Michelle Yeoh and Doug Jones are phenomenal in this scene. So incredible how much expression Doug projects through all the makeup and prosthetics. Kudos to the writers here and crew as well for producing one of the many fine scenes of the season.
Micheal would be so proud of her for giving Mirror Saru a chance. To be better than he is now. And I think Saru would be grateful to know that. Amazed, shocked, even, but grateful.
If only, as brutally ruthless as she was she might just have brought a better future. I'm not suggesting that she would have turned "good" suddenly, just that she saw a better way...
Well a predator species that had in the distant past been a warrior species. That doesn't mean they will be again in the future. They may have to learn how to temper their natural aggressiveness much as the Vulcans had to but remember they also spend most of their formative years as passive and indeed believing they are prey though that belief may not continue into the future. Bring passive when younger could allow their species to evolve to be more aggressive with more physical abilities later in life.
@Pale Embers from the sounds of it it was going to be destroyed. regardless to whatever she had done. Mirror Burnham had a point that they should have destroyed the coalition. But that was only in the short-term I think long-term they both had a point.I remember from deep space nine it was the reforms of Spock which spurred the destruction of the empire. Spock's reforms would not have been possible without mirror emperor Georgia.
It's a pretty amazing scene, all things considered. You have an (ex)Terran Empress expressing sympathy towards a non-human, and an alien expressing sympathy towards someone who he knows should be Terran, but who tells him something that saves his life, and -- potentially -- his entire species. A fantastic scene.
This scene for me was the most heartbreaking in all the series. It wasn't the goodbyes that happened later or certain deaths that took place prior, but to see a character of a somewhat rough exterior who greatly expressed passion in her being show heart and personal attachment that had value to her character. To see the transformation and how that transformation was valued, that is where good writing lies.
I wouldent say a full transformation the fact that she raised her Burnum shows she always had compassion remember in this world you advance by killing their is no heir apparent so there was no reason for her to adopt her daughter being in the mirror world just made her see races other then humans as people
@@seanbraley2772 I'd say that her adopting Burnum was the only outward act of kindness and openheartedness she ever not just displayed, but performed. As for transformations what makes one transformed isn't a complete change, but a greatly noticable change. He even in the end was still a hard ass with a tendency towards violence.
Interestedly, this proves a Terran can be a decent human if being with the right people, really too bad if it wouldn’t affect the main prime timeline I am sure the empress could make the empire more stronger in a positive way. Also this proves pretty much Georgiou was quite fond of Prime Saru despite their differences.
If this is still canon, remember that the Terran Empire fell due to its weakness and became slaves during the DS9 era. Maybe Philippa is making a mistake here. By bringing goodness to the Empire, she will undermine the values that allowed them to conquer other races.
@@objectdefiance4027 Except Rome. Roman conquests was the primary engine for its rule. It was a feedback loop that was broken under Pax Romana, and everything went to hell from there. Terran Empire looks very heavily influenced by Roman Culture.
@@MalcrowAlogoran compared to mirror Spock who started the reforms I somehow think Philippa would have done better. Differences is Philippa saw the other universe and even it’s future and got to be a part of it, so I think she would be more prepared to do what’s necessary to reform the Empire and keep it on its toes. Mirror Spock merely had a vision and perhaps overlooked the potential threat it might have to face in future.
I find it interesting what Saru says here: "If you do not do what is expected of you, they will kill you." It shows that, no matter if it's a dictatorship or a democracy, no one really is in charge, but everybody has to play their role. Change can not come by decree, but must come from values already alive withing the governed. It's a government tolerated by the people and only the collective body of the governed can effect change.
MAN! What an amazing scene. Georgiou has been my favorite from the beginning and the character development makes me so happy. Screw all the naysayers. This is my favorite Trek with my favorite crew.
So time spent in the main universe affected Georgiou more than she cared to admit. It is obvious that typical Terran behavior didn't sit well with her and in a way this Saru was correct. She's not Terran anymore.
I think the empress would've been happier to have the prime universe Burnham as her daughter,still dangerous but not given to emotional mood swings like her mirror .
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 Technically, she had been living in the prime universe long enough for most of her atoms other than some in her skeleton, to be replaced by atoms from the prime universe, after all she had to defecate and eat... There really should not have been a problem with staying in the prime universe except for a bit of bone transplanting which the miraculous transporters and replicators should've been able to handle.
“I have seen what this world could be, and it is luminous!” It’s clear that the Prime universe has affected Georgiou way more than she’s willing to admit.
Despite all my problems with Discovery, the show can still capture the essence of Star Trek from time to time. The most powerful scenes aren't ships, wars or phasers. They are the scenes that truly show deep meaning behind the motivations and ethics of characters. That, in my book, is why I'll keep watching. It has such good potential
I think so many haters fail to realise this... It is by no means a perfect show, it's pretty messy a lot of times and the set ups don't always pay off, but I still think it has mostly great characters and it manages to instil amazing Trek themes into its narratives from time to tims
I think Prime universes Michael rubbed off on her. More probably than she cared to admit. She didn't want to cull mirror saru because she grew to respect prime saru. It was a great evolution for the character.
What we are witnessing here is nothing less than an Oscar caliber performance from Michelle Yeoh, and that on one of the best TV shows ever written. We are so lucky to have Yeoh play Philippa Georgiou on Star Trek Discovery.
Star Trek discovery is not the best show ever written. Its a bunch of sjw feminist and anti-white propaganda stamped onto a badly written show that thinks neo-liberalism is the end of human history.
Whilst I'm not a great fan of discovery, I think it's fair to say the Mirror Universe stuff, and Michelle Yeoh in particular, have a monopoly on the best bits.
Have never watched beyond the pilot but GAWDAMN!!!!! Doug Jones and Michelle Yeoh are masters of their craft in these scene. I have only ever watched these clips but they are remarkable here. Ive seen alot of Doug Jones work but here she meets him at the top
Mirror Spock succeeded where she failed. Though that ultimately led to the fall of the Terran Empire, the aftermath of which depicted in the DS9 series.
She has left herself open to betrayal by Saru if he does not believe her; moreover, he suspects that she is-if not from another universe-been corrupted by contact with its inhabitants.
@@sephelutis One observation I neglected to add: her current situation reminds of Jean-Luc Picard's interaction with (mirror) Worf in the ST: TNG novel _Dark Mirror._
this kind of moments is what makes star trek discovery special maybe not too compared the others series spin offs of star trek legacies but those kind of scenes give the series it's legs to stand on i like Terran AU Saru is shocked by this Info it's completely understandable after .... but he realizing in his opinion this Georgiou couldn't a Real terran heck he would more likely believe she Alien from a Species that look the same as humans inside & out even likely believe she came from another universe than this one by after telling him what she knowns & showing how she cares in her own ways .... even begging her to leave so she can be safe at least keep the Info she knowns safe
I guess the Kelpians didn't have houses. Like maybe they had like Native American style log huts that everyone lived in. Like maybe the idea of locking someone up seemed barbaric to the Kelpiens and similar to their oppressors. (I don't know I'm just spitballing here.)
It was a deliberate lie shown to the kelpiens to make them subservient. They were told that madness would come and they would die after a day. And since everyone who experience vahairai got culled, no one knows what would actually happen after the madness
Dont know but when she starts with "This is my home..." the musical notes are very clearly taken from The Last of the Mohican's main theme called "Promontory".
Yeah, which is why David Hyde Pierce (Niles) openly wondered why the hell they wanted to dub his voice over Doug Jones' as Abe Sapien in the first Hellboy movie, and why they didn't bother in the second...
I suppose you could do worse than have a benevolent dictator for a world leader -- or leader of a galactic empire. The problem then, of course, is no longer the "emperor" but the system -- the bureaucracy, military and police state -- created to support the emperor. Even if the emperor has had a sincere change of heart, and even if that person manages to survive and stay in power, the oppressive, inhumane habits of the governmental machinery that has lasted decades or centuries cannot be changed overnight. And in order to effectuate real change, the emperor is probably going to have to use violent methods against her own ruling machinery -- from the lowest police officer, to mid-level bureaucrat, to starship captain -- to make those changes and make them stick. Just trying to make changes probably will lead to attempted coups d'etat, revolts and assassination attempts. It is the problem of every reformer of an oppressive and/or corrupt system n history, from Alexander the Great, to Julius Caesar, to Peter the Great, to Abraham Lincoln, to Mikhail Gorbachev . . . Those persons who are vested in the present system will attempt to preserve their own positions of power or privilege by their own revolutions, if necessary, and once revolution is in the air, it is a difficult whirlwind of humanity to control.
those scenes with Georgiou and Saru were the only good thing of this contrived dumpsterfire of an episode... the writers may have removed the best character of the show.
Discovery has become total nonsense, feels like I'm watching emerdale, and a very boring epidose at that. So much equality constantly shoved in you face, it's cringe. Can't wait for pike and episodic star trek to return.
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Saru: You are not Terran
Georgiou: *has a small moment to realise she isn't actually Terran anymore*
The goodness of prime humanity spread to her, even if only a little... Enough to make her something more than Terran.
The way his voice cracks when he is saying "they will kill you" Actor nailed it. 100%
I LOVE how their relationship evolved in the Terran.
i love the love that developed , blossomed again withing Georgiou.
She is a great character ! she will be back
You wish that fear among others?
'You saved a Kelpian, and you didn't have to do that. And he'll save others, a lot of them.'
Michelle Yeoh and Doug Jones are phenomenal in this scene. So incredible how much expression Doug projects through all the makeup and prosthetics. Kudos to the writers here and crew as well for producing one of the many fine scenes of the season.
Kelpiens are honestly my favorite new Trek alien.
She saved and taught Saru just like Georgiou in prime version.
Micheal would be so proud of her for giving Mirror Saru a chance. To be better than he is now. And I think Saru would be grateful to know that. Amazed, shocked, even, but grateful.
Agreed
Kelpians are a warrior species,if she gained their loyalty,she would never have to watch her back.
If only, as brutally ruthless as she was she might just have brought a better future. I'm not suggesting that she would have turned "good" suddenly, just that she saw a better way...
Well a predator species that had in the distant past been a warrior species. That doesn't mean they will be again in the future. They may have to learn how to temper their natural aggressiveness much as the Vulcans had to but remember they also spend most of their formative years as passive and indeed believing they are prey though that belief may not continue into the future. Bring passive when younger could allow their species to evolve to be more aggressive with more physical abilities later in life.
@@Creasy5678 she knows from the future the terran empire will be doomed to fall. she got a chance to change it
She seen that they maybe the way to save the empire.
@Pale Embers from the sounds of it it was going to be destroyed. regardless to whatever she had done. Mirror Burnham had a point that they should have destroyed the coalition. But that was only in the short-term I think long-term they both had a point.I remember from deep space nine it was the reforms of Spock which spurred the destruction of the empire. Spock's reforms would not have been possible without mirror emperor Georgia.
It's a pretty amazing scene, all things considered.
You have an (ex)Terran Empress expressing sympathy towards a non-human, and an alien expressing sympathy towards someone who he knows should be Terran, but who tells him something that saves his life, and -- potentially -- his entire species. A fantastic scene.
i think this might be the start toward the end of the terran empire as alluded to in her interogation by the man in the glasses...
This scene for me was the most heartbreaking in all the series. It wasn't the goodbyes that happened later or certain deaths that took place prior, but to see a character of a somewhat rough exterior who greatly expressed passion in her being show heart and personal attachment that had value to her character. To see the transformation and how that transformation was valued, that is where good writing lies.
Agreed
I wouldent say a full transformation the fact that she raised her Burnum shows she always had compassion remember in this world you advance by killing their is no heir apparent so there was no reason for her to adopt her daughter being in the mirror world just made her see races other then humans as people
@@seanbraley2772 I'd say that her adopting Burnum was the only outward act of kindness and openheartedness she ever not just displayed, but performed. As for transformations what makes one transformed isn't a complete change, but a greatly noticable change. He even in the end was still a hard ass with a tendency towards violence.
I love how she respects and admire Saru's leadership. ❤️😭
Interestedly, this proves a Terran can be a decent human if being with the right people, really too bad if it wouldn’t affect the main prime timeline I am sure the empress could make the empire more stronger in a positive way.
Also this proves pretty much Georgiou was quite fond of Prime Saru despite their differences.
If this is still canon, remember that the Terran Empire fell due to its weakness and became slaves during the DS9 era. Maybe Philippa is making a mistake here. By bringing goodness to the Empire, she will undermine the values that allowed them to conquer other races.
@@MalcrowAlogoran They due to constant war. No society can thrive off of constant rebellion and war.
@@objectdefiance4027 Except Rome. Roman conquests was the primary engine for its rule. It was a feedback loop that was broken under Pax Romana, and everything went to hell from there. Terran Empire looks very heavily influenced by Roman Culture.
@@MalcrowAlogoran compared to mirror Spock who started the reforms I somehow think Philippa would have done better. Differences is Philippa saw the other universe and even it’s future and got to be a part of it, so I think she would be more prepared to do what’s necessary to reform the Empire and keep it on its toes. Mirror Spock merely had a vision and perhaps overlooked the potential threat it might have to face in future.
@@objectdefiance4027 it is the constant civil war that kills such empires
I find it interesting what Saru says here: "If you do not do what is expected of you, they will kill you." It shows that, no matter if it's a dictatorship or a democracy, no one really is in charge, but everybody has to play their role. Change can not come by decree, but must come from values already alive withing the governed. It's a government tolerated by the people and only the collective body of the governed can effect change.
Georgiou remains my favourite character. Michelle Yeoh is a phenomenon unto herself.
MAN! What an amazing scene. Georgiou has been my favorite from the beginning and the character development makes me so happy.
Screw all the naysayers. This is my favorite Trek with my favorite crew.
@@ossiebekman7043 I'm not a big fan of the Klingon redesign, but I'm not so sensitive and fragile that a bit of diversity threatens me.
Yep. This is the best scene of season 3. Michelle really showed what she have in the bag.
you said what i was afraid to say LOL thank you
Georgiou realized her faults, and was given a second chance at trying them again...
And she succeeded. It was worth all the glory to her.
And that was the moment that redeemed her. If she didn't save Saru, she would have died - the Guardian would not have helped her.
Georgiou is so Beautiful.
So time spent in the main universe affected Georgiou more than she cared to admit. It is obvious that typical Terran behavior didn't sit well with her and in a way this Saru was correct. She's not Terran anymore.
Granted. I would've been happier if her answer was "I was Terran..."
I think the empress would've been happier to have the prime universe Burnham as her daughter,still dangerous but not given to emotional mood swings like her mirror .
She had more of prime universe Michael in her than she cared to admit.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 Technically, she had been living in the prime universe long enough for most of her atoms other than some in her skeleton, to be replaced by atoms from the prime universe, after all she had to defecate and eat... There really should not have been a problem with staying in the prime universe except for a bit of bone transplanting which the miraculous transporters and replicators should've been able to handle.
@@johnwang9914 very true I never thought of that
“I have seen what this world could be, and it is luminous!”
It’s clear that the Prime universe has affected Georgiou way more than she’s willing to admit.
Despite all my problems with Discovery, the show can still capture the essence of Star Trek from time to time. The most powerful scenes aren't ships, wars or phasers. They are the scenes that truly show deep meaning behind the motivations and ethics of characters.
That, in my book, is why I'll keep watching. It has such good potential
I think so many haters fail to realise this... It is by no means a perfect show, it's pretty messy a lot of times and the set ups don't always pay off, but I still think it has mostly great characters and it manages to instil amazing Trek themes into its narratives from time to tims
I think Prime universes Michael rubbed off on her. More probably than she cared to admit. She didn't want to cull mirror saru because she grew to respect prime saru. It was a great evolution for the character.
This two parter episode was one of the absolute best stories in all of Star Trek in my opinion
Certtainly best in Discovery, Strange New Worlds and Star trek Picard.
What we are witnessing here is nothing less than an Oscar caliber performance from Michelle Yeoh, and that on one of the best TV shows ever written. We are so lucky to have Yeoh play Philippa Georgiou on Star Trek Discovery.
Star Trek discovery is not the best show ever written. Its a bunch of sjw feminist and anti-white propaganda stamped onto a badly written show that thinks neo-liberalism is the end of human history.
They don't give Oscars for TV shows.
@@NahualliUoxtitla But the give it to Michelle Yeoh
No wonder she got an oscar.
Whilst I'm not a great fan of discovery, I think it's fair to say the Mirror Universe stuff, and Michelle Yeoh in particular, have a monopoly on the best bits.
She is a beautiful Woman...........
I love this! Man, I can't wait to see a section 31 show!
Possible the best episode of the series
Have never watched beyond the pilot but GAWDAMN!!!!! Doug Jones and Michelle Yeoh are masters of their craft in these scene. I have only ever watched these clips but they are remarkable here. Ive seen alot of Doug Jones work but here she meets him at the top
Burnham made her what she needed to be someone who shows empathy and compassion when needed but also still ruthless when she has to be
I LOVE GEORGIO!!!!!!!!
Mirror Spock succeeded where she failed. Though that ultimately led to the fall of the Terran Empire, the aftermath of which depicted in the DS9 series.
She has left herself open to betrayal by Saru if he does not believe her; moreover, he suspects that she is-if not from another universe-been corrupted by contact with its inhabitants.
She is merciful but not stupid. She is still the Empress.
@@sephelutis One observation I neglected to add: her current situation reminds of Jean-Luc Picard's interaction with (mirror) Worf in the ST: TNG novel _Dark Mirror._
Great acting by both
"I will do no such thing". Emperor Georgiou on the side of humanity.
this is my favorite moment of season 3.
this kind of moments is what makes star trek discovery special maybe not too compared the others series spin offs
of star trek legacies but those kind of scenes give the series it's legs to stand on
i like Terran AU Saru is shocked by this Info it's completely understandable after .... but he realizing in his opinion
this Georgiou couldn't a Real terran heck he would more likely believe she Alien from a Species that look the same
as humans inside & out even likely believe she came from another universe than this one by after telling him what
she knowns & showing how she cares in her own ways .... even begging her to leave so she can be safe at least
keep the Info she knowns safe
I'm confused, why is the food brushing her hair and talking to her?
"You'll find somebody else, Pink Man."
"What - with a fucking face like this?"
"Hmm - I see your point...."
This is one of my favorite scenes
I think its her and mirror spock that weakened the terran empire to where the klingons and cardassian took over and enslaved them
This isn’t happening in real time, it’s just created by the Guardian of Time
Just hide in your room for a day you'll be okay. Man, how didn't the Kelpians figure that one out on their own? Such crazy ancient knowledge. wow
lazy writing. Discovery is really a platform to sell their leftist SJW bullshit, they don't really care about storyline and good sci-fi ...
I guess the Kelpians didn't have houses. Like maybe they had like Native American style log huts that everyone lived in. Like maybe the idea of locking someone up seemed barbaric to the Kelpiens and similar to their oppressors. (I don't know I'm just spitballing here.)
Just watch the show. They explain it
It was a deliberate lie shown to the kelpiens to make them subservient. They were told that madness would come and they would die after a day. And since everyone who experience vahairai got culled, no one knows what would actually happen after the madness
So powerful….
Could anyone place that song that's playing and dream the end credits for me? 3:44
and reddit continuously shits on discovery, if only they knew
Georgiu was the best character in STD. Shame shes gone.
Michelle yeoh ..hmm yummy
Beautiful score... anyone knows the title?
I would also like to know.
Dont know but when she starts with "This is my home..." the musical notes are very clearly taken from The Last of the Mohican's main theme called "Promontory".
Argentina 5:0 Jamaica
We need a spin off of this, what changes will the emperor do.
wow discovery is finally getting really decent
I knew it would. Star Trek has this curse where the show sucks for the first couple of seasons. Literally every show has a Riker’s beard.
If this is decent then ENT was visionary.
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why are you even here
@@ashlynnp.9609 I’m criticizing the scene. Why?
@@faded9581
Without context? Like all you guys do is bitch and moan about the same things. Its so cringey.
Has anyone noticed how much the Saru actor sounds like the guy who played Niles on the tv show Frasier
Yeah, which is why David Hyde Pierce (Niles) openly wondered why the hell they wanted to dub his voice over Doug Jones' as Abe Sapien in the first Hellboy movie, and why they didn't bother in the second...
Isn't this Kelpian's name Saru?
He doesn't question another one with the same name?
"Everything is unfolding as I hoped".
It seems that galactic emperors love this kind of phrase.
I suppose you could do worse than have a benevolent dictator for a world leader -- or leader of a galactic empire. The problem then, of course, is no longer the "emperor" but the system -- the bureaucracy, military and police state -- created to support the emperor. Even if the emperor has had a sincere change of heart, and even if that person manages to survive and stay in power, the oppressive, inhumane habits of the governmental machinery that has lasted decades or centuries cannot be changed overnight. And in order to effectuate real change, the emperor is probably going to have to use violent methods against her own ruling machinery -- from the lowest police officer, to mid-level bureaucrat, to starship captain -- to make those changes and make them stick. Just trying to make changes probably will lead to attempted coups d'etat, revolts and assassination attempts. It is the problem of every reformer of an oppressive and/or corrupt system n history, from Alexander the Great, to Julius Caesar, to Peter the Great, to Abraham Lincoln, to Mikhail Gorbachev . . . Those persons who are vested in the present system will attempt to preserve their own positions of power or privilege by their own revolutions, if necessary, and once revolution is in the air, it is a difficult whirlwind of humanity to control.
Great acting in this scene!
I like how she is now, but will she take down her daughter??
Evidently, yes!
the pakleds of borg
Terra Firma
is half of star trek about hair care now or death?
those scenes with Georgiou and Saru were the only good thing of this contrived dumpsterfire of an episode... the writers may have removed the best character of the show.
The music is a bit much, honestly. It overpowers the scene
I jolly well dislike Discovery being called Star Trek but Georgiou is one of my faves
This show is fucking horrible.
Star Trek Discovery was such a disappointment.
I somewhat agree, but it had some good moments, although I stopped watching quite some time ago.
Discovery has become total nonsense, feels like I'm watching emerdale, and a very boring epidose at that. So much equality constantly shoved in you face, it's cringe. Can't wait for pike and episodic star trek to return.
Knowledge is a terrible thing to waste.
There's a show in this universe with the awful burnham character dead.