Plus anything you create with Adobe can be stolen legally and sold by them with you getting 0 just be Lucky they ain't offering Disney+ Subs those will get you ☠️ and you're family/loved ones won't be able to sue even if it's 100% Disney's Fault.
Comparison of ProArt X670E to X870E: Improvements: - Wifi 7 instead of Wifi 6E - Bluetooth 5.4 instead of 5.3 - Third PCIE slot is now connected 4.0x4 instead of 4.0x2 - Wifi connector is now quick-connect - 80A MOSFETs instead of 50A Deterioration: - Front USB-C is only 30 W power delivery instead of 60 W because 6-pin PCIE has been removed - 12V ARGB connector has been removed Everything else has remained exactly the same! A surcharge of around 100 €/$/£ is in no way justified, the X670E has the better price-performance ratio, although the performance is identical except for Wifi/BT.
@@theTechNotice Official RAM support is the same. X670E RAM-Clock frequency OC: DDR5-8000 RAM-Clock frequency nativ: DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 7000), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix2), DDR5-5600 (Ryzen 9000) X870E RAM-Clock frequency OC: DDR5-8000 RAM-Clock frequency nativ: DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 7000), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix2), DDR5-5600 (Ryzen 9000) RAM Clock depends on the CPU. not on the mainboard chipset. The X870 chipset is said to be a bit more stable when overclocking, so that you may be able to achieve slightly higher clock speeds with overclocking. But that is not guaranteed.
If you look at other x870E boards like the MSI carbon wifi, all m.2 and expansion slots etc on the board are all tool less and you get the dbug digital code box vs just the little blinking lights. And this kind of money deserves those features standard, I think ROG and the Tichi boards also come standard with the deatures.
Some things omitted: the x870e proart is basically a x670e proart. Not much changes apart to two important things: 1. TB4/USB4 support: I believe they went from to ASM4242 to JHL8540 for the usb4 controller. This increase total bandwith from 32gbps to 60gbps (40+20). That's more bandwith, and better usb4 supports (no need to restart the computer when changing tb type devices. 2. WIFI 7. Other than this, that's pretty much the same mobos. the X670e proart might become a very good cost effective version for ryzen computer.
And the CLR CMOS button on the back, no more using screwdriver to short the 2 pins on the motherboard... and the front panel pins area no longer as confusing as the X670E is one long row of pins.. that makes it hard to see it is a connection for front panel.
Well, Hardware Unboxed actually tested the speed of the USB4 ports on the Asus ROG Crosshair X870E Hero (which likely has the same controller as ProArt) and reached a max of 4GB/s transfer speed. So yeah... I doubt it's much faster than X670E's USB4 ports if at all.
@@Nayah9 We don't have the methodology of HW unboxed. The new controllers use more lanes, and ASM4242 supports more bandwith than JHL8540. It really depends on what host controller they used to on the usb4.0 usb device. Examples: 1. ASM2464PD usb controller delivers up to 30 Gbit/s. 2. There is few 10gbe -> TB ethernet adapters, some use sata (IOCREST), limiting the real speed to 6gbps. Hardware unboxed will have to test using a USB controller that can leverage the 40gbps+, and storage (or else) that can support 40+gbps. There is other things that ASM4242 can bring over JHL8540 on x670e (to be confirmed): Hot swappable device doesn't work well on JHL8540, it was recommended to have a restart before you plug devices, and typically TB4 device were not working well (if not at all) when hotswaped. I hope this is fixed with this new iteration of boards.
Honestly the ROG CROSSHAIR X870E HERO is better in terms of raw motherboard power, and the AsRock X870 Pro RS is by far the best in value. Just $200 for a current gen chipset on launch! It'll go well with 9600Xs and RX 8600s when RDNA 4 releases.
The Corsshair doesn;t even have a 10GBBe port what is that scam? some older 10G Nases might not even link at 5Gbe, falling back to 1Gbe. I would not consider that at all
why would you care about raw motherboard power for a 9600x When basically all x870 and x670 are overkill for even the 9950x As they were designed for the 7950x (it uses a bit more power than the 9950x) X870 is all about USB4 and pci lanes
no q-code or onboard power/reset buttons are kind of a deal breaker for me, regardless of the amount of rear i/o. :( no rear armor is kind of annoying, and no optical audio is also odd IMO. Love the USB and 10Gb ethernet port though. I feel like this makes some odd cuts considering it's for creators and considering its price.
I don't know why they didn't just make one of the 3.5mm jacks an optical combo. Still, it's easy enough to add a USB-to-optical audio adapter if you need it. The exclusion of optical on a PC is not the same kind of catastrophe as the exclusion of optical on Xbox. Lack of code readout at this price point is inexcusable.
One m.2 is PCIE 4.0. If you use the third PCIE5 M.2 graphics run at x8. Also, Asus had coil whine issues in idle for their last gen VRM designs, and slight ticking noises for their b550 boards of this class. You would only know that, if you actually make a silent build, so I guess there is no point in asking here for that?
Differences between ProArt X870E and X670E ("+" is upgrade, "=" is sidegrade, "-" is downgrade): + WiFi 7 VS 6E. + Bluetooth 5.4 VS 5.2. + 80A VS 70A power stages. + 1st M.2 slot has a tool-less heatsink and an improved underside heatsink. + 1st GPU slot locking mechanism is improved (can have two hands on the GPU for removal now). + Clear CMOS now has a button on the I/O shield instead of 2 pins you have to jump on the board. = WiFi antenna can't be securely screwed into place anymore. = Number of gen5 M.2 slots is UNCHANGED unlike what is stated in the video (7:02). = RAM compatibility and max speed is UNCHANGED unlike what is stated in the video (12:15). = Bottom PCIe 4.0 expansion slot is now x4 VS x2 previously. In return, you have to give up 4 lanes of a PCIe gen5 expansion slot instead of 2 lanes of a M.2 gen4 slot. - 12V RGB header removed. - USB-C front-panel connector supports 30W fast charging VS 60W previously.
You neglected to mention USB4 is now standard - quite important for future proofing. These boards are typically kept longer by content creators than the gaming boards bought by 'kids'. ;-)
@@brianhoward9217 USB4 was already present on the ProArt X670E with exactly the same amount of ports. That's why I didn't mention it. Other X670E boards also have USB4 ports like the ASUS ROG Crosshair Hero. Only difference now is that all X870E boards must include USB4 ports.
You missed the most crucial difference, which is regarding PCI-E lane distribution. The USB4 ports are now on CPU lanes, so they no longer compete with things connected to the chipset. This is good in some ways, because this type of board was known for IO congestion on the chipset causing issues with dropped USB4 devices etc. However, it also has the consequence of degrading the primary PCI-E x16 slot to x8 if you populate the second M.2 slot, something which did not happen in the Proart X670E. Basically, Proart X670E vs X870E is a choice between prioritizing M.2 storage vs USB4. If you want to run two 5.0 SSDs at full speed without affecting the GPU slot, choose Proart X670E. If you want max USB4 stability and performance without chipset bottlenecks, choose the proart X870E.
@@mettana7448 It is crucial info like this I'm glad and grateful to see. I'm surprised the reviewers don't often explain this in simple language as it is so important and confusing to many. Thank you.
I havn't checked it, but you can be sure it shares the lanes between the Pcie slots and the m.2 slots. The Hero and Wifi 870E boards both limits you to use their 2'nd Pcie slot (they just have 2 Pcie gen 5 Pcie slots .. not a third gen 4 dependent on how many m.2 slots you use) So if you want to use all 3 m.2 slots this will disable the 2'nd X16 slot .. and using the 4'th M.2 probably will disable the gen 4 x4 slot too. You don't have lanes enough for using everything at the same time. So these boards are kinda of a tease. They got a lot of connectivity, but you can't use everything at once 😐
Thats been the case for the past 10 years or more. My x99 HEDT board with a 40 lane CPU still needs mental gymnastics if I want to use GPU/M.2 and USB3.2 all at the same time. I lose a slot or the x4 goes to x1...
They already have a solution for quick release on the m.2 slots as they implemented that on their gamer focused Crosshair Hero board. No reason they couldn't have implemented it here. And the Hero is $700... so I can only imagine what this costs with all Gen5 m.2 ports and 10Gb Ethernet.
I love it when you get excited about the 10G Ethernet on your new motherboard, and then when you plug it in, you realize everything else you have on the network is pre-10G and incapable of that speed!😅
I think the ProArt designs are based on Leonardo Da Vinci's basic geometry studies, and precursors to his point of reference and perspective studies...
i have the x670e version and love it, it’s my favourite motherboard. Decent upgrades and minimal downgrades. I do use the 60W usb PD on my case but 30w is enough I guess. While I would probably still get the x670e ProArt for a new pc as it’s cheaper and more or less the same, I’m also really glad they are launching a new version with the new chipset
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It isn't, because they've put the two main PCI-E slots too close together. Get the Hero so you have the choice of running something alongside your 3 slot 4090, like another 4090.
That is a very good point, even my PNY RTX 4070Ti Verto takes up slightly more than 3 slots, closer to 3.2 slots. This is not just exclusive to Asus, but many of the X870E motherboards from the other manufacturers have a PCIe slot that is rendered useless when a 3 slot video card is inserted. Most of this poor design implementation can be mitigated by a relatively simple design change by swapping out the PCIe slot position with one of the lower M.2 SSD positions.
Please do a video about the loss of the 8 pin power connector on this board vs the x670e creator using two GPUs (bench for speed and stability). That would be a review for creators who use 3D software that uses multiple GPUs and fill all their slots and PCIe lanes with drives.
another important difference between x670e and x870e is the removal of the third pcie power slot that allows for 60w fast charging with the front panel usb-c
remember the days when used to have power buttons, error codes for debugging, clear cmos button on the IO pannel, oh and maybe a back plate for esthetics or if a solid motherboard satisfies? and you are talking about basic features that if they don't exist then people wouldn't even look at the board, let alone the price.
For future reference, putting the price early in the video would be handy so I can understand the price to performance. Excellent video otherwise! Thanks for the info.
Amazing review. It does have great options. Cant wait for the build with that board. I am really contemplating switching from my 12700k to a 7900x or 9700x.
I am considering this one, or the ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E GAMING WIFI. Both around the 500 euro's, and no huge differences. So that makes it a hard decision ;-)
I wonder what DDR5 memory modules really can be used on this motherboard for 128+ GB with AMD Ryzen 9 9900X CPU? None of the RAM manufacturers still guarantee the compatibility of 4 modules with a total capacity of 128 GB (4x32GB) or more even for Intel's desktop processors...
I’m beyond pissed because I bought the ProArt X670E two weeks ago and found out it doesn’t truly support 128gb ram. Website support is mediocre at best. I purchased everything ProArt thinking it would work well.
I can't even turn on the expo ram on the 6800 bus since the new bios update for the 9950x, so I'm looking into switching to x870 aorus master or carbon
Great video as usual! Also, would this motherboard be the best choice for a 4090 w/ full bandwidth in the PCIE_1 slot and using an elgato capture card in the PCIE_3 slot?
I think that the best mobo is the X870E Taichi, cause i read that all other X870E mobos cut down the lanes to x8 on the x16 PCIE slot when all the M.2 slots are populated.
@@mycuriouschild That's awesome. I'm also thinking of trying to get a new X870E mobo, because i'm an enthusiast. Currently i have a GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER with a 7950X3D. And what i want is to upgrade to X870E with a 9950X3D when it comes out. And i would really like to get the best mobo for that. But i wonder if there's other X870E mobos like the Taichi which do not cut PCIE lanes, because i have 4 M.2 NVMe SSDs currently on my X670E AORUS MASTER and my mobo does not cut any PCIE lanes. Also i really really like the X870E Taichi and i'm very very tempted to get one cause it also has a backplate and i really like mobos with backplates lol.
My Mac M1 with Thunderbolt 4 is the ultimate Pro Art. I feel a bit sheepish admitting it since I have a soft spot for my PC. But Thunderbolt 4 is a must-have for me. I'd be willing to give up some features on this board just to have Thunderbolt 4. I believe that one of the 670E Pro Art models comes equipped with Thunderbolt 4. It's time for Intel and AMD to catch up with the latest technology trends. I understand that Thunderbolt may not be a top priority for gamers.
Regarding the "Advanced IA" I believe it has to do with the BIOS is capable of measuring CPU / RAM / Cooler performance / Temperature / Frequency and suggest or apply custom values automatically. (I have the X870E Strix model and this is what it refers to)
No post code for a professional? No quick disconnect for the graphics card, a large graphics card will likely cover up the extra PCI slot. This board is missing the little details that other X870e boards have.
It is frustrating how Thunderbolt 4 is so difficult to get for those who need it. The Thunderbolt 3 Gigabyte Maple Ridge works both my 10 year old Asus X99-A and my AM5 Asus 670e
Right but... if I'm not a famous TH-camr, and I have a problem with my motherboard, will ASUS treat me the same way? I mean, couple of months testing motherboards that needed to be RMA'd, I don't know. Hmm... how's Gigabyte doing? I've actually had problems with MSI so it's the only option I have left.
can you please tell me which one is best for both gaming ( RT on ) and editing in ultra high setting. which CPU is best purchase from ryzen 7 7800x3d, ryzen 9 7900x3d, ryzen 9 9900x, ryzen 7 950x, ( or else please you can advise it no one from the above) love from Delhi
Nah, I got a really good deal on X670E ProArt a month ago and I am happy I did not wait for X870E. I would barely call this a meaningful upgrade. Still does not include the Q Code display, lol
Their website says 2 x m.2 G5, 2 x gen 4 (bottom two in the long heatsink = gen 4)? What would that mean (assuming 2 x 4, 2 x 5 is correct) for say, 2 x 4080s (5080s) and then 4 x nvmes in all of the available slots. Where does the hobbling begin (assuming you have fastest possible drives for the slots)?
Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to this board, to be driven from iGPU using 9900X CPU? I understand this board has 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU? (of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?) I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and X870/X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics.
I watch your videos, but I wonder why you're so wed to Adobe and ASUS. Adobe's software is very good, but they're not the only game in town. Their business practices are horrible. For me, that overrides the value of their software. As for ASUS...they did not invent anti-consumer practices any more than Adobe did. But like Adobe, they have given a strong effort towards leading the field in crookedness. In both cases there are plenty of competitive products and many of those competitive products are less expensive. Either way, the X870e advantage over the X670e does exist. But it's a slim advantage with a questionable value proposition. Just saying.
@@IraQNid You can add in a PCIe DAC that has optical out, but that's not the same as using the Onboard Realtek ALC1220 DAC. Most PCIe and USB DACs don't have the option to enable windows loudness equalization.
I bought Proart X870E and already have Adobe Creative Cloud subscription. How do get my 3 months free code which this Asus Proart comes with? Cant find it on the box.
If I was making a Pro/ Creator motherboard I would want it to have the best compatibility for the highest capacity RAM configurations for DDR5. If this motherboard doesn't do that the best then there's plenty of better "Creator" motherboard choices at it's price range. And for the "Pros" this board doesn't even have a postcode or ECLK, which doesn't make sense given it's price lol. ASUS being stingy as always.
Can we put 3 gpus in the 3 pcie slots? (I know the 3rd slot will face bandwidth bottlenecking, but is it doable?) (asking from 3d rendering perspective)
If my primary display supports power through its primary display cable to charge the device that it is receiving the display from (such as a laptop), will this cause any issues for the motherboard when plugged into this motherboard via the display passthrough/USB4 port? I've used a DisplayPort to USB-C cable to adapt an older PC to my display, and it seemed to work just fine. I'm just not sure if it'd do anything if plugged straight into the MoBo. Thanks!
Is there a micro atx version? I prefer my creator pc to be a bit smaller so it can chill under my desk a bit better. Not itx as thats too small i do need my nvmes n such xD
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3 months of Adobe is never free.
And with ASUS? There's no warranty on it, they stated that you CID your product.
After that promo, you can keep a lot of crap in your pc for life! Don’t complain.
Asus mobos = good Asus lappys = bad now u know when not to buy SIMPLE.
Plus anything you create with Adobe can be stolen legally and sold by them with you getting 0 just be Lucky they ain't offering Disney+ Subs those will get you ☠️ and you're family/loved ones won't be able to sue even if it's 100% Disney's Fault.
they are smoking some straight crack these days when they come up with the prices for motherboards
Comparison of ProArt X670E to X870E:
Improvements:
- Wifi 7 instead of Wifi 6E
- Bluetooth 5.4 instead of 5.3
- Third PCIE slot is now connected 4.0x4 instead of 4.0x2
- Wifi connector is now quick-connect
- 80A MOSFETs instead of 50A
Deterioration:
- Front USB-C is only 30 W power delivery instead of 60 W because 6-pin PCIE has been removed
- 12V ARGB connector has been removed
Everything else has remained exactly the same!
A surcharge of around 100 €/$/£ is in no way justified, the X670E has the better price-performance ratio, although the performance is identical except for Wifi/BT.
I think that applies to pretty much for all x870s.
I believe we can add a better RAM support to that list as well.
The extra 12 V power connector below the 24 pin on the 670E is also missing on the new one.
@@theTechNotice Official RAM support is the same.
X670E
RAM-Clock frequency OC: DDR5-8000
RAM-Clock frequency nativ: DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 7000), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix2), DDR5-5600 (Ryzen 9000)
X870E
RAM-Clock frequency OC: DDR5-8000
RAM-Clock frequency nativ: DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 7000), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix2), DDR5-5600 (Ryzen 9000)
RAM Clock depends on the CPU. not on the mainboard chipset. The X870 chipset is said to be a bit more stable when overclocking, so that you may be able to achieve slightly higher clock speeds with overclocking. But that is not guaranteed.
@@minhtthach7754 Correct, all X870 boards have almost no "improvements"
Solid video. I just got mine the other day and can't wait to do my 1st build.
Imagine shilling for Asus and Adobe still
If you look at other x870E boards like the MSI carbon wifi, all m.2 and expansion slots etc on the board are all tool less and you get the dbug digital code box vs just the little blinking lights. And this kind of money deserves those features standard, I think ROG and the Tichi boards also come standard with the deatures.
It's a shame. I suppose they do it not to cannibalize sales of the high-end ROG.
The screw driver argument is a weird one. You still need a screwdriver to install the motherboard anyway. Unless your a zip tie guy.
It's not about the initial install. Its about accessibility after the motherboard is installed and your doing upgrades.
These manufacturer need to stop making the components "user friendly". Bring back the seven segment display. On these creator boards.
Like Linus does with CPUs and cooling fans?
Also consider without a magnetic screw driver m.2 screws are a bitch. MB screws aren’t as difficult to maneuver.
@@joelg1318 there is one... its right there.
Some things omitted: the x870e proart is basically a x670e proart. Not much changes apart to two important things:
1. TB4/USB4 support: I believe they went from to ASM4242 to JHL8540 for the usb4 controller. This increase total bandwith from 32gbps to 60gbps (40+20). That's more bandwith, and better usb4 supports (no need to restart the computer when changing tb type devices.
2. WIFI 7.
Other than this, that's pretty much the same mobos. the X670e proart might become a very good cost effective version for ryzen computer.
And the CLR CMOS button on the back, no more using screwdriver to short the 2 pins on the motherboard... and the front panel pins area no longer as confusing as the X670E is one long row of pins.. that makes it hard to see it is a connection for front panel.
Well, Hardware Unboxed actually tested the speed of the USB4 ports on the Asus ROG Crosshair X870E Hero (which likely has the same controller as ProArt) and reached a max of 4GB/s transfer speed. So yeah... I doubt it's much faster than X670E's USB4 ports if at all.
@@Nayah9
We don't have the methodology of HW unboxed. The new controllers use more lanes, and ASM4242 supports more bandwith than JHL8540.
It really depends on what host controller they used to on the usb4.0 usb device.
Examples:
1. ASM2464PD usb controller delivers up to 30 Gbit/s.
2. There is few 10gbe -> TB ethernet adapters, some use sata (IOCREST), limiting the real speed to 6gbps.
Hardware unboxed will have to test using a USB controller that can leverage the 40gbps+, and storage (or else) that can support 40+gbps.
There is other things that ASM4242 can bring over JHL8540 on x670e (to be confirmed): Hot swappable device doesn't work well on JHL8540, it was recommended to have a restart before you plug devices, and typically TB4 device were not working well (if not at all) when hotswaped. I hope this is fixed with this new iteration of boards.
Honestly the ROG CROSSHAIR X870E HERO is better in terms of raw motherboard power, and the AsRock X870 Pro RS is by far the best in value. Just $200 for a current gen chipset on launch! It'll go well with 9600Xs and RX 8600s when RDNA 4 releases.
The rear I/O on the Crosshair is nowhere near as good as this ProArt.
Word. Such a scam to cheep out on that 8 pin power connector.
The Corsshair doesn;t even have a 10GBBe port what is that scam? some older 10G Nases might not even link at 5Gbe, falling back to 1Gbe. I would not consider that at all
why would you care about raw motherboard power for a 9600x
When basically all x870 and x670 are overkill for even the 9950x
As they were designed for the 7950x (it uses a bit more power than the 9950x)
X870 is all about USB4 and pci lanes
And ram speeds@@thelbp
no q-code or onboard power/reset buttons are kind of a deal breaker for me, regardless of the amount of rear i/o. :( no rear armor is kind of annoying, and no optical audio is also odd IMO. Love the USB and 10Gb ethernet port though. I feel like this makes some odd cuts considering it's for creators and considering its price.
I don't know why they didn't just make one of the 3.5mm jacks an optical combo. Still, it's easy enough to add a USB-to-optical audio adapter if you need it. The exclusion of optical on a PC is not the same kind of catastrophe as the exclusion of optical on Xbox. Lack of code readout at this price point is inexcusable.
One m.2 is PCIE 4.0. If you use the third PCIE5 M.2 graphics run at x8. Also, Asus had coil whine issues in idle for their last gen VRM designs, and slight ticking noises for their b550 boards of this class. You would only know that, if you actually make a silent build, so I guess there is no point in asking here for that?
Yeah this video is disappointing... All this repeated talk while still missing key details ffs
"graphics run at x8"
only the 2nd GPU, if you have 2:
"PCIEX16(G5)_2 slot shares bandwidth with M.2_2"
I got the ASUS x670 Crosshair Extreme. Definitely good to go for a while
Differences between ProArt X870E and X670E ("+" is upgrade, "=" is sidegrade, "-" is downgrade):
+ WiFi 7 VS 6E.
+ Bluetooth 5.4 VS 5.2.
+ 80A VS 70A power stages.
+ 1st M.2 slot has a tool-less heatsink and an improved underside heatsink.
+ 1st GPU slot locking mechanism is improved (can have two hands on the GPU for removal now).
+ Clear CMOS now has a button on the I/O shield instead of 2 pins you have to jump on the board.
= WiFi antenna can't be securely screwed into place anymore.
= Number of gen5 M.2 slots is UNCHANGED unlike what is stated in the video (7:02).
= RAM compatibility and max speed is UNCHANGED unlike what is stated in the video (12:15).
= Bottom PCIe 4.0 expansion slot is now x4 VS x2 previously. In return, you have to give up 4 lanes of a PCIe gen5 expansion slot instead of 2 lanes of a M.2 gen4 slot.
- 12V RGB header removed.
- USB-C front-panel connector supports 30W fast charging VS 60W previously.
You neglected to mention USB4 is now standard - quite important for future proofing. These boards are typically kept longer by content creators than the gaming boards bought by 'kids'. ;-)
@@brianhoward9217 USB4 was already present on the ProArt X670E with exactly the same amount of ports. That's why I didn't mention it.
Other X670E boards also have USB4 ports like the ASUS ROG Crosshair Hero. Only difference now is that all X870E boards must include USB4 ports.
You missed the most crucial difference, which is regarding PCI-E lane distribution. The USB4 ports are now on CPU lanes, so they no longer compete with things connected to the chipset. This is good in some ways, because this type of board was known for IO congestion on the chipset causing issues with dropped USB4 devices etc. However, it also has the consequence of degrading the primary PCI-E x16 slot to x8 if you populate the second M.2 slot, something which did not happen in the Proart X670E. Basically, Proart X670E vs X870E is a choice between prioritizing M.2 storage vs USB4. If you want to run two 5.0 SSDs at full speed without affecting the GPU slot, choose Proart X670E. If you want max USB4 stability and performance without chipset bottlenecks, choose the proart X870E.
@@mettana7448 It is crucial info like this I'm glad and grateful to see. I'm surprised the reviewers don't often explain this in simple language as it is so important and confusing to many. Thank you.
It's nice to see Asus finally making a budget ProArt board for once, this is a nice simple board.
Hopefully they hit the $300usd range.
I havn't checked it, but you can be sure it shares the lanes between the Pcie slots and the m.2 slots. The Hero and Wifi 870E boards both limits you to use their 2'nd Pcie slot (they just have 2 Pcie gen 5 Pcie slots .. not a third gen 4 dependent on how many m.2 slots you use) So if you want to use all 3 m.2 slots this will disable the 2'nd X16 slot .. and using the 4'th M.2 probably will disable the gen 4 x4 slot too. You don't have lanes enough for using everything at the same time. So these boards are kinda of a tease. They got a lot of connectivity, but you can't use everything at once 😐
Thats been the case for the past 10 years or more. My x99 HEDT board with a 40 lane CPU still needs mental gymnastics if I want to use GPU/M.2 and USB3.2 all at the same time. I lose a slot or the x4 goes to x1...
They already have a solution for quick release on the m.2 slots as they implemented that on their gamer focused Crosshair Hero board. No reason they couldn't have implemented it here. And the Hero is $700... so I can only imagine what this costs with all Gen5 m.2 ports and 10Gb Ethernet.
I love it when you get excited about the 10G Ethernet on your new motherboard, and then when you plug it in, you realize everything else you have on the network is pre-10G and incapable of that speed!😅
This is one of my wanted features as I have 10g home network
I think the ProArt designs are based on Leonardo Da Vinci's basic geometry studies, and precursors to his point of reference and perspective studies...
Ahhh another needlessly expensive motherboard for almost zero gain.
i have the x670e version and love it, it’s my favourite motherboard. Decent upgrades and minimal downgrades.
I do use the 60W usb PD on my case but 30w is enough I guess.
While I would probably still get the x670e ProArt for a new pc as it’s cheaper and more or less the same, I’m also really glad they are launching a new version with the new chipset
Solid review. Thanks!
Four Onboard M.2 Slots
ProArt X870E-Creator WiFi features two PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots to enjoy the fastest data transfers of up to 128 Gbps*, and all M.2 slots support NVMe RAID configurations to take advantage of the latest available speeds.
5:00 - this is like an Intel header for those who weren't sure about AMD choice xD
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What kind of screwdriver set are you using mate?
Thank you Lauri.
It isn't, because they've put the two main PCI-E slots too close together. Get the Hero so you have the choice of running something alongside your 3 slot 4090, like another 4090.
That is a very good point, even my PNY RTX 4070Ti Verto takes up slightly more than 3 slots, closer to 3.2 slots. This is not just exclusive to Asus, but many of the X870E motherboards from the other manufacturers have a PCIe slot that is rendered useless when a 3 slot video card is inserted. Most of this poor design implementation can be mitigated by a relatively simple design change by swapping out the PCIe slot position with one of the lower M.2 SSD positions.
very true
Please do a video about the loss of the 8 pin power connector on this board vs the x670e creator using two GPUs (bench for speed and stability).
That would be a review for creators who use 3D software that uses multiple GPUs and fill all their slots and PCIe lanes with drives.
Thanks for this review.
So you have a chapter about the price without saying how much the price is 😂👍
Excellent overview
I'm not a fan of the aesthetics, but the specs sound decent. I'm ready to get an X870E, just gotta find the right one.
another important difference between x670e and x870e is the removal of the third pcie power slot that allows for 60w fast charging with the front panel usb-c
remember the days when used to have power buttons, error codes for debugging, clear cmos button on the IO pannel, oh and maybe a back plate for esthetics or if a solid motherboard satisfies? and you are talking about basic features that if they don't exist then people wouldn't even look at the board, let alone the price.
Still not buying ASUS ever again. Great video because I love your content!
Too much e-waste with all those models. I miss the mighty am4 socket. Those were days of greatness.
For future reference, putting the price early in the video would be handy so I can understand the price to performance. Excellent video otherwise! Thanks for the info.
Amazing review. It does have great options. Cant wait for the build with that board. I am really contemplating switching from my 12700k to a 7900x or 9700x.
I am considering this one, or the ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E GAMING WIFI. Both around the 500 euro's, and no huge differences. So that makes it a hard decision ;-)
I'm getting the ASUS for better audio.
I went for the Strix, but these are both nice bords. Also the MSI Carbon, around the same price. I am not using the onboard audio myself.
I wonder what DDR5 memory modules really can be used on this motherboard for 128+ GB with AMD Ryzen 9 9900X CPU? None of the RAM manufacturers still guarantee the compatibility of 4 modules with a total capacity of 128 GB (4x32GB) or more even for Intel's desktop processors...
Still the PCI and ATX power connectors are straight up . When are they going to bend them 90 degree on the edges ?
I’m beyond pissed because I bought the ProArt X670E two weeks ago and found out it doesn’t truly support 128gb ram. Website support is mediocre at best. I purchased everything ProArt thinking it would work well.
Best beta would be X2 48gb ram I tried X4 16gb. And worked most of the time without overclocking. But still unstable.
Not all proart fault, Ryzen 7000 doesn't like large capacity fast RAM....
I've built a system with the ProArt X670E, Ryzen 7950X3D, and 128GB of RAM
I can't even turn on the expo ram on the 6800 bus since the new bios update for the 9950x, so I'm looking into switching to x870 aorus master or carbon
@@KeithRiceWhat are the RAM Specs? I’m using Corsair Vengence AMD Expo 6000 Mhz. I’m curious what speed your ram is running at? Thanks!
I can't wait to put the 9950x3d in this
Great video as usual! Also, would this motherboard be the best choice for a 4090 w/ full bandwidth in the PCIE_1 slot and using an elgato capture card in the PCIE_3 slot?
Yes, absolutely
@@theTechNotice out of curiosity, is it the only X670/X870 series motherboard that has that ability without limiting the gpu to x8?
I think that the best mobo is the X870E Taichi, cause i read that all other X870E mobos cut down the lanes to x8 on the x16 PCIE slot when all the M.2 slots are populated.
@@Gielderst got the lite version.. but have to wait 10 days 🙄
@@mycuriouschild That's awesome. I'm also thinking of trying to get a new X870E mobo, because i'm an enthusiast.
Currently i have a GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER with a 7950X3D. And what i want is to upgrade to X870E with a 9950X3D when it comes out. And i would really like to get the best mobo for that. But i wonder if there's other X870E mobos like the Taichi which do not cut PCIE lanes, because i have 4 M.2 NVMe SSDs currently on my X670E AORUS MASTER and my mobo does not cut any PCIE lanes. Also i really really like the X870E Taichi and i'm very very tempted to get one cause it also has a backplate and i really like mobos with backplates lol.
No backplate for me😢 , no rgb and quickrelease for gpu. 75 bucks cheaper...
My Mac M1 with Thunderbolt 4 is the ultimate Pro Art. I feel a bit sheepish admitting it since I have a soft spot for my PC. But Thunderbolt 4 is a must-have for me. I'd be willing to give up some features on this board just to have Thunderbolt 4. I believe that one of the 670E Pro Art models comes equipped with Thunderbolt 4. It's time for Intel and AMD to catch up with the latest technology trends. I understand that Thunderbolt may not be a top priority for gamers.
You can buy Thunderbolt 4 PCIe card and plug it into PCIe slot. In this way you can use thunderbolt at a cos of one pcie slot
@ThePawel36 There is no tb header but USB4 runs kinda like TB3 which might be enough for me.
@@TheBsmit233 Right. You need header for Tb not only PCIe.
It a really good board, but with this price tag a backplate and a post error display is a must.
Only $500, what a killer deal!
Regarding the "Advanced IA" I believe it has to do with the BIOS is capable of measuring CPU / RAM / Cooler performance / Temperature / Frequency and suggest or apply custom values automatically. (I have the X870E Strix model and this is what it refers to)
Yeah but who needs all of that for todays CPUs?Meaning, doesn't a MBs for 1/2 the cost deliver the same performance
May aswell go for ASRock Phantom Gaming X870E Nova WiFi
More features yet still cheaper.
I prefer the look of the proart to the strix e, but the downside is that there are only 3 USB Type-c ports, and it's 1 m.2 less
On Asus site they say that M.2_3 and M.2_4 slots are through the chipset and are PCIe 4.0x4
I'm not a creator, but I love this design. I game but don't overclock, is this OK for me? Or is the X670 just fine because of what I mentioned?
No post code for a professional? No quick disconnect for the graphics card, a large graphics card will likely cover up the extra PCI slot. This board is missing the little details that other X870e boards have.
Hello Lauri and thanks a lot for your video.
Our ProArt x870e is on the way to pair with 9950x. Do I need to update Bios for 9950x?
Works for me.
It is frustrating how Thunderbolt 4 is so difficult to get for those who need it.
The Thunderbolt 3 Gigabyte Maple Ridge works both my 10 year old Asus X99-A and my AM5 Asus 670e
Thank you :🙏
Right but... if I'm not a famous TH-camr, and I have a problem with my motherboard, will ASUS treat me the same way? I mean, couple of months testing motherboards that needed to be RMA'd, I don't know. Hmm... how's Gigabyte doing? I've actually had problems with MSI so it's the only option I have left.
Did I miss the price? How much is it
>The best
Where are my 2 LEDs with my post code?
My Asus B650e-e has that.
>4 x SATA 6Gb/s ports
Really for this price?
“They didn’t use to have this foamy stuff to protect the backside…”. They did. And back then high end motherboards cost 90 bucks.
If it's using #2 Phillips it shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
can you please tell me which one is best for both gaming ( RT on ) and editing in ultra high setting. which CPU is best purchase from ryzen 7 7800x3d, ryzen 9 7900x3d, ryzen 9 9900x, ryzen 7 950x,
( or else please you can advise it no one from the above)
love from Delhi
Nah, I got a really good deal on X670E ProArt a month ago and I am happy I did not wait for X870E. I would barely call this a meaningful upgrade. Still does not include the Q Code display, lol
when 9000 series review for creators ?
What memory do you guys recommend for this mobo for gaming?
Their website says 2 x m.2 G5, 2 x gen 4 (bottom two in the long heatsink = gen 4)? What would that mean (assuming 2 x 4, 2 x 5 is correct) for say, 2 x 4080s (5080s) and then 4 x nvmes in all of the available slots. Where does the hobbling begin (assuming you have fastest possible drives for the slots)?
Don't think I've heard a logo described as "a little bit too mental for me" before. Actual snort out loud.
Hey Tech, I have RX7900XTX, and want a great AMD CPU + Motherboard for editing. What should I get?
Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to this board, to be driven from iGPU using 9900X CPU?
I understand this board has 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU?
(of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?)
I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and X870/X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics.
I kinda like this one, but the Techi might be better
does the usb 4 support any thunderbolt devices didnt see the little lighting symbol on them?
I watch your videos, but I wonder why you're so wed to Adobe and ASUS. Adobe's software is very good, but they're not the only game in town. Their business practices are horrible. For me, that overrides the value of their software. As for ASUS...they did not invent anti-consumer practices any more than Adobe did. But like Adobe, they have given a strong effort towards leading the field in crookedness. In both cases there are plenty of competitive products and many of those competitive products are less expensive. Either way, the X870e advantage over the X670e does exist. But it's a slim advantage with a questionable value proposition. Just saying.
Do I miss the LED warning part ????? That should be on any Mboard. ??
I wouldn't buy an ASUS product if were the last. POS
I'm heart broken.
Just wish it had 2 usb 3.0 or whatever they call it now instead of the only one!
Can you sugest Budget AMD motherboard for creator please.
Crosshair hero is better, especially when cost is not an issue
That board lacks something as basic as an optical out audio port or header.
Use one of the expansion slots to add it.
@@IraQNid You can add in a PCIe DAC that has optical out, but that's not the same as using the Onboard Realtek ALC1220 DAC. Most PCIe and USB DACs don't have the option to enable windows loudness equalization.
not all of the m.2 slots on this motherboard are pcie gen5, the top two are, the bottom two are pcie gen4
0:16 not really answered in the entire video (!)
Are there going to be any X870E ASUS BTF Motherboards?!?!?!
Link to the price is in the description of this video.
It's like you havent learned from the last ProArt.
I bought Proart X870E and already have Adobe Creative Cloud subscription. How do get my 3 months free code which this Asus Proart comes with? Cant find it on the box.
Is there a list of compatible air coolers for CPU?
Me who wait for next gen then yoink taichi lite
Thinking about this or the MSI MPG X870E pleae give me your take. Doing some gaming and photo editing
Not gonna buy even toilet paiper if its from Asus
Nice vid and content though
If I was making a Pro/ Creator motherboard I would want it to have the best compatibility for the highest capacity RAM configurations for DDR5. If this motherboard doesn't do that the best then there's plenty of better "Creator" motherboard choices at it's price range. And for the "Pros" this board doesn't even have a postcode or ECLK, which doesn't make sense given it's price lol. ASUS being stingy as always.
Can we put 3 gpus in the 3 pcie slots? (I know the 3rd slot will face bandwidth bottlenecking, but is it doable?) (asking from 3d rendering perspective)
They really cheaped out on the audio :( The ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR has much better audio.
I hate that they removed the optional out on the x670 and this one. LIke why are we going backwards in audio?
If my primary display supports power through its primary display cable to charge the device that it is receiving the display from (such as a laptop), will this cause any issues for the motherboard when plugged into this motherboard via the display passthrough/USB4 port? I've used a DisplayPort to USB-C cable to adapt an older PC to my display, and it seemed to work just fine. I'm just not sure if it'd do anything if plugged straight into the MoBo. Thanks!
Best motherboard without debug code?
Asus is of the buy list here warranty support is disaster
Will this run the DDR5 with the Clock Chip on board?
Is there a micro atx version? I prefer my creator pc to be a bit smaller so it can chill under my desk a bit better. Not itx as thats too small i do need my nvmes n such xD
No ASUS anymore for me.. And they really deserve it. I remember how much respect I had for this brand,all of it is now pure disappointment 😖