In 2020 I bought my new 992 C2S here in Orlando and had a GIAC tune placed on it at that time. It required having the actual ECU removed and shipped to California. I LOVE the tune, as it is somewhat comparable to the M-Tune in power. But I would advise everyone to get an M-Tune over the GIAC tune simple due to the ability to remove and put in the Tune directly through the OBD-II port. Also during scheduled servicing at a Porsche dealership I cannot remove it and must ABSOLUTELY make sure the tech does not code over it every time. That's a real pain in the Butt! The GIAC tune unfortunately does not have the little things, like cutting off the start-stop button. I have even been told by other 992 owners that have been over to the Real ST. dyno and found the M-Tune making not only more power but a smoother transition overall. Unfortunately in 2020 M-Tune had not broken in to the OBD-II and so I went with the GIAC Tune. But now with the little things like stopping the cold start on the 992 in the morning and the ability to REV the car past 4,000 rpm's in neutral is not available in my GIAC Tune. And you have NO idea how BAD I want to rev it up to 7,000 in neutral. As I have an Akrapovic exhaust system with high flow Fabspeed 200 cell catalytic converters to really low ball the sound. Also, the ability to remove and place the tune in and out of the cars ECU through my OBD-II has me wanting me to switch over to the M-Tune. Thought I'd just share my little bit of experience about a tuned 992 C2S with those that maybe on the fence on getting a Tune and which tune to get..... Get the M-Tune !!!
Thanks for sharing. These are all reasons why we find the M-Engineering solution to be the best in class. It really empowers the customer with a full suite. We've also tested several 992 tunes on the same dyno and the M-Engineering not only made the best power but also scored out best on the subjective driving feel. The only area we found that might benefit from some tweaking is for track use, a little less aggressive of a boost ramp curve would provide a little more linearity to the power delivery, providing some greater feel/control on more technical tracks or sections. On the street, it's perfect as it provides that extra level of engagement every time you drive the car.
No I didn't. I got a full warranty from Champion Motorsports in Pompano Beach Florida along with my GIAC tune. Remind you, I had the Tune put in October 2020 before M-Engineering had broken the OBD-II for their tune and the only way to flash the ECU was to actually remove it and send it to GIAC in California. Hope this Helps!
No I didn't. I got a full warranty from Champion Motorsports in Pompano Beach Florida along with my GIAC tune. Remind you, I had the Tune put in October 2020 before M-Engineering had broken the OBD-II for their tune and the only way to flash the ECU was to actually remove it and send it to GIAC in California. Hope this Helps!
Just installed this tune on my 992 Carrera4. First time ever I was tuning one of my cars so I was a bit apprehensive. Just to let you know it all went very well, the only glitch was the dongle connection with the computer/software took 4-5 tries to get a good connection for some reason. But aside from that it worked flawlessly, everything worked as it should, no faults error in the dashboard nothing. Didn't have to troubleshoot anything after the install. Additional power and torque is OBVIOUS, feels like a different league of cars. Only ran about 30 miles with the tune on, but so far I've very satisfied with this product. Thanks Flat 6 motorsports
I used this product on my 992 base. Been a week and it’s been an OUTSTANDING addition. I highly recommend. Word of advise though, when you do the ECU read to send to M Engineering, make sure you specify in that original email the different features you would like, for example, explicitly state that you want the pops and gurgles to stay or be removed, the on off, the sport exhaust ON OFF, etc. otherwise the tune file they send back will only be the ecu tune and you’ll have to email them again to get the correct tune file
How’s it been @pierreblanchard1024 & @matthewzamat3331 ? Have you guys still been enjoying the tune and have you had any issues or additional maintenance ? Also are the brakes on the base car good to handle the additional power ?
I own a Base car and I love it. However, getting the limited slip and bigger brakes are both good reasons to upgrade to the S. I had issues getting an S allocation, so that is why I got the Base Carrera
So I got a tune for my Base Carerra and I replaced the car 4 months later with a Carerra S (2020 > 2022) I just emailed them two days ago, I am hoping they let me trade licenses..
That’s what I’m concerned about as well if a GTS come available then I will trade in my 2021 but it does say 1 license per car so can someone confirm if that’s true I don’t really want to waste the best part of 3k if I manage to get a Gts in 2023
@@englishdave8635 So they actually ended up taking care of me. Out of respect for them, I won't say what they did but it was definietly fair. Just contact them, they are nice people.
No, if you do this the warranty is over. Even if you return it to stock the instant it is connected to the diagnostic computer it will know the ECU was reprogrammed and that throws up a red flag. If you do this you must accept that if anything goes wrong the repair cost is on you.
Jon - Any chance you get get a 992 S / 4S into a stage 4 scenario (like the new Turbo S video that rocks!) and post a video soon? As a 4S owner would like to see what the gains are with everything, including the pure 800 turbos. Thanks!
Absolutely! We are working on that now, we expect 750HP at the crank with the same set-up but we'll have more info soon. Currently testing our stage 3 set-up before we go to the Pure turbos.
Do you have tunes like this for the 991.2? I've got one now in my 991.2 C2S that I like, but wondering if yours might get just a little more power out of it? Stock hardware otherwise. Love the channel!
Yes! We have a wealth of experience with the 991.2 Carrera platform. We have several kits we've developed and validated over the years. Check them out here: flat6motorsports.com/pages/991-2-carrera-power-kits-by-flat-6-motorsports
Yes, very safe. We've been running 700HP+ since the 991.2 on these motors. The blocks are shared with the 992 Turbo (less of a bore to get the 3.0L displacement). Extremely durable without any reliability issues. In fact, Porsche uses tuning as a strategy through the various Carrera models.
Check out our channel for various videos on our Stage 1-4 or here is more info: flat6motorsports.com/pages/992-carrera-power-kits-by-flat-6-motorsports
It might have just been the dyno sampling, here is one we did recently on our hub dyno: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1429/9246/files/Mike-992CarreraT_S2_fbf04a54-8911-4d73-a32b-6c0f0e3fffb2_1024x1024.png?v=1700580214
Hey Jon! Appreciate the video. Any chance that you could make a video demonstrating the difference the M tuner makes when using the 100% open valve mod?
Sure thing, we'll do that and upload as a Short next time we get an opportunity to showcase that. Outside of the power, that is my favorite feature, such a gamechanger on quality of ownership!
@@Flat6Motorsports sweet! Thanks a lot! Really wanna make my mind up before ordering an M-tuner and deciding what to do for exhaust upgrades, so it helps to see how the M-Tuner mod helps improve stock PSE sound. I’m more into turbo spool noise
So this definitely voids the warranty but even the basic M eng tune, is it strenuous on the engine ? Bad if u plan to keep the car for a long time or almost daily drive it ?
It just depends what you are looking for out of your 911. If you are happy with the power, there is no need. We have been running 750+ HP on the 9A2 and 9A2 EVO motors for over 5 years with tons of clients. They are very capable and reliable. Porsche uses the same block and architecture on the 992 Turbo/Turbo S.
I am not a fan of those sounds when lift off the accelerator pedal.... I am grown up with silky smooth NA BMW engines and want to enjoy the engine breaking without those cracks💥 More suitable if you got a V12 Lamborghini to spit 💥fire🔥☄️with to impress young men....if you are into that. If you make sure that the engine is warm then you can rev. it out.... The 3.5' rpm is a protection for your cold engine and your Neighbours ears... I appreciate that there is a real on/off feature for the sport exhaust and the start/stop function. One upside with the carrera turbo engines compared to NA engines before is the Tune-ability. Very good knowledge and content keep up the good work👍🏻
Tuning for peak gains just makes for an awful curve. I would take a flat torque curve and ability to rev it out to 7000 over gaining an extra 50HP/50TQ any day.
@@Flat6Motorsports it doesn’t matter what the turbo size is. Just don’t tune for peak gains. You would be making 50HP less but you would have a nice curve from 3000-7000
Perfect timing as news of the 992 Carrera T is released today 👏
How much this thing cost for 2023 porsche turbo S
flat6motorsports.com/collections/992-ecu-tuning/products/m-engineering-m-tuner-suite-ecu-tuning-992-turbo
In 2020 I bought my new 992 C2S here in Orlando and had a GIAC tune placed on it at that time. It required having the actual ECU removed and shipped to California. I LOVE the tune, as it is somewhat comparable to the M-Tune in power. But I would advise everyone to get an M-Tune over the GIAC tune simple due to the ability to remove and put in the Tune directly through the OBD-II port. Also during scheduled servicing at a Porsche dealership I cannot remove it and must ABSOLUTELY make sure the tech does not code over it every time. That's a real pain in the Butt! The GIAC tune unfortunately does not have the little things, like cutting off the start-stop button. I have even been told by other 992 owners that have been over to the Real ST. dyno and found the M-Tune making not only more power but a smoother transition overall. Unfortunately in 2020 M-Tune had not broken in to the OBD-II and so I went with the GIAC Tune. But now with the little things like stopping the cold start on the 992 in the morning and the ability to REV the car past 4,000 rpm's in neutral is not available in my GIAC Tune. And you have NO idea how BAD I want to rev it up to 7,000 in neutral. As I have an Akrapovic exhaust system with high flow Fabspeed 200 cell catalytic converters to really low ball the sound. Also, the ability to remove and place the tune in and out of the cars ECU through my OBD-II has me wanting me to switch over to the M-Tune. Thought I'd just share my little bit of experience about a tuned 992 C2S with those that maybe on the fence on getting a Tune and which tune to get..... Get the M-Tune !!!
Thanks for sharing. These are all reasons why we find the M-Engineering solution to be the best in class. It really empowers the customer with a full suite. We've also tested several 992 tunes on the same dyno and the M-Engineering not only made the best power but also scored out best on the subjective driving feel. The only area we found that might benefit from some tweaking is for track use, a little less aggressive of a boost ramp curve would provide a little more linearity to the power delivery, providing some greater feel/control on more technical tracks or sections. On the street, it's perfect as it provides that extra level of engagement every time you drive the car.
Did you lose your manufacturer warrenty with the tune ? I assume you would ?
No I didn't. I got a full warranty from Champion Motorsports in Pompano Beach Florida along with my GIAC tune. Remind you, I had the Tune put in October 2020 before M-Engineering had broken the OBD-II for their tune and the only way to flash the ECU was to actually remove it and send it to GIAC in California. Hope this Helps!
No I didn't. I got a full warranty from Champion Motorsports in Pompano Beach Florida along with my GIAC tune. Remind you, I had the Tune put in October 2020 before M-Engineering had broken the OBD-II for their tune and the only way to flash the ECU was to actually remove it and send it to GIAC in California. Hope this Helps!
No. I have a full warranty from GIAC. If it didn't come with it I won't have tuned it.
Just installed this tune on my 992 Carrera4. First time ever I was tuning one of my cars so I was a bit apprehensive. Just to let you know it all went very well, the only glitch was the dongle connection with the computer/software took 4-5 tries to get a good connection for some reason. But aside from that it worked flawlessly, everything worked as it should, no faults error in the dashboard nothing. Didn't have to troubleshoot anything after the install. Additional power and torque is OBVIOUS, feels like a different league of cars. Only ran about 30 miles with the tune on, but so far I've very satisfied with this product. Thanks Flat 6 motorsports
I am keen in this tuning too for my base 992. Any feedback after 10months of tuning? so far so good? Any issue with dealership service?
Would definitely love to hear some updates. I just ordered mine and when it arrives, I’ll start my process.
I used this product on my 992 base. Been a week and it’s been an OUTSTANDING addition. I highly recommend.
Word of advise though, when you do the ECU read to send to M Engineering, make sure you specify in that original email the different features you would like, for example, explicitly state that you want the pops and gurgles to stay or be removed, the on off, the sport exhaust ON OFF, etc. otherwise the tune file they send back will only be the ecu tune and you’ll have to email them again to get the correct tune file
How’s it been @pierreblanchard1024 & @matthewzamat3331 ? Have you guys still been enjoying the tune and have you had any issues or additional maintenance ? Also are the brakes on the base car good to handle the additional power ?
Sorry but that is a horrible dyno graph, that spike of torque that then disappears is not great tuning.
Not exactly a smooth post tune torque curve..
Best channel for Porsche enthusiasts
Most owners just need the ‘rev past 4K RPM in neutral’ feature.
This is dope, no reason to get the S. Better to get this tune and spend the extra on the wanted options
I own a Base car and I love it. However, getting the limited slip and bigger brakes are both good reasons to upgrade to the S. I had issues getting an S allocation, so that is why I got the Base Carrera
is your base tuned? @@zTheBigFishz
@@denychangy7386 Yes it is. APR. The difference is significant.
So I got a tune for my Base Carerra and I replaced the car 4 months later with a Carerra S (2020 > 2022) I just emailed them two days ago, I am hoping they let me trade licenses..
That’s what I’m concerned about as well if a GTS come available then I will trade in my 2021 but it does say 1 license per car so can someone confirm if that’s true I don’t really want to waste the best part of 3k if I manage to get a Gts in 2023
@@englishdave8635 So they actually ended up taking care of me. Out of respect for them, I won't say what they did but it was definietly fair. Just contact them, they are nice people.
So the plan would be to remove the tuning software, returning to stock configuration before taking the car to the dealer for warranty work?
No, if you do this the warranty is over. Even if you return it to stock the instant it is connected to the diagnostic computer it will know the ECU was reprogrammed and that throws up a red flag. If you do this you must accept that if anything goes wrong the repair cost is on you.
100% correct. Not worth it
Wait until out of factory warranty.
@@jmorrison146 I recently took my car for an oil change removed the M software, and had no trouble. I drive a 992 base.
@@jmorrison146 took me five minutes to remove the tune.
Can you guys please post a stage 3 and 4 video, step by step? Interested in seeing the CSF intercooler installed and pure 800 turbos. Thanks!!! :)
Yes, we'll be doing a slew of mods and testing on the 992, stay tuned!
@@Flat6Motorsports Really interested to see your video on this!
Jon - Any chance you get get a 992 S / 4S into a stage 4 scenario (like the new Turbo S video that rocks!) and post a video soon? As a 4S owner would like to see what the gains are with everything, including the pure 800 turbos. Thanks!
Absolutely! We are working on that now, we expect 750HP at the crank with the same set-up but we'll have more info soon. Currently testing our stage 3 set-up before we go to the Pure turbos.
How does this work? Once tuned will I be able to turn off and turn on the tune without refleshing back to stock. I just got my 992.1
You need to use a laptop but you can switch files. Map changes take about 1 min, to fully install/uninstall, it takes about 6 mins.
Great Job Jon. Now I’m re thinking getting a 992 or throw a stage one on my 18 4S.
Just bought this f(M-Tune) rom you guys...do you recommend raising that rev limiter? Is doing that necessary to get the performance numbers ?
No need to raise the rev limiter, peak power comes lower.
Do you have tunes like this for the 991.2? I've got one now in my 991.2 C2S that I like, but wondering if yours might get just a little more power out of it? Stock hardware otherwise. Love the channel!
Yes! We have a wealth of experience with the 991.2 Carrera platform. We have several kits we've developed and validated over the years. Check them out here: flat6motorsports.com/pages/991-2-carrera-power-kits-by-flat-6-motorsports
Is it safe to tune a 992 yet? risk vs reward perspective. Is there enough data about side affects or unforeseen issues?
Yes, very safe. We've been running 700HP+ since the 991.2 on these motors. The blocks are shared with the 992 Turbo (less of a bore to get the 3.0L displacement). Extremely durable without any reliability issues. In fact, Porsche uses tuning as a strategy through the various Carrera models.
Guys those are really great numbers - what is the next level up ? Give me more
Check out our channel for various videos on our Stage 1-4 or here is more info: flat6motorsports.com/pages/992-carrera-power-kits-by-flat-6-motorsports
What is the waveform-like curves on the dyno graph at the upper RPM levels? Boost fluctuations from the diverter valves?
It might have just been the dyno sampling, here is one we did recently on our hub dyno: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1429/9246/files/Mike-992CarreraT_S2_fbf04a54-8911-4d73-a32b-6c0f0e3fffb2_1024x1024.png?v=1700580214
@@Flat6Motorsports Looks good! Thanks!
Hello,
Is this tune legal for the car owner who lives in California?
What’s happening in California that makes adjusting your car illegal?
Sounds cool... 👍😎
Hey Jon! Appreciate the video.
Any chance that you could make a video demonstrating the difference the M tuner makes when using the 100% open valve mod?
Sure thing, we'll do that and upload as a Short next time we get an opportunity to showcase that. Outside of the power, that is my favorite feature, such a gamechanger on quality of ownership!
@@Flat6Motorsports sweet! Thanks a lot! Really wanna make my mind up before ordering an M-tuner and deciding what to do for exhaust upgrades, so it helps to see how the M-Tuner mod helps improve stock PSE sound. I’m more into turbo spool noise
So this definitely voids the warranty but even the basic M eng tune, is it strenuous on the engine ? Bad if u plan to keep the car for a long time or almost daily drive it ?
It just depends what you are looking for out of your 911. If you are happy with the power, there is no need. We have been running 750+ HP on the 9A2 and 9A2 EVO motors for over 5 years with tons of clients. They are very capable and reliable. Porsche uses the same block and architecture on the 992 Turbo/Turbo S.
@@Flat6Motorsports I am basically trying to get get extra 30 to 40 bhp from the base 992. Nothing crazy! Appreciate the reply
@@MD2525-1 tuning would be the easiest path but you can get about 15HP out of an exhaust.
Does this void the warranty ?
Immediately.
Where do you buy this?
Here you go: flat6motorsports.com/products/m-engineering-992-carrera-ecu-tuning
Is carrera s and gts same on gains?
@@davidtuscan7189 Check the link, dynos show gains, same potential
I am not a fan of those sounds when lift off the accelerator pedal....
I am grown up with silky smooth NA BMW engines
and want to enjoy the engine breaking without those cracks💥
More suitable if you got a V12 Lamborghini to spit 💥fire🔥☄️with to impress young men....if you are into that.
If you make sure that the engine is warm then you can rev. it out....
The 3.5' rpm is a protection for your cold engine and your Neighbours ears...
I appreciate that there is a real on/off feature for the sport exhaust and the start/stop function.
One upside with the carrera turbo engines compared to NA engines before is the Tune-ability.
Very good knowledge and content keep up the good work👍🏻
Tuning for peak gains just makes for an awful curve. I would take a flat torque curve and ability to rev it out to 7000 over gaining an extra 50HP/50TQ any day.
On these, that requires a larger turbo, the Pure 800 delivers an exceptional linear curve. The base turbos are small.
@@Flat6Motorsports it doesn’t matter what the turbo size is. Just don’t tune for peak gains. You would be making 50HP less but you would have a nice curve from 3000-7000