I Can't Believe What This $25,000 Computer Is For
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- I found a listing for a truly ridiculous computer that has a starting price of $25,000.
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I think my favorite thing about this whole deal is the extra 2000 euro you have to pay for a port that's already on the motherboard.... looool at the apple pricing jab though.
How many of these amazingly affordable products are Dawid getting though? 😉
Hahaha that's hilarious. Ridiculous Apple indeed.
Surprised they didn’t USB locks and pay you to remove them
I hope for both of you that dawid doesnt end up being a wild audiophile, otherwise he won't buy alot more of our beloved ali-espress crap
@@ultraL2 I mean do we know that Extreme USB ist not the blocked off USB 2.0? I mean it is nothing I would past them....
Can we start a 27K 'go fund me' for Dawid to purchase one of these so he can make a video. "Can you game on a 27K Audiophile PC?"
And I say 27K because we need to get the one with the additional rear port!
If it catches fire while benchmarking even better.
We definitely need some extreme USB. 😂
I am in!
I may agree with you..but its not worth it. There are many products out there more intteresting than this thing.
@@riccisantiago Affirmative. That was kind of the point.
"...with the optional flux capacitor module, the system can literally transport you back in time to the Baroque period to listen to actual classical music by the composers themselves, we recommend using a warp core or a warehouse full of D sized batteries in series to power the optional time displacement module, D sized batteries generate less subspace distortions than warp cores..."
I would love a Sci-fi novel with these kinds of tropes. Like, weird anachronistic preferences due to an inherent misunderstanding of the technology, but in a ridiculous setting like time and space travel. It would be ludicrous.
🤣😂🤣😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Correction, "...we recommend using OUR warp core meticulously designed and precisely tuned to the core of our heartstrings.. or a warehouse full of our expertly curated ultra low power D sized batteries, sustainably sourced from largely unused late 20th century incandescent flashlights......"
An extra 2000 euro I guess?
@@ironsentinel6047I’d say a good 10 thousand euros for it.
"Industrial memory modules" so basically RAM from recycled old office machines they got in bulk for pennies?
no
@@BenState yes
Office PCs don’t use ECC. And xeons usually need registered RAM. So no.
Probably ECC, so server memory. Some Ryzen CPU can use them too.
*old servers/workstations
The one thing I found out about audiophiles is that they love being separated from their money. Truly amazing.
BOOM, I was shocked some $5,000 power cord and similar other cables weren't options.
Politely robbed?
@@fajaradi1223 LOL yupper
This is the PC equivalent of "Tone Wood" on electric guitars
Yup, have you seen the CD demagnetizing devices for $300? Of course, they were a 90's thing, but any audiophile (or human) with a brain knows that a magnetic field is not going to change the quality of audio that is literally burned into a disc. Not to mention that CDs only have maybe 2% magnetic metals inside, not to mention audiophiles with too much money waste it faster than Donald Trump
The moment i saw those huge capacitors, with prior knowledge of ludicrous price, the words "audiophile bs" immediately popped in my head.
The worship of capacitors is strong in the audiophile community, especially the legendarily "musical" wax and paper variety.
I don't know why but the Copper shielding made me think that. Probably PTSD from Klipsch products.
When I saw the condensators and passive cooling I know it has something to do with audio - but assumed it's some sort of high fidelity recording equipment where it actually matters. A file server... well, I hope all cables are mercury filled for more fluid sound and all screws from solid wolfram carbide :)
Same deal here, instant thought about audio.
I thought it was ATEX at first, spark free for boomy environments, which would make the price logical. Then after i saw the insides and had wood in it, which led me to the same exactly that conclusion.
I suspect that the heat-pipes and heat-sinks are cryogenically treated to reduce noise. Likewise the power lead will also be cryogenically treated because audiophools love that kind of BS.
what do you mean? there will be no power cable included because every audiophile worth their salt must have their own $4000 power lead and power conditioner system magnetically suspended at the right position according to their room acoustic already.
For $25k I'd expect it to cryogenic freeze me when I die.
I like my atoms cryogenically processed !
Unlikely. Cryogenic treatment induces higher transient latencies due to skin effect particularly in copper. The best low-latency heatsinks are slow forged by hand in the few remaining languedoc region monasteries using native pewter.
I got the wireless version... and then added gold-plated air molecules to make the radio waves propagate the 1's and 0's better.
No no no - you need a direct waveguide from the NAS to the streamer so the WiFi cannot get disturbed
Audiophile equipment marketing is like that episode of South Park where they went around enjoying the smell of their own farts. I guarantee you that if you put the boxes in another room, ran a network cable to the test room and did a double-blind test, nobody could accurately tell the difference between this system and a cheaper one.
I guarantee with 100% certainty that you would.
@@NinjAsylum This is not how digital audio work.
It is mocking ridiculous to assume that the best quality audio file would be bottle necked by any modern computer. The DAC is what will do the work, you just need USB2.0 speeds to stream the files
@@NinjAsylum Keyboard warriors, FIGHT! I feel, that this is heavily opinionated material. I mean, some build a sound system from Walmart, turn it up past the point of clipping, and say its the best ever. Noses are noses, and ears are ears, but none are the same. I think it would be a wash. An even split on who guesses at what digital device sounds better based on their knowledge of how sound is perceived. This product, though does look awesome, is a cash grab! In My Opinion.
@@NinjAsylum You're confusing a freaking NAS (which is what this is) to a DAC or Amp. As long as the bits get to where they need to go in the time they need to be there, uncorrupted, you'll get lossless audio. There is no analog signal involved. This thing is just serving up audio files, which any PC can do, nothing else.
Being a sound engineer myself, these audiophiles things are overpriced and aimed at ppl who most of the time can't tell the difference between audio formats. You can absolutely get a better audio setup for A LOT less
Digital audio uses so few resources a Raspberry Pi could do just as good of a job as this nonsense. The Dell 3020 4th gen i5 I got out of the recycle bin at work is massively overkill for serving audio. Most audio interfaces (even your cheap integrated soundchips) have a memory buffer somewhere. Jitter in the digital data is completely irrelevant as long as that buffer never fully empties. Not that it's hard for any modern PC to keep up with the data requirements for an audio DAC. Even one a fancy 24 bit, 192khz one - for stereo, that's only a bit over 9Mbps. These days, as long as you have a decent DAC (and decent ones can be had for < $100) and use good quality audio compression, its really just the speakers and amps. And even those are way less fussy than they used to be. Everything else is snakeoil.
If you're serving files on a network, you could run this on a bloody web-enabled toaster with a flash drive plugged into it and it would sound EXACTLY THE SAME if the files are the same. It's only the DAC that matters if there's enough data in the output buffer.
This thing does not even have its own DAC, it just sends audio data via LAN/USB/SPDIF to your actual audio device. Which buffers the data in RAM anyway, so all the "low latency" claims are pointless. It is the most pointlessly overengineered 2TB NAS.
Yeah in the end the DAC is what does all the lifting, this is just an overpriced POS
This thing isn't ever a proper "server", it's a Windows 10 PC running on ridiculous hardware and running a common digital audio server program that itself recommends far more pedestrian hardware.
I can bet that absolutely nobody would tell a difference between music streamed from this 25K$ bullshit and 15$ raspberry pi zero
Everything in the signal chain before the DAC makes zero difference for the audible fidelity. So yes factually nobody could tell a difference.
Being a sound engineer, this was funnier than I expected it to be!!! Thanks Dawid, had such a good laugh...
People always expect sound engineers to mix on ridiculous audiophile equipment when they almost never do. Mind if I ask what speakers or headphones you use when mixing and mastering? I had a chance to listen to some Yamaha 8" powered studio monitors and thought they sounded quite lovely (though I do love me a pretty flat frequency response curve).
@@mndlessdrwer That's very true. Personally I would do a mix on studio monitors. I have a pair of Yamaha HS5's and KRK Rokit 10's, but afterwards I'll listen to the mix on a pair of cheap Bluetooth speakers or any low end setup. Sometimes they reveal more than you think. For headphones I stick with my DT770's.
@@GevaarlikeGert does this thing have a real use case or is it just a scam?
@@jamesbyrd3740 No, it's just snake oil in my opinion. There is no way you can justify the price for what you are actually getting.
The most moronic part of this is that all the music files are still being sent to whatever DAC as zeroes and ones. Their bullshit argument is that this overpriced is sending more pure binary code to the DAC. The important part of digital music reproduction happens in the conversion to analog, then in the amplification. This doesn't do either of those. It sends the binary data to another device to begin that process. Provided you've got sufficient EMI shielding to prevent data corruption, scientifically identical results could be achieved with a 20 year old Pentium and any mechanical hard drive, or a laptop, or a phone sending stored files over USB to your DAC.
People buying these things don't care about this, they just spend blindly.
their 1s are more 1 than any other 1 on the market, and their 0s are more 0 than any other 0 on the market...
make binary great again...
there are 11 sorts of people :
-the people who understand binary
-the people who do not understand binary
-the people who do not give a bleeep
Yeah, but those zeros and ones are audiophile quality zeros and ones, look at those capacitors, man. That's why you need more DIMs, to keep all of the zeros perfectly round and all of the ones perfectly straight. Any deviation of the shape of the zeros or ones in RAM can affect the quality of the sound, it's just science.
stick a bitten fruit logo on this and sell it for 50K
@@ulrichkalber9039 ...and be "obsolete" in one year.
As soon as I saw those capacitors and wood I knew it was audiophile material.
Haha!! They do like their capacitors. The massive Toroidal Transformer is also a dead giveaway.
One of my new favorite videos on your channel, simply because of the barely contained rage. This entertained me immensely.
Audiophiles are something else altogether. I'm surprised they don't walk around in noise cancelling ear protection to keep ordinary sounds from vibrating their eardrums too much.
I have IEMs in right now with nothing playing because my ceiling fan is noisy and I feel attacked. Just kidding, though. I have sensitive hearing, so I get annoyed at mundane noises because they become intrusive. I will say, though, once you find some good noise isolating or active noise cancelling headphones, you'll be amazed at how long you survived without them. It's like buying a luxury car. Sure, it may offer you a premium sound system, but what you're really paying for is the option of silence. Close the door on a luxury car with double-layer windows (for sound dampening) and loads of vibration isolating butyl rubber treatment and mass-loaded vinyl in the doors and it's like shutting yourself into a bank vault. I just accomplish a similar thing with a $135 pair of IEMs, like a reasonable person.
@@mndlessdrwer I loved your addition of "like a reasonable person" hahahaha
Very well said though, I fully get ya with noise-cancelling. So good.
I didn't know that it was a storage server, but the second I saw that clean aesthetic, the massive exposed capacitors and the passive cooling I knew it had to be SOMETHING from the snake oil audio industry.
ah yes... Dawid has found the shiniest and most overkill mass storage/external USB solution for the audiophiles
GG Dawid
I dare you to make a sgm extreme for a fraction of the price cause my pc kick that things ass already cause it has 2 tb of storage when my system has 24 tb of storage and it cost a fraction of the price
methinks audiofiles research their electronic purchases far too criticallyy to ever consider this. I took me nearly 3 months just to research my receiver, and even then price was the final deciding component.
Then again, "if I were a rich man...Ya ba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba DUMB"
When I saw the listing I just couldn’t help myself. 😂
@@raven4k998, _"I dare you to make a sgm extreme for a fraction of the price cause my pc kick"_
I'd take 8, 8 TB SSDs ($1K each) and a 8 bay NAS ($1K) and have 64 TB of storage for under $9K that can serve files as perfectly as this thing does at a third the price.
It's not even well build, the best configuration for roon server is standalone with rapid(10Gbps) NAS access. This makes no sense whatsoever. Also plugging your dac in directly to roon server is asking for problems, you should use your network and something like a ropiee, which due to it's uncomplicated circuitry has ZERO noise output, and is therefor the best candidate to connect your dac to. This thing is just horsecrap wrapped in solid copper.
That would pair very well with a $500 gold-plated fiber optic cable!
Oehlbach wants to know your whereabouts 😂
Only $500? What a steal. This thing probably doesn't even come with a power cord and the audiophile shop you pick it up from will try to get you to buy some $2800 hand-braided thing and some wooden discs to balance the feet on.
You forgot the extra thick shielding and the wooden stands to keep the cable away from the ground, for better bass response in the bits passing through the cable.
Only 500 ? that can't be good quality!
$500? Might as well just listen to AM radio on a walmart boombox.
This reminds me of those projects that people do when they buy a regular system than put it in some custom made chassis to make it look better and suddenly it costs insane amount of money.
I’d be surprised if they ever sold a single one of these things
The most hilarious parts is... Since it's just storing music for another device to receive digitally... It literally does not affect audio quality AT ALL! Not even 1% just wow.
Yup, all the work is done by a DAC on the other end, meaning your phone when connected to a DAC will sound nearly (if not exactly) the same...
I mean I can kinda understand where they are coming from, but like hyper-expensive speakers and such, most people will never be able to use them properly as sound is a MASSIVE MASSIVE Pain to deal with (room shape, size, wall textures, stuff in the room, wiring and so on ALL effect sound quality, NOT just "Speakers and good quality audio tech".
@@thephoenixking1086 ,
UM... where are they "coming from" then?
A 20-core CPU to just stream audio files? Your speaker and wiring examples make sense. There ARE differences. This is a massive, massive overkill computer that wouldn't do the job any better than a modern 2-core CPU.
@@photonboy999 You could do the same thing with a raspberry pi.
You could make a case for the EEC reducing errors in the data transmitted, but you could do that with any old EEC and Xeon.
@@burgerjointgame Error checking RAM is the ONLY case that can kind of be made here, but even then when it comes to file transfers, you end up with zero errors on the other end. If the device is used for some form of true streaming, the RAM may come into play. Overall, this device is 100% scam. I do know enough to tell you that the company making this device knows that it makes no difference in audio quality, perceived or real, and that it is definitely not the suppliers lying to the designer and passing on costs. The price of many components here is high, but nowhere even close to what they are charging. ECC RAM is very common for server usage, and has a particular use case. and yes it's pricey. This is a snake oil upsell, period. Think about it this way. If errors like they are talking about happened, you would see random incorrect pixels in every file you open on your computer, on every web page you browse. You would see wrong letters in word documents and emails. Computers are accurate. These are digital files. All this device does is share the 0s and 1s that make up a music file with another device which then plays it. That device affects the audio quality, not this server. I am not exaggerating when I say this is a glorified hard drive. The 0s and 1s are the same on this device and the device that receives the music file. This is pure bullshit and marketing.
Audiophiles are hilarious. They're like the electronic equipment version of wine-tasters.
At least they're consistent in their insanity-- when I saw the wood in the case I knew it was a bullshit audio thing.
Am audiophile and even I can tell this is plainly batshit (not to mention anyone sensible would be using an external DAC anyway, that's the only part that actually matters other than how you power that device, since PC USB power can be pretty noisy even today, and USB power filters for audio use are super affordable. Seriously though, I noticed less difference changing my DAC than any other component of my audio chain, going from a Focusrite 2i2 to a Schiit Jotunheim II with their "industry standard" DAC option (They offer another one thats $100 more but everyone recommended against it). The biggest difference you can get in terms of audio quality is always going to be the speakers and the amp themselves, everything else is mostly either meant to be signal transparent, or is meant to do highly accurate changes to the audio like my DSP does for parametric EQ, phase delay between my subs and speakers, and crossover curves. So long as you are using a high quality DPS though they basically all sound like nothing to me, which is kind of the whole point IMO. I can hear a bigger difference between different power tubes for my amp than I can between different brands of DSPs lol. Don't get me started on cables as well, you can make high quality cables at home using Canare twisted pair audio cable (either XLR or dual 14/2 power cables), for like 1/10th or less the cost of most of the snake oil stuff out there like audioquest or even more expensive. Yea, when you're spending $300k on your speakers, spending 10k on cables doesn't seem like a big deal, but it's still fucking stupid IMO and I would never do it, especially having had the pleasure of getting to test some of those cables. In a blind test they all thought my homebrew cables sounded best, which makes sense, because unlike whatever they were using, twisted pairs actually offer some benefit for noise rejection, hence why we use them in USB and ethernet cables as well. That's not just snake oil, and even on a balanced cable the difference is measurable on an oscilloscope if you take the time to test it. Seriously though, the only part that you should be focusing heavily on for good sound, are the parts that vibrate, and the parts that power that vibration. Everything else should be secondary as long as you have a good sounding source and proper .wav or .flac files to work with
Ditto. I wrote in my comment guess: Only an audiophile would pay that much money for that kind of bling.
@@TheOriginalFaxon And accoustics! I always laugh when I see some super high end audiophile setup only for it to be placed in a living room designed to look good rather than sound good.
@@stragulus Yea I mean you work with what you've got for sure, but when you obviously made aesthetic choices over acoustic choices, big oof. Sometimes you just don't have enough space to really do what you want though, so you just gotta treat the hell out of it (if you can afford it), and otherwise DSP for days, which is what I ended up doing. I'm using an Ashly Protea 24.24m NE processor, which is a pro level DSP meant for running high end concert systems like Danley Sound, Funktion One/Turbosound, Hennessey, etc..... Basically the concert versions of the high end stereos people use at home. I have a Turbosound/Funktion system (Floodlights) and I have honestly found that most "audiophile" DSPs meant for consumer use just are not as feature rich, and most of them are overpriced for the sound quality they offer. It also lets me switch between amp and speaker pairings at the touch of a button, all seamlessly gain staged and crossed over to my dedicated subs. I ultimately put like half my total budget into my amp though, by starting with a 1956 vintage Dynaco ST-70 in need of restoration, and dumping in a full new set of sockets, new tubes, and a new updated driver board that takes tubes which are both better sounding, and currently manufactured. Been in a bit of a pinch though for tube supply since Putler decided to get cocky, since a huge amount of the high end tube supply was manufactured in Russia still. Fortunately China and Slovakia are both also tube exporters, but it's made me a little nervous, so I've been hunting down deals on tubes while they are still around before prices rise above my comfort zone. Guess I won't be getting the matching high end Russian driver tubes I wanted, for my current set of power tubes, though I was able to source some Soviet NOS tubes from the same plant which will probably perform almost as good
Wines at least have obvious differences.
This NAS will magically enhance the files you downloaded from a raid drive in an extremely loud data center full of everything they claim they fixed... Impressive!
Remember Audiophiles think you need special low oxygen copper wires to connect speakers. They are the ones using special pens to put a black line round the edge of CDs to improve sound quality. No expense is spared if it might help sound quality.
As someone looking to build a custom NAS from himself, I never thought going for dual xeons and wood with a custom power supply. Maybe that was my mistake...
You play games?
are you any creative?
Why you need this mad Dawid??????
Definitely need to consider a pair of xeons. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Dawid & Sokar you are limiting yourselves, you need Dual EPYC
Um, no, not using that WASN'T a mistake! 🥳
I am an audiophile and pretty much their target audience except I really know my stuff when it comes to electronics.
My personal NAS and home server, that also functions as my media server, has two Xeons in it. I've bought a used Dell R710 from a company when they switched out their old servers for new ones. I paid 200€ for that and am now currently awaiting parts to build a new server myself as a replacement, since the dual Xeons just draw too much electricity. The new one will have a 10700, 16GB CL16 DDR4 RAM, 2.5 Gbps Ethernet and 34TB of usable storage capacity and additional 500GB cache, plus system wide parity.
Not counting the storage the whole build is 750€ and I promise you, it's the exact same audio quality as this thing plus I can watch all other types of media and have my home automation goning through it. Not even mentioning it's NAS capabilities and full on Docker support.
This product is nothing but a scam.
Judging from the capacitor cluster and that massive transformer, I would guess it's a power supply for a railgun.
you never know it could be and 2000 euro's to cut a hole into the backplate for the spidif port just get a drill🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its a linear PSU. It maybe useful on some devices.
Its heavy, inefficient and hot. Less than useless on any PC. They stopped using them in the 70s...
Ya know 80 plus? Those things are more like 40 plus (no joking).
I would love to see you build a budget version of this!
It's called a Raspberry pi
The SECOND I saw those big caps and the wood I KNEW it was to do with audiophile stuff but did not think it was a simple NAS.
The only thing I could think was audiophile. But thought even audiophiles wouldn't pay $25000 for half an MP3 player.
It's a homeopathic music system.
You have not seen the he-1 then
It is a NAS using a Windows 10 iOT build from 2018 (Enterprise LTSC based on Windows 10 1809 from September 2018, which was superseded last Fall by a Windows 10 LTSC based on 10 20H2… I like how they charge that much for a ASUS Hyper m.2 x16
+Mark Boz, writes _"But thought even audiophiles wouldn't pay $25000 for half an MP3 player."_
Audiophiles will pay that much for patch cables…
did you see the price for directional audio cables? Audiophiles will pay that
"Homeopathic music system" is my quote of the week.
OMG I saw these guys at CES the other year and man, their marketing is _very_ good especially on people who has no idea how a computer works.
Oh that’s so interesting that you got to see them perform in the wild!
@@AnnaDoes "Audiophile hardware salesmen in the wild, tonight at 9:30 on Animal Planet."
Can you please continue do episodes like this. Audiophiles are just so hilarious.
Don't forget to pair it with some premium audiophile rocks for the best sound fidelity.
Dawid: "You Will NEVER Guess What This $25,000 Computer Is For"
Me: "Porn. The answer is always porn."
Audiophile porn, for sure
@RandomMatrix she's a keeper dude for sure
Hahahahahaha
😂
It would serve porn very fast
Ooh, one of these audiophile things? Been curious about these for a while! There are audiophile sata cables, look it up they're like $400 lol
They carry the 1's and 0's extra good
@@reginalb124 Best sounding bytes I've ever heard.
Dawid should do a whole series on audiophile snake oil products. That shit gets insane.
Some time ago on an audiophile Facebook group I found a discussion where people boiled cables in boiling water to make them sound better and check which cooking pots and water filters gave them the best results lol
That is ridiculous, glad I haven't heard of such bullshit until now.
I immediately knew this was some audiophile trap when I saw that miriad of pointless giant caps, surely my ones and zeroes will be masterfully delivered with that thing
Almost no one throws money away like audiophiles. The second I saw the bank of capacitors, I knew it was for minimizing noise and it was an audio system. BTW, I interpreted the RAID comment as that it does not improve or degrade the audio quality, so by leaving it out, they saved you a couple thousand Euros. That was nice of them.
This is not for audiophiles. This is for folks that have so much money they could play one song on it, then throw it in the thrash and take a fresh one and not notice it on their bank account. Bet you will find this 0n 600.000.000$ yachts all the time, they don't care, they have another yacht following close with a Heli-pad so as it does not spoil their view.
the marketing is pure gold. "selected the capacitors by ear", how do we know their ear is top notch. Again, non measurable. This company needs to tank and go under. No need for BS marketing.
I hope they sell thousands of them. The people who pay these prices deserve it. Sensible audiophiles (who just like good music that sounds good) will buy something that makes sense. Ripping off snobs who can afford it kinda makes me feel warm inside.
@@archgirl i see your point here and like it. "screw the snobs". it however, makes the owner of Tako richer and will be bolder next time.
One Apple (tactics and like) company is enough for this world.
"I'm a bit of an expert at detecting bullshit marketing" - Dawid for Prime Minister 2023
i was about to think of something witty to say in response to this but as i thought about our Canadian political situation i was overwhelmed by sadness and that was that. just have a thumbs up instead.
We need to get dankpods to react to this monstrosity of a computer. On the side though, I doubt anyone will buy this at this pricing and if they do they deserved to get laughed at
Remember those russian oligarchs that are getting their yachts confiscated? Guess what they have for sound systems. This kind of stuff. They do not care what this costs, they could use them like you use a match, to play one song then throw it away and take another one, their bank account would never notice. So no, they are laughing at us.
I can see hear him talking about the ULTIMATE NUGGET now lol
Funnily enough, my first guess was music production. The Xeons (really only need one though lol), large number of RAM slots, lack of GPU, and the passive cooling would all actually be great for that. DAWs tend to rely on good single threaded CPU performance for playback with less latency and RAM capacity for using various plugins in large sessions.
And have you read the manual for that thing ? There is some gold as well, like: "There are many USB cables, each with their own sonic signature. Taiko does not recommend any particular
cable, but they all have their characteristic sound." 😂
"Installation of any additional piece of software is quite likely to
audibly degrade the sound quality by making demands on the
Windows task scheduler and disrupt the carefully optimized
allocation of Roon and JPlay processes to the cores of the two
CPU’s." I mean.. What the actual hell ?
This cant be real?!😂😂😂
I prefer braided ones, for that vintage warmth.
I will at least give them that USB cables can be weird and finnicky. Try to find shielded ones if you're planning to use a USB cable for audio stuff over a span of, like, 10M. It's largely due to the stupidly tiny gauge of wire causing attenuation, so signal integrity can sometimes get iffy if you're running it around some other electronics.
For clarification, I mean that the wire's gauge is a large number, like 30, and that the wire's diameter is incredibly small. Wire gauge is a stupid measurement system that operates inverse to the common logic where 00 is, like, .364" and 30 is something closer to .01". Insanity, I tell you.
@@mndlessdrwer Well, maybe you shouldn't use USB cables for something they are not supposed to be used for. I'm not sure what are you complaining about ? Maximum length of USB cable is about 5m (16ft) for USB 2.0 according to the specs. And it does not matter what you use them for. It carries digital signal, it has nothing to do with audio.
Just for clarification: The Roon Server itself does not have a user interface. It may have a administrative web-interface but that's it. To be able to use Roon (fill it with music, tell it where the music is, play music, selecting where to play music, etc.) you have to use a client software, like an App on your iPad or Android phone or Windows Computer or Mac.
And using that client software (with that fancy graphical interface) does (for obvious reasons) NOT affect the CPU in the Roon server at all. It only affects the CPU in your client (iPad, Phone, Computer).
The ONLY time you'd need two 10-core Xeons is when you add a massive amount of music and tell Roon to "background analyze" it at the fastest speed and also want to start playing the music right away. However, even with a 4-core i3-7100 you get a few songs per second analyzed so it doesn't make much sense.
Thanks for that bit of clarification. So their dual Xeon explanation is even more ridiculous than I originally realised. 😂
Dawid, just a superb video. Love it. Love audiophile speak - so much comic potential.
This is my new official favorite video of yours (thus far), Dawid! Scathing riffs on alleged audiophile super hardware is my jam, man. Cheers! 🍻
I knew it was audio-related the second I saw it. Audio gear just has a "vibe" that stands out. Same with the fin arrays. It was, however, the custom power supply with wood accents that sealed the deal. I finally settled on it being a studio digital multi-track storage deck of some kind. Thanks for the heads up. The shams are everywhere.
I had it down as an audio mastering system due to the high core count, at least that would have made some sense! 😂😂
@@patrickrennick4723 Haha!! Exactly. That would make more sense.
@@patrickrennick4723 Indeed! 😸
I wonder if the company has amplifiers etc. in the same styling, so you can stack this with the rest and it won't look out of place. However having the NAS in the audio rack seems stupid to me. Although if you place this with all your network gear, then you kind of negate all the low noise etc attributes it has.
@@patrickrennick4723 Even Mastering Engineers aren't as spocked out as Audiophiles.. I mean, yeah they have $$$ gears, but they actually do something..
Looking at the bank of capacitors, I was sure at the start this would be some audiophile stuff where they add loads of capacitors to everything to improve the audio quality. The price is indeed too high, but people will buy it.
Some people
Yeah the power supply was a strong hint at it being Hifi related. 😁
if the thing did some of the sound output at least, but it just streams ones and zeros to the DAC, I hadn't seen something this ridiculous in a while
@@orti1283I was expecting to do something analogic for the style of device. At least it would make sense...
Your videos are so great ... best way to start my Saturdays Coffee, and Dawid.
Thank you for another great video. I almost guessed what it was seeing all the huge capacitors once you opened it up. I guessed audio amplifier server. It’s amazing what people will pay big money for.
Digital audio is all digital until the DAC, the data is passed around as an exact copy. The DAC is the only thing that can have an affect on the audio (and any subsequent analogue pathways).
Anything in to the dac can bring noise that can be passed through but a good dac shoud be decoupled or filterd to the point passed pasibo anyway. Although a verry abnormally shitty powersupply can bring issues but we will ignore that.
@@andrewmcewan9145 Well but its still a prosumer grade Mainboard they use. So if that thing is shitty, all the fuzzy stuff won't matter. It won't get the 1 and 0 out better than any piece of hardware you get from ebay
@@ms1595 i was just talking about dacs in general.
I dont beleve this specific peice of equipment actually does anything to help inprove audio quality in its intended use.
@@andrewmcewan9145 spidif is optical. there should be no electrical noise from the cable.
yeah exactly, you could do this on a 200 dollar computer and it would sound exactly the same
I stumbled across one of these a little while ago and was like, "Are you kidding me?" My daily driver outclasses it in storage and if I wanted a home theater setup, I can do better for waaaaaaaay cheaper. I got older hardware that'd serve the purpose of this stupid overpriced thing just fine sitting in my garage.
This is the Donald Trump of Audio Equipment.. "These are the best 1's and 0's you will ever see, in fact, only I can make better 1's and 0's than this machine. They are the absolutely greatest 1's and 0's.. The world has never seen such great numbers"
@@GizmosWorkshop it will all sound fantastic, so fantastic!
i have a question.sometimes when im on youtube im commenting on something and hit a key i dunno what key its always accidental and it drops me back to desktop and shuts youtube off it started in windows 10 and i have 11 now and it still does it.10900k 3080ftw 32 meg of ram.i tryed 3 different keyboards ect same thing
Soon as I spotted the toroid and massive smoothing caps it was pretty obvious this was gonna be audio related. I built a streaming/storage device from an old Lenovo thinkcentre (pentium, 8gb ram + HDD from the parts box) for about £50. Hooked up to a reasonable DAC it does everything this monstrosity does and more. Audiophiles can be a strange bunch.
Never go onto an audiophile forum and mention HiFi cables being BS. It's likely to start a war.
High end audio is always coocoo. I once met a guy whose house existed solely as a place to store his stereo. It had speakers, $50,000 a piece resting in sand boxes. The record player needle was over a $1000. He refused to own a refrigerator because when the compressor kicked on, there was too much noise in the electricity. There was more but I can't remember.
That may seem extreme, but if he wasn't doing that he would probably be buffalo bill style serial killer.
I'm surprised he didn't get a second circuit installed in his house lol
There's a guy who literally dedicated his life to building the perfect stereo system, and the house around it to suit. In the documentary he's showing someone around it and there really was no expense spared. Also a huge, unfathomable collection of vinyl etc. Then - it transpires that - although it had been finished for some time he had NEVER ACTUALLY LISTENED TO IT. It's an illness I tell you. I wonder if he has to this day or if he was so afraid it might not actually be good enough to justify spending his entire life on, he just would rather not know how it sounds?
@@ubergeeknz sound like me and my 3d printer. ive printed upgrades, ive bought upgrades and ive spend hours calibrating and tuning. Yet the most useful thing ive printed was a lid for my tv remote... it really is a sickness. I can relate.
@@myjunkinyourtrunk1872 but did it cost 24000€
After the 3090Tie clearly destined for Linus that Dawid got by mistake he figured he'd try his luck to get a 25k system lol. Just buy one Dawid it's technically a pre-built😉👍
Haha some purchases I just won’t allow 🤣
@@AnnaDoes I was about to say. No way Anna would let that happen. 😂
Technically a Prebuilt 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant
@@AnnaDoes it's technically a pre-built so it's a business expense
I got a combination of old parts and some new (to handle all the drives) hidden in the attic. In the areas I want to stream I have a simple libreelec kodi using like 5 watts connected to my receiver, FLAC is no problem. I think I spent less than $2000 for 24 tb in raid z2
It's been running for over 5 years without a disk error now *knocks on wood*
I own one. I connected it to my antistatic reverberation unit. with my gold plated phoo phoo valves. Then into my discomnockerator valve amp. That is direct solid gold wired into a left handed scroinwrinkler. I explained I am old and hard of hearing. So the salesman said you are are just the customer I am looking for. I use mine to get the creases out of my very expensive underpants. If I sit on it. It makes my hair soft. Why have I got one. Because I am worth it. Love your channel. keep up the good work.
I have this and it was an absolute game changer. It was like the RAM modules jumped out and started playing instruments in my house.
Judging solely by the sheer amount of giant capacitors, I'm guessing this is some audiophile nonsense
They do love their huge capacitors. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I built a Raspberry pi based DAC/streamer into a 19 inch case (so it fitted in my 'rack'), there is a bit of room to spare inside - now I know what it needs, a big bank of caps - silly me for not realising.
@@paulstubbs7678 If you're using a DAC daughterboard for the Pi, then a custom DC power inverter might actually offer some benefit. It probably won't be massively noticeable, but clean power is good for DACs.
The moment I see how big the transistor is, and the fact audio port is separated from motherboard explains everything.
Still, that is hella expensive. But, consider how much people will pay for their headphones, this isn't so much of a surprise.
Is there an external diamond plated wax cylinder storage add-on for this? Or perhaps a bit fluffer/washer upgrade so your sound bits are all nice and shiny when they reach the amp?
You know Audiophiles are kind of nuts and will pay premium for anything, that supposedly has best audio. Also a fool and his money...
Audiofools are basically snob yuppies from the 1980's, buying into marketing bullshit and assuming "exclusive" (due to high cost) means better performance
I think the power supply having it's own power supply is a great detail for $24,000
as soon as i saw the passive cooling i knew: some audio stuff. plus the lack of rack mount being weird, its a studio thing for music studios.
You should put the name of this system in the title so people who are thinking about buying this will be more likely to see it. I don't know if it'll help much, because audiophiles will spend a grand on a bag of polished stones to lay over their RCA ports to, "improve the sound".
You know, I'm something of an audiophile myself. I was actually expecting production though, the big giveaway was no discrete graphics or fans. But FLAC isn't probably what someone who uses this would go for, it would be DSD. Dawid, stay away from high end audio marketing material, your eyes may roll back in your head so hard your brain might explode.
Even 1st gen FIIO portable audio players can handle DSD just fine... anyone who buys this monstrosity needs their head examined.
DSD is a total scam as well..
If you dont believe me, I have some PS Audio Power Regenerators to sell you made by a man in his 70's who cant possibly hear above 14K who swears he can hear the differences betweem DSD and hi fi PCM..
@@drdelewded I haven't personally drank the Kool aid luckily.
@@j_ferguson
I enjoy good audio.. And its my career.
I just try to avoid the term audiophile.. It has a negative connotation amongst my fellow pro audio folk.
There's a video out there, I think it was made by Last Week Tonight using a clip from when he was interviewing Trump's Press Secretary, where they have Anderson Cooper roll his eyes so hard they pop out and roll away.
The second I saw it I guessed it was something relating to music, my first guess was a recording and mixing PC for a studio, second was a music storage system, third was a DJ mixing PC for a fancy venue. I work in the music industry and they love over-the-top boujee stuff. That's why you'll see mahogany on a headphone design that's barely been changed since the 90's.
So, they found a camel, cut off the hump and sold it as a horse. Ingenious.
yep
having seen a lot of audiophile snakeoil (as audio is one of my hobbies), I immediately recognized it as some kind of audio streamer as soon as I saw the capacitors.
"I want a SPIDF port"
"2000 euros and we'll just CNC mill a hole for an already existing port that we spaced the copper IO cover out for just to make it inaccessible."
"no thanks. I'll find a way." *pulls out Dremel and removes I/O cover*
Wouldn't be surprised if they put some kind of DRM protection, so if you do that you still need some kind of code to unlock the port
@@SuperSZ
Maybe, they just block your access to the BIOS settings. While they disabled those features from there.
@@fajaradi1223 It's an off-the-shelf Asus motherboard. If they block your access to BIOS, anyone with a clue would just download the stock BIOS and reflash it.
@@wasd____ Put a stock bios on a 24K box - you heathen.
@@paulstubbs7678 I know, I know. How dare anyone unlock all the features. Obviously the people who charged 24k for a PC know what's best for you.
This is hilarious 😂😂
I stumbled up on an Audiophile M.2 SSD a week ago. Extremely expensive for low spec. 🤮🤣
Audiophiles and wine connoisseurs share that in common, the ability to believe simply burning a crap ton of money makes something better.
omg ive been looking for something like this. I need one for my downstairs bathroom and one for my Sim racing room. The sound of my V8 recordings have been sound daf and need to recalibrate it to get the best feeling of driving a car again.
2:03 Just based on that picture alone, I'm gonna guess it's an "audiophile" computer with "oxygen-free" copper and all that bullshit to "reduce jitter" when playing FLAC audio files. Power cable for plugging it into the wall socket is a $500 extra charge.
Wall Socket itself is an extra $5,000 but don't forget to get your house reconstructed because t won't be compatible with this.
Yeah I’ve seen this before. It’s badass looking for sure, but we accomplished most of what this can do by putting a NUC into a fanless case with a smaller m.2 for boot, and a 1TB SATA SSD for music storage. Obviously you can use larger drives, though this obviously can do many times more than that even if it’s not worth the price. For the hobby it goes with though? This is a fraction of what someone might spend on other components. On the higher end of mid-high end.
Certain hifi gear sellers sell complete nonsense at extreme high prices.
I actually consider myself a bit of an audiophile, and I've spent a pretty penny in my time on the bits that really count - but I laughed myself silly over this. Well I alternated between fits of giggles and dark red rage, to be honest.
@@Blitterbug Oh of course, but I've spent plenty of time at conventions and events with people who would consider this, there's plenty of grades of audiophiles. Plenty are pretty cool though, met a middle-aged mom who learned to build PCs because she wanted to play around with different sound cards for digital audio.
@@darkjohnm Yeah, very true. The weird thing is the hyperbole in their marketing is much better suited to an all-analogue audio chain. Then I *_might_* be a bit more willing to buy crap about 'capacitors selected by ear', etc... but all this box does is serve you up pure bloody binary!!! It makes me weep...
I was going to make a similar point. When the entry point for some enthusiast-grade home audio systems is six figures, a piece of equipment like this PC really isn't all that unreasonable.
In music studio you need quit system with a lot of power usually run server and production of protocols. System will run very hard when you make 48hz music for core, that iTunes shop Amazon,Google spotify
im at 2:19 , im going to guess this is for some kind of audio job. it looks like they have rediculuous amounts of filtering on the power supply, and if im not mistaken thats a transformer or amp in the front.. the wood makes me think amp. High end audio pc?
As anyone who has worked with Xeon CPU's knows, they're typically quite easy to cool. Mostly because of the massive surface area on the IHS.
Because that heat is going somewhere... You got that this is passive right? You could not do a render on this thing without it throttling.
@@kidShibuya You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I run a 12C/24T Xeon rig with a humble Cooler Master Hyper 212 cooler, and the fan never goes above 750rpm, and the temp never goes above 65c under load. And I have a friend with the same chip that uses fanless passive cooling, and his never goes above 78c under load.
@@JeffWaynee That's because Xeons are downclocked and run at lower power than consumer counterparts. It's not due to the IHS size.
With that many ran sticks, it should handle Half life 2 with ease
I guess the passive cooling is to prevent any fan noise from mixing in with the audio output. That said, I am blessed with ears that cannot discern the difference between high-end and low-end audio quality
I dont get this, as long as the digital signal/data gets to the audio digital to analog part of the whole system (which is the amp I assume), does it matter if you are storing it on this 25k thingy or a mobile phone?
The most ridiculous part about this device is the fact that it's pretty much only doing the digital part of audio handling. Which is the part that you don't actually have to worry about quality because a digital signal doesn't have degradation it either works or doesn't. The most important part of audio is the digital to analog conversion (DAC) part. Because once audio goes analog then you start having signal quality worries. But being a server it's basically just digitally moving digital files digitally without any analog to speak of so RAM and power supply capacitors mean nothing.
you're being a bit *too* nice. It isn't *pretty much* only doing the digital part. It's is *only* doing the digital part. You would get the same quality from a smartphone
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i'm really glad this has an upgrade for a SPDIF port, i need to use my gold plated TOSLINK cables
Fun fact: none of this even matters, as the actual DAC and amplification isn't even done in this system. You could literally take any semi-OK computer, hook it up to a good DAC and amplifier and get the same result for ten thousands of euros less.
"Tis Marketing Gone Mad!
Heck yeah i guessed it right. The Power Supply is just so sus that it only could be music related.
yeah as soon as i saw it was passively cooled with all those capacitors i knew. it's absolutely beautiful though.
@@SB-pf5rc Oh yes its Damm pretty and i would definitely put 1 like this in my Linux Pc
Darn it, I'm kicking myself that I only spent a few hundred on my 8TB NAS boxes to store my ripped Blu-Rays & HD Flacs a few years back, when I could have bought this beauty for the price of a family car. What a fool I've been!
damn that would buy a REALLY nice family car
@@BeetleBuns Yeah! I wouldn't trust my family with a car that nice, for sure! 🔫 👀
for your indiscretions, buy two, one for either side, that way you'll have a well balanced system.
@@paulstubbs7678 Brilliant idea! Now I feel even worse...
@@BeetleBuns Yeah, a people-carrier even.
User manual:
1. Plug in the ethernet cable and start up the system.
2. In your Desktop PC in Windows environment, Go to command prompt -> type: "net use t: \\taiko\mp3"
3. Install and open WinAmp. In the lower left, choose: "Add directory" and choose T: to fully import your music using Aricraft-Grade Extreme Bandwidths.
4. Enjoy.
17:20 The Car Chasis Had Me Bustin with Laughter😂
Me: *Sees interior shot before the reveal*
Also me: "That looks like the inside of a home audio amplifier..."
Guess I wasn't too far off. Hardcore audiophiles don't mess around when it comes to audio equipment, even if it is just a fancy server.
People with more dollars than sense.
This isn't audio equipment. It's a server. It could be serving up text files or pictures instead of audio files. There is no "audio" involved here, other than the passive cooling, which you can do for much cheaper. You can accomplish the EXACT same thing with any passively cooled PC.
@@Lobanium I mean nobody really needs a NAS that has one let alone two Xeons 10 Cores in it... As long as you are not Linus Sebastian and you are putting a skycrapers worth of NVME SSDs in it...
As soon as I saw the wood in the power supply it was like overpriced audio gear coming through.
3:25 I guess that's something for sound engineering considering the huge capacitors inside and passive cooling.
Yeah, the thing is that this makes no sense to do all that for digital file serving. If this was a DAC Amp then it makes sense. This is just an AIO storage device. The only reason I can see for fanless is so you can't hear the fan while playing tunes, but anyone with the money to spend on this is putting that device in a internal wall rack that is sound proofed anyway.
Putting on Noctua fans would be a much better solution than using so much copper.
My thoughts where that this is some audio applinance too.
Then I found out its a file server and preceded to wince in pain at the amount of bs that was entering my brain.
I mean normally audiofile gear ventures in to the relm of heresay but this is just insane.
I would have to assume that that powersupply is linearly regulated so it its also super inefficient.
So its a big expensive box that increases in expensive the more you use it compared to a normal nas.
That's some interesting rounding up on the price there
Second I seen the outside I knew it was audiophile. I would like to see them fly you over to sample it in a controlled environment then let you play with it and test motherboard audio and a quality seasonic psu to see if there is a difference to your ear or any test equipment you can take with.
There are audiophile forums that ban you if you suggest double-blind testing.
Damn that's a powerful piece of machinery...and I'm still hanging on with an old 1060.
Bro… I have a gtx650 😒😐
Be grateful guys, i’m using a gtx 740. 1060 is still remaning good for a couple years 100%.
Your 1060 beats this thing lol
What a hardship I'm using onboard Vega graphics
Hum..... It doesn't have a graphic card and it doesn't have good cooling. How is it better than a 1060?
If you count the ramchips you can see that it dosen't have ecc memory
I mean it would be an even dumber (as LR and Reg-ECC Dimms are widely available) config but Xeons could run with ECC-UDIMMS as well those look similar to UDimms as the additional chip that these not even got, is the Register…
You are totally correct! I am not an audiophile either but I have a friend that is. It is not much in their marketing that is sane. The only thing I am impressed by is the chassi. And as you point out with the lack of rack mouinting. It is really weird they don't have a version with rack mounting since it is pretty common for audiophiles.
All i can hear is patrick bateman reading the promo material to me as he lays the finance section on the floor...
I guessed something audiophile related purely based off the cost lol, those people (and I say that as someone who would like to be one but can't afford it) spend silly money for shiny things!
Reminds me of people who spend a LOT of money on stuff like Watches that cost tens of thousands of dollars. 99% of what it does can be done by something that costs 99% less but that 1% is what makes it extremely expensive.
A Galaxy S10 from years ago can do nearly everything the $1,000 Galaxy S22 Ultra 5G can do that came out a few weeks ago but the S10 costs much less now, but because the S22 Ultra looks nicer, people will buy that instead.
i for my part like it when rich people get conned out of their money, so kudos to them
I think you could down spec a little… 2 Xeons? Yeah we go 12th gen 4threads, there is money to be made… 🙈.
Don’t complain I put a Z690 and a Pentium G Alder Lake together😁
It's the speaker cable of computers. Because it's for audio, it costs 10x more than it should, and doesn't work better in a blind test.
This company is genius, they built a stupidly over the top NAS then charge an utterly ridiculous amount of money knowing that 'audiophiles' with more money than brain cells will buy it and proudly claim that they have the best.
Maybe I should get a 64 core processor (didn't you know that more processors is actually bad?), a bunch of 2GB ram modules, a buttload of capacitors (that were licked to make sure they were perfect) and like 10TB of SSDs and charge $40,000. For an extra $2,000 I can add rubber feet to the case so there is less vibration.