Tesla CyberTRUCK or CyberRUST?? The TRUTH About Cybertruck Rusting Issue + How To Fix It!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- The Tesla Cybertruck has starting making its way to excited customer hands over the past several weeks. These non-employee deliveries are our first glimpses, unfiltered, of what to expect from Tesla's groundbreaking new truck.
But this week has been filled with countless articles claiming the Tesla Cybertruck is already starting to rust. There have been reports of supposed Cybertrucks rusting after being exposed to rain. Although the Cybertruck is made of Stainless Steel, apparently they are still rusting?
The lack of pictures and video online corroborating the articles makes it difficult to see for sure what is going on. With that, I was able to get in contact with a local subscriber who just yesterday took delivery of what he told me was "a rusted Cybertruck."
To my surprise, indeed there are specs of oxidation everywhere on his Cybertruck. This pattern is consistent and littered across every panel on his Cybertruck.
Here's the good news...although it seems alarming, there is an explanation to what is happening, and NO, the Cybertruck is NOT rusting.
After seeing Miguel's Cybertruck in person, I immediately recognized the specs as something I have seen before. Some time ago, I recall there being a batch of white cars shipped to the dealership I was working at that all had "rust" on them. After inspection, I learned that these small specs or oxidation that can't be removed by car wash are actually what is sometimes referred to as "Rust Dust."
Rust Dust is a micro particle of an alloy, a steel of many possibilities, that is found in the environment where metal is being polished, or from the wheels of a train transporting cars across country. When these micron sized particles of steel come off of a steel object, they can sometimes land and get trapped on the surface of cars, kind of like pollen in the spring. For the Cybertruck, these particles take hold in the pores of the Stainless Steel surface, and once exposed to rain or other moisture, they begin to oxidate.
This oxidation (being referred to as rusting) is now in the pours of the stainless and appears to be a rusting Cybertruck. In reality, these micro particles are not a part of the stainless body of the Cybertruck at all. Although these don't simply wipe away, they can be removed relatively easy.
The most effective way to remove these particles from the surface of the Cybertruck is to get liquid Bar Keepers Friend. This mild cutting agent will make quick work of the specs, removing them from the truck all together. The challenge after is that now the truck is exposing a fresh layer of the Stainless Steel that will begin the patina process all over.
In addition, cleaning the panels after this process can be challenging as the micro layer you removed will try to hold on to the stainless panel tight. What I found to be the most effective way to deal with this is by wiping away the excess Bar Keepers Friend, applying and removing glass cleaner on the entire panel. While using the glass cleaner, wipe away with 1 cloth, while closely following each stroke with a fresh and dry towel to prevent streaking.
When finished, if there are a lot of streaks, you will need to use Isopropyl Alcohol and a fresh microfiber towel to have streak free panels.
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Thanks for making this. I finally learned how to properly clean my fridge. 😉
Only the best for your Maytag premium appliances!
Now you are made of the wife material 😜
$100 grand for a fridge you can't wash??
@@meanwhileinsooke But the views man. THE VIEWS!
omg people are seriously like "hmm how do i fix this issue in my tesla" like the issue is totally normal.
Are you joking? You think those rust spots are coming from a train wheel and tracks? That's the craziest thing I ever heard.
cope harder lol
@@CastellanDraco cope over something I don't care about?
@@CastellanDracohe’s not storing his truck on a train
He meant to say the millions of cars with steel rotors that he’s driving down the road along getting rotor dust/metal particles from every truck and vehicle on the highway.
@@Themachinewon "meant to" but didn't say it
As it was explained to me many years ago by an engineer, it’s stainLESS, not stainFREE.
True statement sir! Most people (because not everyone studies elements) don't understand that stainless isn't just by itself. It's always mixed with some other metal to help with corrosion and rust resistance. The primary element is Chromium, and depending on the application it can be anywhere from 10% or higher. But you also have nickel, manganese, copper, Molybdenum, or even nitrogen. Some of these help add resistance to saltwater and some help with adding resistance to atmospheric elements when mixed with stainless steel. But I bet you one thing, the chemistry of the mixture Tesla is using will most definitely change over time as more these reports come out!
My 45 year old stainless steel kitchen sink has never shown a spot of rust.
@@hwirtwirt4500leave it outside for 45 years and report back. 😆
@@cjonesplay1 The sink wouldn't rust, it's made of the right material to do the job unlike the CyberFlop.
@@hwirtwirt4500 😂 ok.
We told you this would happen, no one listened. We are all laughing
I don’t want to laugh. I’m disgusted by Elon as a human, and I gave him credit to make the first electric car that wasn’t ugly. Until then, electrics seemed to be ugly on purpose. But then he got distracted with self driving, and then ignorant conspiracies on Twitter. And then the 4 year distraction of the truck while the other Tesla models have grown very stale. Are we watching what happens to everyone with so much money? Did Elon realize electric cars won’t solve climate problems and stopped caring? Imaging if Tesla had eliminated lithium from the batteries, or investigated hydrogen. So much effort and the well doesn’t even hold a standard bicycle.
@@pbinnj3250 he never cared. He's been a liar and conman his entire career
@@plexyglass429 I hope we will see some redemption for that trainwreck of a truck. Just talking for me, i never was a big sucker for Tesla as i dont enjoy their Interieurs and Elons believes, seizured or politics but THIS is a very good reason to consider Tesla at least twice, plus everybody should see how much bullshit his "At this point, nobody does know more about manufacturing about me" was. The pure arrogance. Selling this kind of quality makes my heart bleed and i worked at Mercedes during the hard times, we had a lot of shit too but never to this extend just with one single car in this short of a time in the streets, not even the legendary A-Class was that Shit 😅.
This is after ONE day! What’s it going to look like after 4+ years?! Exposed “stainless” steel was a bad idea.
Ever seen what a hot dog cart looks like after 20 years? Nothing cause stainless pretty much lasts a long time, rail dust is going to get on every surface including clear coats
Nah dawg it’s fine.
@@patricks5575Most hot dog carts are coated, painted, or wrapped. What a stupid example you provided 🤦
@@naughtysauce4323Dont forget hotdog carts arent on a highways and streets going 30-60+mph everyday. Tesla fans are airheads lol
@@TheBlackAztec3And that typically, they're wiped down if they want to keep operating or not give a nasty impression to any customers. I wouldn't get hotdog from a cart that looks like its as dirty as the street
Shops that fabricate in stainless steel typically do no work on standard mild steel. The dust from grinding mild steel and welding splatter can 'contaminate' stainless steel. The metal particles bond with the stainless and will rust. The iron oxide formed also bonds to stainless and you can't just wipe it off. Unfortunately iron oxide dust is almost everywhere in the environments where stainless trucks are driven.
They invented no contact air bending to keep tooling from contacting the stainless.
Iron as a mineral is even in vitamins, dirt and food. I've had rust on ceramic plates from hard water.
@@MotoGPatrickbro iron rust is literally in the human breathe, this God damn things are going to stain no matter what you do, just by being in close proximity to their owners they will eventually get nasty.
Not just that but the damn things are huge and have very sharp angles making them really difficult to clean continuously.
@@MotoGPatrickThat makes it way worse, so we can see that they knew exactly what @rossmacintosh5652 explained up here ist true, they also knew that it would be everywhere but they still said "fuck it" and now you can either have it clear coated by Tesla for 5000$, wrap it or be cool with it and call it Spot.
“A lot of work. A lot of cleaning.” 🤔 Not exactly low maintenance.
It's an ev. It's already high maintenance
@@FakeNews-y8i True
A Truck that gets dirty when left out side, shocker! There will be two types of people that have this vehicle. The first type will be people that want a “Save Queen” that’ll hate it getting dirty. The second type will actually use it. They’ll be used to trucks not only being dirty but also getting scratched and dented. Stainless is corrosion resistant metal that will naturally age but won’t disappear into a pile of rust like an old british sports car.
@@HorseRadish403What are you talking about? Most evs are very low maintenance usually.
@@psibug565This is not dirty. Are you serious?
Lmao. Wow. The amount of mental gymnastics these cybertruck goes thru to convince themselves they got a good purchase. Lolll. "Its easier to fool a person than to convince them they've been fooled"
Austenitic Stainless Steel alone has over 30 grades (303, 304, 316, 310 etc.). None of the Austenitic alloys are magnetic when forged, and the cybertruck is. Meaning this is probably Ferritic alloy, which is magnetic and surprise surprise, cheapest.
Austenitic steel CAN develop magnetic properties later in life, but seeing how every new cybertruck reacts to magnets, makes me doubt that this is Austenitic alloy.
Now, if there is iron in the mixture, and there is no protection coating whatsoever, this is going to rust. What one day seems like a dust, will quickly spread inside the panels. Sorry to say this, but Tesla is probably going to recall this product.
Truth!
there's no way you expect someone to meticulously clean every brake dust spot on their car lol. this is ridicilous
It's a marketing opportunity for detailers to charge 100 bucks a week to clean Cyber Trucks. This should be an easy expense for most owners given the savings on fuel.
Why is the drivers door a VASTLY different color?
That's insanely high maintenance for a vehicle designed for utility. There's no way an average Joe is going to spend the time to hand buff-out their entire vehicle on a weekly basis... while also preventing the rub marks from showing over time as you continue to remove layers of the stainless after months/years of use.
Average Joe wouldn't care. All they need to know is "Those are not rusting spot in your truck". But since there's so many anti Tesla people trying to point out how Cybertruck (or Tesla) is not PERPECT in every which way, many community members tends to come up with all kind of solutions to count such FUD.
Nope, any trucker with a brain knows this is not acceptable on release for 100k utility vehicle.. its just as simple as that.. you clearly don’t use trucks, its just a novelty for you and it shows in the product @@clncl98506
I just take my shit through car wash its a daily not a jay leno museum piece 😂
You don't need to do this weekly unless you are parking it on a moving railcar and/or next to a grinding wheel working mild steel. At this point, any car is going to have this stuff on the paint. The only unique situation here is that it's a cybertruck.
@@jeffgorchynski Not any car to the same level. This is something unique to the "stainless" body of the Cybertruck.
Some years ago, I had a white painted pick-up truck and noticed there were hundreds (maybe thousands) of spots of rust on the paint. I took it back to the dealer and he explained that it is actually called “rail dust”. Tiny particles of steel off of various wear items on other vehicles (brake drums and discs & etc.) that lands on other vehicles and causes these rust spots. We looked at it through a microscope and you could actually see that indeed it was a spot on the surface and you could easily remove it with rubbing compound or similar.
Why don’t we see them on painted cars?
@@rbs427 They’re just harder to see on darker colors. They’re very small. Small enough to behave like dust and get thrown up by other vehicles so they can land on the finish of other vehicles. If you took a good look for them on a darker colored car, you would find them, just as many as on a white car.
also had this on a white truck that was new, also told rail dust, think dealer tried a few things, from what I remember they came back though.
Rain it self can also contain iron oxides in very fine particle. Raindrops only form in the presence of dust no dust and it wont rain this is why cloud seeding works they seed the clouds with basically dust typically an oxide. But all your examples brake drums disks etc as well as train wheels and even from well you walking around on dry hardpack dirt that contains iron traces will kick that dust in the air where thermals take it in to the high atmosphere where rain forms. We breathe in iron dust and drink it in our water.
As far as protecting it from getting the particles on it to start with anything that is anti finger print will also prevent the rust dust from reacting. So any wax made for use with stainless will work here as well.
One such product i use on my knives that is also food safe and non toxic is clove oil. It has long been used for protecting carbon steels from rust such as those in kantanas. It also has the added benefit of smelling really good ROFL. But seriously a tiny bottle of the stuff will doo a full cyber truck a few ties when i say tiny bottle i talking sub 1oz bottle. What i would do is get a zip lock baggy a soft wipe rag and wipe the truck down with the clove oil then keep the rag in the baggy sealed so when you spot a blemish or finger print etc you can just do a quick touch up. A saturate cloth will last several years. Fact is i have a cloth from over 12 years ago that i have not added any clove oil to in a large pill bottle that is still damp with the stuff and just as useful today as it was 12 years ago.
And please no one buff a cyber truck in to a mirror would it be awesome to see sure but would it be safe for anyone near no and would be a pain to get back to normal
The problem is the average person today is too ignorant to understand what they are purchasing.
Looks like it's made with duplex stainless. Probably 2205 (ferrite/austenite mix) that has not been pickled or passivated. It will definitely rust when contaminated with carbon steel and the rust will just continue to be spread microscopically when you try to remove it with an abrasive cleaner. The next time it gets wet it would be apparent.
Ever notice how the Deloreans didn't rust? It's because it was austenitic stainless. I'll bet this will be a lifelong problem with the Tesla truck.
My prediction is that these (at least early models) are going to look like complete trash within 2-3 years.
I’d be curious about white vinegar. I’ve used white vinegar to remove rust from cast iron pans.
Steel touching stainless steel in a wet environment will undergo accelerated corrosion due to galvanic coupling. That's not going to be the only problem for the CT though. CTs near the ocean are going to pit and stain if not frequently washed.
Could you try using something like CARPRO's IronX next time you have this build up issue? I used to have what looked like rust spots on my motorcycle's white paint. I just needed to spray it on, let it sit a few minutes then rinse off. The spots were gone and doesn't even etch paint
He should have already made 6 more of these since that happened in 1 day.
The Cybertruck forum had some product called Protectaclear Coating. Apparently, it is not a SiO2 or TiO2 coating like traditional paint coatings. They claim it's a high molecular weight polymer coating (I suspect polyurethane/isocyanate based crosslinked polymer). Should be good to protect against UV, dirt, as well a provide oleophobic (fingerprint resistant) and hydrophobic properties. I've never heard about them, but my background in chemical and materials engineering had my interested.
$311 for a half bucket of that stuff, according to Amazon. That's ridiculous.
The whole point of this truck is to drive a clean set of angles that noone else can own. Everyone is going up touch it. Paint protective film is what you need to fix this problem & it's ridiculous the factory doesn't provide that OEM.
Both sides of all this is hillarious. Just buff on Colinite 845 like all the yachts and sportfishing boats do to their stainless that lasts longer then the rest of the boat.
What is the ASTM number of this stainless? if it is high on carbon it will rust.
Yep. Either accept the rust dust or spend about $6-12k on PPF. It'll be maddening to keep cleaning.
Cyber “truck”.. a black hole of cash jaja
So the CT attracts rust dust from the atmosphere.
Surely all vehicles would would also attract this onto paintwork?
I'm sure it does happen to painted vehicles to some extent, but It's probably less likely to adhere to painted surfaces. However, a lot of this maybe coming from the factory when the sheet stock is cut and shaped. Any tooling, rollers, mandrels etc. that contact the stock may transfer iron or steel particulate. The particles probably adhere at the nano level, maybe this is somehow related to how stainless fasteners can be so prone to galling. Anyhow, it may just indicate that the material was insufficiently passivated after factory forming processes.
You are the first besides me that mentioned PASSIVATION! Looks like Elon should have hired the Delorean Engineers to Passivate these, I haven't ever heard of their Stainless panels with this problem.@@mattgraham4340
All vehicles can have rust dust embedded in their exterior. Just search for products like IronX.
Car dealerships have been dealing with this for years from rail transport. It even happens on paint.
It sticks to PPF too...happens to my White Model Y in both PPF'ed areas and just painted areas.
shouldn't tesla do this before delivering the car to the customer or does tesla think its perfectly ok to deliver a $100,000 car with these defects
one must be a mega fan of Tesla if the buyer thinks this is completely ok
Read the room. The Muskrat copium is everywhere 😂🤣
Nah, Tesla knows that the kind of idiots who buy their cars don't care about defects
We call it fallout. There are several fallout remover sprays you can get from companies like Simoniz and others. I'd like to see somebody test fallout remover on the cybertruck showing this issue.
FYI I had this on my brand new VW GTI back in 2010. It was a white car, i took delivery in February here in Canada. After driving it a bit, i took it to an Autospa and used their track style pull through car wash. After i hand dried it, I saw orange spots all over my car. The autospa said it wasn't their fault, but i still think it was...they likely had "iron filing fallout" splashing up onto the car from their environment. From then on I took my car to a detailer who removed the fallout easily and it never returned.
Oof. Good luck to anyone who takes your advice and sprays liquid fallout remover on their CyberTruck…
PS: it wasn’t their fault.
You can't use fallout remover on stainless steel. Fallout remover interacts chemically with clearcoat on the paint surface of a normal car's paintjob to remove rust that's bonded to it. This is neither painted or clear coated. Technically, the proper thing to do is called passivation with Nitric Acid. The video uses Barkeeper's friend which is primarily Oxalic acid - same effect, but a little harsher on the steel than Nitric acid would be; however, Nitric acid is brutal on skin.
Yes, I think you are spot on - pun intended. I never realized until I had a white car the amount of iron in the environment from brakes, train tracks, etc. I use something really stinky called IronX. It smells like skunk butt but it dissolves the iron. It turns purple and just runs off the car. Not a Tesla apologist, but I think that’s what this is. It’s just showing up really well on the stainless.
Ok so yeah ironx or other fallout cleaner on stainless steel may not be wise. Try at your own risk :)
This.
It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.
Question. Did the delorean have this issue?
I looked around on the internet and couldn't find any reports of their stainless rusting. Reports of the undercarriage rusting... but that's not stainless
@@bfree6197 that's intriguing
@Iamonfire007 i just had to look more. I found recent TH-cam videos of a "DeLorean barn find 977 miles"
3rd video, in their series, First wash in 20 years. Mold and mildew had been growing on it. While washing, you can see the piles of mouse crap on the garage floor... I would imagine urine too. They pointed out some staining that easily wiped off with a rag and a product called Bar Keepers. Zero Rust. Car looked new afterwards.
You have to understand that there are different types of stainless steel. They are all alloys using different types of metals; some more prone to rusting and staining than others. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Tesla used a cheap version to reduce costs.
Rusting aside, I have learned to regret getting stainless steel appliances when I redid my kitchen. Enjoy the look of it brand new, because it will never look the same after a few uses. I have yet to find a stainless polish that cleans well without feeling greasy or leaving wipe marks. Can't wait to go back to black appliances. And these are sitting in my kitchen. Now imagine them outside being exposed to the elements.
@robertgreenhalge1708 Tesla applied for a patent on a blend they developed "in house". You can easily find that online for more details. I don't think they have to worry about anyone trying to steal it😂
I'm a knife maker and it's crazy how many people think stainless steel won't rust. That's absolutely not true. The majority of stainless steels WILL rust. It's stain-less, not stainfree. Stainless steel comes in many different chemical makeups which determine it's stain fighting capabilities, hardness and brittleness. The only 2 (maybe 3) kinds of stainless steel that i know of that actually will not stain, are on the softer side of the spectrum as far as steel goes. In the knife world that makes them dull quicker then others but also make sharpening easy and fast. Not relevant here but just to get an idea of the differences in steels.
Brake discs are a potential source for rust dust.
That is not rust, just polluted rain that got into porous areas.
There is also iron remover spray that can remove the particles you can’t see with the naked eye. Ford made 6 1936 cars from stainless steel by Allegheny Steel. They were driven around the US by sales reps. The one in a Pittsburgh museum has more than 300,000 miles and is rust free. They also made 6 stainless steel 1960 Thunderbirds and 6 1967 Lincoln Continental convertibles (worth more than $2,000,000 each).
I saw the 1936 Deluxe and the 1960 Thunderbird at an auto show years ago. The body parts matched exactly the standard production pieces with all the same curves and contours, apparently they had no problem forming them. The Thunderbird had over 300K miles, the Deluxe about 500K. No rust or pitting whatsoever on either vehicle. The Lincoln wasn't there but a real stainless steel 1967 Lincoln convertible with suicide doors would be the ultimate summer cruiser.
It’s possible that the Fe particles are migrating from the alloy at the grain boundaries and escaping the passivation layer. The cleaning needs to etch clean the layer. It’s likely free Fe migration. And yes I am a metallurgist! I’d love to analyze it…
I have those tiny specs on my white GTI before it looks like rust too cos of the rust call color but it's just a dust and dirt from the road that stick to it and started to change color maybe a iron dust that went airborn
The stainless isn't rusting on it's own, but the specs of rail dust is rusting on the surface. It's still not good. They need to cover the cars during delivery
I worked for a luxury car brand in the past and a lot of the cars were FULLY covered and it was chore to uncover them but protected the vehicles in transport. I wonder why Tesla doesn't do the same because protecting a vehicle(s) in transport is nothing new.
Hey B, thanks for the video! I guess all the Tesla haters will hate you for this one😅. I’m glad you found a simple solution for a simple issue.
Owner's manual states "To prevent damage to the exterior, immediately remove corrosive substances (such as grease, oil, bird droppings, tree resin, dead insects, tar spots, road salt, industrial fallout, etc.)" Bulletproof, but thwarted by bird poop 🤣
@@victorcadoret259What that says in the owners manual would work the same way for any car. It’s generally good advice even if you don’t have a cybertruck.
@@CommanderTexas LOL yeah sure and everyone needs to use Barkeepers Friend on their car. Owners of this high-maintenance metal are starting to use vinyl wraps because the body is so delicate. There are easier and far cheaper ways to get attention in this world than to own one of these trucks.
Fan boys gonna fan 😂
So everytime you take this out in Seattle, like? You have to spend four hours , handbuffing the vehichle...????
That's a bad case of iron particle spots, but I've had them at some point on every vehicle's clear I've owned in the past..I have the curse of liking white cars and it's unavoidable. Usually it's worse at delivery from however they ship them.
It's very easy to damage clear/paint getting them off. It's nice that stainless will be less finicky there.
Lmao the copious copium from muskrats 😂🤣
I grew up maintaining boats in saltwater along the gulf. I've seen everything from 304 to 316 stainless steel develop surface rust over time due to the sodium chloride exposure from the marine environment. The saltwater can become airborne during heavy storms and gets blown inland along the coast.
For boats you basically cover everything with a film of wax to help protect it from the sun and these elements. This includes any stainless steel you have on the boat. In these environments, raw 304 stainless will begin rusting within days/weeks but 316 performs much much better. I'm curious what blend of stainless steel they are using?
It will be interesting to see how this plays out for these vehicles in coastal environments. I suspect we'll see more of this until people start protecting the metal with some type of film... Time to start waxing boys!
Apparently Tesla created a proprietary stainless steel that was first used on the Space X rocket, & then used for the CT. What I'd like to know is how it compares to 316 SS. I have not researched what makes it different/better than existing SS, but apparently Tesla felt what they created was better (?) than what is already on the market. If it's rusting so quickly, is it better? Maybe in another aspect...?
@@XTine1084 I've read on other forums that it is basically some proprietary blend close to 304. I would be a bit surprised if that was actually true but if it is that doesn't bode well for coastal environments!?!?!
Take it to Buffalo next winter, the entire season. Don't worry, it's under "warranty". 😂
What a high maintenance vehicle.
Yes, it takes effort to be cool.
If you're super cool though, you can brag about how you can easily afford to have someone else do the work every week.
If you're Uber cool you can brag about how aspiring Tesla fans compete for the privilege to buff out your Cyber Truck for free
What about using a wax to prevent the rust dust from sticking?
take a buffing disk with some light compound, clean the truck, then buff in a wax coat, that was my thought also.
Or paint!! Then they could have varying colors!! Oh... wait... that's been done already...
@@JR-ng9yo paint doesn't stick well to stainless steel, ask the DeLorean.
@@michaelkeudel8770 Ohhhhhhhhhh.... never mind.
@@michaelkeudel8770hmm how about using a differnt light weight material and painting over that. Could be the future.
I agree, anything stainless can pit, have corrosion. Just look at your pots and flatware in your kitchen-you will find signs of rust. If one must obsess, diligently clean with a gentle, low abrasive sponge and water. But avoid Brillo pads, magic erasers, green pot scrubbers, and I would be fearful of any waxing or so-called protective coatings that could leave harmful residuals. Maybe rust isn’t so bad; think of it as a patina? Maybe Tesla should have a copper clad version that turns green with age, hmm?
My SS “silverware” doesn’t seem to pit after 50 years of daily use.
@@Jethr001 It would if you left them outside near a train track.
Grade 18/8 (Series 304): Made up of 18% chromium and 8% nickel. This grade is highly rust-resistant.
Grade 18/10 (Series 316): Made up of 18% chromium and 10% nickel. This high grade is rust-proof and holds its polish well.
@@hwirtwirt4500 I have no knowledge of the precise formula for the truck, just a little chemistry. I lived in an oceanic climate where everything seemed to be vulnerable to corrosion, even brass and nickel plated door handles.
So crazy! I just saw one yesterday and thought it looked like somebody painted it with a rattle can. Now I know why. 😮
Great video, thank you for putting this together! Look forward to future insights.
It is not little bits of iron blowing in from somewhere and beginning to rust. It is The truck that is rusting! Pitting in a spotted pattern is commonly seen with stainless steel undergoing electrolysis started by exposure to chlorides. My experince comes from working on autoclaves made of 316 stainless (highly corrosion resistant) and people who did some very foolish things including the placement of bleach in these same autoclaves. The chlorides may come from any number of sources, they are highly soluble in water, and are highly corrosive to most metals. Information on how the chloride anion catalyzes the formation of iron oxide in SS is easily found. Barkeepers Friend contains oxalic acid which is a chemical chelator. There are a number of other compounds that function as chelators that are also used in various metal polishes and cleaners. How they work is observed here and information on their mode of action is easily found elsewhere. The powder in polishes is usually a mild abrasive such as talc which assists in the mechanical removal of the metal oxides once they have been chelated. My thoughts are to leave some sort of hydrophobic film on the surface of the SS after the rust is removed. And, any rust must be removed before extensive pitting becomes evident! Water is the medium where rust forming reactions start. It is a chromium oxide layer that forms on the surface of stainless steel that makes it resistant to rust, but chlorides go right through this passivated layer with no trouble and react with the iron component in SS. So if road salt is used in your area, just keep it in a barn for the next 50 years next to your unopened Billy Beer and Beatles lunch box and patiently wait for it to be one of the few that still exist. Prolonged contact with ungalvanized carbon steal will also damage stainless steel. In this case, it is the movement of electrons between two dissimilar metals resulting in the oxidation of one, usually the iron component in stainless steel. We should not be surprised if Musk where to build and market a cement airplane soon. It should prove to be a real gem.
It is NOT called "rust-free" but "stainless" for a reason 😂😂😂
Nobody claimed it was rust-free...
@@SubjectiveFunny exactly my point. that is why complaining about rust is funny
Funny, translated from dutch we call it rust-free steel
@@tesla-spectreSo you're ok with paying over 100k for a car that starts to rust weeks after purchase?
@@atheistmecca971 i would never buy a CT for many readons. all I say is they never promised that it is rust free. that unprotected stainless will start rusting in no time is very logical...
So this is essentially rusty dirt that has landed on the truck, rather than rust from the truck itself, but you need a cutting agent to remove it? So this layer of partical debris which has simply fallen on the surface of this $100k luxury truck cannot be removed without literally stripping away the top layer of metal from the vehicle...
It sounds like the rust is in the top layer of metal of the truck, not just sitting on it. If not, then how do you clean this truck at all? With a cutting agent every time?
its the same for painted cars. This is nothing new. Even painted cars that get this stuff on the surface have to be polished to get it off. The oxidation makes it really latch on, meaning it wont wipe off with just water or glass cleaner
@@BeardedTeslaGuy It still seems like a bit of a design flaw. Clear coats and wax can keep your car easily cleanable from most things, even caked on dirt. Having to use a cutting agent in order to clean your car at all is not a good thing.
Also, rust flakes landing on metal will actually rust the metal underneath. The electrochemical reaction will try to equalize the good metal with the bad, causing the good metal to degrade. This is why once something is rusted it never really goes away unless you introduce a metal with a higher charge, like zinc, to prevent the rust from attacking the base metal.
Or cover it in a patina, but that obviously isn't an option for a car.
So, if I remove all these "spots" , do new spots start to form immediately?
Only if you drive through a cloud of metal particles.
It's called "industrial fallout". It's just iron that's falling onto the surface. Clean it with iron remover when you wash the truck. Simple. It's the same iron that's on top of painted cars. Which is why we use iron remover before polishing a painted vehicle. Iron remover, just spray on then hose it off with water. No scrubbing needed, therefore no scratches. Now to be clear I have not tried iron remover on a non painted or clear coated surface so I would suggest trying it in an inconspicuous spot first.
I have the same issue with my 2020 Kia Soul EV, I use a chemical application of AutoGlym Magma to remove the embedded iron particles that change them to a purple color and allows you to simply wipe it off, then rinse and apply a wax or Ceramic coating after. These not only come from Train Rails but mainly also worn steel belted redial tire.
That would very possibly not work on this type of steel.
all cast iron brakes on all cars? that must also contribute to the metal dust
@@jvsyoutube3298 Lets say a car needs new brake discs after every 100.000km or 60.000 miles.
That is (external diameter) 314 mm x Pi - (internal diameter) 180mm x Pi x 2mm x 4 = 3366 mm³ or for cast iron: 24 grams.
A NEW fossil car produces max. 0,0045 gr/km x 100.000km = 450 grams. From burning fossil fuel alone.
An old fossil burner, a old truck, a coal burner or a old petrol engine produce up to 100 gr/km.
When polishing airstreams, they advise not polishing in circles. They suggest polishing in the direction of the metal.
But it's made of aluminum, it's a soft metal.
We have salt air in Floriday, my guy! This happens on boats all the time. Eventually, you'll have only two choices: develop a "protective patina" or clean and coat (corrosion inhibitor) your stainless...
Did you even watch the video? A coating won’t do anything for environmental contaminants that land on the car. That’s what’s rusting.
@@ericy.2108 did you even own a car?😂
Not going to be that good when off roading as all dirt has varying percentages of iron oxide in it, going to be rather busy cleaning to prevent staining. Better to wrap as soon as you purchase vehicle.
Really not a vehicle that should be used outside. Otherwise it is great.
Ridiculous. Watch the video.
Facts about Stainless steel, it’s naturally corrosive-resistant. Stainless steel isn’t rust-proof. Stainless steel is only “stainless” which doesn’t mean its strain-proof. Anything made of Iron will rust, additionally iron can be found in water, which if the object makes contact with iron-contaminated water isnt dried properly the object will rust or have rust powder. Calcium can also corrode metals like steel, from dried water.
Basically the manual says anything in life can affect it over time. Only thing to prevent washing/cleaning it daily is to wrap it,
Try Mcguiar's Paint Protect. I use it on stainless kitchen appliances.
It's the same manual on all cars. You don't need to wash it everyday
Steel dust is everywhere. I work with leather and you have to be careful… some leathers develop little greenish black dots from steel dust just in the air.
Yep
great video! After applying barkeepers friend to the whole truck and removing all the tiny rust spots, how long before the rust comes back? Is this treatment something you would have to do once a week or something?
Probably and that’s too much work 🫠
You don't need to do this weekly unless you are parking it on a moving railcar and/or next to a grinding wheel working mild steel. At this point, any car is going to have this stuff on the paint. The only unique situation here is that it's a cybertruck.
Once a year i would guess if you dont want them to pile up to much. They will come back because thats just how it is, Ironparticles are on the road, every car that brakes befor you and your breaks too throw them on your car
WITH THE BARKEEPERS FRIEND THE FINISH LOOKED LIKE HELL! SPOTS AND NO GLOSS, WRECKED THE LOOKS OF IT, THIS
MIGHT JUST BE THE START OF SOMETHING BIG.
Same issue with white painted cars near steel factories, like Hamilton, Ontario Canada.
Thank you for sharing this. I own a Cybertruck. I am enjoying it a lot. It's not hard to take care of it.
Great video! Definitely learned something. Thx!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Its literally Flash Rust. Every Metal Rusts, even Stainless Steel. Just poor choice of material for a car. Needs immediately a wrap after delivery.
is there any rail dust on the other sides of the panels? this would narrow down where the dust is originating from.
Rail dust is everywhere. All over the streets and highways we drive on. It is constantly landing on our vehicles. You can’t avoid it. Wash your vehicle more often and, in the case of a Cybertruck, I’d probably experiment with a scotch-brite pad to take it off the stainless steel. On painted vehicles, I’ve used polish with a very mild abrasive in it.
I've never seen someone make a video to try and justify a poor quality expensive purchase.
The best way to buff and shine out the rust pocks is you fill a palm full of kosher salt in a wet rag and use that to gently scrub the spots out. The bigger spots you may need to push harder. Just make sure you scrub back and forth don't do circles
So, late, twice the promised price, and a rust bucket? 🤔. FSD??
There was never a promised price. Inflation hit any company has a right to pass the increases supply costs onto consumer. And consumer has a right to not buy said product then or save more for it
It's not rusting, genius. It's dust on the surface and those particles of dust rusting.
Don’t forget reduced range.
Ok, I’m out. I definitely am the kind of person that will not like seeing that shit on a brand new expensive truck.
For this and many other reasons is why it’s essential to have it wrapped however they really need to revise their stainless formula and maybe even give up -gasp- it being bulletproof
I had a white car that had a lot of that. It's very common, especially on Wheels due to brake pads
No white car for you then I guess
@@Orangeman47 I do recall that same issue with a white car I had in the past… I suppose the only way would be to wrap it asap.
@@SraMYM it's just more visible on light colored cars obviously
CYBERCOPE lmao. Trashbox is rusting out of box, no wonder this is a cheap grade steel. I have a divers watch and it does not rust. Imagine a 100K car rusting, you can't do anything to clean it.
So wrap is a must?
Probably look great wrapped
any iron particle contamination on the surface is going to eat into the steel. the surface of the truck is going to need frequent cleaning. someone should take the truck for metallurgical test to see just what its made of. Not all stainless steels are equal. I used to work inspecting industrial equipment and for anything exposed to the elements seems 316 and 316L were the materials of choice. but I'm not an engineer, my just was just to verify the materials per the drawings.
Took delivery feb 8 on a dual in texas, no rust or any issues
Your Texla delivery probably was not transported via rail to get to you. I just received my Foundation Series order confirmation email and I'm about to pull the trigger. How do you like it so far?
@@LunaTechLV more than likely not, really enjoying it. Only driven it around town, will be taking it on a roadtrip next week. Acutely like it without the areocovers
is in it just brake dust like you see on lite color cars ?
Did any of you watch the video? The stainless is not rusting. It's iron dust that has landed on the surface and has rusted.
Yes and that is something that owners will have to deal with every single day for the rest of the time they own the truck. That wouldnt drive you crazy?
Hahahahaha! Came here from Adam something just to leave this comment. Please thumbs up so I get reminded that a car for 100000 dollars,,, RUST! There is a reason. No wait! There are maaany reasons why this "pickup" truck will never be sold in Europe. We care about safety over here! xD
The question is if the rust starts inside, the part that we do not see how it affects the material.😮
I believe what he was saying was that the particles weren't adhering to any part of the mass perse. Only the particles were effected.
When buying one of these, it should be instant detail plus ceramic coating. Not enough people realize that road "fallout" exists. Brake dust, random things on our roads etc do stick to vehicles.
The stains and rust adds character to the car more raw like an armored personnel carrier from the future
Dont follow the salt plow. I had brake dust on my white sunfire it came off with rubbing compound dust from my own brakes
Yep, it happens
I wonder if the Sprayway Stainless Steel cleaner and polish will do a better job since you removed some on the top polish from it. It may also help with reducing some of the smudges from fingerprints and stuff.
Your are talking about Brake Dust and Iron Particles in the air. The particles are very light and travel very far just in the air. But its not limited to Train and Rotarry polish, the most natural and everyday occurrence of this is brake dust in the air while just driving the vehicle, every car has , the steel look just makes it much more noticeable. While it is surface level it not so easy to get rid of by just washing a vehicle. You need to a regular wash on the vehicle and then use what is know as IRON REMOVER /DECONTAMITION SPARY, detailer use this all the time. Please do not use barkeepers friend, or other abrasives, theses are meant to finely scratch the vehicle. The problem with this is that steel has already been sanded at a certain grit to give it the desired factory finish. And when you are using barkeepers friend or other abrasive you risk actually polishing the surface and giving a different shine that was meant by factory. You could in theory even come up with an actually shine and take away the Matte/ Brushed look that came from the factory. And steel will polish to clean shine if you not careful. Im just saying this if you want to keep the surface as close to factory finish.
yep, pretty normal stuff around most cars, it just seems to latch onto the Cybertruck pretty easily
@BeardedTeslaGuy that's hard to tell with out a side comparison test.. I've done a lot white cars that have this problem every two weeks. The way we usually test with a credit card brushed against the surface
I'm a huge Tesla fan, but this should not be happening to a brand new $100,000 vehicle right out of the factory. They couldn't figure this out over the 4 year it took them to get it to market?
Dude, it's literally dust sitting on the surface and then THE DUST oxidizing. The vehicle is not rusting.
Tesla engineers didn’t want to stainless steel, this was all Elon who wanted a futuristic truck.
@@TheBowerbird No one is saying the vehicle is rusting or not. What I'm saying is you should not have to be doing all the work they are doing on this video on a brand new $100,000 vehicle right out of the factory. Figure this out in the factory and fix it before it's released.
@Paul-cj1wb There is nothing to fix. These are tiny metal particles in the air landing on the truck. It happens to all cars, but you won't notice with certain paint colors.
@@Paul-cj1wb These are still the Founder series trucks, they are orbital sanded at the factory. The problem is probably coming from transport. Tesla needs to expand the delivery/showroom network and resolve this problem during Predelivery inspection. Just like cars that used to get covered in cosmoline for protection when shipped over seas, that stuff was hard to get off, and the dealer had to clean that off before delivery.
All cars are prone to iron particles, which is why all detailing brands sell an IRON REMOVER.. Just spray it, give it a few minutes, it will change colors and just wash it off... This is a highly recommended step before applying ceramic coats on any vehicle. The lack of a clear coat on the Cybertruck makes it more noticeable. I'm sure the detailing brands will formulate a custom Cybertruck Ceramic coat product once the CT is in mass production and if other OEMs start using SS on their vehicles...
Just posted a comment about this before seeing your comment. I agree 100%. I'm sure an iron remover product like IronX would be a much easier and better way to fix this problem vs Bar Keepers Friend
Nah bro, my normal car white color dont have these, and i live in tropic 😂
Hands-down, the most practical video on the cyber truck yet. Thank you.
As long as it is bullet proof I don't mind rust.
Good vid.. this is not really a "fix" for rusting that has etched into SS from the lot. The Abrasive will of course help pitting, because you're removing a layer. Let that etched rust sit on there for 6 months.. you're gonna have some work ahead of you.
It's a piece of junk
Basically they used poor quality stainless so it bends easier. The panel's will rust like fuck.
These are air particles that land on the car. This can be from rail transport or even just brake dust floating in the air.
All cars have this issue, owners of white cars that want to keep shiny will know this for sure. Iron removal and wax is only way to easily remove this in general.
Stainless comes in over 150 formulations. many can rust based on their chemical composition. At one end of the scale, while not stainless, 1095 and 5160 high carbon steels have extremely high tensile strength but will rust due to low chromium content. At the other end of the scale are knife and surgical stainless steels that tend to be rust free, but are hard to work and can be very brittle under impact. It depends on the chromium and Nitrogen content. Another likely source of rust in this case would be Iron that gets embedded during the working process. Passivation should be used to remove embedded surface iron particles by the manufacturer.
Stainless Steel rusts - doesn't everyone know that?
I guess Elon doesn't...
So I asked AI (Copilot) this question:
Q Does stainless steel rust
AI:
Stainless steel, while renowned for its corrosion-resistant properties, is not entirely immune to rust. Let’s delve into the science behind this phenomenon.
Composition of Stainless Steel:
Stainless steel is primarily composed of iron, carbon, and 12-30% chromium. Other elements like nickel and manganese may also be present.
Chromium is the key component that renders stainless steel rust-resistant.
Why Doesn’t Stainless Steel Rust?:
When stainless steel is exposed to oxygen, a thin layer of chromium oxide forms on its surface.
This layer is highly protective and prevents further oxidation (rusting) of the steel.
Even if the surface is scratched, a new layer of chromium oxide quickly forms to safeguard the underlying steel.
Causes of Stainless Steel Rusting:
Corrosion is the main culprit behind stainless steel rust.
Different types of corrosion can lead to rusting:
Crevice corrosion: Occurs in oxygen-deprived areas, such as joints or crevices.
Chemical exposure, saline, grease, and prolonged heat exposure can also contribute to rust.
In summary, stainless steel doesn’t rust because it actively forms a protective layer (chromium oxide) when exposed to oxygen. This layer shields it from further corrosion123. However, extreme conditions can still damage stainless steel, so proper care is essential.
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Basically, if you are used to the smooth, clear coat on 5 coats of automotive paint
you can forget it
pitting is what you have to live with on the Mad Max truck
Exactly, good comment !
But this is not panel rust. It iron particles in the air that end up on any car and rust... all cars have this issue, it is just not as visible
@@pipooh1 Does it really matter? As the Mad Max drives along the air is full of iron oxide particles from car brakes and they attach to the SS skin and rust.
Unless the owner washes the car daily the Mad Max is going to look like an old ship at sea - rusting away.
I'm thinking of rolling Herculiner black truck bed liner on all of my Cybertruck SS exterior.
Bar Keeper friend has phosphoric acid in it. When that acid comes in contact with steel, it changes the chemistry of the steel at the surface level.
This is a work truck, a truck is supposed to be a work vehicle. Car people want a work truck that looks like a new refrigerator. If you treat it like a cooking pot or a tool you're going to have better results. Take some fine steel wool to buff the rust out and put some oil on it. Don't let it sit wet with crud on it. You might want to spray it off after a long trip to get rid of the iron particles off. Scorch a seasoning layer on it like a cast iron pan. Dip the panels in an oxide like bluing, paint it, wrap it. There are so many options that the complaints don't make sense, is it a truck or a fashion accessory?
было бы круто увидеть кибер трак обделанной кортеновской сталью, у владельцев каждый год менялся цвет корпуса :D
“blend” or “chemistry” of steel called alloy, and there is nothing special in the cyber truck alloy, Tesla just doesn't tell which type they using..
You have to passivate stainless steel to make it rust free,, passivation removes Iron particles from the surface and enhances the protective chromium oxide layer, I guess Tesla missed this step.
Isn't this the reason they use clay bar treatment on clear coats?
If you use 304 stainless instead of 316L w molybdenum you will get rust issues it’s only on surface rust from other materials and can likely be cleaned off
You should wrap your Cybertruck in a rust looking vinyl wrap when you receive it, it would get noticed and look pretty cool. I saw a Ford Transit HR that had a rust wrap it looked really good.
Not just that issue but I've seen on other Cybertrucks that the door colors don't match up! Different rolls of steel when manufactured?