Why Does No One Want Kevin Durant?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2022
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It’s been about two weeks since Kevin Durant requested a trade out of Brooklyn but so far talks haven’t been aggressive. This is a look at why no one seems to want KD despite his elite talent.
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I don’t really think that the Nets are willing to trade KD with four years left on his contract unless they get a young star and four plus picks. Nobody wants to trade a young all star and that many picks for an aging player.
they would've traded him by now if they still had their picks
I agree. Brooklyn’s afraid of being bad because there’s no reward for them if they are at the bottom of the league, which the Nets probably will be if they do trade KD.
NETS want to trade KD. It's just that the Nets wants to rub on KDs face that no one wants him.
@@the_average_fan lmao they’re trash with kd rn 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🥲🥲🥲
But it's even worse, what the Nets have been asking for...
According to rumors, and the wisdom of the crowds, they were asking the Warriors for Wiggins, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, and Poole...plus 3 to 4 first round picks.
For those paying attention, that is a number one pick, a number two, a number seven, a number 14 for 28, plus the Warriors' draft capital for the next four seasons.
Designated rookie considerations aside I would hesitate to trade Wiggins, Poole, and a couple of pics for an injury prone 33 year old KD. I'm not saying he's not great, but if we lose a third of our team, including our starting small forward, our sixth man, our most NBA ready young player in moody, and two potential future superstars, we are giving up the future of the team for a chance at one or two more Larry O'Brien's. And losing that much of the team makes it a fairly chancy chance in my opinion... Hell, people thought that the 2018 squad was top heavy.. this would be like four max contracts, a mid-level exception, and veteran minimums. No thank you, not even for KD in his prime
It isn't that he isn't worth it - nobody wants to end up like the Knicks after the Carmelo Anthony trade. You're going to have to gut your team to get KD - then you'll be left with KD and scraps. Even teams that are contending for the championship will be left gutted.
Exactly. And Knicks could have just waited and signed him as a free agent and kept the players.
Perfectly said
Melo was a very good player,but KD is diferrent. He's one the best ever. i mean Kd got 6 all nba first,but Melo only 2 second team.
@@justinmartin1831 and they could have signed him for less.
The play they wanted was to get lebron to play with carmelo, that backfired when lebron long had other plans
That's what isn't worth it means genius.
“young kyrie went to the celtics for 2 bad players and a pick” just completely ignoring Isaiah thomas who was 4th in mvp voting the prior year 💀
Facts a fact. As good Isaiah was all experts knew his hips injury was worrisome and ultimately turned out bad
where's he been since lol
Fr Casey is Monday morning quarterbacking with that take
@@colem2345 he came off a season averaging 28 kyrie wanted out and the celtics at the time were the only ones who knew how bad his injury was then he struggled with that injury and was then out of the league 3 years later
yeah he said "It reminds me of when Shaq got traded to the heat and the lakers wanted Dwayne Wade in 2004" my guy was probably 2 years old at this time on gawd.
He’ll be 34 when the season starts. Nets are acting like he’s 24. Their asking price is way too high. They need to either ask for something more realistic or prepare to start the season with a grumpy KD.
Facts bro.
Maybe they think he will play into his 40s. I mean, Tim Duncan played until he was early 40s, why not KD?
@@thevoicestoldmetoagain4627 I’m going to assume you aren’t actually making that argument from a serious perspective.
I really like the 3 team trade with nuggets, spurs, and nets. Spurs really have to believe they can turn things around with Ben. But they have great shooting coaches so 🤷🏼♂️
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You guys think Pop would tolerate Simmons? I dont.
the spurs are tanking for wembanyama
@@nojumper01 Then Simmons is a great fit.
I can't picture Pop and the Spurs trying to deal with Ben Simmons after the ordeal that they went through with Kawhi.
The jimmy trade would backfire so badly, because he'll be insanely pissed off from the drama and do the practice thing all over again.
Yeah Simmons and Kyrie would both have to go for players with heart that try.
Jimmy might actually murder both Kyrie and Ben Simmons ,first day.
Teams want KD. Teams just want Nets to lower there asking price . The Nets should ask for the farm for KD. Players like Kevin Durant don't become available all the time. If they can't find a trade to there liking . They should run it back . With the addictions of Tj Warren and Royce O'Neale . Two good players .
Honestly, the past few years it feels like KD himself has been constantly available
Teams really do want him, but the problem is KD only wants to be traded to a couple of them.
I’m not sure that many teams would, even if the asking price was more realistic.
They should run it back would be the best scenario for the Nets and Durant.
I agree. Nets have to come down to earth. If they want to trade KD. I kinda feel they actually don't want.
@@atsk3281 why would they want to though.
Granted Kyrie and Ben are slightly bigger dramas than Durant himself (and mental cases), but them plus Warren, Harris, Curry, O’Neale, Mills (a few in a contract year) - they have a pretty solid team on paper.
Likewise why would Durant really want a trade - even if the Nets get more realistic in their demands chances are the Nets are moving the better player, with 4 years left on his contract. So that team is going to have to give up a package centred on a really nice player or a bunch of great/great potential players in return - either way they would be losing their depth.
Given the complications likely surrounding any trade it’ll take some time and most of the vets and quality young players will have signed contracts - so filling out a roster with lower classes players on league minimum contracts.
Personally, I’m not convinced that the Suns less Ayton (Indiana?), Bridges, Johnson and maybe Shamet (to match salary) is better than what he is leaving with the Nets.
The Heat would likely need to trade everyone but Bam, Lowry and Butler to meet Salary. Not sure I would be comfortable relying on league minimums for injury insurances etc. with that group of players.
Staying in Brooklyn makes the most sense for Brooklyn and KD in my opinion.
That said if he were traded to the Kings, maybe he gets them to the playoffs for the first time in however many years and gets the recognition for being ending their drought.
I think the main reason is that kd asked for a trade with 4 years left on his contract. Teams don't want to gut their team for kd because what happens if kd ask for another trade cause he ain't happy where he got traded. Your taking that chance and some teams don't want to do that.
as always great video ,Casey
I don’t think they would trade Jimmy. He’s pretty much the perfect leader for that team and meshes perfectly with their culture.
He would be the leader KD needs so he can just play basketball
I wouldn’t do Jimmy for KD 1 for 1
Love the trades ,love the video 👍👍🔥🔥🔥
Love the videos
The historical context is very important to keep in perspective when Superstars demand a trade. Historically, teams will not get back equal value for MVP type caliber players... UNLESS you're the Rockets in the James Harden trade. Way to go Houston!
KD's the Will Smith of basketball. Enough said
Why would the Spurs do the 3 team trade for Simmons? They’re trying to gut their roster, not add max players who can’t shoot.
Ben Simmons brings in more trouble off the court too. Pop not going to deal with that.
As a longtime Spurs fan, man I hate this trade scenario lol. I don’t want Simmons
Ben Simmons to the spurs will be straight I think that's a good fit for pop will get dude right
"I know people think AD is made out of glass, and he is..." Hysterical! The Nets need to realize that teams aren't going to gut their present AND future teams for KD. They might get a solid player or two and a bunch of picks, but they aren't going to get ALL of a teams best assets.
This was an incredible breakdown of what should be expected and what they're asking. Loved the 04 Shaq trade here too. That was a terrible haul lol. Need to lower the price.
Good points made
Oshit I’m the first comment lit!!! Best Sports TH-camr rite now
huge nuggs fan love the trade! still waiting on a nuggets off season video
IMO it is in the Nets best interest to run it back with the same core guys they ended last season with.
I believe it is also in KD’s best interest to run it back. Any team that trades for him is going to lose its supporting/bigger star and depth based on why the Nets are seeking.
Additionally for Kyrie it would be better than Durant stays.
A lineup of kyrie, Seth curry, TJ warren, Durant and Ben Simmons l. With patty Mills, cam thomas, Royce O'Neil, Kessler Edwards and claxton of the bench. The problem is too many unknowns kyrie is still not vaccinated and pandemic is still ongoing god forbid another wave or variant hits. Ben Simmons is in arbitration and sits out for mental health. Durant and patty will be 34 by season start and the decline of their game will start . Three of the guys on the roster missed the previous season in Simmons, warren and Harris. A lot of guys from previous season are gone Drummond, Blake, Aldridge, Dragic and Bruce brown.
@@warsameabdinur314 - I am not saying that the team/season won’t be riddled with drama. Just acknowledging that any team that trades for Durant won’t be as deep as the Nets currently are with him.
I don’t think being 34 will have a massive impact on Durant or Mills roles/skill.
Losing Drummond, Griffin and to a lesser extent Aldridge isn’t a massive impact - those guys barely played and are shells of their former selves anyway.
Brown and Dragic are bigger losses, but I feel like Brown’s role was likely to diminish with new/returning players.
Warren and Harris are big adds despite sitting out last season, both should be playing with a chip on the shoulder trying to prove their value for contract or trade when it eventually gets blown up. Simmons even more so.
And who knows Nash might become competent this season.
@@warsameabdinur314 This all started with a bad James Harden trade. Same with the Lakers bad trade. If they both didn’t blow it, this coming seasons teams be awesome.
As a Heat fan I’d love to trade Jimmy for Kd, but honestly I want to see us try to win with Jimmy. He’s given everything he has to the franchise. I respect that.
fuck that Jimmy is the only reason Miami been good. Unload Lowry ass if anything
its like nets asking for luka from mavericks it aint happening
KD is thin skinned. He will start grumbling if he doesn’t think the Heat are good enough to win it all. Jimmy Butler is a fighter. He won't quit.
@Elias Lee I'm a Houston Rockets fan and a big fan of Jimmy Butler. He is the leader of the Miami Heat. He has given his heart and soul to the team. KD is obviously more talented . He's thin skinned and isn't a leader.
@Elias Lee Thank you, I appreciate your kind comments.
The NBA FA market is like the housing market in my area. House value estimates on Zillow shot up after someone bought for way more than they should have. Then nobody on my block could sell for the rest of the summer. Once Sellers have a certain value in their heads it really hard to come back to reality.
If the Nuggets would part ways with anyone for Durant it would be MPJ, not Murray. Losing Murray would be bad as Monte Morris (last season's starting PG) was traded to Washington 2 weeks ago and Porter and Durant play the same position.
I can't imagine Durant wanting to play for a team where he wouldn't be the #1 player on the roster. He will always play second fiddle to Jokic in Denver.
No. Jokic will be the main playmaker while KD will be the main scorer and Jamal will play second fiddle at both. Jamal would be the secondary playmaker AND secondary scorer (maybe tertiary depending on how well he plays when he comes back and how much Jokic decides to score vs playmake with Durant on the team). I think the Suns and Nuggets are his two best options. I mean the Nuggets did so well even without Murray and MPJ solely relying on Jokic. I think they could do amazing things if KD went there. Same with Phoenix. If Chris Paul can accept that his biggest value at his age is his playmaking leadership and IQ. Don’t forget about scoring but it shouldn’t be a priority.
0:58, he went for IT, who was a wildcard given the injury but nevertheless an all NBA player, Jae Crowder, a solid defender and starting caliber player, Ante Zizic(who was mid) and the pick ended up being Sexton, so I would say it wasn’t as bad as “2 Bad players and a pick”
Very true.
Did he just say Isaiah Thomas was a “BAD” player?? Did he just start watching basketball?
Lol crazy 😅
Ok...injured and never good again.
@@AMHoops the year before Isaiah was top 5 in league mvp voting, I don’t think anyone knew at the time that the hip injury would be career altering
@@AMHoops but nets want 2 all stars, a young up and coming all star and 4 unprotected picks and 3 swaps for kd after what utah got for gobert. they standing firm on that.
This great content!!!!!!! funny how TH-cam is better ESPN
Having an injury-prone great player on your team is like having a high-performance vehicle you know will break down at some point.
He's old. He's been seriously injured
The thing is that Teams want him but the price is steep considering KD's history and tge teams position. Teams dont want to give up their future for KD when hes not garunteed to bring them to the finals unless the team had so many extra assets to surround KD with a descent team.
The Celtics lowkey showed that the Hero ball of KD and Kyrie wouldnt be enough to overcome the depth of a whole team. So if a team trades too much, they may not even have enough to win at those levels
legit tho i do really think that after the Myles Turner-Deandre Ayton does happen, KD and Kyrie trades will really happen soon for sure
2:42 wow 😂
I think the GM’s around the league collude amongst each other so things work the way they want to but instead of players getting what they want
In the Nuggets deal, where is the first-round pick from the Hornets coming from? What do the Hornets get in this deal? Or was this a typo? Was that supposed to be a Spurs 1R pick?
"The Nets need someone else's future because their future belongs to Houston." - that's about the best way to say it...nice.
Nice.
In my opinion, he’s a ring chaser.
jimmy with simmons ? you wildin casey
I'm pretty sure the Nets are willing to trade away Simmons if it means they can acquire someone who's on a designated rookie extension. Otherwise, they can't get a lot of the players they would want to trade for.
Casey: "These teams wouldn't trade any of these young players"
Also Casey: includes Barnes in his Toronto trade for KD
Why does the media want to steal Scotty Barnes from Toronto so bad? Almost everyone included him in their trade talk, no one said anything about Mobley or Cunningham.
@@shadow_realm47 idk. As a Raps fan I hope they don't because he was incredible for us last season. But everyone seems to want him gone. I'd rather have Barnes on the squad than KD
@@hib6076 which side of Raps media you watching? Cause NO-ONE would trade Barnes, we love him so much, he just fits in with our city
@@juanteranlopez4900 just an FYI, it was the other guy who said that Raps media were saying to trade Scottie, not me. I was saying that that kind of speculation in the media about getting rid of Barnes is stupid and therefore agreeing with what you've just said
I don’t know why but it’s so funny you put Payton Pritchard D’ing up KD.
The Shaq deal that included 1st round, who did that become?
Thank u
This is the clapback of players asking for trades with their deal still having alot of money n years leftover.The thing is the bigger the deal the harder it is to trade.The team receiving the big contract star player has to give up alotta players n draft picks to come anywhere close to reaching the star's value where if the player was on an expiring one yr deal it wouldn't be as costly plus with the contracts so big it really limits the suitors especially contender teams so while players think they getting over on the system they making things harder for themselves n the team they wanna play for
Let’s go
Nets want to trade KD no doubt. However, with the price tag and baggage that comes along (4 years contract, 194m 34 yrs old, history of injury), nobody wants to gamble. Lets understand that Nets also invest in KD (Nets paid for a full season of recovery from his Achilles injury) and want to recuperate that in some way. Good luck to future NBA stars after 2024 CBA.
Given Durants age, drama, injury history - I’m not sure I would trade for many of those young guys (none first group, maybe 2-3 second group), especially when factoring in the time lines of the remaining players they have /would keep.
You forgot to add poor performance
A.M Hoops the GOAT for putting Payton Pritchard into the thumbnail
Teams do want kevin Durant they don’t want Durant if there losing all the depth on there team. Making it not logical to go for him
Good comparison to the Shaq trade
After the Myles-Ayton trade goes down, I think KD and Kyrie trades will happen really soon
NOPE
It's going to be Paul and Ayton with a pick or two for KD and Kyrie. Then they will screw up Phx royally.
@@M3RRIH3W13 Loll 37year Paul and Ayton for KD and Kyrie ahahahaha Maybe Paul and Ayton have better chance to win??
@@dragondragon5437 It sounds that way, doesn't it? Kyrie and KD were drama queens. I'm a NYer and was excited for the Nets to win the championship and easily so. It was an issue after issue.
@@dragondragon5437 Suns are keeping Paul and Booker, as they are the specific players KD wants to play with.
1:29 oh I don't know... maybe it's because Simmons didn't even bother to show up for at least 1 playoff game 🙄🤦🏻♂️
The way I see it is teams want him but the nets don't want to move him
"Maybe not anymore" LMAOOOOO
Man i just find it so crazy that Brooklyn hasnt put much together recently.
Idk the roster now but i know they had, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving James Harden, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan.
Thought they were turning into a real strong superteam and yet they seem to not be able to get it together.
I saw a video here on TH-cam talking about trading him here to the Rockets for our assets.😂 We good. Rafael Stone finessed that team.
Kat and 4 picks is reasonable but AE as well is insane.
Yo what do you think about kd to the bulls for demar and coby white and a frist
No
After a sign and trade for Turner the Suns then have CP3/Booker/Crowder/Durant/Turner
Nets: Curry/Bridges/C.Johnson/Saric/Poetl/1sts& trade for Mitchell?
I would not sleep on KD's abillity ... age is a freakin number
He definitely got Isaiah Thomas fucked up. No one knew that his injury was gonna do him like that so he wasn’t considered a bad player at the time.
I usually agree with your bids but idk about this one this is tricky
This vid I’d cap!!!
KD is still good but I would never turn down ant-man and picks for kd
that nuggets spurs 3 way trade is so scary if jokic and kd on the same team it is wraps no matter who is on their bench
Jimmy and Ben were together at Philly, and we all remember how that went down. No way that trade will happen, unless Ben gets moved.
I like the 3 Team Trade with denver and the spurs
Bro I'm not a heat fan but im sure Heat not giving up on Jimmy Butler
they love him too much
I think the Nets are requesting too much from teams. the nets are expecting teams to gut there whole roster and future for KD, when In reality he only has a around a few years to win another championship
it's simple. Despite his past accomplishments, he's a 34 year old with some injury history and could be declining hard soon. Teams rightfully don't want to trade their entire future for maybe one more good year of KD before falling to nothing.
You can stoll get 3 to 4 years out of him I don't think he will decline soon I mean ppl think that because of the Boston series
@@chrischarles5982 3 years is like a best case scenario. Most likely 1-2. Not worth trading your future to maybe make the second round. The only way to justify this trade is if the team is an actual contender.
@@redlion45 kd game is predicated on finesse he never was this explosive athlete with his height and shooting he still have at least 3 to 4 years I don't see him dropping off in 1 to 2 years! I get the young talent but I'll give up at least 1 not 2 talents for kd you still need to have a team once he is traded that is the whole problem! Brooklyn is asking for to much and belive me teams want him Even at 34 years old just not tryna gut thier team in the process! You will never get equal value back on a superstar player them draft picks ain't promised to bread a star eithier!!
@@chrischarles5982 that's still absolutely an idiotic move. KD played 90 games combined the past 2 seasons. Can't stay healthy, and yes, well into his 30s. You have to be REALLY optimistic to think he'll be elite for 3 more years. And again, draft picks "not a guaranteed star", no but the only way to build a championship contender is through the draft and that's a proven fact. The nets followed that same logic when they traded for Garnett. They traded the pick that became Jayson Tatum. You'd have to be out of your mind to give up all that for an aging player. The name of the game is to win titles, not make round 2.
@@redlion45 injuries happen he only played 90 games due to injury not like kyrie! But if you telling me I can get butler bam and kd on the same team I'm making that deal! Or booker and Paul and kd it's a deal I'll give up Jalen brown for kd only if I can keep smart! Yes I know brown is younger but I'm getting 29.0 ppg in his return for the next 3 years! The hell with them picks for now teams wanna win now! Anybody can get injured and derail a season! It's a gamble in every sport !
You have to look at the restricted free agents that still haven't signed yet to get an idea of a potential Durant package. Two guys of consideration are DeAndre Ayton and Colin Sexton. The package below would be worth consideration for the Nets, Lakers, and Cavaliers going forward and cannot be done until August 1st due to a recent draft pick signing. LAL would have a Big 3 with Durant, Irving, Davis. CLE would have a big 4 with Garland, Allen, Mobley, and LeBron. BKN would get a plethora of picks and solid rotational players plus cap space going forward.
LAL Receives:
From BKN:
Kevin Durant
Kyrie Irving
CLE Receives:
From LAL:
Lebron James
BKN Receives:
From CLE:
Colin Sexton
Caris LeVert
Cedi Osman
Ochai Agbaji
2024 1st Round Pick
2025 Swap Opportunity
From LAL:
2027 1st Round Pick Unprotected
2028 1st Round Swap
2029 1st Round Pick Unprotected
Russell Westbrook (expiring contract)
Damn that looks good but how did you come up with this 😅
cleveland would never accept. why would they give up a bunch of young talent and a pick and a swap for a 37 yr old lebron who probably wouldn't want to play for them because they couldn't even make the playoffs. lebron has AD and Russ with him and they were a legitimate title contender until ad got injured.
@@derrickwhitelover The only reason the Cavs missed the playoffs was due to multiple injuries to key players the last 25 games. They were in 3rd in the east at the all star break before finishing 44-38 and losing 2 play-in games. The Lakers were never a contender with that team even if healthy. The only two young players from CLE in that trade are Sexton who will be difficult to keep and Agbaji who they just drafted.
@@ultimatecharisma2822 nba trade machine, but its good work.
@@JK-ri2fz aight I see your point but I still don't think this trade would happen. Nets wouldn't ever trade kd and kyrie for russ, sexton, LeVert, two other decent players, and 3 picks + 2 swaps. They've seen how big a headache Russell has been for the lakers and after kyrie not playing and being so frustrating to deal with I really doubt the nets want to experience something like that again. Rudy Gobert was able to get 5 players, 2 being solid, and 4 (technically 5), first-round picks. The Nets will want way more for Kd and Kyrie than what LA and the Cavs have given them in this trade. Also, I don't think they would ever let KD kyrie and LeBron on the same team that might be the biggest big 3 in nba history,
Man fuck no Butler ain’t going nowhere 🔥🔥
That 3 way deal with the Spurs isn't likely to happen at all. Why would Pop and the Spurs take on the burden of dealing with Ben Simmons after what they went through with Kawhi?
As a Heat Fan I would hate to trade Jimmy Butler for KD
Nets had such a good young core developing a few years ago and blew it by superstar hunting.
They seen him in the Boston series
trade i can come up with is a three team trade of pacers, suns and nets.
pacers get ayton, suns get kevin durant, nets get mikal bridges, cam payne, myles turner and 3 pheonix suns first. maybe throw in a second for the pacers. pacers want ayton either way, suns want kd, nets dont want to be terrible next year, closest thing to a win win
edit: if they dont want myles they can ship him to charlotte for pj washington, oubre and a hornets first which most likely would be a top 16 pick.
idk unless they want herro, duncan robinson, jovic and 5 firsts this is seems to be a option
i've seen so many videos suggest spurs included in kd trade. they are tanking, they wont give up that next year 1st pick come on
The raptors could offer OG, GTJ and picks.
The spurs won't want a Simmons, Kyrie, Harden, they are no drama
Can you do a video on the nets if Durant stays(which is most likely) talking about the Kyrie drama, big drama Ben drama, Steve Nash's coaching ability and inexperience,etc??
I imagine a Nuggets fan would be pissed to trade so much for KD. He isn't going to get you a ring and he wouldn't want to be there to begin with.
2:41 Harden's teammate putting up his arms wondering what the hell he just did. Oof. Can't believe this happened with a professional NBA player.
Cause any team would have too give up too much to get a 34 yo ,but still a very good player.
Anyone responsible for sending Simmons to play for Pop could be considered a party to manslaughter
Oh no plenty of people would love to have Kevin Durant, they just aren’t willing to gut their entire team for him. Nets are expecting a King’s Ransom for him when it’s simply not practical for a potential contender, which is the kind of team KD wants to join.
So why no mention of the Raps? They have one of the best trade packages
the clippers trade is very very intriguing. NGL
0:50 Danny Green came with kawhi to so it was basically DeMar and a first
That Gobert trade is the exception. It shouldn’t be used as the example. Why the Wolves traded so much is beyond me but it’s done.
If at all possible for the Bulls to get KD would it be possible for a sign and trade with Zach LaVine, Alex Caruso and some 1st round picks.
Would be really stupid for the heat to do that with the way Boston handled him in the playoffs. Why would he be the key to beating boston?
Only one that I think would make sense is that 3 team deal but I don’t see SA playing ball. Why make the west tougher for yourself?
That is because The Nets have been a very good organization for him yet he still bite them in the ass at the end, I don't think there is any other team that could have done better than the Nets gave all the players that he wanted to play with and he still does this crap.
too damn expensive man
Durant and Jokic would be unfair imo
I think they don’t want a disloyal superstar who will do anything to get traded when the super team doesn’t work,
"Maybe not anymore..." oof.
The problem is that teams dont want to move stars anymore. They think its sufficient to trade a ton of picks with a few crappy players to cover the cap.
It's also a thing now where bad teams want no star players on their team if they aren't an immediate help to the future.They rather deal with a bunch of young guys and have them grow together then a star whose older and don't fit the timeline
KD for KAT+DLo isn't bad.
I'd say KD is still better than KAT but KAT has time to improve and is from new Jersey