Only thing I know about Marrow is every time I listen to it, it feels like I'm right under a meteorite rain, where the sliding note is the meteor falling, and the low note is the meteor crashing on the ground.
The confusion is the main reason I listen to Meshuggah. Since I can't remember the beats or get the hang of it, I just relax and let the groove wash over me.
@@Ion99 I rarely saw much praise for Catch Thirty-Three online compared to Nothing or ObZen. I've discovered way later their song In Death / Is Life / Is Death and it slowly became one of my favorites from them.
The only "structures" I can see in the POST GTR Solo Riff #2 are: 1) XOXO OXOX (symmetry) + XOOXX (twice) and then OXO (twice, also symmetry) + XXXOOX XOOXXX (symmetry) and, which I think has more mathematical/geometrical sense: 2) X + OXO OXO (symmetry and repetition) + XX OO XXX OO XX (symmetry, internal structure: 2+2+3+2+2) and then OXO OXO (again) + XXX OO XX OO XXX (similar to end of the first line but 3+2+2+2+3, exchanging the X amounts (2 becomes 3 and 3 becomes 2))
It’s a pretty good reason, but also not. Modern metal is filled with all sorts of pitch shifting stuff. Buster Odeholm is a great example with any of his projects. Also, the song is very difficult.
@@usaflagraybansOrbit culture is using Pitch shifts aswell and I never noticed anything. It probably depends on the gear they use. But I need to be honest that I don't know how good programmed pitch shifts work with weird timings.
I have no factual idea what beat I’m on when I’m in the middle of one of meshuggah’s prolonged hypermeasures. However, I have a perfect sense of when the one is coming up. You really can’t miss the one. Meshuggah is a hell of a drug. Thanks for the enlightening video!
I've heard there's a dissertation explaining that many Meshuggah riffs "start" in the "middle" I'm afraid I don't have an example handy but I imagine these riffs fall under that umbrella
I heard that before, but it's too far out of an idea for me to even entertain. I mean, if something starts in the middle, how would you even know where the "beginning" of the riff is besides taking you best musical guess? you know what I mean?
@@tinnitussoundtherapyhe’s done dissertations on this kind of thing but the “riff starting in the middle” thing is not his afaik, though his Car Bomb dissertation is absolutely worth reading
As you asked for feedback: The way you explain those riffs with smaller chunks of 2,3,4 and 5s makes total sense to me :) I think the visualization is spot on. Love it 😍
Glad to have you back ! For the guitar solo #1 part at 9:22 the pattern you noted 4343' 3'4'34 3'4'43 43'4'43 with ' being the accents. I tried to rewrite it and thought I would share this other logic I found. 4 3 4 3' 3' 4' 3 4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase is the one above but 3 and 4s are swapped. Also it sounds like after those 3 accents in the first phrase, this is a new phrase. 4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase just repeats what's above from the 2nd group and the accents are at the same places. I don't know if I'm seeing patterns where there aren't though :') Thank you for the video !
Really sick work, welcome back! I never realized how much this song does the classic thing of being almost a pattern but not quite, just enough to drive a person crazy.
Heck yeah, glad to have you back! I'd been periodically checking every few months to see if a new video notice slipped through the cracks, so imagine my joy when this came up.
The explanation you gave about the numbers representing the duration of the groups that divide the riff is in perfect alliance with the intuition I gained from watching your videos, which helped me unlock the extra brain cells needed to actually count the songs by myself. Since you hadn't explained it in plain words before this video, I was thinking about commenting on the way the numbers represent duration ( independently of how that duration is expressed via stops or dotted notes or whatever ), but I thought it would sound confusing. After gaining this intuition, all I usually do is create small groups of 2/3/4/5 16th notes and slowly correct my way to the completion of the riff. Needless to say, you showed me a new way of listening to music and helped me appreciate even more the genius of Meshuggah! You are a great content creator with great intuition that can be transfered to others, which is a rare thing to do. Cheers mate! Wish you the best and I hope that the thing you don't want to talk about evolves to the best possible scenario.
They've also never played The Demons Name is Surveillance for obvious reasons. Such a relentless track. I'd love to hear Behind the Sun. I'd also love to hear an anaylsis of Nostrum someday too 🤘
Amazing video as always Yogev! I find really easy to understand the number (beat) blocks that you use for visual representation. It really helps following along and just shows how creative Meshuggah are when it comes to wrritting riffs. Really enjoyed this video, thank you so much for your effort! Also shoutout to mr. Riccardo on the guitar. Learning this must've taken quite some time
This has always been a favorite of mine since its release. Used to listen on repeat until I got it down, that drum solo in the middle was fun 😅. Great to have you back Yogev!!!!
So glad to have you posting again! Have missed this channel and it's amazing way of helping me understand what I assumed was sheer sorcery and enjoying the songs even more.
I’m so confused, I discovered your channel yesterday and was sad that you didn’t upload in a year, but less than a day later you dropped this banger of a video. Congrats!
11:59 this one's actually perfectly symmetrical if you count the last 4-s as [ 4+(2+2)+4 ]. So, the last 4 not just ends the first appearance of the riff, but also begins the second one. 2+2 tied between the "measures"
yeah i noticed the reason i was struggling to play the song on guitar because of the tuning thing. i was totally confused...now you ve solved the mystery! ty!
Great video! At first I thought it was just too hard and random, but then I remembered the intro to In Death Is Life and, even worse, the middle third of In Death Is Death. Both are staples of their live set list! I can’t believe they wouldn’t play Marrow live because of detuning. That’s a common effect (these days), just not for Meshuggah songs. Why? Why won’t they play the song?!?
the subdivision thing might really deserve a video all on its own! I have watched a bunch of your videos, esp the meshuggah ones, but I still struggle to do my own subdivision planning in my music; I'm not great at theory in general, but you always break it down right in the sweet spot between confusion and understanding. perhaps it could help others as well to see how one might conceive a new riff and achieve something meshuggah-like/inspired by using subdivisions creatively.
super hyped for Mayshuggah! if I remember correctly, it might have been Rob Scallon's Mayshuggah Shovel cover during Maytallica way back that introduced me to this incredible band!
Amazing breakdown, much appreciate it. This is only my long list of meshuggah songs to learn. Haha "we're not going to talk about it" 😂 glad to see you're back and hope you're well
![Tomas Haake (Meshuggah) reacts to..... drumtalk [special]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aP6SWePP_wk/mqdefault.jpg)
My utter confusion has turned into further utter confusion *proceeds to headbang to the strong beat*
Couldn't be more relatable.
Just think what I went through
@YogevGabay I can't. My brain would be beyond fried. You breaking down Meshuggah songs is a great feat on its own.
@YogevGabay thank you for your service 😂
That's all we all can do 😂
"Yes it has been a long time, no we're not gonna talk about it." All good, just glad to see you back!
Thanks so much !!!
IKR I just found this channel and am thankful for the timing!
It's my first time here so I'm just imagining something horrifying occurred until I get new information.
@@gongboy83More horryfying than breaking down Meshuggah songs!?
OMG OMG OMG it's happening, we're getting the Marrow breakdown!!!!!
HELL YEH !
It sounds like a really bad thing outside of Meshuggah music
@@ChaosPootato Marrow Breakdown affected my entire family
Inside Thomas' head when he's playing: "Alright post guitar solo let's go x, circle, x, cricle, circle, x, circle,x,x..."
Only thing I know about Marrow is every time I listen to it, it feels like I'm right under a meteorite rain, where the sliding note is the meteor falling, and the low note is the meteor crashing on the ground.
"I'll just throw in some numbers because I know you missed them." Yes, sir. We did!
Yogev going through every combination of 4 and 3 for 16 minutes. great vid my guy
מלך !
The confusion is the main reason I listen to Meshuggah. Since I can't remember the beats or get the hang of it, I just relax and let the groove wash over me.
That’s exactly perfect, you can’t always guess what’s next and so you give up and just go with it 🔥
It forces you to just let go and ride the wave 🤘
Marrow is absolutely underrated.
In fact, Koloss is absolutely underrated, along with Catch Thirty-Three.
Also Koloss has one of the most beautiful closing track in the history of ever as far as my insignificant person is concerned
Catch Thirty-Three is by far my favorite Meshuggah album
Catch Thirtythree is not underrated. Everybody sings its well-deserved praises. Their best album
@@Ion99 I rarely saw much praise for Catch Thirty-Three online compared to Nothing or ObZen.
I've discovered way later their song In Death / Is Life / Is Death and it slowly became one of my favorites from them.
@@Walexo45 Really? I'm always seeing people echo that it's their best album. Guess we're just on different ends of the cyberspace
The only "structures" I can see in the POST GTR Solo Riff #2 are:
1) XOXO OXOX (symmetry) + XOOXX (twice) and then OXO (twice, also symmetry) + XXXOOX XOOXXX (symmetry)
and, which I think has more mathematical/geometrical sense:
2) X + OXO OXO (symmetry and repetition) + XX OO XXX OO XX (symmetry, internal structure: 2+2+3+2+2) and then OXO OXO (again) + XXX OO XX OO XXX (similar to end of the first line but 3+2+2+2+3, exchanging the X amounts (2 becomes 3 and 3 becomes 2))
Least complicated prog metal rhythm explanation:
The conclusion on why they never played it live blew my mind, lol
It’s a pretty good reason, but also not. Modern metal is filled with all sorts of pitch shifting stuff. Buster Odeholm is a great example with any of his projects.
Also, the song is very difficult.
I’d like to see a similar video for why they don’t play “I”
I wonder if that's really the case !
@@CCDaDon15 Not sure if this is what you meant, but:
th-cam.com/video/QnUb3roNcdo/w-d-xo.html
@@usaflagraybansOrbit culture is using Pitch shifts aswell and I never noticed anything. It probably depends on the gear they use. But I need to be honest that I don't know how good programmed pitch shifts work with weird timings.
I have no factual idea what beat I’m on when I’m in the middle of one of meshuggah’s prolonged hypermeasures. However, I have a perfect sense of when the one is coming up. You really can’t miss the one. Meshuggah is a hell of a drug.
Thanks for the enlightening video!
Epic pfp.
With clockworks it is 2’s and 3’s for Marrow it is 3’s and 4’s. The rhythmic creativity of this band is unreal
I've heard there's a dissertation explaining that many Meshuggah riffs "start" in the "middle"
I'm afraid I don't have an example handy but I imagine these riffs fall under that umbrella
Yes it’s true. Lethargica has some.
Probably Caulder Hannon. His channel Metal Music Theory does some very indepth dissections of meshuggah
Entrapment and In death is Death had a lot of those riffs 🙌
I heard that before, but it's too far out of an idea for me to even entertain.
I mean, if something starts in the middle, how would you even know where the "beginning" of the riff is besides taking you best musical guess?
you know what I mean?
@@tinnitussoundtherapyhe’s done dissertations on this kind of thing but the “riff starting in the middle” thing is not his afaik, though his Car Bomb dissertation is absolutely worth reading
So glad you are back. And right in time for MAYshuggah!
Good to see you again Yogev! I missed these videos! ❤
He was preparing a set of analysis of Kōenji Hyakkei that will soon be released.
Well, at least this is my dream...
Marrow is a Meshuggah Sudoku!!!!
You are the best, I need these analysis so badly 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Welcome back! I've sorely missed your videos.
As you asked for feedback:
The way you explain those riffs with smaller chunks of 2,3,4 and 5s makes total sense to me :)
I think the visualization is spot on.
Love it 😍
Meshuggah counting works for me
Epic ! Happy to hear !
Some of my favorite content on youtube. Keep doing your thing!
Thanks !!
I don’t even understand anything that’s going on but I’m hooked on the Meshuggah videos
Oh, I'm so glad Mayshuggay is back. I didn't realize how much I missed this.
Sometimes it feels the lyrics are the actual rhythmical grid.
Honey… wake the children it’s Mayshuggah! Missed greatly.
Glad to have you back !
For the guitar solo #1 part at 9:22 the pattern you noted
4343'
3'4'34
3'4'43
43'4'43
with ' being the accents. I tried to rewrite it and thought I would share this other logic I found.
4 3 4 3' 3' 4'
3 4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase is the one above but 3 and 4s are swapped. Also it sounds like after those 3 accents in the first phrase, this is a new phrase.
4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase just repeats what's above from the 2nd group and the accents are at the same places.
I don't know if I'm seeing patterns where there aren't though :')
Thank you for the video !
"Nice, now that was pretty easy...."
*narrows-eyes*
Really sick work, welcome back! I never realized how much this song does the classic thing of being almost a pattern but not quite, just enough to drive a person crazy.
Awesome breakdown! So good to have you back with us just in time for the best month of the year - Mayshuggah.
I'm glad you're back, man. I haven't understood Meshuggah for about a year and now suddenly I can!
So glad to have you back! Much love ❤
Heck yeah, glad to have you back! I'd been periodically checking every few months to see if a new video notice slipped through the cracks, so imagine my joy when this came up.
You know the Meshuggah subReddit goes wild every time you do a video. Your work is amazing, God bless you brother, a service to the community!
We absolutely need some Vildhjarta! Welcome back :)
So glad to see you back! One of the best creators on TH-cam.
I'm so happy you're back to help uncover the mysteries that are Meshuggah's rhythms for us.
Glad you are back. So insightful and funny at the same time.
The explanation you gave about the numbers representing the duration of the groups that divide the riff is in perfect alliance with the intuition I gained from watching your videos, which helped me unlock the extra brain cells needed to actually count the songs by myself. Since you hadn't explained it in plain words before this video, I was thinking about commenting on the way the numbers represent duration ( independently of how that duration is expressed via stops or dotted notes or whatever ), but I thought it would sound confusing. After gaining this intuition, all I usually do is create small groups of 2/3/4/5 16th notes and slowly correct my way to the completion of the riff. Needless to say, you showed me a new way of listening to music and helped me appreciate even more the genius of Meshuggah! You are a great content creator with great intuition that can be transfered to others, which is a rare thing to do. Cheers mate! Wish you the best and I hope that the thing you don't want to talk about evolves to the best possible scenario.
HOOOOOORAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! YAGEV you are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I missed you and your extraordinary interstellar content!
YYYYYEEEEESSSSSSS
Glad to see you back!
Glad to see your back!! Missed the breakdowns man, Fr
8:58 it's three palindromic statements: 4343 242 3434 then 4343 3434 then 3443 4 3443
Good to see you Yogev, nice breakdown as always.
They've also never played The Demons Name is Surveillance for obvious reasons. Such a relentless track. I'd love to hear Behind the Sun. I'd also love to hear an anaylsis of Nostrum someday too 🤘
So glad you're back
Welcome back Yogev !
It is sooo good to hear that (Your) voice again. 🤘🏼
Amazing video as always Yogev! I find really easy to understand the number (beat) blocks that you use for visual representation. It really helps following along and just shows how creative Meshuggah are when it comes to wrritting riffs. Really enjoyed this video, thank you so much for your effort! Also shoutout to mr. Riccardo on the guitar. Learning this must've taken quite some time
Oh that's great to hear, I'n happy !
And yes, Riccardo KILLED it, he's the man !
So glad to hear from Yogev after a long pause! Welcome back! 🎉
Welcome back! Great video, as always!
YOGEV! YOU HAVE DELIVERED AGAIN MY FRIEND!
OMG, I've been waiting for a video from you for a LONG time. Welcome back. Hope all is well.
This has always been a favorite of mine since its release. Used to listen on repeat until I got it down, that drum solo in the middle was fun 😅. Great to have you back Yogev!!!!
So glad to have you posting again! Have missed this channel and it's amazing way of helping me understand what I assumed was sheer sorcery and enjoying the songs even more.
Nice tease of Future Breed Machine there :D It's awesome to have you back, Yogev! Looking forward to the next one.
As always it was an enjoyable vid to watch, thanks for the clarification on 9:37, and once again awesome content man cheers from Argentina 🇦🇷
Thanks Elias !
I’m so confused, I discovered your channel yesterday and was sad that you didn’t upload in a year, but less than a day later you dropped this banger of a video. Congrats!
Sooo glad to see you back yogev! All the best!
@9:35 Great explanation like always. I'll take whatever you got, because it helps me alot when breaking down these CRAZY riffs!!!
YOU CAME BACK. missed you
YES! I've missed you and this series!
So happy you’re back! Your channel is one of my all time favorites!
Phenomenal video of a great track! Thank you Yogev!
This is all I needed thanks Yogev
Saludos desde Chile!
Glad you're back :) always interested in those meshuggah analysis!
Not all heroes wear capes!! Great to have you back, my friend!!!
YESSSSSSSS the master is back!!!!
Great to see you back! All your explanations made perfect sense ty
Lovely to see you back again Yogev!
11:59 this one's actually perfectly symmetrical if you count the last 4-s as [ 4+(2+2)+4 ]. So, the last 4 not just ends the first appearance of the riff, but also begins the second one. 2+2 tied between the "measures"
I was very suprised seeing you in my feed today. Glad you are back!
Oh hell yeah, happy to see you back!
Love the collab too, awesome content
yeah i noticed the reason i was struggling to play the song on guitar because of the tuning thing. i was totally confused...now you ve solved the mystery! ty!
Glad to have you back!
Thanks for your videos bro, I'm glad you're back, you're amazing
This content is amazing. Thx so much 🫶🏻
I've missed your channel. Welcome back homie
Great video! At first I thought it was just too hard and random, but then I remembered the intro to In Death Is Life and, even worse, the middle third of In Death Is Death. Both are staples of their live set list! I can’t believe they wouldn’t play Marrow live because of detuning. That’s a common effect (these days), just not for Meshuggah songs. Why? Why won’t they play the song?!?
the subdivision thing might really deserve a video all on its own! I have watched a bunch of your videos, esp the meshuggah ones, but I still struggle to do my own subdivision planning in my music; I'm not great at theory in general, but you always break it down right in the sweet spot between confusion and understanding. perhaps it could help others as well to see how one might conceive a new riff and achieve something meshuggah-like/inspired by using subdivisions creatively.
I'm so glad you're back! I love your vids.
the smooth top numbers man returns to sooth us with numbers man
Welcome back! We missed you!!
Been waiting since Halloween of 2022 for this
Well, I'm happy you stuck around !
Glad to see you back, sir!
This song has been on my "to do cover list" for a very long time. Might be forced to approach it now 😊 great video!
So glad to see you back with Mayshuggah! The waiting was worse it 😉👍🤘
Soooo glad to see you back!
Great to see you back, hope all is well! Also, excellent video. I love being confused by music!
Damn, it's good to have you back mate
MAYSHUGGAH 2024 WELCOME BACK!!
THANKS !!
super hyped for Mayshuggah!
if I remember correctly, it might have been Rob Scallon's Mayshuggah Shovel cover during Maytallica way back that introduced me to this incredible band!
Glad you're back Yogev, this is sick.
המלך חזר🥁🥁🥁🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Glad to have you back mate. Hope you're doing well :)
Dude you're back! Just shouted you out big time in a video I'm making about Rush. Love how you visualize rhythm.
Amazing breakdown, much appreciate it. This is only my long list of meshuggah songs to learn. Haha "we're not going to talk about it" 😂 glad to see you're back and hope you're well
The mad lad is back ! Thank you for your work sir ❤ The conclusion was quite unexpected 😅
100 % agree !
Banger viedo as always! Glad to see you are back
So happy you are back!
Welcome back! ♥️
Been waiting for this one
I'm glad you're back, Yogev! This was interesting and entertaining as usual! 😁 Looking forward for next weeks!
Hells yeh !
Some crazy stuff ahead !