Friendly reminder that the F2004 was so good at the time that Ferrari started doubting their own equipment because they didn't expect it to be that fast
@@N4ch0 stupid because the whole point of taking photos is to document and share events. That’s all that Aidan was doing in my opinion. Either way i hope that owner feels some remorse and that aidan can get back on track soon.
@@reznov4291 but in many years of this era like 87,94,95 ferrari had got the best engine, the problem was the aereodynamic and the team, but the engine was always a beast
@@rasmushielscher9630 yes and due to the lover air resistamce the turbo cars might have an advantage in power. would be an interestimg comparisson if the f2004 or the turbo cars are faster
@@rasmushielscher9630 Are the F1 games actually including this? I know you're talking about real life, I still wanna know if the F1 games do portray that, do you know if they do? Cause I always feel going faster in Mexico than in Baku, despite Baku having a slightly longer straight.
I think you should remake the whole grid with their best cars from the past like Ferrari has the f2004, Renault have their r25, Williams have their fw14B, Mclaren have the MP4/4 and so on, but you gotta figure out how to make it balanced
When driving that car in f12020 the rpms rise so quickly in the top end that it can be difficult to judge between shifting before any of the lights light up and hitting the limiter let alone getting it to shift right as the last 1 or 2 lights come on.
If you allowed ground effect tunnels, a massive low diffuser, active suspension and active skirt control with some seriously clever skirt designs plus a closed cockpit the cars could gain as much as 10 sec a lap, no questions asked because you could get double the downforce easily with no drag increase just by using optimal tunnels and wings, enclosing the wheels and cockpit and running active aero and suspension and so on. The regulations are there to stop modern cars from hitting 450kph and cornering at speeds where a puncture could very well cause a death 30% of the time
With unlimited money and no regulations we could make a much faster car that would be too fast to be safe on any circuit in the world - Captain Obvious 2021
Yeah because it revs so high the gear ratios can be much closer , hence a much smaller drop in torque to the wheels with each subsequent gear vs todays turbo torque monsters.
@@afoxwithahat7846 Wrong , modern f1 cars and f2004 have similar power to weight ratios. The peak torque of f2004 was around a small 400Nm , that's a 100 more than my Fiesta ST , so with such a small amount of torque how will this car reach a top speed of 360km/h with aerodynamic drag? The answer is high revving to 19000rpm coupled with a transmission with small gear ratios.
If by some miracle they did it would be an pr nightmare because the f2004 would show up todays hybrid barges and make everyone realise just exactly what we are missing.
with modern technologies like sparkplug-compression ingnition rail type direct injection and variable intake ports it would have like 1500ish bhp with efficiency of 40%
@@nothingiamjustsomekindofdu5744 fucking love it. Not even talking about better turbo chargers, better brakes, better aerodynamics, stifferr chassis, more durable suspension. Holy shit mate
I think its actually pretty impressive that a heavier, safer and more fuel efficient car like the current f1 cars are able to still deliver a similar speed to such beasts of engineering like the F2004 Ferrari...
I think it’s very underwhelming that the modern, peak of engineering and most technologically advanced racing cars of today can barely keep up with a car that’s nearly two decades old.
@@salahhambli3064 it's not an engineering or technology problem, rules changed. The FIA doesn't want F1 cars to be faster, but safer and 'sustainable'.
@@salahhambli3064 Without the restrictions 'the modern peak of engineering' would result in an f1 car that would be able to corner so fast it would be ridiculously unsafe. Ignorance at its finest.
@@ronignino in a real sim you shouldn't be turning off traction control, it's almost impossible to drive faster without it, games just simulate it as a down side when it's not, it was officially banned in racing when it was first introduced into racing decades ago for being too good
@@Messimo-Il-Predestinato actually the most successful car is the 1988 McLaren. It lost just 1 race at Monza. It won all the others and they should have won at Monza but Senna had another 1 of his braindead moments and cut Schlesser in the Williams off and they collided at the 1st chicane with just a few laps left. His recklessness cost McLaren the perfect season.
Don't forget that between 2004 and 2005 there was a substantial change in regulations(for example the front wing height) ...a V10 2004 car is faster than a 2005 V10 car(alonso in abu dabi with the r25 was 4-5 seconds slower than the mercs)...so it could be possibile that the old F2004 on slicks could be as fast as the 2020 mercedes especially with little fuel...
Although totally irrelevant to te content, I spend the first few minutes seeing if it was a ginger beard... I was wrong. Sorry, I'm not being a twat, but that is a chin and a half. Great content though.
ers is heavier so no. The FiA is dumb, hybrid technology is worse. How can a heavier car be more fuel efficient. You either go full electric or you don't go electric at all. I swear, today's f1 cars would be a beast if they didn't have the hybrid system. It slows the cars down more than it helps them. The only reason why the FiA is using the hybrid system is as a transition phase between going full gas and full electric.
@@kaustavkapur5532 F1 won’t and can’t go electric because of F1. And yes hybrid technology is more fuel efficient, as they will be using a new fuel, and no mgu h anymore, educate yourself before hating on the fastest f1 cars
@@brikbrak9386 who the hell told you that hybrid cars are faster. The koenigsegg agera r is faster than the regera even though the power to weight ratio is significantly lower.
I’d love to see how the Williams from the same era (the bmw powered one, I forgot the year) would do against the 2020 cars since it was worse than the F2004.
The best mod so far, absolutely brilliant, Ferrari need to do this irl, this is top 3 best F1 car of all time, the engine, the noise, the era, well played Alex, well played
@@IIITonyMontanaIII yes, but will impossible to drive it would be a heavy car, too powerful to generate any grip, without thinking that it would simply not stop
the v10 is not as strong as the v6 hybrid turbo sorry to break it... if you applied today's rules, that v10 would be making like 400hp with no refueling and actual limits on fuel flow
They really didn't have much less grip with the grooves by 2004. With the tyre war between Bridgestone and Michelin the tyre technology was at a hugely peak level. Many race records were not broken until over a decade had passed to where the aero technology finally caught up with that 2004 tyre technology.
Here's an idea. Race as Hamilton, and try to put every other AI driver in a classic car (appropriately assigned, Verstappen in the RB6, Kimi in the F2007, Ocon in the R26, Norris in the MP4-25 etc.), start from last at a rather balanced circuit to see how much you can get through the field
You're faster at Monza because all the Tifosi inhale when the competitors pass by to take away air for the wings and engines. Then they exhale when the Ferrari's pass by to reverse the effect.
A race every F1 fan would love to see: MP4/4 vs FW14B vs MP4/12 (or 14) vs F2004 vs RB25 vs 2020 cars Just a nice time attack race, modern soft tyres and flat out.
Damn that was amazing. Making the engines smaller but the cars bigger was such a mistake for the sport but the technology in efficiency has tremendously helped the peripheral automotive world.
These new heavy cars must make much more energy than old light cars to achieve the same result. I don’t see the point. Forcing new technologies for the sake of it.
It seems everyone is judging a computer game thats no where near being the best simulation has confirmed the lap speed of an f2004 on slicks. The 2017 cars were already quicker than groved tired 2004 cars. The f2004 cars wouldn't be 5 seconds faster on slicks on virtually all the tracks, which is what they'd need to be, to beat 2020 cars.
For qualifying Barrichello had a 1m20.089 in 2004, compared to a 1m18.887 for Hamilton last year. For pure lap time, the modern cars are much quicker. Obviously the race lap times are a different story as today's cars don't have fuel stops and aren't replacing the power unit every race weekend so Barrichello's fastest race lap of 1m21.046 beats the 1m22.746 set in the race by Hamilton. Ofcourse give the 2004 car slick tyres and ultimate lap time might be closer. But at the same time if the F2004 needed to only run 3 engines a year and increase its weight to pass more stringent modern safety tests things would be significantly different so comparing across eras remains a nearly impossible task.
Yes with slicks the F2004 would be quicker. Also in a straight it's definitely quicker due to the wide barn doors we got now, at monza the last V10s could do 372kph more than post 2017 cars.
That what F1 needs. Simply pure racing pace, no electronic aids such as DRS, KERS, ERS, ABS, Traction Control, ESC, MGU-K, MGU-H, etc. F1 2004 was defining golden era of F1. Awesome.
funnily enough out of all those things you called electronic aids only two of them is an aid which is traction control and abs. The 2004 had TC so idk how it was defining "golden era F1" with such driver aids you condemned. Keep on displaying your ignorance :)
Well, just bearing in mind that a BMW inline4 1.5lt turbo could produce over 1400hp in qualifying trim and then remind me again how great the V6 turbo is? Admittedly it doesnt go BANG as often...
That's what I've always been talking about. These F1 drivers today have been restrained from their full potential. Had they been in F1 in 2004 they would've enjoyed tight competition 🤔
In real life it wouldn’t be like that i guarantee it, alonso tried his 2005 car on soft slicks and his best “qualifying” lap was 3.5s slower than todays cars, the 2005 cars were around 0.5s-1s slower than 2004 cars on average, alonso said he was pushing too
he was pushing but that car wouldn't have been in quali trim and running at its maximum like it is capable of. but i agree no chance that the f2004 would ever be faster than this years mercedes
Problem is this is a game. In real life the 2020 cars would demolish this car. 2020 cars accelerate faster and have much more sophisticated aero dynamics, and finish races faster than in 2004, despite having to carry their race fuel for the entire race, all with the extra limits put on how much fuel they're allowed to consume per hour. They looked incredible, and were the fastest, but 2020 saw most track records go to the Mercs.
fastest race lap at Monza as example still goes to F2004... despite worse tires and everything, and Turkey with McLaren MP4-20... never beaten, not even in quali
The 2004 cars were insanely fast. That's why they slowed them down. And that's why they switched from V10 to V8 ans later V6. Honda had over 1000 HP, BMW reving up to over 20k rpm. And the cars were perfectly designed for racing. The cars were going over 360 km/h. The record was 369 km/h I think.
I can officially tell you that you're wrong, Firstly because assuming they both have to follow the same rules the amount of fuel the F2004 would have to carry would be like 220 Litres, That nearly equals out the weight difference between the two cars, then lets look at lap times, the F2004 did a 1:45.5 at Spa in the race in low fuel, tyre degradation wasn't really a factor, the W11 did a 1:41.2 in qualifying, When they did the Barcelona slick tyre test in 2008 the cars gained 2 seconds from the slick tyres, that puts the F2004 around a 1:43.5, you're not going to gain 2 seconds from the small amount of race fuel the 2004 cars carried, last of all the F2004 was specifically made to run on Bridgestone tyres which have a completely different geometry to the current day Pirelli tyres.
@@azzifyy5988 holy fucking shit mate we know that irl the merc is faster we’re making a joke dude. Just imagine for once in your life and not nerd out and ruin people’s fun.
@@azzifyy5988 dude. I myself am a nerd but I can still have fun without getting statistical and precise. Let the moment be alive and enjoy it. Don’t ruin it with facts
No, this would not happen in real life. The W11 is factually the fastest F1 car ever constructed. Further more just watch the R25 and RB16 lap comparison.
finally someone who gets it. I can't hear all those younger people who haven't witnessed that time talk about it like it was some Group B shit going on back then. Cars were much slower than today and there was basically less overtaking. Look for Imola Grand Prix 2005 Alonso vs. Schumacher. Thank god, something like that would not be possible today.
The mod is far from reality as the F2004 on grooves (copied from Quora) was slower than 2019 card which were slower than the 2020 cars. On these tracks (they didn't do Interlagos) Melbourne In Q1, everyone bar Kubica was faster than Schumacher’s Q2 time, which was the fastest of the double session. Hamilton took pole 3.978s faster than in 2004’s fastest Vettel was 3.298s faster than Schumacher. Sahkir in Q1, only the Williamses were slower than Schumacher’s 2004 pole Leclerc took pole 2.273s faster. Monaco In Q1, everybody was faster than Schumacher in 2004. Schumacher qualified 5th, but Trulli (Renault) was still slower than Kubica. Hamilton took pole, 3.819s faster than Trulli, and 4.350s faster than Schumacher. Montreal in Q1, Schumacher would, again, have only outqualified the Williamses. He started 6th. His brother, Ralf (Williams BMW), got pole, but was still slower than 18th placed Stroll. Vettel took pole, 2.035s faster than Ralf and 3.115s faster than Michael. Hockenheim Schumacher would’ve made Q2 by 1/40 of a second, and his time was faster than Stroll in Q2. Hamilton took pole, 1.541s faster than Schumacher. Monza In Q1, Barrichello would’ve been fastest! He would’ve been fast enough for 7th in Q2 and Q3. Leclerc took pole, 0.786s faster than Barrichello. Suzuka In Q1, Schumacher would’ve been the slowest qualifier, over 3 seconds shy of Kubica. Vettel took pole, a whopping 6.482s faster than Schumacher. (NOTE DAMP TRACK) Only the 2 Schumachers and Mark Webber (Jaguar) were faster than the 107% time in Q1. Due to typhoons, qualifying in both 2004 and 2019 was run on Sunday morning. It’s interesting to note that despite there being a chicane before the final corner in Barcelona, quali times were roughly the same this year as in 2004. The chicane made a difference of about 4 seconds between 2006 and 2007. So the slicks would have to bridge a gap as big as 3 seconds to be in range of the top cars at some tracks.
Wow. Serious eye opener. All those tyrelimited "races" when they had the answer all along. Please Ferrari put Kimi in this with DRS for the next race with full audio! "Yeah it's ok- now shut up and leave me alone"
Engineers have complained for years now that F1 cars are way too fat. The aero on the 2020 cars is unbeatable. If they got rid of the batteries and instead only used an ICE then they'd run away and leave the F2004 behind. But because they're so incredibly heavy, a 16 year old car can keep up
The grooved tyres they had at the time would have certainly slowed them down by a few seconds a lap. Because cars were on a whole lighter, running on heavy fuel would have meant worse relative performance at the start of the race also. What I'd be curious to see is how fast we could make a car by combining the best of both worlds; V10 engine, light car, slick tyres, modern day suspension and aero.
@@weallfollowmanutd you forgot, that in 2004 was only 1 shot qualifying and they had to do it with race fuel, so 2004 quali-times could be even better with low fuel in current type of qualifying...
@@weallfollowmanutd I know, but still it was not maximum, in Q every driver had only 1 shot... so track was not going so much better like in current type of Q... and because then it was only 1 shot, drivers were not risk so much because nobody wanted started first in saturday's Q - where drivers started in order based from friday's Q ...
Apart from sound, what I loved about those formulas in 2004 was the lack of "push to overtake" buttons. And the races were more interesting, the cars looked faster... And the V10 sound oh my...
Imagine the current chassis building techniques but making the F2004, current Pirelli tires, 2019 Mercedes W10 or 2016 W07 or 1993 Williams FW15C suspension, 2010 RB6 floor and exhaust routing.....
i actually tried this in assetto corsa with my friend who is a similar skill to mine and i drove the rss hybrid 2020 and he drove the f2004 and there was very little difference to me and him who was a little slower than me (the f2004 needed more fuel which punished him a lot in the first half of the race (20 laps at spa))
You can see it's much much better though the slow corners because of the shorter wheelbase, and its SO much quicker off the start cos of the traction control. I'm pretty sure this is pretty realistic - an F2004 with slicks would probably beat todays cars. I do like the smaller sized F1 cars - obviously dirty air was still a huge problem back then, but at least they didnt take up half the track sometimes as the modern cars do. I am all for slowing the cars down a little though, taking some downforce off, if it improves the racing.
the F2004 with slotted slicks demands you be gentle and precise to extract the most performance out of them, but in the game or in real life. part of the reason we have normal slicks again is the cars are nowhere near as fast in the corners as the ones from this era, let alone in a straight line but, regardless of the tires a car that is fast down the straights is always going be that way.
@@billylawuk It's not possible to tell which car is better. The 2020 car traded plenty of speed on the straights for speed in the corners (higher downforce).
Friendly reminder that the F2004 was so good at the time that Ferrari started doubting their own equipment because they didn't expect it to be that fast
Exactlyy
Aiden millward on youtube. Thats how i found out about that lmao
@@N4ch0 wait he deleted them? Why?? No man those are some of my favourite series on TH-cam.
@@N4ch0 stupid because the whole point of taking photos is to document and share events. That’s all that Aidan was doing in my opinion. Either way i hope that owner feels some remorse and that aidan can get back on track soon.
Ferrari 2020: how mighty have fallen
Ferrari: "fuck it, pull out the F2004"
And the Fuel
And the refuel hose
If regulations allowed it, they would.
In case of emergency, deploy the F2004.
They already did that in 2005
Sebastian Vettel: Bring back the f****** V12s.
Ferrari: *Gives Seb an F2004*
Seb: Close enough.
Yesssss
he wouldnt want a v12 tho, one of ferraris worst eras for reliability and performance so a v10 would be way better
@Aarya Pagalla performance yes, sound no.
Yo chill with the arsenal bird its killing me LITERALLY
@@reznov4291 but in many years of this era like 87,94,95 ferrari had got the best engine, the problem was the aereodynamic and the team, but the engine was always a beast
F2004 off the line: "Bon voyage, slowpokes"
Arrivenderchi (cya in Italian)
It has traction control
@@KitKitChanIsaac Arrivederci you mean
@@KitKitChanIsaac a river dirt chee (Zak Brown Edition)
F2004 : "sayonara snail"
Now imagine the F2004 with DRS on Mexico's start/finish straight
What about Baku?
@@daromas would be awesome too but usually the cars go faster in Mexico due to lower air density and therefor air resistance
@@rasmushielscher9630 yes and due to the lover air resistamce the turbo cars might have an advantage in power. would be an interestimg comparisson if the f2004 or the turbo cars are faster
They didn't need DRS back then.
@@rasmushielscher9630 Are the F1 games actually including this? I know you're talking about real life, I still wanna know if the F1 games do portray that, do you know if they do? Cause I always feel going faster in Mexico than in Baku, despite Baku having a slightly longer straight.
These late V10 cars are sooo amazing. Everyone has to love them, there's no other way around.
Unless your N environmentalist lol. But they can piss off
@@sbinnala14 you're absolutely right mate , cause i hate the engine , I love the sound but i don't want v10 anymore. it is unefficient
@@raihanchandra3572 why do you think about fuel efficiency during racing? Real stick in the mud you must be
@@drewp.weiner2473 well if it is burn much fuel it left more emmission
Greta would say otherwise
I think you should remake the whole grid with their best cars from the past like Ferrari has the f2004, Renault have their r25, Williams have their fw14B, Mclaren have the MP4/4 and so on, but you gotta figure out how to make it balanced
That would be awesome
i mean what about Merc and what would be Alpha Tauri
@@arthursmith9767 if I remember correctly Toro Rosso made some pretty good cars in 2000’
@miew gaming pro 12 dayum i forgot
@miew gaming pro 12 maybe merc have their Mercedes-Mclaren Vodafone livery car so it’s more balanced towards the older cars
The rev lights didn't like that
its the game detecting the car is SF1000
Lol I didnt even notice it
When driving that car in f12020 the rpms rise so quickly in the top end that it can be difficult to judge between shifting before any of the lights light up and hitting the limiter let alone getting it to shift right as the last 1 or 2 lights come on.
We are ready for 2022 season. The masterplan is going according to plan.
"Slow button off"
@Mattia sBinotto Well this aged like fine wine
bro
Now we know what's hiding behind that chassis
He really knew
If you allowed ground effect tunnels, a massive low diffuser, active suspension and active skirt control with some seriously clever skirt designs plus a closed cockpit the cars could gain as much as 10 sec a lap, no questions asked because you could get double the downforce easily with no drag increase just by using optimal tunnels and wings, enclosing the wheels and cockpit and running active aero and suspension and so on. The regulations are there to stop modern cars from hitting 450kph and cornering at speeds where a puncture could very well cause a death 30% of the time
You literally started and finished your own argument.
Isn't that what the Red Bull X2014 from Gran Turismo is based on?
With unlimited money and no regulations we could make a much faster car that would be too fast to be safe on any circuit in the world - Captain Obvious 2021
@@LegendarySnipez7000 Actually, yes, yes it is.
@Jose Bernal 1400? I thought it was 2000.
It is just incredible because of the way that the F2004 is geared it just hits 330 with no problem at all.
anyone noticing that he's still wearing short sleeves in the winter?
Yeah because it revs so high the gear ratios can be much closer , hence a much smaller drop in torque to the wheels with each subsequent gear vs todays turbo torque monsters.
It's just because they're smaller, with less downforce
@@afoxwithahat7846 Wrong , modern f1 cars and f2004 have similar power to weight ratios. The peak torque of f2004 was around a small 400Nm , that's a 100 more than my Fiesta ST , so with such a small amount of torque how will this car reach a top speed of 360km/h with aerodynamic drag? The answer is high revving to 19000rpm coupled with a transmission with small gear ratios.
@@singh2702 the answer is in my comment, less downforce means less drag, downforce is what creates a substantial amount of drag in modern F1 cars.
the FIA should actually let Ferrari do this for one race just to see what happens
how fucking cool would that be... maybe tires are better today but still, that would be amazing.
If by some miracle they did it would be an pr nightmare because the f2004 would show up todays hybrid barges and make everyone realise just exactly what we are missing.
Refueling: ....
@@kenalba5641 use 2 cars fuck it right hahaha
@Racing Crew Ferrari used Bridgestone in 2004
Just imagine how fast they could make a v10 with todays technologies :0
with modern technologies like sparkplug-compression ingnition rail type direct injection and variable intake ports it would have like 1500ish bhp with efficiency of 40%
@@nothingiamjustsomekindofdu5744 fucking love it. Not even talking about better turbo chargers, better brakes, better aerodynamics, stifferr chassis, more durable suspension. Holy shit mate
@@acvn-hg9gy real car guy)))
@@nothingiamjustsomekindofdu5744 But French GP still sucks with the V10 1500hp F1 cars
What about V10 Turbo Hybrid,with slick tyres and DRS?
that turned out way different than i expected
This is so awesome with the Vettel Helmet
Seb driving his idol's car
Mattia Binotto be like: Write that down, write that down!
Mattia binotto Made the engine if im correct
There is nothing to write down, because the whole car would be illegal in today's grid, and not just the engine like last year🤫.
@@KoRnBulleT You're the smart one in the family uh?
Yeah Santa Gillon has brought me a Christmas present. The F2004 with slicks hehe
I think its actually pretty impressive that a heavier, safer and more fuel efficient car like the current f1 cars are able to still deliver a similar speed to such beasts of engineering like the F2004 Ferrari...
I think it’s very underwhelming that the modern, peak of engineering and most technologically advanced racing cars of today can barely keep up with a car that’s nearly two decades old.
@@salahhambli3064 I think it’s pretty amazing that the development has come so far that a v6 hybrid can lap similar to a v10 F2004….
@@salahhambli3064 it's not an engineering or technology problem, rules changed. The FIA doesn't want F1 cars to be faster, but safer and 'sustainable'.
@@Hobby_Racer yet the cars are almost two times bigger than the V10 cars, which is still pretty underwhelming.
@@salahhambli3064 Without the restrictions 'the modern peak of engineering' would result in an f1 car that would be able to corner so fast it would be ridiculously unsafe. Ignorance at its finest.
Keep in mind that, besides the slicks and the weight, the F2004 has traction control
Do pilots in formula 1 use traction control? I turn off TCC all the time in video games.
@@ronignino fia doesn't allow it nowadays
In 2004 they had more assistance with TC and launch control for example. But the Ferrari 2004 is the most Beautiful and successful f1 car in history .
@@ronignino
in a real sim you shouldn't be turning off traction control, it's almost impossible to drive faster without it, games just simulate it as a down side when it's not, it was officially banned in racing when it was first introduced into racing decades ago for being too good
@@Messimo-Il-Predestinato actually the most successful car is the 1988 McLaren. It lost just 1 race at Monza. It won all the others and they should have won at Monza but Senna had another 1 of his braindead moments and cut Schlesser in the Williams off and they collided at the 1st chicane with just a few laps left. His recklessness cost McLaren the perfect season.
Don't forget that between 2004 and 2005 there was a substantial change in regulations(for example the front wing height) ...a V10 2004 car is faster than a 2005 V10 car(alonso in abu dabi with the r25 was 4-5 seconds slower than the mercs)...so it could be possibile that the old F2004 on slicks could be as fast as the 2020 mercedes especially with little fuel...
I thought he had a fake beard for his costume wth 😭
It looks so unnatural
Although totally irrelevant to te content, I spend the first few minutes seeing if it was a ginger beard... I was wrong.
Sorry, I'm not being a twat, but that is a chin and a half. Great content though.
Try to do a video with the F2004 + ERS + DRS + Slick tyres, and the modern cars with V6 replaced by a V10
Awesome video btw mate!
ers is heavier so no. The FiA is dumb, hybrid technology is worse. How can a heavier car be more fuel efficient. You either go full electric or you don't go electric at all. I swear, today's f1 cars would be a beast if they didn't have the hybrid system. It slows the cars down more than it helps them. The only reason why the FiA is using the hybrid system is as a transition phase between going full gas and full electric.
@@kaustavkapur5532 F1 won’t and can’t go electric because of F1. And yes hybrid technology is more fuel efficient, as they will be using a new fuel, and no mgu h anymore, educate yourself before hating on the fastest f1 cars
@@brikbrak9386 I love the modern era cars the best, but ers is still stupid
@@kaustavkapur5532 it's not stupid if it helps the cars get to a reasonable speed ? Would you like F1 cars that only can go at 300???
@@brikbrak9386 who the hell told you that hybrid cars are faster. The koenigsegg agera r is faster than the regera even though the power to weight ratio is significantly lower.
Man it would be cool to have all the modern safety but kept the v10 motors. These older F1 cars would be insane with modern equipment
that engine sound is just satisfying
The F2004 is the best F1 car made ever, as simple as that
I’d love to see how the Williams from the same era (the bmw powered one, I forgot the year) would do against the 2020 cars since it was worse than the F2004.
Or as a joke... the Orange Arrows from Jos Verstappen. 🤣
BMW Williams FW26 from 2004, driven by Montoya and Ralf Schumacher.
it was actually a decent car performance-wise, If i m not mistaken montoya took many poles that year, but they had serious reliability issues xD
@@MentalParadox yes, however that car isn’t in the game. I think the FW25 is in the game though, so I wonder how that would do
The BMW engine was better than Ferrari's back then, but they got fucked regularly by reliability issues.
Are we going to ignore the co-incidence to "He won in Spa, He wins in Monza" ?
We can only pray we get the V10s back 😔
Bring back the fxcking V12s ( I know its a v10 lol )
No chance fella
There are rumors that might happen when f1 end their research and development on eco-fuels
Probably not v10s but theres a chance of a v8 hybrid and the v8s also sounded amazing
Honda v6 sounds amazing tho
The best mod so far, absolutely brilliant, Ferrari need to do this irl, this is top 3 best F1 car of all time, the engine, the noise, the era, well played Alex, well played
And also imagine a car with today's aerodynamic, technology and tires, but with the 2004 ferraris engine.. that would be a REAL MONSTER. 💥
@@pA-yy-A what about a v10 with turbo and electric motor it wil have 1500-2000 hp
@@IIITonyMontanaIII yes, but will impossible to drive
it would be a heavy car, too powerful to generate any grip, without thinking that it would simply not stop
@@pA-yy-A 900hp of then was continues but 1000hp of today is only available for some time during each lap
the v10 is not as strong as the v6 hybrid turbo sorry to break it... if you applied today's rules, that v10 would be making like 400hp with no refueling and actual limits on fuel flow
Vettel (Russia 2019) - Brung the V10’s back
He scrolls through his reccomended on TH-cam and sees this. He goes POG i want to do this irl
he said v12s mate
Bring back the screaming V10s.
Bring back the _wow_ factor.
They really didn't have much less grip with the grooves by 2004. With the tyre war between Bridgestone and Michelin the tyre technology was at a hugely peak level. Many race records were not broken until over a decade had passed to where the aero technology finally caught up with that 2004 tyre technology.
Incorrect. During slick tyre testing in 2008. Massa went 3 seconds faster in Spain than the actual pole lap that season.
Here's an idea. Race as Hamilton, and try to put every other AI driver in a classic car (appropriately assigned, Verstappen in the RB6, Kimi in the F2007, Ocon in the R26, Norris in the MP4-25 etc.), start from last at a rather balanced circuit to see how much you can get through the field
Vettel in F2004: I see you at the finish line, loser
Hamilton: *cries on radio*
this ''monstrosity'' still holds a lot of track records from back then
You're faster at Monza because all the Tifosi inhale when the competitors pass by to take away air for the wings and engines. Then they exhale when the Ferrari's pass by to reverse the effect.
Not gonna lie, this is like the 15th video I've seen about the F2004 on slicks.
It just REALLY makes me wanna try it.
These videos are really enjoyable to watch! Keep up the great content Alex.
That race was so intense! You have superb driving skills and your commentary is amazing! Its amazing you can do both so well at the same time!
The dislikes are from the FIA and the people in the V6 era
This 👆🏾
A race every F1 fan would love to see: MP4/4 vs FW14B vs MP4/12 (or 14) vs F2004 vs RB25 vs 2020 cars
Just a nice time attack race, modern soft tyres and flat out.
Damn that was amazing. Making the engines smaller but the cars bigger was such a mistake for the sport but the technology in efficiency has tremendously helped the peripheral automotive world.
These new heavy cars must make much more energy than old light cars to achieve the same result. I don’t see the point. Forcing new technologies for the sake of it.
No they haven’t.
It seems everyone is judging a computer game thats no where near being the best simulation has confirmed the lap speed of an f2004 on slicks. The 2017 cars were already quicker than groved tired 2004 cars. The f2004 cars wouldn't be 5 seconds faster on slicks on virtually all the tracks, which is what they'd need to be, to beat 2020 cars.
@@weallfollowmanutd
Not really because you would modernize the cars drastically increasing their power output/efficiency and aero?
fun fact: the f2004 still holds the lap record at Monza set by Rubens Barrichello
Didn’t Hamilton beat it in 2020?
For qualifying Barrichello had a 1m20.089 in 2004, compared to a 1m18.887 for Hamilton last year. For pure lap time, the modern cars are much quicker. Obviously the race lap times are a different story as today's cars don't have fuel stops and aren't replacing the power unit every race weekend so Barrichello's fastest race lap of 1m21.046 beats the 1m22.746 set in the race by Hamilton.
Ofcourse give the 2004 car slick tyres and ultimate lap time might be closer. But at the same time if the F2004 needed to only run 3 engines a year and increase its weight to pass more stringent modern safety tests things would be significantly different so comparing across eras remains a nearly impossible task.
@@meta7gear No one cares about realiability. And making cars more realiable can be even more costly.
there is a reason they put limitations on the tyres back then, i think the F2004 would be quicker than modern F1 cars on slicks
fastest race lap at Monza = F2004... and Turkey with McLaren MP4-20... never beaten, not even in quali
This guy is so amazing at commentating wile driving! probably one of my favorite Video Game drivers rn!
Yes with slicks the F2004 would be quicker. Also in a straight it's definitely quicker due to the wide barn doors we got now, at monza the last V10s could do 372kph more than post 2017 cars.
That what F1 needs. Simply pure racing pace, no electronic aids such as DRS, KERS, ERS, ABS, Traction Control, ESC, MGU-K, MGU-H, etc. F1 2004 was defining golden era of F1. Awesome.
funnily enough out of all those things you called electronic aids only two of them is an aid which is traction control and abs. The 2004 had TC so idk how it was defining "golden era F1" with such driver aids you condemned. Keep on displaying your ignorance :)
What about a career mode with this mod? is it possible?
Imagine a maxed out f2004 with slicks. Would love to see that
Raw skill and letting the G force guide you through the corner, old days best days.
F2004 will always be the best car ever produced for F1 racing in my opinion.
There is a reason why nearly all track records were set with this car until 2020
It took that long for a car *on slicks* to beat the F2004's record on grooved tyres.
@@v12vanquish135 the F2004 didnt even had the lap record back then...it was Kimi...
Pirelli, please, F2004 deserves slicks.
But you also gotta appreciate how great a v6 turbo can handle a v12 engineering definately made a huge progress
Well, just bearing in mind that a BMW inline4 1.5lt turbo could produce over 1400hp in qualifying trim and then remind me again how great the V6 turbo is? Admittedly it doesnt go BANG as often...
Keep up the brilliant work and hope you had a good Christmas
That's what I've always been talking about. These F1 drivers today have been restrained from their full potential. Had they been in F1 in 2004 they would've enjoyed tight competition 🤔
Well Mick drove the f2004 at Mugello with a Pirelli slick tire so it might be possible to make a comparison
I think, the modern cars are insane quali machines. Race pace is more of a combustion engine only game tbh
Video idea: get pole against 90% ai, but you can't touch ANY kerbs
My goodness the sound of those V10s… brings back memories 👌
Mick ran his dads 2004 in mugello with the slick tires and alonso his 2005 in dubai with slick
They're demo run Pirelli's though, not sure how their grip and stuff compares
Yes, and Alonso's lap time would fit in the 107%rule, so he could qualify with that car in 2020.
In real life it wouldn’t be like that i guarantee it, alonso tried his 2005 car on soft slicks and his best “qualifying” lap was 3.5s slower than todays cars, the 2005 cars were around 0.5s-1s slower than 2004 cars on average, alonso said he was pushing too
he was pushing but that car wouldn't have been in quali trim and running at its maximum like it is capable of. but i agree no chance that the f2004 would ever be faster than this years mercedes
Problem is this is a game. In real life the 2020 cars would demolish this car. 2020 cars accelerate faster and have much more sophisticated aero dynamics, and finish races faster than in 2004, despite having to carry their race fuel for the entire race, all with the extra limits put on how much fuel they're allowed to consume per hour. They looked incredible, and were the fastest, but 2020 saw most track records go to the Mercs.
fastest race lap at Monza as example still goes to F2004... despite worse tires and everything, and Turkey with McLaren MP4-20... never beaten, not even in quali
coming from watching 2023 alex, 2020 alexs beard is a jumpscare
When did the 2004 became classic?
Damn, am slowly realising that I am getting old...
This car made me fall in love with Ferrari and F1 back in 04
The 2004 cars were insanely fast. That's why they slowed them down. And that's why they switched from V10 to V8 ans later V6. Honda had over 1000 HP, BMW reving up to over 20k rpm. And the cars were perfectly designed for racing.
The cars were going over 360 km/h. The record was 369 km/h I think.
Ferrari F12004 is the best F1 car ever made!! With slick tires in the Ferrari F1 client events , these cars are even faster than in-game!
Ferrari must put this car with slicks,to race on next year.They probably will beat Mercedes
Probably?
I can officially tell you that you're wrong, Firstly because assuming they both have to follow the same rules the amount of fuel the F2004 would have to carry would be like 220 Litres, That nearly equals out the weight difference between the two cars, then lets look at lap times, the F2004 did a 1:45.5 at Spa in the race in low fuel, tyre degradation wasn't really a factor, the W11 did a 1:41.2 in qualifying, When they did the Barcelona slick tyre test in 2008 the cars gained 2 seconds from the slick tyres, that puts the F2004 around a 1:43.5, you're not going to gain 2 seconds from the small amount of race fuel the 2004 cars carried, last of all the F2004 was specifically made to run on Bridgestone tyres which have a completely different geometry to the current day Pirelli tyres.
@@azzifyy5988 holy fucking shit mate we know that irl the merc is faster we’re making a joke dude. Just imagine for once in your life and not nerd out and ruin people’s fun.
@@arkham3745 Knowledge is power, Calling me a nerd because I didn't let you lie to yourself, ok lol.
@@azzifyy5988 dude. I myself am a nerd but I can still have fun without getting statistical and precise. Let the moment be alive and enjoy it. Don’t ruin it with facts
No, this would not happen in real life. The W11 is factually the fastest F1 car ever constructed. Further more just watch the R25 and RB16 lap comparison.
finally someone who gets it. I can't hear all those younger people who haven't witnessed that time talk about it like it was some Group B shit going on back then. Cars were much slower than today and there was basically less overtaking. Look for Imola Grand Prix 2005 Alonso vs. Schumacher. Thank god, something like that would not be possible today.
9:40 foreshadowing 👀
In the words of Eminem, "Life's handing you lemons? Make lemonade then" And this thing sure as hell is lemonade.
The mod is far from reality as the F2004 on grooves (copied from Quora) was slower than 2019 card which were slower than the 2020 cars. On these tracks (they didn't do Interlagos)
Melbourne
In Q1, everyone bar Kubica was faster than Schumacher’s Q2 time, which was the fastest of the double session.
Hamilton took pole 3.978s faster than in 2004’s fastest
Vettel was 3.298s faster than Schumacher.
Sahkir
in Q1, only the Williamses were slower than Schumacher’s 2004 pole
Leclerc took pole 2.273s faster.
Monaco
In Q1, everybody was faster than Schumacher in 2004. Schumacher qualified 5th, but Trulli (Renault) was still slower than Kubica.
Hamilton took pole, 3.819s faster than Trulli, and 4.350s faster than Schumacher.
Montreal
in Q1, Schumacher would, again, have only outqualified the Williamses. He started 6th. His brother, Ralf (Williams BMW), got pole, but was still slower than 18th placed Stroll.
Vettel took pole, 2.035s faster than Ralf and 3.115s faster than Michael.
Hockenheim
Schumacher would’ve made Q2 by 1/40 of a second, and his time was faster than Stroll in Q2.
Hamilton took pole, 1.541s faster than Schumacher.
Monza
In Q1, Barrichello would’ve been fastest! He would’ve been fast enough for 7th in Q2 and Q3.
Leclerc took pole, 0.786s faster than Barrichello.
Suzuka
In Q1, Schumacher would’ve been the slowest qualifier, over 3 seconds shy of Kubica.
Vettel took pole, a whopping 6.482s faster than Schumacher.
(NOTE DAMP TRACK)
Only the 2 Schumachers and Mark Webber (Jaguar) were faster than the 107% time in Q1.
Due to typhoons, qualifying in both 2004 and 2019 was run on Sunday morning.
It’s interesting to note that despite there being a chicane before the final corner in Barcelona, quali times were roughly the same this year as in 2004. The chicane made a difference of about 4 seconds between 2006 and 2007.
So the slicks would have to bridge a gap as big as 3 seconds to be in range of the top cars at some tracks.
Grooved tires and full ERS deployment in qualifying laps.
Wow. Serious eye opener. All those tyrelimited "races" when they had the answer all along. Please Ferrari put Kimi in this with DRS for the next race with full audio! "Yeah it's ok- now shut up and leave me alone"
😑"You forgot to connect the drink bottle..." ~Kimi
The F2004 was so impressive , no one's talking bout his white beard
Here after the announcement of Setsuna Yuki's new VA of Coco Hayashi. Man the F2004 imo still legendary even in 2023. Setsuna Yuki also love this car.
I'd love to see modern F1 cars running on the classic twin loop Monza.
Engineers have complained for years now that F1 cars are way too fat. The aero on the 2020 cars is unbeatable. If they got rid of the batteries and instead only used an ICE then they'd run away and leave the F2004 behind. But because they're so incredibly heavy, a 16 year old car can keep up
The grooved tyres they had at the time would have certainly slowed them down by a few seconds a lap. Because cars were on a whole lighter, running on heavy fuel would have meant worse relative performance at the start of the race also. What I'd be curious to see is how fast we could make a car by combining the best of both worlds; V10 engine, light car, slick tyres, modern day suspension and aero.
The 2017 cars were already quicker than the 2004 cars with grooves. I struggle to believe the 2020 cars would be slower than 2004 cars on slicks.
@@weallfollowmanutd you forgot, that in 2004 was only 1 shot qualifying and they had to do it with race fuel, so 2004 quali-times could be even better with low fuel in current type of qualifying...
@@MarshallGA12 I didn't forget. That cars were still slower in Firday qualifying on low fuel compared to 2021 cars.
@@weallfollowmanutd I know, but still it was not maximum, in Q every driver had only 1 shot... so track was not going so much better like in current type of Q... and because then it was only 1 shot, drivers were not risk so much because nobody wanted started first in saturday's Q - where drivers started in order based from friday's Q ...
Apart from sound, what I loved about those formulas in 2004 was the lack of "push to overtake" buttons. And the races were more interesting, the cars looked faster... And the V10 sound oh my...
Can you try with the Renault RB25?
Imagine the current chassis building techniques but making the F2004, current Pirelli tires, 2019 Mercedes W10 or 2016 W07 or 1993 Williams FW15C suspension, 2010 RB6 floor and exhaust routing.....
i actually tried this in assetto corsa with my friend who is a similar skill to mine and i drove the rss hybrid 2020 and he drove the f2004 and there was very little difference to me and him who was a little slower than me (the f2004 needed more fuel which punished him a lot in the first half of the race (20 laps at spa))
Opened the video knowing the F2004 would be the better car by a mile. Was not disappointed.
That beard is comedy man hahaha
You can see it's much much better though the slow corners because of the shorter wheelbase, and its SO much quicker off the start cos of the traction control. I'm pretty sure this is pretty realistic - an F2004 with slicks would probably beat todays cars.
I do like the smaller sized F1 cars - obviously dirty air was still a huge problem back then, but at least they didnt take up half the track sometimes as the modern cars do. I am all for slowing the cars down a little though, taking some downforce off, if it improves the racing.
AI don’t use ERS on the back straight leading to the bus stop chicane at spa
3 video ideas:
1: What if F1 had colored tyres (Pink/Purple/Orange/Ice Blue)
2: What if F2 cars had 90's engine Sounds
3: What if F1 had 18-inch tyres
Imagine someone making a 2004 season mod 👀
Appropriate tires can also help a lot in turns, that's why he felt so difference
Use all of the teams that have a classic car and replace their 2020 cars with them
the F2004 with slotted slicks demands you be gentle and precise to extract the most performance out of them, but in the game or in real life.
part of the reason we have normal slicks again is the cars are nowhere near as fast in the corners as the ones from this era, let alone in a straight line but, regardless of the tires a car that is fast down the straights is always going be that way.
What if Ferrari ran the 2019 car but with the 2020 engine?
Don't you mean 2020 car with 2019 engine?
It means that it would've been legal this year (19' car 20' engine)
The 2020 *car* was better than the 2019 *car* btw
@@billylawuk It's not possible to tell which car is better. The 2020 car traded plenty of speed on the straights for speed in the corners (higher downforce).
That F2004 still holds the Fastest Lap record at Monza circuit.
Papa gillon😂
I don't know why TH-cam showed me this video from a couple of years ago but it was worth it just for the beard. I hope that was a bet
Is that Alex’s actual beard
I don’t think so
It’s shocking
What I learnt:
F2004: Faster in a straight line.
2020: More downforce.
What I already knew:
F2004: Faster in a straight line.
2020: More downforce.
This is the car that they used in the 2020 season but 10X faster
Brilliant driving mate!!!