5 Mindbending Joker Theories
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- Spoilers! For Joker 2019. Because we're talking five theories relating to the ending, who or what is real and who isn't, the real parentage of Arthur Fleck, if Joaquin Pheonix is even the real Joker and more. Thanks for watching!
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I'm sticking to the 3 joker's theory
I also kinda want the elseworld comic where the joker (jack napir) took a drug that cured him temporarily of his insanity to prove that gothem didn't need Batman and he made life a thousand times better
There was also a plot twist we're there where two harlequins one being the old time ex psyciastrist full body suit harly the other being the archem games inspired one with the pigtails with a different back story of her falling in love with the joker after he robbed a super market or did something might've been a massacre
In the end old harly sticks with cured joker where the new harly resolves herself to get the insane joker back since the joker is trying his damdest to not go insane anymore so she goes and becomes the neo joker (imagine the joker but a girl but lots of purple neon)
By the end the joker has most of the bat family trusting him except Batman so shit happens and in the end Batman and the joker who's letting loose and going insane again go with a fleet of batmobiles to stop the neo joker from destroying Gotham in the end its a is the joker dead? Kinda thing
Old harly goes back into hiding with her wedding ring
I want a modified adaption of this
Literally just do three different joker's then you can kill him redeem him and lock him up we can get all the great story lines and all the iconic back stories
I don't think any of it was in his head except for the parts that were explicitly shown to be in his head (Zazie relationship, the original Murray appearance, etc). I have a very long "theory" that I feel like is "the definitive explanation of this movie", but it's lengthy. Shall I produce it here? If you guys want to hear it, I'll post it. Also, I enjoyed the film and felt that it succeeded in what it was trying to do, which was showing the world through Arthur's eyes/perception.
@@narcspector I'd like to hear it
Mr Sunday Movies how about this movie is about the joker preparing for the killing joke. He implied in end cutscene that “the joke is for Bruce.”
Well, if Todd agree to connect it to DC next Batman movie! Joaquin might won't accept! and he won't damage his body again to get into the role and even he did it he don't want to appear with Batman but maybe he will complete the story of Arthur..
Me personally! I hope he won't appear as a Batman villian, I kinda like him that way as a solo movie..
But for Pattinson's Batman movie, I wish they cast William Dafoe as Joker because he looks like tha Arkham/comics Joker!
and that movie is based on comics such as The Long Halloween!
BTW: I hope Todd direct another character study movie about The Batman/Vigilantism...
Batman is just as crazy as Joker and that's what Joker trying to tell him always!
In The Dark Knight and The killing joke and Arkham Origins!
I hope I can see a very serious and realism version of Batman that he could bleed and be killed a psycho version of Batman that he is crazy just don't know yet!
The only difference between Joker and Bruce ( who saw as a kid his parents being killed in front of him and that effected him )that Bruce is rich ..
Maybe a Batman/Joker version just like Unbreakable (The movie) !
Best Theory:
Joker is a Gamer who was injured in the Console wars.
Joker is NoobMaster69 confirmed.
joker is a gamer who lives in a society
Does this mean Thomas Wayne and Batman are boomers?
And inspired Gamergate.
Lol
A lot of people haven't mentioned it, but it's said in Penny Fleck's file that she was lobotomised. This might also hint towards the Wayne family covering up her and Thomas' affair.
I forgot about that. There's a lot of quick shots of files and letters in this movie, I think we'll have to wait a while until we've all seen everything there is to see.
Yep, if lobotomizing your problems away works for the Kennedys it works for the Waynes too.
THIS IS WHY I WANT ANOTHER MOVIE NOW. FAST. MAKE IT. I LOVE IT. MAKE IT NOW.
I think T Wayne was dirty and with his kind of money... he could have covered up an illegitimate affair and pregnancy with Penny and left her to the whims of the low lifes of Gotham... thus setting her up for failure and the lobotomy would be just the ticket to more or less screw Pennies life up so that T Wayne could go on about his business and Penny would be branded a nutjob who abused her child. I didn't buy that whole adopted thing at all. Something stank real bad when when you watch the reaction of the clerk holding the file when he found out who was inquiring about it.
Barry Scott I told that to my wife. She would not agree kept saying he was crazy from
Head trama
"This is a guy that will punch somebody in the bathroom". In fairness to Thomas Wayne the guy stalked his son and then choked out his butler
He also stalked him into a bathroom.
@@rindoubaka1574 he also stalked Zazie Beetz. Bloody should be called Stalker, am I right?
@@AmarHujan What's with the bloody?
@@rindoubaka1574 its in reference to joker stabbing randall
@@rindoubaka1574 I'd just come back from the gym and I think I was dehydrated
Here's a theory from one of my cohost:
Thomas Wayne was the boyfriend that abused Penny and Arthur, and had everything covered up through news paper articles, and fake adoption papers. That eventually drove Penny to Arkham Asylum. Plus, the big joke in the end of the movie is that Thomas Wayne is the one who created the Joker, and his own demise.
Interesting theory
TW is rather quick to punch Fleck full on the nose, when you d expect a respectably man to be kind for this person who went through abusive shit (as a company manager he would have know the records of the mother when she got fired..presuming all the abuse went on while she was employed..and let to her sacking AFTER police reports were made).
But no..immediately PUNCH... a sign of being an abusive man ?
@@oddballsok Ha stalked is son and throttled his friend/butler. Fair to say that if he wasn't running for Mayor, he'd have given him a lot worse.
ODDBALL SOK he punched him cause he went to the Wayne manor and messed with Bruce, but I really like the theory
So Thomas Wayne basically committed suicide
Towards the end before he puts on makeup to get ready for the show, he crumples up a picture of his mother and on the back it says "Love your smile - TW". Definitely possible.
Kaizen Gamer i think that was definitely to be like hey maybe after they said he’s not his dad
It could also be written by his mom
Maybe
I gotta check out some of the writing in the movie cause sure we gotta pay attention to what's written, but also the penmanship. I think that could be a key of who's writing what
Yeah, but even if he wrote that it doesn't necessarily mean he's his father. Perhaps he was young and thought she was pretty but soon saw she was crazy and decided not to pursue her.....also, she did have a fantastic smile, maybe it was just an observation
Bruce's parents get shot: asleep
Jack Napier is joker: asleep
Thomas wayne is a cheapskate: *WOKE*
@@RogueBoyScout they said that in the video that only cheap pearl necklaces can be ripped and expensive ones cant because they're knotted
My theory is that we live in a society
A society full of idiots who wont stop saying this its embarrassing
@@why9098 we live in a society
@@dillyc_11 ...
Why ?
We live in a society
@@justbrowsingleavemealone1581 you are embarrassing copying what everyone else is doing like a mindless idiot...
I don’t think the whole movie was imagined. If it was, that means he imagined that he imagined Murray liked him, and he imagined that he imagined having a girlfriend and he managed to imagine the origins of the Batman, and that sounds stupid to me.
and we imagined we went to a cinema and see a joker movie...all illusions!
Allen Macias yeah i agree i mean the girlfriend thing yeah that was imagined, the scene in the beginning where murray points him out in the crowd was imagined, other than that i dont think anything else was
It's not really an imagination inside another imagination. It's a story told about an insane guy who imagined things. So no, the whole movie wasn't imagined. It was a lie told by the joker to his psychiatrist.
@christopher ray the joker's eyes can only imagine 1 stand alone movie
You missed a big possibility. It's that in Arthur's "real" universe, Batman comics exist and in his fantasy universe, he becomes a villain he liked in the comic book.
My theory is that Mason is James's enabler.
The joke that the Joker put on the entire audience.
When you start out watching it, you don't realize you are watching an entire story that is being told from the Joker's pespective. It's a sob story designed to make the audience feel compassion for him... and the interesting thing about the Joker's narrative is that he's the victim in his story, he's not a sadist, a manipulator, a planner, schemer...etc... he's just a brain damaged person and a victim of his circumstances. I didn't realize until a few days after I watched the movie, that the audience became the Joker's Harley Quinn. We fell for his story, but the director warned us that the Joker is an unreliable narrator. The Joker manipulates masses of people, and finds it hysterical.... just as Ledger's Joker targeted the Gothamites... Joaquin's Joker targeted the audience.
Nah
@@hauntedbylight It's up to interpretation, but consider the fact that he is the narrator, and we already know that he's unreliable... this is what the director says. In history story, he's not really a threat to the Batman, nothing really formiddable. No knowledge of science and chemistry... a brain damaged person, not a genius. He's not a guy who can mass manipulate people, as he doesn't really understand those around him. He's socially awkward, he's always the victim, and when he kills it's always in revenge not because he's a sadist. You don't go from being a brain damaged person who can't really interpret the world around you very well, nor read people very well -- to being a criminal mastermind and a brilliant schemer.
@@hauntedbylight I was literally just about to comment that
Nahhhh
A good liar knows that adding a bit of the truth is likely to make the deception more believable.
That's likely what the joker's pulling.
I hate the "inspired Joker" protégé idea. It's been floating around for quite awhile now. Especially during the Gotham TV series. It's a terrible idea. It cheapens the character, and eliminates the tragic origin story.
Finally someone else who hates this idea
I liked that idea a lot more than that guy just being the Joker in Gotham. It's also strengthens the Joker as a "dark mirror" of Batman by making him an unkillable idea rather than one man.
I think while it definitely weakens the core of Joker as a whole, it would be a very good idea, if they end up making a Batman out of this portrayal of Bruce Wayne. Meaning that I don't see this version of Joker facing off against this version of Batman, due to the age difference. while it would be fucking cool to see this Joker mature and perfect his craft and see the process of becoming the mentally complex character we all know and love, I don't think that the studio would ever put in a like, super old Joker vs. a young and fresh Batman. If they find a way to pull it off though, I think it could be quite something. Or maybe they add a twist whereas there is no age gap (somehow). But I think it would be a cool perspective, to see a true Joker born out of an almost demonic Gotham City, eventually face off a Batman, who was born into a Gotham City that LED to his parents' death, kind of like a mirror image of the two, seeing two different views of Gotham City itself. you're right though, they most definitely better not discard this portrayal of Joker because the amount of depth it has added to the character, so I hope they find some way to make it work in this "universe."
I think that Joker wannabe in Gotham is meant to be that universe's definitive Joker. I still don't like it though.
@@nathannogen4552 "I don't see this version of Joker facing off against this version of Batman, due to the age difference"
But the Joker in a lot of portrayals tends to be a lot older than Batman anyway. I don't think it would be that impossble.
After he kills his mother he looks at that photo of her and it says “I love your smile”- TW (Thomas Wayne). Suggests that they actually did have an affair.
Or... His mother wrote that herself 🤷 but seriously, his mother seemed mentally stablein the movie, until we saw the flashback. Lets not forget, that this movie's narrator is the joker. So it could ve, that he believed those fake files, thus the movie shows ist their real, cause Arthur thinks IT and the movie ist from his perspective
Are TW and Penny's handwriting similar? That'd probably answer it.
@@angelusvastator1297 Not at all
@@ocean7849 What you mean?
AngelusVastator could easily check that, see her handwriting slot in the film
My theory is that Robert De Niro's character is reincarnated as Ace The Bat Hound.
De Niro will go on to play this character in the DCEU with the help of motion capture.
@@Quirderph and in a surprise twist, Ace will actually be voiced by George Clooney, not only bringing him back into the Batman universe, but returning to the world of voice acting as a dog.
Robert De Niro's character does loosely correspond to a semi-obscure DC character called the Creeper. The Creeper was originally a TV show host in Gotham City named Jack Ryder who was shot in the head by a mobster, but is saved by a mad scientist who turns him into a vengeful clownish super-human; later stories suggest that this origin is a false memory created by unknown trauma, and that he may have inherited a few of his mother's severe mental illnesses. The Batman animated series also had an episode called "Enter The Creeper", where Jack Ryder is a reporter doing a live broadcast about the Joker's origin and is interrupted by the Joker himself who seemingly kills him, but actually turns him into The Creeper. Interestingly the Creeper has more than a few similarities to the Green Goblin, and both characters were co-created by Steve Ditko.
Like I said before, it’s Schrödinger’s Joker. Everything both did & didn’t happen
@Christopher Christopher before
Laurentius good one.👏👏
The point of the movie is that it doesn't matter.
Until Batman collapses the wave function when he watches it.
My thoughts exactly, T.P. did this purposely, just like the end of Inception, he will never give a str8 answer, he will say "it's open to interpretation"
My theory is that he's in Arkham the whole time and just recalling the events that led up to him being there, but the thing is, he's a very unreliable narrator, the story that was presented is in his POV, we can't fully trust Arthur, thus maybe some of the events may have happened and maybe some of it did not, we can't tell for sure.
I like this theory with the added twist of, Batman is the one who put him in Arkham and he retelling his origin story to the therapist when he remembers the Waynes dying and puts the pieces together about Batman's identity. That's the joke she wouldn't understand. He then kills her because he doesn't want her to figure it out or for anyone else to hear everything he just told her.
i literally thought the same thing but with a twist hes actually in modern times and batman has just brought him back to arkham and hes about to escape again
@@jared7520 Joker dose has a tendency to kill people that try to reveal Batman's identity, in the Batman cartoon he gave wrath and Scorn a dose of Joker venom because they were planning to reveal Batman's secret identity.
The only reason this theory doesn't sit well with me is that he would tell the part about imagining a girlfriend. I just don't see the point in including that.
@@dr.bobcat5896 if you've ever read Killing Joke one of Joker's Origins is that he had a pregnant wife. which we don't even know if that's true or not because Joker himself is an unreliable narrator and does not want to give a definitive origin for himself.
I think people are really underestimating this version of the Joker. He's very weak early on but I think by the end, he's become a very strong person and by the time Bruce has become Batman, he'll have perfected his craft.
He was smart enough to sneak into the theatre
By the time Bruce becomes Batman, this Joker will be geriatric.
The last person Arthur speaks to is murdered. You can see the bloody footprints in that last shot before the credits. So he is strong enough to do that. In my head-cannon he becomes the wheelchair bound Joker from Power Girl & Huntress comic book.
@@ericstaples7220 no. it is established that arthur is his early 30's by the start of the movie. So he would be like late 40-ish when bruce come back.
@@maulvidm5811 This guy passes for 30 to you? Ermkay.
"Uhh, Maso, one small thing? When you bring me out, can you introduce me as MR. SCUMBAG MOVIES?"
My theory is that why he looks like he's in his 40s is that, it's him remembering it and because he's insane he can't visualise himself when he was younger.
yep
He doesn't become the Joker, he becomes Krusty.
Guy Incognito wtf is Krusty
@@shahidullah5983 clown from the simpsons
Behold a Miracle 11
Krusty Krab?
Even if they aren’t DNA related, Thomas Wayne’s actions created the Joker... in fact Thomas Wayne was the one who dubbed him a “clown”! So in that sense, he is the father of the Joker
L A Murray came up with the name “Joker”, but Thomas called people like Arthur “clowns”
i would say the boyfriend who abused fleck as a young boy and the terrible treatment by his mother made joker who he is.
I think I missed the 5 mind bending theories
I wanna see a joker style Harvey dent film
"DENT"
Christopher Lee alternately “FACE”
That would be amazing
Heard thats next up
You already have it's called the dark night
joker never leaves arkam , the entire movie is a session with his doctor , leading u to her death further keeping him in the hospital where he feels the most comfortable
How many times has Batman’s origin (AKA his parents getting murdered) been shown in film and print? Has to be the most repeated moment in film and print history, right?
Besides Uncle Ben being shot lmao
Lester Jester so what
jozif so maybe we can cure cancer! Lol what a stupid question. Smh
Yeah, but I like the way they executed it in this movie.
My theory is based on the idea presented in the iconic story The Killing Joke: this film is not the true origin of the Joker, but it's just one of the random backstories he comes up with over the years. And, to make it more interesting, each version of the Joker we've seen in live-action are all different origin stories for the Joker and we have yet to see the real Joker (who is probably a combination of all of them with various aspects). As the Joker stated in The Killing Joke, "I prefer to have a past that's multiple choice."
That is what I was thinking too. Sad how some people consider this origin story canon.
It's weird that he would come up with an origin story for himself in which he's a complete numpty who only gets by on dumb luck.
I love how 10-15 years ago we loved the idea of an intertwined movie comic book universe.
Now we love the idea of stand alone films that are not intertwined.
Classic example of how nothing will ever be good enough for us humans.
I love both.
Its not that. Its that after the perfection that was the Infinity Saga, people know it can't be topped, and want something fresh. Marvel was on top of the world for a decade straight. Now DC is finally shining again, in a similar way to how Dark Knight trilogy did.
@1993DJC Perfection in the sense that, for every single other company that attempted to do what they did, they failed miserably. DC included.
There is a complete flowing story, each movie absolutely stand alone, while also being connected to other separate characters all with their own themes and worlds. There is nothing that exists in cinematic format that can match the MCU, right now. Thats why it's so popular. It's built up, properly, and then paid off, properly, for over a decade.
This has also never been a secret. This was always the plan from the beginning. You cant ask for inter conneted comic book movies with crossovers, and then complain about too many movies. Not you specifically, but people in general.
Mainly because dc shat the bed
@1993DJC and I'm getting tired of DC just throwing shit into the wall to see what sticks, Marvel isn't perfect but they can at least deliver on the big moments and hell they can also deliver on smaller pieces too
I like how if you watch the video without sound, it still makes absolute sense
Ah yes, subtitles.
It would line up well enough that this Joker inspired Leto. I mean, he already kinda felt like a poser doing his best Joker impression, why not make it cannon?
you can't mix shit with chocolate cake and pretend they belong together.
Was looking for a Joker themed video, then this pops up. What's going on here? Mr Scumbag reading my mind?!?!
My theory is that Joker doesn't actually live in a *SoCiEtyYyy*
what if Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker was not the first time the joker created the next joker?
Joker going to Narnia in the fridge cracked me up. What an image
Before the film came out, my theory was that Arthur is not the real Joker that batman does not fight, and someone would be inspired by Arthur's actions in the film, but Arthur would still be around and be very old when batman comes around, and batman would not fight Arthur, but he would just want to try and find out on who is the new and younger Joker that Batman is fighting, and maybe Arthur dies from old age, and kinda celebrates about his legacy being passed on. And I still have this theory on my mind.
Theory: Many of the events that took place in this movie were just in Arthurs head but the last scene wasn't and here's why..
We all know how Bruces parents (Martha and Thomas) died. Shot and killed in an alley in front of their sons own eyes.
Now it is entirely possible that Arthur would fantasize about their murder.. but if that was the case, there is no way he would fantasize about it this accurately. The alley, the gun, Bruce watching it all happen... it's just too accurate for a fantasy. Todd Phillips purposely used this well known scene to give us a hint that this entire 'Joker praising' scene actually took place. It was his way of telling us that this is real.. Arthur is not fantasizing anymore. He even went so far as to include the 'pearl necklace'.
I saw in another video that Todd Phillips also noted that the laugh he gives during this final scene, is the only "genuine" laugh Arthur gives during the whole film.
Trezzpops did he specify that it’s the scene with the psychologist at the end? I’m under the impression that his one genuine laugh is right after he blows Murray’s brains out, as the final laugh sounds almost the same as the laugh we hear when we first see him with the counselor in the dark office, but the laugh after the gunshot sounds distinctively different and sincere, not pathological like ...”the rest of them”
@@Adrian101882 Yea, specified the final scene. I was also a bit confused by that, as I felt he had a couple of genuine laughs while watching his TV program. But then - were those imagined :O
son's* But no, he didn't kill them.
Best thing about watching a movie is finally being able to watch Mr Sunday Movies' videos on it, no bulldust.
Correct.
As much as I would like to see a sequel, I also dont want to. This movie was too damn good, I wouldnt want them to force something out that isn't as good
I want a todd phillips batman
agreed. He can dance around and act like a incel lol. Batuci. Some one call Adam West right now!
Bloody brilliant video,
Hilarious editing,
Genuinely top quality lads,
Always love your stuff, so ruddy excited for TWP this Monday!
When the video asked for the like right away, I was like ok maybe once I’m hooked. And... you guys got me right away!! Good humor and flow! I’ll be back
I really appreciate how they always give credit to random redditors when they explore their theories. It's very respectful.
Maybe Jared Leto's joker is a follower of the og joker's movement
The idea of the movie being all in The Jokers head is my favorite. The movie is just The story being told by Joker to his therapist so of course he’d make himself look and act like who he wants when speaking about himself
incredible editing . great video
jesus christ every time that james says "BUT" and an image of an arse shows up i lose it. every time. every time.
Sometimes I'll be talking to someone and I'll say "but..." and instantly think of the Thanos butt and instantly say "Butt..."
My personal theory is that at the end of the movie when he’s at the Asylum, that’s set several years after the film, where he’s been apprehended by Batman, and the joke the doctor doesn’t get it that his actions led to the creation of Batman, and that the mental patient chasing him down the hall at the end of the movie is meant to be symbolic of his relationship with Batman
I like that theory
this wouldnt hold because there wasnt enough buildup or context within this movie to support that. you are only able to say that because you already have an idealized storyline based on comic books and past movies.
Time has passed.
His hair is no longer green, he has facial hair and has put an a large amount of weight. Time has deffo passed, but how much?
That was an orderly lol
That's a clean theory. ❤
I just instinctively like your videos before I’ve even watched them now.
I like the idea that the joker, as a character in comics, cartoons, films etc. He knows he’s a fictional character being read and watched, that’s why he isn’t afraid to die it’s why he finds everything so funny because he knows nothing matters, nothing is actually happening and despite killing a lot of characters he still hasn’t actually killed a single person in fact most of the time the characters come back to life in one form or another so no one is ever truly dead, and the best part is that only he knows he’s a fictional character everyone else thinks they’re real, “what’s so funny?” “ You wouldn’t get it”
Well, I have a similar theory. What I understood from the movie is, all the events where author is getting praise, affection and love is all his imagination( the stand-up performance, having a girlfriend, Murray being nice to him,etc) and all the events when he's bullied and the crimes he commit, are real.
Another thing which I believe is, joker actually dies in the car crash, which was foreshadowed by his Knock knock joke saying " ma'am your son was hit by a truck and died". And thats what exactly happens and he dies, When he stands on the hood and everyone is cheering for him is all in his head, even the cinematography has a dream like appearance.
The arkham asylum as we know had dark and yellow, worn-out interiors, but in the final scene, it's pure white, clean and spotless, implementing his dead or in his own thoughts thinking about what he has achieved just before taking his last breath.
The joke which he says "you won't get it" according to me is, even after his death, he unknowingly made hundreds of jokers in Gotham to carry-on what he started, eventually killing Thomas Wayne who potentially abandoned him. Now as a result, bruce is left alone just like the author was in his childhood, without a role model, and among the hundreds of jokers from Gotham, the real joker will arise and carry-on authors legacy and eventually became Batman's arch nemesis.
So I think this version of joker is an inspiration for the joker which we know and maybe just like 80's batman movie, he's the one who killed Batman's parents as you said in the video.
At the end when he walks out with bloody feet implements the crime he has committed but he celebrates it through dancing and no regrets, powerfull sunlight is projected on author, depicting he had finally found joy and a reason to smile for real after what he did to Gotham who always put him down.
Now all this might be completely wrong, but the movie is open to interpretation, and that's what I want to believe in until any official explanation is out from the creators.
How could the scene of him dancing on the car be in his head when he’s dead?
@@TheNiggler17 it could be in the moment before he dies
Bruh. To each their own, but the joker, the iconic eternal batman villain isnt dying in his own origin story.
What are you smoking and where can I get some?
@@OmkaraHellcore by the time Bruce becomes batman, this joker would be in his 60s. So in that sense, this is not the joker who fights batman, but he's ideology sticks with Gotham from which the joker we know arises. When you talk about origin, joker has no official origin and that's what he is famous for. The movie never comments or markets itself as an origin story, it's actually just a character study in an unknown territory. And again as I mentioned, the movie is open to interpretation, you may not agree with all the theories.
Nah Joaquin Phoenix has already said he's open to doing sequels so Arthur isn't dead
I think...it was all a dream. I used to read Word Up magazine.
I love your editing 😂
My favorite part was that _Zazie Beetz_ is the real name of an actual person.
On second thought, may favorite part was when young Bruce Wayne lets a stranger with a clown nose put his fingers in his mouth. Through a fence.
Sheltered children end up not reacting to things like normal human beings.
Why can’t any movies now a days not end up going into a universe
I like the idea that the guy who drove the ambulance into the cop car at the end is the REAL Joker.
Also this movie might cross a billion. I don't think this is the last we'll hear of this Joker.
Honestly the editing and random little clips put into the video are amazing in all of videos on this channel. Amazing
the editing is so great lol
Arthur being on Murray's show the first time wasn't a delusion. It was a seems/fantasy. Just because you imagine somthing doesn't mean you're delusional.
How do you not like this movie, it’s cinematically beautiful
Agreed. The only thing I did not like about the film is that the Wayne Murder is connected to the Riot; awesome detail but unneeded.
it looks great but it’s a mess that makes this incel look like a real cool dude
mtlewis973 Oh wow, you can't be that stupid and shallow! You have just repeated the leftist media propaganda word for word, don't you have your own opinion? This movie doesen't portray him as cool in any way, it is a story of disaster. This shallow propaganda started before the movie was even out and the audience has understood that movie is so much more. It makes me sad how unintelligent you are, you literally understood nothing from this movie. You are a dream consumer for brainwashing media.
And stop with the incel thing, i know a guy who is almost insane as joker is and he had tons of girls. Mastermind psychopaths usually do but since your knowlege in psychology is non existent you woulden't know that.
Mrs Ice truck killer i watched the movie, i thought it should have been a horror film like you maybe saw, but then it had him walking away from a riot smoking a cigarette in slow motion. which is coding him as pretty cool. if you watched this and thought he was a “mastermind” then we had very different experiences. thank you for all the personal insults though, very normal response!
Respectfully beautiful analysis/&dissection🎞👑
love your editing..
When Arthur said “All I have is negative thoughts “
Maybe everything happens is just his thoughts when he’s not in medication.
Maybe we're all the joker ?
That's what the media wants you to think.
Great editing as always..."here's the thing" made me do a literal spit take
Keep making great videos @mrsundaymovies Don’t give up! I haven’t given you a view yet on this video because I haven’t been able to see Joker yet but I will very soon been watching for over 8 years!
My favorite theory is that at the end of the film, Joker is shown in Arkham State Hospital (I assume) and is laughing about a joke the therapist "wouldn't get" and thinks of the murder of the Waynes. I like to think that at this point, the movie flashes years into the future, and he has been apprehended by Batman, and is laughing at how he is responsible for what Bruce became. I like to think that the rest of the movie could be considered a "flashback" and depicts Arthur the same age he is at the end, since this is all his telling of it. Admittedly the theory definitely has holes, for example Joker would have to know this Batman's identity, but the age difference detail I mentioned allows for Arthur to be Thomas's kid, if you want him to be. So that's my theory 🤷♂️
One piece of "evidence" that people (and by people I mean you guys and like two other youtubers) seem to have missed, is that after the whole reveal that Penny Fleck was in Arkham and the adoptions papers and all, after the scene where Penny claims Thomas Wayne made up the adoption story (which of course she's not a very credible witness), after all that: there's a scene where Arthur finds a photograph of young Penny and on the back it says something like "You're beautiful, I love you, whatever /T.W.". So when I watched the movie I thought that was the last nudge from Todd Phillips saying: Arthur IS Thomas' son, Thomas made up the adoption stuff. Bruce and Arthur are brothers. And that's why Arthur thinks about Bruce becoming an orphan because of the riot, is a funny joke that the therapist-lady wouldn't get. Anyone else remember that photo and the TW-initials?
@@NoBody-pw3kf They're literally just chilling dropping witty one liners while they explore reddit theories. Chill lmao
I love the fact I got a fridge add immediately after you mentioned 70s latching fridges 😂😂😂
I think part of the reason why people (myself included) want this Joker to be connected to the other DCEU movies (Justice League, Suicide Squad, Shazam, Pattinson's Batman, etc) is because the DCEU isn't living up to its full potential right now. By connecting Joker to the existing movies, we hope that greatness would rub off on everything else.
Simply put, Joker gave us a glimpse of what all of it could be. Not movies and a cinematic universe that tries to imitate Marvel's success, but movies that bring something new, refreshing, and unique to the table. Movies that not only go head-to-head with the MCU, but even surpass it and rise above in terms of interest and attendance. And if that happens, Marvel will step their game as well, so all of us superhero movie fans will be winners in the end.
That being said, among the theories I've seen online my favorite is probably that Jared Leto's Joker is actually an insane Robin (Jason Todd), broken by Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. Might be a little too simple and obvious, but the age differences would make sense. Then again, Joker could probably work better as the first building-block for a DC Black Label universe. With Robert Pattinson's Batman being the next logical step.
I hope the Pattinson movie will give little hints of the Joker being out there. Year one-esque style
The dwarf is just a figment of Arthur’s imagination
no but hes also a handicapped person which is why he allows him to live
@@RespectProcess and because he was nice to him
@@tylernajera1318 right but i think the idea was that arthur is also supposed to be handicapped but in a different way
Good idea Cus the dwarf never opened the door Arthur had too.
@surfitlive no it was about being a mental midget
Whoever is editing needs a raise lol
I could just listen to you guys for hours talking about anything
I loved this movie and that’s why I don’t want them to make a sequel
This film was Jack Napier’s induced dream while he was on meds after being shot and falling into the vat of toxic chemicals.
Lmaooo that clip with Bradley was hilarious.
I love the theory that he was recalling his memories to the shrink in the white cell. But the time line in 'real' time Batman is older and they are already enemies.
I feel like the asylum scene at the end of the movie was actually before the movie, which the social worker referenced. He may have had violent acts in the past (which is why hes not allowed a gun). The actual end has him loose in the city
MaxSonic but didn’t he murder her? Why would he be let out then?
He had been in an insane asylum and like don’t you have to buy the gun yourself
I'm saying he had commited some form of violent act before, was deemed insane and put in the asylum. And maybe he did or didnt kill the lady.
MaxSonic I just don’t see enough evidence to that, but hey that the point of this movie. Your thoughts are different than mine
I mean I didnt really read too much into it. That was just my first impression when I saw the movie.
I have a really stupid theory that this film takes place in a universe where Batman is fictional and Arthur Fleck is a schizophrenic Batman fan who starts to believe that he is living in a pre-Batman Gotham city and that he is the Joker. So basically none of the Batman connections in the film are real.
I like this theory
You're right, it is stupid.
None of the stuff with Bruce would make any sense if it was in his head. And it would defeat the purpose of both characters. Its literally called the Joker.
I love these two guys reviewing movies, funny as hell lol
One of the earliest lines in the movie was Arthur talking about how he had recently been in the Asylum. He then goes it mandated counseling where she doesn’t listen to him in an unnatural way, he’s projecting this within his own mind because he believes no one listens to him in the real world so even in his own mind no one listens to him. Not to mention the counselor in the asylum looks incredibly similar if not supposedly the same women. The way we imagine is built around the real work we experience and people we meet make guests appearances in our mind especially when we don’t have control such as when we’re sleeping which it can definitely be argued that Arthur has no control over his mind. Also, at this point in the movie his dyed hair is no longer green but is the same rather long length that it was before. Hair doesn’t grow out fast enough for his hair to no longer be green unless he’s been in there for a very long time but he does not appear to be that much older. Another reason this was all in his head while at the asylum is that during the revolution clown masks worn by the crowd are of his very specific clown makeup, however when you look at the news papers it doesn’t show his look. The only way this many people would have his designated style would be if he had imagined it. Not only that but they were the same mass produced mask, the movie doesn’t take place over that long of a time span so for these to have been made and sold would be highly unlikely and probably banned by Gotham police once the violence started. He has an ego centric imagination which explains these tendencies, however, after years of being bullied and made to feel worthless he’s imagination also suffers from his low self esteem which is why even his own mind can’t except the fantasy of being with Sophie. He even imagines killing himself in his own imagination, that’s not something someone who views them self’s as a hero would think. He even says that he’s thinking of a Joke when asked what’s so funny in the final scene. His imagination ends with him being cheered on by his rally of evil doers but he thinks it’s a joke that he could ever hold that level of status. He’s in a constant battle with himself because he can’t even escape his own mind. He wants to be good, you can see that in the way he treats him mother and showing mercy to his friend from the clown for hire company, but he can’t win in his own head. For everything good he does there is always a negative reciprocal. If you want to get even more specific he has to climb all those stairs home everyday. The stairs symbolize his inner struggle. He’s the only one we ever see take them other thank the cops but they run down them, not up them. I’ve only seen this once so don’t quote me on this but do we ever actually see him step off the stairs onto the final landing because I don’t think we do and that proves he isn’t ready to over come his struggles. His imagines himself as the son of a wealth, well to do man but again his own imagination stops him. He even imagines killing his mother who is seemingly the only person he has in the world, he doesn’t think he deserves anyone. Just another quick couple examples of how we know none of this happened, in the mental asylum he takes the elevator with a thrashing prisoner and the guards say nothing to him, this would never happen. In the same scene he is read confidential files about his mother and it’s not until the man opens the file and begins to read out loud that he finds out he’s her son so he never offered any identification to get these which means the man just started reading these files without any reason to do so, also would not happen. Before the man stops reading he only says information that Arthur would already know, that he’s adopted, that he was beaten, and so on, it’s only after he steals the file that her life story gets out of hand, it’s almost like the crazy part of his brain is stealing from his sane side and making edits to further destroy his self identity. The mind doesn’t truly under reality in an uncontrolled state. Just think about how crazy your dreams are once your awake, the difference is this is always his mental state and that’s why the whole movie reads as unnatural.
Mootch that’s fine. It was fun to write and the option is out there
If you pay very close attention: 'Joker' takes place Autumn of 1981.
On the radio at the very beginning it says that it's mid October, and on the theatre sign right at the end it says that Zorro the Gay Blade is showing, which is how we get the timeline.
when arthur fantasized about going on murrays show nobody reacted to him in any weird way like real people do in the movie, but when he shoots murray the crowd screams and runs away
My theory behind Arthur Flecks origin story for the movie ties in with some biblical stories.
Throughout the first half of the movie, Arthur was constantly shown walking up the flight of stairs, and sense throughout the first half of the movie, Arthur tried his best to stay sane, maybe even hoping someone would just show him some appreciation and love.
In theory with biblical terms, Arthur would be walking up Jacob's Ladder, trying to overcome his problems, and in search of what is called Heaven.
The ladder would be a representation of Heaven and Earth/Hell. During the second half of the movie, Arthur would be shown walking down the flight of stairs, ascending into earth, and eventually accepting gotham for what it is.
In Genesis, Jacob encounters an "angel" or god that he wrestles with until sunrise, is renamed Israel, and then blessed. The day Jacob murdered his mother, was the day that the Joker was born, ( the day that Jacob and the angel wrestled ), Arthur had gotten rid of anything that had hurt him in the past, which included mainly individuals ( wrestling with the angel until sunrise on his journey back to Caanan ), Murray Franklin then named Arthur, "JOKER" and thus the Joker was finally born, JOKER ascending down the flight of stairs, dancing down the flight of stairs and embracing Gotham's hell.
The angel may have been portrayed as many things throughout the movie, but towards the end of the movie Arthur was renamed the Joker, blessed by the protesters, and all of it was done before daybreak too, just like how Jacob's ladder is portrayed, Jacob's wrestle against the angel, and being renamed Israel on his journey back to Caanan.
The way it cuts from the theatre bathroom scene to arthur's home and he's in the same position makes me think he imagined going into the theatre
The Joker is actually one Michael Joseph Jackson
What is this joke?
@@mikespearwood3914 its because michael jackason approached todd phillips to play the joker and phillips shot him in the face thus giving us the performance by joaquin phoenix
NOT BLANKET!!
_"This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."_
*~ The Joker*
I saw the title and was expecting an annoying top 5 count down. Pleasantly surprised. This feels like a nice conversation between friends
While Arthur is doing his joker makeup he holds up a picture of his mom penny and on the back it says "I love your smile-TW"
Joker... more like Smoker!
a midnight toker?
I really don’t like the idea of the whole movie being in Joker’s head. There’s definitely some scenes I could definitely see as being in his head, but I think the idea of a majority of the movie’s events not happening is a lot less interesting than them actually happening.
I didn't like that the Joker even got a name. He's not allowed to have one or even an origin story. So I think leaving it all open is one of the best compromises. In my head he still hasn't an origin story.
It's so good to see that, this year I'll also using CinemaVariety to watching that
This movie is just a visual representation of a story that the Joker is telling his therapist in Arkham explaining the apparent events that lead up to the MurRAY incident, the joker is painting himself as a defenceless, mentally ill man to manipulate the therapist into feeling sorry for him, I think he is laughing at the fact that he imagined he killed Bruce’s parents, “whose the orphan now” is a phrase I can best describe how he’s thinking. Therapist (and us) let our guard down and he is able to escape, be it for a laugh or to genuinely escape, that’s what I took home after seeing it 3 times
My theory is that guy in the wig was Bruce Willis. THE WHOLE TIME
“Smile and put on a happy face”
-Everyone 2019
2:19 I died. Yeah, WHY was he there? 😆
My buddy thinks Joker had the gun prior to the film's start and that the guy giving it to him was fake, and him saying that Arthur trying to buy a 38 off him was true, since the guy act like he doesnt know what Arthur is talking about when Arthur says it was his gun
so he imagined him imagining that he has a girlfriend? and imagined him imagining being on a tv show? that makes no sense. i’m pretty sure some of it is real and some of it isn’t. that’s it. why are people over complicating this
It's because the questioning of reality is central to the entire Joker mystique. In comics he mentions how he prefers his history to be multiple choice. I think that a good argument can be made that the escalating of the riots perfectly conforms to the anarchy building in himself. As for delusions in delusions... Have you ever had a dream where you are confronted by something and your brain suddenly creates a memory or thought to put it in context or to make your mind justify it? The mind will create or destroy what it needs to keep the dream narrative going. So yes, delusions in delusions inside a dreamworld are possible.
CrazyJimmi9 you’re a nerd
to the audience yes it will seem like the incosistencies will look like the coherent ones are real and the obvious fake ones are imagined but to him as the one costructing the story both are imagined, just one is more polished and the other is not. this is what usually happens when you do world building inside your head.
Theory: joker didn’t kill those 3 men on the train someone else did that someone else did but he thinks he did it.
The gun was such a focal point in the end I believe he really did that, he killed those other people too, don't let that sadistic maniac fool you...he is the real JOKER
Throughout the whole movie you have switching between Arthur & Joker. You can tell that not only when Arthur is masked but also when he is without mask with slicked back hair such as in that scene with social worker when he's says "All I have are negative thoughts”,that was actually Joker even we thought it's Arthur. Arthur has completely different hair style. Also, you will notice different handwriting in his notebook. One is written by Arthur, other by Joker. Connect all that with Camera test teaser when Arthur stand still while Joker constantly appears over him and you'll get one weird, creepy, twisted movie which is even deeper then we all thought. Masterpiece!
I can't wait for H8 Mail: Joker version