I'm a wireless network engineer. You can just get any 3rd party antenna that has a decent gain. The ones packaged with the motherboard are bottom of the barrel so you pretty much can't go wrong unless you try 😂.
Wish there were more Z690 vs Z790 comparisons like this! I want to point out that the Z690 had a whole year of use in the wild so it has all the BIOS updates and manufacturers' tech supports have resolved more of the bugs than with Z790. Your videos helped save me from blowing money on Z790 and DDR5 - I have a higher level DDR4 board now because I had extra money in my budget from using the older tech. Thank you!
New to the custom pc building verse and recently discovered your awesome channel. Your videos are extremely informative, especially for a novice like me. Your infectious passion for what you do really does inspire me and has been a great help to me over the past year. While receiving treatment for throat cancer, I would watch all your tech and setup videos to help me plan my fantasy build for when I get well, and as corny as it sounds get me through it. Pleased to stay I'm cancer free, just restarted my own design business, and working towards my first build. Thank you for all your hard work and keep doing what you're doing, you're changing people's lives!
I have the Z790 board. It's pretty awesome, working with 4x16GB 7200MHz DDR5, i9-13900KF and the MSI GeForce GTX 4090 Gaming Trio 24G. This thing is fast and stable AF. As a full time professional photographer and videomaker I needed this. Having it for a month now: loving the performance.
@@jgvtc559 Could be any reason. I've done it before on a different brand board because I overlooked the size of my air cooler which prevented my high profile 2x32GB sticks of ram from sitting in their recommended slots. There were no low profile 32GB ram sticks in stock at my local dealer to replace them so I bought 4x16GB low profile ram sticks to compensate which just cleared my oversized cooler. Moving forward about a year, I could've moved back to 2x32GB ram and sold the 4x16 sticks once I purchased my AIO but instead chose not to as they were already installed in my mid-tower build and worked just fine. I sold my 32's to a friend who purchased an E-ATX board.
@@nese1 *_"I have heard that people are having problems with the intel 2,5gb ethernet"_* There are no issues, other than the fact that the ones crying about it happen to be noobs who have no clue how to get it going.
@@Jake-mn1qc My current mobo has the intel I225-V ethernet and works fine, that being said, I find your comment very delusional. Older mobos definitely had some hardware problems and it was a silicon lottery to get a good one.
I was looking forward to your review of the z790 ProArt and I'm disappointed because you basically said "go watch the z690 review". The problem is that review is not accurate at all for the z790. For example, you say there that the M.2 driives and the SATA drives are totally independent, but on the z790 there are some important differences. Refer to the "Connectors with shard bandwidth" page in the z790 ProArt manual and maybe (hopefully!) you do a full review of the z790, which I know many users were waiting for. Thank you for all your work!
Hmm, you should expand your channel to a large segment of PC builds market that is being greatly overlooked and under served. The Traders (Stock, Futures, Forex, and Crypto Traders) all need and build or have custom built for them high grade PC’s. The ASUS Z790 ProArt Creator boards are about the perfect for traders. High speed stable performance with fast internet connections on the board everything we need. The only thing different in our builds and needs from your Creators builds and needs is the high dollar high heat graphics boards, we don’t need them, we need very stable and reliable enterprise graphics boards and the best I know of is the Nvidia T1000 8GB which has 4-DisplayPorts able to run four 4K monitors at once with no issues and low heat. It would be nice if Intel and ASUS would get together and design the future Z890 ProArts able to support 256GB DDR5 or even DDR6 at 6000 or even 8800. Another thing Traders and Creator builds have in common is we don’t need or care for the RGB gaming crap, we need fast stable systems that are quite too. So would be easy for your to include Trader builds and optimal components for our builds in your vids which would increase your views and subscribers. Thanks and looking forward to your next vids.
Sentence of the day, "Exactly the Same". I liked the review, it bothers me when details like this are missing from the official site. I've been looking at the X570 creator for a server board but there is so SOO much missing from the documentation and no one has done a review for it as a server board to answer my questions. I know one other person in the same situation, we're both waiting for each other to buy it and tell the other the answers to our questions haha.
The one aspect that you can't see whether it is different or not are the PCB layer architecture. The difference there could be what allows the faster ram. It is something that is nearly impossible to check unless companies release that info which I don't see them ever doing.
YES!! I kinda knew they were very similar. But I'm gonna go for the Z790 just for the extra gen 4 PCI slot for extra m.2 on my DAW built. Thank you 👍🏻.
I'm not running a graphics card, I'm kinda hoping the built in graphics of the 13900k will be enough for a DAW system (Recording music) nothing gfx intensive.
Nice review. Really wish motherboards would focus on PCIe 5.0 M.2 over the PCIe slot the GPU will be going in. By the time GPUs saturate PCIe 4.0 these boards will be very old, while drives are already being designed to use that bandwidth.
The issue isn’t the motherboard vendors the issue is the pcie lanes directly into the cpu itself. Alder lake and raptor lake only have 16 lanes of pcie5 bandwidth and 4 direct lanes of pcie4. So motherboard manufacturers are restricted from the start.
I suggest the GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Master above the ProArt. It has better IO on the back than Asus and is a little cheaper. It's an E-ATX board, but has almost same size like a regular ATX board.
@@matthewwalsh2530 Was not aware of that but these are some very legit points from a professional standpoint. Gigabyte offers, for consumers I guess, a free 4 year warranty if you register your product btw.
@freejack159 I'm wondering between these two (Asus ProArt Z790 / Gigabyte AORUS Master Z790), but it's not so obvious decision, very hard choise to be honest and price in my country is exactly the same. For me IO on the back is much superior on Asus than on Gigabyte (there is HDMI 2.1, two DP 1.4, one more LAN 2,5Gb and two Thunderbolt ports and more audio outs (not important for me) on ASUS, on Gigabyte there is no HDMI at all, DP is 1.2 and no Thunderbolt) On the other hand I suppose there is better power control for the CPU on Gigabyte, but i dont know how much it could influence overall stability. Furthermore m.2 cooling with double sided thermopads on Gigabyte looks nicer than Asus where we can mount cooling only from one side of SSD.
I read an Amazon comment from a customer that said : "4 memory slots just won't work! It doesn't even boot with 128GB of RAM, despite Asus saying it supports 128GB of RAM! I've contacted Asus support and they tell me they haven't tested this motherboard with 4 RAM modules, so they can't offer any support." So as I need 128Go, I'm wondering. Have you tested ? Does it work or not ?
I was on the point of swapping to this from my ROG Z690 Hero in order to get the additional 10GbE port (instead ofthe expansion card I'd been using), but then realised that this comes at the cost of only having one internal USB3.2 Gen1 header... Solution: a second hand ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme and all is good with my i9-13900k hitting clocks I wouldn't have thought possible a few years ago on air!
Mine had issues after three weeks. Red and Amber LEDS's started flashing. Managed to get it to boot and it worked fine during the day (I was able to turn on and off fine) the next morning the issue repeated itself. This repeats every morning, currently back with Asus for investigation. Interestingly, the CMOS battery is not visible as it is located next to the HDMI ports under the plastic cover. You have to remove the mobo to undo the screws at the back of the board to remove the plastic cover which reveals the battery. However, Asus support has told me the battery is not designed to be removed? So what happens when the battery runs out? :( Update: Asus support have issued me an update by way of an apology and retracted their original statement and have confirmed the battery is removable...... I'm still awaiting the result of their testing the board.
One of the things I feel like is being missed about this motherboard, and made me not go with it in a recent build, is it's lack of a 7 segment POST display. I think it is extremely important to have this on any system that is designed for any kind of work/production. I really don't understand why it is missing on Asus ProArt motherboards for LGA 1700 and I assume it is missing for the AMD equivalents. These do have diagnostic LEDs and I assume they still have beep codes, but who wants to deal with either of those when a POST display can be much faster, easier, and granular in what information it can give you when troubleshooting a system. The POST display is useful for overclocking, sure, but I would also argue that it is very important for people who's main machine is integral to making a living. I think more people should be talking about this because that is the best way to get Asus to add this feature to future motherboards. Also, I think you should review the w680 Asus motherboard since it also seems like a solid option for creators and might better fit some workstation needs and that motherboard basically has no TH-cam content.
just wanted to thank you for this vid, helped me build my current build with nearly identical parts - fyi i just used your code for a win10 key also! thanks again from Syd
Does Z790 support 128 GB with XMP profiles? I have a Z690 and I can't get my 4 Dims of 32 GB Kingston Fury DDR5 RAM to run at 5600 MT/s without a random blue screen, they only run at a "stable" 4800 MT/s (because in games, the PC crashes) . The only way to run at 5,600MT/s is by placing only 2 dims, that is, 64GB of Ram. With only 2 dims installed I have no problem.
Great info. I have heard that, with z790, if you have an m.2 in the top pcie slot, it will cause the bandwidth of the your graphics card to reduce from 16 to 8 lanes, slightly reducing it's performance? Is this true? If so, might it be better for a creator to go with z690 - considering that GPU performance is more important than ram speed for video editing?
i can say this happen to me on my aorus x570 xtreme motherboard. i have 3 2tb m2 pci 4.0 drives. i had all 3 filled. i have my 6900xt and 5950x. I notice a drop in performance. then i removed the 1st m2 drive and put it in the second m2 slot , the 2nd one to the 3rd slot. so now i have just 2 drives installed now. I had noticed a big jump in performance and stuttering stopped as well. so i can say having that that using that top m2 drive with a high gpu will cause performance loss.
Thanks for the review. Been thinking of using this for my next build but considering the Gigabyte Aero G Z790 as well. A comparison would be a nice as they both target the creative market. Cheers
Hey I don't know if you know but for the ASUS ProArt Wifi Z690 you cannot update the BIOS without also having access to a 12th gen CPU. I should correct myself; you CAN update the BIOS without a CPU installed, however, the BIOS requires Intel ME to be updated before you update the BIOS and for that you need to be running Windows on the machine first. The effect is therefore that you need the system up and running with a supported CPU from the 12th gen before updating the BIOS to add support for 13th gen. My guess is that most or at least some people who buy this might not have a 12th gen CPU lying around. I should say that there are threads on the ASUS ROG forums discussing workarounds for this, but ASUS does not support any of these methods and if you decide to go for one of them, to quote the support tech I talked to, "you are on your own". If you are lucky and the motherboard you bought is from a later batch that has already been preinstalled with a later BIOS supporting the 13th gen CPUs out of the box, then this isn't an issue, but I don't know if ASUS has actually shipped any Z690 with a BIOS supporting 13th gen directly from the factory. I would not take a chance on it anyway. Another alternative is to ask your retailer if they can help you with the BIOS update before they ship the motherboard. Just know that it is not as easy as popping in a USB with a BIOS update. For me, I got an older BIOS with my ProArt Z690 and I opted to get the cheapest 12th gen CPU I could get to use for the Intel ME update before swapping for the actual CPU I intended to run with the system. It's still a lot cheaper than going for the Z790 edition in my case, but a lot more work, so it might not be worth spending the extra time for some.
All I really want to know from this comparison is which has the lowest DPC Latency. I hope that's something you'll start bringing to your comparisons as it's one of the most important hidden features that XMG are really hot on with these Asus boards.
When I saw the price difference, it was only about $50 as of 1/15/23. Me personally, I don't really care about which one to use. I don't care about ddr5 memory. So I would likely use the z690 just so I can spend the $50 saving on ram.
Thanks for the review, I've been very curious about this. Can we see benchmarks?! I've seen benchmarks online that say Intel 13th Gen CPU's are 25% less powerful on z690, and some benchmarks that show virtually no difference- and would love to confirm this.
Hi! Great channel. Love the detailed reviews. Question: how would the ASUS Z790 ROG Maximus Formula rank against the Z790 Pro Art for Creative purposes? While it loses the 10 Megabit internet and 2 SATA ports, the Gaming Motherboard (Maximus Formula) can hold more memory (196 GB) and has an extra USB 3.2 port? Looking for the best specs creator board but for a WHITE build. Thanks for your help!
Great video, I like your topics! Does it have a 10GB lan or not? You have to mention that the thunderbolt is actually not 40GB, because it is split and then resulting into 10GB at the end! This is in general an issue that asus is aware and didnt fix since z690. Not sure if it really makes sense then to invest such an amount if they sell u smth that doesnt deliver the performance you are paying for.
Can anyone tell me where the bios battery is located on the motherboard? What part of the motherboard is it on? (ASUS ProArt Z690-CREATOR WIFI LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard)
it's crazy how this is probably the cheapest asus z790 board if you want 6 or more sata ports, all those cheaper f-gaming, a-gaming series boards cut down their 6 ports on z690 to 4 on the z790.
Your vids rock! What about memory stability z690 vs z790? That would make the z790 worth the extra $$$. I've been avoiding DDR5 motherboards because DDR5 is unstable at 128 Gigs of ram. Does the z790 board's new advertised AEMP II memory technology solve that? As an After Effects user I'd love to see a memory stability test with 128 gigs of ram at different speeds and settings. Thank you!
I have 128GB of Corsair Dominator (bought as 2 twin packs) on the Z790 - I let the board handle all the settings. Not run into any stability issues yet. It passed several passes of MemTest86, and a few renders / games work fine. Haven't really tested it more than that though.
I'm wondering between these two (Asus ProArt Z790 / Gigabyte AORUS Master Z790), but it's not so obvious decision, very hard choise to be honest and price in my country is exactly the same. For me IO on the back is much superior on Asus than on Gigabyte (there is HDMI 2.1, two DP 1.4, one more LAN 2,5Gb and two Thunderbolt ports and more audio outs (not important for me) on ASUS, on Gigabyte there is no HDMI at all, DP is 1.2 and no Thunderbolt) On the other hand I suppose there is better power control for the CPU on Gigabyte, but i dont know how much it could influence overall stability. Furthermore m.2 cooling with double sided thermopads on Gigabyte looks nicer than Asus where we can mount cooling only from one side of SSDs.
Hello My friend, I follow you from a couple of week, when I discovered your channel, I am a surveyor or "Geodesic and topography engineer", I work with Photogrammetry from drones and building photogrammetry and very large of civil engineering project, Could you (some day) make a video with a Pc oriented to this field? Thank you very much!!! I enjoy soo much your channnel. I have a new pc and I had the DDR5 problem, I spent 1 month try to make work the 4 dimm of kingstong 6000 with 64 Gb in total, until I saw you video and I thought I was wrong until that, thank for you video, Are there any mother board than work property with 4 dimm of ddr5?
I purchased and rebuilt my computer with this Mobo and I have a question. Can you, or should you keep the wifi turned on while using the ethernet connection? And by the way, thank you for pointing me toward this Mobo. I am very happy with it's performance. The Noctua cooler, I thinks works very well, as it maintains the CPU temp at about 80 degrees Celcius. Looking forward to your reply.
I believe this motherboard is excessive for a creator's needs. I appreciate its minimalist design without gaming branding or LED lighting. I am happy that the brand is expanding its marketing to PC building for creators, but it should offer a more budget-friendly version. I'm not willing to spend more than $300 on a motherboard.
Hello, Thanks for very good comparison. Where the ProArt_Z790-CREATOR_WIFI on board battery is located? I am experiencing a situation in which in every AC disconnection (unplug) there is no display and clear RTC is needed.
Hey ive been searching everywhere for this comparison. would you please put z690pa z790pa comparison in the title or decription so ppl can find it easier ? Appreciate it, thank you 🤟
Hi, is there any change in the BIOS settings regarding CPU undervolting with the Z790 because with the Z690 Creator, there is no settings available to undervolt the PCU (there is no menu that allows to disable Undervolt Protection) like there is with the ROG series.
Hi there, You are honestly my last resort while looking for answers cause I did not want to hassle you with my problems, but I have sincerely being looking for these answers for over two months now and have gotten nowhere :( I'm a brand designer, (I mostly use Adobe CC subscription). I am slowly but gradually building my new graphics & video editing pc around the asus Pro art Z790 wifi mob, after watching your awesome builds with it. I have three questions: 1. Will it work with the intel i9 13900KS? 2. I would like to load it with as much DDR5 memory as it can handle (the fastest memory possible)? 3. Will it handle 2 Asus Pro art 4070ti GPUS? If anyone here has a valid answer to any of my questions I would greatly appreciate the help!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
20 PCIe lanes is of no use for my 3 audio cards, 2 capture cards, and 1 video card. The 4x NVMe drives will consume 16 lanes all by themselves. One of those "gaming CPU's" with limited features for Creators.
Let's be honest. When hardware brands put "Creator" or "Art" in their product name, you know they take you for an Apple fan turkey. And they will treat you just like one, with a big unjustified premium for the word. Those motherboards like their Asus ProArt monitors series are exactly that. This one even more so than the previous generation. "Creators" should just completely avoid the ProArt motherboard series, current or old as much as possible. When you can find classic "gaming" motherboards with all the features for 3/4 of the price or even half and often with better VRM cooling.
For 20 bucks you get the button for the gpu and improved bios out of box. And expanded ddr5 speed compatibility? (or do they have the same once the 690 bios is updated?)
I would like to see, A video putting 13th gen in older z690 board, I've personally been having problems myself going to 13th gen on my strix Z690-E Gaming board. !! It will not Post
10:30 To the left middle, there are two holes for the motherboard stand offs screws. Just below them there are two Philips screws (horizontally) on the motherboard at the left. But not on the motherboard on the right. What is going on there?
What is the function of Display Port (In)? I have a macbook pro 16 inch. Does it mean that I can just connect the TB3 to the TB4 USB-C slot and then connect a DP cable from the monitor to that motherboard board and it works?
If you connect this motherboard's USB 3.2 gen 2x2 front-panel header to a Lian Li O11D EVO's front-panel connector which is specified as "USB 3.1 Type C" what speed will the front-panel USB-C operate at? 20Gbps or 5Gbps? As far as I have been able to decipher the mechanical and electrical connectors should be the same with identical wiring between USB 3.1 gen 2 and USB 3.2 gen 2x2 and my logic would say that the connector is 'dumb' and the motherboard's capabilities should define the port speed, but it wouldn't be the first time my logic fails the reality check test. Also is there any power delivery limitations with the Lian Li's front-panel I/O cabling since the ProArt Z790 board can support up to 60W of PD charging?
Do you know what version of the thunderbolt controller firmware nvm is running on z790. Z690 comes with v31… although bios 2204 updates it, which fixes some issues but causes other issues as well.
I have the Z690 Creator, Z790 got released way way to late for me I removed the PCH plastic cover, it traps heat under it - I absolutely don't understand what ASUS was thinking with covering the PCH
Hi, I would like to know if ASUS Z790 memory certification topped at DDR5-7200 because DDR5-8000 was not yet available in time for the tests so they did not updated their certification specs so this motherboard can overclock to DDR5-8000 ? Or it really limited at DR5-7200 and can't go higher ? Thanks
Frustrated I upgraded my computer to PC Win 11 with a ASUS Pro-Art 790. The MB supports TB 3 but how do I connect my Apollo Twin X with TB2 ?. I tried the Apple TB 3 to TB 2 but my MB doesn't see my Apollo. ( yes TB is set to ON in the BIOS ) Any help would be appreciated
I realised with your video that I threw the antenna to trash, thinking the packaging was just a spacer for the board to protect it...
Oh no! 🤦
Oh rip
@@theTechNotice well time to buy a new one on ebay for 30 bucks smh
I'm a wireless network engineer. You can just get any 3rd party antenna that has a decent gain. The ones packaged with the motherboard are bottom of the barrel so you pretty much can't go wrong unless you try 😂.
@@AshtonCoolman I ordered one from ebay, same as the one with the motherboard, should i cancel and switch to maybe a reference you might recommand?
Wish there were more Z690 vs Z790 comparisons like this! I want to point out that the Z690 had a whole year of use in the wild so it has all the BIOS updates and manufacturers' tech supports have resolved more of the bugs than with Z790.
Your videos helped save me from blowing money on Z790 and DDR5 - I have a higher level DDR4 board now because I had extra money in my budget from using the older tech. Thank you!
New to the custom pc building verse and recently discovered your awesome channel. Your videos are extremely informative, especially for a novice like me. Your infectious passion for what you do really does inspire me and has been a great help to me over the past year. While receiving treatment for throat cancer, I would watch all your tech and setup videos to help me plan my fantasy build for when I get well, and as corny as it sounds get me through it. Pleased to stay I'm cancer free, just restarted my own design business, and working towards my first build. Thank you for all your hard work and keep doing what you're doing, you're changing people's lives!
Happy you're cancer free! I'm new to building too and there are only a few parts for a PC but so many options lol
I have the Z790 board. It's pretty awesome, working with 4x16GB 7200MHz DDR5, i9-13900KF and the MSI GeForce GTX 4090 Gaming Trio 24G. This thing is fast and stable AF. As a full time professional photographer and videomaker I needed this. Having it for a month now: loving the performance.
I have heard that people are having problems with the intel 2,5gb ethernet. This board also has marvell 10gb. Is the 10gb working fine?
Why 4 16 and not 2 32 I don't get it
@@jgvtc559 Could be any reason. I've done it before on a different brand board because I overlooked the size of my air cooler which prevented my high profile 2x32GB sticks of ram from sitting in their recommended slots. There were no low profile 32GB ram sticks in stock at my local dealer to replace them so I bought 4x16GB low profile ram sticks to compensate which just cleared my oversized cooler.
Moving forward about a year, I could've moved back to 2x32GB ram and sold the 4x16 sticks once I purchased my AIO but instead chose not to as they were already installed in my mid-tower build and worked just fine. I sold my 32's to a friend who purchased an E-ATX board.
@@nese1 *_"I have heard that people are having problems with the intel 2,5gb ethernet"_*
There are no issues, other than the fact that the ones crying about it happen to be noobs who have no clue how to get it going.
@@Jake-mn1qc My current mobo has the intel I225-V ethernet and works fine, that being said, I find your comment very delusional. Older mobos definitely had some hardware problems and it was a silicon lottery to get a good one.
Let's HOPE that more creator motherboards are made available for us, to avoid the "gaming" fuss on their design.....
I was looking forward to your review of the z790 ProArt and I'm disappointed because you basically said "go watch the z690 review". The problem is that review is not accurate at all for the z790. For example, you say there that the M.2 driives and the SATA drives are totally independent, but on the z790 there are some important differences. Refer to the "Connectors with shard bandwidth" page in the z790 ProArt manual and maybe (hopefully!) you do a full review of the z790, which I know many users were waiting for. Thank you for all your work!
Hmm, you should expand your channel to a large segment of PC builds market that is being greatly overlooked and under served. The Traders (Stock, Futures, Forex, and Crypto Traders) all need and build or have custom built for them high grade PC’s. The ASUS Z790 ProArt Creator boards are about the perfect for traders. High speed stable performance with fast internet connections on the board everything we need. The only thing different in our builds and needs from your Creators builds and needs is the high dollar high heat graphics boards, we don’t need them, we need very stable and reliable enterprise graphics boards and the best I know of is the Nvidia T1000 8GB which has 4-DisplayPorts able to run four 4K monitors at once with no issues and low heat. It would be nice if Intel and ASUS would get together and design the future Z890 ProArts able to support 256GB DDR5 or even DDR6 at 6000 or even 8800. Another thing Traders and Creator builds have in common is we don’t need or care for the RGB gaming crap, we need fast stable systems that are quite too. So would be easy for your to include Trader builds and optimal components for our builds in your vids which would increase your views and subscribers. Thanks and looking forward to your next vids.
Sentence of the day, "Exactly the Same". I liked the review, it bothers me when details like this are missing from the official site. I've been looking at the X570 creator for a server board but there is so SOO much missing from the documentation and no one has done a review for it as a server board to answer my questions.
I know one other person in the same situation, we're both waiting for each other to buy it and tell the other the answers to our questions haha.
if you want 3 usb 2.0 headers the proart x570 is perfect. finding boards with 3 of these headers is kinda rare now.
The one aspect that you can't see whether it is different or not are the PCB layer architecture. The difference there could be what allows the faster ram. It is something that is nearly impossible to check unless companies release that info which I don't see them ever doing.
YES!! I kinda knew they were very similar. But I'm gonna go for the Z790 just for the extra gen 4 PCI slot for extra m.2 on my DAW built. Thank you 👍🏻.
Well that extra PCIe will still run through the chipset unless you are willing to run the GPU at x8 instead of x16
@@cybyrd9615 At x8 PCIE gen 5? Because that’s equal to x16 PCIE 4.0 which is more than enough for any GPU.
I'm not running a graphics card, I'm kinda hoping the built in graphics of the 13900k will be enough for a DAW system (Recording music) nothing gfx intensive.
Nice review. Really wish motherboards would focus on PCIe 5.0 M.2 over the PCIe slot the GPU will be going in. By the time GPUs saturate PCIe 4.0 these boards will be very old, while drives are already being designed to use that bandwidth.
The issue isn’t the motherboard vendors the issue is the pcie lanes directly into the cpu itself. Alder lake and raptor lake only have 16 lanes of pcie5 bandwidth and 4 direct lanes of pcie4. So motherboard manufacturers are restricted from the start.
And a single PCIE 4.0 SSD has yet to saturate the bandwidth due to the controller.
Me looking at 3.0 that only barely is dying out. Meanwhile current 4.0 isn't pushing the limits. Lets be real 3-6 years 5.0 might be in full force
@@9manny99 all about patience tbh; PCIE 6.0 and 7.0 probably are already in development 😂
@@RJBuildsPcs With that kind of silly logic of yours one should always wait with upgrading.
Only downside for me is that there is no S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) optical audio output since I have premium audio DAC
I suggest the GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Master above the ProArt. It has better IO on the back than Asus and is a little cheaper. It's an E-ATX board, but has almost same size like a regular ATX board.
@@matthewwalsh2530 Was not aware of that but these are some very legit points from a professional standpoint. Gigabyte offers, for consumers I guess, a free 4 year warranty if you register your product btw.
about the same price.
@freejack159 I'm wondering between these two (Asus ProArt Z790 / Gigabyte AORUS Master Z790), but it's not so obvious decision, very hard choise to be honest and price in my country is exactly the same. For me IO on the back is much superior on Asus than on Gigabyte (there is HDMI 2.1, two DP 1.4, one more LAN 2,5Gb and two Thunderbolt ports and more audio outs (not important for me) on ASUS, on Gigabyte there is no HDMI at all, DP is 1.2 and no Thunderbolt) On the other hand I suppose there is better power control for the CPU on Gigabyte, but i dont know how much it could influence overall stability. Furthermore m.2 cooling with double sided thermopads on Gigabyte looks nicer than Asus where we can mount cooling only from one side of SSD.
I read an Amazon comment from a customer that said : "4 memory slots just won't work! It doesn't even boot with 128GB of RAM, despite Asus saying it supports 128GB of RAM! I've contacted Asus support and they tell me they haven't tested this motherboard with 4 RAM modules, so they can't offer any support."
So as I need 128Go, I'm wondering. Have you tested ? Does it work or not ?
790 actually supports 196 GB of RAM...check the website (vs the box)
I was on the point of swapping to this from my ROG Z690 Hero in order to get the additional 10GbE port (instead ofthe expansion card I'd been using), but then realised that this comes at the cost of only having one internal USB3.2 Gen1 header... Solution: a second hand ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme and all is good with my i9-13900k hitting clocks I wouldn't have thought possible a few years ago on air!
Wouldn't a USB3.2 split extension cable solve the one internal header problem?
It’s so cool getting excited when one of your favorite TH-camrs uploads EXACTLY what you’ve been looking for!
been waiting for this vid
Mine had issues after three weeks. Red and Amber LEDS's started flashing. Managed to get it to boot and it worked fine during the day (I was able to turn on and off fine) the next morning the issue repeated itself. This repeats every morning, currently back with Asus for investigation. Interestingly, the CMOS battery is not visible as it is located next to the HDMI ports under the plastic cover. You have to remove the mobo to undo the screws at the back of the board to remove the plastic cover which reveals the battery. However, Asus support has told me the battery is not designed to be removed? So what happens when the battery runs out? :(
Update: Asus support have issued me an update by way of an apology and retracted their original statement and have confirmed the battery is removable...... I'm still awaiting the result of their testing the board.
Excellent, honest and mind blowing review. You cleared my doubts.
Finaly! Thanks man
Great stuff. Thanks for keeping these reviews and comparisons coming!
One of the things I feel like is being missed about this motherboard, and made me not go with it in a recent build, is it's lack of a 7 segment POST display. I think it is extremely important to have this on any system that is designed for any kind of work/production. I really don't understand why it is missing on Asus ProArt motherboards for LGA 1700 and I assume it is missing for the AMD equivalents. These do have diagnostic LEDs and I assume they still have beep codes, but who wants to deal with either of those when a POST display can be much faster, easier, and granular in what information it can give you when troubleshooting a system. The POST display is useful for overclocking, sure, but I would also argue that it is very important for people who's main machine is integral to making a living. I think more people should be talking about this because that is the best way to get Asus to add this feature to future motherboards.
Also, I think you should review the w680 Asus motherboard since it also seems like a solid option for creators and might better fit some workstation needs and that motherboard basically has no TH-cam content.
just wanted to thank you for this vid, helped me build my current build with nearly identical parts - fyi i just used your code for a win10 key also! thanks again from Syd
Almost a $100 Cad more for minute differences happy I got the Z690
Hello 🙂 Hope you have better luck than me, no power up for mine, no reaction ☹️ Good continuation 😉
Asus makes best motherboards hands down for gamer, creator and business
Motherboard layout can alter the supported DDR speeds. So yeah can be mother board specific.
Awesome, have you or are you going to do the best B4B creators laptop video?
ITS HERE!!! :D YES! love all of it. Thanks mate.. you are the best...
Does Z790 support 128 GB with XMP profiles?
I have a Z690 and I can't get my 4 Dims of 32 GB Kingston Fury DDR5 RAM to run at 5600 MT/s without a random blue screen, they only run at a "stable" 4800 MT/s (because in games, the PC crashes) .
The only way to run at 5,600MT/s is by placing only 2 dims, that is, 64GB of Ram. With only 2 dims installed I have no problem.
Very nice video, man ! Totally appreciated
Great info. I have heard that, with z790, if you have an m.2 in the top pcie slot, it will cause the bandwidth of the your graphics card to reduce from 16 to 8 lanes, slightly reducing it's performance? Is this true?
If so, might it be better for a creator to go with z690 - considering that GPU performance is more important than ram speed for video editing?
i can say this happen to me on my aorus x570 xtreme motherboard. i have 3 2tb m2 pci 4.0 drives. i had all 3 filled. i have my 6900xt and 5950x. I notice a drop in performance. then i removed the 1st m2 drive and put it in the second m2 slot , the 2nd one to the 3rd slot. so now i have just 2 drives installed now. I had noticed a big jump in performance and stuttering stopped as well. so i can say having that that using that top m2 drive with a high gpu will cause performance loss.
I don't think so, Intel CPU has x16 PCIE 5.0 and x4 PCIE 4.0 (this is dedicated to the 1st M.2).
@@tbreeze79 interesting. Did moving your m.2 drive out of the top slot reduce it's speed?
@@tbreeze79 That's because AMD's CPU/APU PCIE lanes are tied together, they aren't separated.
@@AlfaPro1337 So this is a AMD problem not a Intel problem?
Thanks for the review. Been thinking of using this for my next build but considering the Gigabyte Aero G Z790 as well. A comparison would be a nice as they both target the creative market. Cheers
Hey
I don't know if you know but for the ASUS ProArt Wifi Z690 you cannot update the BIOS without also having access to a 12th gen CPU. I should correct myself; you CAN update the BIOS without a CPU installed, however, the BIOS requires Intel ME to be updated before you update the BIOS and for that you need to be running Windows on the machine first. The effect is therefore that you need the system up and running with a supported CPU from the 12th gen before updating the BIOS to add support for 13th gen. My guess is that most or at least some people who buy this might not have a 12th gen CPU lying around.
I should say that there are threads on the ASUS ROG forums discussing workarounds for this, but ASUS does not support any of these methods and if you decide to go for one of them, to quote the support tech I talked to, "you are on your own".
If you are lucky and the motherboard you bought is from a later batch that has already been preinstalled with a later BIOS supporting the 13th gen CPUs out of the box, then this isn't an issue, but I don't know if ASUS has actually shipped any Z690 with a BIOS supporting 13th gen directly from the factory. I would not take a chance on it anyway.
Another alternative is to ask your retailer if they can help you with the BIOS update before they ship the motherboard.
Just know that it is not as easy as popping in a USB with a BIOS update.
For me, I got an older BIOS with my ProArt Z690 and I opted to get the cheapest 12th gen CPU I could get to use for the Intel ME update before swapping for the actual CPU I intended to run with the system. It's still a lot cheaper than going for the Z790 edition in my case, but a lot more work, so it might not be worth spending the extra time for some.
All I really want to know from this comparison is which has the lowest DPC Latency.
I hope that's something you'll start bringing to your comparisons as it's one of the most important hidden features that XMG are really hot on with these Asus boards.
When I saw the price difference, it was only about $50 as of 1/15/23. Me personally, I don't really care about which one to use. I don't care about ddr5 memory. So I would likely use the z690 just so I can spend the $50 saving on ram.
Z690 is ddr5 as well...
Thanks for the review, I've been very curious about this. Can we see benchmarks?! I've seen benchmarks online that say Intel 13th Gen CPU's are 25% less powerful on z690, and some benchmarks that show virtually no difference- and would love to confirm this.
There are no CPU performance difference on z690 vs z790 :)
Would love to see you compare the MSI Z790 MEG ACE vs last years MSI Z690 MEG ACE!
I bought a new msi mpg carbon wifi z690 for $250 and it works fine with 13700k .
Hi! Great channel. Love the detailed reviews. Question: how would the ASUS Z790 ROG Maximus Formula rank against the Z790 Pro Art for Creative purposes? While it loses the 10 Megabit internet and 2 SATA ports, the Gaming Motherboard (Maximus Formula) can hold more memory (196 GB) and has an extra USB 3.2 port? Looking for the best specs creator board but for a WHITE build. Thanks for your help!
Great video, I like your topics! Does it have a 10GB lan or not? You have to mention that the thunderbolt is actually not 40GB, because it is split and then resulting into 10GB at the end! This is in general an issue that asus is aware and didnt fix since z690. Not sure if it really makes sense then to invest such an amount if they sell u smth that doesnt deliver the performance you are paying for.
Another quick pc build for this new mobo?
Got the Z690 based on your review, looking forward to building it and running some benchmarks 🏆👍🏾
My proart creator x570 has 3 usb 2.0 headers :) currently using it for gaming but also have a strix b550 for when i do a custom loop
Can anyone tell me where the bios battery is located on the motherboard? What part of the motherboard is it on? (ASUS ProArt Z690-CREATOR WIFI LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard)
It's under the plastic shroud that houses the i/o ports. It sits in between the 10G ethernet and HDMI port.
You said , good antennas .. how did you test these in particular and did you compare them? thanks
Thanks Man Awesome Help🧑🧑👍👍✌✌
it's crazy how this is probably the cheapest asus z790 board if you want 6 or more sata ports, all those cheaper f-gaming, a-gaming series boards cut down their 6 ports on z690 to 4 on the z790.
None of the influencers has mentioned a thing about the type and placement of the CMOS battery. The manual doesn't even show one. So where is it?
nice detailed video.
Your vids rock! What about memory stability z690 vs z790? That would make the z790 worth the extra $$$. I've been avoiding DDR5 motherboards because DDR5 is unstable at 128 Gigs of ram. Does the z790 board's new advertised AEMP II memory technology solve that? As an After Effects user I'd love to see a memory stability test with 128 gigs of ram at different speeds and settings. Thank you!
I have 128GB of Corsair Dominator (bought as 2 twin packs) on the Z790 - I let the board handle all the settings. Not run into any stability issues yet. It passed several passes of MemTest86, and a few renders / games work fine. Haven't really tested it more than that though.
You have it running at 6000mhz?
Thank you
Asus loses in reliability as they are the most failed motherboard for long term.
Nice to know the difference, and a question, can I put i9 14900 on it?
I'm wondering between these two (Asus ProArt Z790 / Gigabyte AORUS Master Z790), but it's not so obvious decision, very hard choise to be honest and price in my country is exactly the same. For me IO on the back is much superior on Asus than on Gigabyte (there is HDMI 2.1, two DP 1.4, one more LAN 2,5Gb and two Thunderbolt ports and more audio outs (not important for me) on ASUS, on Gigabyte there is no HDMI at all, DP is 1.2 and no Thunderbolt) On the other hand I suppose there is better power control for the CPU on Gigabyte, but i dont know how much it could influence overall stability. Furthermore m.2 cooling with double sided thermopads on Gigabyte looks nicer than Asus where we can mount cooling only from one side of SSDs.
I'd go with Asus :)
Hello My friend, I follow you from a couple of week, when I discovered your channel, I am a surveyor or "Geodesic and topography engineer", I work with Photogrammetry from drones and building photogrammetry and very large of civil engineering project, Could you (some day) make a video with a Pc oriented to this field? Thank you very much!!! I enjoy soo much your channnel. I have a new pc and I had the DDR5 problem, I spent 1 month try to make work the 4 dimm of kingstong 6000 with 64 Gb in total, until I saw you video and I thought I was wrong until that, thank for you video, Are there any mother board than work property with 4 dimm of ddr5?
I purchased and rebuilt my computer with this Mobo and I have a question. Can you, or should you keep the wifi turned on while using the ethernet connection? And by the way, thank you for pointing me toward this Mobo. I am very happy with it's performance. The Noctua cooler, I thinks works very well, as it maintains the CPU temp at about 80 degrees Celcius. Looking forward to your reply.
Base ram speed on z790 with 128gb should be 5200mhz, z790 should have extra X4 pcie on chipset
Takes a shot everytime you say "exactly the same"
I believe this motherboard is excessive for a creator's needs. I appreciate its minimalist design without gaming branding or LED lighting. I am happy that the brand is expanding its marketing to PC building for creators, but it should offer a more budget-friendly version. I'm not willing to spend more than $300 on a motherboard.
Question about the flexing ILM. Z790 fixed the Z690 problem or not? Thanks in advance.
8:15 gets to nitty gritty
Hello, Thanks for very good comparison. Where the ProArt_Z790-CREATOR_WIFI on board battery is located? I am experiencing a situation in which in every AC disconnection (unplug) there is no display and clear RTC is needed.
Hey ive been searching everywhere for this comparison. would you please put z690pa z790pa comparison in the title or decription so ppl can find it easier ? Appreciate it, thank you 🤟
Done!
No dual Thunderbolt though 😕. Is there a newer Intel version equivalent to the X670E?
Does iGPU out thru HDMI port only or TB4 ports also? Thanks
Hi, is there any change in the BIOS settings regarding CPU undervolting with the Z790 because with the Z690 Creator, there is no settings available to undervolt the PCU (there is no menu that allows to disable Undervolt Protection) like there is with the ROG series.
I got the AM5 chipset version, is it any different from the Z790? Mine is the X670e
TH-cam turned my alerts from your channel off! Smh youtube playing around with creatives
Hi there,
You are honestly my last resort while looking for answers cause I did not want to hassle you with my problems,
but I have sincerely being looking for these answers for over two months now and have gotten nowhere :(
I'm a brand designer, (I mostly use Adobe CC subscription).
I am slowly but gradually building my new graphics & video editing pc
around the asus Pro art Z790 wifi mob, after watching your awesome builds with it.
I have three questions:
1. Will it work with the intel i9 13900KS?
2. I would like to load it with as much DDR5 memory as it can handle (the fastest memory possible)?
3. Will it handle 2 Asus Pro art 4070ti GPUS?
If anyone here has a valid answer to any of my questions I would greatly appreciate the help!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
20 PCIe lanes is of no use for my 3 audio cards, 2 capture cards, and 1 video card. The 4x NVMe drives will consume 16 lanes all by themselves. One of those "gaming CPU's" with limited features for Creators.
Let's be honest.
When hardware brands put "Creator" or "Art" in their product name, you know they take you for an Apple fan turkey.
And they will treat you just like one, with a big unjustified premium for the word.
Those motherboards like their Asus ProArt monitors series are exactly that.
This one even more so than the previous generation.
"Creators" should just completely avoid the ProArt motherboard series, current or old as much as possible.
When you can find classic "gaming" motherboards with all the features for 3/4 of the price or even half and often with better VRM cooling.
For 20 bucks you get the button for the gpu and improved bios out of box. And expanded ddr5 speed compatibility? (or do they have the same once the 690 bios is updated?)
I would like to see, A video putting 13th gen in older z690 board, I've personally been having problems myself going to 13th gen on my strix Z690-E Gaming board. !! It will not Post
Did you update bios beforehand?
@@theTechNotice Yes Sir,
Is ASUS Z790-Creator ProArt compatible with Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 ? Do I have to change something or it is ready to use out of the box ?
Easy to recommend expensive boards. What about high performance budget boards?
@TECH_NOTICE you are not genuine, I came across people like you.
Hi, did you find the cell battery?
10:30 To the left middle, there are two holes for the motherboard stand offs screws. Just below them there are two Philips screws (horizontally) on the motherboard at the left. But not on the motherboard on the right. What is going on there?
I just found out that it is for the the PCIe Slot Q-Release button.
What is the function of Display Port (In)? I have a macbook pro 16 inch. Does it mean that I can just connect the TB3 to the TB4 USB-C slot and then connect a DP cable from the monitor to that motherboard board and it works?
z790 boards has improved memory traces. you can't "just update the z690" cuz the memory traces on z690 is bargo.
If you connect this motherboard's USB 3.2 gen 2x2 front-panel header to a Lian Li O11D EVO's front-panel connector which is specified as "USB 3.1 Type C" what speed will the front-panel USB-C operate at? 20Gbps or 5Gbps? As far as I have been able to decipher the mechanical and electrical connectors should be the same with identical wiring between USB 3.1 gen 2 and USB 3.2 gen 2x2 and my logic would say that the connector is 'dumb' and the motherboard's capabilities should define the port speed, but it wouldn't be the first time my logic fails the reality check test. Also is there any power delivery limitations with the Lian Li's front-panel I/O cabling since the ProArt Z790 board can support up to 60W of PD charging?
I have a msi gtx 1080 gaming x , is it compatible with the z790 motherboards?
Do you know what version of the thunderbolt controller firmware nvm is running on z790. Z690 comes with v31… although bios 2204 updates it, which fixes some issues but causes other issues as well.
There is a controversy going on about the inputs. Does it have the 20gbs 3.2 gen 2x2 input or not?
so are the proart motherboards better for content creation than say like tuf z790 mbs?
the motherboard specs are awesome but if i want dual rtx4090 or rtx4080... the pcie slot width are not enough... ouch.
Buy the lian li case evo and u can fit one horizontal and one verticals. With pcie cable extension
@Tech Notice Q. Did you put on a contact frame?
I have the Z690 Creator, Z790 got released way way to late for me
I removed the PCH plastic cover, it traps heat under it - I absolutely don't understand what ASUS was thinking with covering the PCH
What is the PCH
@@LeeNashMusic the Z690, the Z790 is the PCH
Which motherboard do y'all recommend for the 13700k. That isn't this expensive. I sometimes edit videos and I'm a gamer.
*Exactly the Same* 😵💫😵💫😵💫
Is Asus Rog z790 extreme also best for creators or not? For i9 13900k and rtx4090
could you please recommend a build for i7 13700 with ~$2000-2500~~ thank you~~~
I am looking for Intel 12th gen motherboard it should be white and silver any suggestions?
About time 😂
Hi, I would like to know if ASUS Z790 memory certification topped at DDR5-7200 because DDR5-8000 was not yet available in time for the tests so they did not updated their certification specs so this motherboard can overclock to DDR5-8000 ? Or it really limited at DR5-7200 and can't go higher ? Thanks
ASUS is going to charge more (at least triple digit $) for a more-or-less same feature.
Frustrated I upgraded my computer to PC Win 11 with a ASUS Pro-Art 790. The MB supports TB 3 but how do I connect my Apollo Twin X with TB2 ?. I tried the Apple TB 3 to TB 2 but my MB doesn't see my Apollo. ( yes TB is set to ON in the BIOS ) Any help would be appreciated
What are the technical differences between this and z790 Hero Maximus, LAN and USB ports? This is a bit cheaper.
i thinks its only the ram speeds
planty best motherboard - prices/money also best
the Z690 sport overcloke ?