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3:02
'I don't believe in apexes.'
Jimmer Narrowstraight, sim-racer and amateur racing driver
“We at the Backseat Drivers Association approve of this message” circa 2022
"Why believe in the apex if you cut it anyway?" - Ben Daly
What the heck gearing are you set at? The rpms are thru the roof and youre slow as crap 😒
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The "V10 Era" on proper slicks was always the dream. Pure insanity no doubt but it would have been fun.
f1's group B?
@@innesmackay8968 that would have been at same time when they had up to 1400hp in qualifying trim
I mean we had V10 and slicks from 1989-1997. But I know what you mean
@@innesmackay8968 those were the turbo engines
@@armchairracer007 Yeah you're right - Unfortunately for me 1996 was my first full season watching, so I missed out on a lot of fun
10:25 is probably fairly accurate to the reaction the Ferrari engineers had when they were testing the F2004 to discover how ludicrously fast it really was
Yeah i wonder how they felt and how much time it took for them to realize that their creation was real and not some kind of dream
@@GarkKahn they actually thought something was wrong.
I read this as he had that reaction
@@danielb916 The reports are they tore the car apart trying to find what they screwed up.
@@slwsnowman4038 from what I know they did everything
At the track, weighed the car to check if it was underweight, disassembled everything, at the factory check if it was even legal, etc
Insane
But how slow do the grooved tires make a modern car? That’s what I wanna know next
Mans giving free ideas out
@@Jimmy_Broadbent Time to get Niels on the case for the real fiziks 😂
This needs to be happen
Do it, do it!
Or what could the slicked f2004 do on the nordschleife?
Modern rubber compounds are incredible, it's not just the lack of grooves, there is a lot more to modern tires, including changes in the layout and materials of the carcass.
Yeah people underestimate what Pirelli has been up to. They work with incredibly tough guidelines to build tires for F1
@@1997jankuschef Yeah, but... but... but they go flat occasionally! We can't have that, bring on the Tire Wars Pt2.
Actually I'd be all for it between Hoosier Tires and Mickey Thompson, just because the hearing Sky talk about "Hoosiers" and "the crew has stopped him the Mickeys!"
Modern compounds are much softer in general and degrade faster. That's been purposely required to Pirelli in order to increase the number of stops, hence more crucial strategy game within races.
Moreover they decided to adopt a single manufacturer for all cars because tyres are such a critical part for performance that if one tyre brand is slightly less competitive overall, all teams using that brand will be doomed to stay behind the others and they could do nothing on their side
@@1997jankuschef yeah people might but I think they also massively underestimate how good the grooved tires were. Pretty much unlimited development to perfectly fit the car, so while they were grooved, pretty much everything else about them was perfect and very rapid.
I’ve done this and it’s so much more fun to drive the F2004 it’s glued with slicks. Also try the 2005 McLaren too it’s a great mod. The aero is awesome. With the F2004 adding slicks makes it much more competitive.
I’ve done a 2007 car with v10 basically what it f1 never switch to the v8 thing is fast af
The 2005 McLaren mod is one of the best F1 cars available on any sim (at least it was with a TS-XW. Not tried it with Direct Drive yet). Nothing beats the iRacing Williams for me though; it’s so alive and visceral. The W12 is good but it’s too easy and soft. The Williams bounces and skips and I love it. Sorry for the rant lol but that car is ludicrously underrated
@@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames
No all good. More information the better. I’ve only tried the 05 McLaren with CSL elite PS4/PC would love to try it with a DD someday. The Williams I’m yet to try with have to give it a go now. I’ve only got the 2015 McLaren and 2021 Mercedes in i Racing. They are fun too. But now I wanna try the Williams lol. Also yeah the Mercedes does feel super easy to drive which surprised me.
10:26
Live footage of Ferrari testing the f2004 for the first time.
I heard somewhere that they actually thought the timer was broken? Can you confirm that? Sorry.
@@iceicebaby8469 I don't know about the timer, but I know they initialy thought the car was underweight
@@iceicebaby8469 ive heard broken timing and I also heard that they thought they forgot to put ballast on the car so they went and put it on a weigh bridge only for it to come back fully loaded. Ferrari built a car faster than anyone could have imagined.
@@iceicebaby8469 I think it in Driver61's channel, titled "Car was so good it shocked Ferrari" lemme know if this is the one you're looking for 😊
@@gabrieldinglasan I watched that, YESS that explains it. Ty all 🥰
You have to remember your nearly 200Kg LIGHTER than a modern F1 car with the 2004 being 605Kg vs the 798Kg of a 2022 machine.
the new cars are so big and heavy compared to the 00's cars, it looks really sad when you put them side by side
Modern cars are a joke lol
@@R9naldo they archive the same power, while beign heavier and thousands of times more safer. Also a lot more tech are into them.
@@v44n7 yet a whole field of modern F1 cars would get easily lapped by a 2000s V10 during a race. And they're safer? Really? Isn't the hybrid era where F1 had it's first driver death since Senna. Meanwhile in the 2000s there were no deaths and barely no real severe injuries. Now give a 2000s V10 modern slicks and modern materials for the V10 engine itself. That's all it needs to completely destroy a modern F1 car.
@@R9naldo what a moronic take Using bianchi’s dead like this to win a petty uninformed argument
Your self-deprecating and humble style is very endearing, and you're a darned sight better driver than you sometimes give yourself credit for. But what makes this video, and the channel in general, is the thought, the research, the education, the interest in the technical aspects of the sport. Bravo Jimmy.
Thanks man ❤️
It's the British way
The funny thing is, the '05 F1 cars are still faster than the '22 cars over race distance because the '22 cars can't run full power all the time due to battery charging.
Yeah, but only because they had not have any restrictions on the number of engines, they could use over a season. Having the chance of changing your engine every race makes it easier to let it rev at 18 000 rpm, i suppose.
@@deepsteep4748 But the fact you needed to refuel and was only allowed to use a single set of tires for the whole race is crazy.
@@deepsteep4748 you had 1 engine per weekend. If it broke in practice or quali you got a penalty. So no, it wasn't unlimited engines. The crazy thing was only being able to use 1 set of tyres for the whole race. Could only pit for fuel, no tyre change and they are still faster. Everyone likes to go on about these new cars about how fast they are but in reality, they aren't that fast compared to what they where doing nearly 20 years ago now. Sure over one lap, but even then it's close, in a race?? I know what I would rather drive if I ever got the chance.
@@silversteve-o68 What is amazing is how far they are able to push lower powered engines with the hybrid system. Could you imagine using the hybrid technology and DRS on a modern v10 or v12 engine? I think most people don't realize that technological advances would have been the same regardless of what engine you are using. I mean if they were running the v10 engines today and were able to keep on upgrading and advancing the platform it would be a faster engine than the modern one without a doubt.
@@silversteve-o68 because the car is lighter, BY A LOT. We talk about 200kg minimum
I was actually lucky enough to see this in real life, except the 2003
On a track in Georgia called Road Atlanta... Ferrari took the F2003 to set a record at Road Atlanta. Except they had provided it with slick tires.
It still holds the record for the track to this day
The F2003-GA wasnt actually as dominant or good as the F2002 and F2004, so imagine how much faster it whould be...
@@foxy126pl6 it was still faster than the F2002, just not as much faster as its competition
Turn 3 in an F1 car sounds terrifying
The fastest lap time during this years Austrian GP weekend was set during one of the show events by Ralf Schumacher in his 2004 BMW-Williams.
Those cars were really fast back in the day.
It's not just about top speed. The biggest difference is that those cars were about 200kg lighter. So they were much nimbler in tight corners, they could brake later and had better acceleration out of the corner.
The only big advantage modern cars have is downforce, which makes them faster in high speed corners..
Ralf had lap times around 1:14 which is nearly 10 seconds slower than modern f1 cars?
@@julesk3818 wrong. His fastest lap was 1:08.170 min. which was 9 tenth slower than Verstappens fastest Race lap. Leclerc was also faster that's it. The BMW was limited at 850 PS and if you watch the laps Ralf was far away from the Limit.
Much better than modern cars. Even Alonso said F1 is getting boring like it was in the 80s and we are losing viewership figures since the 2000s and early 2010s. Hamilton also said we need those V10 engine sounds back when Alonso did his run in Abu Dhabi. Then I think it was Hulkenberg who said modern F1 cars are unpredictable and will spin randomly. We need F1 cars that are actually lightweight and aggressive to drive, not some bulky, ridiculously heavy and large cars.
@@silentsnake1800 if you watch the modern race fastest lap, it was far from the limit as well. The way the tires work now, they can't push to the max in the race at all. There's always energy, fuel, or tires to think about. The car its self is way faster, it just can't be run faster, like LMP cars. It's kind of sad.
This was 2003 Williams. Williams 2004 was shit😂😂
I love the design of the 2022 cars (besides Mercedes), but there is something about the size of the older cars that excite me! Imagine those cars, with DRS, the passing and racing would be amazing! Wish there was some common ground they could meet on, the cars nowadays are gigantic compared to this older car.
You're not the only one.
The cars nowadays are about a meter longer, and 0.2 meters wider, and the tyres are about 100mm wider.
You think that's a small difference, then you watch footage of both areas side by side, then you realise how much of difference that is.
The mercedes is literally the best looking car. All the other designs are generic and meh, apart from ferrari's which is just comically bad looking (even though very fast).
I really like these regs tbh, cars look mad and are fast af
@@Jimmy_Broadbent in 10 years tracks will only be able to accommodate 5 yachts at a time instead of 20
@@Jimmy_Broadbent Two words, Jimmy, TWO WORDS.
Monaco, Sundays.
The V10s will always be THE sound of F1 to me. Watching the Schumachers, Alonso, Button...and even the kinda forgotten names like Fisichella and Sato. That was great part of my childhood right there!
We all grew up with V10 F1's. This is our childhood.
Fun fact: a 2004 era car is faster over a race distance than a current hybrid era car. It's not even close - they're 2-3 minutes faster over a full race. The hybrids are immense over a single lap, but the battery charging and fuel consumption management affect their long runs massively.
The hybrid era cars are 2-5 seconds slower per lap in race, compared to their qualifying laps...
V10 cars were able to run qualifying pace during the race itself..
If you put the F2004 against 19 2022 cars, the F2004 would not only win the race, it'll lap every other car less than halfway into a standard 305km race.
Yeah guys, it also seemed obvious to me, but the new cars get all the hype when people look at the quali laps. To me F2004 is the fastest ever, since one lap speed is a bit out of context
That's because of the limitations placed on the newer technology by the F1 rules. Without those restrictions, it wouldn't even be close.
@@r.a.64592020 f1 was by far faster than v10s every track they raced at they broke records
@@r.a.6459 Yeah okay, a major factor in those differences is that during the 2004 year of f1 rounds, the strategist could play with the fuel-load during the race to increase the speed even further. Remember, since 2010 the cars had to start with enough fuel for the entire raceday. So they really only can do "qualifying runs" on raceday at the end of the race. (which they usually do if they had raced a free pitstop)
I experienced the naturally aspirated V10 twice, once in 99 at the Nürburgring and in 2000 at Hockenheim. You basically needed earplugs anywhere near the track. Those cars were deafeningly loud. Very nice sound, but serious tinnitus risk
Honestly you need ear plugs to watch just about any race I've ever been to. Even track days are too loud. Sure touring cars don't make you wince every time they go past but they will damage your hearing if you let them.
@@kantina4765 true, but the current crop of V6 hybrids are a lot less loud than the V10.
@@Numfuddle they certainly feel louder when they go past. I've only seen the current ones at goodwood and it was still more than enough to make me jam my ears closed though lol.
This just in: race cars are loud
This is such a coincidence! This mod is already out a while and EXACTLY at the day I wanted to upload a video about this car Jimmy does 😂
Hey Skyfall! Didn’t expected you, here, I’m definitely hyped on that AC mod showcase because ur vids are great m8!
PS, when is the vid coming?
@@pineapple9408 I’m glad that u like my videos! The video is coming tomorrow, I’m not sure if I’m able to finish the editing today!
2 slow m8
@@SkyFall4839 ya snooze ya lose😂😂😂
@@Jimmy_Broadbent 😳 drama incomimg??! /s
At some circuits at Ferrari Race Days events, customers with F2002 and F2004 using modern tires were faster than record times! Circuits like Spa, Monza, Silverstone, the FIA doesn't let the times publicize for obvious reasons! Even this year Montoya with a 2003 BMW if I'm not mistaken was faster than the 2022 cars and wasn't even using full power!
Fr ?
you can go on spa like low 1:44s and even lower, like 43,42. 48 is baseline.
@@845_Mk6 Yep, people behind the scenes say it very very quietly, but everyone there knows: the F2004 genuinely is the fastest car ever made and regulations ruined F1. Now it's just some racing series with a lot of marketing, it stopped being about speed in 2005.
@@uncannysnake Agree 100%
At the Austrian GP Ralf Schumacher in the 2003 Williams was faster than the 22 cars and he did not even push the car to its limits. Crazy stuff
There's a setup specifically for the F2004 (with the *khm* non-cheater engine) in Spa that allows much better lap times by lowering the downforce a lot. It is very very hard to drive the car like that as it will try to kill you in every corner, even in Blanchimont which is usually flat out even with the F2004. The times go down to 1:38.1 but most (the non-jedis) will be around 1:40, which is still a very impressive time.
Yep! dgr Racer is pretty mad insane indeed! :D
also don´t forget the track is not the same as it was in 2004. no track is the same like they where in 2004, small changes here an there over time made them faster as well.
@@AlbiM1 you are not slow yourself either 😜
@@simracersalonen5941 Not even that fast if you think about it!
@@AlbiM1 you are so modest 😉
Crazy how fast F2004 was! All track records were broken by the newer cars (2018-now). F2004 still holds 3 Circuits, 2 by Schumi (Bahrain, Shanghai) and 1 by Rubens (Monza). On the other hand Kimi (Hockenheim, 2004) and Montoya (Istanbul, 2005) still hold the records respectively. What an era!
I mean Alonso set pretty much identical times to what the other drivers did at Abu Dhabi when he did his Renault Demo run with his old car on slicks...
He wasn't pushing
@@johncarey1980 Not on the lap on the f1 channel. But during the night he was actually pushing, and he set a time pretty much identical to the 2020 cars in the 2005 car with slicks
@@jonnyj. No he was definetly not pushing 100% because that car is an old classic so repairs are not easy and very expensive, and seeing his old beautiful car be broken wouldn't be a nice sight at all
@@R9naldo and also he drove on an dirty track with no specilised setup like he would when doing quali in this car. he was just having fun in this car nothing more, no too the limit driving just cruising around.
he later stated himself that he was just cruising around having fun driving this car again after such a long time.
the ferrari team tested the f2004 with slick in maranello in 2022, and they couldn`t believe that this car was this fast in comparison than the one they have now. how fast they never will say but they where shocked by how fast it still is. every now and then ferrari does this kind of stuff too see where they must improve.
@@Super-Godzilla99 exactly. I also heard that at private events at tracks like Spa, customers with Ferraris, including F2004 with slicks, regurarly beat lap records
Thank you so much for this one Jimmy! This is something that I've been thinking about for years now and I'm so happy to see the result.
My favourite era of F1.. amazing soundtrack, so nimble... so much more exciting than what we have now.. love it!
@@hoya1178 Hmm.. I'm not sure it's just nostalgia.. I agree that the racing is closer now and that is definitely a great thing but thats one of very few steps forward in terms of the spectacle IMO
We enjoy different things from the sport for different reasons, I guess my auditory senses are perhaps more powerful for me than yours for you.. but thats ok.
The current GE cars are fine but if they were lighter and sounded better I wouldn't miss a race live.
@@hoya1178 Lol... If you read my comment again you will see that I actually did recognise the failings of the past eras by agreeing with you.
Why does me liking the past eras more upset you? Call it what you want, car go vrooom, I really dont care. I like what I like but unlike yourself I respect you liking what floats your boat. Have a nice day but mind and remove that prickly butt plug you have inserted, its making you a bit cranky for no real reason.
Proud to be one of the test guys for this mod, and it's incredible to see it on one of your videos! Really happy for Ali! :D
absolute beast of a car with that v10
Heard a V10 F1 car for the first time irl a few weeks ago at brands hatch. Best sound I have ever heard by a country mile.
All my nostalgia feels are lighting up lol! Fun for new and old fans of F1 I think! Just like the Group B videos, who doesn't like a little bit of a universally adored era?! Great content as always :)
As a spectator of F1 from 1986 I think the best sounding cars were from the early 1990s with the V12 Ferraris. Quite often Berger and Alesi would be first out of the pits and you could hear the shriek of the V12 as it went around Spa or Monza.
For all doubters: Take a look at the preliminary program for the Austrian GP at the Redbull Ring in 2022. Ralf Schumacher drove a few laps there with his 2003 BMW on Pirelli medium slicks and was immediately, without any real setup, just a second slower than Max Verstappen's pole lap of the same year on soft. Add the difference between Mediums and Soft and then the difference between the Ferrari from 2004 to the BMW from 2003 and a proper setup for the track and you get that the Ferrari F2004 is around 4-5 seconds faster than the current Redbull on the same tires.
it was detuned and ralf is almost 50 :)
@@AlaVRSim That is also true.^^
His fastest lap was a 1:08 something. Max's Pole was a 1:04 something. Still. Detuned engine, old driver, probably not the softest slick out there. And not the fastest car of the V10 era. F2004 on a soft slick compound would probably be the fastest F1 car in history. Or at least close to the Mercedes Monster of 2020.
“Imagine driving a car like this in real life” -Only Nando has
And Ralph
4:10 -- Didn't expect to hear Alexander Brandon in the background. Kudos to your editor, have the Conspiravision album running in the background for work regularly. Big nostalgia points with that.
Honestly more amazing than the "less fuel" part: Engines last 6-7 races instead of one :D
If that 1:37 was real, it wouldn't have merely beaten the 919 Evo, it would have absolutely demolished that lap record by nearly five seconds, around a track where lap records are decided on tenths. I have a sneaking suspicion the mod is a little bit too generous with how grippy those modern tyres really are.
Probably. The 2022 F1 mod is far too fast if you look at Pouhon. The real 2022 cars are only grippy enough to take Pouhon flat in certain conditions (Max didn't *quite* take it flat in 2022), and they're certainly not grippy enough to take it flat on a warmup lap with so much grip left over that they don't even need to get close to the outside of the corner, like Jimmy is doing in this video.
So when RSS release their 2022 F1 car everyone praises them for having extremely realistic mods and some of the best cars in sim racing altogether, but when it doesn't fit your narrative suddenly RSS didn't do it right
I seen Michael Schumacher’s F2004 and I clicked immediately!!
Everytime i hear those exhaust notes, i get excited. If only the modern ones had anything approaching that sound
9:46 you were pushing so hard the front right tire lifted DAMN
The F2004 on slicks would be sickly fast.
At the Red Bullring this year - Ralf Schumacher drove his old BMW Williams a few laps with slicks - apparently they could not publish the times as he was faster than the 2022 times 😂
Let me guess, your source is "trust me bro"?
@@BigFatCock0 Do the math, genius. The old cars are lighter with less drag and power all the way at the top of every gear, they brake later and accelerate quicker out of corners. Slick tires exacerbate their speed through high speed corners. A track like the Red Bull Ring is an obvious contender for an unrestricted old F1 car to beat new ones.
@@Bowseefuss101 The lap is available to watch on TH-cam. Time it yourself.
@@BigFatCock0 I'll jump in to say the laps weren't faster than modern cars, I timed Ralf at around 1.14.5 in both his "fast" laps. Pole time this year was 7 seconds faster and if he had done that time in 2003, he'd be in the last places alongside a Minardi which had similar times in QF.
@@Ferariiman Thank you. Getting sick of people just making shit up lol.
Fastest lap of the 2004 Spa gp was 1m45s! Absolutely insane cars even with the grooved tyres
The track was little bit different but still absolutely fast
@@bencedomokos yeah, I wonder how big of a difference the bus stop made compared to how the track is now
@@benchaggaresmusic 1 or 2 sec maybe
@@bencedomokos slower or faster?
@@susfranzliszt yes
Ralf Schumacher proved this out at the Austrian GP a couple of years ago. They took a 2003 Williams and bolted on modern Pirellis. 47 year old Ralf Schumacher did a short demo run with no practice, no setup optimisation, and with a slightly detuned engine as it was just a display run.
He managed to set a time that would have put him on the second row of the grid if he was in qualifying. Imagine how much faster that could have been with a driver in their peak pushing to the limit, with the car properly set up for the conditions. Would have completely blitzed the modern cars.
While the modern engines have the same power, they only achieve that some of the time because they have to harvest energy at other times, and they are also significantly heavier. The only reason modern cars are faster than the V10s are because of the wider grippier tyres. Put them on the same tyres and even with their far more advanced modern aero they would struggle against a 2004 car.
An interesting comparison is that the all conquering Mercedes of F1 W05, arguably the most dominant car in F1 history, was slower around a lap than a 2004 Minardi at many tracks, before they started clawing that laptime back with wider tyres and more aero in the years that followed.
It's not that unrealistic. If you don't count only total downforce, but also a huge weight difference, it's actually pretty realistic comparison. Downforce effectivness is going significantly low when you are adding weight. That is the reason it's so decisive today to have as much downforde as physically possible, because those cars are so heavy that their inercial forces have to be overcome.
It's difficult to find figures to clarify/confirm, but a friend of mine runs a classic F5000 in historic racing in the UK (and occasionally abroad), it is an ex Surtees car and was driven by various big time drivers over the years. One of the things he tells me is that due to the tyres being produced with modern techniques, despite looking the same to the eye, and the cars being driven by amateur drivers with wallets (and stomachs) bigger than the skills they possess, the lap times are often 5 seconds faster than they were back in the day in full competition. I think this shows the kind of difference tyre technology can make.
Being a couple hundred kgs lighter than the newer stuff helps as well. Same has happened with Sports bikes as well, they are unashamedly around the 210kg level now, they were sub 200kg back in the mid-00s, with the excuse the electronics make up for it. I'm not so sure though.
despite only being 6 years old when Schumacher was King, he and Ferrari captured my imagination like no one in Motorsport ever has, that brilliant Red Ferrari rocketing down the straights screaming as it blasts around those old tracks, the way he danced it through the corners especially the bust stop chicane at Spa, the sheer speed and brilliance, and the absolute ruthlessness of Michael himself was utterly mesmerising, you can take his records and lap times all you want, but to me he'll forever be the Greatest of All Time
The grooves are actually quite interesting. Yes, they were mandated to slow the cars down by removing some of the contact area of the tyres, but then the question arises why they didn't mandate narrower tyres. That would have reduced grip, but it would have also reduced drag because there was simply less tyre in the way of the air. So grooved tyres it was.
I imagine grooved tires got rid of heat better than smaller tires?
So teams didn’t have to completely redesign their brakes I’m sure
@@dylanzrim3635 ever overheated a tire on a motorcycle? That shit is scary. More so if you are going 200mph in a cockpit attached to an engine
The grooves also forced the tyre manufacturers to use harder rubber
10:34 That flabberghasted expression.
"How the feth did I do that in a car from 2004?"
The cars were JUST THAT GOOD. I don't carte if this mod isn't realistic.
I hear from Rubens Barrichello that they qualify with more gas than normal to hide de full potential of this car, that's how insane this car is!
God I can't handle this, as impressive modern f1 is, the raw brutality will always get the edge. DRS and losing the V10 is when the love changed into like.
You need to see that the F2004 is MUCH lighter than modern F1 cars, 20 cm narrower and had essentially the same power that it used ALL the time, no ERS limitations. It had lower downforce BUT the ratio of downforce/weight was quite close. In total, the F2004 on slicks would DESTROY any F1 car that would use the ordinary tyres it had IRL.
I think it would be faster, or at least very close with the modern cars. These cars were 200kg lighter than the modern cars, with similar power outputs but less downforce. The cars move about more too and sound epic and are a lot smaller, makes them way more entertaining to watch as a spectstor
didn't Montoya once say that the 2004 cars would become too fast to drive if slicks weren't banned?
The F2004 IS a beast! The fact alone, that an almost 20 !!! year old car is barely 2 seconds slower thn the 2022 Red Bull says alot.
There is a reason, that car is so loved.
I once had the honor to sit in one those mashines You dont need to drive it, just sit inside you can feel that car.
As a recovering addict of PS2 "TOCA 2" from 1998, I have not touched video games since the early 2000s. I would love to see what you can do with a Group A Nissan Primera or Renault Laguna around the Nordschleife or the old Spa
I wonder how it would perform with the Ultrasofts from a few years ago
The 2004 cars weren't quick simply because they had the glorious v10's and had less drag, it had an awful lot to do with how light they were relative to today's cars.
If you think about it, the general rule of thumb is that 10kg of weight amounts to 3-4 tenths of a second in lap time, give or take a bit for certain circuits. And given the 2004 cars weighed 605kg as opposed to the... 798kg of the 2022 spec cars, a 1:37 doesn't seem that unreasonable.
Of course there are some many variables at play, etc, etc. But yeah, bring back the v10's!
Jamble f1 vid, team boss king
if i was the head of FIA, every 5th year I'd have one full f1 season that consists of v10 only f1 cars with slicks, refuelling, ~600 kilogram weight, improved aero for increased downforce, and only naturally aspirated v10 ear piercing engines. people would love that.
4:59 "Don't sound as good, but it's impressive. We have to remember that sometimes"
Very important line for many of the modern sports. We may always lookg back with nostalgic eyes, but reality is, we are in a good place.
Same narrative as Group B. Modern WRC vehicles (either World Rally Car or Rally1) are MUCH faster than Group B ever was and people sometimed forget that we are all into this for the excitement from speed, which is why Gr.B was famous (at the time) to begin with.
I get the point but the sound is a huge part of it. I know electric is the fastest thing we have out there but at the cost of its sound. you could have race cars going 300mph but if all you hear is a little bzzz and just wind noise, it just isnt worth it. It may as well be televised like how a golf game would be.
You’re missing the point though, a group B regulation car built today would shart all over wrc.
@@dylanzrim3635
I gotta agree, we should bring homologation back.
Closest to that is Pikes Peak, which is NOT a homologation and instead is just bonkers all out, which wasn't what Group B did.
@@dylanzrim3635 Jimmer actually tested that on here a while back, and while it did demolish WRC on the straights, modern WRC cars are overall faster.
I would argue that the grooved tyres where part of the formula (sic) that made the V10's great. They had the power and they could've had the handling if it wasn't for those dammed tyres, but that made the racing so much better. We where watching risk Vs reward week in and week out. Yeah obviously the sound track helped. Like a lot.
Yeah, hustling them on weird tyres is pretty satisfying
@@Jimmy_Broadbent I imagine mate. Unfortunately I haven't got a decent SIM rig and trying to hustle on an Xbox pad just isn't the same. At the moment I can afford one hobby and the bike beats the computer hands down. Real Kawasaki beats silicon Ferrari lol 😅
Until they brought traction control back in 2001 :(
Grooved tyres were also in the days of tyre wars.
Michelin and Bridgestone.
Ferarri used the Bridgestone and almost everyone else used the Michelin.
Michelin's tyres being the reason for the 2005 US Grand Prix being a 6 car farce.
The red of the soft Pirelli rubber on the F2004 hits you right in the Jimmers!
Bellisimo innuendo.
Bear in mind Mika Hakkinen (and many others since) rightfully pointed out modern F1 cars are heavy compared to the V10 era cars and that light weight of those cars makes a hell of a lot of difference in handling and speed!
Funny thing is, those old grooved tires are miles better than modern day Pirellis. During the tire war days, Michelin and Bridgestone made the best tires that they could come up with (within the regulations). Nowadays, the FIA tell Pirelli to make tires that go off much quicker. That was the whole reason why they let Pirelli make them starting in 2011, so they could have much more control. If we had the same compound Bridgestones with no grooves, then it’d be insane.
Was wondering when you were going to do a video on this mod!! I tried it out the other day, and it's absolutely mental, especially the A and B tuned spec cars
"They're pretty quiet"
*CONTINUES REVVING*
I wish they would introduce some sort of a one off yearly competition for a lap record, or maybe they do it at every track. Not no rules, but almost no rules. You can have moveable aero, computer controlled suspension and aero, etc. So, the cars only go out on the track one at a time for safety reasons.
Dude who is editing your clips? Still you? Awesome story telling, love it!
i can already see jimmo taking the slick tired v10 f1 car around nords 🙃
In addition to all the tire tech that people have pointed out, I’d like to mention that, while it doesn’t fully bridge the gap, what the F2004 is lacking in aerodynamic cornering performance it (nearly) reclaims in lack of weight.
They actually put slicks on a 2005 F1 cars (Renault Alonso's) and it was much faster than todays cars. Its cool you actually did this in Assetto Corsa Jimmy, fair play mate - Ive just seen this now lol
That shot of the F2004 with slicks... Sight of perfection.
The V10 era was 'my' era. I'm old enough to vaguely remember the last V12's but my love for F1 was formed in the V10 era. And it's the best engine because it's not only a good engine, it also stirs the soul. Facts.
Although to be fair, the modern Turbo V6 is a genuine masterpiece of engineering; most powerful engines in F1 history, most torque, most efficient and generally the most reliable.
Just did a 1:34.171!!
I would love to see what the old cars would have done in real life, would have been mental!!
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
1'34?? I. Am. Speechless.
0:11 "The Blues Brothers" Nice! :-D
Love the casual shade thrown at the DTS audience that didn't realise F1 existed before 2021!
I'm loving your sound effects usage, thanks Jimmer.
It was a pleasure chatting with you earlier on AmpF1!! Hope they bring you back on a bunch! (I was JTF1)
Good to chat man!
would like to see this with a cup of tea in one hand and a scone in the other..... great vlog brother
Ten seconds is a lot, but those late v10 were true monsters.
In december 2020, Alonso got the chance to drive a 2005 Renault on a F1 test day in Abu Dhabi, to celebrate the renaming of the Renault team to Alpine.
The 2005 Renault title winning car had been restored and set up for the purpose of parade laps.
With a set of soft slicks, he pushed it to 1 second under the fastest lap clocked by any 2020 cars that day.
He reckoned that with a proper performance setup and some more laps to reacclimate, he could've easily shove off 3 or 4 seconds more off that time.
While the time is way too fast, it's not inconceivable that it would be a lot faster than this year's cars.
To compare: The F2002 had a pole lap of 1:43.7 while Max set a 1:43.6 this year, meaning that Michael could have started on the front row this year with a 20-year-old car.
Let that sink in: A 20-year-old car could have fought for pole in Spa this year.
I would love to have a time of the F2004, sadly quali was wet in 04 and there was no race in 03, so I had to take the 02 time.
you can´t compare different tracks. In 2002 there was a different layout. Didin´t you think it was wierd that the F2004 was 2 sec slower than the F2002 lap?
@@luisesteves911 Actually the fastest race lap in 2002 was a 1:47.1 and in 2004 1:45.1 so actually the other way around.
But I do agree that comparing different track (layouts) is obviously far-fetched.
@@Th0rmator either way, even if we had the same tracks and layout, F1 cars can be very easily modified (too many factors go into how fast can a car set a lap). The best we can do is combine the strengths of each generation, comparing sets of regulations is pointless.
Imagine Schumi driving this in 2022 like Fernando did with his R25 in Abu Dhabi. With SLICKS!
That's mindblowing, I was gonna crap on the hybrid era time, but my god even a 1:41 is 4 seconds slower
Wow! I was just doing some online AC races with the F2004 at Spa today after some months without racing!
This car and track is such a great combo
I can’t dip into the 1:39s like the guys can tho, they’re crazy fast!
:D see you on track man!
@@AlbiM1 See ya!!
I think that grooved tires and halos on F1 cars are features speaking for themselves: you have living beings driving these machines at incredible speeds and the one thing that it should protect them from? Death.
But still, how are you Jimmy able to race an F1 car, get a hot lap all the while commenting? I am so glad that I have subscribed, now being an owner of "just" an used T150 and playseat challenge, maybe one day I will hopefully upgrade to fanatec and who knows what seat.
Love when Jimmy makes this kind of content, always a pleasure to watch!!
That outro by the way… 😂😂😂
starting my weekend off proper, what a king
they put slicks on v10 demo cars now, alonso had them on his renault the last year at abu dhabi demo. it looks so right, grooves were a mistake
The car is legitimately that fast in a straight line which supprised me a ton, montoya hit 369 kph at monza, faster than the top speed of even the 2020 cars. And I bet he hit 350 way before the 2020 cars did even though top speed is only a couple ks slower on the modern car.
Ralf Schumacher did a lap with his old V10 Bmw/williams car at redbull ring in 2022 that had been fitted with modern tires. He was faster than everyone except Verstappen and Leclerc, by just 1 second. The v10 was also detuned from 950 to 850Hp and the guys is turning 50 years old :D So its safe to say the old cars are still faster given modern tires
It's not just the grooves - tire compounds have developed in leaps and bounds. Also, one easily overlooked factor is weight: Minimum weight was 600kg back then (iirc), today I think they weigh some 750-800 or so, that would be about 30%(!) heavier. So all in all: Less downforce, less mechanical grip from the suspension, but significantly better power to weight - I think a 2004 F1 should at least give a modern one a decent run for its money.
Although that modded car turns out not 100% accurate to the real thing. You still can compare it with Ralf Shumacher taking his 2003 FW25 on Medium compound of the 2022 Pirelli at this year Austrian GP Circuit Legends parade. And I was not surprised he claimed the fourth fastest lap of the weekend over the F1 2022 Quali session. That was mad!
People also seem to forget the weight difference is insane a 600kg ferrari on slicks with 950hp or a almost 800kg 2022 car with 1000hp the weight has alot of impact making the ferrari so much faster in alot of areas
I think the mod is actually accurate. My best with 17° air temperature in the stock Assetto Corsa F2004 at SPA is 1:40.3, so 90 hp more and slick tyres should definitely be able to get you that kind of speed
dude, lol. No. Do you have the slightest clue how fucking much 10 seconds is? If the f2004 is indeed that fast, then the 2022 car mod is WAY too slow. If you told me the 2004 was 2, 3 seconds faster? Sure, I could believe that, but 10? Not even in a dream
@@PPedroFernandes I'll give it a try and see
@@PPedroFernandes dude, he said he got a time only 3 seconds slower IN THE STOCK FERRARI that means that the mod IS 3 seconds quicker
This might be an unpopular opinion, but whilst the V10 definitely sounds better, I feel the V6 make watching a whole race more enjoyable
The reason why the old car is so fast in comparison to the current F1 cars is because they are so much smaller and lighter than the current F1 cars. The F2004 was 605kg vs the current F1 cars which are about 795 kg. That is way more mass (about 30% more) to accelerate which gives the V10 cars a massive advantage when tires are equaled. This also gives the old cars a massive advantage in the slow corners since aero isn't in affect then.
Video idea: how fast can 80s, 90s and 00s f1 cars go with drs, I mean like top speed, imagine the f2004, which is already 355 kph in monza, but without rear drag
Bar asked themself the same question back in 2005/2006. So they took an v10 BAR Honda to the bonnevile salt flat´s and modiefied it - but still kept the car inside the 05 ruleset. They set the current landspeed record for f1 car´s at 397,36 kp/h. During car testing prior to the speed run it archieved over 413 kp/h on an airfield.
Ive said it before the 2004 cars on slicks are the best cars ever made. Even better than 2020
The track layout is exactly the same Jimmy, that corner you said had changed, hasn’t, it’s just got a tighter corner ( for World Endurance Superbikes ) on the inside of the main F1 track
yes yes yes ive wanted a video exactly like this for so long
Yea 200kg weight advantage for the F2004 will be pretty hard to beat.
Lets sum this up:
- much MUCH more powerful and agile engine - check;
- waaaaaaaay shorter and twitchy wheelbase - check;
- much MUCH lighter car - check;
- A LOT less downforce - check;
Yeah.. i wonder why they didn't let them run on slicks to be even faster and scarier than they already were? I think FIA just got scared to make Group B happen again - cars getting faster than the drivers. I really REALLY wish to see the F2004 on slicks on real life (and i'm almost certain it will be even faster than in the game), but setting a lap in a solo car on the track is one thing, having 22 of those missiles close to each other is whole another. Just imagine reaction time needed with those speeds and now shortened braking distance with the slick tires. And the g-forces, maaaaan the G-forces would've been fighter pilot challenging, especially under braking from top speed. The 2004 cars are still considered the fastest in F1's history for a reason. That's why the sport lost it's charm after the V10 Era - it just started taking steps back instead a progressing forward.
Yeah, the issue was that the cars started to be to fast for the tracks they raced on. Although they hadn't a single deadly accident in the early 2000s, they had a bunch of close calls. For instance in 2002 at Suzuka Allan McNisch lost the rear of his Toyota in the 130R and crashed through the guardrail. McNisch was lucky because the car crashed backwards through the rail, but it was a reminder that at those corneringspeeds, the safety can't be guaranteed anymore for drivers and marshals.
The Michelin tyres had grooves at an angle. They passed the contact patch regulations when new but exploited a loophole in the rules which states used tyres could not be expected to maintain the regulation contact patch at all times through their life. As the Michelin tyres wore down, the contact patch became bigger until it was almost a slick again.
would be interesting to see the time with a '93 Williams modelled on the same slick tyres and track