Meshuggah in 2008: Just trying to make a brutal metal song *accidentally creates benchmark composition for in depth rhythmic analysis for decades to come*
honestly they knew what they were doing, they've been doing that shit 10 years before bleed came out... Bleed is actually one of their more "straight forward" tracks
@@Fitz1993 that being said, it would be a dishonest to say they "just" wanted to make a brutal metal song like Cannibal Corpse is making brutal metal songs - I'm pretty sure the members of Meshuggah do enjoy the nerdiness of making up weird rhythms and it doesn't just happen by accident
Just the fact that they managed to turn a relatively simple beat into one of the most notoriously difficult rhythmic songs to play by sneaking in just 1 extra beat is mind-blowing
yep. as a drummer, Hertas are universally recognized as one of the hardest rudiments to play, and the fact he can do it with his feet is beyond impressive
It's like how Bill Burr said one time: 3 different people can be headbanging to 3 different tempos, and all be on time with each other. One guy windmills to the faster bits, one guy goes for the more 4/4 nod, and another goes for a semi delayed nod to sync up with the 4/4. An orchestra of whiplash
That 7 7 5 3 5 thing blew my mind. Heard the song so many times that tapping along with the changing beats felt so natural; but with this analysis and knowing how it's properly counted out, I think it broke my muscle memory haha!
Yeah, when learning this song the pattern was obvious when looking at tabs but it's probably the hardest part of the song due to the speed of it, it requires soooo much concentration
It's incredible that one human can play two different rhythms simultaneously and keep them straight in their head. I can see why it took him as long to master this one song as it did the rest of the tracks on the album.
Wait till this dude finds out about Danny Carey, playing not just 4 different sigs, but 3 of them being preposterously obscure, and mixing in percussionist melodies at the same time.
The only warcrime Texas Instruments ever calculated- they normally make calcs tho so not really a concern long as the sky isn’t saying these things while raining galactic opera and ass beetles who dig latrines of eggs and carve a fecal circulatory system inside future pool of necrosis hatchery chitlins as you think it can’t end slower- might drift off for ten seconds but suddenly the fast forward of time to catch perception up-you’re festering hotdog water- feeling a year in moments and then the worst moment for years. My ass fascists need easy to slurp morsels, growing cog is an obligation, or end up breathless and on fire as a torch that may outlive this cycle unless we commodify suffering and use money mechanics to maximize total and degree overall of suffering. now as soon as babies poop in what’s left of you , anti-narcotic to kick in as you behold a indescribable moment when only darkness is left. Knowing futile still god sold us only to suffer the same fate or worse- cementing psychic damage is the coldest, archetypal markers, monument , a tableau of god marrying off eve, heart… of a billion matrices of Faustianbargains build like weeds contorting and multiplying and planning the new currency- and step back, those older still where you are- the psychic damage of hopeless is beyond your comprehension, to move from your minds dementia, everests and genicides of billions of puddles all stuck all will beg, first god until he is begging his children to save him. until too many connections not enough ( 10:33 quantum electrolytes, like red cells with oxygen neutrinos can be hijacker’s like a virus causing currency mechanics to solidify as natural law inverts. for first gen hybrids real quality, but things weren’t pretty before free will- the indigo children chemical castrated for the spectale of sterilizing Peace- some felt them- and always knew would win..to carry out any number of experiments and function of intergalactic commerce and a homey family setting of proprietary soloutions to break whole families as the interval and contrast between good bad disappear… it’s means test subjugation- ultimately to create a system of majority malignant hopelessness- and using new doors made by decay lube torture stormproselytizing all slowing down their own victory’ssynthesizes with the neutrino torture grouping (illegal unless you are a horny infra-dimensional tumor that can hive/ alter quantum norms to basically to dethrone anything remotely capable of defending itself- suddenly the big slurp happens and everything is inside out wearing a leash if your own nervous system only barely realizing what’s happened before you realize it’s all happening much too slow believing your own perception time dialates right as you are shown your fate- you are going to be thread, and then a really cool ascot of human fealty for the butt beetle demiurge.whose minute of life will be a thousand years of slow motion laws will is aerosolized as a terraforming/ vassalizing agent- free-bleeding with no clotting agent all population centers are herded to form a mycelium puddle of reappropriated viscera from chromosome stripped slow rot- allowing chromosome damage to progress slowly like radiation in order to finish what jehovah started before god created amaranthine chaisthink how one day space America will find space trump and he will unleash ass rot!
@@YogevGabay Haha, well then I'm glad! ;) Nice work man. Really impressive and huge love for details. Actually helps a lot understanding and playing the song. Big thanks! Hope you have a good year.
To anyone who's as confused with this as I was: Meshuggah use 8-string guitars. Benefits of more strings are: More total range, more notes available at each hand position (economy of motion) and - if I understood this correctly - better tonal distinction because more notes are now "in the middle" of the string rather than towards the ends.
I hope meshuggah sees this one day and takes it as a challenge to write something even more elaborate that cant be broken down in a video like this lol
to be honest for me this is the easiest meshuggah song to understand theoretically by quite a large margin, it really is just 4/4 and once you slow it down the patterns are very easy to grasp. playing it on the other hand...
I just said that to make you understand it still polyrythms, 77535 is not a standard 4/4 song, but it still bleed and fucking Hard to get a grip of haha
I seriously had never taken the time to figure out what the hell was going on in the last part you cover in this video, and it's actually even more clever than I was imagining. Plus, if you just shift the writing, you get 7-5-3-5-7... That's kind of a slow, very regular wave, and it's not just hidden in the structure of the song, it's its backbone. God I cannot talk about this band without gushing. Great video
@@YogevGabay my guess is it's a shifted pattern of patterns? Just like in Combustion (nice video there) where the guitar starts out a tad late, maybe this one starts a tad early?
@@YogevGabay It could technically still be considered as a 7-5-3-5-7 repeating pattern, because that's how that section ends and the first time it's played it's truncated, starting with the last 7. This way the rationale behind it looks more logical; slow-normal-fast-normal-slow, I like to think that's how they came up with it.
Non-drummer here, been obsessed with understanding what’s going on in this song, have watched many video breakdowns, this is the first one that’s actually nailed the breakdown. Will be watching PT II soon!
I was a HUGE meshuggah fan since the desteoy erase improve album. Id listen to ALL their albums literally thousands of times. As a guitarist, one day my drummer mate asked "Do you hear the ghost notes Thomas is tappin on the snare" I squinted closely pressed my ear to the speaker.... OH MY FUCKING GOD THERE IS ANOTHER LAYER TO THIS SHIT IVE BEEN COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS TO THIS ENTIRE TIME. i had to relisten to every record over to atone for my sins in complete shame that i wasnt fully appreciating the depth of this non human god tier super band
I love your style of videos - it is really tricky to explain something so complicated in the "simple way" that you do it. Kudos to you. Keep'em coming.
Can you please please please do The Art of Dying by Gojira!? Those first 3 minutes are so hard to figure out by ear and your way of explaining is perfect for figuring that intro part out!
Follow exaclty what gustavo said, that's the whole structure. That's just a mix of group of 3 kicks / snare and 2 kicks / snare k k k S - k k k S - k k k S - k k S k k S k k S k k k S - k k k S - k k k S - k k S k k S Just reapeat that 4 time and then it ends with k k k S S k k k S S k k k S S k k k S S and loops back
My comment dissapeared, my bad, anyway the above works for kick/snare timing. Bar structure is 5 bars of 8 (40 counts) 1 bar of 5 (5 counts), 1 bar of 6 (6 counts) and then loops, totalling 51 counts, Count denoted on ride/crash cymbals at 138bpm during the intro section. Hope it helps!
Man ....one teacher to another, I admire your level of organized, methodical analysis/instruction. I am by no means a metalhead, but this makes me want to pull out the double kick and start working on it.
I've been saying for years that this song is entirely in 4/4 and everyone has said I'm an idiot with no understanding of music. This song is fast and very in your face, so it's hard to count, but it's one of their simplest songs. The gallops are not difficult on guitar (or bass), just exhausting. The drumming is clean and consistent, but also exhausting. The hardest part of this song is remembering where you are.
It’s very funny to me to see non-drummer musicians over-analyze the hell out of time signatures for songs, especially metal. Like, find the backbeat and you’ll find the time signature. More often than not a song is in 4/4 but isn’t felt in a straightforward manner. For example, even Tool’s ‘Schism’ is 5/8 + 7/8 until they get to the bridge. It’s really very easy to feel in 12/8 or even 4/4. But everyone tries to find time through the bass line, which is an ostinato that goes over the bar line by design. It’s like trying to find the point of origin on a mobius strip - it doesn’t exist, and it was designed that way. Danny’s drum part, however, gives a backbeat that no one but other drummers seem to be able to latch on to. Moral of the story - don’t think it first, feel it. Then think about what you feel.
@@tim.noonanan... I love this reply. It's exactly what I've been telling my peers about their own musical creations. Stop over thinking what you're playing. Feel it, keep feeling it, then think about what you feel and analyze what it is in musical theory that makes you feel it this way. It almost always comes down to simplistic or familiar structures as the backbone or foundation of the composition. All the other elements are just built off of or around the initial structure. Thank you. You put what was always in my head into relatable words :)
@@kymcconnellyeah I remember I heard tooth and claw by animals as leaders and it sounds like it is in a wacky time signature but it is actually in 4/4.
I’ve been trying to breakdown the techniques of my favorite bands lately to learn how I can use similar things in my music, so I’m very glad I found this channel.
If you want to have extra fun at a Meshuggah show, watch all the confused people who are stuck on the complex subdivisions and don't know how to headbang to it. Every time I'd go to one of their shows, I'd point out to people that you can usually rely on the backbeat of the snare or the steady cymbal hits to figure out the actual time signature. BTW, shout out to their A/V tech doing their live lighting. In case anyone isn't aware, that dude is a seriously unsung hero. He is just as skilled as the members of the band because he plays their polyrhythms on the control pads in sync with their live performance to do their lighting. He knows their songs in and out just as they do and deserves so much more credit than he ever gets.
everytime I try to listen to your dissections I have to just go listen to Obzen. it's one of my favorites and changed my life dramatically back in 2010
Amazing video. It's been round about 15 years since I last touched an instrument, so I forgot all my music theory and notes, but this video was clear and concise even for someone with limited knowledge and gave me a solid grasp of this masterpiece. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video!
i have been trying to learn this song on my drum pad since it literally came out. The Hertas were self explanatory but you blew me away with the 77535 explanation
Funny story: I started to listen to meshuggah in 8th grade, must have been around 2014ish or so. After a while I started tapping out random meshuggah beats if I got bored at school. I still do this today, it's become a habit. These rythms will live with me forever. This is certainly one of them.
Dont forget Yogi mate a lot of your viewers are legit super nerds analysing zappa charts for 20+ years. This kinda stuff is like 1st year uni analysis Cant wait for the yogi masters degree tier vids Keep up the great work we love ya
i really need to say thank you so much for this. the explanation of the 4 note drum pattern helped me so much in learning this song on guitar. this video is great, you’re a genius.
I really appreciate this type of video. I am your average self taught metal musician with no real formal musical education or training. Seeing this broke down like this, was really cool.
@@YogevGabay I haven't checked your channel yet, and I wanted to, glad you replied and reminded me. I feel like I can actually learn some things that will only help me musically. Again, thanks for the uploads!
@@YogevGabay , I was thinking if you've already done an analysis (or cover) of Mouse on the Keys' Leviathan and Afterglow? They're not too difficult in meters (I may be wrong) but the drummer is so creative.
Thanks for breaking down the last section. i never actually tried to learn the song properly, just by noodling around i figured out some of he first patterns, but the final section sounded very random and discouraged me to learn it.
This is so brilliant... thanks for the ultra clear insight into this song. Seriously. Amazing, I'm barely a musician and I now understand this track a million times better!
This video is amazing Thank you for making it The last part of this video is my favourite part of the song And I've always wondered if its random and now i know
Honestly, just hearing the programmed kicks felt strangely satistfying. For a few seconds there it felt like the chaos that's constantly in my head settled down so we could pay attention. Thank you. :D
The drummer actually plays a more complex snare pattern you just can't hear it but you can see him playing ghost notes in his live performance drum cam videos.
Thank god, I definitely needed someone to explain the 77535 thing. I had I hard time figuring out Veil of Maya's "we bow in its aura," too. I think its 357 over and over again. So simple but they make it sound complicated with the downbeat on a different note every time
I actually think of it as a palindrome 75357, that they start on the last 7 to create 77535. Meshuggah have a habit of starting riffs in the middle making it seem as if the pattern has a certain order, but really it's a different order all together.
Good to see a Gojira fan here! Also, Gojira did do a song called Of Blood And Salt with Fredrick Thorndendal of Meshuggah and Devin Townsend. The EP it was on was corrupted but this song survived, other songs on the EP featured Randy Blythe and Max Cavalera. They say they might re record the songs that were lost and release the EP one day, which I hope they do.
The thing is, the musicians playing this stuff, don’t think in these terms, they just “feel” what they do. It’s fascinating to see a musical expert like Yogev Gabay, break it down and show us all the wonder of human rhythm.
Hmm that's very interesting. Thank you for another high quality video. I've always thought of the last pattern in this video as a mixture of the first two riffs, where the kick alternates to repeat every 5th as well as 3rd 16th note. Or rather, if you call the 5 one "infrequent" (or '0') and the 3 one "frequent" (or '1'), you can formulate the pattern in another way. This pattern then becomes: 00011, repeating. For clarification, the riff where the kick repeats every 3rd 16th note becomes 11111 (repeating) with this notation, and the pattern where the kick repeats every 5th 16th note becomes 00000 repeating. Very interesting that we've found different ways to communicate the same pattern!
Meshuggah in 2008: Just trying to make a brutal metal song
*accidentally creates benchmark composition for in depth rhythmic analysis for decades to come*
And to think it almost never made it to the album...
honestly they knew what they were doing, they've been doing that shit 10 years before bleed came out... Bleed is actually one of their more "straight forward" tracks
@@AlbertSirup None of that changes the legitimacy of the post you're trying to correct...
@@Fitz1993 I didn't intent to...
@@Fitz1993 that being said, it would be a dishonest to say they "just" wanted to make a brutal metal song like Cannibal Corpse is making brutal metal songs - I'm pretty sure the members of Meshuggah do enjoy the nerdiness of making up weird rhythms and it doesn't just happen by accident
Just the fact that they managed to turn a relatively simple beat into one of the most notoriously difficult rhythmic songs to play by sneaking in just 1 extra beat is mind-blowing
Tool's "Invincible" main riff is the same except every two repeats they introduce yet another extra beat, and it's also much much slower
Mike Mangini was already playing this exact beat during his drums solo, way before the band existed.
yep. as a drummer, Hertas are universally recognized as one of the hardest rudiments to play, and the fact he can do it with his feet is beyond impressive
It's like how Bill Burr said one time: 3 different people can be headbanging to 3 different tempos, and all be on time with each other. One guy windmills to the faster bits, one guy goes for the more 4/4 nod, and another goes for a semi delayed nod to sync up with the 4/4. An orchestra of whiplash
That 7 7 5 3 5 thing blew my mind. Heard the song so many times that tapping along with the changing beats felt so natural; but with this analysis and knowing how it's properly counted out, I think it broke my muscle memory haha!
hahahahah oh no!
Yeah, when learning this song the pattern was obvious when looking at tabs but it's probably the hardest part of the song due to the speed of it, it requires soooo much concentration
Man the 77535 is the part that really fucks with my brain. You explained that so well
Best analysis of Bleed I've ever seen. Clear, concise, fun and very visual. Love it dude!
Glad you enjoyed it!
He’s slightly tapping the snare between each hit..
Agreed
As guitarist i’m very worried about the monster group of 27 beats😅😅😅😅
Just discovered this channel, I love these videos
It's incredible that one human can play two different rhythms simultaneously and keep them straight in their head. I can see why it took him as long to master this one song as it did the rest of the tracks on the album.
Wait till this dude finds out about Danny Carey, playing not just 4 different sigs, but 3 of them being preposterously obscure, and mixing in percussionist melodies at the same time.
And two very complex rhythms at that
“Meshuggah...the unborn child of a distortion pedal and a calculator.”
Conceived by a future breed machine.
@@vyen9343 Leading into Entrapment in the Paradoxical Spiral until you become the *New Millenium Cyanide Christ*
This comment needs to stay at 666likes👽🤘
The only warcrime Texas Instruments ever calculated- they normally make calcs tho so not really a concern long as the sky isn’t saying these things while raining galactic opera and ass beetles who dig latrines of eggs and carve a fecal circulatory system inside future pool of necrosis hatchery chitlins as you think it can’t end slower- might drift off for ten seconds but suddenly the fast forward of time to catch perception up-you’re festering hotdog water- feeling a year in moments and then the worst moment for years.
My ass fascists need easy to slurp morsels, growing cog is an obligation, or end up breathless and on fire as a torch that may outlive this cycle unless we commodify suffering and use money mechanics to maximize total and degree overall of suffering. now as soon as babies poop in what’s left of you , anti-narcotic to kick in as you behold a indescribable moment when only darkness is left. Knowing futile still god sold us only to suffer the same fate or worse- cementing psychic damage is the coldest, archetypal markers, monument , a tableau of god marrying off eve, heart… of a billion matrices of Faustianbargains build like weeds contorting and multiplying and planning the new currency- and step back, those older still where you are- the psychic damage of hopeless is beyond your comprehension, to move from your minds dementia, everests and genicides of billions of puddles all stuck all will beg, first god until he is begging his children to save him. until too many connections not enough ( 10:33 quantum electrolytes, like red cells with oxygen neutrinos can be hijacker’s like a virus causing currency mechanics to solidify as natural law inverts. for first gen hybrids real quality, but things weren’t pretty before free will- the indigo children chemical castrated for the spectale of sterilizing Peace- some felt them- and always knew would win..to carry out any number of experiments and function of intergalactic commerce and a homey family setting of proprietary soloutions to break whole families as the interval and contrast between good bad disappear… it’s means test subjugation- ultimately to create a system of majority malignant hopelessness- and using new doors made by decay lube torture stormproselytizing all slowing down their own victory’ssynthesizes with the neutrino torture grouping (illegal unless you are a horny infra-dimensional tumor that can hive/ alter quantum norms to basically to dethrone anything remotely capable of defending itself- suddenly the big slurp happens and everything is inside out wearing a leash if your own nervous system only barely realizing what’s happened before you realize it’s all happening much too slow believing your own perception time dialates right as you are shown your fate- you are going to be thread, and then a really cool ascot of human fealty for the butt beetle demiurge.whose minute of life will be a thousand years of slow motion laws will is aerosolized as a terraforming/ vassalizing agent- free-bleeding with no clotting agent all population centers are herded to form a mycelium puddle of reappropriated viscera from chromosome stripped slow rot- allowing chromosome damage to progress slowly like radiation in order to finish what jehovah started before god created amaranthine chaisthink how one day space America will find space trump and he will unleash ass rot!
Nurtured by a single vocal tone.
You fooled me into learning math recreationally, well done! May the algorithm bless you and your channel.
hahahhahah best comment ever
Wait...
*...Vi Hart...?*
Loved the Video until i realized you drew the guitar WITH SIX STRINGS!!!
How dare you?
..I trusted you..
.... Ummmm ....
I can explain.
...
(I thought no one would notice)
It was a test. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO PASSED!
@@YogevGabay
Haha, well then I'm glad! ;)
Nice work man.
Really impressive and huge love for details. Actually helps a lot understanding and playing the song.
Big thanks!
Hope you have a good year.
Same to you!
To anyone who's as confused with this as I was: Meshuggah use 8-string guitars.
Benefits of more strings are: More total range, more notes available at each hand position (economy of motion) and - if I understood this correctly - better tonal distinction because more notes are now "in the middle" of the string rather than towards the ends.
He also said ObZen was released in 2010 when it was actually released in 2008
I hope meshuggah sees this one day and takes it as a challenge to write something even more elaborate that cant be broken down in a video like this lol
Oh they did don't worry hahaha
"I"
'I' is so random they can't play most of it live ( iirc)
to be honest for me this is the easiest meshuggah song to understand theoretically by quite a large margin, it really is just 4/4 and once you slow it down the patterns are very easy to grasp. playing it on the other hand...
Well every meshuggasong is 4/4
I just said that to make you understand it still polyrythms, 77535 is not a standard 4/4 song, but it still bleed and fucking Hard to get a grip of haha
I seriously had never taken the time to figure out what the hell was going on in the last part you cover in this video, and it's actually even more clever than I was imagining. Plus, if you just shift the writing, you get 7-5-3-5-7... That's kind of a slow, very regular wave, and it's not just hidden in the structure of the song, it's its backbone. God I cannot talk about this band without gushing.
Great video
Thanks man! And yes, I also thought about the 7-5-3-5-7 thing, but why would it start with 2 sevens?
In fact thats the pattern that plays right after the solo.
@@YogevGabay my guess is it's a shifted pattern of patterns? Just like in Combustion (nice video there) where the guitar starts out a tad late, maybe this one starts a tad early?
@@Variety_Pack Maybe? no idea hahh
@@YogevGabay It could technically still be considered as a 7-5-3-5-7 repeating pattern, because that's how that section ends and the first time it's played it's truncated, starting with the last 7. This way the rationale behind it looks more logical; slow-normal-fast-normal-slow, I like to think that's how they came up with it.
I did literally fall asleep to this album for a few month period. So hypnotic and peaceful in a completely chaotic and violent way.
Non-drummer here, been obsessed with understanding what’s going on in this song, have watched many video breakdowns, this is the first one that’s actually nailed the breakdown. Will be watching PT II soon!
I have a really hard time trying to understand music like this but the way that you presented it made it really easy to digest, thanks man
What I gathered from the drummer: "him leggie hurt."
didint thomas trained for like a year to play it live?
@@maximomanzano9165I know it took him longer than the rest of the album combined.
I was a HUGE meshuggah fan since the desteoy erase improve album. Id listen to ALL their albums literally thousands of times.
As a guitarist, one day my drummer mate asked
"Do you hear the ghost notes Thomas is tappin on the snare"
I squinted closely pressed my ear to the speaker....
OH MY FUCKING GOD THERE IS ANOTHER LAYER TO THIS SHIT IVE BEEN COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS TO THIS ENTIRE TIME.
i had to relisten to every record over to atone for my sins in complete shame that i wasnt fully appreciating the depth of this non human god tier super band
hahahaha epic!
What's Meshuggah?
It's Thor; Odin; Loki and the bois.
I love your style of videos - it is really tricky to explain something so complicated in the "simple way" that you do it. Kudos to you. Keep'em coming.
Glad you like them!
I stand in awe! Best analysis bar none 🤘
That kick drum groove sounds like a heart attack
Can you please please please do The Art of Dying by Gojira!? Those first 3 minutes are so hard to figure out by ear and your way of explaining is perfect for figuring that intro part out!
Follow exaclty what gustavo said, that's the whole structure. That's just a mix of group of 3 kicks / snare and 2 kicks / snare
k k k S - k k k S - k k k S - k k S k k S k k S k k k S - k k k S - k k k S - k k S k k S
Just reapeat that 4 time and then it ends with
k k k S S k k k S S k k k S S k k k S S and loops back
My comment dissapeared, my bad, anyway the above works for kick/snare timing. Bar structure is 5 bars of 8 (40 counts) 1 bar of 5 (5 counts), 1 bar of 6 (6 counts) and then loops, totalling 51 counts, Count denoted on ride/crash cymbals at 138bpm during the intro section.
Hope it helps!
@@theguy4361 and on top of that hammer 4th on a china cymbal!!!!
Well you have got your wish
That song is deceptively easy to play on drums. It's pretty ergonomic
Funny that you said bedtime song; I do actually sleep to this almost every day. Not even exaggarating.
well, the constant rhythms of meshuggah in general are great to relax to
Same for me. Whenever I listen to Catch 33 it clears my mind so much that I fall asleep after a few minutes.
The fact that explaining this song takes more than one part does kind of point out how incredible it is.
Bro, Meshuggah literally break the boundaries of measures in musical notation
Man ....one teacher to another, I admire your level of organized, methodical analysis/instruction. I am by no means a metalhead, but this makes me want to pull out the double kick and start working on it.
My humus brain thanks you - dude these are great. Please keep them coming. It's really really impressive to see you break this stuff down.
Glad you like them!
I've been saying for years that this song is entirely in 4/4 and everyone has said I'm an idiot with no understanding of music. This song is fast and very in your face, so it's hard to count, but it's one of their simplest songs. The gallops are not difficult on guitar (or bass), just exhausting. The drumming is clean and consistent, but also exhausting. The hardest part of this song is remembering where you are.
It’s very funny to me to see non-drummer musicians over-analyze the hell out of time signatures for songs, especially metal. Like, find the backbeat and you’ll find the time signature. More often than not a song is in 4/4 but isn’t felt in a straightforward manner.
For example, even Tool’s ‘Schism’ is 5/8 + 7/8 until they get to the bridge. It’s really very easy to feel in 12/8 or even 4/4. But everyone tries to find time through the bass line, which is an ostinato that goes over the bar line by design. It’s like trying to find the point of origin on a mobius strip - it doesn’t exist, and it was designed that way. Danny’s drum part, however, gives a backbeat that no one but other drummers seem to be able to latch on to.
Moral of the story - don’t think it first, feel it. Then think about what you feel.
@@tim.noonanan... I love this reply. It's exactly what I've been telling my peers about their own musical creations. Stop over thinking what you're playing. Feel it, keep feeling it, then think about what you feel and analyze what it is in musical theory that makes you feel it this way. It almost always comes down to simplistic or familiar structures as the backbone or foundation of the composition. All the other elements are just built off of or around the initial structure. Thank you. You put what was always in my head into relatable words :)
you’re right. it IS in 4/4.
@@kymcconnellyeah I remember I heard tooth and claw by animals as leaders and it sounds like it is in a wacky time signature but it is actually in 4/4.
3 beats, 5 beats, 7 beats. Prime numbers metal song! 🤘
77535 is the zip code for a county outside Houston in Texas btw, for anyone and everyone who didnt ask.
7:36 a few abstract algebra students just fell down from their chairs
i'm mad for laughing at this comment
this song became even more scary after watching this.
No joke, I actually listened to Bleed as a bedtime song last night. It pumps you up and calms you down.
I have no idea what I'm looking at, but dang it, loving every bit of it ❣️
Absolutely top stuff my dude. Please keep doing these
Bloody brilliant video mate! 🤘
I’ve been trying to breakdown the techniques of my favorite bands lately to learn how I can use similar things in my music, so I’m very glad I found this channel.
If you want to have extra fun at a Meshuggah show, watch all the confused people who are stuck on the complex subdivisions and don't know how to headbang to it. Every time I'd go to one of their shows, I'd point out to people that you can usually rely on the backbeat of the snare or the steady cymbal hits to figure out the actual time signature. BTW, shout out to their A/V tech doing their live lighting. In case anyone isn't aware, that dude is a seriously unsung hero. He is just as skilled as the members of the band because he plays their polyrhythms on the control pads in sync with their live performance to do their lighting. He knows their songs in and out just as they do and deserves so much more credit than he ever gets.
everytime I try to listen to your dissections I have to just go listen to Obzen. it's one of my favorites and changed my life dramatically back in 2010
unbelievable you figured this out on such a deep level, Mad respect
Amazing video. It's been round about 15 years since I last touched an instrument, so I forgot all my music theory and notes, but this video was clear and concise even for someone with limited knowledge and gave me a solid grasp of this masterpiece. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video!
Oh man, this is EXACTLY what I am trying to achieve!
I'm super happy you found this helpful.
I love the format of this video. Underrated channel!
Love your videos man! As a musically illiterate person who loves complex metal it’s really cool to be able to understand how it’s all put together.
Man you made me smile just to finaly understand this mysterious song rythm ..thank you
Cool vid!
Obzen came out in 2008.
i have been trying to learn this song on my drum pad since it literally came out. The Hertas were self explanatory but you blew me away with the 77535 explanation
Well, they blew my mind as well hahaha
I couldn’t play this when I was a kid and I still can’t play it today. Well done Meshuggah
Yogev : meticulously explaining bleed
Bill burr : *makes funny noises*
Sounds about right
HAHAHAHAHA best. I freaking love Bill Burr
Funny story: I started to listen to meshuggah in 8th grade, must have been around 2014ish or so. After a while I started tapping out random meshuggah beats if I got bored at school.
I still do this today, it's become a habit. These rythms will live with me forever. This is certainly one of them.
Dont forget Yogi mate a lot of your viewers are legit super nerds analysing zappa charts for 20+ years.
This kinda stuff is like 1st year uni analysis
Cant wait for the yogi masters degree tier vids
Keep up the great work we love ya
Part of the aesthetic of the 77535 group is that it can represent the final stages of tachycardia before heart failure.
Any chance you could explain further?
How did I just now discover this channel? Excellent breakdown and incredible production!
Honestly, thank you! I had collapsing contradictions through a rational gaze of NONE while starting to BLEED.
I've got a long way to go as a drummer but thank you so much for laying out the foundation for me.
Your explanation is beyond incredible, congrats and thanks!
outstanding explanation you are the best on the net
One of the goat metal songs. Genius.
These "Time consuming" are fantastic!GREAT JOB mister Gabay...Thanks a lot!
Thanks a lot!
i really need to say thank you so much for this. the explanation of the 4 note drum pattern helped me so much in learning this song on guitar. this video is great, you’re a genius.
I really appreciate this type of video. I am your average self taught metal musician with no real formal musical education or training. Seeing this broke down like this, was really cool.
Happy you found it useful !
@@YogevGabay I haven't checked your channel yet, and I wanted to, glad you replied and reminded me. I feel like I can actually learn some things that will only help me musically. Again, thanks for the uploads!
@@DrMurdercock Oh man thanks! I'm happy you like the stuff
This style of explanation is brilliant, thanks for making it as easy to understand as something as crazy as this can be
I watched this and the 2nd part. Your work for this analysis is the most comprehensive I've seen, by far. I'm subscribing.
Happy you like it Ryan!
@@YogevGabay, I look forward for more awesome song analysis from you. 👌
@@YogevGabay , I was thinking if you've already done an analysis (or cover) of Mouse on the Keys' Leviathan and Afterglow? They're not too difficult in meters (I may be wrong) but the drummer is so creative.
Oh I'll check these out! you have links?
@@YogevGabay
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Thank you for this analysis! i finally understand the shifting rhythm of the song now!
Ohhhhhhh best comment. That's exactly my goal !
the fact that im not a drummer and now i feel like i can move my feet to this beat now feels oh so nice
My job is done here.
You need more subs!! The effort you put into your videos is superb.
Thank you so much 😀
Best analysis too. Absolutly perfect !
Dude that was an amazing breakdown. Almost as amazing as Bleed's breakdown. Seriously though, cool work.
Thanks a ton! Glad you like it!
Excellent explanation!
He sarcastically gives the "Best Bedtime Song Award" to Bleed , but what he doesn't know is that he stated a FACT
This series absolutely a great idea and so well explained .please keep it going!
That's the plan!
As a drummer I loved every second of this!!!
meshuggah are friggin wizards.
Thanks for breaking down the last section. i never actually tried to learn the song properly, just by noodling around i figured out some of he first patterns, but the final section sounded very random and discouraged me to learn it.
This is so brilliant... thanks for the ultra clear insight into this song. Seriously. Amazing, I'm barely a musician and I now understand this track a million times better!
Oh my god that monster section... no wonder the drums took so long to nail.
This video is amazing
Thank you for making it
The last part of this video is my favourite part of the song And I've always wondered if its random and now i know
Cannot wait to see this band Sunday
Shaping up to be a life changer of a song for me! Nice breakdown!
excellent videos on your channel, cheers. the kount is with you
Honestly, just hearing the programmed kicks felt strangely satistfying. For a few seconds there it felt like the chaos that's constantly in my head settled down so we could pay attention. Thank you. :D
love the vid! I'm writing an essay for my music history class and will definitely be crediting you with helping explain this song!
Thanks for the quality video and in depth analysis of Bleed!
This really helps you appreciate the music even more. Great work!
3.4k views?! Severely underrated! Awesome content, man.
Thanks man!!
This is an absolute goldmine of a channel, man. Absolutely digging the content, Yogi my man
Thanks! Thanks a lot !
The drummer actually plays a more complex snare pattern you just can't hear it but you can see him playing ghost notes in his live performance drum cam videos.
YES. KUDOS, YOGEV.
Thank god, I definitely needed someone to explain the 77535 thing.
I had I hard time figuring out Veil of Maya's "we bow in its aura," too. I think its 357 over and over again. So simple but they make it sound complicated with the downbeat on a different note every time
I actually think of it as a palindrome 75357, that they start on the last 7 to create 77535. Meshuggah have a habit of starting riffs in the middle making it seem as if the pattern has a certain order, but really it's a different order all together.
i want meshuggah and gojira to collaborate so bad.
Good to see a Gojira fan here! Also, Gojira did do a song called Of Blood And Salt with Fredrick Thorndendal of Meshuggah and Devin Townsend. The EP it was on was corrupted but this song survived, other songs on the EP featured Randy Blythe and Max Cavalera. They say they might re record the songs that were lost and release the EP one day, which I hope they do.
This was incredible. The quality of these videos is un.real!! I love this channel
Wow that made it very clear. Great video, thanks for the effort :D
I love these walkthrough videos for Meshuggah levels. I'd be stuck constantly without you.
Amazing work! Love the vid.
Your videos are incredible. Thank you.
The fact that you have to make two separate videos for one song says a lot about the song.
This is actually such a cool way of visually breaking down a song
Love this video. Thank you.
This video is amazing, very well put together I really appreciate it
The thing is, the musicians playing this stuff, don’t think in these terms, they just “feel” what they do.
It’s fascinating to see a musical expert like Yogev Gabay, break it down and show us all the wonder of human rhythm.
Hmm that's very interesting. Thank you for another high quality video. I've always thought of the last pattern in this video as a mixture of the first two riffs, where the kick alternates to repeat every 5th as well as 3rd 16th note. Or rather, if you call the 5 one "infrequent" (or '0') and the 3 one "frequent" (or '1'), you can formulate the pattern in another way. This pattern then becomes: 00011, repeating.
For clarification, the riff where the kick repeats every 3rd 16th note becomes 11111 (repeating) with this notation, and the pattern where the kick repeats every 5th 16th note becomes 00000 repeating.
Very interesting that we've found different ways to communicate the same pattern!
Great song, great explanation video - thanks!
Love this video, and now I love this song :)