@@Bjbjbj1999 of course not, its a meme and it all depends on the game, but until Gold plat this is almost 100% true. If you dont rotate when u should then u should obviously lose still
I remember i heard something about that when lee gets blinded he actually stops being blind, but since he is used to the darkness, the vision pretty much just flashbangs him, so he can't use his other senses i guess.
I see some comments saying this specific idea only works until gold, plat, etc. That might be true if you only look at the surface. Mindlessly split pushing will stop working pretty quickly. I think there's a LOT more here than that, though. It's not even hidden info, you just have to take this idea and be creative. Come up withy our own knowledge checks. I'm a support main, and I can knowledge check the enemies constantly in ways that aren't split pushing. One example is the 20 minute baron. Given the right team comp and not being behind, you can setup baron vision / waves at 18-19 minutes, then kill it if the enemies don't know to contest vision or aren't around top jungle. They often are, but when they aren't, they'll literally let you take a baron you have no right taking. Same with dragon at earlier timers. Another more creative one is invading enemy jungle if you don't need to recall and the enemy duo just based. If you're against a lower threat jungler you know can't kill you and you're ranged (Karma is great at this), you can do that standard river ward, then do a very shallow invade and chunk the enemy jungler if he's on gromp / krugs. If the enemy jungler doesn't realize how vulnerable he is with his support in base, you just win a ton of HP and time off of him. There are soooooo many things to knowledge check that I 'm sure I'm not aware of. Don't take this at face value. Come up with your own repertoire of checks you know about, but lots of people at your ELO don't :) And once you climb enough for them to stop working as often, get creative again.
@@jinnybeatsthere's tons of knowledge checks like this. same goes for tp advantage. if an objective is up and you see an enemy player pushing sides with no tp you can force the objective and most likely win the fight and objective.
People say the real swamp is low elo which feels luck based and further on is smooth sailing but complain when they find a strat that works to get you out of there but stops being as effective higher up 🤷♂️
I randomely started doing this cause nothing else worked and my team mates oftenly spampinged or flamed me at first. But i won alot of games like this. Ty for the video and clerification 👍🏻
there are 2 types of players thouse who want kills and to fight and thouse who take down towers and win the game they flame u cuz ur doing the right thing and there pist ur not dying with them all they want is kills dont fall in to that trap /deafen
Back in 2021 I mained top lane Ryze for like 3 months. I climbed from silver to platinum, without ever having improved my play, simply because I was free to sidelane every game, with a free escape (R) and a free "in" for every objective fight (TP)
I like how he says "The red team 'sends' this person" as if they were coordinating it. But in reality, we ALL know that those people decided on their own accord to just do their own thing
I'm learning so much from this Channel! In knowing what knowledge checks to do, it also teaches me what to do when roles are reversed. How to recognize knowledge checks, and respond accordingly. Honestly, since I made a few simple changes you suggest in your videos, my win rate sky rocketed. I'm now carrying teams as Tristana bottom, last shotting minions early game, and have realized that every little advantage you get adds up. I'm thinking of signing up for Skill Capped, because just from your videos alone, LoL has gone from being frustrating, to fun. That, and now I'm in a higher ELO with players better since I started using the tips! XD
I love the idea of knowledge checking! As a garen 1trick I win almost no lanes, but I was telling a coach a while ago I "idiot check" every single opponent wave 1 by trying to get the lvl 2 push / posturing like I want to trade. A lot of times champions that crush me like Trynd or Darius let me zone them off xp level 1 lol
so I usually get flamed as a mid player for not always going to a team fight that we are out numbered. I usually prioritize farm/towers until objs are up and the jg is actually doing their job.
in my case as an ADC i see a lot of mids/tops taking TP but use it for their own lane and what they do prio to that?the group mid doing ARAM Mode with 2 TP's up while sidelanes are ignored
The most likely scenario when playing side lane in silver is many opponents coming for you and then your whole team joining you, arriving after you died, and losing the fight without taking anything on the map.
Thank you for making these videos. Very helpful information for those people who really want to improve can get high ranks and maybe aspire for more. Hopefully, young kids can see this and start climbing. Maybe one day these kids can make NA Proud at the pro scene and especially at international
Know issue of your lp and invisible mmr being out of sync, if this starts to happen what you need to do, and this is gonna sound stupid, is dodge 5 games in a row, no joke and it'll be normal games again. sure your gonna lose 25 lp but your sanity will be saved.
Man I had the start of this split, played brand jungle. Steamrolled through than came in some kind of an smurf queue and I didnt know what happend lmao…
I have been getting a ton of people solo pushing non-stop in my League ranked games lately. They have probably watched this video. Needless to say, this approach ends up with a DEFEAT for my team in about 90% of cases
Knowledge check 3 is always rough like your team will see you have no way to win a 1v3 but you’re tanky and then they all come to help against a laner 2 lvls ahead of them
Anivia is one of my favorite split push champs for control mages, I've found her to be incredibly efficient at clearing the waves before they even hit yours, making huge waves at towers.
All of Neace's coaching videos combined, summed up in 25 minutes, and then some, alongside narrations read from Sun Tzu, and with infinitely less (see: no) screaming. Mention your D4 friends for 17:20 and 22:30 marks... :D
when your team is already covering sidelanes and properly knowledge checking the opponent You are basically ‘split pushing’ objectives, enemy jungle, and/or mid towers with your group by then The same principles apply to teamfighting as split pushing. Are they sending people to match you? If not, you win Are they sending numerous/strong enough people able to match your 2-4 man group in teamfights? If not, you win Are they sending too many / too strong people to teamfight vs your group? If YES, you stall and win Of course there’s more things you can do in between to make yourself win even harder, but for low elo it’s great to focus mostly on these principles. In pro, we often see more teamfighting because they have full control over their teammates’ actions and can always meet the knowledge checks. Even then we still see them collect the cs or push and pressure sidelanes, just with a lot more tricks and conflicts with the enemy team to watch out for
The guide explained stuff kinda badly. Basically always group for Baron, important drakes and when all side lanes are pushed out. You NEVER want to sidelane as an adc, because usually you lose every 1v1 (mostly bc you as a silver/gold/bronze/plat/iron player suck on adc) and beyond the early midgame, bc you as the adc are just too important for teamfights. If you split mid-late game, your team will get wiped and the enemy will just end. Best to push out two waves (one at your turret and the one after that) and then group, except when you are a split pushing champ or the enemy turret is low and you see everyone on the map.
As a Shaco Junlge (nearly 1 trick) I find myself running way more Siege / Speed / Split push . I run wisp / Sheen items (Like lichbane) and I run TP on shaco because I dont need flash and can also make unexpected cross map plays. I even sometimes run demolish. You get Voids, sheen, and demolish its GG. With Boxes and clones and TP I can non stop harass a lane. 2 or 3 people often run over to stop me but my team does not push. When we could actually see stats my map control was up near challenger... I mean im stuck in Iron but yeah. The other reason this works is because even if 2 or even 3 of the enemy know this and wave/lane control .... many dont
Play it as Yuumi or Millo support. I do something similar though since I play a mage support. Instead of split pushing, I look to setup vision traps and catch squishies which is usually the enemy support if they aren't tank. Then I burst them down and remove them from any up coming team fight. This is best with a high damage mage support like Lux, Xerath, or Brand. This only works though when ahead, even, or slightly behind the enemies. If you are too far behind then you don't have the power to burst anyone. Typically a support mage needs 1.5 items and level 11 to do this on squishies. This is going off the fact most squishies have around 1.6K health or less. You should be able to do 1.6K damage in a full rotation as a support mage at level 11.
Skillcapped you're really good. When I have my own budget I would definitely buy it. I suggest you make a Skillcapped plus for players who are highelo, and try to make them higher and higher till challenger or grandmaster for example. Ppl should have something after they quite lowelo.
I actually noticed that these split pushing laner are very often the reason I am losing. Im Support main and I am contemplaining playing something like lux mit tp.
Neeko with flash/tp is surprisingly good at splitpushing. You need to time your Q to get 2+ blooms, but when you're not actively using your abilities you can turn into caster minion so the enemy doesn't see you on the map. It greatly increases the difficulty of the first KC. Lux is insanely good at escaping chases because you can throw your E in front of you which makes them walk around or slows them into dmg. Both champions have a root as well, so that makes them even more slippery. Neeko's ult can be used to escape too, when you're not transformed the prep time of the ult forces them to stop chasing which increases distance or they stunned which also increases distance. I'm commenting bc they can both be used mid or sup, so whatever role you end up playing you can still try it (Neeko top also works this way)
Sure, sometimes, but nowhere near as frequently. Even in plat you'll start getting a lot more games where people respond properly to this kind of tactic. But the idea is that even in diamond, it's still useful to check if the enemies know what they're doing. And even if everyone does respond properly, you still want to play this way in general because splitting your team up like this helps everyone get their share of gold and exp. Only difference in high elo is that you can expect a lot less people to randomly die from it, on both teams.
What should I do as a jg main when they have a top laner who can 1v9 bc my top went 0/6 in lane and they keep pressuring us in the side lane? Do I try matching pressure in the opposite lane? Or go for the 3v1 to kill them? One of the knowledge checks is sending more than one person to defend but if we don't send 2 or 3 to defend the fed top laner they just end the game
Like in the video when you're weak u just dont fight and catch the wave, pushing it back out. If that top ends up coming back to push/overextend you can either attempt to take a fight with your new found gold. Or as a jg rotate to mid/and obj while their strongest player is catching the wave you just pushed out. The real strategy here is stall out waves to catch back up in the game when behind, at the end of the day if the enemy makes the right choice and you're behind you simply just lose.
so he can 1v9 and you ask if you should 1v3 him? doesnt that already answer your question? why fight him when you cant? collect gold to get as strong as him. if your champ has wave clear maybe just clear his wave as soon as you can without interacting with him. without wave he cant take tower.
@@sgxbot fair enough my statement wasn’t consistent and I agree clearing waves is a great defense but a fed top laner has no problem diving towers without minions
I am also curious about this. I have been in several games where a champion (usually a top laner; e.g, Trundle/Tryndamere) will consistently push a side lane at all times. The champion is able to kill anyone on my team (including me). From here there are usually two scenarios: 1. I try to hold the lane by killing the minions, but will be dove at the turret; the only way to stop them from ending the game solo is by losing pressure elsewhere because we need like three people to kill the attacker. 2. I am the lone person able to defend against the attacker, but as they're consistently pushing, I am essentially locked down as a permanent defender unless someone on my team helps me out. Assuming my team is losing the 4v4, it usually comes to a point where I have to defend against this sole attacker in the side lane as well as the other 4 enemies in the mid lane. I am currently in emerald and climbing as a top laner by usually avoiding this scenario early by winning lane. In the case of (1) happening, I usually lose the game. In the case of (2) happening, it usually depends on my team winning or losing (essentially a 50/50) or the enemy top laner giving up the pressure, allowing me to have an impact in the game. I would like to think I understood the video, but I can't seem to think of a way out in these scenarios. Do I just hope the enemy makes a mistake?
@@karimakl6314 I guess. At the end of the day, if your opponent doesn't make mistake when they ahead then you just lose. That's why, even in pro matches, comeback happens when the team that have advantage miss play.
Some questions that came up for me after watching this, a: werent there 2 threats in the Kaisa Game: Akshan and Morde? b: what would you build when you have to be prepared for either akshan or Morde? Else it seems like a good video, sad no top laner where shown xDD but I mean for that there are spilltpush video for them.
What’s the timing for this tho? As soon as you have the opportunity? Waiting for your team to start staging for a fight? Waiting to see multiple enemies far away on the map?
5:46 Nah, the biggest macro mistake players from any elo, not just low elo, make is to tilt when a guy on their team doesn't follow exactly what they're saying.
so what ur saying is i should use bausens law to perma push lanes and get heartsteel to scale a lot and when they send a defender i can just waste time whlie getting a tower? shit i need more cofee
Sometimes your teammates are all that’s missing to win. Had a jg drop rift in my lane when I was hard winning and top already got tower, instead of bot who didn’t win and is struggling to get tower. CS is king in low elo all you have to do is manage the wave properly and leverage your game knowledge on if you could win certain fights and prioritize
This right here is exactly the reason why I play exclusively ARAMs in the last 8 years. The "fun" part in league are teamfights, yes, it's effective to even avoid grouping up and split push (easily up to dia). ..and it's incredibly boring, it's boring to be 30min splitpushing to win, or have a teammate who is splitpushing - refusing to group up.
The issue I keep running into in bronze is they usually send multiple defenders and my team doesn't try to push at all while I got multiple people on me. Then they rage when I may die (most times I manage to get away).
im low silver and i've been trying to learn macro from bauss with his ap jax build, taking care of side lanes always gives me so much gold, but every time i dont group up for some meaningless team fight against the way stronger enemy team i always get pinged and resisting that peer pressure to join them and die for nothing while our side lanes are being pushed by minions was the hardest part
It implies splitpushing, if enemies don't send anyone is always right choice without considering, that enemy team might use numbers advantage to win a teamfight and push faster, so you end up in a losing base race.
2 problems. 1, if they send multiple defenders in low elo odds are your team will wipe even with numbers. 2, a lot of my games start with my team feeding 20 kills by the 15 minute mark and can't hold a tower...if I stay splitting, I'm trading 2 towers for 4 and an inhib because my teams are almost always wotlrthless. In games like this, you can't afford to die once in the mid game or it's over.
Assuming you're the person with the most gold in your team, how can you alone stop this? If your team is inting and you're ahead 1 guy on the enemy team what's the point of fighting? If you splitpush you get gold and open up enemy's map. If you stay and fight u might get a kill or you might get wiped along with ur team. What's the point?
@Smoky701 exactly, even if you have the most gold, you can't push faster than 5 and normally the enemy team is 8k gold up by the mid game so you can't team fight. I thought the 1v9 wouldn't be as bad in Plat but it's just as bad as bronze. If my teammates can at least go close to even I win almost every game.
Kaisa cait are absolutely not weak duellists at this elo... Especially not cait. I often get free turrets this way, but with mf, unless I have a full item lead, I can’t never burst out anyone that’s not especially squishy. Does that mean that low elo adc that are more macro-oriented should focus on 1v1 champs? That said, thanks for the knowledge, great video!
Question wouldnt you have failed the knowledge check because camille is closer to your tower then you are to theirs and you have a better chance defending against camille then your team? Or did you just avoid fighting camille since she's stronger? And if she is stronger than you and your team couldnt she just straight up end the game?
I get skill checked by my own support constantly. Not wanting lvl 2 all in. Destroying a freeze. Roamin when grubs are down. Staying when they are up. Forgetting my existence in late game to shield malphite
@9:00 this is the most frustrating part of the game for me, I have no idea who I can and cannot take on in any given game. I will be 2-0 and pick a fight with someone 0-3 thinking im ahead and they destroy me. I dont know how im supposed to know how I can win the fight with so many champions most of which ive never played
See my issue with this is that I am a jungle main and usually it's the top laner doing this kind of split pushing. We're basically always forced into a 4v5. Even if someone were to match the top laners split push that's still our (most of the time) bruiser/tank out of a potential winnable teamfight. This is why I hate champs that build Hullbreaker or literally thrive off of split pushing like Yorick for example. They are never there for objectives or team fights.
What a toplaner should do is split push while team is pressuring map, if enemy team sends someone that toplaner should rotate to teamfight with tp for numbers advantage or 1v1 enemy laner if they arent strong enough to defend...
most times the teamfights are useless, unless your defending or going for objectives why aram mid lol and if your 4v5 long enough most times a good split puser like gwen can easily take 2 turrets or even an inhib
I have a question: I usually see that waves can auto slow push if set in a specific state. What is the rule of thumb to execute it? So I can slow push automatically in side and group?
@strawberrycrapcookie5784 it's true, but item counters are variable, because not every enemy is going to build the same. Is the enemy Malphite building tank or ap? The items you buy will change. Ap malphite, but he's the only Ap on his team and theyre all ad?? Your items will change again. It's situational.
You can use this as Janna. You can ping caution if you've lost the push edge for the level 2 check. On my way pings on the enemy champions if you're likely going to hit 2 first. You can also direct your most fed laner to the best lane assignment. This is especially good if they're an innate split pusher. So, if your Yorick top takes two towers top early you tell him to go bot assuming those towers are up and direct your ADC to another lane. You can also setup vision for them in the quadrant they'll often be over extending in. You can also say "save TP for good backdoor opportunity"; they'll often get a lot more value out of their TP.
Okay one game I played aatrox top and my team was throwing it from early on, I stayed on my lane for most of early and mid game to create a lead of my own compared to my lane opponent. At one point I realized that not even the enemy top nor the enemy jungle that had their fair share of feed from my teammates was able to stop me in a 2v1, which is when I started to agressive,y side lane lane taking 2 towers top, one mid and one bot. My team in the meantime did really nothing except for continuing to feed and keeping the enemy busy in mid lane while I pushed. So my serious question is, should there have been a point where I should have stopped sidelining to team up with my team that was heavily behind? I decided to do the opposite and sticked to sidelaning until the enemy eventually overwhelmed my whole team and the death timers were long enough for the to end. So what should I have done?
But what happens when you play immobile mages mid lane but the enemy team is always perma grouping and just running around the map together doing absolutely no macro nor pushing out lanes? How do you split push there or side lane when there’s no vision on little to nobody? That happens a lot and why I’m always scared to sidelane as a mid player. (At least in the games where the enemy team does this)
Well ward everything that you can and you will see vor your self when to pusch and when to group. Its more like the enemy does not cnow your power and what it bring in to fight.
man imma be fr I don't remember the last time my teammates didn't listen to my calls, be a confident and strong leader and they will listen. even if you aren't confident, bullshit your way through and eventually you'll realize it was never bullshit at all.
This is cool, bur what do you do when your team loses the 4v5 and then the enemy team takes mid, you go back to try and clear wave, then they dive and kill you. Now the entire enemy team has dragon soul, baron, and is running down mid into your 5 teammates and you might be 3 or 4 items, but the entire enemy team has 3 items and your team only has 2 and a half items?
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I subscribed but the lack of autoplay made me cancel.
So afk farm and split push until you can 1v9
No lies detected
this kinda worked for me when i was silver till gold but in plat it did not work
@@Bjbjbj1999 of course not, its a meme and it all depends on the game, but until Gold plat this is almost 100% true. If you dont rotate when u should then u should obviously lose still
Yes
And hope that you can 1v9 *
Remember WARD JNG before pushing a lane
Lee asking the real questions though 2:05
I remember i heard something about that when lee gets blinded he actually stops being blind, but since he is used to the darkness, the vision pretty much just flashbangs him, so he can't use his other senses i guess.
😂
Came to comment the same hahah
I thought it was just calling him a blind teammate, I completely forgot he was blind lol
@@bambampewpew32 dragon slayer lee sin skin- (i didnt see that coming)
I see some comments saying this specific idea only works until gold, plat, etc. That might be true if you only look at the surface. Mindlessly split pushing will stop working pretty quickly.
I think there's a LOT more here than that, though. It's not even hidden info, you just have to take this idea and be creative. Come up withy our own knowledge checks. I'm a support main, and I can knowledge check the enemies constantly in ways that aren't split pushing.
One example is the 20 minute baron. Given the right team comp and not being behind, you can setup baron vision / waves at 18-19 minutes, then kill it if the enemies don't know to contest vision or aren't around top jungle. They often are, but when they aren't, they'll literally let you take a baron you have no right taking. Same with dragon at earlier timers.
Another more creative one is invading enemy jungle if you don't need to recall and the enemy duo just based. If you're against a lower threat jungler you know can't kill you and you're ranged (Karma is great at this), you can do that standard river ward, then do a very shallow invade and chunk the enemy jungler if he's on gromp / krugs. If the enemy jungler doesn't realize how vulnerable he is with his support in base, you just win a ton of HP and time off of him.
There are soooooo many things to knowledge check that I 'm sure I'm not aware of. Don't take this at face value. Come up with your own repertoire of checks you know about, but lots of people at your ELO don't :) And once you climb enough for them to stop working as often, get creative again.
Wow i would have lost that knowledge check. I'm pretty new. It feels so obvious in hindsight lol.
@@jinnybeatsthere's tons of knowledge checks like this. same goes for tp advantage. if an objective is up and you see an enemy player pushing sides with no tp you can force the objective and most likely win the fight and objective.
People say the real swamp is low elo which feels luck based and further on is smooth sailing but complain when they find a strat that works to get you out of there but stops being as effective higher up 🤷♂️
base on luck time of day and how many normal ppl u have in ur team u can get diamond lots of boosted noobs and bought acc.
Most idiots invade the gromp right when the enemy botlane is walking back to lane around their tier 2 turret...
What this video has taught me is that we definitely need first-person league of legends.
I belive it already exsist, game is called smite.
@@mattheawfrederick5696 that’d be third person. It views from over the shoulder behind them. First person is directly from their perspective.
I randomely started doing this cause nothing else worked and my team mates oftenly spampinged or flamed me at first. But i won alot of games like this. Ty for the video and clerification 👍🏻
there are 2 types of players thouse who want kills and to fight and thouse who take down towers and win the game they flame u cuz ur doing the right thing and there pist ur not dying with them all they want is kills dont fall in to that trap /deafen
Back in 2021 I mained top lane Ryze for like 3 months. I climbed from silver to platinum, without ever having improved my play, simply because I was free to sidelane every game, with a free escape (R) and a free "in" for every objective fight (TP)
Lux runs tops side and does whole lot of nothing. Relatable
She was getting her steps in
@@dragonmage372 yea for the void boots!!
24:56 they sent YUMMI to defend
Quite often I am that yuumi because literally nobody else is paying attention lol
*Yuumi, not yummy 😂
Hey, dont shame her, she is probably the adc of her team, just doing her job!
I like how he says "The red team 'sends' this person" as if they were coordinating it. But in reality, we ALL know that those people decided on their own accord to just do their own thing
I'm learning so much from this Channel! In knowing what knowledge checks to do, it also teaches me what to do when roles are reversed. How to recognize knowledge checks, and respond accordingly.
Honestly, since I made a few simple changes you suggest in your videos, my win rate sky rocketed. I'm now carrying teams as Tristana bottom, last shotting minions early game, and have realized that every little advantage you get adds up.
I'm thinking of signing up for Skill Capped, because just from your videos alone, LoL has gone from being frustrating, to fun. That, and now I'm in a higher ELO with players better since I started using the tips! XD
I laughed so hard at the darius running away with the "nu uh" above their head, so many of us can relate XD
11:15 - 11:35 Sooo relatable.. EVERYTIME!!
I love the idea of knowledge checking! As a garen 1trick I win almost no lanes, but I was telling a coach a while ago I "idiot check" every single opponent wave 1 by trying to get the lvl 2 push / posturing like I want to trade. A lot of times champions that crush me like Trynd or Darius let me zone them off xp level 1 lol
this upload couldnt have hit at a better time, just q'd up
Technically, since you queued up at that time it would've been better in your case if the upload was a few minutes sooner, given the video length
Thank you for sharing this content for free!
so I usually get flamed as a mid player for not always going to a team fight that we are out numbered. I usually prioritize farm/towers until objs are up and the jg is actually doing their job.
in my case as an ADC i see a lot of mids/tops taking TP but use it for their own lane and what they do prio to that?the group mid doing ARAM Mode with 2 TP's up while sidelanes are ignored
Were you in my game today 😂
The most likely scenario when playing side lane in silver is many opponents coming for you and then your whole team joining you, arriving after you died, and losing the fight without taking anything on the map.
09:41 "told you, ez win" xD
17:46 "A lot of threats are missing." (Mordekaiser)
Bro you can see Mordekaiser mid xD xD
he disappeared in the next 2 seconds
2:07
I like when Lee questions his existence
Thank you for making these videos. Very helpful information for those people who really want to improve can get high ranks and maybe aspire for more. Hopefully, young kids can see this and start climbing. Maybe one day these kids can make NA Proud at the pro scene and especially at international
It worked for me but after 3 matches the matchmaking go crazy and you find only smurfs that knows what are you doing and is gg
Know issue of your lp and invisible mmr being out of sync, if this starts to happen what you need to do, and this is gonna sound stupid, is dodge 5 games in a row, no joke and it'll be normal games again. sure your gonna lose 25 lp but your sanity will be saved.
Man I had the start of this split, played brand jungle. Steamrolled through than came in some kind of an smurf queue and I didnt know what happend lmao…
Wow i have to try... but IMO smurfs are the real problem of this game
I have been getting a ton of people solo pushing non-stop in my League ranked games lately. They have probably watched this video. Needless to say, this approach ends up with a DEFEAT for my team in about 90% of cases
Knowledge check 3 is always rough like your team will see you have no way to win a 1v3 but you’re tanky and then they all come to help against a laner 2 lvls ahead of them
gonna try this with alistar support
Calling my team mates headless chickens is probably the best analogy I've ever heard of
Love these vids. Went from Gold I to Emerald IV in like a week just by learning macro
Anivia is one of my favorite split push champs for control mages, I've found her to be incredibly efficient at clearing the waves before they even hit yours, making huge waves at towers.
All of Neace's coaching videos combined, summed up in 25 minutes, and then some, alongside narrations read from Sun Tzu, and with infinitely less (see: no) screaming. Mention your D4 friends for 17:20 and 22:30 marks... :D
Thank you for this guide, but my question is: when to look for team plays then ? When should I group and teamfight ?
when your team is already covering sidelanes and properly knowledge checking the opponent
You are basically ‘split pushing’ objectives, enemy jungle, and/or mid towers with your group by then
The same principles apply to teamfighting as split pushing.
Are they sending people to match you? If not, you win
Are they sending numerous/strong enough people able to match your 2-4 man group in teamfights? If not, you win
Are they sending too many / too strong people to teamfight vs your group? If YES, you stall and win
Of course there’s more things you can do in between to make yourself win even harder, but for low elo it’s great to focus mostly on these principles.
In pro, we often see more teamfighting because they have full control over their teammates’ actions and can always meet the knowledge checks.
Even then we still see them collect the cs or push and pressure sidelanes, just with a lot more tricks and conflicts with the enemy team to watch out for
The guide explained stuff kinda badly. Basically always group for Baron, important drakes and when all side lanes are pushed out. You NEVER want to sidelane as an adc, because usually you lose every 1v1 (mostly bc you as a silver/gold/bronze/plat/iron player suck on adc) and beyond the early midgame, bc you as the adc are just too important for teamfights. If you split mid-late game, your team will get wiped and the enemy will just end.
Best to push out two waves (one at your turret and the one after that) and then group, except when you are a split pushing champ or the enemy turret is low and you see everyone on the map.
@@baum6664 Congratulations, your explanation goes completely against the essence of what the video is trying to convey.
Thank you so much. I have learned a lot of useful knowledge about macro. I can't wait to try them in the real game!
Damn, not the camille having an all u can eat Toplane Mukbang... 💀
I'm fond of this tactic, because it eschews the chaos of low elo while empowering me to ignore my support player
As a Shaco Junlge (nearly 1 trick) I find myself running way more Siege / Speed / Split push . I run wisp / Sheen items (Like lichbane) and I run TP on shaco because I dont need flash and can also make unexpected cross map plays. I even sometimes run demolish. You get Voids, sheen, and demolish its GG.
With Boxes and clones and TP I can non stop harass a lane. 2 or 3 people often run over to stop me but my team does not push.
When we could actually see stats my map control was up near challenger... I mean im stuck in Iron but yeah.
The other reason this works is because even if 2 or even 3 of the enemy know this and wave/lane control .... many dont
most helpful video in a while
Play it as Yuumi or Millo support. I do something similar though since I play a mage support. Instead of split pushing, I look to setup vision traps and catch squishies which is usually the enemy support if they aren't tank. Then I burst them down and remove them from any up coming team fight. This is best with a high damage mage support like Lux, Xerath, or Brand. This only works though when ahead, even, or slightly behind the enemies. If you are too far behind then you don't have the power to burst anyone. Typically a support mage needs 1.5 items and level 11 to do this on squishies. This is going off the fact most squishies have around 1.6K health or less. You should be able to do 1.6K damage in a full rotation as a support mage at level 11.
Skillcapped you're really good. When I have my own budget I would definitely buy it. I suggest you make a Skillcapped plus for players who are highelo, and try to make them higher and higher till challenger or grandmaster for example. Ppl should have something after they quite lowelo.
I actually noticed that these split pushing laner are very often the reason I am losing. Im Support main and I am contemplaining playing something like lux mit tp.
Neeko with flash/tp is surprisingly good at splitpushing. You need to time your Q to get 2+ blooms, but when you're not actively using your abilities you can turn into caster minion so the enemy doesn't see you on the map. It greatly increases the difficulty of the first KC.
Lux is insanely good at escaping chases because you can throw your E in front of you which makes them walk around or slows them into dmg. Both champions have a root as well, so that makes them even more slippery. Neeko's ult can be used to escape too, when you're not transformed the prep time of the ult forces them to stop chasing which increases distance or they stunned which also increases distance.
I'm commenting bc they can both be used mid or sup, so whatever role you end up playing you can still try it (Neeko top also works this way)
Does this video also apply for emerald/diamond or just the lower ranks?
It says low elo what do you think?
@@beartrap6367 it says lower ranks but visually shows emerald, thats why im confused, but thanks for the explenation
Sure, sometimes, but nowhere near as frequently. Even in plat you'll start getting a lot more games where people respond properly to this kind of tactic. But the idea is that even in diamond, it's still useful to check if the enemies know what they're doing. And even if everyone does respond properly, you still want to play this way in general because splitting your team up like this helps everyone get their share of gold and exp. Only difference in high elo is that you can expect a lot less people to randomly die from it, on both teams.
Mostly not.
What should I do as a jg main when they have a top laner who can 1v9 bc my top went 0/6 in lane and they keep pressuring us in the side lane? Do I try matching pressure in the opposite lane? Or go for the 3v1 to kill them? One of the knowledge checks is sending more than one person to defend but if we don't send 2 or 3 to defend the fed top laner they just end the game
Like in the video when you're weak u just dont fight and catch the wave, pushing it back out. If that top ends up coming back to push/overextend you can either attempt to take a fight with your new found gold. Or as a jg rotate to mid/and obj while their strongest player is catching the wave you just pushed out. The real strategy here is stall out waves to catch back up in the game when behind, at the end of the day if the enemy makes the right choice and you're behind you simply just lose.
so he can 1v9 and you ask if you should 1v3 him? doesnt that already answer your question? why fight him when you cant? collect gold to get as strong as him. if your champ has wave clear maybe just clear his wave as soon as you can without interacting with him. without wave he cant take tower.
@@sgxbot fair enough my statement wasn’t consistent and I agree clearing waves is a great defense but a fed top laner has no problem diving towers without minions
I am also curious about this. I have been in several games where a champion (usually a top laner; e.g, Trundle/Tryndamere) will consistently push a side lane at all times. The champion is able to kill anyone on my team (including me). From here there are usually two scenarios:
1. I try to hold the lane by killing the minions, but will be dove at the turret; the only way to stop them from ending the game solo is by losing pressure elsewhere because we need like three people to kill the attacker.
2. I am the lone person able to defend against the attacker, but as they're consistently pushing, I am essentially locked down as a permanent defender unless someone on my team helps me out. Assuming my team is losing the 4v4, it usually comes to a point where I have to defend against this sole attacker in the side lane as well as the other 4 enemies in the mid lane.
I am currently in emerald and climbing as a top laner by usually avoiding this scenario early by winning lane. In the case of (1) happening, I usually lose the game. In the case of (2) happening, it usually depends on my team winning or losing (essentially a 50/50) or the enemy top laner giving up the pressure, allowing me to have an impact in the game.
I would like to think I understood the video, but I can't seem to think of a way out in these scenarios. Do I just hope the enemy makes a mistake?
@@karimakl6314 I guess. At the end of the day, if your opponent doesn't make mistake when they ahead then you just lose. That's why, even in pro matches, comeback happens when the team that have advantage miss play.
Some questions that came up for me after watching this,
a: werent there 2 threats in the Kaisa Game: Akshan and Morde?
b: what would you build when you have to be prepared for either akshan or Morde?
Else it seems like a good video, sad no top laner where shown xDD but I mean for that there are spilltpush video for them.
What’s the timing for this tho? As soon as you have the opportunity? Waiting for your team to start staging for a fight? Waiting to see multiple enemies far away on the map?
this is the best skill capped video i've ever seen and I've been watching these for valorant too
5:46 Nah, the biggest macro mistake players from any elo, not just low elo, make is to tilt when a guy on their team doesn't follow exactly what they're saying.
so what ur saying is i should use bausens law to perma push lanes and get heartsteel to scale a lot and when they send a defender i can just waste time whlie getting a tower?
shit i need more cofee
Sometimes your teammates are all that’s missing to win. Had a jg drop rift in my lane when I was hard winning and top already got tower, instead of bot who didn’t win and is struggling to get tower. CS is king in low elo all you have to do is manage the wave properly and leverage your game knowledge on if you could win certain fights and prioritize
The battle of low elo is simply being at the mercy of how much your teammates might not understand concepts you have learned.
japanese import is having really good guides, props!
Does this video apply to all roles?
What about picking support with the intention of split pushing all game
This right here is exactly the reason why I play exclusively ARAMs in the last 8 years. The "fun" part in league are teamfights, yes, it's effective to even avoid grouping up and split push (easily up to dia). ..and it's incredibly boring, it's boring to be 30min splitpushing to win, or have a teammate who is splitpushing - refusing to group up.
The issue I keep running into in bronze is they usually send multiple defenders and my team doesn't try to push at all while I got multiple people on me. Then they rage when I may die (most times I manage to get away).
im low silver and i've been trying to learn macro from bauss with his ap jax build, taking care of side lanes always gives me so much gold, but every time i dont group up for some meaningless team fight against the way stronger enemy team i always get pinged and resisting that peer pressure to join them and die for nothing while our side lanes are being pushed by minions was the hardest part
Just be confident that you're smarter than your team. Don't listen to hardstuck silvers.
And be sure to give them the old thumbs up emote
@@dan5122 yea... but stupidity is contagious
I really appreciate you showing your mistakes. I feel like that's valuable information and not a lot of guides show what can go wrong.
Basically a diss track vs. that Mordekasier.
the first 20 seconds of this video goes SO HARD
We saw Akshan overextended and collapse him with 2 people - and we failed our own knowledge check by sending multiple people to defend
Wait... Kraken didn't have crit 4 months ago. When did you record this?
It implies splitpushing, if enemies don't send anyone is always right choice without considering, that enemy team might use numbers advantage to win a teamfight and push faster, so you end up in a losing base race.
That's when you type gg bot diff and vote yes
2 problems. 1, if they send multiple defenders in low elo odds are your team will wipe even with numbers. 2, a lot of my games start with my team feeding 20 kills by the 15 minute mark and can't hold a tower...if I stay splitting, I'm trading 2 towers for 4 and an inhib because my teams are almost always wotlrthless. In games like this, you can't afford to die once in the mid game or it's over.
Assuming you're the person with the most gold in your team, how can you alone stop this? If your team is inting and you're ahead 1 guy on the enemy team what's the point of fighting? If you splitpush you get gold and open up enemy's map. If you stay and fight u might get a kill or you might get wiped along with ur team. What's the point?
@Smoky701 exactly, even if you have the most gold, you can't push faster than 5 and normally the enemy team is 8k gold up by the mid game so you can't team fight. I thought the 1v9 wouldn't be as bad in Plat but it's just as bad as bronze. If my teammates can at least go close to even I win almost every game.
Kaisa cait are absolutely not weak duellists at this elo... Especially not cait. I often get free turrets this way, but with mf, unless I have a full item lead, I can’t never burst out anyone that’s not especially squishy. Does that mean that low elo adc that are more macro-oriented should focus on 1v1 champs?
That said, thanks for the knowledge, great video!
Is this strategy best with a good split pusher champs like tryndamere, trundle etc? I main Poppy, and I am not sure if she is suited for this.
you can always win against an empty lane. some champs do it slower some faster. it really doesnt matter
This video is insanely valuable.
Question wouldnt you have failed the knowledge check because camille is closer to your tower then you are to theirs and you have a better chance defending against camille then your team? Or did you just avoid fighting camille since she's stronger? And if she is stronger than you and your team couldnt she just straight up end the game?
I get skill checked by my own support constantly. Not wanting lvl 2 all in. Destroying a freeze. Roamin when grubs are down. Staying when they are up. Forgetting my existence in late game to shield malphite
it work so well ! as support to. I play shaco sup.
@9:00 this is the most frustrating part of the game for me, I have no idea who I can and cannot take on in any given game. I will be 2-0 and pick a fight with someone 0-3 thinking im ahead and they destroy me. I dont know how im supposed to know how I can win the fight with so many champions most of which ive never played
Should I wait to 1v1 the weak defender if enemies are still in fog of war, seems sketchy to apply pressure when enemies are missing.
See my issue with this is that I am a jungle main and usually it's the top laner doing this kind of split pushing. We're basically always forced into a 4v5. Even if someone were to match the top laners split push that's still our (most of the time) bruiser/tank out of a potential winnable teamfight. This is why I hate champs that build Hullbreaker or literally thrive off of split pushing like Yorick for example. They are never there for objectives or team fights.
yea but its literally impossible to lose for you if that were the case. their entire base would just dissapear
What a toplaner should do is split push while team is pressuring map, if enemy team sends someone that toplaner should rotate to teamfight with tp for numbers advantage or 1v1 enemy laner if they arent strong enough to defend...
most times the teamfights are useless, unless your defending or going for objectives why aram mid lol and if your 4v5 long enough most times a good split puser like gwen can easily take 2 turrets or even an inhib
Then ignore your stupid team and play around your fed top layer, it's ez
The problem is that 3 out of 4 of my teammates think that KDA is worth more than towers, objectives, farm
16:02 ok now THAT is hilarious.
that dose really work on 70% of my games
some of the advices, especially logic behind your advices is hilarious, how come u sell guides for commercially?
Push a side lane a Rengar or a Nocturne (Or some assassin) will just ult you and oneshots you gg wp :)
I have a question: I usually see that waves can auto slow push if set in a specific state. What is the rule of thumb to execute it? So I can slow push automatically in side and group?
Kill ranged minions
@@Rikent is it worth to leave more than half wave there then?
Does someone know a website that shows which items counter or are good against certain champions?
the recommended tab in the shop lol
The recommended tab sucks
@strawberrycrapcookie5784 it's true, but item counters are variable, because not every enemy is going to build the same.
Is the enemy Malphite building tank or ap? The items you buy will change. Ap malphite, but he's the only Ap on his team and theyre all ad?? Your items will change again. It's situational.
How effective are these splitpushing in low emerald? I'm a mid control mage player.
Not your job then, at least not as much as if you where a AD or attack speed mid.
It's good tactic too. Master+ is where your macro and mechanic need to evolve to win
Where discount link?
The darius nuh uh got me dieing 💀💀💀
Its always cool when you bring 3 of them across the map and your 4 teammates still lose a 4v2 at dragon pit.
How to do this playing supports like Janna? Should I just play a different champion to rank up?
You can use this as Janna. You can ping caution if you've lost the push edge for the level 2 check. On my way pings on the enemy champions if you're likely going to hit 2 first.
You can also direct your most fed laner to the best lane assignment. This is especially good if they're an innate split pusher. So, if your Yorick top takes two towers top early you tell him to go bot assuming those towers are up and direct your ADC to another lane. You can also setup vision for them in the quadrant they'll often be over extending in. You can also say "save TP for good backdoor opportunity"; they'll often get a lot more value out of their TP.
@@johnh1489 I was talking about the pushing strat. But this is useful too. Thx.
But what to do as a support? Cuz supports just can't push side lanes. How do I help my teammates use this concept?
I side push lanes all the time as zyra
Okay one game I played aatrox top and my team was throwing it from early on, I stayed on my lane for most of early and mid game to create a lead of my own compared to my lane opponent. At one point I realized that not even the enemy top nor the enemy jungle that had their fair share of feed from my teammates was able to stop me in a 2v1, which is when I started to agressive,y side lane lane taking 2 towers top, one mid and one bot. My team in the meantime did really nothing except for continuing to feed and keeping the enemy busy in mid lane while I pushed. So my serious question is, should there have been a point where I should have stopped sidelining to team up with my team that was heavily behind?
I decided to do the opposite and sticked to sidelaning until the enemy eventually overwhelmed my whole team and the death timers were long enough for the to end. So what should I have done?
Actually a very helpful video
Hahaha the diana game saying "told you ez win" is wild
What if im support or champ with not that good wave clear?
What about when you’re split pushing but your whole team dies right in our mid tower and the 4 of them push right through inhib? How is that a win
Ok but if every other player on your team is trying this same strat what do you do?
Learned new fancy words today! KNOWLEDGE CHECK! im gonna say this and flame my silver teammates :)
what my toplaner understand after this video - push always good
17:47 Mord wasn't actually missing 😅
I just started playing league and this seems so hard to pull off lmao, maybe I'll lear something else before I learn this *saved to watch later*
What do u do as support tho,,,,
But what happens when you play immobile mages mid lane but the enemy team is always perma grouping and just running around the map together doing absolutely no macro nor pushing out lanes? How do you split push there or side lane when there’s no vision on little to nobody? That happens a lot and why I’m always scared to sidelane as a mid player. (At least in the games where the enemy team does this)
Well ward everything that you can and you will see vor your self when to pusch and when to group. Its more like the enemy does not cnow your power and what it bring in to fight.
man imma be fr I don't remember the last time my teammates didn't listen to my calls, be a confident and strong leader and they will listen. even if you aren't confident, bullshit your way through and eventually you'll realize it was never bullshit at all.
This is cool, bur what do you do when your team loses the 4v5 and then the enemy team takes mid, you go back to try and clear wave, then they dive and kill you. Now the entire enemy team has dragon soul, baron, and is running down mid into your 5 teammates and you might be 3 or 4 items, but the entire enemy team has 3 items and your team only has 2 and a half items?
what if they have an assassin, when u split push?