Spock was the real heart & soul of Star Trek. His perspective, his intelligence, his morality and his deeply hidden human feelings of amazement and wonderment made the show the what it was and is.
And this show just took a huge dump on his legacy. That stupid look on Burnham's face, which I suppose is supposed to be emoting, makes me want to punch her.
"Spock was the real heart & soul of Star Trek." NO!!! He was not. The Original Star Trek became Star Trek as a whole team. And, because of that there is no Star Trek other than the original one. "His perspective, his intelligence, his morality and his deeply hidden human feelings of amazement and wonderment made the show the what it was and is." Again, WRONG!!! There is only one Star Trek and it is the original one. And, what made the original Star Trek was the whole crew as a whole. That's why, the original Star Trek characters never found their ambience when they were implemented into others.
It will always bring a tear to my eye to hear Mr. Nimoy's voice. I'm glad we had him. He left a huge mark on all our hearts, that will never be forgotten.
@@NotDuncan They do have, "I Am Spock" in audio format read by Leonard Nimoy. Unfortunately it's abridged. But I don't really mind because Leonard Nimoy could have read his grocery list and I would have been engrossed.
I wish there was a scene where we see Michael finally reads Spock’s service record. If unifying the Vulcans and Romulans were a feat, she needs to to read what happened at the Khitomer Conference. Remember, he opened the initial dialogue with Gorkon that lead to the Conference and the Accords. Not to mention his formative career on the Enterprise with TWO of Starfleet’s best Captains.
@@BGRANT777X That depends. If the invasion did happen, then it is either framed as a response to the Supernova, or it is due to the fact that Spock evacuated a number of his Romulan followers. It is an even bigger motive if D'Tan was one of those evacuated.
Or that he died, his body was rebooted by a magic science planet that was was created by a torpedo exploding in a nebula and the Vulcans then used a technique that even they thought was just a myth to put his marbles back in his head.
I really, REALLY like Book's reaction to the footage of Spock. He never knew this man, lived centuries after him - in all likelihood this is the first he's ever heard of him - but it took all of 30 seconds of hearing Spock speak that showed Book how incredible this person was.
His "chronic overachievers" line tells me he knows who Spock is. In the same way we hear of Julius Caesar, Christopher Columbus, Galleilo, Isaac Newton, Joan Of Arc, or Queen Elizabeth the 1st. Men and women who known as near mythological beings then flesh and blood. But to see the man, and know that his lady was family to this legend......would be, intimidating to say the least
@@bemasaberwyn55 you do realize that once the blatant Spanish and Italian propaganda is stripped away, Columbus was revealed to be a truly terrible and savage man. Ask any descendant of the natives of Hispaniola how they view him.,... what's that? OH YEAH... THERE ARENT ANY.. He literally obliterated the native population in his lust for gold.
Rest In Peace, Leonard Nimoy. He created a character so touching, so intelligent that is near and dear to many of us. 😞. I’m glad they put him in this episode.
Hahaha there Is only One Spock. Leonard Nimoy. Just like there is one Tony Stark Robert Downey Jr. Logan Hugh Jackman. Others may follow but the bar is set and it's Stratospheric 👊✌️
@@danivarius just ignore people like das1988 they are just close minded, feels a bit like where ST6 was all about the undiscovered country or the future, people can be afraod of change .... or just dont want to see changes ever.
The sheer profundity of this lexicon continues to amaze me. I remember Reunification very well, and its preface showing respect to Gene after his death in 1992. I was 11 years old. Flash forward to the "now" where I am an adult, and I find solace and strength and total connection between Kirk's meld with Sarek, and Picard's subsequent meld with Sarek, and ultimately, Picard's melding with Spock. Such a magnanimous transition between generations of Trek lineage. It's fundamentally powerful as a work of fiction, and it rattles the soul with the edicts of friendship, brotherhood, and sins of the father. Its wonderful storytelling that has changed my life for the better.
Whatever you think of Discovery, you can't argue that they honoured Spock's legacy here. His final goal was to unify Vulcans and Romulans, and while he never saw his goal achieved, his faith was rewarded.
I really hope they mention on this show that Spock disappeared into a black hole trying to save Romulus in 2387. The Picard series also acknowledged these events (though not Spock’s involvement) and it’s a nice way to tie in the creation of the Kelvin timeline.
@@TheLibrarianOG1 Damn, I forgot he was in Fringe. Though over the top quite often, I thoroughly enjoyed most of the show, especially the character building of John Noble's Walter Bishop was epic throughout. From a broken man, to becoming a scientist once again, doing bad things again, to realize his mistakes, and to be redeemed.
How could they be running out of dilithium? Scotty and Spock figured out how to recrystallize it in the 23rd century. That's why they had to find the nuclear wessels.
he's not talking about The Burn, he's talking about how, at the beginning of the clip, they say "even before The Burn, the Federation was running out of dilithium."
Let's be real, here...Continuity has never been the strong suit of ANY major sci-fi franchise. Hell, the MCU actively tries to maintain continuity, and still fails a lot. Star Trek has never really tried all that hard at any time.
I teared up seeing this. Even while in character, Leonard was having trouble breathing due to COPD. Leonard Nimoy-- Your character brought more compassion and less judgement to our country and the world.
I cried seeing the crap they made Star trek into. Once again Burnham is the ultimate savior the only one who can rise above it all and save the universe (lets herald in the angles singing her praises). But at least this is all in the Kelvin Universe, the one that is not canon and is effectively dead once CBS regains control of the license.
Thank you for bringing Leonard Nimoy as Spock back one last time. I cried real badly when I heard that he died. For me he will be "Forever Spock"! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
She absolutely glowed over his accomplishments. To know that her little brother not only served in Starfleet, but also went on to become a greater diplomat than even their father clearly made her very happy.
I agree. She is very proud, but then again, she never tried to find a way to go back to her original time. I wonder why she and her crew decided to stay when she clearly belongs in the 22nd.
@@andromeda5414 In other words: she is stuck in the future. Well, that sucks. I do hope a solution will present itself, but at least she has the chance to catch on everything that has happened since she disappeared. Thanks for explaining to me.
Spock the Vulcan trying to be human who finished his life by going backwards in time and saving a parallel universe. Burnham a human trying to be Vulcan who finishes her life by going for ward in time to save the universe... littrrally 2 sides of the same coin
Ngl, if you really think about it, they both have been what many call Burnham, over achievers hahaha. It's just Burnhams seem to come faster than Spocks did...
he also had a very interesting conversation with Data how it was because data was built by a human that he felt incomplete without emotions yet from a vulcan perspective he was perfect an intelegent being of pure logic
Or lazy writing! I mean this is Wesley Crusher being a traveler levels of op without earning it crap -_- I don't have an issue with Spock's sister being a badass but Leonard Nimoy spent years building the character so when he did these god level great things it felt plausible cause of how many things he has done before, but these new actors are crude, vulgar, and impatient, [ cursing/incest/murder with no care/regret at all ] they wanna be a badass in two weeks! -_-
The last word michael said before she became the red angel "listen to me little brother, this is the last advice i'll be able to give you. theres a whole galaxy out there, full of people who will reach for you, you have to let them. reach for them." that was memorable
Oh yeah without question. As much as I love both characters, Spock to me represents the ideals and optimism of Trek more than any other character in the history of Trek and think about all who fall under that category
It’s bittersweet seeing Leonard Nimoy as Spock in Star Trek discovery. As much as I or anyone else may hate this show, Leonard Nimoy is beloved by everyone and even in stock footage is acting is flawless. Live long and prosper. 🖖🏻
@@bumbledouche3323 Legend Trapped by an alien collector, Lieutenant Commander Data discovers an early 21st century android excavated from the ruins of Sunnydale and a capsule containing the frozen body of one of the Eugenic wars most notorious figures...Buffy Summers. Twisting The Hellmouth , where there are more.
I just love how astonished burnham and saru's faces were when vance says "no the romulans wanted to stay", what a reversal and show of how times have changed and how far the romulans have come as a people
Lenard Nemoy,DeForest Kelly, Jimmy Doohan, all of them that have been in our hearts and have entertained us for over 50 years ,7 series, a hell of a lot of movies and special events. You stay in our heats and memories. My children are grown and still revier and love watching the original crew. And now we have Discovery...a wonderful series. With a crew and cast of wonderful actors and writers. Thank you. Mr. Nemoy would be proud I think.
@@andytay5507 yeah. I thought the writers may have been forcing it when they made burnham into something between parent and older sibling, but DAMN did she pull it off.
If you consider the canon timeline, this isn't just Spock speaking to Picard. Only person there with recording capabilities, that i am aware of, is Data. So it may be implied that this was a scene of Spock recorded thru Data's perspective.
one thing about discovery is, there is no heavily mention of janeway or jean luc picard and their crew as much, I would prefer alot of back-dipping and moving forward at the same time. janeway's ship and crew along with picard's were crucial and pivotal...
Many years ago I read about dilithium lore. Its crystalline structure made it one of the only substances that had controllable permeability to anti Hydrogen without being destroyed so it could be used as a "valve" for m/a reactions. The m/a reaction produced the plasma that was then sent to the warp coils in the nacelles. Any energy source could be used to generate the plasma but it takes a lot of energy, m/a reactions were the most reliable and most efficient. Any other use of dilithium is either new tech or reconned, early Romulan singularity drives didn't need it nor did subspace communications.
I often wonder how much the late Leonard Nimoy had a role in the writing for Spock. His words ring true till this day. In real life, and in the story of Star Trek. The depth of Spocks humanity as a fictional character will always remain relevant to me as a fan of Star Trek. That even though all our goals in life may not be achieved in our lifetimes, the future itself holds promise. Our dreams and ideas never die, they carry on. "Closed minds have kept these two worlds apart for centuries, we can either choose to live with that enmity: or seek a way to change it. The Union of the Vulcan and the Romulan people will not be achieved by politics or by diplomacy...but it will be achieved. Like the first Vulcans, these people are struggling to a new enlightenment...and it may take decades, or even centuries for them to reach it, but they will reach it...and I must help" -Leonard Nimoy/Spock
I only regret that she never got the chance to meet Jim Kirk and find out just how much of an impact he had on Spock's life. Mike would have loved finding out how about just how much they had in common.
Hate on this series all you want. The look on Michael's face as she looked up Spock's file and the TNG clip from Unification 2 was excellence. I had my doubts about DISCO, but scenes like these are why I'm still in it for the long haul.
Because she is a selfish egomaniac...she is proud of what she did because it's painfully obvious the show writers wrote it so Burnham was responsible for what Spock became
But the show is still missing the heart and soul of what made Star Trek fully fantastic but like you said it has these moments keep you hook but these moments will only come so often they better get their act together for the show
@@lennymosca9099 It is getting better. Slowly, but it is. Season 3 started to understand that we want to see and learn more about the rest of the crew. There was less focus on Michael than in the previous seasons. There was less pew pew than the past 2 seasons and more diplomacy. Characters actually had arcs rather than being entirely one dimensional. It's not legacy trek yet or anything, but I have hopes that Season 4 will move even more in that direction and that Strange New Worlds when it releases will also benefit from the mistakes of this show's first three seasons
@@lennymosca9099 Season 3 also felt much more hopeful than the first 2 seasons despite taking place in a time where hope wasn't really a thing people had. The ending especially made it seem like the future is brighter which is at the heart of what Star Trek is
@@iamoctonate Dude season 3 had the worst story of them all it did not get better actually got worse the reason for the burn was because some kid on a literal dilithium Planet screen and magically all the dilithium in the universe just exploded or shut down..... And add to the fact that the romulans don't actually use dilithium they used literal black holes you can literally look it up there was an entire episode of Star Trek the Next Generation dealing with that.
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Incredible, they simple used the point of view of Data :o
When I heard Leonard nimoy died, I was honestly upset. Mr. Spock has being my second favorite character next to data and I like data because of him. It's always better to be human
Closed minds have kept these two worlds apart for centuries. We can either choose to live with that enmity, or seek a way to change it. The union of the Vulcan and the Romulan people will not be achieved by politics or by diplomacy. But it will be achieved. Like the first Vulcans, these people are struggling through a new enlightenment. And it may take decades or even centuries for them to reach it, but they will reach it. And I must help.
And the vulcans will probably always say that to actively discourage it. Deep down Vulcans are smart enough to know that messing with time is a bad idea and to stay as far away from it as possible. And they're totally right, episodes with time travel are usually a mess.
Seeing new Star Trek series emerge and from time to time seeing scenes where the actors from past series appear, in future scenes, is moving, I see meaningless comments and where they still do not understand the plot of Star Trek, it is a mutual interconnection that there is past, present and future. Now Star Trek cannot stay still between the 22nd, 23rd, 24th and now 25th centuries, the saga must continue showing the following centuries 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31 except the 32nd century where Star Trek Discovery comes out in part, But no one should be asked: What happened to the next generations of spacecraft? And what happened to the next generation of actors and new adventures? greetings.
Crazy after being long gone he is still apart of the Star Trek universe and this is proof they are still continuing the 1960s storyline. Amazing to be here and it’s only going to get better.
I love the idea that the romulans being who the romulans were, after joining the UFP, they were commited to their loyalty to the Federation, and the Vulcans were the ones who abandoned their centuries old allies when things got hard
While emotionally impactful, theoretically, this problem makes little sense. IF dilithium is running low, between _TNG_ and _Voyager,_ no fewer than 7 alternative power sources were discovered or utilized; why can they not find ways to use that here to power the ships?
my pet theory is that it's basically a "Roman Concrete" problem. The research may be out there and possibly accessible, but no one can get it to work because they're missing key assumptions and context that have been lost in the intervening centuries. (though they do address benamite as being even harder to come by than dilithium)
One of the reasons why I have problem with time travel into the future… the characters family is often dead and I can’t bear to watch it knowing I’m gonna cry just like I do now.
Who would thought that when they filmed Reunification back in the 90s that they would use it in future shows. Leonard Nimoy was legendary in that episode however his version of Spock will live on forever. All the actors who came after Nimoy have their own variations of the character but doesn't hold a candle to the original the only Mr.Nimoy.
Honestly I’m not really a Star Trek fan but even I can agree Nimoy gave a masterpiece of a performance I can say this because I used to sit with my grandad when he watched it
Dilithium is used in energy production, not warp. Dilithium catalyse and stabilise matter-antimatter reactions. No matter your warp technology, you still need dilithium in your power plant. The real probleme is the only material one can't replicate is latinum, thus its role as money in startrek. Dilithium is replicable.
Replicators kinda ruin Star Trek, in a way. What they should have done with replicators is that you have to have the raw materials to make something (ie hydrogen and oxygen supplies to replicate water).
Regardless of how some trek fans feel about discovery can I just say Soniqua Martin green is one hell of a actor,she can only work with what is given to her she’s awesome 👏🏾
'The Romulans wanted to stay' Ever hard to believe that the Romulans, which is the reason why the Federation was formed, and became a Federation's adversary for 2 centuries, have objected the notion for secession of their shared homeworld with the Vulcans from the Federation. It shows that society can change time to time
@@JustinConley it isn't Star Trek, therefore it literally isn't canon. If you do like the show, that is fine. That does not change the fact that it isn't canon.
I just finished watching Discovery. I can understand why people skewer it. But for me it came when I really needed a distraction from the awfulness of real life. The shows ( what some would probably call blind optimism) to me made me feel hopeful and optimistic. There are some beautiful human moments and I love how the characters support each other and strive to work together. I’m sorry the show is ending
The early seasons of this show stunk to high heaven. But then again, Next-Gen, DS9 and Voyager all had the same problem. It's beginning to FINALLY find its feet and actually feel (almost) like Star Trek.
DS9 was crap throughout, Next Gen took a season to find it footing, Voyager got worse as it went on pushing its narrative with a shite finale - even cucking the borg from terrifying to "lol look 100 cubes whatever, shoot them down" STD was a literal STD, it was unwanted, offensive, irritating and noone asked for it.
@@AzguardMike DS9 is regarded by many as the best Star Trek show, Voyager never reached its full potential and DIS is NOT abbreviated to STD by anyone except sad little manchildren. It's not unwanted because, after the JJ Abrams movies, a lot of people said "Okay, but can we have a show again please?" It's not offensive, because literally what the fuck bro? It's not irritating because it doesn't contain Wesley Crusher and it's not "noone asked for it" because bro you literally just repeated unwanted lmao.
Spock was the real heart & soul of Star Trek. His perspective, his intelligence, his morality and his deeply hidden human feelings of amazement and wonderment made the show the what it was and is.
Without his friendship with Kirk who knows what it may of looked like
And this show just took a huge dump on his legacy. That stupid look on Burnham's face, which I suppose is supposed to be emoting, makes me want to punch her.
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte that all you got.
You said "morality" twice 😁
"Spock was the real heart & soul of Star Trek."
NO!!! He was not. The Original Star Trek became Star Trek as a whole team. And, because of that there is no Star Trek other than the original one.
"His perspective, his intelligence, his morality and his deeply hidden human feelings of amazement and wonderment made the show the what it was and is."
Again, WRONG!!! There is only one Star Trek and it is the original one. And, what made the original Star Trek was the whole crew as a whole. That's why, the original Star Trek characters never found their ambience when they were implemented into others.
It will always bring a tear to my eye to hear Mr. Nimoy's voice. I'm glad we had him. He left a huge mark on all our hearts, that will never be forgotten.
I admit I have not (I am not a book reader), but have you read Nimoy's "I am not Spock", and "I am Spock"?
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 I’m sure they have them in audio format, both books are really good
No equal to the immortal character he created!
@@NotDuncan They do have, "I Am Spock" in audio format read by Leonard Nimoy. Unfortunately it's abridged. But I don't really mind because Leonard Nimoy could have read his grocery list and I would have been engrossed.
I was so glad he decided not to retire and completed his run on Fringe, he was so wonderful and it was such a different role than Spock.
I wish there was a scene where we see Michael finally reads Spock’s service record. If unifying the Vulcans and Romulans were a feat, she needs to to read what happened at the Khitomer Conference. Remember, he opened the initial dialogue with Gorkon that lead to the Conference and the Accords. Not to mention his formative career on the Enterprise with TWO of Starfleet’s best Captains.
Pike And Kirk.
He never finished unifying the Romulus and Vulcans. The plot of unification was that the romulans used his attempt as a plan to invade Vulcan.
@@BGRANT777X That depends.
If the invasion did happen, then it is either framed as a response to the Supernova, or it is due to the fact that Spock evacuated a number of his Romulan followers.
It is an even bigger motive if D'Tan was one of those evacuated.
Michael would find a kindred spirit in Jim Kirk.
Or that he died, his body was rebooted by a magic science planet that was was created by a torpedo exploding in a nebula and the Vulcans then used a technique that even they thought was just a myth to put his marbles back in his head.
I really, REALLY like Book's reaction to the footage of Spock. He never knew this man, lived centuries after him - in all likelihood this is the first he's ever heard of him - but it took all of 30 seconds of hearing Spock speak that showed Book how incredible this person was.
That makes him just like the rest of us.
His "chronic overachievers" line tells me he knows who Spock is. In the same way we hear of Julius Caesar, Christopher Columbus, Galleilo, Isaac Newton, Joan Of Arc, or Queen Elizabeth the 1st. Men and women who known as near mythological beings then flesh and blood. But to see the man, and know that his lady was family to this legend......would be, intimidating to say the least
complete shite.
Blah blah... 😏
@@bemasaberwyn55 you do realize that once the blatant Spanish and Italian propaganda is stripped away, Columbus was revealed to be a truly terrible and savage man. Ask any descendant of the natives of Hispaniola how they view him.,... what's that? OH YEAH... THERE ARENT ANY.. He literally obliterated the native population in his lust for gold.
Rest In Peace, Leonard Nimoy. He created a character so touching, so intelligent that is near and dear to many of us. 😞. I’m glad they put him in this episode.
he did not create the character Spock. He played it as an actor.
@@mikesecor6074 you underestimate how much sway he had over the character, he single handedly created all of the original lore for the Vulcans
@@mikesecor6074 No, Star Trek Discovery made it quite clear, Mikey Burnham made Spock who he became. 🤮
they retconned spock to make Michael be the end all be all of everything in the Star Trek universe. @@brentbartley6838
RIP Leonard Nimoy, legend
Leonard Nimoy, Zach Quinto or Ethan Peck. All Mr Spock. All wonderfully portrayed, the one continuity of the series
Ummm no.
Leonard Nimoy will always be king. But Ethan Peck is solidly in second place.
@mcw0530 most definitely Quinto is perfect for the big screen. But I must say for TV, Ethan Peck is doing a very good job.
uh, yes. All are Spock. @@Anth230
Hahaha there Is only One Spock. Leonard Nimoy. Just like there is one Tony Stark Robert Downey Jr. Logan Hugh Jackman. Others may follow but the bar is set and it's Stratospheric 👊✌️
Admiral Jean-Luc Picard Ambassador Spock= tears flowing of utter Joy
and it used the spock from the original series which is even better
Completely stupid scene...
das 1988 well you’re stupid but we’re not complaining 🤔🤷♂️
@@danivarius just ignore people like das1988 they are just close minded, feels a bit like where ST6 was all about the undiscovered country or the future, people can be afraod of change .... or just dont want to see changes ever.
@@Anth230 Why’s that could you enlighten us?
The sheer profundity of this lexicon continues to amaze me. I remember Reunification very well, and its preface showing respect to Gene after his death in 1992. I was 11 years old. Flash forward to the "now" where I am an adult, and I find solace and strength and total connection between Kirk's meld with Sarek, and Picard's subsequent meld with Sarek, and ultimately, Picard's melding with Spock. Such a magnanimous transition between generations of Trek lineage. It's fundamentally powerful as a work of fiction, and it rattles the soul with the edicts of friendship, brotherhood, and sins of the father. Its wonderful storytelling that has changed my life for the better.
BEAUTIFULLY SAID!!!
You need all the likes for this. _adds 10000 imaginary likes_
Just to nitpick, it's PROFOUNDNESS.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 no
@@kepcar yes
Whatever you think of Discovery, you can't argue that they honoured Spock's legacy here. His final goal was to unify Vulcans and Romulans, and while he never saw his goal achieved, his faith was rewarded.
Not his faith...his lifetime of hard work and self-sacrifice.
Chiahakwmym: He did. [PARLIAMENT SCREAMS IN RAGE AT KIRK's BULLSHIT. HE KILLS HIMSELF IN TOTAL DEFEAT.] Bloodily.
This show shat on Star Trek and its legacy.
@@purefoldnz3070 hey dudebro, you misogyny is showing. Check that.
@@APTKC2025 dudebro lol
Spock the true heart of Star Trek if not for him Trek would be just another sci-fi series.
I really hope they mention on this show that Spock disappeared into a black hole trying to save Romulus in 2387. The Picard series also acknowledged these events (though not Spock’s involvement) and it’s a nice way to tie in the creation of the Kelvin timeline.
The Picard show, only showed us the one year stuff prior to the events the star trek countdown comics
For the record, that is when he died. We know he lived for a few more years in another timeline.
I cried when I heard this show got a third season.
They mentioned the kelvin timeline with Georgiou
They mention a romulan mining vessel going back in time
when I watched this scene I got teary eyed, Leonard Nimoy and Spock will always be in my heart
Loved Leonard Nimoy as Spock and even more as William Bell in Fringe. That man is a legend and will never be forgotten.
@@TheLibrarianOG1 Damn, I forgot he was in Fringe. Though over the top quite often, I thoroughly enjoyed most of the show, especially the character building of John Noble's Walter Bishop was epic throughout. From a broken man, to becoming a scientist once again, doing bad things again, to realize his mistakes, and to be redeemed.
It disgusted me....😂
How could they be running out of dilithium? Scotty and Spock figured out how to recrystallize it in the 23rd century. That's why they had to find the nuclear wessels.
It all blew up because some technobabble made some dude sad.
he's not talking about The Burn, he's talking about how, at the beginning of the clip, they say "even before The Burn, the Federation was running out of dilithium."
Maybe you need an actual dilitihum crystal to recrystallize it.
It could only be recrystallized so many times. Voyager had to replace its dilithium as well.
Let's be real, here...Continuity has never been the strong suit of ANY major sci-fi franchise. Hell, the MCU actively tries to maintain continuity, and still fails a lot. Star Trek has never really tried all that hard at any time.
I teared up seeing this. Even while in character, Leonard was having trouble breathing due to COPD. Leonard Nimoy-- Your character brought more compassion and less judgement to our country and the world.
This is from archive footage in TNG. He wasn't diagnosed with COPD until far later...
Book's reaction says it all. Also the pride at seeing the man her brother became is, remarkable
I personally think Leonard nimoy as spock is one of if not the most important figure is Sci fi
Pretty hard to argue
@barkydogablemore fantasy than science
Ambassador Spock will always be the heart of Star Trek
I cryed seeing Leonard Nimoy as spock 🖖🏻
Happy Birthday. Live long and prosper.
Cried
Wuss. It was a stupid scene just to get Nimoy in there.
I cried seeing the crap they made Star trek into. Once again Burnham is the ultimate savior the only one who can rise above it all and save the universe (lets herald in the angles singing her praises). But at least this is all in the Kelvin Universe, the one that is not canon and is effectively dead once CBS regains control of the license.
@@walterengler5709 Well I hope you are correct. But sadly I doubt it.
Thank you for bringing Leonard Nimoy as Spock back one last time. I cried real badly when I heard that he died. For me he will be "Forever Spock"! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Michael is both so proud of who Spock became, and saddened because not only is he long gone, but also because she wasn't there to see it happen.
She absolutely glowed over his accomplishments. To know that her little brother not only served in Starfleet, but also went on to become a greater diplomat than even their father clearly made her very happy.
It was simply beautiful.
I agree. She is very proud, but then again, she never tried to find a way to go back to her original time. I wonder why she and her crew decided to stay when she clearly belongs in the 22nd.
@@DanielBrongers Temporal technology is banned due to galactic treaty. All temporal technology has been destroyed.
@@andromeda5414 In other words: she is stuck in the future. Well, that sucks. I do hope a solution will present itself, but at least she has the chance to catch on everything that has happened since she disappeared. Thanks for explaining to me.
It's heartwarming to see Spock again especially since Leonard Nimoys passing. I nearly teard up.
Spock the Vulcan trying to be human who finished his life by going backwards in time and saving a parallel universe. Burnham a human trying to be Vulcan who finishes her life by going for ward in time to save the universe... littrrally 2 sides of the same coin
Ok my mind has just been blown. Damn
Poetry!
Ngl, if you really think about it, they both have been what many call Burnham, over achievers hahaha.
It's just Burnhams seem to come faster than Spocks did...
he also had a very interesting conversation with Data how it was because data was built by a human that he felt incomplete without emotions yet from a vulcan perspective he was perfect an intelegent being of pure logic
Or lazy writing!
I mean this is Wesley Crusher being a traveler levels of op without earning it crap -_-
I don't have an issue with Spock's sister being a badass but Leonard Nimoy spent years building the character so when he did these god level great things it felt plausible cause of how many things he has done before, but these new actors are crude, vulgar, and impatient,
[ cursing/incest/murder with no care/regret at all ]
they wanna be a badass in two weeks! -_-
2:54 That Name sparks Joy to the point of screaming.
The last word michael said before she became the red angel "listen to me little brother, this is the last advice i'll be able to give you. theres a whole galaxy out there, full of people who will reach for you, you have to let them. reach for them." that was memorable
Stupid
Meanwhile her colleagues are fcking dying from section 31 ships and drones
In other words trying to take all the credit for making Spock who he was, while they actively destroyed Spock's character
@@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe Absolutely correct.
What is STD still on the aire. I thought this garbage was cancelled by now. STD is awful the worst version of Star Trek ever.
Fan service in service to the narrative done properly. Rare for this new kind of trek storytelling.
Spock will always be the heart and soul of Star Trek, with all due respect to Data.
Oh yeah without question. As much as I love both characters, Spock to me represents the ideals and optimism of Trek more than any other character in the history of Trek
and think about all who fall under that category
It’s bittersweet seeing Leonard Nimoy as Spock in Star Trek discovery. As much as I or anyone else may hate this show, Leonard Nimoy is beloved by everyone and even in stock footage is acting is flawless. Live long and prosper. 🖖🏻
Spock was nothing without Michael Burnham. It’s a shame Nimoy couldn’t meet SMG!
@@notabannedaccount8362 I agree! SMG: Sarah Michelle Gellar would have rocked his world!!! 😉😍😋😂
Did you expect that his acting would have changed?
@@bumbledouche3323 Legend
Trapped by an alien collector, Lieutenant Commander Data discovers an early 21st century android excavated from the ruins of Sunnydale and a capsule containing the frozen body of one of the Eugenic wars most notorious figures...Buffy Summers. Twisting The Hellmouth , where there are more.
@@bumbledouche3323 Like to see her in one of any series' spandex uniforms. If they can get Buffy to wear it.
Booker thinks Spock is an overachiever? wait till Burnham finally reads about the guy who replaced Pike ;)
I just love how astonished burnham and saru's faces were when vance says "no the romulans wanted to stay", what a reversal and show of how times have changed and how far the romulans have come as a people
That goes to show what Spock and Picard both showed to the Romulans. Even Nemesis showed that the Romulans were changing.
Lenard Nemoy,DeForest Kelly, Jimmy Doohan, all of them that have been in our hearts and have entertained us for over 50 years ,7 series, a hell of a lot of movies and special events. You stay in our heats and memories. My children are grown and still revier and love watching the original crew. And now we have Discovery...a wonderful series. With a crew and cast of wonderful actors and writers. Thank you. Mr. Nemoy would be proud I think.
Yes 🥰
And now Nichelle Nichols.
That bit of dialogue was always impactful, but it never made me tear up until i saw Michael's reaction
shes becoming a fine actress, isn't she?
@@andytay5507 yeah. I thought the writers may have been forcing it when they made burnham into something between parent and older sibling, but DAMN did she pull it off.
@@donanthebarbarian5177 A bottle of visine can do wonders :D
Then it meant nothing to you and you just outed yourself as a fake because you only cared about it when Burnham was involved
@@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe yawn…
This almost made me tear up...seeing Spock!
"How am I gonna do this, Spock?"
"There are always possibilities." One of Spock's greatest words of wisdom for such a question. :')
I love that we got to hear and see Nimoy one more time. Brought me to tears.
If you consider the canon timeline, this isn't just Spock speaking to Picard. Only person there with recording capabilities, that i am aware of, is Data. So it may be implied that this was a scene of Spock recorded thru Data's perspective.
one thing about discovery is, there is no heavily mention of janeway or jean luc picard and their crew as much, I would prefer alot of back-dipping and moving forward at the same time.
janeway's ship and crew along with picard's were crucial and pivotal...
It's good to see Leonard Nimoy again, I just wish they should've added pictures of Mark Lenard (Sarek) and Jane Wyatt (Amanda Grayson) as a bonus.
Lenard is such a good Sarek my all time fav.
Many years ago I read about dilithium lore.
Its crystalline structure made it one of the only substances that had controllable permeability to anti Hydrogen without being destroyed so it could be used as a "valve" for m/a reactions.
The m/a reaction produced the plasma that was then sent to the warp coils in the nacelles.
Any energy source could be used to generate the plasma but it takes a lot of energy, m/a reactions were the most reliable and most efficient.
Any other use of dilithium is either new tech or reconned, early Romulan singularity drives didn't need it nor did subspace communications.
Always and forever Spock
Didn't expect that scene to hit me so powerfully......wow!!!
I often wonder how much the late Leonard Nimoy had a role in the writing for Spock. His words ring true till this day. In real life, and in the story of Star Trek. The depth of Spocks humanity as a fictional character will always remain relevant to me as a fan of Star Trek. That even though all our goals in life may not be achieved in our lifetimes, the future itself holds promise. Our dreams and ideas never die, they carry on.
"Closed minds have kept these two worlds apart for centuries, we can either choose to live with that enmity: or seek a way to change it. The Union of the Vulcan and the Romulan people will not be achieved by politics or by diplomacy...but it will be achieved. Like the first Vulcans, these people are struggling to a new enlightenment...and it may take decades, or even centuries for them to reach it, but they will reach it...and I must help" -Leonard Nimoy/Spock
Wow, I actually got teary eyed watching this. What a powerful scene.
How to make a fanbase tear up.
Bring a classic character for an impactful cameo.
I only regret that she never got the chance to meet Jim Kirk and find out just how much of an impact he had on Spock's life. Mike would have loved finding out how about just how much they had in common.
Same. Jim became a part of Spock in a way no-one else did. It would be nice if their relationship had been acknowledged.
All founding world's left the Federation, something is up
Well haven't heard of tellar yet
@@andreslinares6429 right, I always forget them
@@yseson_ I feel like everyone forgets about Tellar tbh
That’s what I’ve been thinking. Far too much going on, even the timing of the Burn.
@@friday6448 Yeah because we don't know anything about Tellar lol. We just know them as the pig face dudes from Ent that Shran hated.
Cool to see old footage of Leonard nimoy as spock
What of Sybok ?
Sarek 1st wife b4 Amanda & Perrin...
Burnham was channeling the souls of every Trekkie who misses Leonard Nimoy every day since his passing...
Of all the performances in this episode, his was the most…human.
Spock amd Picard, the 2 immortal symbols of star trek
Picard isn't even top 3.
Picard was... now he's just an old dodderer and technically not even alive anymore.
Tribbles are the real MVP's.
Even though I’ve seen this scene twice it still makes me cry a little.
Love
Tom
And then Picard took his job and continued his mission after Spock's "Death"
Hate on this series all you want. The look on Michael's face as she looked up Spock's file and the TNG clip from Unification 2 was excellence. I had my doubts about DISCO, but scenes like these are why I'm still in it for the long haul.
Because she is a selfish egomaniac...she is proud of what she did because it's painfully obvious the show writers wrote it so Burnham was responsible for what Spock became
But the show is still missing the heart and soul of what made Star Trek fully fantastic but like you said it has these moments keep you hook but these moments will only come so often they better get their act together for the show
@@lennymosca9099 It is getting better. Slowly, but it is. Season 3 started to understand that we want to see and learn more about the rest of the crew. There was less focus on Michael than in the previous seasons. There was less pew pew than the past 2 seasons and more diplomacy. Characters actually had arcs rather than being entirely one dimensional. It's not legacy trek yet or anything, but I have hopes that Season 4 will move even more in that direction and that Strange New Worlds when it releases will also benefit from the mistakes of this show's first three seasons
@@lennymosca9099 Season 3 also felt much more hopeful than the first 2 seasons despite taking place in a time where hope wasn't really a thing people had. The ending especially made it seem like the future is brighter which is at the heart of what Star Trek is
@@iamoctonate
Dude season 3 had the worst story of them all it did not get better actually got worse the reason for the burn was because some kid on a literal dilithium Planet screen and magically all the dilithium in the universe just exploded or shut down.....
And add to the fact that the romulans don't actually use dilithium they used literal black holes you can literally look it up there was an entire episode of Star Trek the Next Generation dealing with that.
Incredible, they simple used the point of view of Data :o
Right?! Stupid how people were saying there wouldn't be any way to have that footage. They even matched the angle...
@@JasonAguirre or was it picard because he is now a synthetic life form
@@jordanreed3675 Picard probably included in the log but he wasn't synthetic when it was recorded and the video is from Data's perspective.
When I heard Leonard nimoy died, I was honestly upset. Mr. Spock has being my second favorite character next to data and I like data because of him. It's always better to be human
Nice to see that they watched canon Trek such as Enterprise and TOS to know that Vulcan was a founding member.
Closed minds have kept these two worlds apart for centuries. We can either choose to live with that enmity, or seek a way to change it. The union of the Vulcan and the Romulan people will not be achieved by politics or by diplomacy. But it will be achieved. Like the first Vulcans, these people are struggling through a new enlightenment. And it may take decades or even centuries for them to reach it, but they will reach it. And I must help.
This scene was absolutely well written, I won't lie, I did shed a tear when I saw him
3:15 Thanks for showing a glimpse of a much better Star Trek show. TNG still holds up better...few people enjoy an STD anyway.
Touching and fitting!
Say what you want about whether this show is real Trek or not. But this show know how to hit you right in the feels with every episode.
BUT THE VULCAN SCIENCE ACADEMY HAS DETERMINED TIME TRAVEL TO BE IMPOSSIBLE
Kirk: Hold my beer. Scotty, Fire up the Warp Drive for Time Travel.
And the vulcans will probably always say that to actively discourage it. Deep down Vulcans are smart enough to know that messing with time is a bad idea and to stay as far away from it as possible. And they're totally right, episodes with time travel are usually a mess.
T'Pol: I still do not believe in time tr---"
Archer: "The hell you don't."
The greatest Vulcan of all....
Nah T'pol.
Spock isn't a full vulcan.
He half human.
Unification 1&2 were my favourite episodes
Seeing new Star Trek series emerge and from time to time seeing scenes where the actors from past series appear, in future scenes, is moving, I see meaningless comments and where they still do not understand the plot of Star Trek, it is a mutual interconnection that there is past, present and future. Now Star Trek cannot stay still between the 22nd, 23rd, 24th and now 25th centuries, the saga must continue showing the following centuries 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31 except the 32nd century where Star Trek Discovery comes out in part, But no one should be asked: What happened to the next generations of spacecraft? And what happened to the next generation of actors and new adventures? greetings.
Rip mr.spock Leonard nemoy
Thanks Burnham for making Spock who he was! You are trully the best.
RIP Leonard Nimoy. Little did Burnham know, he got sent to an alternate universe with Zachary Quinto's Spock and is now deceased.
Crazy after being long gone he is still apart of the Star Trek universe and this is proof they are still continuing the 1960s storyline. Amazing to be here and it’s only going to get better.
I remember when I played STO at launch, and hearing him narrate....oh man.
This was awesome to see.
Why is she always SO INTENSE and whispering, very bizzare acting style
I cry not seeing Ash anymore. Such a lost😭
What a great episode. Finally, the hardcore negotiating action I'd been waiting for!
2:50 Coordinates readacted? Romulus was destroyed over 500 years ago.
Closer to 800 years if my math is right.
@@CWR1701 Actually, 801. But 500 should be sufficient time for records to be declassified.
It might not be coordinates for Romulus, but the location on Romulus where Spock and Picard had this conversation.
@@pyrioncelendil But it said "coordinates redacted," not "coordinates unknown."
@@pyrioncelendil and even if Picard and company were caught, the entire operation could have been classified. Even if it was centuries ago.
I am so happy that they gave Leonard Nimoy a posthumous cameo in star trek discovery.
I love the idea that the romulans being who the romulans were, after joining the UFP, they were commited to their loyalty to the Federation, and the Vulcans were the ones who abandoned their centuries old allies when things got hard
While emotionally impactful, theoretically, this problem makes little sense. IF dilithium is running low, between _TNG_ and _Voyager,_ no fewer than 7 alternative power sources were discovered or utilized; why can they not find ways to use that here to power the ships?
my pet theory is that it's basically a "Roman Concrete" problem. The research may be out there and possibly accessible, but no one can get it to work because they're missing key assumptions and context that have been lost in the intervening centuries. (though they do address benamite as being even harder to come by than dilithium)
One of the reasons why I have problem with time travel into the future… the characters family is often dead and I can’t bear to watch it knowing I’m gonna cry just like I do now.
Who would thought that when they filmed Reunification back in the 90s that they would use it in future shows. Leonard Nimoy was legendary in that episode however his version of Spock will live on forever. All the actors who came after Nimoy have their own variations of the character but doesn't hold a candle to the original the only Mr.Nimoy.
Dude went from protecting Egypt from cursed to mummies to rebuilding the future of Starfleet.
And became a guardian
The original and only Spock. Wonderful
funny...leonard nimoy gave zackery quinto his blessing and approval and was friends with him...this insults him
Honestly I’m not really a Star Trek fan but even I can agree Nimoy gave a masterpiece of a performance I can say this because I used to sit with my grandad when he watched it
They also mentioned Picard... 😳🙁😢
The man,the legend himself, Leonard Nimoy "Spock". His heart and intelligence was always A + material. Live long and Prosper.
I wonder how she felt about the fact that neither he nor anyone in the family even so much as put up a picture of her? xD
Can't acknowledge her or Discovery.
Dilithium is used in energy production, not warp. Dilithium catalyse and stabilise matter-antimatter reactions. No matter your warp technology, you still need dilithium in your power plant.
The real probleme is the only material one can't replicate is latinum, thus its role as money in startrek. Dilithium is replicable.
That and the Omega particle.
Replicators kinda ruin Star Trek, in a way. What they should have done with replicators is that you have to have the raw materials to make something (ie hydrogen and oxygen supplies to replicate water).
I cried right along with her. #noshame
Her reaction seeing Leonard Nimoy is our reaction seeing Leonard Nimoy
So in the future... Their Uniforms turn into Battlestar Galactticas?
Then some knock off version of cylons will be showing up.
See, I thought they stole the design from the Bajoran Militia.
They did it right . Well done
Regardless of how some trek fans feel about discovery can I just say Soniqua Martin green is one hell of a actor,she can only work with what is given to her she’s awesome 👏🏾
But somehow there always has to be a boys name in her name. Why the hell did they name her Michael??
Back here again after the season finale for SNW. Spock is the main character of the prime timeline. It’s only logical.
"He said you were smart"
'The Romulans wanted to stay'
Ever hard to believe that the Romulans, which is the reason why the Federation was formed, and became a Federation's adversary for 2 centuries, have objected the notion for secession of their shared homeworld with the Vulcans from the Federation.
It shows that society can change time to time
Admiral Vance Is a fine addition to the canon
STD is non-canon.
@@balung it is aired, therefore it literally is canon. If you don't like the show, that is fine. That does not change the fact that it is canon.
@@balung WAAAAAAH! IT NOT LIKE TNG!
@@JustinConley it isn't Star Trek, therefore it literally isn't canon. If you do like the show, that is fine. That does not change the fact that it isn't canon.
LOL
I just finished watching Discovery. I can understand why people skewer it. But for me it came when I really needed a distraction from the awfulness of real life. The shows ( what some would probably call blind optimism) to me made me feel hopeful and optimistic. There are some beautiful human moments and I love how the characters support each other and strive to work together. I’m sorry the show is ending
I love the creativity of this show. From the uniforms to awesome acting. The stories are fresh and exciting! Think I will binge it on Christmas.
このディスカバリーの美術って本当に素晴らしいですよね！
単なる「ステンレス製」じゃない、深い美術を感じます！
I hear you...
@@brettwalters-n4u .
I'm glad you agreed!
The early seasons of this show stunk to high heaven. But then again, Next-Gen, DS9 and Voyager all had the same problem. It's beginning to FINALLY find its feet and actually feel (almost) like Star Trek.
DS9 was crap throughout, Next Gen took a season to find it footing, Voyager got worse as it went on pushing its narrative with a shite finale - even cucking the borg from terrifying to "lol look 100 cubes whatever, shoot them down" STD was a literal STD, it was unwanted, offensive, irritating and noone asked for it.
@@AzguardMike DS9 is regarded by many as the best Star Trek show, Voyager never reached its full potential and DIS is NOT abbreviated to STD by anyone except sad little manchildren. It's not unwanted because, after the JJ Abrams movies, a lot of people said "Okay, but can we have a show again please?" It's not offensive, because literally what the fuck bro? It's not irritating because it doesn't contain Wesley Crusher and it's not "noone asked for it" because bro you literally just repeated unwanted lmao.
@@AzguardMike “I’m such a good Star Trek fan that I hate most of it.”
@@Althalus2010 STD is what most fans of real star trek call it. STD and STP are shit. And riddled with appalling continuity.
Voyager was mostly bad with a little bit of good.
After this week's episode of SNW, this hits harder.
Great episode.