Steph Curry Couldn’t Stay Humble Forever
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Stephen Curry was on Gilbert Arenas’ podcast and said he’s better than Magic Johnson. That got a lot of hate online but is he right?
Jonny Artnett's Magic video: • STOP IT, It’s Not Even... - กีฬา
You can’t make everyone happy, no one will ever be happy with his answer to the question
A lot of people are happiest while complaining.
@@bandjolynthat’s true
Just like the GOAT debate, people would rather argue over their biases for decades rather than just celebrating both.
Because it's a redundant question.
No curry has become too cocky
Steph sets up his teammates just by existing. He’s such a threat on the floor offensively, teams have no choice but to bring bodies onto him. Steph doesn’t show his assists in numbers but his skill set literally opens everyone else up
bullshit. The whole Warriors offensive plan is to get Steph open, not get others open lmao.
Couldnt agree more. His gravity is already an assist that would not show up in the box score. Thats why i think people argue that draymond is an overrated passer. Hes only able to facilitate the way he does because of all the space steph generates.
True. A true off ball player. Already making an assist without touching the ball. 😂
Main reason why KD got his 2 MVP's
It's like messi at times, you know he's the biggest threat and lock him up, creating space for teammates
Glad to see Jonny getting his flowers. He has some of the best ball videos out there
Fr great channel
Jonny uploads bangers and he knows his stuff and his videos help me know a bit more about the league
from what I see he dumb and delusional
I've been saying that. The goat debate for instance, MJ is Clear of LeBron. He is the Greatest player. But is he the Best?
@@nolimitr86 That what im saying MJ is the greatest, Bron is the best
Look at Curry man, so inspirational 🏀
magic>
Cap 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
Curry>Magic
True man
Magic pulled multiple defenders to him when he had the ball in his hands or whenever he was posting on the low block. Magic had much better numbers and was much more impactful basketball player and making his teammates better. No rookie have ever won Finals MVP other than Magic Johnson. During Magic's first 11 seasons, from the 1979-1980 season until the 1990-1991 season, Magic and the Lakers won 5 Finals, reached the Finals 9 times, and loss in the Western Conference Finals twice, and an average regular season wins of 60 wins, and with 54 wins as the worse record. Throughout Magic's career, he was almost a walking triple double in almost every regular season and the playoffs. He had a higher PER, win share per game, better field goal, defense, rebound, assist, and arguably having the highest basketball IQ in the history of basketball. Magic averages over 50% in the Finals. Magic also holds the top 6 records of highest assist per game in the NBA Finals, ranking from #1 to #6.
Another thing about the Warriors system is that they pass the ball so much. Steph has drawn doubles and swung the ball to an open Draymond who makes the second pass to an even more open Klay Thompson who hits the three. Does Steph get an assist in that exchange? No, but he was still the catalyst and playmaker for the entire sequence.
this is what most people don't get. steph's 'playmaking' goes beyond just feeding a 7 foot giant with flashy assists.
Steph is a catalyst for much indeed but if he has an off day shooting, he is like trying to push out a load bearing beam in a tower game
Steph once scored 0 pts in an entire college game and still won. That right there is GRAVITY.
he was double teamed no matter what happened
bro what
@@joelembiid1295the team he faced put 2-4 players on Steph at all times, they forced the ball away from Steph so the game turned into a 3v4 or 1v4 at any give possession
@@joelembiid1295 Steph was such an elite shooter in college that the opponent coach didn't want him to take a shot. So he put 2 players on him all the time. The game was then 3v4 and Steph's team won with that advantage. Steph ended with 0pts.
@@joelembiid1295he scored 0 bc he was constantly double teamed. This meant one of his teammates were always open, and Steph is the reason for that
On the note of all time starting fives and off ball players: Bird was amazing off ball, hustled on D, and was a wizard at the touch pass and hockey assist. Perfect for a super star team with other great playmakers.
Tim Duncan already passed his bumass
@@lebronjamesharden3958 dude, tim is a pf, bird is a sf ... btw, bird all day
@@magicorpse so now you're comparing him to Lebron?
Steph was such a threat you have to guard him the moment he wakes up 😂😅
RDC reference
Curry actually said that it was him AND Magic at #1
They play 2 completely different styles so it makes sense
Look at Curry man , so inspirational and sensational
Curry had KD for 2 rings but they forgot Magic had Kareem, a literal top 5 or at least top 10 player all time
Most people put Kareem at like 3-4 from what I've seen
props for giving praise to those amazing nba channels, both incredible btw / I would argue, that a player who changed the game more in the 00 was Iverson
I was telling my nephew abt this at dinner today when this convo came up.. changing the game doesn't make you the best.. AI changed how small gaurds moved and dribbled the ball.. he had eveybody crossing up and breaking thier man down... but noone would say hes fhe best SG because of that.. hes not even close as MJ Kobe Wade would all be ahead of him.. AI is in their with West Gervin Nd maybe harden is in that realm but his game was to gimmick leaden to be real basketball to me.. but because he was avg 34, a game at one point and got an MVP hes in thier
GREAT video! I appreciate the kind words, which is very classy on your part, considering that we disagree on the conclusion.
Keep doing your thing, man! 500k coming soon 😤
After watching this did you realize it’s close?
It’s always gonna be a contest between Magic and Steph, depends on your era and perspective. Love them both with very different careers.
Yep. Steph is my favorite player but I still think Magic is the best PG ever. Could Steph eventually pass him? Maybe but I think it would take 2 more rings tbh. Magic’s 5 rings and 3 finals MVP is hard to clear
you're building a team, you get first pick at a PG, who you picking? steph or earl?@@Romanus-
They are just fueling Steph’s fire. It’s gonna be on like popcorn this upcoming season. 🔥🔥🔥
bro woke up and spit straight facts
Perfectly argued! It's happened to me when I was on the basketball court (here in Germany) and played 3 on 3 against players I don't know. Every time when one of them shot the ball from the 3 point line, he shouted "Steph". It is true that Stephen Curry has changed the game and has so much impact how the youth wants to play the game. So I was irritated but found it interesting and made the same and shouted "Steph" (it was stupid to make fun of that, but he was not pissed), when I shot from the 3 point line. I am not sure but possibly it has made something with me and made a couple of 3s in a row :-) .
Steph will stay in mind more than LeBron may do for the next 10 or more years.
Magic pulled multiple defenders to him when he had the ball in his hands or whenever he was posting on the low block. Magic had much better numbers and was much more impactful basketball player and making his teammates better. No rookie have ever won Finals MVP other than Magic Johnson. During Magic's first 11 seasons, from the 1979-1980 season until the 1990-1991 season, Magic and the Lakers won 5 Finals, reached the Finals 9 times, and loss in the Western Conference Finals twice, and an average regular season wins of 60 wins, and with 54 wins as the worse record. Throughout Magic's career, he was almost a walking triple double in almost every regular season and the playoffs. He had a higher PER, win share per game, better field goal, defense, rebound, assist, and arguably having the highest basketball IQ in the history of basketball. Magic averages over 50% in the Finals. Magic also holds the top 6 records of highest assist per game in the NBA Finals, ranking from #1 to #6.
BRO Lebron been playing for 20 yrs he has been on people's minds before Curry made it to the NBA.
Wow, 3 best NBA channels in the same video :)
I am glad you gave props to Steph. I think he is way underrated because his effect on the game often doesn't end up in the stats sheet. He is robbed of at least 1 FMVP and probably 2.
No, Just one KD vastly out played Steph in those finals... so much so.that KD. Had to bail steph out in game 3 and 4 of the 20l8 finals because he was jacking up poor shoots to win the FMVP and it was hurting the team...
Yes he definitely should have won it in 2015
@@vernonherb Do you even know what you are talking about or just read that somewhere (or heard from Skip Bayless)? Warriors swept Cavaliers in that series and Curry clearly outplayed Durant in all games except game 3. Not only that, Cavaliers game plan (as with other teams up to that point) was to stop Curry, not KD, because everyone understood who the better player was except casual youtube highlight watchers.
So your argument amounts to: KD, who was often left wide open because defences tried to stop Curry, should've won it because he outplayed Steph in one game and made sure series ended in 4 instead of 5 games.
3 great channels but Jimmyhighroller gotta be in the top 3
@@vernonherbnah not in game 4 cut the BS. He bailed him out in game 3 in KD scored 42 points thats the biggest reason he won fmvp. The other 3 games steph's numbers were as good as KD's if not better. Curry scored 11 points in game 3 thats the biggest reason he dint win finals MVP. Game 4 steph had 37 and KD had 20
Good on you for shouting out Johnny, I love his content too
What’s the definition of Humble, though? Making less of yourself to make other people happy? Or having egoless confidence in yourself because you worked hard to get to that level that you’re at?
I think people have to learn to rework and redefine that word. Great video pointing that out.
💯💯💯
Straight facts, most people mistake confidence to bragging.
@@shormere1612exactly, it’s not like he’s just saying he’s the GOAT PG unprompted. He was asked a question and answered it honestly. Would people just prefer if he lied? Confidence does not equal being cocky. If I was Steph I’d damn well think I was the best ever too lol
Showing humility… which curry didn’t here tbh … idk I find it funny how Magic never answered himself but Curry did … it just shows Magic had class & actions speak louder
Thank you A.M Hoops you are one of the best analysis on youtube casual fans don't analyze that steph vs Magic
I appreciate that
Thank you am hoops... People have such an affection for players in the 90s and 80s they make up their own stats that favor there player.
I met this man in Miami one year for just under 30 seconds. He is the nicest and most humble person you'll ever meet. I didn't even ask him for anything like an autograph or a hug, this was on the street before he went to play ball and I just asked if I could shake his hand. I was never a good basketball player, played in high school and was decent but nothing to look at. But I've been a Steph fan since he was at Davidson. I am an LSU fan but one day my dad popped up another game while the game was on commercial. Davidson popped up and he was draining a 3 from 37. Became a fan instantly. Thank you Steph for an amazing moment for me!
Thanks A.M Hoops for always bringing us awesome videos!
I'm a die-hard Warriors fan since 1991. Magic pulled multiple defenders to him when he had the ball in his hands or whenever he was posting on the low block. Magic had much better numbers and was much more impactful basketball player and making his teammates better. No rookie have ever won Finals MVP other than Magic Johnson. During Magic's first 11 seasons, from the 1979-1980 season until the 1990-1991 season, Magic and the Lakers won 5 Finals, reached the Finals 9 times, and loss in the Western Conference Finals twice, and an average regular season wins of 60 wins, and with 54 wins as the worse record. Throughout Magic's career, he was almost a walking triple double in almost every regular season and the playoffs. He had a higher PER, win share per game, better field goal, defense, rebound, assist, and arguably having the highest basketball IQ in the history of basketball. Magic averages over 50% in the Finals. Magic also holds the top 6 records of highest assist per game in the NBA Finals, ranking from #1 to #6.
Steph is revolutionary, he is arguably the greatest point guard all time, and is the greatest shooter all time. Plus a.m. hoops is right no matter what he says its a lose lose
He made the league worse lol
@@Andy-lq7ky he made it an offensive league in which 3s are now much more utilized because of his rise.thw value of the 3 that "ruined" the League was yes started by him but the Houston rockets litterally made the 3 a prio, driving to basket 2nd and midrange as the worst shot
I'm a die-hard Warriors fan since 1991. Magic pulled multiple defenders to him when he had the ball in his hands or whenever he was posting on the low block. Magic had much better numbers and was much more impactful basketball player and making his teammates better. No rookie have ever won Finals MVP other than Magic Johnson. During Magic's first 11 seasons, from the 1979-1980 season until the 1990-1991 season, Magic and the Lakers won 5 Finals, reached the Finals 9 times, and loss in the Western Conference Finals twice, and an average regular season wins of 60 wins, and with 54 wins as the worse record. Throughout Magic's career, he was almost a walking triple double in almost every regular season and the playoffs. He had a higher PER, win share per game, better field goal, defense, rebound, assist, and arguably having the highest basketball IQ in the history of basketball. Magic averages over 50% in the Finals. Magic also holds the top 6 records of highest assist per game in the NBA Finals, ranking from #1 to #6.
Guys the fact of the matter is how much we argue who should be the greatest of all time. The simple fact we are arguing about who is greater means they both have been cemented legends in their own right like the MJ vs LBJ goat debate It doesn't matter who you think is better but both are now cemented as the goat of their generation. Magic is great for what he provided and curry is great for what he provided they are legends in history maybe in a few years they will be surpassed.
I love how you give another perspective on these trending nba topics... I was ready to rant in this comment about Steph becoming more and more like LeKing, but your videos really make me learn something new every time... 👍
I love both yours and Jonny Arnett's YT channels! This debate can go either way with both perspectives being correct. It is just a matter of which aspects of their individual games are being valued more by the hardcore fans. Loved this vid!
Yoooo Casey with that Jonny Arnett backdrop 💯 hella underrated bball channel fr
I never understood why people compare 2 different eras from basketball and players from them, just separate them. We can say Steph is the greatest pg of modern basketball and Magic from old era.
Exactly!
But who’s the best of all time?
@@davehamilton4761😂😂😂 you can't have that argument in a sport that changes rules as much as they do... It like the Montana vs Brady conversation... Two very different rule books at a core level affecting not only how the game is played, how the game is officiated and also how players approach the game
Steph is a One-to-One Guard. On Ball...Point or Shooting Guard. But also one of the Few Off-Ball Point Guards. By Dragging defenses with him (...but also a Shooting Guard if he gets the ball again to shoot). Magic vs Steph is a weird comparison
Exactly. Especially since Magic could play all 5 positions. If Kareem was hurt they would sometimes pass the ball to him in the paint.
@@cjmoss51 Yeah. I also find it weird that Magic, at his height, wasn't considered the pioneer of Point Forwards...Point Guards were/are usually smaller, because there was less they could be depended on to do consistently, than run the offense
@@wahyagabriel6167 For real, compare Magic to Lebron, not Steph. It's like calling Jokic a PG because he gets so many assists.
@@shorewall Magic/Lebron, makes more sense. Also, meanwhile 'Bron is not considered a Point Guard...which doesn't make sense either. Magic/Lebron were.are Unicorns. Steph is his own Unicorn
@@cjmoss51Magic couldn't play all 5 positions. He did the jump ball in the 80 Finals but he wasn't playing center or the wing during his era. Y'all just said that to keep the hype with that Finals rs dude lol. Magic in this era ain't making it. Steph in that era, would have niggaz believing in sorcery lol rns lol. You give any player in your Top 10 Kareem for 7 years and they'd win 5 chips too. MJ? Bird? Wilt and Russell? Bron? Kobe? Like fam make it make sense lol
love the shout out to Thinking Basketball. an amazing channel to watch, really high level stuff broken down in a brilliant way. a MUST watch channel for anyone thats into basketball
Look at Curry man so inspirational ❤
Great distinction and yeah I’m choosing Steph on my team just like you said 🏀
In my personal opinion, steph is still behind magic in point guard rankings but its a clear top 2. If anyone ranks steph outside the top 2, they are obviously bias against him
he ranks no.2 in your list because?...
@@gerson7366 steph is indeed the second best point guard of all time. Just look up both Magic and Steph's resumes and that's your answer. Idk if you are trying to imply that steph is better than magic or that steph is not top 2, but either way YOU are the one that needs to explain yourself
@@MrE_I guess you didn't watch the video you're commenting under
I really love you giving the props to thinking basketball and J. Arnet ... I really like their channels, As I do yours!
Great video
Your channel has come a long way! Great video.
Thanks!
Another thing, Magic had Kareem to get assists, sure Curry had one of if not the greatest team of all time but he never had a dominant big man who he could pass to in the post
Facts
If we accept KAJ role in la, then we should accept KD role for gsw as well. Check out majic's apg in both regular and postseason in chip years, then check out steph's apg in chip years with kd. The gap is very big, never mind KD was not a big man like KAJ, he got even better ppg so... + kd was the fmvp in those years not steph, while majic got the fmvp awards from Kareem (he only got one with magic). Steph is a phenomenal player, but Magic was better.
When your teams shoots more 3s than 2s…what the hell do you need a big guy for?
@@seansimms6693 Im just saying the facts
and choose to ignore some...
As a Warriors fan I don't blame Steph for saying he's the best. Obviously Gil asked that to get a buzz worthy reply and he did. However looking at Curry's body of work and what he brings to the table he is definitely top 2 best PGs of all time IMHO. His shooting is otherworldly to the point you got double and triple teams following him so his teammates can shoot an open shot. And that's regardless if he has the ball or not. Also the greatest players of all time have changed the game and evolved it for the better. Magic and Larry made it entertaining in the 80s. Jordan took the game global. And Curry now has gotten 7 foot centers and middle schoolers shooting deep 3s to keep up with his revolution with the warriors. As of right now he has the talent to be the best PG of all time and his legacy is only what's keeping Magic on higher ground. Time will tell but if Curry has another ring, finals MVP, or MVP then his case for GOAT PG could inch closer and closer. Heck we might even say Curry could become 1b to Magic's 1a in the GOAT PG debate.
This is a great video Casey. I like your confidence in how you put over your points. !!!
“a bunch of little kareem’s running around” LOLL😂
What Steph is saying is true tho, Hes the best pg of all time. Now ofc we can go back to back all day between Magic and Steph but its damn close
Your delusional magic has 5 rings curry has 4 magic has 3 mvps to Steph’s 1 get it right
He would probably be a one time champ if not for KD so that alone keeps him from the greatest pg in my eyes. He made the league unfair on purpose so i cant ignore that. He literally could've sleep walked through those season and still won two rings. Context matters so I can't put him ahead of magic for now.
@@DimesprodzSteph has 2 MVPs bruh so you need to get it right
@@Dimesprodzthe video just explained about why that difference in accolades don’t matter that much -_-
I'll actually say steph is more a SG than even a PG..it's not close
He is the greatest point guard. Magic is great sure but Steph has revolutionized basketball in the modern nba and it’s not as simplistic as shooting more threes. Glad to see this man get his flowers.
Without Magic, there is no NBA that Steph can "revolutionized". Magic literally saved the NBA. Saved > Revolutionized period.
@@paolovillorente9102 are there little magic's running around or are there little steph's running around he saved the nba with larry it was 50/50 also kareem helped him with everyt championship and he had james worthy name top 10 players in that era without magic kareem larry james worthy. waiting
@@osl1per748 Magic won his first title before worthy was even drafted so that argument is moot, Kareem helping him gets canceled out because Steph had Klay and KD. Hell Curry was TRASH until they drafted Klay. WAYYYY too many kids commenting who didn't start watching ball till the 2000's.
love the video for the sole fact that you shouted out Thinking Basketball when using their analysis. well done.
Jonny is one of the best NBA TH-camrs, awesome you mentioned his video
His assists are something that can not be shown in the stats sheet. His gravity alone is assisting his team mates. Just look at the games, him just walking on the court doing nothing is still a threat.
Saying steph is better than magic its like saying lebron is better than mj. Better is the one who achieved more in less time, period.
@@user-zd9vy4nw1e No greater is the one who has more accolades and that's Magic. Steph is the better player.
I think steph is a better shooter than magic. Imo magic is better at everything else so he is a better player than steph. but feel free to argue (with arguments).
Good thing he’s STILL playing and has time to add to his resume! But regardless my GOAT 🐐
Your goat? Don’t understand your opinion but okay still love curry, he’s in my top 3
Yes my goat my favorite player of all time the guy I idolize and try to model after … problem ?
No problem
@@Brian-co1nri think he was trying to understand your opinion, since there really isn’t an argument for him being the goat, since goat doesn’t mean favourite player it means best player
@@Brian-co1nr no I don’t have a problem
nice video. It shows the beauty of the b ball and no drama and drama
best nba youtuber out there. thanks for the awesome content!
I appreciate that!
First of all, I call bs on Curry creating as much as offense as Magic, because his numbers were fairly pedestrian and his playoff success nonexistent before Kerr took over as head coach of the Warriors, so it's Kerr's system that does that. Secondly, Curry provides elite shooting at the cost of being mediocre to a walking mismatch defensively and what strength he brings to the table is not necessary if you have elite scorers at the other positions (MJ, Kobe, Bird etc), which an all-time great time obviously would have. Magic on the other hand provides elite playmaking and passing and there's no reason not to want the ball in his hands, given he's the best and fastest basketball decision maker ever (MJ and Kobe were exceptional as part of the triangle offense, which wasted no movement, Bird works perfectly as a catch and shoot sniper, a big like Kareem can also evidently fit perfectly with Magic, Lebron is useless to an all-time great team to begin with). In fact, if you don't have Magic, there's no other player or combination of other players that can make up for missing out on his skillset, whereas Curry is perfectly replaceable. So it's Magic all day, any day.
Your assumption is that he cannot play traditional point guard which is not true. Bird was not an elite defender but hustled which Steph does. His teams have had great defensive ratings which would not be possible with a missing link in defense.
@@thegame7557 Well, yes, but Bird was a 6"9-6"10 SF, he was not undersized, and he made three 2nd Teams All-Defense in a basically 8-9 year span of a healthy career, Steph has made none. As for Magic, there have been many excellent traditional PGs over the years, but none has come close to his level. He was the original break-the-mold freak athlete.
@@sakdavid Curry has been a steals leader once which has to count for something. The reason Magic and Curry compete is because they broke the mold and are exceptional. Who is all-time best is a matter of preference
@@thegame7557 Picking one is a matter of preference, because they are essentially playing different roles. Magic is a point guard - period, whereas Steph is a shooting guard masquerading as a point guard on defense, because he's undersized for a 2. So yeah, you might prefer to go with 2-3 shooting guards, you might want to put MJ or Lebron or Giannis or whomever on point, but Magic still is the best actual PG ever, so if you want one, it has to be him.
@@sakdavid Magic played as a point forward that's why people say he could play all positions but go on. Can we also say Lebron is not a small forward because he does not often play the position?
Magic is the greatest PG ever and Steph is the greatest shooter ever. I have both of them in my top 10 of All time, but I have Magic in my top 5 and Stept In my top 10. Great Video Casey and loves your take on this, the game has change it's now Guard Wing Big. Not like PG Magic Nash CP3 SG MJ Kobe D Wade SF Bird McGrady Piece Duncan Dirk KG Center Shaq Hakeem Kareem. Michael Carrozza
Steph is better than magic lmao ur an oldhead
Big’s don’t dominate the league anymore? Did you watch any NBA games this past season?
@@DavidChinhbro the last 4 out of 5 bigs won the MVP and championship so I’ll say yeah
@@DavidChinhdid you 😂
@@mcNuggetMuncher I did, are you not a Nuggets fan?
Love the videos Casey ❤
First I love your videos man keep it up I watched every video of you
7:18 No one js doing these players unique things after they retired, but people are doing what Steph is doing while he's still playing.
Dude turn LeBron into a 3 point volume shooter😂😂😂
Curry is the best pg
My two favorite channels Jonny and Thinking basketball
"We don't have a bunch of little Kareems running around" 🤣🤣🤣
I think there's a difference between best point guard and greatest point guard. When we say best we're usually referring to who we'd rather have on our team but greatest supercedes on court impact. So by these definitions I'd say magic is greater but Steph is better. Hope that makes sense
Here’s the thing… they’d both be starters on my top 5
exactly, i think greatest takes in consideration skill, accolades, and team success. if we’re talking best, it’s pure skill and on court production. steph is the *best* pg but he’s not the *greatest* pg
bruh the best and greatest debate is so stupid bro
Steph Curry's answer to Gilberts question shows how idiotic the pedestal Greatest/Best/Largest/Fattest player is. T... E... A... M... get it?
At some level, best becomes almost meaningless. Among that rarefied group, difference and personal preference are the only meaningful terms. That’s true of many professions.
Magic immediately played with a top 3 in Kareem and later a top 50 in Worthy - with HOF owner and GM. Klay and Draymond - aren’t even top 75. KD is a top 10-15 all-time but only for 3 years and 2 titles.
I'm just upset you have KD that high up in your all time list lol. Did everyone forget he joined a 73-9 team to get those two rings? and he still couldn't three-peat? come on
@@JohnnyYeet123-sf6suWell Said Bro. I'd Say Top 15 Fs
@@JohnnyYeet123-sf6su Nice! "If you hate KD for joining the Warriors", then you hate Kareem for joining the Lakers. Garnett for joining the Celtics. Shaq for joining the Lakers/Heat. LeBron for joining the Heat.
@@peteybrian Yeah Fax
@@anthonythomas Horrid take. KD didn't three-peat only because he was INJURED.
Love everything u said in this vid 💯
You just got yourself a sub keep it up
I hate the playmaking gravity argument cos it can literally apply to any great scorer and now you have no argument for playmaking
They not doing to the same level as Steph. They can't pull up from half court like him.
@@zombie92110 of course I’m not claiming they are but if prime Lebron cuts it will collapse the floor leaving space for his teammates if shaq gets in post up position it will collapse the floor leaving space for teammates it’s just about having the right pieces around them Steph has the luxury of have more gravity meaning he’s a better fit on most offences but the premise is the same it’s not a playmaking argument it’s a scoring threat one
@@TriedYan scoring threat is a part of playmaking. In the case of Steph he doesn't even need to the ball in his hands to draw double team because he can shoot from everywhere on the court and quicker than everybody else.
@@zombie92110 then we can never agree cos our basketball philosophies fundamentally oppose each other cos I don’t believe being a scoring threat necessarily makes you a good playmaker worthy of praise but I did have fun conversing with you and witnessing a different perspective have a bless day
I mean Magic is my personal goat PG but I have no problem with people saying Steph, I get it. Same thing with MJ being my goat but I have no problem with people saying Bron. You can make a great case with any of these guys
I live in Massachusetts and I go to Maine all the time its an hour away. Its awesome. Maine "of all places" though? Its called the vacation state for a reason lol
Stephen curry put the fear on every team in the nba
Magic is the best PG ever. Curry is in the top ten all time, bumping out The Big O. MJ, Kareem, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Kobe and Duncan - along with Curry are in my TOP TEN!
Personally, if I am starting a team from scratch I want Magic Johnson. If you just need to drop a guy into a team I would take Stephen Curry.
Yeah me too...Magic can be the team's best scorer,defender,passer and rebounder, he's a do it all guy. Hard to say that Steph is the best PG all time coz he didnt play like one(orchestrating the offense), Steph plays more like a shooting guard, but difinitely the best shooter ever.
Hey the Ad this time was actually funny lol
Man i like your basket video , thank u. Ho Is this Gilbert arena ?? Talk about enyone i never see him play
Sooner or later Steph will be accpeted by most of people as the GOAT pg
No he is not magic always
Steph Curry is the greatest PG of all time.
Magic played with Kareem you know a top 3 player of all time, the greatest center of all time.
people also somehow acts like we will never see another Magic, like everyone somehow forgot LeBron and Ben Simmons(sure now he is terrible, but when he was good, he was a Magic proto-type player.)
Ok and steph has played with 3 future hall of famers one that was an mvp top 3 shooter of all time and one of the best point foward ever what's ur point?
Magic won three MVPs and three finals MVPs. Yes he had great teammates (so did literally every other all time great other than Hakeem), but he was still the best player in the league three times and the best player on a championship team three times. So it's silly to downplay Magic's greatness solely due to him having good teammates.
Magic is better.
@@Dimesprodzlove u
@@anthonythomasBOOOM
You know ball my guy
Im glad u spoke about Thinking Basketball and Johnny Arnett. Ben especially is the best basketball youtuber by a long shot
What part of Maine did you go to? I live near Acadia National Park and there are tons of great hiking trails around here and the views from the top of Cadillac Mountain are awesome.
You have some great points but I didn’t hear much about defense although Steph maybe a better scorer he is a liability on defense unlike magic
This proves you’re a casual and never watch Warriors games, Steph has been playing amazing defender recently, of course he’s not Kawhi type but still holds his own. Not a liability anymore.
How could you even compare the eras? Curry would get clobbered just going in the lane. He was too small to play at a high level in the '80s, early 90's. Think of it. Could you really say if Steph Curry was in 80's would he really change the game? Put magic in today's game and he would dominate. Comparing late '70s '80s and early '90s to today's NBA is ludicrous.
un juagdor en la nba moderna que sea nulo ofensivamente y no tengas buenos porcentajes de tiros ? nadie querria un jugador asi actualmente
@@avanzastudio9150 Magic Johnson en puntos y asistencias por partido desde 1980 hasta 1989:
- 1980-81: Puntos - 21.6, Asistencias - 8.6
- 1981-82: Puntos - 18.6, Asistencias - 9.6
- 1982-83: Puntos - 16.8, Asistencias - 8.6
- 1983-84: Puntos - 17.6, Asistencias - 7.3
- 1984-85: Puntos - 18.3, Asistencias - 6.2
- 1985-86: Puntos - 18.8, Asistencias - 5.9
- 1986-87: Puntos - 23.9, Asistencias - 6.3
- 1987-88: Puntos - 19.6, Asistencias - 6.2
- 1988-89: Puntos - 22.5, Asistencias - 7.9
- 1989-90: Puntos - 22.3, Asistencias - 6.6
@@avanzastudio9150 El porcentaje de tiros de campo desde 1980 hasta 1989 son los siguientes:
- 1980-81: % de tiros de campo - 53.6%, Promedio de tiros - 13.6
- 1981-82: % de tiros de campo - 54.1%, Promedio de tiros - 13.7
- 1982-83: % de tiros de campo - 51.4%, Promedio de tiros - 13.0
- 1983-84: % de tiros de campo - 50.9%, Promedio de tiros - 14.1
- 1984-85: % de tiros de campo - 53.8%, Promedio de tiros - 13.3
- 1985-86: % de tiros de campo - 52.4%, Promedio de tiros - 14.3
- 1986-87: % de tiros de campo - 52.5%, Promedio de tiros - 16.3
- 1987-88: % de tiros de campo - 50.4%, Promedio de tiros - 15.5
- 1988-89: % de tiros de campo - 51.7%, Promedio de tiros - 16.3
- 1989-90: % de tiros de campo - 49.5%, Promedio de tiros - 17.7
@@avanzastudio9150 No se si te refieres a Magic, pero yo no veo nada nulo ahí.
Shout out that man Jonny A.
Instead of adapting to the NBA, the NBA had to adapt to him theta might be the best point
the only thing I know is that, if Steph is going against Magic's Lakers in a playoff game, it would be a +30 point rout in his favor. This is why when comparing Steph to others, Steph should have an asteric next to his name, and that asteric should say: "Steph can beat ANYONE, if they don't have intel on him". Still, Magic is no joke, to me they are 1A and 1B interchangeably.
Don't be absurd. Curry got shut down by geriatric Lebron's and half-interested AD's Lakers just a couple of months ago. He wouldn't stand a chance against Magic's Lakers.
Bro stop.. those lakers teams had grest defensive players like Cooper and Scott as well as magic.. the GSW would have NO ANSWER FOR KARREM OR WORTHY... 3 is more than two but if the 2s are shooting 56-60$ from the field you HAVE to shoot 45-50% from three .. you may do that on a night or two . But in a 7 game series its over in 6 games advantage lakers... nof to mention the fast break the warriors arent ready for that tempo..
43 in game 4 (with 10 rebs) and the GSW would have been down 3-1, but other than that great video with nuance. Should have also brought up how stacked Magic's teams were compared to Steph. And how Steph elevated players like Dray and Klay to hall of Fame status (though Klay might have succeeded anywhere tbh, he's the second greatest shooter of all time) whereas Magic played with 3 other top 5 picks (Kareem and James Worthy were #1 picks and both are top 75 players of all time) I think the Steph vs Magic argument is they're about even right now, but once Steph chips up again, it's game over he'll officially be in the top 5 of all time and the 🐐 PG.
Also, I always love when you bring up how the NBA not only adapted to Steph but copied him, because they realise he cracked a code to winning and being dominant (dude locked down a whole conference for 5 straight years) also Steph's unique skill set in being one of the best on ball players and skilled players in nba history, coupled with being the 🐐 shooter and being the 🐐 off ball player and mover in nba history is why he's ahead of legend like Bird, Shaq, Wilt, Oscar, Hakeem etc. And he has the accolades to prove it. Ppl like to say oh he's not really a PG well tell me what PG has a resume as good as his except Magic (who played on stacked teams while Steph built his dynasty from the ground up) Stockton, Nash, Cp3, Kidd, GP all failed IT came close but none of them ever dominated the NBA like Steph, but of course let's say he's not a PG, smdh 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
ima curry fan but making a “stacked team” argument for him is crazy
@@zlatanisthegoat bruv, Steph played on a stacked team for 3 years (2 postseasons) Magic played on stacked teams for a decade bruv. You're not serious. Steph has won 2 chips without another top 75 player of all time next to him. Magic can't say that.
@A.M. Hoops, thank you! It takes courage to come out and say something like this and back it up with facts.
if you gave me the choice of curry or magic id pick curry before you could even finish that sentence, curry is the greatest offensive talent to ever play, with or without the ball. sure there's guys that need to be guarded at all times but not to the extent that is for curry, once you cross half court curry needs a man in his jersey or else risk him getting a decent look and hitting a 3 from a mile away. magic is great but his meer presence doesn't warp defenses in the same way that curry does, curry's gravity brings all focus on him cause if he has even an inch of space he can and will shoot. He doesn't even need to shoot (or shoot good) for defenses to still prioritize him over anyone else cause of the threat of him catching fire and taking the win. magic does not compare to that in the slightest, again he's great but curry is just on a different level.
5:09 tbf it works both ways. During WCSF their “everybody double team Steph” shtick didn’t worked out and they needed Steph to be primary playmaker but they couldn’t pull it off. Lack of size and lack of playmaking two reasons why Warriors lost that series. So yeah, Maybe Magic was not as effective without ball, but Steph not as effective with ball and if situation demands it warriors are in trouble.
He definitely had the ball in 2022 tho. And boston couldn’t stop him. Even if you wanna think the way you do, the fact is that curry is just as good off the ball as magic is with the ball, but curry isn’t incapable of playing on the ball, while magic kinda is when it comes to playing off. It’s a fundamental limitation of magic johnson
IMO Steph is both the the greatest shooter and PG of all time
shooter yes but pg no not at all Isiah Thomas a better pg only 2 less rings but he never had a kd
@@forkp5363Isaiah isn’t even point guard employee of the month
@@forkp5363no way in hell can you say isiah is better. Whether you look at stats or career, number of rings, mvps, all nbas, impact on basketball. There is literally no case for isiah over steph right now and don't act like isiah didn't have a bunch of great teamates too.
when a bench player get fmvp over u its ruins your career and having 2 rings where u needed help when in 2016 were already 73-9Isiah Thomas played in a era where people didnt go for stats people like currry are constantly thinking of breaking reocrds why cause their is more to break dumb mf
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The Showtime Lakers were 7-9 without Magic in 1984. And earlier, in 1981, the Lakers were only average without Magic until they locked in on defense. But they couldn't have stayed good defensively a whole season. Magic's teams were never built for defense, and that's why they were not anywhere near championship-calibur teams without him. They had offense but no defense at all! Kareem was old! But Magic did something wild for these teams. He ramped up their offense to an even higher level. Their offenses would be so crazy that other teams would get worn out! And that, in turn, made the Lakers' defense look better than what it was!
But my point here is that Magic basically carried roughly average teams to 9 championship appearances. The "Showtime Lakers" should not be considered superteams. Kareem was getting older and had no defense. The other players looked really good due to Magic. And if, for some reason, carrying average teams to 9 championships isn't good enough, then consider this: If Magic had been on worse teams, then Magic would have learned to score earlier in his career. And then Magic's GOAT case would be indisputable. Above MJ and Kobe even. He always had the ability. But it wasn't his style. But if he had been forced to score more earlier, then he would have risen to even higher heights. So, you can't punish him for not being on worse teams... if you try, he only looks better. Instead, he is what he is... 5 rings in 9 appearances. Which is unbelieveable.
Regarding your argument... yes, Steph has gravity. But you gotta re-watch mid-80's Magic (assuming you've watched some of his finals' wins from the mid-80's). He's a quarterback with the basketball.
But regarding your arguments... Magic proved that he was fine with other on-ball stars. That's literally what Kareem was. The difference is that Magic made all the players on his team into elite off-ball stars. If you're an on-ball guy, Magic will turn you into an off-ball guy. I'm not even joking. At his peak, Magic could have made even a LeBron into a route runner (toward the basket, of course... not in circles) that gets the ball at the exact right time. He's that good at quarterbacking a team. So, the question becomes, why would you have Steph as one off-ball guy, when Magic can turn your whole team into off-ball guys?
And I know that he's not doing as much when other players actually have the ball... but this is a bit deceptive. The moment players are in trouble, they wheel it around to Magic and he sets something else up that works. In other words, Steph moves and draws players to him. Magic does not move, and draws players away from him... because they are so petrified of his passing. And that's the case both when he has the ball and doesn't have the ball. This makes Magic open even without off ball movement. And when Magic is open, Magic does damage and makes other players "open" out of thin air!
But you might counter with this: What if there is a player who absolutely will not move? Wouldn't Steph be better to pair with him? No! Magic proved that when Kareem wouldn't move, Magic would get everyone else to move in order to recieve Magic's passes. And hilariously enough, the effect for Kareem's ability to move in space was identical to Steph's effect on Durant. Just like Curry's movement helped Durant, all of the other players moving to get passes from Magic would really help Kareem. Defenses would be so confused by the time Kareem got the ball, that he was on easy street! Just like Durant!
But lastly, someone could say what you tried to say: "What if I have a team full of on-ball guys who really all want to do their own thing?" In that case, just having someone moving around them won't be enough. You'll want a distributor like Magic. And if those guys are also distributors, then the ball will be zipping around so much that teams will just ignore Magic. And that's when he really cooks with both his shooting and passing. Trust me, Magic is the guy you want dishing the ball around. Watch mid-80's Magic again! In the finals! In his wins! It's better than you remember from the last time you watched it!
You say that points are more important than assists. This is only true when the player in question is not Magic Johnson! You gotta watch!
Also, regarding changing the game, Steph has ZERO comparison to Magic. To begin with, NBA games were tape-delayed before Magic. The nation didn't follow basketball. But Magic and Bird's 1979 college matchup put basketball on the map. And their 80's rivalry then set the stage for Jordan to grab the spotlight. If people weren't already watching the NBA, then Jordan wouldn't have taken off. Magic and Bird literally made the NBA into something people would sit down and watch live.
But that's not all. Every kid coming up in the 80's wanted to be Magic Johnson. Seriously! That's why there was a wealth of pass-first point guards like Stockton, Payton, KJ, Price, etc!!! It was a big deal! John Stockton even said that in an interview. He said he and all of his friends wanted to be Magic when they were growing up. They all tried to copy his passes. It could literally be said that NBA passing would have been worse in subsequent generations if it wasn't for Magic Johnson.
So, no, Steph has not changed the game like Magic! Best case scenario, they are even!
Great perspective, man! Respect to Steph's ability both on and off the ball, without disrespecting Magic's game.
I think Steph deserves more credit than a lot of people want to give him credit for. He and Magic both have different but competitive skillsets to warrant being the point guard on the GOAT team - you could easily make them the point guards of two top teams containing the top ten players of all time and apply players around them to supplement their skill sets. They both played in very different eras and dominated those eras in their own way. I am not going to dock Steph for that or neglect what Magic did either. They are both peak all time point guards and you can build a GOAT team around either one. What I respect around Jordan's list is that he builds a greatest team of all time around himself and his style of play - that is the way we need to frame the GOAT debate.
Johnny arnett was claiming how these players changed the game by how impossible it was to play like them. No one can do what they did because only they could do it. Changing rules IS changing the game.
I am not trying to argue, I'm just posting a question to the old heads out there:
How much of an impact did the beautiful game Spurs have on Steph? How much did Steph change after Kerr saw the 2014 Spurs' beautiful game and saw what was possible if young players played like the Spurs?
Very much so because they run a team first offense of passing the ball until you find someone open or you run a series of cute and screens to find a open man
People forget Stephen curry got rob a finals mvp 2015 no one was ready for a small guard to change the game
Thank you! Steph all day every day!!!!!
If Micheal Jordan says Magic is the Goat, he is
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Magic pulled multiple defenders to him when he had the ball in his hands or whenever he was posting on the low block. Magic had much better numbers and was much more impactful basketball player and making his teammates better. No rookie have ever won Finals MVP other than Magic Johnson. During Magic's first 11 seasons, from the 1979-1980 season until the 1990-1991 season, Magic and the Lakers won 5 Finals, reached the Finals 9 times, and loss in the Western Conference Finals twice, and an average regular season wins of 60 wins, and with 54 wins as the worse record. Throughout Magic's career, he was almost a walking triple double in almost every regular season and the playoffs. He had a higher PER, win share per game, better field goal, defense, rebound, assist, and arguably having the highest basketball IQ in the history of basketball. Magic averages over 50% in the Finals. Magic also holds the top 6 records of highest assist per game in the NBA Finals, ranking from #1 to #6.
Well Explained Sir🎉🙏🙇🏽
Steph is the perfect archetype for the modern PG. Im a Cavs fan and my vote is for Curry
Nice review ! Spitting facts!
Curry GOATed and many legends have his same mindset and think they are the best
Am hoops is the best sport analyst TH-camr he is the best. Curry is so inspiring to me ❤️ Hope you have a good rest of your day
Good arguments. You're my favorite basketball youtuber.
The thumbnail made it seem like you were going to clown Steph, but supported his stance. A little bait and switch, but i approve.
Will you grow tired of his standard bait and switch moves though if he keeps doing just that?
@@emmapeel38 absolutely. Click bait works only for so long.
Favorite TH-camr
glad to see you shouting out other youtubers