Dragons in Exile | Daenerys the Dreamer and Viserys the Schemer | Obsidian Nights ASOIAF Podcast
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- Game of Thrones is based on the book series A song of Ice and fire! Welcome to Episode 4 of The Obsidian Nights Podcast A Game of Thrones Daenerys 1, In this video Quinn and I will be dissecting the introduction to Daenerys Targaryen in Book 1 A Game of Thrones of the ASOIAF series. Daenerys Targaryen and Viserys Targaryen are living in exile after the dragons dynasty was ruined with Roberts war hammer! The Dragon Remembers!
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The way Dany was handled is possibly the biggest blunder in TV history
E Cording You really and truly said it! I don’t think that d&d could have %&$#@+ Dany’s character more if they had tried!
E Cording agreed.
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I think Tyrion's was
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Love Dany always, best character in a song of Ice of fire, no matter what the show did to her
@Targaryen Dynasty Well whos the best character according to you Jon snow 😀
She’s my queen, always.
Daenerys was the best character bcuz she (was) fully developed as a character. People can accept her descent to madness bcuz her character arc was building up to that... however the show completely ruined it. Same goes for Jaime Lannister. He could also be seen as one of the best characters bcuz he (was) fully developed as a character... but driving past a Halloween store (yes, they're setting up already, lol) and seeing a poster of his costume the other day the first thing I thought was "I hope whoever wears that doesn't have a (twin) sister. That was NOT what Jaime's character was meant to be remembered for. Daenerys was NOT meant to be remembered as the "Mad Queen" (that was supposed to be Cersei's title). Daenerys' character deserved better than that...
@@marisanicole5116her character arc wasn’t building up to that the showrunners just put that in there because they wanted to subvert expectations. In the script Emilia read dany burns the red keep but Cersei laid a trap of wildfire there and it causes a chain reaction which is why she locked the gates so she can sacrifice the people of kings landing
Dany is so much smarter in the books. She is easily one of the three smartest people in the story.
Really? Interesting. I wonder why they made her less so on the show then.
@@imonymous Because her being smart would be inconvenient.
She was also the only person who cared for downtrodden, nobody cared more for the people than dany
@@donone352 Tyrion was compassionate in a more practical way. As someone with a bit of a messiah complex, I could identify with Daenerys, but if I was more emotionally stable like Tyrion, his declining wits on the show notwithstanding, I'd be a lot better for people I want to help.
@@imonymous Dany doesn't have a messiah complex.
She understands what it's like to be treated like a slave and to be bullied, so when she finds herself in a position of power she feels like it's her responsability to help those who are deprived of their freedom.
Unfortunately, she was too young and inexperienced to understand the repercussions of her actions when she freed all the slaves in Astapor leading up to chaos, famine, disease and more war between the people. That's why she decided to stay in Meereen, determined to deal with this with diplomacy and peace. The masters obviously are showing her that they don't deserve this, but that's just my opinion.
The point is, she's learning with her mistakes and that's all we could ever ask from a leader. Dany's not perfect, but the fact that she puts herself in this position sacrificing her own freedom by marrying Hizdahr zo Loraq, to help people that she doesn't even know, the altruism in her actions, says a lot about her character. No one else does that.
I hate the fact that they never brought up the House with the Red Door in the show and we never get to hear Daenerys say that she is living her brother's dream and how she is only ruling because she thinks she's supposed to and not because she likes it.
She clearly comes to enjoy power. She isn't some innocent person going around saying 'I'll burn down your cities but only coz my brother would'. She thinks she is meant to be Queen, while yeah that shapes her mindset but that doesn't overwrite her morals. Ultimately she does whatever it takes for her vision
@@orphanedhanyou She comes to enjoy power... in the show. Which is literally the point. She isn't at all like this in the books. She talkes about how much she hates ruling in the books and how much she wish she could just run away but that she can't because so many people suffer and she has to do something.
@@Silva-ek9hd She would have liked to be a sailor, or a fisherman (yes, yes: "fisherwoman"). It's sad.
@@Silva-ek9hd sounds just like Jon th show runners must have hated her character cause they didn’t explore her vulnerable moments especially of how lonely and regretful she is
@@orphanedhanyoulisten to or read the book's I've been listening to the book's by David Reads ASOIAF on U Tube an all Danny's chapters I was shocked how much they left out or completely changed especially the House of the undying all of season 2 Danny's scenes made no sense at all
Danys character was one of the biggest victims of the HBO series.
@laura marrero fabian Good point
I would argue so was Dorne, and Stannis.
Euron
A Song Of Ice And Fire altogether was the absolute biggest victim of the HBO series.
I only kept watching the show when Daenerys walked into the pyre and walked out unhurt with 3 baby dragons! I was like let's go! Team Targaryen all the way!
Dany was butchered.
They butchered one of my girls. They butchered several characters but none deserved such disrespect as Dany,
Jon or even Arya. Thank you both. Please salvage as many characters as you can. I’ll patiently wait for it! Thank you again.
Let's not forget this.
Five Aegons had ruled the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. There would have been a sixth, but the Usurper's dogs had murdered her brother's son when he was still a babe at the breast. If he had lived, I might have married him. Aegon would have been closer to my age than Viserys.
I believe Viserys was planning on marrying Dani to Khal, get his army, and then have Khal killed (maybe even by Dani). He could then marry Dani and continue the bloodline while still attaining his army. Not supported in text. Just totally his mindset. Give only to take back.
I wouldn't put it past him
It makes sense within the world and in terms of his character.
I hope Daenerys doesn't eventually act like Viserys when the books come out because in the episode (8x04) Last of The Starks they had her acting like Viserys its like she regressed in that episode but every character in this episode regressed not just Daenerys.
She wasn't acting like Viserys because she's not cruel. I thought she had more faith in herself, Daenerys Targaryen. Made no sense.
Danny really should just get herself a house with a red door. Along with a lemon tree.
She could easily have red doors put on *all* her dwellings, and lemon trees planted too, I dare say!
MI u.
Daenerys was the main focal point of the ending & fucking up her character REALLY ruined everything. It literally made Jon's entire Targaryen association & character development POINTLESS, it made Tyrion look like a fool, it made Bran undeserving of being a king, it made Sansa look like nothing more then a jealous bitch, it made Cersei & Jaimie look like some unimportant side characters.. etc. Fucking up Daenerys's character was the catalyst of ruining the entire ending of the show. Sure Daenerys is one of the most fascinating character Grrm has ever written, but not at the expense of every character in this show. She was too big for D&D plot, too iconic for them to deal with correctly. Daenery will always be my queen
Don One I like Cersei’s pov chapters and Sansa’s are not bad I don’t think lol.
@@amadeusandrew76 Cercei and Jamie's chapters are both very good, but not up there with Dany tyrions or Aryas. Sansa chapters are terrible, all she does is tell us the fashion of what people are wearing in a clash of kings and debates with herself weather she loves Joffrey or not.
Don One she had a friend or lady in waiting with her in the books that they didn’t giver her in the show, and honestly idky, but I was always drawn to Dany, Sansa, and Cersei! And the story lines in the capital and the free cities across the narrow seas just very colorful and complex stories with character development that was so compelling to me lol idk
@@amadeusandrew76 Yes her friend Jane Poole which sansa treats really horribly in my opinion. IDK I've never been a fan of her character, but it's your opinion and I respect it
@Ubax Tohow No I'm saying brans story is boring from my point of view, you can like his nonsensical story all you like.
Poor Dany how horrible his character was treated by Dumb & Dumber.
This is something I've understood from the beginning. Dany is trying to get the Iron Throne because she feels its her family's, not personal desire. I never bought into this idea that she is obsessed with it.
Preston Jacobs was wrong because he was obsessed with insignificant details. I find the sentence 'they were put out' of the House with the Red Door significant. The popular assumption is that the servants kicked them out after stealing their money. But the way the sentence if written says that SOMEBODY ELSE kicked them out, probably because they didn't have the money to pay for it. This suggests that Dery was not the owner, but was paying rent.
The lemon tree was likely in a greenhouse.
They were put out of the house with the red door just as the Targaryen family was put out of the Red Keep. That probably has some significance... the color red. Like fire and blood. Lannister and Targaryen Red!
Exactly!
The only way a lemon tree can flourish in Braavos, outside a window, is if the house with the red door is on a courtyard that is domed over in glass. Consider the glass gardens at Winterfell; if the Starks can afford a structure like that, the Sealord Of Braavos surely can.
Diane The Wolfpanther agree, this is what I think also
They had hot springs underneath winterfell. The glass dome trapped the warmth from sunlight and the heat emanating from the hot springs.
It wouldn't explain why Dany used to run through fields though, nor the smell of the air, the simple life and gorgeous weather. There seems to be a lot more that links Dany to the Greenblood and the Watergardens. If she was abducted from her real home by the Martells and sold to Viserys for the price of a crown/marriage pact though...
@@sophiemoconnell Abducted from where, though? And I think the fields can be explained by a manse and grounds owned by an incredibly wealthy individual with a penchant for knowing good cheese. Forests surround Bravos, and when forests are cleared, they can become grassy fields. The fresh air would be explained by this, though the gorgeous weather...
When does she actually comment on the weather, by the way? Totally forget!
Plus, what happened to Rhaella and her baby? Did they die? I feel like Viserys would have been old enough at the time of her pregnancy to remember whether or not she had a baby, where it went, and himself being taken away from mother and baby both.
Hey grayarea, i've noticed that a lot of GoT channels are dying and the views are becoming less, so we don't want this to happen to you, we want your opinions and thoughts about Bloodmoon when it comes, but we also want you to review other shows so you can keep uploading
I noticed that there is less game of thrones livestreams
@@nikolajurican8704 yes
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@@clkgtr12 Usually it was 2 or 3 livestreams every week .
@@GrayArea what about starting with stranger things s3?
Thank you for the work you put into these. I'm still having GOT withdrawal.
I STILL don't know what to do or watch on Sundays...
brown.sugar305 try Euphoria
You are not alone. Game of Thrones Anonymous (GoTA) has meetings every Wednesday and Sunday to help you cope during this difficult time. Hope to see you there *passes brochure*
39:16 Gods she's gorgeous.
Hopefully the showrunner of this new show will learn from the mistakes and flatout lack of concern that D and D showed at the end of GoT. It was so obvious they just couldnt give a damn and wanted to move on to bigger things...my prophecy is that they will never have anything as good as they had with GoT. But thats due to how they treated it more than anything.
Is anybody else just over here praying for a Dance of Dragons show? I'll watch this "longest night" thing but it seems like such a losing story when there's so much going on. I've been saying for years that the Dance would make a perfect show for a lot of reasons. It's more a more focused and encapsulated type of story with all the politics, social dynamics and historical callbacks that made GOT so great. And fire and blood has a perfect blueprint of it.
Btw I love all the references to fire and blood and the other books. Targaryen history is my favorite part of Westeros
It seems your dream became reality.
Did you like HOTD? Cause your dream came true
Okay here is a challenge for everyone. Name one female Targaryen that went mad.
Bet no one can. :3
Also: Rhaella was a dutiful woman. Quiet, sad, reserved.
I wonder who Daenerys is most like?
I wonder how Emilia Clarke will feel when the books are finally out.
Probably better
It would be neat if the lemon tree was reaction to Dani’s magic. Like she had Spring inside her and the magic flowed out and let that area alone become verdant. Probably not the answer but it would’ve been a cool foreshadowing if it was the case.
Melissa Schulz
Neat idea. Dany is ta'veren for sure.
That's an awesome idea.
Awesome, glad you posted the podcast here. Dany still my fav character just wish the show could have really showed us that and not do what they did in that short time frame. Anyway looking forward for the next episode. Thanks and good day!
"To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow."
Quaithe says she wants Dany to remember who she is, and that she is showing Dany the way. Why does everyone think who Dany is, is Fire and Blood? Why does everyone think Quaithes advice is merely geographical?
Who Dany really is, is the girl wanting to go home to the red door and the lemon tree. If this is what Quaithe wants from her and this is "Dany's way" the prophecy can be seen way differently. The first two about north, south, east and west are likely to be geographical but "to go forward you must go back," to me sounds like Quaithe saying if she wants to live she needs to go back to who she is. Back could be the red door. "To reach the light you must pass beneath the shadow" is also interesting. The light could easily be happiness, and passing beneath the shadow could be passing beneath a dragon, or what she believes is her destiny.
What if Quaithe is giving Daenerys advice to not seek the iron throne. She then warns not to trust any of the people who are coming her way and people she will encounter. "Beware the perfumed seneschal." This is what Quaithe ends her statement with in that scene. Why something so vague? Most Characters in the show are members of great houses. Most are probably perfumed. Is Quaithe maybe talking about Daenerys? Beware that version of herself? That destiny?
Pinhead jon snow got sucked into killing Dani, by the devious
Pinhead jon snow got sucked into killing Dani, by the devious
The perfumed seneschal is quite obvious, the ship that Tyrion and Mormont and Penny are on before they are captured by slavers is called the stinky steward, the fragrant steward, which is another way of saying perfumed seneschal. The warning is about all the people on the ship.
Thanks! I love Danny!!! I think the men are the ones who go mad! I think she was in Bravos. I been wondering if we’ll see Jon go crazy in the books.
FIRE AND BLOOD FOR LIFE🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
She wasn't mad she was broken after all her friends and advisors were being taken away from her in a cruel way. Cersei had put Wildfire all over the place.
When's part two of this and will you do more on Daenerys? And please, do more reference to the book too as you go through it.
Jon is evil to Daenerys. Daenerys risked her life and the lives of her dragons to save jon and company. She lost her child because of Jon. She risked her life and the lives of her children again to save Winterfell from the night king. Her armies made up most of the troops. Jon didnt give her the support she needed. If he had accepted her while she lost her armies, lost her child and lost her best friend.
What did you expect from a man who "knows nothing"? Lol
Well, to be fair, she had to go North and fight this war. It wasn't "Jon's war" - it was mankind's war. In the books, Dany has a natural aptitude for battle strategy, so I hope she would understand that had she not gone North to use her forces, the battle (against the living, not "the North") would have been far, far more difficult to win. Shit, Stannis is a far better ruler than her if he understands that he needs to fight for the kingdom before the kingdom will fight for him, but she doesn't. I don't know why people keep saying she went to "fight Jon's war". She wouldn't have a kingdom of people to love her if she didn't go North.
No she lost her child because she didn't believe and cared more about the throne than mankind.
#ISTANDWITHDAENERYS! I know in my heart that her story will not end with her burning King's Landing down and making that speech as the Queen of Ashes! The House with the red door may be in Dorne or Braavos!
Loved the show until the final season. What a garbage fire.
I love this podcast❤ Thank you guy's so much ,just taking out the time to do this for us shows the love you have for your channels and subscribers.❤
These videos are so hard to watch now that I know the nonsensical ending. It's heartbreaking to analyze the histories, when you know what a shit ending it turns out to be. D&D massacred my love affair with this saga and destroyed all my favorite characters. I can't even be excited about the prequel because literally what is the point? The Stark's are the Lannisters 2.0.. Dany's entire legacy is destroyed. Jon is a easy manipulated wussy. Jamie is the same a*hole he's always been. All the powerful women are reduced to begging messes. I am still in mourning.
Also, you guys are the best! I love this podcast because they're still my favorite books, no matter what people thought of the show. It's also nice to hear people really analyze and understand Daenerys (favorite character). Even a lot of book readers hate on her and her chapters. Personally they're my favourite in the book
I think the house with the red door IS in Braavos. When you consider that the sea lord had a penchant for collecting exotic floral and fauna it's not unreasonable for him to have created a lush environment for those things to survive in, including grass and foreign fruit bearing trees.
Also he was the one that signed the marriage pact for viserys, somewhat suggesting they were in fact in his custody
I could listen to Gray Area say 'the glass candles are burning' all day!
It’s mother juice time, this is lunch for me today thanks
Yup, 👊
This is hard knowing how GOT ended.......I can't do it anymore 🤷🏽♂️......✌🏾✌🏾
George will make it all okay in the end. He’s our Weirwood Tree!
Yea man that was a big hurt and let down.
I think The defiance of duskendale was the turning points in terms of pushing aerys over the edge as we know he was Bit kooky before this as u mention with this podcast a but no where near what we eventually had in the end
Love the podcast. Will be watching them now that I am over my "season 7 sucked" depression. Thanks for the work that you do!
And 8?
8
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Sadly they never got round to making an eighth season.
Thank you very much guys for this video! I still feel the pain cant believe what dumb and dumber did to Danys character! This was the worst character assassination in tv history!
Dany is my favourite Character! I just love how she became who she is after overcoming all the struggles when everyone who knew basically tried to kill her! she's more forgiving than any other character in Game of thrones. It was a shock horror to see how they character assassinated her character in the last episode. it didn't make any sense! none of the story made any sense! incoherence in the storyline was on another level.
When it comes to bravos I think its important to remember that bravos is not just the city of bravos but also a large swath of land and villages below it. Then consider that essos seems to be hotter than Westeros and I wouldn't be surprised if one could grow citrus in the south of bravos.
Will there ever be more of this? You wouldn't even need to do every chapter, just like the ones which matter in aspects of the ice and fire theme
You could concentrate on just Dany and The North - it would be awesome
Great way to spend lunch!
Thank you!
The Turquoise Dream
I hear with you
The last quote😭 brilliant work as always!
OMG... I didn't realize you and Quinn were doing these.... I saw this on Quinn's page and I wasn't sure what this was... This is awesome. Thanks for this.
I am the blood of the dragon. I am Daenerys Stormborn, Princess of Dragonstone, of the blood and seed of Aegon the Conqueror.
there is a lemon tree on the oficial map of Baavos
Is there? Wow. That settles it then (not being sarcastic by the way haha).
Have you ever suspected that Viserys had dragon dreams or heard voices with no one to explain it to him?
Renee Barger
That's an interesting question. I'm inclined to think he did and that they were partly responsible for his slide into insanity.
I mean, it's odd that he always says "Wake the dragon". The dragons aren't asleep. No one that we know of has been saying "The dragons are gone, and there are no Targaryens left to wake them". Though Dany *has* had a "dream"/"vision", most likely *sent* to her, that explicitly tells her to "wake the dragon, wake the dragon". I think it's highly likely Viserys was being influenced/manipulated.
It also could be that Drogo liked her look. He likes her because she was different.
And the consummation of their marriage in the books is not rape.
@@marywilcox3102 I do not feel that it was on the show either, but no one agrees with me.
@@tessdurberville711 It was conscious decision, one that did not need to be made.
Reading Danys 1st chapter, for the 1st time, it starts with cloth. (Cloth dragon anyone). Also that there’s a constant mention that Viserys is the last dragon. Viserys selling her to another. Danys name is always said as Stormborn, of The House Targaryen. She is never called Daenerys Targaryen. There are many clues over and over that she is NOT who you think she is....
Henry the 8th. He kept killing his wives. The Church wouldn't give him a divorce.
To be fair he only kill two of his wife, he divorce two, one die of childbirth and one outlive him.
And he didn't kill his wife because the church didn't want to give him the divorce.
He created the church of England so he could divorce his first wife.
The other two wife where kill because they were adulterous. But to Anna Bolena was kill because she didn't want to give a divorce so she was frame, Catherine Howard was kill for cheating on the king.
@@anaiglesias9972 Didn't only the last one outlive him?
@@williamst.romain7393
No. Anne of Cleves outlived him too. She tends to be written off as boring but she arguably did best out of the wives, going from sister of a German princeling to "Official Sister" of the King of England.
William St.Romain he killed two of his wives. Two of them he divorced, one (Edwards mother) died in childbirth and the other one outlived him
I'm not sure Viserys would be as bad a guy as Joffery if he was raised as a prince in King's Landing, since I think a lot of his craziness came from his upbringing but he still probably wouldn't have been a very good guy.
What's the art credit for the picture of Dany staring out the window? Don't see it on the description. It's really beautiful.
I love yall are doin this channel! Was worried when GOT ended;(rather badly i mite add), that we wouldnt be able to enjoy the amazing content yall always gave us. But we get to! And both of yall...at the same time! Thanks!!!
I agree the handling of the end of this series was a travesty but I got a feeling you two are going to be really disappointed with how the books are going to end as well
Why are you labouring the point about Elia? I'm sure everyone listening knows who Rhaegar loved. The appalling way Elia was treated by the Targaryens is (ah) appalling.
Quite prepared to believe Khal Drogo is another pawn of prophecy.
She was treated worst in the show. An annulment, really?! Just to legitimize Jon. I was appalled. I hate how rhaegar and lyanna were glorified.
Will you guys also use “The Ice Dragon” as a story that is referenced? Most channels don’t reference that short story at all, even though the story takes place during the Dance of Dragons.
Yes yes yes!
I was under the impression that The Ice Dragon was not in the same world.
Ice Dragon isn't apart of this universe..... GRRM said so.
Question: I think I've read a passage where King Aerys was described as "promising" in the books. It might be when Dany is asking Selmy about him (or it might be in AGOT). It describes him as promising and even kind, but as time went on, his behavior became more erratic. This passage worries for Dany, as she begins quite promising as well. As a big fan of her character, I'm worried Martin is going to take her down the Mad Targaryen route, almost to directly parallel Aerys. Do you have thoughts on this?
I don't think she'll be "mad" as in mentally ill like Aerys, but I do think she'll turn out to be very brutal and may eventually need to be killed.
She's always been equal parts terrifying and inspiring. With her last chapter in ADWD it seems she's taking a turn towards terrifying - what with embracing the dragon aspect over the benevolent mother one.
Gray Lady returns
she was in dorne signing that marriage pact
Timeline doesn't line up for them to be twins
"She's ripe"
If the Dothraki don't believe in money then how are they considered rich? Rich in recourses? Rich in gold, rich in gems? I never quite understood why they're portrayed as primitive in regards to money but then described as rich.
Mother of dragons forever
Who agrees to HBO to REMAKE SEASON 8!!!
Me
No reason to. Could they extend it on and on with extra detail, sure. But the major points are gonna be the same. The actors have been working on that show for so long. They need to be able to move on with their lives.
What happened to these videos? Are you guys done doing them??
Thank you GrayArea & Ideasoficeandfire for this video
Thank you GrayArea & Ideasoficeandfire for this video
The show Dany doesn't count as the real Daenerys in my headspace. The Stark bloodline is just as incestuous as the House Targaryen.
Awoooooo! New content!
You two are the best! Keep it up.
I will not invest in the new season. Over it.
Can’t wait for the next one !!
Perhaps there are fields of grass on the outskirts of the city, as it's forested. Once a forest is cleared, there *can* be grass.
I always got a " War of the Roses" and Tudor era vibes.
War of the 5 Kings is inspired from the War of the Roses, as per GRRM. House Lancaster= house Lannister. House of York= House Stark.
The whole series is based on The War of the Roses, not just WOT5K
@@GabrielPintoMusic totally agree, along with several other dynasties and a bit of Tolkien. Exploring some of GRRM. short stories... Much more Sci- cu, which makes me wonder about origins of Asshai ( sp). Esp in reference to the oiley black stones and ancient architecture. Things that make you go " humm"
Isn't Dany 2-3 years younger than Jon? so they couldn't be twins?
Super excited to see GrayArea this weekend in Nashville at ConOfThrones! Thank you for all you both do for the fandom!
Do a video giving your thoughts on the prequel?
Sweet Summer Juice!
Great way to start my adulting activities!!!!
Snap, crack, and burn; dragons. One thing I want to pull attention too, in this development in history (feudal and earlier), to become of age was to show outward signs of puberty
Does anyone think the last episode of Game of Thrones would have been better if after Drogon picked up Daenerys dead body he lowered his wing and Jon climbed on and left with them. It would have maybe gave a payoff to Jon being a Targaryen. I don’t like how the whole payoff to Jon being a Targaryen is to help Dany go mad...
I hate the idea of Jon taken Drogon at the end, he took pretty much everything else from dany, her identity her life and now drogon
@@donone352 agreed. I like Jon in the books. However, I grew to hate him and the other Starks in the show.
@@ellec6342 Dany completely proved herself to the starks when she saved winterfell and everyone from the night king. What did the Starks do, they betrayed her for no reason whatsoever, just to support jons claim a man who already bent the knee to Dany and has no desire for the throne
@@ellec6342 Dany will always be my queen, I too can't stand Jon or the starks
@@donone352 agreed. Dany is my one true queen and the only true dragon.
Perhaps they only took Daenerys because John had dark hair 🤔
Maybe. I do think there is more to the tower of joy than just jon. Ned is way too concern for Dany.
Jon and Dany are twins by Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark or Dany is the daughter of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne.
I love you two together. I could listen to you guys all day and frequently re watch videos I’ve already seen.
GreyArea speaks with a vocabulary I would use myself and I feel like I’m listening a bff that’s obsessed with something just as much as me ( like I can hear the smile in her voice when she says certain things and it’s so awesome) and gives off a super chill relatable vibe and then Quinn just comes in and sprinkles some razed dazzle with all these words and phrases about things that I couldn’t quit articulate or having trouble describing naturally on my own sometimes.
Would so love to hear you guys cover some topics you’ve done individually already together like this. If y’all feed this we’ll of each other on a pod cast I would love to see how you two entertain in a scripted video.
Both of y’all together and individually have helped open my whole third eye to ASOIAF. I went from “this is some cool period piece novel with dragons turned into a show” to “OH SHIT THIS BOOK IS BLOWING MY MIND and the show could never truly do the books real justice” 😆😆😆
I feel woke now to this shit. Thanks guys 🫡
Great video as ever. George does like his War of the Roses parallels, when you spoke about Dany "coming into blood" so to speak, you need to remember that back then they gave birth very young. The mother of Henry Tudor, Margaret Beaufort was just 14 years old when she gave birth to him. It was so horrific an experience that she was never able to have anymore children. Very troubling, but the truth often is, I suppose. 😔
Jorah being a slaver isn't something that changed from book to show. He admits to selling men into slavery in the show too. That was the reason why he fled Westeros and ended up in Essos in the first place.
I love your content, but when it comes do Daenerys and the Stark you guys are quite biased. Daenerys was like a slave? She stayed with Ilyrio, that supported the Targaryen cause. She is not sadistic? At least in the show it wasn’t a snap. She has been cruel and tyrannical many times, since the beginning. Qarth when they were outside the gates, Astapor, Mereen, Varys, the Tarlys... so many times...
Definitely Lianna. But I think Ellia was cool with it. Being Dornish and from a BETTER
society. Targaryens practiced polygamy.
Jon was definitely born Dorne because that's where the Tower of Joy was. As 4 Dany, the Sealord's Palace or Dorne, the lemon tree is an important clue!
Grey talking about Jorah: He's a slaver, and we do not like slavers.
Also Grey talking about Drogo: Bae!
I’m confused about the discussion about the port city Bravos and the citrus tree. I grew up in a port city and there’s citrus trees everywhere.
Guys i just figured out that dany John and egon r brothers
Lyana stark gave birth to twins one with silver hair and the other with dark hair so John was given to her brother and Danny to her brother in-law ....damn i cracked the code 😮🎉
Love your work!...❤️
I cant believe I only found this great channel, like ten days ago......AaarrrrrhH, Dam you-TH-cam
Girl, I am so thankful for this podcast. You are so talented and I try to follow you when I can.
Miss her...
I'm not forgetting but remember viserys wad like 6 when this happen. It's easy to say the trap artist is evil when u didn't have to live that life
Why can't I find your podcast on the Pocket Cast App? I would like to subscribe