She has to stay on the ship for this show to work but she's a much better renegade. The way she's evolved puts her at odds with the red tape of Starfleet. Though other SF officers in the past have put their gut before their orders like when Worf saved Jadzia rather than complete his mission. He got dressed down but it had to be done. I'm guessing Tilly will be XO with a promotion.
She's not "demoted" so to speak. She keeps her official rank and title as chief science officer, she was just relieved of her position as first officer
@@stephenavril1211 Ja. Das ist eben die Sache, dass viele, englische Begriffe mehrere Bedeutngen haben können. So bedeutet Demotion eben nicht nur Degradierung, sondern eben auch Rückstufung. Sie ist nicht degradiert worden, sondern zurückgestuft, von ihrem Posten als Erster Offizier
Man you can just see how much it pains the Admiral, Saru, and Burnham how this played out. As the Admiral said, he would have green-lit the mission if asked. But because it was not, and because Burnham defied orders, they're all put in a difficult position. None of them want to do this, but it had to be done. Burnham, while a reliable and competent person, has proven that she is not reliable as a first officer. In the end, it's best it turned out this way though, and they all know it. Especially with that line "The only reason you're not in the brig is because you saved lives", an acknowledgement that Burnham was being true to the ideals of the Federation, and being a good representative of the Federation... but not a good officer.
That was a really good scene. I really like that we have a character like Burnham that actually is punished for stepping out of line despite doing it for the right reason, its more realistic. No offense to Kirk and friends lol
I'm thinking that in a weird sense, that Georgio is going to be made the first officer. Sure, she has some pretty shady background, but so did Chakotay. She also has a wealth of command experience, Terran Empire or otherwise, and like Chakotay, this wouldn't be a precedent. Its already happened before.
Except Chakotay actually cared about his crew that he was a commander of. He made the choice to side with Janeway out of the need for survival, knowing full well it would lead to the brig. Georgio....cared little if not less about everyone, she gave the lipsservice but all she cared about was maintaining her power.
She's better off as an explorer. She's best where she's suppose to be; out in the field. Saru took no pleasure in doing this demotion. But it's needed for Burnham to get where she needs to be.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. did we forget Voyage? Cpt Janeway? Their whole point of that show is that she made decisions which, yeah, fucked them, but she thought was right. You're all pretending like it never happened. As if Burnham is the worst thing since to fungus, but we've already had examples other star trek jmof her. I know you all want t everything to be perfect, but the reality is that no star trek is perfect. I mean, I've watched all starting with TNG back when it was still airing. No real connection toanythinf older though they're ok. All this hate for discovery is unwarranted when. You remember all those other ones. It just the few episodes y'all use to compare. Bit the whole season of all of them
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. Actually Kirk didn't, he went back in time with the crew to get whales to save earth and starfleet, he disobeyed orders when he was relieved of duty and Enterprise was to be decommissioned and retired with everybody else being transferred to other places like Scotty with the USS Excelsior, even in the reboot Abrhams version, he disobeyed orders NOT to go to Enterprise and stay in starfleet academy as well as NOT to interfere with lifeforms who do not have warp capabilities. That's why Kirk was demoted from Admiral to Captain because he destroyed the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) in order for it not to fall into klingon hands. Picard also did that too - he disobeyed Starfleets orders in First Contact to not engage the Borg at Sector 001 because of what Jean Luc went through becoming Locutus of Borg. However, Starfleet is not so starry eyed as we all think either; they had several officers on there who were traitors like Sisko's grandfather who betrayed Starfleet in order to start another war with the Klingons, or the Starfleet officer who wanted Picard off of duty as Captain of the Enterprise-D but blew up because she got caught out etc.
As of now, Burnham is not fit to be a crewmember. She needs to be an operative of Starfleet, one who can get the job done without her mission being traced back to Starfleet.
In order for her to get the job done, she would need flexibility, the ability to operate autonomously and an organization to provide her with the logistics, resources and support she'd need. Section 31 would do well to extend an invite to Burnham.
Not demoted - she keeps her rank of commander. Rather, she's been reassigned. In real-life, this would end an officer's career as she would likely never be promoted again. But this is STD, so, yeah, as someone else here said, give her her own command / ship already.
She kept her rank, true...but she was demoted in the chain of command on Discovery (and, I think rightly so). Burnham has trust issues; she always had, and she probably always will. She's not the best team player in the crew, because she trusts her own judgement more than she trusts the people around her - and that's what's gotten her in so much trouble. She DOES trust some people more than others; Saru, for one. But she hasn't reached the point where - even with him - she's able to sublimate her drive to solve every problem herself within a team setting.... and that's what's so frustrating with she and Saru. They are friends, obviously; but, he simply can't trust her enough for full friendship, because she keeps compromising it when she shouldn't. He did exactly what he had to do; she's a brilliant person, so she stays on as chief science officer - but she's not at the top of the official chain of command of Discovery any more. And that's probably for the best. Even Tilly recognizes when Burnham's gone past her boundaries! Who should replace her as first officer? My choice would be Lt. Nilsson - who should be promoted to Lt. Commander for the role. She replaced Airiam as the spore drive ops officer on the bridge after Airiam's death, and impressed Capt. Pike with the way she took over the position. More than once, she's been given temp. command of the bridge when senior officers are away; and, unlike Burnham, she's a very by-the-book type of officer. Exactly what Saru needs from his first officer. He needs to be able to trust whoever he puts in the center chair when he's not on the bridge.... and she's the best choice. She can't do it as a Lieutenant; she needs more rank in order to lead the rest of the crew, so Saru (and Admiral Vance) should give her a field promotion to Lt. Commander.... while leaving her to also continue as the spore drive ops officer on the bridge. (She can start training someone to back her up in that role when she's busy with first officer duties). She's the logical choice; no one else on the bridge has the seniority, experience, or temperament; and she's proven she can run things herself when she needs to. The only people on the bridge who would outrank her would be either Saru or Burnham - and Burnham's no longer first officer herself! Also, as a Lt. Commander, she'll have enough authority to direct Stamets, Culber, or even Reno (who has the rank of Commander herself) and anyone else she needs to - if she's chosen for the position by Saru.
@@Skybar23 Oh, I don't see that at all; if that were the case, she would have aligned herself with Leland, and probably also given him her mother's timesuit technology before the battle at Zahea! No, she's not Section 31 - she just has trust issues that prevent her from being a true team player.
Okay, they really need to show us what Starfleet has been surmising on their own. Can we really believe they don't have their own department investigating possible causes after one-hundred and twenty years?
@@dwnkaomwn3953 Discovery is still their only rapid responder. They need to expand carefully and Discovery will be a huge target for other factions considering they are the only one with the spore drive. Either they built more spore drive in time which they don't have the resources now or they can just send Discovery out with a potential of more than 100 factions want that ship for their own.
@@tryomama installing the spore drive is not a problem. they can do it, its 32nd century. it easy peasy for them. The only problem now is, the navigator. Now, only stamets are the navigator. And also a risk, as he is human and can die at any moment. Should anything happen to him. Spore drive will be useless without its navigator. They need to solve how to replace a human navigator to nonsentient or non organic one.
Always speaking out of line to the Admiral, always disobeying orders That redhead was right she's making discovery crew look bad with her actions🙄 I would have kicked her off my ship🤨 So entitled and selfish.
That doesn't work. Remember that you can convince the computer to let you out and any hologram guards can just be blinked away. But hey, maybe we'll get a Klingon with her memories / mirror universe / sporeverse echo to replace her.
Hlshes honestly not dislikable. Ot everyone agrees with everything. Just saying, if I followed EVERY rule I iraq. I'd be dead 9x for sure. Maybe balut 16x in general
@Mar celo what? Are you just baf at English or are you very young, making normal mistakes, but dont actually understand what's going on? If I deciphered correctly, I think you're tying to say that you hate that shes intelligent, and she thinks shes always correct, and that she tells men what to do. And every so often she doesn't follow commands...that last one is weird. Starting off, yes she thinks shes right. As would anyone who's trained to do something. If we're both trained to do something and there is a problem, you'll probably have one solution, and I'll have another. And hopefully one of ours will be right. It would suck for both of ours to be wrong Anyway, we are two different people that may approach the same problem differently. That's the idea. And she was trained as Starfleet and first as Vulcan, with logic being the main idea..so of COURSE shes going to think shes always right. She tells men what to do? I mean, honestly, the Male characters amare either gay, like the docs, is a security guardwho's, by rank and situation, under her, or that alien who spent most of his whole existencein fear. Shte he was able to become the leader, but that was all part of HIS journey. To have gone through all he has. What were seeing are multiple journeys. So..do.you feel like Burnham is a man hater who tells ALL men what to do? Why do you feel that way? Cause you relate to the doc and scientist who's job position is under her and maybe you're gay? Because you're an alien who lives life in fear but has this commanding lady who's ready to make the next I initiative? Because you're a security officer who has skills, but has been abused and tortured and havent gotten over that as of yet? Why do you FEEL she's just some loufh mouth, man hating woman? Cause other than those reasons, there really is no hint of that in her character. Or are you an evil captain from another universe trying to kill everyone for your all in cause to get back to your barbaric universe, where she doesn't see through yourplans, but she knows that certain things you're doing is out of character w To who starfleet is. And while she DOES agree with some things, she knows the line where its making sure things happen vs all out fuck you to starfleet. So, again, what part of man hating do you relate to? And mind you, in a 36yr kid man as if the day I'm posting this. Bday just passed yesterday. I've grown through the TNG fmphase all through the rest of star trek. Ik. O need about it nor am I gay. I'm not even the Biggest Fan of star trek. I simply always thought it was Kinda interesting. What's even more inter to me now, is that people thinf Discovery is some put of this world far di8thing that what ice seen in all the time of star trek since TNG and its not
"They only reason you're not in the brig .. " is because you are crucial to the season plot line. I hate this sort of stuff. Get us back to GoT where folks we love just got straight up murdered for no good reason! Let's have some chaos!
FINALLY glad to see people talking down to Burnham for once. I swear if Discovery didn't have the whole 'it all revolves around Michael Burnham' trope...it wouldn't have been so terrible. Take away Michael Burnham, and Discovery is 'tolerable'. If anything, that admiral should take direct command, have Saru as his second, send Tilly back to engineering where she damn well belongs and give Burnham the brig she damn well deserves.
Actually saru has trust issues and he is always sus and always want to follow order and please his seniors he is always afraid to take action even after vahrai. She told him that booker is missing and in trouble and that she will find data of burn there but he refused to do anything If it was pike or other captain they would have sent her with tilly or someone else to get data and help booker and also go help the people that admiral wants them to help. Do both things simoutainsly.
What was the point of making this character raised by Vulcans? Vulcans, the race known for their unemotionality, raised Burnham, a character who practically leaps at the opportunity to do her fucking cry face at the camera every fucking episode.
What was the near sobbing about at the end? Both her and Saru sounded like they were on the verge of crying like toddlers through it all. ‘All (SOB) I’ve done since (SOB) coming here (SOB) is look for the reason for (SOB) the burn (SOB)..’ she sounded like a five year old crying when they couldn’t watch their cartoons! cringe!
I agree tbh, her insuborniate actions and her obsession to do things cuz she deems them necessary have put others at risk even with some results being positive, the command structure exists for a reason and since she hasnt gone through starfleet academy to learn the most basic realities of being a starfleet officer all the way back to the 1st episode, she just isnt capable of responsible positions, also i dont like how she just accepts the punishment saying saru did the right thing only for her to do the very actions again in like 2 episodes after, like she has in every episode prior
I hate to just jump on all the Burnham-hate, but she really does drag down the show she's supposed to be the main character of. EVERY character in the show is more interesting and compelling than she is. She briefly had some relatability when she was squabbling with Spock, but that's gone now and once again she's just an overacting Mary Sue. I sincerely hope the show will dump her at the end of the season and spend the rest of its run focusing on its much better supporting cast.
Uh-oh that Admiral is going to die. I've noticed every Male character *that talks down* to a woman on this show ends up Dead (Admiral from the pilot, Tkuvma, Lorca, Blue Shirt from the Enterprise, Leeland, etc) 👌😄
I don’t watch this show but I saw the first three episodes. I have nothing against it in its pursuit for diversity, which has always been an important part of Star Trek, but I hate the way this series is filmed. Especially shots like 2:09 In style I think it looks overproduced and ugly, it’s not very charming or tasteful whatsoever.
I disagree, the dutch tilt in this scene emphasizes how Saru has to compose himself and be the "bigger man" and do what he doesn't want to do while it shows Burnham in a "small" position. Also dutch tilts are supposed to show a state of confusion where the character is struggling (other lesser directors have overused it so badly that now it's a punch line). I'd say that in this instance, when Saru has to punish Burnham even though he doesn't want to is perfect for using a dutch tilt.
@@MegaParrotMan Yes, Burnham disobeyed orders and got penalized for it, but that Intel was too important to pass up, especially if it has something to do with the Burn. Burnham knew that and accepted the consequences.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 Well Saru put her in that position instead of going to the admiral in the first place and sharing the information with starfleet. Instead of being a good leader he said no end of discussion. On top of that he did it based on his own assumption on how broken starfleet is and what they can handle, and there is an 80 percent chance he doesn't know all the ins and outs of whats going on. To quote Tilly "Saru made that choice and didn't give starfleet a choice in the matter" so in that sense he messed up for both starfleet and Burnham. I don't disagree that Burnham messed up but Saru has some blame too. She also needs to either get herself back in the starfleet mindset or leave the show because I am sick and tired of the Burnham effect.
@Mar celo Wesley got better as TNG went on, was given less screen time, was made less prominent overall, and eventually left the show as he joined that Traveler Dude to explore the galaxy. The thing is... Wesely is better than Burnham because he was never worshipped the way Burnham is on Discovery. Sure, Wesley would save the day sometimes, and be obnoxious, but he also would get called out on it by other characters, and no one would ever feel BAD about calling him out, unlike in Discovery with Tilly and Saru who both seem to feel conflicted for some reason about reprimanding Burnham for her insubordination and obnoxious behavior.
The writing on this series is terrible The characters are not likeable All the tech just gets annoying after awhile There is nothing remotely Star Trekkie about anything in this series Why is this even on its 3rd season? True Star Trek lovers cannot be watching this crap I know who is people who dont know Star Trek
She has to stay on the ship for this show to work but she's a much better renegade. The way she's evolved puts her at odds with the red tape of Starfleet. Though other SF officers in the past have put their gut before their orders like when Worf saved Jadzia rather than complete his mission. He got dressed down but it had to be done. I'm guessing Tilly will be XO with a promotion.
She's not "demoted" so to speak. She keeps her official rank and title as chief science officer, she was just relieved of her position as first officer
That is still being demoted
@@stephenavril1211 Ja. Das ist eben die Sache, dass viele, englische Begriffe mehrere Bedeutngen haben können. So bedeutet Demotion eben nicht nur Degradierung, sondern eben auch Rückstufung. Sie ist nicht degradiert worden, sondern zurückgestuft, von ihrem Posten als Erster Offizier
@@matthiaseckert4022 I have no idea what you are saying.
@@stephenavril1211 don't give up. Learn another language.....
@@matthiaseckert4022 what does that have to do with this
Man you can just see how much it pains the Admiral, Saru, and Burnham how this played out. As the Admiral said, he would have green-lit the mission if asked. But because it was not, and because Burnham defied orders, they're all put in a difficult position. None of them want to do this, but it had to be done. Burnham, while a reliable and competent person, has proven that she is not reliable as a first officer.
In the end, it's best it turned out this way though, and they all know it. Especially with that line "The only reason you're not in the brig is because you saved lives", an acknowledgement that Burnham was being true to the ideals of the Federation, and being a good representative of the Federation... but not a good officer.
That was a really good scene. I really like that we have a character like Burnham that actually is punished for stepping out of line despite doing it for the right reason, its more realistic. No offense to Kirk and friends lol
So its typical that Star Trek in the first few seasons is a little rough, but when it takes off , its Gone!!!! Good Job.
For TNG yes the rest no so much STD jokes.
@@brokenhalo2001 ummm...TNG, DS9, VOYAGER, ENTERPRISE...
No, star trek discovery was rough and annoying the entire show which is why it was demed a failure
basically it's a shakedown cruise of the cast, and finding a writing groove for the primary characters. Doug Jones was spot on in this season.
Well-written scenes, spot-on acting, and good Star Trek?! What?!!
I'm thinking that in a weird sense, that Georgio is going to be made the first officer. Sure, she has some pretty shady background, but so did Chakotay. She also has a wealth of command experience, Terran Empire or otherwise, and like Chakotay, this wouldn't be a precedent. Its already happened before.
Except Chakotay actually cared about his crew that he was a commander of. He made the choice to side with Janeway out of the need for survival, knowing full well it would lead to the brig. Georgio....cared little if not less about everyone, she gave the lipsservice but all she cared about was maintaining her power.
Wasn’t she a genocidal war mongerer in her dimension?
@@loginbrags7016 Tilly no.1.
Georgiou is also an amoral genocidal despot. I wouldn't really want Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot on my staff, personally.
She's better off as an explorer. She's best where she's suppose to be; out in the field.
Saru took no pleasure in doing this demotion. But it's needed for Burnham to get where she needs to be.
Lol, head of security should be demoted too. Worf, Tasha, Malcolm and Tuvok would have detected an unauthorized launch.
Just make her captain already.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. so...how did we get voyage? Lol
@Tejesh Patel to be fair, as captain, SHE'D be making decisions. Therefore, she won't be disobeying
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. did we forget Voyage? Cpt Janeway?
Their whole point of that show is that she made decisions which, yeah, fucked them, but she thought was right.
You're all pretending like it never happened. As if Burnham is the worst thing since to fungus, but we've already had examples other star trek jmof her.
I know you all want t everything to be perfect, but the reality is that no star trek is perfect. I mean, I've watched all starting with TNG back when it was still airing. No real connection toanythinf older though they're ok.
All this hate for discovery is unwarranted when. You remember all those other ones. It just the few episodes y'all use to compare. Bit the whole season of all of them
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. Actually Kirk didn't, he went back in time with the crew to get whales to save earth and starfleet, he disobeyed orders when he was relieved of duty and Enterprise was to be decommissioned and retired with everybody else being transferred to other places like Scotty with the USS Excelsior, even in the reboot Abrhams version, he disobeyed orders NOT to go to Enterprise and stay in starfleet academy as well as NOT to interfere with lifeforms who do not have warp capabilities. That's why Kirk was demoted from Admiral to Captain because he destroyed the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) in order for it not to fall into klingon hands.
Picard also did that too - he disobeyed Starfleets orders in First Contact to not engage the Borg at Sector 001 because of what Jean Luc went through becoming Locutus of Borg. However, Starfleet is not so starry eyed as we all think either; they had several officers on there who were traitors like Sisko's grandfather who betrayed Starfleet in order to start another war with the Klingons, or the Starfleet officer who wanted Picard off of duty as Captain of the Enterprise-D but blew up because she got caught out etc.
As of now, Burnham is not fit to be a crewmember. She needs to be an operative of Starfleet, one who can get the job done without her mission being traced back to Starfleet.
So, Section 31 type stuff?
I still think discovery is early section section 21 or similar R&D division , giving what i got from Stamis rant to Burnham 🤔
She was never fit to be in Starfleet. The first ten minutes of S1 E1 proved that.
@@eggnorman or Mariner
In order for her to get the job done, she would need flexibility, the ability to operate autonomously and an organization to provide her with the logistics, resources and support she'd need.
Section 31 would do well to extend an invite to Burnham.
Burnham needs to be jettisoned out an airlock door! IMMEDIATELY!
I would demote her for the incessant whispery voice and looking like she is about to cry or break out laughing at any moment.
Not demoted - she keeps her rank of commander. Rather, she's been reassigned. In real-life, this would end an officer's career as she would likely never be promoted again. But this is STD, so, yeah, as someone else here said, give her her own command / ship already.
Somehow to me, it doesn't sound so bad for Michael
She kept her rank, true...but she was demoted in the chain of command on Discovery (and, I think rightly so). Burnham has trust issues; she always had, and she probably always will. She's not the best team player in the crew, because she trusts her own judgement more than she trusts the people around her - and that's what's gotten her in so much trouble. She DOES trust some people more than others; Saru, for one. But she hasn't reached the point where - even with him - she's able to sublimate her drive to solve every problem herself within a team setting.... and that's what's so frustrating with she and Saru. They are friends, obviously; but, he simply can't trust her enough for full friendship, because she keeps compromising it when she shouldn't. He did exactly what he had to do; she's a brilliant person, so she stays on as chief science officer - but she's not at the top of the official chain of command of Discovery any more. And that's probably for the best. Even Tilly recognizes when Burnham's gone past her boundaries!
Who should replace her as first officer? My choice would be Lt. Nilsson - who should be promoted to Lt. Commander for the role. She replaced Airiam as the spore drive ops officer on the bridge after Airiam's death, and impressed Capt. Pike with the way she took over the position. More than once, she's been given temp. command of the bridge when senior officers are away; and, unlike Burnham, she's a very by-the-book type of officer. Exactly what Saru needs from his first officer. He needs to be able to trust whoever he puts in the center chair when he's not on the bridge.... and she's the best choice. She can't do it as a Lieutenant; she needs more rank in order to lead the rest of the crew, so Saru (and Admiral Vance) should give her a field promotion to Lt. Commander.... while leaving her to also continue as the spore drive ops officer on the bridge. (She can start training someone to back her up in that role when she's busy with first officer duties).
She's the logical choice; no one else on the bridge has the seniority, experience, or temperament; and she's proven she can run things herself when she needs to. The only people on the bridge who would outrank her would be either Saru or Burnham - and Burnham's no longer first officer herself! Also, as a Lt. Commander, she'll have enough authority to direct Stamets, Culber, or even Reno (who has the rank of Commander herself) and anyone else she needs to - if she's chosen for the position by Saru.
@@SeatBill shes more suited to section 31 than discovery
@@Skybar23 Oh, I don't see that at all; if that were the case, she would have aligned herself with Leland, and probably also given him her mother's timesuit technology before the battle at Zahea! No, she's not Section 31 - she just has trust issues that prevent her from being a true team player.
@@SeatBill Is there still a Section 31 in this timeline?
Okay, they really need to show us what Starfleet has been surmising on their own. Can we really believe they don't have their own department investigating possible causes after one-hundred and twenty years?
Nope cause no one but MB has the intelligence or foresight to look into anything on their own in this universe that revolves around MB.
Like the admiral said what was left of starfleet didn't have the resources left to investigate the cause of the burn.
@@drmayeda1930 They do now with the Discovery and her crew.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 Discovery is still their only rapid responder. They need to expand carefully and Discovery will be a huge target for other factions considering they are the only one with the spore drive. Either they built more spore drive in time which they don't have the resources now or they can just send Discovery out with a potential of more than 100 factions want that ship for their own.
@@tryomama installing the spore drive is not a problem. they can do it, its 32nd century. it easy peasy for them. The only problem now is, the navigator. Now, only stamets are the navigator. And also a risk, as he is human and can die at any moment. Should anything happen to him. Spore drive will be useless without its navigator. They need to solve how to replace a human navigator to nonsentient or non organic one.
They should have just called this show, Star Trek Burnham.
As expected, gonna make her earn her title as first officer again
You know she's gonna save the day and be praised as a deity by the next episode 😄
I really hope so
I hope she not praised that quickly Burham needs to earn that first officer status again slowly. Including Saru's respect and trust as well.
Then get promoted to captain! Maybe even a new ship!
WHY IS SHE WHISPERING??
IT JUST GOES WELL WITH ALL THE CRYING.
Why are you yelling? LMAO
She's controlling her emotions.
0:00 nice look at voyager j on the right side holograms
Star Trek Crying that's the true name of the show
No kidding, I check out three clips and she’s crying in everyone of them.
which is why i watch it like this on youtube
technically reassigned
Always speaking out of line to the Admiral, always disobeying orders
That redhead was right she's making discovery crew look bad with her actions🙄 I would have kicked her off my ship🤨 So entitled and selfish.
all that acting effort...to only end up as demotion. Thought she would be thrown into the Brig at least
Well the leniency in this case is understandable. As the admiiral said, she saved a lot of lives
@@umairbutt1355 -This time...
That doesn't work. Remember that you can convince the computer to let you out and any hologram guards can just be blinked away. But hey, maybe we'll get a Klingon with her memories / mirror universe / sporeverse echo to replace her.
love seeing this guy put Burnham in her place
Discovery isn't just Star Fleet or Federation, its a Family.
and that's what's so powerful about it
She crossed the line....AGAIN!!!!
At least noone died this time 😂
Ship her off to Section 31, if it still exists.
This is getting old
does she do anything but disobey orders, speak in a soft whisper and cry? good grief 🙄
Oh, Burnham crying again. Dear Lord, where did Trek go.
It went into whatever room that justifiably angry Admiral walked into after lecturing Miss Insubordination.
Im sure other species in the Universe are wondering WTF is earth doinf?
Goddard it burnham just keeps falling upward
They need to find out what happened because time is running out
The writers need to stop making Michael so damn unlikable.
Hlshes honestly not dislikable.
Ot everyone agrees with everything.
Just saying, if I followed EVERY rule I iraq. I'd be dead 9x for sure. Maybe balut 16x in general
@Mar celo what? Are you just baf at English or are you very young, making normal mistakes, but dont actually understand what's going on?
If I deciphered correctly, I think you're tying to say that you hate that shes intelligent, and she thinks shes always correct, and that she tells men what to do. And every so often she doesn't follow commands...that last one is weird.
Starting off, yes she thinks shes right. As would anyone who's trained to do something. If we're both trained to do something and there is a problem, you'll probably have one solution, and I'll have another. And hopefully one of ours will be right. It would suck for both of ours to be wrong
Anyway, we are two different people that may approach the same problem differently. That's the idea.
And she was trained as Starfleet and first as Vulcan, with logic being the main idea..so of COURSE shes going to think shes always right.
She tells men what to do? I mean, honestly, the Male characters amare either gay, like the docs, is a security guardwho's, by rank and situation, under her, or that alien who spent most of his whole existencein fear. Shte he was able to become the leader, but that was all part of HIS journey. To have gone through all he has.
What were seeing are multiple journeys.
So..do.you feel like Burnham is a man hater who tells ALL men what to do? Why do you feel that way? Cause you relate to the doc and scientist who's job position is under her and maybe you're gay? Because you're an alien who lives life in fear but has this commanding lady who's ready to make the next I initiative? Because you're a security officer who has skills, but has been abused and tortured and havent gotten over that as of yet?
Why do you FEEL she's just some loufh mouth, man hating woman? Cause other than those reasons, there really is no hint of that in her character.
Or are you an evil captain from another universe trying to kill everyone for your all in cause to get back to your barbaric universe, where she doesn't see through yourplans, but she knows that certain things you're doing is out of character w
To who starfleet is. And while she DOES agree with some things, she knows the line where its making sure things happen vs all out fuck you to starfleet.
So, again, what part of man hating do you relate to?
And mind you, in a 36yr kid man as if the day I'm posting this. Bday just passed yesterday. I've grown through the TNG fmphase all through the rest of star trek. Ik. O need about it nor am I gay. I'm not even the Biggest Fan of star trek. I simply always thought it was Kinda interesting.
What's even more inter to me now, is that people thinf Discovery is some put of this world far di8thing that what ice seen in all the time of star trek since TNG and its not
They have made a balls up this season. they should have done part Burnham part Discovery.
"They only reason you're not in the brig .. " is because you are crucial to the season plot line. I hate this sort of stuff. Get us back to GoT where folks we love just got straight up murdered for no good reason! Let's have some chaos!
Just asking cause I have no military experience....what kind of officer CRIES when they are punished for disobeying a superior officer???
How many times has she been demoted now?
Star Trek : The Wrath of Tears
Who is Suru?
FINALLY glad to see people talking down to Burnham for once. I swear if Discovery didn't have the whole 'it all revolves around Michael Burnham' trope...it wouldn't have been so terrible. Take away Michael Burnham, and Discovery is 'tolerable'.
If anything, that admiral should take direct command, have Saru as his second, send Tilly back to engineering where she damn well belongs and give Burnham the brig she damn well deserves.
Any more damns ?
A CinC doesn’t take line duty.
Burnham belongs in section 31.
There are so many rules and laws that put restrictions on her operational way of doing things.
Michael spends too much time apologizing.
Actually saru has trust issues and he is always sus and always want to follow order and please his seniors he is always afraid to take action even after vahrai.
She told him that booker is missing and in trouble and that she will find data of burn there but he refused to do anything
If it was pike or other captain they would have sent her with tilly or someone else to get data and help booker and also go help the people that admiral wants them to help.
Do both things simoutainsly.
Ok, that was a little bit deep.
Can she talk in something other than a whisper and cry talk.
They need to rename it Cry Trek, because it seems like people are always crying in like every episode. It gets old fast!
Stat Trek for AA's
Saru
Wow, Burnham screwed up again? That's a surprise... (irony inside...)
Only a couple more till she catches up to Riker, Worf and Picard.
@@davidtuttle7556 All of these people wear uniform made of plot armor!
@@tofton1977 yup. Only Worf seems to have faced real and lasting consequences.
What was the point of making this character raised by Vulcans? Vulcans, the race known for their unemotionality, raised Burnham, a character who practically leaps at the opportunity to do her fucking cry face at the camera every fucking episode.
What was the near sobbing about at the end? Both her and Saru sounded like they were on the verge of crying like toddlers through it all. ‘All (SOB) I’ve done since (SOB) coming here (SOB) is look for the reason for (SOB) the burn (SOB)..’ she sounded like a five year old crying when they couldn’t watch their cartoons! cringe!
Because that's what Burnham does. Cry. A lot. All the time.
Because (SOB) they are friends (CRY)?
@@BeardedDanishViking 😂😂😂😂😂
And the haters go wild!
That is nonsense. That has nothing to do with StarTrek anymore.
Why are they ruining the StrarTrek franchise?
Hmm Burham disobeying orders, running off with no clue and causing more harm? This is her about every season isn't it?
I agree tbh, her insuborniate actions and her obsession to do things cuz she deems them necessary have put others at risk even with some results being positive, the command structure exists for a reason and since she hasnt gone through starfleet academy to learn the most basic realities of being a starfleet officer all the way back to the 1st episode, she just isnt capable of responsible positions, also i dont like how she just accepts the punishment saying saru did the right thing only for her to do the very actions again in like 2 episodes after, like she has in every episode prior
Star trek has gonne ape shit long time ago .....
I hate to just jump on all the Burnham-hate, but she really does drag down the show she's supposed to be the main character of. EVERY character in the show is more interesting and compelling than she is. She briefly had some relatability when she was squabbling with Spock, but that's gone now and once again she's just an overacting Mary Sue. I sincerely hope the show will dump her at the end of the season and spend the rest of its run focusing on its much better supporting cast.
SARU NOT SURU
Good ol' "Mikey-spock" thinkin' she knows best and doin whatever the hell she wants... One of the reasons I dropped this crapfest in season one.
its not the first time shes been in that spot. didnt she single handily start a war the Klingons?
Uh-oh that Admiral is going to die. I've noticed every Male character *that talks down* to a woman on this show ends up Dead (Admiral from the pilot, Tkuvma, Lorca, Blue Shirt from the Enterprise, Leeland, etc) 👌😄
@Mar celo They blew up his ship kamakaze style... he was never seen again. He dead
I don’t watch this show but I saw the first three episodes. I have nothing against it in its pursuit for diversity, which has always been an important part of Star Trek, but I hate the way this series is filmed. Especially shots like 2:09
In style I think it looks overproduced and ugly, it’s not very charming or tasteful whatsoever.
I disagree, the dutch tilt in this scene emphasizes how Saru has to compose himself and be the "bigger man" and do what he doesn't want to do while it shows Burnham in a "small" position. Also dutch tilts are supposed to show a state of confusion where the character is struggling (other lesser directors have overused it so badly that now it's a punch line). I'd say that in this instance, when Saru has to punish Burnham even though he doesn't want to is perfect for using a dutch tilt.
This must be the saddest way to demote someone in star trek history. I feel bad for Michael Burnham. The ending almost made me tearful😢.
I don't like she disobeyed his orders.
She did it to save lives
@@christiangoodin347 she saved lives as a consequence not as the goal, she disobeyed orders to go looking for her boyfriend.
@@MegaParrotMan Yes, Burnham disobeyed orders and got penalized for it, but that Intel was too important to pass up, especially if it has something to do with the Burn. Burnham knew that and accepted the consequences.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 Well Saru put her in that position instead of going to the admiral in the first place and sharing the information with starfleet. Instead of being a good leader he said no end of discussion. On top of that he did it based on his own assumption on how broken starfleet is and what they can handle, and there is an 80 percent chance he doesn't know all the ins and outs of whats going on. To quote Tilly "Saru made that choice and didn't give starfleet a choice in the matter" so in that sense he messed up for both starfleet and Burnham. I don't disagree that Burnham messed up but Saru has some blame too. She also needs to either get herself back in the starfleet mindset or leave the show because I am sick and tired of the Burnham effect.
Lot of crying on this show
Burnham is often unreliable. Find someone good for first officer and let Burnham be permanently sidelined.
Another dreadful episode. I wonder what will make her cry/disobey orders/hit someone in the next episode. I miss Star Trek.
It’s dead Jim.
@@Hlbkomer then stop fucking watching it
Burnham is quite possibly the worst character in Trek history and lore.
What about Neelix?
@Mar celo Wesley got better as TNG went on, was given less screen time, was made less prominent overall, and eventually left the show as he joined that Traveler Dude to explore the galaxy. The thing is... Wesely is better than Burnham because he was never worshipped the way Burnham is on Discovery.
Sure, Wesley would save the day sometimes, and be obnoxious, but he also would get called out on it by other characters, and no one would ever feel BAD about calling him out, unlike in Discovery with Tilly and Saru who both seem to feel conflicted for some reason about reprimanding Burnham for her insubordination and obnoxious behavior.
This show is terrible!
The writing on this series is terrible The characters are not likeable All the tech just gets annoying after awhile There is nothing remotely Star Trekkie about anything in this series Why is this even on its 3rd season? True Star Trek lovers cannot be watching this crap I know who is people who dont know Star Trek
Yawn. Nobody cares.
Save the bs for some other fandom
I know Star Trek pretty well, and this series is more Star Trek than I'd like it to be.