fixing black characters with the racist triangle 👀
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The only way to stop a bad guy with a triangle is a good guy with a triangle.
Now that's a Marvel movie I'd watch!
Two guys with the same weapon, who will win?
I love/hate this
i giggled
i believe that's the plot of the zelda games
Racism is over you’re welcome. that was too easy🦅🇺🇸🦅
world peace is now restored
@@mawcha One day triangles will save the world
Great Job Sir. Now let's talk about the worldhunger square 👍👍
bring back the nascar jacket
@@xenolinkytblet's hope it isn't the big one with the eye
Yeah... but I think the fact that she called the "wrong" version "gorilla proportions".... it really shows that it wasn't an innocent mistake on her part.
Right
it was just a poor choice of words, i think y'all need to learn to give people benefit of the doubt. also it did look like a gorilla in all fairness, and not because the character has black features or is black, but because the jaw was literally gigantic and protruding
@@diorsse still racist af, even if not intentionally
Actually, look at our primate cousin and you'll see their chin protrude forward while humans show receding chins which in the world of humans tends to be appealing versus protruding chins or eyebrows in general
@@hertzzgames You might need help, racism is quite literally intentional. Calling an innocent mistake or thought racist when there was no ill is exactly the kind of bullshit that makes people into actual racists.
Ok... I'm an artist from Poland and NEVER in my entire life heard about this weird triangle with nose and chin. All my art teachers was saying that we have to learn to draw from nature, from real people. And only if we are very good at realistic proportions of human being we can draw in some kind of style.
Cause he's making dumb shit up lol
@@RogerCharlamangethe triangle is absolutely a thing thats taught, but it's mainly taught in internet art circles, how to draw Anime/manga books, and kids who are copying animation to learn to draw
This shit is only for losers that base their entire style on anime and manga.
It comes from Anime apparently. Here in America I’d assume there are a lot more terminally online art teachers than there are in Poland.
@@RogerCharlamangethe triangle thing is very much a thing in online internet circles. alot of ppl praise really weird and questionable guidelines and ‘correct’ art to match the guidelines even if it looked fine before,,
We solved racism with one extra triangle. We did it boys and girls
no more rasicm
Lmao
We artists doing some weird things😂😂
Racism is over
You just put the Ceo of the n-word pass out of business
As a black person I really appreciate this. For some reason a lot of people are too afraid to learn the differences drawing black people, when really learning these differences actually just makes us more comfortable and together as a humanity.
Exactly this. Its a really neat tool. It won't apply to all black faces and it doesn't need to, because styles are different and real humans are different. It won't be all black people in art as even the samples display, this is predominantly people with pronounced upper lips instead of lower lips. But it is fascinating how much this works to immediately convey a sense of "hey that character immediately looks of African descent."
Mr popo is the perfect black character since his the literal black guy.
Edit: ya know, now I start to wonder is the blue mr popo can be considered white washing
Especially since learning about the variety of human forms from observation allows us to portray actual humans rather than racist caricatures.
The "antiracist" triangle is just the consequence of the shape of the upper jaw, which does go forward, regardless of race (but does tend to be more forward among black people). The anime profile very often seemed off to me because there is this excessively receding lower face.
It's super useful. I used to just draw POC characters how I draw white ones but colour swapped, but now I'm learning how to better visually represent different groups
And talking about it actually helps more than just keep quiet
4:16 - "This cat is racist as hell!" That made my day! OMG😂
To be fair, cats are very racist.
same
@@zooble_. W pfp 😅
the way he started this vid was CRAZY
i expected this to go differently
instead he exposed racist cats and taught an art lesson💀
Lmao
"This cat is racist as hell" had me dead
Thats ethan to you!!
racist cats
like Lovecraft's cat?
@@babynyxe4784you mean heck lol
Teacher: “you need an attention-grabbing opener for your essay”
Ethan Becker: “0:00”
I'm getting flashbacks from that one Cut video😭
I subbed just because of the intro
@@starscream4812👀
HEELPP
Aye, I'm like number 1000
From an artist perspective, thanks for reminding people that rules are meant to be bent and broken. Understand them and know their utility but also move beyond them so that you aren't limited by them. Art is supposed to be unlimited creativity.
I'm a Mexican guy with very brown features, and hell this is the best advice I ever heard from someone in the industry. guidelines just make things easier and more uniform, but if they're antiquated or the style doesn't hold it up, kick it to the curb! plus I'm also southern so maybe we're just artistically built DIFFERENT
“This cat is racist as hell” is probably the best line I’ve heard in a while 😂😂
The accent just made it perfection
Absolutely LMAO
4:16
@@sanriobraincellI love people who go on comments that quote the video and reply with the timestamp thank you for your service
Lovecraft's cat:
There's this Japanese TH-camr, Shogo, and he once explained that masks were accepted more readily in Japan, because people communicate more with their eyes in Japan (he may have said in east Asia, I don't remember all details). And that made me think that anime eyes were so big, because they were the most important thing in the face to convey the emotions of a character. And the rest of the face is like built around them.
Shogo is pretty great.
@@unripetheberrby6283 Isn't he? Such a wholesome guy 😌
@@lupine9514Yeah, that's what our guy Ethan also talked about. I just wanted to add my own two cents x)
@@julyol119I am sorry I didn't watch the video when i was reading your comment :'D when i saw the part i was about to delete my message, very sorry!
@@lupine9514 No no, don't be! It would have been really cool information, if it wasn't in the video. Never feel bad about sharing cool stuff :)))
As someone who has never even remotely dabbled in art or animation of any kind...this video was incredibly hilarious to stumble upon while high.
Similar situation here, I understood nothing other than "triangles are racist"
same here, hello travellers
Aamen
Same. I have no fucking clue what he's talking about.
im both an artist AND high and its hilarious to me too.
basically hes giving a solution to a problem where some artists will draw black characters with the proportions of white characters, when most black people dont have the same facial proportions as white people. hes using guidelines to show how to tweak the proportions of a character's face to make them actually look black. and hes being really casual funny about it to boot
Honestly I think it's so awesome that he took the time to credit the artists he used for examples at the end and ACTUALLY going to their pages to show their art. Usually people just go "Oh credit to the artist who made this :P" and do basically nothing other than that. It's nice to see how much he cares about other artists and the recognition they should get for making such amazing art :)
My professor always told me “you should learn the rules of anatomy before you can break them.”it’s helped me a lot.
my art professor said that as well; “i want you to know the human anatomy down to the skeleton before you make it your own”
I heard that Vincent Van Gogh said basically "Now that I've learned how to draw things correctly, why should anyone get to tell me I can't draw them however I want?" Which, I'd never be able to find the quote again, but I like the principle.
In my way of thinking, the path of art goes through basic stages. First, you doodle -- no knowledge of the rules or any sense of structure, just establishing some basic skills. Then you're an amateur, with no rules but you're actively trying to achieve something with your art, even if you have no idea how to do it. Neither of these are bad, by the way: If you're going to get anywhere with your art, you need to pass through these stages first, and if you decide to never go any further, so what? If you're enjoying the art form, just keep on enjoying it. No one gets to say that you "should" (let alone "must") work your way up to a higher level.
(Just like people who are enjoying Rock Band or Guitar Hero don't need to work on learning a "real" instrument, and people who are writing hobbyist fanfiction don't need to switch to "real" writing, and those who enjoy singing in the shower don't need to go sign up for voice lessons just because they like to sing. There's pleasure and benefit to be had at all levels, and sometimes the beginners have an unusual style that the masters can't even mimic.)
Anyway, then you learn a few rules, and move into basically the sophomore stage: You know a lot of rules, but at this point you're convinced that the rules are Rules -- that if you're a Good Artist you must collect and follow All the Rules. Slavish devotion to "rules" without grasping the underlying principles of why those "rules" exist.
Then, eventually, if you keep going, keep improving, you get to the stage beyond sophomore... maybe a junior, if we follow that terminology. Or an Apprentice. At this point, you've learned to see beyond the rules, at least a little bit. You've learned that rules are good, but that there are times when you bend them, or break them, or throw them out altogether because they're not applicable to the project you're working on. But you still see the rules as *basically* rules.
When you move up to senior/craftsman level, you've got a good grasp of the role of "rules" -- how they got developed and why, and their place in the grand scheme of things. You know that you don't have to abide by them, you know how to break them for effect, how to choose which rules to follow and when, etc.
Finally, at the Master Craftsman level, you no longer think about them in terms of rules; there's no need for you to specifically apply any structure, because you're skilled enough that you've internalized whichever underlying principles the rules taught you, and can create art naturally, no more conscious of the "rule" part of the process than I am of the way I'm moving my fingers to type on these keys (at least, until I made my brain pay attention to them again).
So the basic progression I've noticed is that you start out unaware of the rules, then you learn them, then you *overapply* them, then you realize they're "more like guidelines," then you determine where and how to make use of them, and then, having learned all that the rules have to teach you, you move beyond them using some or all of the underlying principles that people pass along as "rules."
@@eti313 So you can create an intentional exception on purpose.
@@DoveJSBut you could also just intentionally do whatever you want anyway
@DeathnoteBB for example: medieval bestiary if you don't know how an animal looks.
When I was young my art class consisted of the my entire black history club for some reason. I drew a black character and one of the members said... "You don't know how to draw black people do you?" I thought, "I'm black I can draw black people however I want." not realizing what he was talking about... this video is what he was talking about. I'm currently an art director for a small project working with character design, but I was always a strict art rule follower so realizing that I could have just broken the triangle rule is liberating. It's crazy how long I've been trying to follow this rule despite my own face not following it and not realizing it was ruining my art.
Made me smile
Fly my beautiful butterfly and make art good
That's such a beautiful story and if it were fiction I'd say it's a story of discovering self love
Same story. I remember going to my church's summer camp, doing art, people being impressed by the skills but curious why no one looked "Black." I took it as a slight at the time but it was an honest take from non-artists who wondered why this kid wasn't drawing people that looked like him or anyone in the community
I think it's fine to generally go for more "catlike" anatomy with black characters as long as it's your own personal preference and not a dumbass "rule" (which in your case it wasn't) - Atsushi Okubo (featured on the left side of Ethan's anime examples) does the usual anime stylization when drawing black characters, with some variance in hair & lips, but black people tend to love those characters - and I think there's a visually noticeable difference between having a personal preference, a style that's clearly purposeful, and ignoring general ethnic traits because of white-centric art rules.
Genuine question: Why didn't you just use references? Isn't that a golden rule?
What a way to say "I hate everyone" in cursive
"This cat is racist as hell" got me way more than it has any right to
Ethan threw himself into the drama i love it
Edit: she didn’t just “make a mistake” she called black features gorilla looking, Ethan I’m a big fan but she still did say some racist things
He was just in a silly goofy mood 🤷
😂
Twitter was acting crazy when they thought he was siding with Kooleen
same
Yeah I was worried he was gonna miss our point because he's usually really good with these things 😭
"Do I think the artist who corrected this is racist? No, I think the triangle is racist"
bro is 4 parallel universes ahead of us💀
honestly the solution to most disputes. "your racist words don't exactly make you a racist, they are the result of you being taught racist things. it's how you move forward with this new information that determines who you are"
@@AJ-em2rbAnd still, sadly, people would willingly go on protecting white nationalism.
@@manashieldmediaYeah, black nationalism is terrible as well. Trying to group ourselves against the "other" is the problem. #AllLivesMatter
@@revelmonger All Lives Matter is a reactionary dog-whistle for white nationalism. You aren't fooling anyone. You're either painfully stupid or too scared to be an open racist. Everyone knows all lives matter. So why do darker-skinned people get disproportionately targeted by the law? Who does redlining usually effect? Sad, sad little person.
@@revelmongerwhat exactly do you mean by black nationalism
this was really cool man i’m not even an artist but it was really engaging how everything was explained and the multiple demonstrations helped me see what was really going on-plus i feel like this is the slightest peek into the world of little techniques that artists and designers use to make their styles and just in general i love seeing ppl talk about what they’re passionate about
Bro was WILDING in that intro
THANK YOU FOR THE ANTI RACIST TRIANGLE IT HELPED
Fr!
yes frr
It’s more racist lmao. The triangle he came up is basically “how to draw a racial stereotype side profile” lol
Edit: the people in the replies are so factually wrong and racist that’s it’s almost comical. Am I watching a comedy skit? Yes, big lips exist. And? Monobrows exist, doesn’t mean every fucking Mexican has one. Or that it’s more accurate to draw a Mexican with a monobrow because some Mexicans might have a monobrow. You realise that is literally a support of racist stereotypes right? “Racist stereotypes came from real traits some black people might have had so therefore the stereotype is accurate” my god. You know how absolutely fucked that logic is right. I can twist that around and say calling black people a race of thieves is not racist because some black people stole things so attributing the stereotype to them is totally fine because the stereotype must have came from somewhere. It’s a completely racist argument which is being used to unironically justify racist ideals.
And yeah, some black people have big lips. AND? Big lips don’t push your face out like that. Never will. And I’ve never seen a black person in my life with a face that exaggerated.
And Afro’s haven’t been a racial stereotype since the 1960’s. So no idea why you brought that up.
According to anthropologist, all human races are 99.9% genetically identical. Why are physiologically the same species. Wanna know why? Because there is no such thing as race. It’s a made up myth. Human is a species, homo sapien is a race. All humans alive today are Homo sapiens. We are the last human species alive on the planet. So Saying that “black people have different physiology” so that’s why I’m wrong is LITERALLY what the nazi’s were trying to prove with eugenics. You people are racist. You are basically saying black people are a different species. Yeah no, they share the same skeletal structure of every other human race on the planet and all your attempts to say black people have fat lips and big noses is just racist. Some do, but you’ll see more without them if you bothered to pay attention to your “fellow man” more. To quote whoever said that.
@@zzodysseuszzit's true
Big ass lips do exist
@@zzodysseuszz No. Many black people just have different facial structures from white people, and other black people. That stereotype was made to mock their facial differences, not to gaslight everyone into believing the difference exists in the first place. The difference DOES exist. It still exists, and not drawing it makes alot of black characters not look black. Of course, as demonstrated in the video, not every person or character has those facial features so it's not always necessary, but people shouldn't be afraid to make black characters look black just because those features were mocked in the past.
just don't make some shit like mr popo lmfao it's not that hard
Ethan making himself chuckle with his words will never not be funny to me. His smile is the light in the darkness that is art drama
Yess! It always makes me smile too :)
Here are some of those moments for the both of us:
0:30 2:25 3:13 6:01
Honorable mention: 15:28
Art drama can easily be avoided. Since the biggest drama is my own art being awful and ruining my mental health everyday. Not getting better and drawing the way you want after 4 years of only practice and learning . I learned nothing and lost my creativity
Thanks for the timestamps
@@sael5084 You sound like every artist in this generation, and like most of them you draw good stuff so it comes out like pity begging.
Love yourself and love your work
@DemsW thanks but not really I don't enjoy drawing at all. I can't draw the way I want. I can't draw what I imagine at all. Even with reference I can hardly do something recognizable. I lost my creative touch I had when first starting art. I wasted 4 years and can't draw freely like others do. I have high ambition but limited by bad art skills. I can't love what I sincerely dislike. Others pitying Me won't help. I would appreciate criticism though and pointing out my flaws
I watched this entire video and I can’t figure out what’s going on why is the triangle racist. I did enjoy watching this though
The way you talk always calms me down and makes me laugh while I learn stuff, you help me a lot to not be too uptight/stonefaced about my art :) you're the cool art uncle to me
it's funny that i already don't use the triangle rule, but what i actually did learn from this video was to make 2 separate circles for the skull, even tho he doesn't aknowledge that for the whole video
Same lmao
@@clydesdale1775 Me too. Hadn’t even thought about it until I saw him do it and suddenly my mind was blown
i deadass was like “that’s so clever wtf
That's because he did a separated vid for it! And I really appreciate how he constantly repeats his lessons in almost every video he makes. That's a great teacher quality right there.
sameeee
even though what kooleen did mightve not been intentionally racist i dont think shes that great of a source to go to when trying to improve your art unless your trying to follow her artstyle. she seems to only draw one specific type of thing and barely try to go out her comfort zone and thus ends up misguiding her fans but that could just be me im not sure how to properly articulate my thoughts and feelings about it but yeah
I watch her for the commentary not for the tutorials, it wouldn't be a good idea learning like that, you only learn one thing and become complacent
no you worded it well
Thank you for having such a great viewpoint lol
This was just my thought as well
Yeah. She seems very limited and her art tips aren’t universal at all.
I can honestly say I have never used this rule. This rule sounds like a rule for people who didn't learn to draw by observing from life.
Honestly I wish people would observe real life instead of trying to jump straight to trying to learn to draw by tracing anime characters. I have friends whose art skills haven't progressed in 20 years or more because they learned from copying manga stuff and never started out with observing the actual world, so they don't know what they don't know.
As a black person, I feel dumb cus I don’t get how it’s a racist triangle, is it racist becuase people follow the same convention with white characters, hence the extra added triangle to make things different and “not racist” for black characters? Or is it something else?
he's playing on the whole "all White people are racist" trope we see in pop culture and society in general.
@@Draco_Alpha I see lol
Props to you Ethan for turning this into a genuine constructive conversation and learning experience. We appreciate your presence in the community fr 🦅
omg it's samdoesarts lessgo
you draw the same art style allways in video
SAMMMM
I agree. Instead of worrying about whether kooleen should be accused or defended, we should be worrying about updating the flawed rule itself. It's interesting cause philosophers did the same process in their arguments, the process being called 'dialectics'. please look it up if you dont know 🙏💖💖
@@Jorothegoodest8375well no shit everyone has an art style?? 😭
I'd like to mention I'm black and I've used this thing because I thought it was supposed to be used for every race I didn't notice the difference in facial structure from a white person and a black person 😅
I'm white, and i also never noticed the differences, i started to learn more about other features of races because i want to become a comic artist
@@monsterking7676the reason why people mostly think of black people with that tutorial is that she says that lips never go further beyond noses, "no matter how big and juicy those lips are". Lips that go beyond nose tips is mostly common among black people. She also said "wtf gorilla lookin mf" next to the "wrong" one so it reminded people of phrenology
Yeah, I always thought that the triangle was to determine how far the nose, lips, and chin are going to be from the actual face.
I’ve always used slanted for anime style and vertical for realism
@@wetbaklavabut it is such a lame excuse for hating because she says those things about everyone or every drawing
A mindless dumb comment shouldn’t be taken as an excuse to cancel someone lol
Your thumbnails and introd always give me a heartattack. I forget you're in character every time!
Ikr I wanted to show my gf this bc I keep giggling at it but I'm afraid if this is her first video of his she's gonna get the wrong idea lmao
The only true shape is the holy circle.
as a black guy whos 36 and has been drawing on and off and frustrated up until recently as in the past decade i deeply appreciate you breaking this down enough that i could pick this up. drawing someone that looked black for the longest was quite difficult since all of my references were anime faces from the late 90s and early 2000s internet
My style is semi realistic mixed with anime, any racial diversity was so difficult ! According the the drawing tutorials my proportions where wrong, so my drawings never looked right, I’m so glad we’ve reached a new age, finally I can get educated on diverse proportions
My issue is my references were either me or my siblings so all I can draw are black girls. I struggle drawing white people
@imontosomething2609 its easy. Just make us look less cool than the black characters.
@@letsrock12345 ayo?
Just get two cats, one black and one white. Hell throw in an orange one. That should help
I discovered this when I was drawing my brother's face (we're black) and his lips protrudes through the guide line. So you can make your own rules by studying from life, that's how the masters do it.
THATS RACISMS AND A HATE CRIME
yes it's called bimaxillary protrusion and it's a very common trait in SE asians descent and african descent.
I'm not even black and i have a tiny nose basically and a soft chin so the triangle wouldn't work for me not because I have big lips or bimaxillary protrusion, but simply because my other traits sit that way compared to my pretty average lips. This is the first time I've heard about this triangle and it's weird to me that it's used so much. I guess that's why so many anime oc look the exact same, that's literally half of their face
been 5 months and this is still one of my favourite art videos.
edgy in the most wholesome and educational way.
"back of the skull, pay the troll toll" is my new favourite art tip
"The triangle is racist" is probably a statement that can transcend various contexts, and it's something that only Ethan can absent mindedly come up with while still making sense 😭😭😭 this is what wisdom looks like
me, going on a rant about how the illuminati is an antisemitic conspiracy
Anything is racist has long as humans exist
@@sael5084 That is racist to humans sir.
@@ender7910 aliens are racist too for not coming here
@@ender7910 I wish I could live in a time where evolved Twitter can cancel a future actual alien
the way ethan reacted appropriately instead of defending kooleen and sam accepted an apology that wasn’t for him and then proceeded to defend her😭
When did Sam accept Kooleen's apology????
He did?? Bruh I'm so disappointed in him :/
@@mizzieiowho is sam?
@@nirvanaheightssamdoesarts
Wait, when ?
Bro got us in the first second 💀💀
as a white person with really big lips that don't fit in the "racist triangle" this is a major confidence boost because i've always been a little self conscious about not having the "perfect profile" or whatever. but this new style of drawing is sexy af and makes me feel cool about my weird face 👍
BRO YOUR FACE IS NOT WEIRD😭 As a black girl with somewhat small lips and my sister always teasing my "white people lips" be grateful for the lips you have because I wish I naturally had more volume in my lips. My mom told me this saying that we wish for what some people feel are flaws meaning you may not like your lips but I wish I had them. That's just how the world works, you know? But at the end of the day we should both about our lips because we're both baddies💅💅
who cares
@@strangeclimate411 you
@@zayzay5490 this makes me so happy hahaha. whenever I feel self conscious I think about your comment :) thanks
@@prince-of-water not really
I'm just imagining me drawing a face and mumbling "boom racist triangle" under my breath while I'm doing the guide lines-
and then your classmate goes "Sorry what?"
@@inazonitobe737 I did it in real life and accidentally got a laugh out of the whole class-
I now refer to parts of the human face as "the tink" and I don't even know if I'm doing it right.
@@FTZPLTC
Right
Wrong
Tink ✅
💀 this comment killed me
When I read the title the first thing that came to mind was the Bermuda Triangle. Like there was a part of the ocean where everyone who wanders into it becomes lost but only if you're Hispanic.
"But only if you're hispanic" 💀💀💀💀 that feels both accurate but like such an inaccurate statement at the same time
My greatest childhood fear (I'm not Hispanic)
My greatest fear (I'm Hispanic)
the Bermuda triangle is racist 💀
I feel like I am lacking vital context. Hispanic...... ?
that start was crazy 😂
It's not a racist triangle, it's a reality one.
As someone who wants to draw more black characters, this was very educational!
Edit: For the record, I don’t think this is like the bible for drawing black people, but I def think it’s a nice starting point for beginners like me. He also mentioned a few black artists that I started following, that have a plethora of variations on how to draw a black person’s face
if you wanna learn to draw black characters, find black art tutorials by black people. you’ll get better tips and tricks that way
edit: y’all are taking this so seriously… ask who you want about whatever you want. i’m just saying if you want some expertise on how to draw and stylise a certain race, try finding artists of that race- just like ethan suggested. if you don’t want to then don’t 💀
@@cryingwatercolours8127Thanks I won't go to black artist to draw other races than black.
@@cryingwatercolours8127agree
@@cryingwatercolours8127you don't have to be black to teach how to draw black people properly tho💀
@@iamaboy163 sinix is good
Even if Kooleen wasn't being intentionally racist, it can be incredibly hurtful for someone to call your features gorilla-looking. So I 100% understand why people got upset. That being said, I think she has suffered enough backlash now.
This is my take on it as well. I wouldn’t appreciate features commonly prevalent in my race being called gorilla looking (also when you account how that word is negatively used to describe with black features, too), and I also believe she was being so … so ignorant. Of course people are going to get upset. She’s made some other - at best, ignorant remarks - and at worst, overtly racist ones (not knowing what fades were in a fan’s artwork & “correcting them” in her version). Even if ill intent was or wasn’t there, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
@@vanilla7994 yeah it seems like she's a pretty stupid person
My face don’t follow the racist triangle lol Now I understand why I didn’t like my side profile before
@@vanilla7994when does it become racist? Cause she was saying things that were popular durinf slavery time to dehumnnise black people?
That's like a man hearing something sexist and saying it's ignorant. It's dismissive af
@@lordtettelet me educate you it did happen during slavery time so they did called black people feature gorilla looking
I was not expecting this video to start the way it did, but because it did I am now going to watch the entire thing because that was gold.
Glad you covered this topic. If anyone could explain that this was only an old art rule and ALSO add an adjustment tip it's you. Thanks, Ethan! ❤ 🦅 Happy drawing everyone!
I honestly LOVE the style of the “anti-racist triangle” even on non-black characters. Characters with a forward mouth, even if they don’t have big lips, it makes them look… plump? Probably the wrong word but it really lends to circular shaped designs and just adds a super nice pop
I agree!! It make them look sweet and approachable, and even a bit childlike! It kinda reminds me of some ghibli characters!
@@quite_contrary_9956 YES ITS VERY GHIBLI YOURE RIGHT
As a white person with this face shape this is really reassuring 😭 I can't even imagine what POC have to deal with when so many of their natural features are seen as ugly or incorrect when they're NORMAL and cute!
Nah i totally get what you mean, it looks adorable
@@zoesilver5828 totally natural and cute features!! i wish i had that face shape frfr
It's easy to say that "one rule fits all" is a thoughtless assumption, but not many go out of their way to actually make new rules and guidelines like Ethan does👍
There's a misconception to understanding what the rules are actually there for. They're meant to guide not to restrict.
Im pale as a sheet and the racist triangle doesnt fit me because my chin juts out real far. I think people just need to realize that people arent a monolith and you cant expect everyone to draw the same as you or hope to draw the same as you. If we arent loose with art we lose the passion and meaning behind it
These are soooooo cute!! I'm definitely going to be experimenting with my own style when I get the time ❤
Isosceles, acute, obtuse, now racist. The triangle is like the turkey of the shape realm.
180 degrees of pure bigotry
@@preddyshite6342 bahahaha
Obtuse, rubber goose, green moose, guava juice, giant snake, birthday cake, large fries, CHOCOLATE SHAKE!!!
long ago, the four nations lived in harmony. then, everything changed when the racist nation attacked
As a competitive racist, it's nice when people give me all this new tech for free.
I always wondered why that "rule" never worked for me. Why the people I drew didn't really look like me so I would push the rule but still couldn't quite get it to work. This is incredibly helpful!
he explained the process of creating his art style of characters. too awesome
i love this, great way to actually learn from that discussion.
The person who made that initial tutorial had written “wtf gorilla lookin mf” next to the “wrong” one, and while fixing the portrait of the black woman she had made the lips and the nose smaller too (in an attempt to give critique). It seems like a mistake due to ignorance but what she did in response to all of this was to ignore this issue for two weeks although she was aware of it, while producing 4 different unrelated videos. That is what made people think that she truly was racist.
Yes, as a content creator you certainly can make a mistake but ignoring it when you have such a huge platform and influence and then writing a very vague, defensive and misleading apology is not it.
Let this be a lesson for all content creators. Don’t ignore your mistakes. Own them and fix them.
yeah and her response 50 years later was like its offensive humor but also she didnt know it was offensive ¿?
Honestly I was on the whole she was probably just ignorant and wasn't actually trying to bash the race but the drawing, and from her "apology" she did say exactly that. But I do agree that it looked bad for her to not only take a hot minute to even say anything about it, but to also post "normal" videos in between? Like gurl..
@@arantzap yeapp and everyone thought that we were mad simply bc she made art roast vids with consent and we didn't get her humor. It was deliberately misleading. She also said that people who were still mad at her were "irrelevant"... The ones who accepted her "apology" were all mostly white kids who couldn't unferstand the gravity of the situation 😭
@@stephenlee1108 Exactlyyyy initially I said the same thing and just expected from her to take accountability, properly apologize and fix her content. She pretty much ignored it and that was when I lost all the respect that I had towards her. The apology felt like "ugh ok fine you won't shut up about it there ya yo I apologized"
And then she proceeded to totally misunderstand why people were mad in the first place
Edit: and her white fans accepted the apology that wasn’t even made for them
It's bizarre because like, it's not even only black people that can have that facial structure. It's much more common, but it's not exclusively black people. So the idea that its wrong is even more absurd because anyone can have that facial structure.
Half my very Irish uncles have it, it's not that rare a facial build!
It's prevalent in blacks
@@couldntbeproved1392in...blacks...?
@@rmslefttoe9024 yeah, and?
Guarantee you don't know and haven't seen many "Blacks" because nobody in my very African family has that profile. @@couldntbeproved1392
9:17 I suddenly saw Homer Simpson’s luscious lips and I couldn’t unsee it, so I’m putting this here so it gets stuck in someone else’s mind too.
Isnt the whole point of art to do whatever you want? Thats art
Ethan feels like the art community dad that settles all drama
Cuz he is
More of a drunken uncle
he's like the camp counselor that really doesn't want to be here but has to settle the conflict anyway
0:01 dawg that escalated quickly 🧍🏿♀️
🤣
I love how he starts confidently and then realizes what he said, so he stutters to complete the argument.
Thats one fucking way to start a video
i love how people like to pretend that this is only for black characters. im not black and i have that nose and lips and overall face structure lol
Literally, all people have to do is go outside and look at other people. Idk why people were ever following this rule in the first place.
Exactly and I'm black and I got the first one
I come from Mexican and Native American ancestors and I have something more similar to the second facial structure. Kind of upsetting that people are saying that ONLY black people have it, as I’ve seen white people with it and black people without. Not to mention all the other races and ethnicities.
@@E_milioyou're talking to twitter zoomers users
Aka the people who were contained on Tumblr and broke containment and ruined a generation of kids
@@E_milioYe, i try to just ignore those kind of people. Just got to Remember that the people thinking everything is about race, and something being exclusive to certain of them, are just people that never go outside their room, lol. Way better to think that we all share the human experience😂
He's gonna get away with it by being cute again
The mobs are harsh, but he stays silly!
cute with his disney looking eyes!
goofy his way out of the drama
@@ki2348How else does one get out of drama amirite?
I bet he has more fanboys than fangirls 👀
Watching this breakdown was great, makes things look so simple and easy
This is actually pretty cool and I like how it still feels like an anime character. Now if only animators in japan knew this before drawing black characters
Beckers style is extremely stylized, but not to the point of a lot of anime. If the character resembles a cat more than a human in the facial structure, following reality has kind of gone out the window.
Anime with more realistic art styles do portray black people correctly a lot of the time.
I noticed a lot of recent anime don't even have any black characters.. I don't think they wanna even deal with any of that responsibility anymore. I think we have to accept anime characters don't even look Japanese they look like cats.. that being said Western animators should definitely avoid copying anime cause their audience are not primarily cat obsessed Japanese people.
@@saidahblah Do pretty much any anime have black people really? They're like all set in japan. If they're not set in japan they're set in vague fantasy medieval europe and the dark skinned characters will be dark elves or something lol
Ethan Becker truly embodies "It's not racism if i make fun of everybody equally"
agreed
Never punch down… unless you brought enough cans of whoopass for the whole class.
How it should be
Ethan is a sub-par amateur artist, the talking parrot catering to zoomer artists wasting their time on Twitter in their echo chambers comforting each other in their lack of art skills. You people should stop watching Ethan and go look at established artists perfecting their craft instead of poser artists trying to monetize every avenue like TH-cam, selling brushes, terrible artbooks, etc.
cringe
If you're missing the point of what ethan is doing in this vid, he's basically teaching us to see events like this as an opportunity to talk things out in the community, wherever is a mistake, is an opportunity to learn, not to fight.
Amen.
People have sad lives man, they’re lonely, so they cling to any chance to get attention whether it’s positive or negative. Cancelling people for stupid bs all the time
I mean. You'll still get called a racist for drawing anatomically correct characters. People like outrage more than they like accuracy.
@@Rain-nm1ee an artist with a very large online following telling her fans that their art is bad and inaccurate because it doesn't adhere to the strict guidelines that she personally abides by is a topic that many in the art community are interested in. If you're not, move on. But it's guaranteed there's something that you care about that most people don't give a shit about.
@@user-jb1mb5xh9tArt should be realistic in terms of adhering to racial traits. There is no racist triangle, people just want to be white. That's how our society is engineered.
It's not racism if this feature exists irl too.
Finally someone who took the whole fester fest to teach rather than drama. You're a cool dude
I think people just need to realize that there are multiple ways of drawing faces. I primarily draw African features and follow the single triangle rule because that's just what I'm used to and my characters still look like they're black, I didn't even know this was a topic of debate.
I did the same but most of the time I don’t often use the triangle method
people's issues are more on the "gorilla lookin mf" rather than kooleen drawing the same face shape
ive seen most say that she can draw whatever she wants to and it would have been fine, but the problem lies with the fact that she deliberately went ahead to call that face shape "wrong"
Honestly, a character can have what ever face you want them to have, its only racism if you decide that every black person has to have this extruded lip, or every asian person has to have buck teeth or every white person has a longer neck.
These traits don’t exist across entire populations, some do such as eye shape and skin tones, but secondary facial features dont.
@@RusticRonniefacts. East African people like Somalis and Ethiopian most of the time have sharp noses and not a typical flat African nose. Some Asian also have sharp noses too
@@astrix_moon8334 I just struggle drawing side profiles. And instead of actually taking the time to practice, I opted to never draw side profiles and struggle with how weird it looks.
There are no hard and fast rules with drawing anything organic really. Just different shape designs and proportions. My professor used to make us do mass quick studies of different faces, and I realised that there is no one way to draw facial features or structure. It all depends on the character and shape design you are trying to create. Knowing how to draw different variations just adds to your arsenal.
Guess everyone online that does art advice is supposed to be expected to have a college degree in the arts or they shouldn't be allowed to make tutorials?
@@breewashere Are you implying the person you're replying to is saying that? Because they absolutely did not say that. In fact I more got the idea that you should get tips from different kinds of people as it allows for a better understanding than getting it from just one TH-cam artist.
Yeah. Loomis heads and whatever other techniques really are just placeholders for perspective + proportions. The important details will 100% depend on the subject.
@@breewashere uhhh are u ok?
@@TheVillainousSoul yeah! I think I’m just echoing what ethan kind of implied in the video. You can use the racist triangle. You can use anti-racist triangle. But the point really is to collect as many "triangles" as you can cause the human form is incredibly diverse and nuanced.
those first 2 seconds will be clipped with no context by many many people
"That's how that person is. That's how." This one quote literally solves it all.
I mean, the problem wasn't just the triangle, is calling everything outside of it a "gorilla looking mf"
I mean if one triangle is made to resemble cats...we could simply reverse the insult
Cat looking mf
@@toyaleejb7714no way you're justifying her insulting black features 😭
Love ethans ability to be the most unserious-serious artist out there. Perfectly balanced
"Following rules" aren't laws, just guidelines to help you
i was a bit worried where this would go at first with the title and intro, but this was genuinely a great video
This isn't poking a wasp nest, you are downright teabagging the hive and I salute you for your sense of humor. Take my like and shine on, you crazy diamond.
BLACK FACE OFF 💀💀 OH MY GOD I LOVE BEING BLACK THAT FUCKING KILLED ME 😂
"This cat is racist as hell."
Pardon me while I clean the coffee I spat all over my monitor.
SUBSCRIBED! Love the video, it's always great to a see fresh perspective on age old "rules" of drawing.
This is why realism is important for any kind of artist. When I learned realism it instilled in me the importantance of different features and learning as much as you can about the body bc so you can do anatomy regardless of style. They teach you this in animation as well so that you can copy any style for diff projects and produce consistent images. And so you can have variety in character design. Same face syndrome is unfortunate. That's just the artist culture I was exposed to growing up
Agreed! Way more variety in realism!
this is very true. i do a lot of low resolution pixel art for a game i'm making and even though a face can be like 5 pixels tall you HAVE to think about the underlying features and shapes or it just won't look good. i've drawn a whole realistic sketch just to decide if i wanna remove ONE pixel from a character's chin or not, almost like that spongebob clip of him drawing a whole face just to draw a circle.
@@albingrahn5576 i do pixel art too and i 100% confirm that starting with concept art and simplifying it later makes a HUGE difference!
Zoomer poser artists would much rather cry and comfort each other about their lack of skills on Twitter than learning the fundamentals like anatomy properly.
I would say that it is the fundamentals, the real is your reference, the realism a style.
2:26 “i love to hate everybody. it’s like i got so much hatred in me it’s like- AAAH it’s like what do i do with this, you know?” **holding a fluffy pen**
Great video! I love the fun way you present information. I've also noticed the inverse bias, a lack of character designs where the lips do not reach the line from the nose to the triangle, like a lack of larger noses. Also very few characters with larger bottom lips than upper.
It's good to understand that these "rules" are mostly a thing because of animation, needing to draw the same characters hundreds of times and drawing random extras who have very generic and thoughtless designs. Without a quick guide like that the same characters look less consistent (especially between different artists), and the art style itself becomes inconsistent. If you follow the same rules on all the characters then it is all coherent and consistent. Animation is rarely all done by one person, you need rules to follow.
The thing about this is that the former head shape isn't even exclusive to black characters or black people, funnily enough a lot of men across races have that feature, i found that to be the case with Southeast to East Asian men; the line doesn't consider outliers or nuances, it favors general facial aesthetics, facial features people are generally attracted to, and racial dimorphism actually can aid attractiveness if it doesn't show extremes, everything closer to averageness while teetering on some uniqueness, whether it be ALMOST exclusive European traits or ALMOST exclusive African traits (what people don't seem to understand is that there is no exclusivity across races because race is a social construct structured on vague bases); so it'll be interesting to see his take on this. Somehow I predicted this video, its likely point, and some variation of this title. Yes, I am bragging.
I believe someone pointed out that Kooleen has a similar side profile to the "gorilla" which makes it awful strange.
@@melancholygirl7793 i mean, one, gorillas notably have a protruding jaw from their nose, some humans naturally have that kinda feature since we originate from the same ancestor as other primates, though obviously more anatomically relevant to humans; two, it's less of awful strange, at least to me, and more of Kooleen doesn't draw her characters to look like her or as if she has a superior headshape, she knows she doesn't look like the characters she draws and that's ok, she doesn't draw her characters to pander to any real person, just a general niche type of person: pretty asian men and women in manhwa. It doesn't really mean anything that she has the side profile she critiqued, as she was talking about anatomy in art based on humans, not how possible human anatomy is wrong (even though the original drawing was anatomically incorrect for a human regardless of race/ethnic features). Though, it does go to show it isn't exclusive to black people at all so I think people are just scared that black people are being called gorillas without thinking that maybe it wasn't a targeted thing. Sorry if it seems I gave you two cents when you only gave me one, I just thought this would be food for thought.
If people keep reacting like that to people drawing black people, no one's gonna want to draw them.
Too much risk. Why the fuck would you ever draw them if you get skewered no matter what you do?
@@bloodyidit4506 Then don’t do insensitive things towards black people…
@bloodyidit4506 are you being obtuse? Kooleen had plainly said that anybody drawn passed the triangle is "gorilla looking" when that is a feature commonly seen on black people. There are TONS of artists who draw black people and are completely able to not get in trouble, because frankly it is incredibly easy to not insult features while drawing. Do I think she is racist? I don't believe so, but she still did racist actions and that's not ok.
kooleen's wig snatched
The art Community always delivers ☕
Kooleen's smegsy dragged
@@AdoboSoGuud Kooleen's lip thing wasn't even original tbh. She's just an Angel Ganev wannabe.
@@z_.5557 Ohh I love ANGEL Ganev. But hers looked so soggy 😨
He hates everyone! That's lovely
never needed a triangle to be racist
Looks like kooleen needs to bring out a ukulele
STOP 💀
if she does she would achieve the ultimate controversy form
Toxic gossip train..
Toxic triangle train
heading down the tracks of misinformation 💀
As a human with a nose, chin and lips, I appreciate this video. Thanks Ethan for spreading awareness. Cats are cute, but not when they take over human features and dominate the world with triangles. 😂❤
Holy shit, the Illuminati's are cats.
i’m black and PR , and my nose is like this. i see no problem lol.
Good start to a video 🔥🔥