I love the duality of Royce. is he a total jerk?Yes. Does he make the wrong call? yes.But hes not a coward, he is a true Knight. George is showing us right now that no one is all bad or all good right away. Such good writing
@@TheRoleplayer40k He's not a jerk at all. He's a conscientious Ranger determined to investigate a mystery despite the various attempts of his companions (motivated by fear) to discourage him.
@No name ok It's an intriguing mystery. Does the Royce family have some stronger connections to the Others and the Land beyond The Wall than we've yet been told about.
@nickyiil Just so. And despite his own death his ranging might still have been successful if only Gared had done his duty and reported back to Castle Black.
Another possibility is that the Other was cutting chunks out of his sword until it finally shattered. Their blade are described as impossibly thin and sharp, after all.
When you get to the later books, you know that there are multiple POV characters, and you know that the prologue character is going to die. But the first time you read A Game of Thrones, you spend the prologue wondering which of these guys is the protagonist. Then they all die.
With the destruction of season 8 on the shows, I am sure that more people will start to read the books and simply enjoy the brilliance of George's writing!
what about people like me? I'd love to read the whole thing... but the fact that my first language isn't English just makes it almost impossible for me to read them..i mean I'm trying to,but i have to use google translate nonstop, and sometimes i dont even find the real meaning!!!!
I was JUST starting to re-read the books in preparation for winds of winter and to rinse my brain of GOT series this is what I need, PLEASE MORE! PLEASEEEEE MORE
@@AcidTripOk or they take it as events instead of chapter by chapter... AFFC could be dealt at same time as ADWD with the boiled leather version, since it was meant to be read at same time with ADWD to make sens which makes that one specefic book special
Swine Rider totally worth it, my best advice is just take your time with it, and try your best to read it from a clean slate without thinking about the show
@@Stringer13ell even without WoW and Dream of Spring, ASOIAF is a must read for lovers of fantasy and politics and just generally brilliant writing. If George isn't able to finish the books, so be it. I'll be glad we got what we got. But I think we'll at least get WoW
It is implied and hinted that the others waited for them there and knew that someone is coming. It is also implied that Craster warned them (the others) before. They thought that Waymar Royce is "the last hero" or "azor ahai" and they've waited for him. That's why there are like 10 of them in there, they were afraid of his blade and that is why they halted(all of them halted, not just one, lightbringer is something else, and the one who wields it is a great swordman, they know the prophecy, most likely). And then, when they realized that he is not azor ahai or the last hero, they mocked him. It is pretty clear to notice.
i started re-reading book 1 after watching The Long Night, and i am reminded how the books are just so much more full-bodied than the show through and through. tv/film could never really do this story justice.
The way Martin describes The Others makes me thing they are in another existence plane. Like ghosts or something, because you might think they are made of ice, like in the show, but that is not the case, they are more like shadows / ectoplasm. Maybe something more like the original Balrog from the Tolkien's books, but with ice in this case.
This is amazingly well done. I watched this immediately following the Show finale. This was a great breath of fresh air, and cemented my choice to reread the books after the disaster of the final season of the show was. I also love the co-host for this, you play off of eachother very well. Thanks for this, I really needed it after the show.
The reason why I LOVE The Others in the books is because they feel like living, breathing beings, with an agenda and a motive behind what they're wanting to accomplish. And they've been doing it for millennia. They're not evil just to be evil like in the show... Because that's not how George writes his characters. I've always felt like The Others are a race of their own, they weren't created by the Children, they're their own just LIKE the children. It's kind of why I started disliking (now hating) the show right after they caught up with the books, the show started taking too many liberties that was just so unfit for the books, and just something I couldn't see George write on his own because it made no sense in his universe. Like MJ said in the video, they have a reason WHY they're doing what they're doing. And that "conflict" goes back millennia. To Azor Ahai himself most likely. The humans must have done something to piss them off for them to hold a grudge THIS LONG :P
Exactly what I always thought. They are the counterparts of the Children. The last Long Night did not destroy them it just pushed them back and built a magical wall to contain them. We're now again at a point in Westeros and Essos where magic is at its max (glass candles burn, dragons could hatch from stone eggs, R'hllor priests are more powerful than ever....). The next confrontation will be epic.
@@HH-cm5rp They're not killing all the wildlings though, they're more just herding them south. And they spare Sam too. And they're clearly intelligent as this chapter shows. I don't think they're mindless monsters at all in the books. Shame we'll never find out
Thank you for this! This is better than watching the show! Please make sure to cover up the entire books! I know it's a lot to ask, but I'd rather follow you for 20 years on these podcasts rather than watch 1-2 years of shit that is called Game of Trhones Dumb & Dumber version
Seriously, GOT season 5 was bad, 6 was awful, 7 was terrible, and season 8 is absolutely unwatchable. It’s like watching Star Wars Episodes VII and VIII.
Ser Waymar met him bravely. “Dance with me then.” He lifted his sword high over his head, defiant. His hands trembled from the weight of it, or perhaps from the cold. Yet in that moment, Will thought, he was a boy no longer, but a man of the Night’s Watch. The Other halted. Will saw its eyes; blue, deeper and bluer than any human eyes, a blue that burned like ice. They fixed on the longsword trembling on high, watched the moonlight running cold along the metal. For a heartbeat he dared to hope. They emerged silently from the shadows, twins to the first. Three of them . . . four . . . five . . . Ser Waymar may have felt the cold that came with them, but he never saw them, never heard them. Will had to call out. It was his duty. And his death, if he did. He shivered, and hugged the tree, and kept the silence. The pale sword came shivering through the air. Ser Waymar met it with steel. When the blades met, there was no ring of metal on metal; only a high, thin sound at the edge of hearing, like an animal screaming in pain. Royce checked a second blow, and a third, then fell back a step. Another flurry of blows, and he fell back again. Behind him, to right, to left, all around him, the watchers stood patient, faceless, silent, the shifting patterns of their delicate armor making them all but invisible in the wood. Yet they made no move to interfere.
Again and again the swords met, until Will wanted to cover his ears against the strange anguished keening of their clash. Ser Waymar was panting from the effort now, his breath steaming in the moonlight. His blade was white with frost; the Other’s danced with pale blue light. Then Royce’s parry came a beat too late. The pale sword bit through the ringmail beneath his arm. The young lord cried out in pain. Blood welled between the rings. It steamed in the cold, and the droplets seemed red as fire where they touched the snow. Ser Waymar’s fingers brushed his side. His moleskin glove came away soaked with red. The Other said something in a language that Will did not know; his voice was like the cracking of ice on a winter lake, and the words were mocking. Ser Waymar Royce found his fury. “For Robert!” he shouted, and he came up snarling, lifting the frost-covered longsword with both hands and swinging it around in a flat sidearm slash with all his weight behind it. The Other’s parry was almost lazy. When the blades touched, the steel shattered. When the blades touched, the steel shattered. A scream echoed through the forest night, and the longsword shivered into a hundred brittle pieces, the shards scattering like a rain of needles. Royce went to his knees, shrieking, and covered his eyes. Blood welled between his fingers. The watchers moved forward together, as if some signal had been given. Swords rose and fell, all in a deathly silence. It was cold butchery. The pale blades sliced through ringmail as if it were silk. Will closed his eyes. Far beneath him, he heard their voices and laughter sharp as icicles.
Hermitic principle... warmth and cold are the same in their natures but opposites in their degrees. The two are one. That is the true nature of dualism. George gets it.
Marat Yes. He was pointing out that it was very mysterious how the wildings had died (they had no visible wounds) so an investigation was needed. This was not what his companions wanted to hear because they sensed they were in great danger (I'm sure Ser Waymar sensed it too)
Thank you guys for giving me more of what this story is about an not whatever the writers did to the story in the show. I love all of the passion I'm the same way I read or listen to the audiobooks everyday so thankful you guys have given me another "ASOIAF" outlet.
I really like the book analysis you do. Ice and Fire is probably my favorite fantasy series. Have you read The Storm Light Archive at all? It's in my top 3 epic fantasy series of all time. Highly recommend it if you haven't. Brandon Sanderson is also amazing at world building.
No.. they’ve never seen Valyrian steel... The Others have been gone for thousands of years. When the walll went up there was only the first men and children in Westeros
I'm so glad you recognized the social bigotry of the feudal system. And I'm gonna disagree with you a bit. We see a conflict already from the prejudicial social system: birth > experience. Birth > Competence. Then the other's are introduced. We see them approaching and Royce draw his weapon first. See that there? THEN the other draw his sword and fights him. I swear do we ever see the White walkers actually attack someone? We hear the Wildings say they're being attacked, but that's POV Bias. Even the one that kills Paul is reacting in self defense. We think it's the others that attack the Night's Watch at the Fist of the First Men, but we never see them there. I think the Children of the Forest are *Little Finger-ing* the humans and the Others.
Holy Sh**!!! I was planning a full ASOIAF re-read when Mr. RR Martin set up a release day for Winds of Winter, but I guess with those now to come insane chapter-to-chapter podcasts, I'll have to hurry!! We all know it's kinda of a hard work Quinn, but this is gonna be THE REFERENCE in terms of ASOIAF podcast material! Wish you luck on this new playlist!
The TV show is a testament to just how good GRRM made his story and the world in which it exists. The departure from the books has led to the departure from the same caliber of character and plot development as was seen early on. WELL DONE, I Shall start my read through a couple of weeks earlier. SO EXCITED!!
Well, if you think that the others look like "icy" Targaryens, then the show's WW are looking just like them. Aquline nose, lean, gaunt, tall. That's how the targaryens/Valyrian descent are described in the books.
I find it interesting that he screams "For Robert", no one will ever scream that again, because he dies before any battle, but also because at this part the kingdoms are united and he fights for the king of weteros, after some time people scream "for the vale", "for harrenhal" or "for the north" because the kingdom is fractured and loyalties divided
Thanks for starting this. I have hope that many people will flock to the books once the show is over. I myself haven't read them and plan to do that. It will be nice to read it all from the start without any hurry (because A - there will already be a feeling of conclusion from the show and B - Martin isn't gonna release anything this soon). Your passion for this series inspires me.
Yay! This is sooo cool. And, as stated below, it's going to be salve to ease the ache in my heart and head after the trashcan fire we saw over the last 3 seasons. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication! We need you :)
This podcast acts as a soothing salve on the wounds endured during the great disappointment that was the latter half of GoT. A flaming sword in the darkness.
Rather than the way they were portrayed in the show, I always pictured them as moving ice sculptures. Literally mirror images of humans, but made of ice. And in my eyes their culture also reflects this. Their emotions are stone cold and lack any warmth. When they laugh at Royce, they mock him. They feel no empathy towards him, but feed of his mounting terror. They are purely driven by their hate for humanity. They are calculating beings that waste no time with love or friendship and are extremely methodical and efficient in all they do. They are what humans would devolve into if they let go of all emotion. The name “the Others” perfectly reflects this relationship with humanity. Honestly, I wish they were portrayed more like Mr. Freeze was in the comics. A man who was disillusioned by life and hates the world of the living. The way the Others are portrayed as simply “ice monsters” in the show does them a great disservice as an antagonist.
For some reason, the mentioning of Memory, Sorrow and Thorn in your video is what convinced me to finally pick the first book up. I’m about 100 pages in. I look forward to taking this journey as well as going along with this ASOIAF podcast on the side as a slow reread. Awesome work. Love this channel.
I hope you guys do keep doing this for a lot of chapters, this is great. You both have great ideas and play off each other well. Both of you have so much passion for the books and makes me even more excited about them :D
Thank you! My only complaint is that I want more chapters more often! After watching the show this is such a balm to the soul and can’t wait for the next installment!
This is soo cool! I love the "rereading" video series by Gemma from Secrets of the Citadel, and the two of you add fantastic insights as well. It's particularly well-timed since I started to relisten to the audio books two months ago and am just about 30% into book 2, so book 1 is still pretty fresh on my mind.
I wish you the best in this endeavor. This is needed for many fans who are disappointed in the show but can't find the chance to read themselves, as well as people who are finding re-reads difficult. Will be tuning in weekly!
Thank you guys for doing this! I'm just starting to read thethe first book tonight. I've always had a hard time reading but I fell in love with the world of ASOIAF through Game of Thrones and had to get into the books after the show ended. I really appreciate you guys putting this podcast together for people like me :)
The definitive version of the story !!! thanks so much. I think the best thing to do is to get the TV show over with, wait for all the books to be released and then plug myself into an audio book binge because if you leave it years in between books with complex stories such as this you forget ! Still will love these shows and will listen to all of them. Thanks. Although I actually like the comparisons you are doing with the book and the show.
Just a few minutes into this podcast and I'm already loving it! Both of y'all have great things to say and play off each other really well. Looking forward to more!
For my money, that 'ghost-light' around the Others' weapons is most likely inspired by the 'pale light' emanating from the Morgul-blade wielded by The Witch King in L.R. On topic, it would be the damnedest thing if the Other's Other, the fire deity od the Red Priests, turns out to be a real villain.
Thank you! This podcast episode was like balm after the last got episodes (well, seasons to be honest). I'll be looking forward to the next installment.
Excellent! And I will listen again to this episode when I am not already very tired. But I had to have something book related to listen to after season eight, episode five.
I REALLY LOVED THIS!!! I will re-read the books following the chapters you comment, i've wanted to read them again for a while now but this made me get to it. Great podcast, I hope this turns into a series
I wasnt able to find this playlist on your channel so I made my own. Im re reading the books so looking forward to the next chapters. Thank you so much.
Thanks for doing this! I hope you continue so I can continue enjoying your content! I don’t have time to re-read with you, but I can keep you on while I do my work which is good enough for me!
Outstanding storytelling and insight as well as a very compelling podcast ! Congrats for the artistic presentation ! Looking forward to more chapters !
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This is what my asoiaf fan heart needs to heal from the show.
The books are all we have now.
What show?
SAME HERE!!! Season 8 has been such a Production Train Wreck!!
Dumb & Dumber should be sued for this BS that THEY CUT SHORT THEN RUSHED :/!
@@Gurknuckles MY MAN!!! XD LOL
@@Gurknuckles I came to say exactly that.
"And like most lordlings, Ser Waymar was a total jerk." Concise but accurate lol.
I love the duality of Royce. is he a total jerk?Yes. Does he make the wrong call? yes.But hes not a coward, he is a true Knight. George is showing us right now that no one is all bad or all good right away. Such good writing
Couldn't have said it better, my lord.
@@TheRoleplayer40k
He's not a jerk at all. He's a conscientious Ranger determined to investigate a mystery despite the various attempts of his companions (motivated by fear) to discourage him.
@No name ok
It's an intriguing mystery. Does the Royce family have some stronger connections to the Others and the Land beyond The Wall than we've yet been told about.
@nickyiil
Just so. And despite his own death his ranging might still have been successful if only Gared had done his duty and reported back to Castle Black.
I felt the sword shattered because after hitting the others blade enough, the sword got so cold it became really brittle, so finally shattered
Oh that makes a lot of sense
Another possibility is that the Other was cutting chunks out of his sword until it finally shattered. Their blade are described as impossibly thin and sharp, after all.
I personally choose to believe that it is the result of both.
Wow, cool idea
the sound the blade made while shattering suggests to me it was vibrating at an ultra high frequency and therefore shattered.
When you get to the later books, you know that there are multiple POV characters, and you know that the prologue character is going to die.
But the first time you read A Game of Thrones, you spend the prologue wondering which of these guys is the protagonist. Then they all die.
So sweet
Ashley Rogers
Strictly only two of them die in this chapter.
@@alanpennie8013 Still dies later though 😟
With the destruction of season 8 on the shows, I am sure that more people will start to read the books and simply enjoy the brilliance of George's writing!
You underestimate how lazy people are, the casual fans who love the show no matter how garbage it becomes will never attempt it. This is it for them.
I started reading the books after finishing episode 4 of s8, I need to know the end GRRM envisioned and not the end D&D are gonna give us
what about people like me? I'd love to read the whole thing... but the fact that my first language isn't English just makes it almost impossible for me to read them..i mean I'm trying to,but i have to use google translate nonstop, and sometimes i dont even find the real meaning!!!!
@@m.roshan6387 I'm pretty certain audio books exist in multi language
@@m.roshan6387 Buy the books in your local bookshop?
thanks man, my life have meaning again, I literally have no one to talk about ASOIAF, hello from Brazil and thank you!!!
You should check the forums at awoiaf. westeros. org
Carlos Henrique que absurdo cara
@@khaelstorm2552 ?
Carlos Henrique Hi from London UK
Same here!👍
I was JUST starting to re-read the books in preparation for winds of winter and to rinse my brain of GOT series
this is what I need, PLEASE MORE! PLEASEEEEE MORE
Awesome, are you guys seriously gonna do every chapter? That’s a pretty massive undertaking.
Plenty of material! He could be doing it successfully for years. 😊
I think they will. It will be cool to reread the chapters with this podcast every week.
I would love that
344 chapters. A year has 52 weeks. That's more than 6 and a half years of podcasts!
@@AcidTripOk or they take it as events instead of chapter by chapter... AFFC could be dealt at same time as ADWD with the boiled leather version, since it was meant to be read at same time with ADWD to make sens which makes that one specefic book special
Two of my favourite ASOIAF TH-camrs! A match made in Valyria
yeah just not between Targaryens LOL XD!
Incestuous?
I just ordered my books to start reading the real story of ASOIAF and I´m looking forward to listening to your podcast while exploring the books
A wise decision indeed
Swine Rider totally worth it, my best advice is just take your time with it, and try your best to read it from a clean slate without thinking about the show
You will not be disappointed.
@@Welsh_Dragon756 He will be when it doesn't end
@@Stringer13ell even without WoW and Dream of Spring, ASOIAF is a must read for lovers of fantasy and politics and just generally brilliant writing. If George isn't able to finish the books, so be it. I'll be glad we got what we got. But I think we'll at least get WoW
Yessssss!!!!!!
Why did Quinn quit the podcast? I love it still but y’all were a dream team for real
It is implied and hinted that the others waited for them there and knew that someone is coming. It is also implied that Craster warned them (the others) before. They thought that Waymar Royce is "the last hero" or "azor ahai" and they've waited for him. That's why there are like 10 of them in there, they were afraid of his blade and that is why they halted(all of them halted, not just one, lightbringer is something else, and the one who wields it is a great swordman, they know the prophecy, most likely). And then, when they realized that he is not azor ahai or the last hero, they mocked him.
It is pretty clear to notice.
i started re-reading book 1 after watching The Long Night, and i am reminded how the books are just so much more full-bodied than the show through and through. tv/film could never really do this story justice.
The way Martin describes The Others makes me thing they are in another existence plane. Like ghosts or something, because you might think they are made of ice, like in the show, but that is not the case, they are more like shadows / ectoplasm. Maybe something more like the original Balrog from the Tolkien's books, but with ice in this case.
The best introductory chapter I've ever read. You're instantly drawn in. I hope George finishes the series.
Two of my favs holding us down in these dark times. Thanks IOIAF and Gray
This is amazingly well done. I watched this immediately following the Show finale. This was a great breath of fresh air, and cemented my choice to reread the books after the disaster of the final season of the show was. I also love the co-host for this, you play off of eachother very well. Thanks for this, I really needed it after the show.
The reason why I LOVE The Others in the books is because they feel like living, breathing beings, with an agenda and a motive behind what they're wanting to accomplish. And they've been doing it for millennia. They're not evil just to be evil like in the show... Because that's not how George writes his characters. I've always felt like The Others are a race of their own, they weren't created by the Children, they're their own just LIKE the children. It's kind of why I started disliking (now hating) the show right after they caught up with the books, the show started taking too many liberties that was just so unfit for the books, and just something I couldn't see George write on his own because it made no sense in his universe.
Like MJ said in the video, they have a reason WHY they're doing what they're doing. And that "conflict" goes back millennia. To Azor Ahai himself most likely. The humans must have done something to piss them off for them to hold a grudge THIS LONG :P
Book others are clearly appaling and mysterious. Like man their laugh, their swords, their slender beauty ...
Exactly what I always thought. They are the counterparts of the Children. The last Long Night did not destroy them it just pushed them back and built a magical wall to contain them. We're now again at a point in Westeros and Essos where magic is at its max (glass candles burn, dragons could hatch from stone eggs, R'hllor priests are more powerful than ever....). The next confrontation will be epic.
@@HH-cm5rp They're not killing all the wildlings though, they're more just herding them south. And they spare Sam too. And they're clearly intelligent as this chapter shows. I don't think they're mindless monsters at all in the books. Shame we'll never find out
Agreed, except I feel like the Children creating them makes sense. That's all I disagree with here, though haha.
Thank you for this! This is better than watching the show! Please make sure to cover up the entire books! I know it's a lot to ask, but I'd rather follow you for 20 years on these podcasts rather than watch 1-2 years of shit that is called Game of Trhones Dumb & Dumber version
Thank you ☺️
Of course!!!
Seriously, GOT season 5 was bad, 6 was awful, 7 was terrible, and season 8 is absolutely unwatchable. It’s like watching Star Wars Episodes VII and VIII.
I concur
@@ttrestle It's even worse then Episode VII and VIII which is saying quite a lot.
You two are the best intellects speaking on ASoIaF - in my opinion. I'm so loving this. Please continue on!
Same here, I'm subbed to BOTH, and have been for at least a few years now :)!!!
Who is she because I don't see her name or link anywhere
Her Twitter account is up in the comments, MJ runs the TH-cam channel GreyArea.
I've been so starved for good GoT content since season 7. Thank you so much.
Your videos bring back the magic that the show left behind years ago.
I've been since season 5
Ser Waymar met him bravely. “Dance with me then.” He lifted his sword high over his
head, defiant. His hands trembled from the weight of it, or perhaps from the cold. Yet in that moment, Will thought, he was a boy no longer, but a man of the Night’s Watch. The Other halted. Will saw its eyes; blue, deeper and bluer than any human eyes, a blue that burned like ice. They fixed on the longsword trembling on high, watched the moonlight running cold along the metal. For a heartbeat he dared to hope.
They emerged silently from the shadows, twins to the first. Three of
them . . . four . . . five . . . Ser Waymar may have felt the cold that came with them, but he never saw them, never heard them. Will had to call out. It was his duty. And his death, if he did. He shivered, and hugged the tree, and kept the silence. The pale sword came shivering through the air.
Ser Waymar met it with steel. When the blades met, there was no ring of metal on metal;
only a high, thin sound at the edge of hearing, like an animal screaming in pain. Royce checked a second blow, and a third, then fell back a step. Another flurry of blows, and he fell back again.
Behind him, to right, to left, all around him, the watchers stood patient, faceless, silent, the shifting patterns of their delicate armor making them all but invisible in the wood.
Yet they made no move to interfere.
Again and again the swords met, until Will wanted to cover his ears against the strange anguished keening of their clash. Ser Waymar was panting from the effort now, his breath steaming in the moonlight. His blade was white with frost; the Other’s danced with pale blue light.
Then Royce’s parry came a beat too late. The pale sword bit through the ringmail
beneath his arm. The young lord cried out in pain. Blood welled between the rings. It steamed in the cold, and the droplets seemed red as fire where they touched the snow. Ser Waymar’s fingers brushed his side. His moleskin glove came away soaked with red.
The Other said something in a language that Will did not know; his voice was like the
cracking of ice on a winter lake, and the words were mocking.
Ser Waymar Royce found his fury. “For Robert!” he shouted, and he came up snarling, lifting the frost-covered longsword with both hands and swinging it around in a flat sidearm slash with all his weight behind it. The Other’s parry was almost lazy. When the blades touched, the steel shattered.
When the blades touched, the steel shattered.
A scream echoed through the forest night, and the longsword shivered into a hundred
brittle pieces, the shards scattering like a rain of needles. Royce went to his knees, shrieking, and covered his eyes. Blood welled between his fingers. The watchers moved forward together, as if some signal had been given. Swords rose and fell, all in a deathly silence. It was cold butchery. The pale blades sliced through ringmail as if it were silk. Will closed his eyes. Far beneath him, he heard their voices and laughter sharp as icicles.
Looking forward to this helluva lot more than the show itself! Thanks so much!
So, one could say that this prologue chapter was a fiery cold open to the series.
Great podcast! Keep it up :)
This is the juice I crave. Thank you for being the shields that guard the realm of book readers through the long night.
Hermitic principle... warmth and cold are the same in their natures but opposites in their degrees. The two are one. That is the true nature of dualism. George gets it.
Too bad d+d didn't
Grey you deserve a peace prize for this nice quiet area. 💜🤓
This podcast is already hype af
Waymar Royce is a badass. And even though he's arrogant, he's smart too, when he pointed out that the wildlings couldn't have died from cold.
Yeah and you could argue he was being arrogant because he wanted to show the other nights watchmen he wasn't afraid and didn't want them to panic.
that's like common sense
Marat
Yes. He was pointing out that it was very mysterious how the wildings had died (they had no visible wounds) so an investigation was needed. This was not what his companions wanted to hear because they sensed they were in great danger (I'm sure Ser Waymar sensed it too)
Just getting into this and this is by far the best explanation of the books I have encountered. Very good. 🍻
Thank you guys for giving me more of what this story is about an not whatever the writers did to the story in the show. I love all of the passion I'm the same way I read or listen to the audiobooks everyday so thankful you guys have given me another "ASOIAF" outlet.
Love you two together! This made my Mother’s Day. ❤️
What a time to be alive. I'm going to follow this series closely
interesting to note that ser waymar royce has some kind of "stark look" and maybe persons that look was what the white walkers were looking for.
I really like the book analysis you do. Ice and Fire is probably my favorite fantasy series. Have you read The Storm Light Archive at all? It's in my top 3 epic fantasy series of all time. Highly recommend it if you haven't. Brandon Sanderson is also amazing at world building.
Feels like The Other pauses because he raises a fancy sword and he thinks on if it’s Valerian Steel.
No.. they’ve never seen Valyrian steel... The Others have been gone for thousands of years. When the walll went up there was only the first men and children in Westeros
Or what if they thought it was the sword of Azor "fooking" Ahai?!....
Love re-read podcasts! Stunning visuals. Really good meeting of the minds, love both your channels!
This is seriously amazing! I love it! I am so excited that you are doing every chapter! I have listened to this one about 3 times already!!!!
I'm so glad you recognized the social bigotry of the feudal system.
And I'm gonna disagree with you a bit. We see a conflict already from the prejudicial social system:
birth > experience. Birth > Competence.
Then the other's are introduced. We see them approaching and Royce draw his weapon first. See that there? THEN the other draw his sword and fights him. I swear do we ever see the White walkers actually attack someone? We hear the Wildings say they're being attacked, but that's POV Bias.
Even the one that kills Paul is reacting in self defense. We think it's the others that attack the Night's Watch at the Fist of the First Men, but we never see them there.
I think the Children of the Forest are *Little Finger-ing* the humans and the Others.
Looks like a perfect time to start reading the books. I'll read along and then tune in to this podcast for some discussion!
This is excellent for writers like myself who would like to write something of the same scope as ASOIAF.
Holy Sh**!!! I was planning a full ASOIAF re-read when Mr. RR Martin set up a release day for Winds of Winter, but I guess with those now to come insane chapter-to-chapter podcasts, I'll have to hurry!! We all know it's kinda of a hard work Quinn, but this is gonna be THE REFERENCE in terms of ASOIAF podcast material! Wish you luck on this new playlist!
The TV show is a testament to just how good GRRM made his story and the world in which it exists. The departure from the books has led to the departure from the same caliber of character and plot development as was seen early on. WELL DONE, I Shall start my read through a couple of weeks earlier. SO EXCITED!!
Awesome, I really liked this vid, keep 'em coming!!!
I'll definitely reread each chapter with this podcast every week. Great job guys
Well, if you think that the others look like "icy" Targaryens, then the show's WW are looking just like them. Aquline nose, lean, gaunt, tall. That's how the targaryens/Valyrian descent are described in the books.
They're also described as unnaturally beautiful...
I find it interesting that he screams "For Robert", no one will ever scream that again, because he dies before any battle, but also because at this part the kingdoms are united and he fights for the king of weteros, after some time people scream "for the vale", "for harrenhal" or "for the north" because the kingdom is fractured and loyalties divided
Oh you badasses.
GrayArea & IdeasOfIce&Fire Delivering again!
Thanks for starting this. I have hope that many people will flock to the books once the show is over. I myself haven't read them and plan to do that. It will be nice to read it all from the start without any hurry (because A - there will already be a feeling of conclusion from the show and B - Martin isn't gonna release anything this soon).
Your passion for this series inspires me.
Roger França the books are far superior to the series, even at its best!
Yay! This is sooo cool. And, as stated below, it's going to be salve to ease the ache in my heart and head after the trashcan fire we saw over the last 3 seasons. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication! We need you :)
Thank you both so much for such an intelligent and engaging video. I'm loving this new Obsidian Nights podcast series!!
I wasn't sure about the books cos iv never been a big reader ,,then I read this prologue and the rest is history absolutely brilliant
So fucking good, would love to see the whole series covered this way, if that's even possible
Unfortunately, it isn't. The book series is way too long.
@@filipferencak2717 i know yes, I've been meaning to reread them and this would be a great supplement
This podcast acts as a soothing salve on the wounds endured during the great disappointment that was the latter half of GoT.
A flaming sword in the darkness.
Never clicked so fast.
Rather than the way they were portrayed in the show, I always pictured them as moving ice sculptures. Literally mirror images of humans, but made of ice. And in my eyes their culture also reflects this. Their emotions are stone cold and lack any warmth. When they laugh at Royce, they mock him. They feel no empathy towards him, but feed of his mounting terror. They are purely driven by their hate for humanity. They are calculating beings that waste no time with love or friendship and are extremely methodical and efficient in all they do. They are what humans would devolve into if they let go of all emotion. The name “the Others” perfectly reflects this relationship with humanity.
Honestly, I wish they were portrayed more like Mr. Freeze was in the comics. A man who was disillusioned by life and hates the world of the living. The way the Others are portrayed as simply “ice monsters” in the show does them a great disservice as an antagonist.
Don’t know about your comics but yeah they aren’t described to look like zombies, but the manifestation of ice- beautiful in a way.
Oh man I’m with you guys all the way with this podcast. After the show gave me pink eye this is absolutely amazing.
For some reason, the mentioning of Memory, Sorrow and Thorn in your video is what convinced me to finally pick the first book up. I’m about 100 pages in. I look forward to taking this journey as well as going along with this ASOIAF podcast on the side as a slow reread. Awesome work. Love this channel.
“What is darkness without light?” How TRUE!!!!!
Thank you so much, I've always wanted to read ASOIAF but never had the time to. Now I can with this podcast.
Nice!thank you both of you, we need this, we need your sweet voices to put our heart back in the right place!
I hope you guys do keep doing this for a lot of chapters, this is great. You both have great ideas and play off each other well. Both of you have so much passion for the books and makes me even more excited about them :D
AMAZING FANTASTIC SUPERB!!! cant wait for more. Well done both of you. Thank you thank you!!
The 2 of you together.....oh my old Gods and the new!!!
This is the highlight of my day!! Thank you so much for doing this and a podcast from you specifically is just the best thing ever
im loving this podcast! good job guys im hoping yall doing every chapter
Here for Gray Area because shes f**king great!!💐 And also to heal my broken heart after last night's episode of GOT😩
Thank you! My only complaint is that I want more chapters more often! After watching the show this is such a balm to the soul and can’t wait for the next installment!
Love this! Two of my favorites together giving us great content! So excited about this new series!! Keep 'em coming!!
This is soo cool! I love the "rereading" video series by Gemma from Secrets of the Citadel, and the two of you add fantastic insights as well. It's particularly well-timed since I started to relisten to the audio books two months ago and am just about 30% into book 2, so book 1 is still pretty fresh on my mind.
Oh wow this is the ASOIAF podcast I have always wanted and didn't know it. I hope you do the whole series like this.
Wow. This is awesome. I loved every minute of it. Can't wait for the next one. The graphics were great too. Nice job guys! You're the best.
I wish you the best in this endeavor. This is needed for many fans who are disappointed in the show but can't find the chance to read themselves, as well as people who are finding re-reads difficult. Will be tuning in weekly!
Thank you guys for doing this! I'm just starting to read thethe first book tonight. I've always had a hard time reading but I fell in love with the world of ASOIAF through Game of Thrones and had to get into the books after the show ended. I really appreciate you guys putting this podcast together for people like me :)
This is so incredibly awesome. What an effort, worthy of this incredible story. Thank you!
The definitive version of the story !!! thanks so much. I think the best thing to do is to get the TV show over with, wait for all the books to be released and then plug myself into an audio book binge because if you leave it years in between books with complex stories such as this you forget ! Still will love these shows and will listen to all of them. Thanks. Although I actually like the comparisons you are doing with the book and the show.
Just a few minutes into this podcast and I'm already loving it! Both of y'all have great things to say and play off each other really well. Looking forward to more!
For my money, that 'ghost-light' around the Others' weapons is most likely inspired by the 'pale light' emanating from the Morgul-blade wielded by The Witch King in L.R.
On topic, it would be the damnedest thing if the Other's Other, the fire deity od the Red Priests, turns out to be a real villain.
Do not, absolutely do not abandon this!!
Thank you! This podcast episode was like balm after the last got episodes (well, seasons to be honest). I'll be looking forward to the next installment.
Excellent! And I will listen again to this episode when I am not already very tired. But I had to have something book related to listen to after season eight, episode five.
I feel your pain
This looks fucking great, I hope you carry on with this series.
Awesome!!! Can’t wait for more to come!! You guys are great!
Dude I gotta say you guys kill this if you guys would read the entire book like this I would listen
Love it! Glad the show is finally over. I loved it all the way through season 7. The scales have been lifted from my eyes.
This is great! Cant wait to hear your analysis of Jon’s first chapter, it’s one of my personal favourites!
Bless the two of you! Bless you both!
Perfect I just finally bought the books and just passed the first few chapters this is perfect timing!! 🙏🏻😎
ugh my two favs coming together... your MINDS
Holy schitt this is going to be awesome.
Especially when the next book comes out.
Thank you both. Wonderful podcast.
Great Podcast. Just what we needed right now. Great job.
I REALLY LOVED THIS!!!
I will re-read the books following the chapters you comment, i've wanted to read them again for a while now but this made me get to it.
Great podcast, I hope this turns into a series
I wasnt able to find this playlist on your channel so I made my own. Im re reading the books so looking forward to the next chapters. Thank you so much.
A Dance with Dragons' prologue is my favorite. I think it's narrative purpose is similar to this one in terms of world building.
shame they didn't hire you to write season 8.. -.-
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Why would it be a joke? People who did wrote season 8 seem like mentally challenged people. Them 2 would do much better job.
Thanks for doing this! I hope you continue so I can continue enjoying your content! I don’t have time to re-read with you, but I can keep you on while I do my work which is good enough for me!
Outstanding storytelling and insight as well as a very compelling podcast ! Congrats for the artistic presentation ! Looking forward to more chapters !
Looove how you guys are reading this...!! Yay!
This will unironically be better than the actual show. Seriously. Calling it right now.