This is so my kind of Pokemon thing!
As I am late to the party this is probably going to be buried but is a small theory I have made after noticing how the timeline of Professor Rowan's trip to Kanto and certain events at the time lineup. Rowan travels to Kanto 4 years prior to D/P/Pt/BD/SP which either takes place 1 year before RGBY/FRLG or during this time. Rowan studies the evolution of Pokemon. One might wonder why he left Sinnoh the place where Arceus is for Kanto. Lookong at the tineline this would coincide with the creation of Porygon/Mewtwo. It is my belief that Rowan went to Kanto because he heard about the creation of an artificial Pokemon and wanted to study thks creature to find out how it fits into the theory of Pokemon evolution. So there you go a small theory but one that I feel makes sense.
29 mins. Love your stuff, Toby! Always look forward to your videos!!
29:03 *Luigi deep voice* "Hello Toby"
i literally gasped out loud when i saw the title!! so excited for this!!
I love these kind of videos Toby, where you go into so much detail of things and explain them here. It only shows how deep the history of the games behind this franchise really goes.
Tremendous Effort Here. Good Job!
Another great theory video tobey thanks for spear heading and documenting this pokemon universe information in a much more fun and easy way to understand 👌
the part at the end about bdsp looping back to legends totally blew my mind i love it!!
29:03 really good video Toby keep it up
I figured the reason Wally was so young still was because his main pokemon gardevoir(now known as a fairy type) probably used its fairy abilities to keep Wally young.
29:15. Love the easy to understand time line. It was super fun to watch.
Thank you! I'm glad to hear that this was easy to understand because it certainly wasn't easy working all this out in certain places lol
Amazing video! Watched the whole thing on my actual tv!
Just shy of 30 minutes Toby, thank you very much for another amazing video!
29:29 truly thorough and well down video. phenomenal job
29:00
I'm definitely looking forward to what may come! Thank you for the great content and fly high Bird Keeper!
Long time viewer, first time comment, at around 29:00 minutes as per your request. Seriously love tour content! Definitely among the S class of Poketubers. Can't wait to see you continue to do all of the great work you've built up over the last several years.
This was pretty darn cool, I must say. The collab was neat as well.
I love deep dives into lore like this-thanks for the vid!
The time code is 29:30 and I have watched it all at x1 speed for that quality content
I dont really care about pokemon, i watched the first couple of seasons back in the late 90s when i was a freshmen in high school and I have never played a single game other than dabbling with pkgo since it came out. I however found your telling of all of this interesting enough to sit through a 30 min video. I commend you for having a passion about something and finding happiness in it, you may find as you get older that this is a rare thing and you should treasure it. I hope you find this message in good health and happiness and keep on rocking in the free world...doot doo da loot doo...
Just wow, I begun to write a pokemon rpg with world building around last Halloween and your time line helped me very much thx ^^. I'm a big fan of your evolution tree and all you theories.
This beyond comprehensive. Fantastic job!!
I love how you highlight major events! Keep up the timeline tracing!
Made it the whole way through. Awesome video!!
My Favorite Pokemon video this year
I’m a sucker for timeline videos 🤣
Oh! This is my type of video! Absolutely beautiful honestly =O
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First video of yours I watched, and I instantly subscribed. I greatly enjoyed this timeline. Superbly interesting
29:00 love your videos Toby you're an absolute beast and I'm looking forward to putting up the newest tree of evolution next to my old one when you're done.
The first like 15 min of Pokemon : Lucario and the Mystery of Mew. Is still the most fascinating Pokemon lore I’ve seen that has not even been mentioned since
28:32 I just defeated team rocket in let’s go eevee while watching/listening to the vid. Appreciate you and you’re “manic nature” feels like at any point your background is gonna have clip art and strings all leading to the middle of something lmao
it all makes sense now thanks for making this video! ;)
Great video I watched your first timeline vid and it was good also I really enjoy these type of vids I’ll watch an even longer one anytime
Honestly I don't know what to say other than connecting the games to real world dates was mind blowing! Loved what you two cooked up !
Aw thanks ^_^
Hello Tobey I love timeline stuff & this was actually really interesting & I liked it.
29:32 You’re one of my favorite Poketubers! I always look forward to your videos-especially theory videos-because they’re well-researched and topnotch!!!
1:55 Hello, fellow certain type of person!
I keep rewatching videos I’ve seen before. Stuck in a loop. Haha
28:50 this was a great video, can't wait to see more in the future
29:02 your videos help keep me awake at work I enjoy all of them. I am usually late to the party tho
As a Pokémon timeline enthusiast, this video is a new favorite of mine.
Awwww enjoy ^_^
Evolution Tree, the World Map, and the Timeline. These are my favourite series on this channel
Also 29:00 hi Toby
Glad to have found your account. Loving your content!
I love videos like this about timelines, keep it up!
I was waiting for you to say "Arceus's Betrayl (jewel of life)" 😢