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- Game of Thrones is over, But the Obsidian Nights Podcast is here to Analyze each chapter of The A Song of Ice and Fire and experience the story thru a different lens! In Todays video we are in Pentos for Daenerys's wedding! This is the start of Daenerys entire journey thru A Game of Thrones and really Daenerys Targaryen's entire story, especialy the lead up to the Birth of Dragons! From Dragon Dreams, To Daenerys's Wedding Gifts, Dothraki Culture and all the in-between I present you Obsidian Nights Podcast Episode 12 Daenerys 2 A Game of Thrones, I am Blood of the Dragon. Thanks for watching!
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Agreed about Dany! A dragon is not a slave! Use your power or be ruled by those who are raping and pillaging.
My wife is about too get the long D too help her with these long nights that are dark and filled with terror.
I wish people would normalize calling Daenerys a conqueror instead of "mad".
Wait but if we don't call the woman a word associated with cruelty and Slaughter how can we justify our bias towards the men who do cruelty and Slaughter?
"Conqueror"? Just another word people keep repeating as if it's supposed to mean something. What they call a thought-terminating cliché. Tells us nothing of substance
It’s pretty clear she’s a conqueror. Even show Daario got this right!
Lisa Cook I agree it’s a better option than the mad queen. And she is a conqueror, her house was built by one as well. It defines her power to me, which she clearly has!
@@wisdommanari6701 I don't think she is mad. I think she is unexperirienced and uneducated at that point. Viserys told her lies and half-truths for her whole life. She just knows one side of the story. She has the right intentions, but executes it in a totally wrong way.
Her act in Astapor doesn't mean she was mad. She was incredibly furious. She was a slave by her own. She obviously hated it. And I think that due her own horrible experience she couldn't handle seeing slaves anymore.
She also doesn't understand that the ones who own slaves etc. don't know differently. She needs to learn this stuff. So yeah I am not trying to justify her actions here, I am just stating that I don't think she is mad. Cersei is mad. She wouldn't mind slaughtering innocents. Dany doesn't want to kill innocents, but she doesn't realise that she very likely did...
I'm here for Mama Gray and the one true Queen, Daenerys Targaryen. #IStandWithDaenerys
Considering all the evidence lately that The Dragon Demands has gathered, I feel it's pretty much 100% confirmed that Dany isn't going to purposely reduce King's Landing to ash. In fact from the initial scripts and concept art it pretty much confirmed the dragon fire was going to spread and accidentally ignite a bunch of wildfire. And considering this is where a lot of book foreshadowing is pointing towards, I'm inclined to believe that someone will ignite the wildfire - accidentally or purposefully - and Dany will be blamed for it. Also considering the type of people D&D are, if "Mad Queen Daenerys" was going to happen in the books, they'd most likely say it to try to get blame off of themselves, and yet even Emilia never heard those words, in fact they completely tricked her so she didn't even know the full extent of Dany's "turn" until the night the episode premiered. Daenerys may get darker, but she will never be mad or purposely kill civilians for no reason.
Yeah, that shit that TDD put together was insane to hear about.
It is known
The Daenerys who goes among the sick to be strong for her dying people can’t be the same that burns people who surrender - George is going to have make that make hella sense! The Red Keep sure, the whole city? Nah
Lisa Rodriguez only way she’s flaming the whole city is if it’s running rampant with white walkers
GrayArea exactly it’s the only way it would make sense! To defeat a threat! Not burn innocents.
I think that the dragons she hatched will be stolen and burn Kings Landing with Aegon Blackfyre and probably Cersei Lannister in a dragon fight. Daenerys's destiny is in the Trident. She will, however, burn Volantis in WoW. Mark my words on that one.
@@sleekoduck what makes you say that? I love theories! Spill!😉
@@roddo1955 " Lucifer means Lightbringer " and "Quinn's ideas" have an amazing prediction about this. Just type in "Burning Volantis"
I don’t think Daenerys is experiencing any paranoia in the second chapter to be afraid of becoming the dragon. I think she doesn’t understand it.
She has pride in the dragon and learning to harness that strength. Which is what she truly gains here, not power. Power isn’t the theme. It’s strength. Being a victim and finding strength. Therefore gaining power. Power you need to use to change those things you were forced to accept.
I agree that the show made the right decision to show Dany and Drogo's consummation to be explicitly rape. Like you said, in the books Dany's first time is more cohersion than violent, explicit rape, but everytime after that first time - up until Dany's dragon dream and decision to sexually take lead - was a violent rape. It's a huge part on why Dany was becoming suicidal, especially considering the pain she was put in from that, combined with the pain from the horse riding. I mean even consensual sex would probably be pure hell with saddle sores, so yeah, Dany was physically and mentally in horrible pain.
You have to remember that to a horse culture, one way to break in and understand a horse is through touch and voice. Compared to how the culture normally treated conquered women , this was still a better way. Yes, it had to happen...but this was MUCH better than what Bolron did later. This is a marriage of cultures so it won't look like what we are used to. Notice how the relationship changes later. I think her taking down his hair shows his willingness to be vulnerable to HER which was probably NOT in their culture.
Lol, i love Dany and really dislike Sansa, but one parallel i saw between them is how they both learn from their abusers. People always talk about how Sansa learns from Cercei and Littlefinger, but as you said Danny also takes on a part of Drogo. And the way she is always so observant, picking up all the little clues and learns to read people is so spot on, typical for the behavior of children who live in unsafe / abusive environments.
This is definitely a parallel, but it's definitely not limited to them. Arya also learns from her abusers, for instance, and I'm sure there are a lot of other cases.
Hyper vigilance... definitely a Dany trait. Traumatized, since childhood...not so with Sansa or Arya etc.
I love both. Dany and Sansa
Not to mention what she learned from Vicerys, Dragons eat cooked meat and siege tactics. I hate how the show removed the few positive influences Vicerys had on her life.
Her storyline is literally BLOOD then FIRE
I just love your perspective as a woman who really understands this series. GOT is just such a male driven fandom and its great to have you involved.
A part of me died when the show ended, but listening to your new GoT content is bringing me back TO LIFE! Thank you!
I don't buy Dany burning down KL without GRRM giving serious explanations: my question is WHY would she want to be Queen of Ashes - if the people are all dead, there is no kingdom left to rule. Thoughts?
I don't see how anyone can read the books and come to the conclusion that show!Dany's choices will be the same as book!Dany's. They are completely different characters. Not only that, but isn't it obvious that the person who will be triggered by bells into massacring a city is Jon Connington? I know this is jumping ahead to the fifth book, but that character is traumatized by bells due to his loss at the Battle of the Bells. He even notes that he would have won if he had burned the town and everyone in it. Since Jon Connington wasn't in the show and they probably wanted to keep that story point in the series, so they gave his trigger and actions to Dany.
Because people hate Danny and do desperately hope that she's a "bad guy" so the narrative will justify their bias towards other characters who kill and plunder and start wars for personal reasons.
@@wisdommanari6701 I agree people do want her to be evil because they don't like her. But yet they'll justify everything Arya does like feed Walder Frey his sons in a pie and smirked as she opened his throat, gouging Meryn Trants eyes out and wiping out the rest of the Freys but nobody views Arya as a bad person or going mad. How is Arya not mad when she fed someone their sons in a pie?!
The show is the show, the books are the books. George paid D&D a LOT to make sure of that. It kinda backfired...
@@boymomx3OG If you think Arya is a psychath, you don't know what a psychopath is. I don't know what about my comment led to this idiocy, but no. Not only is r he video about the novel series, so was my comment. Just as Dany isn't a villain, neither is Arya.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 This video and my comment were both about the novel series and neither was about hating on Arya. You should probably find a GOT video to add your 2 cents to.
FYI, Arya gets vilified by the audience a lot even though she has done nothing worse than any of the other heroes. But a character who receives no hate is Wyman Manderly who is responsible for the Frey Pies. Just as Jon Connington's acts were used for Dany in the show, Wyman's act was given to Arya.
Loved tha women pov on danny it's so much more accurate how women be feelin,and go through what danny goes through.break down was propa
This whole situation with danny is very confusing. Just because she adapted to survive her situation dosent forgive the fact that she was forced.
Gray Lady returns
Another interesting parallel how many times Does Jon Snow say he's is blood of the North, Blood of Winterfel or has the blood of the First men in his veins? A ton
Call me bias but the Dothraki aren't so different from the Westerosi. They fight among each other and scrabble for plunder and self enrichment. They are just honest and upfront about it.
Danny merging with the horse makes sense skin changers CAN gain strength from the creatures that they bond with.
Again Westerosi politics are the same you marry into a Family for Military or political gain. For their army, for access to their food, to help curb your taxes etc. What Vicerys did was no different than Hoster Selling his daughter to Ned and Jon Aryan. A maiden head in exchange for an Army.
Ned wanted to avenge his father and Brother. Vicerys wanted to avenge his Father and Brother. But yes Grey area Vicerys is a terrible person to Dany.
So I also disagree with the consummation of the marriage. Yeah Khal Drogo is an absolute monster but it seems like he genuinely wanted his first time to be with his ex to be a gentle or at least pleasant experience. Also Danny saying YES was her first "choice" in the books. It's the difference between walking into a death match willingly and being dragged there. That Choice makes all the difference.
Speaking of forcing a woman to consummate a marriage do we view all arranged marriages as such? Catelyn, Lisa, Selyse, Elia, they all had arranged marriages they all "had" to say yes, and there would have been consequences for not going through the consumption. Maybe not physical retribution but definitely political shenanigans. 🤔
Also Drogo definitely got himself killed and Mirri said she would save his life and heal him and she did that.
Thank you for bringing this up. Just because the Dothraki were “savages” Dany was viewed like a lamb to slaughter when Roslin Frey was friggin terrified at her bedding ceremony. All these girls are being forced into this. Not just here. They’re all political pawns being sacrificed for someone else’s gain. Which is why Cat thinks there’s nothing more unfortunate than an ugly woman. At least Dany gets to say yes at some point instead of continued crying like Roslin.
I don't always agree with you, WM, though this comment was full of greats points 👍
And I'm somewhat jealous of how Daenerys got to lose her virginity, and I know a whole host of in-world women and *girls* would be, too.
@@sweeteuthiedoll the red wedding chapter really made me look at the way marriages go on a song of ice and fire. Catelyn keeps thinking about her wedding and her sisters it really made me uncomfortable with the whole thing.
@@FooLoni yeah whenever I see a group of people in story being called Savage I instantly look for parallels and similarities to out characters in group. I usually find that GRRM is making an ironic statement about Westerosi.
@@sweeteuthiedoll Criticizing Westerosi for doing arranged marriages is like criticizing Westerosi for riding horses instead of driving cars. This political system with marriage alliances is the best political system that anybody in their world has discovered. It's a consequence of power in their world being based on Blood Right. Is there a better way to distribute power than Blood Right? Certainly. But this world hasn't discovered it yet. The existence of dragons has made it really impossible to overthrow the Blood Right way of doing things. So they're stuck doing things this way, which is why marriages are arranged and compelled.
I am re-reading the books, just finished ACOKs so a long way to go to read them all again. Therefore I really appreciate all the insights you provide.
This was an amazing podcast! So many new and exciting thought provoking ideas! The 3 bride gifts being her army to come was brilliant! Never thought of that! GRRM really did put all the answers in the first book. So good. Sooo goood!!!
But I also wonder why Illyrio never gave (F)Aegon the dragon eggs?
yessss
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So, this is what I love about GrrM and ASOIAF. He always lets the reader decide certain elements of the story. Was it blood magic, poison and sorcery? Or just Drogo not following the doctors advice?
Or was it the wine or the pigeon pie at the purple wedding?
Is Melissandra’s shadow baby real? Or a magic trick using powders that make a person see terrible things?
The list goes on, and on, and on.. And I’m here for all the juice 🧃
Yes! Absolutely! It's that thing that GRRM does which leaves an air of mystery that gets me every damn time. 💯💯
I realized I’d been avoiding this video because of how I feel about Dany after -the season that shall not be named- Dumb and Dumber really messed with my mind
It would take the wind out of the sails of such a great wedding gift to say "ah yes these were stolen from your family so really they should have been yours anyway lol" it might just be as simple as trying to trump up the gift to impress them, he didn't think they'd actually hatch or he'd have kept them.
Good point!
There's nothing to watch these days on yt 😭...
New video from Grey!! Thank goodness I'm saved ❤️
Thanks to this chapter I started to draw strength from "I am blood of the dragon". I am a wrestler from Puerto Rico and before every match I tell myself "I am blood of the Dragon".
Dany + Gray = Yay!!
Sweet Summer Juice!
Love how in the illustration at 1:55, Drogo looks less a Dothraki, more a mid-weastern pedo.
We'll have none of that "copper skin", here thankyou!
Seriously though, just how many times *does* she use her dragons (particularly Viserion and Rhaegal) before she gets to Meereen and locks them up?
And that *was* an awesome pick-up on the whip, arahk and dragon-bone bow, gurls! And the salt-and-smoke thing with her Silver.
Damn. And damn, George. He really *does* just smack us in the face with many, many things.
My therapy video has come.
It's funny how the panel describes Viserys as evil but when the Dothraki are the topic, they're all turned on
Another great podcast from grayarea love it thanks for the amazing content as usual!! LOVE danaerys!! Best character doesn’t make sense the end she got in the show, no way she gonna burn a city of innocents that’s already surrendered!! Not my queen
I really enjoyed this one. You all had such a great rapport.
Tyrion lied to Daenerys about the bells meaning surrender and she saw through it.
That line about the wedding being especially blessed... can you imagine witnessing so many murders at one time at that age? PTSD much?
I mean yeah but Bran is 9 and witnesses an execution
37:00 The word you are looking for is her security is lost with Drogo. Aka the red door feeling of safety. 👍
I love me some Dragon Queen Daenerys Targaryen, the Mother of Dragons! This just makes me want TWOW 2 be released later on this year hopefully. I know the show built her up just 2 tear her down with that Mad Queen bull. Had Illyrio given the stone eggs 2 Faegon they'd never hatch because he's NOT blood of the Dragon!
Well even if he's a blackfyre he's decended from Aegon the Unworthy through the bastards line to a female. So he's still blood of the Dragon.
Actually all of the people of Lyse and Volantis and Myr are daughters of the Freehold so there is a chance that one of them could have hatched the Dragons with a little luck.
Yes but i also like the theory, that only females of house targaryen can hatch dragons plus their could be a select few who could hatch dragons but theres a difference between valyrian blood and blood of the dragon not every valyrian can ride dragons or hatch them.
Didn't Fire and Blood mention that someone thought they might have seen Alyssa's ship in Asshai??? I could have sworn I read that someone thought they spotted her ship there a long time after she stole the eggs. If this is true, we don't know that Illyrio is lying necessarily. Maybe they did come from Asshai but not because they were laid there but because they were sold there.
That did happen, yes.
GA!!!
I’d say boltons and the cannibal clan from beyond the wall are more violent then the Dothraki
Nah just Ramsey
Great video I enjoyed everyone's opinions and the way you guys got along. Nice
Gray Area!!!
Comparing the Dothraki to the Mongols is an oversimplification ... and perhaps misses the mark altogether, since the Mongols were actually sophisticated and had top-down government, even a "Pax Mongolica" that spanned for miles and generations. I'm not saying there's no Mongol inspiration for the Dothraki, but I think they're based more on the nomadic steppe warriors who followed in the wake of the dissolution of Roman power in late antiquity and who, like the Dothraki, didn't really have cities or monuments and were more prone to fighting one another than to falling under the leadership of one man. The Dothraki are more or less the fantasy embodiment of real history's millenia-spanning tradition of horse-mounted archer/pastoralist/raider/warrior/nomads, a tradition that at one time included names such as the Huns, Khazars, Alans, Mongols, Turks, Tatars, Avars, Magyars, and of course the Scythians, who terrorized first the Romans and then later the Byzantines and other emerging European forces. The Parthians were kind of an offshoot of the Scythians, and we know that they're a big inspiration for Martin, since, according to legend, they pioneered the whole "kill a man with hubris by pouring molten gold onto his head" thing when they killed the Roman general Crassus in 53 BC.
I stand with Daenerys too.
I don’t think Daenerys ever feels she has to be okay with this. I think she feels she has to accept it. For now. The moment she has the authority to change what she is seeing, she acts.
To me being okay with it is Cersei handing that girl over to Qyburn. Accepting it is you have to for survival, Dany handing that girl over to be “interrogated” for information in Meereen after the attack.
Tactical as apposed to senseless approval of violence.
I can't even express how happy I am to have found your channel 💕 I love me some Dany forever!
Haven’t even started the video but I already know it’s going to be great
More Juice!
This vids are great! My wildest fantasy for Dany is to take control of Braavos and the Iron Bank so she can conquer Westeros through debt collection .. and ya’ll know IB doesn’t forgo no debts, oh (f)Aegon sitting on the throne? Don’t matter, you have 5 days to pay back the 6 million dragons or face the dragon’s mercy. Oh Cersei burns KL? Doesn’t matter, taking the rest of realm as collateral evict every single lord out of their castles. Oh Euron wants to play magic? Face the faceless man dude, good riddance! John wants to claim the throne? I dare you to come up with 6 million in 10 days - again, I have dragons. Lol Think about it rn the IB is a key to the realm.
many of arguments is based on presentism. Huge logical fallacy. judging a historical (obviously it's not history , but it does happening in a medieval type time) event with today's moral values with totally different social and political environment. I think u guys r being too harsh on Drogo. He is living in a harsh environment but still he is being gentle and kind(sort of). He truly want to love her(in his way). his behaviour with her is totally different from Normal dothraki culture. He did not force himself on her but lets face it marital rape was common during medieval times. also westorosi lords used to follow culture like lord's right(some still do like Boltons).
Loved the commentary on Dany and Drogo's relationship. Gworl the fandom would have you think they were on their Formation Tour in Essos like Jay-Z and Beyonce.
Also, Love the moderator-cohosts, would like to see them again one day.
Also, we talk about the feminine dynamic between Sansa and Arya, but I think Dany's storyline is a combination of those two types.
I think Dany's dreams are two opposing forces, one trying to get her to wake the dragon and one trying to prevent her from waking the dragon. I think R'hollar is trying to get to wake the dragon,,, and The Great Other is trying to prevent her from doing so, and I think her feeling icy breath on her neck as she runs towards the red door substantiates this.
I’m ALWAYS on the look out for your vids!!! Your my FAVORITE content writer!!!
Thank you!!!
Lol I almost didn’t listen to this podcast because Tubi(?) said she didn’t like Daenerys. Lol I was like “Nope! Love you Gray but I don’t want to hear trash talking about my girl. Not today.” Lol 😂
Isn't it kind of pathetic that you have to isolate yourself from opinions that are different from your own?
@@ApplesandDragons We've heard all the opinions before and the majority of them don't hold up.
Apples and Dragons
Isn’t it kind of pathetic that you had to waste your time with an ignorant statement? Clearly I was joking hence all the “lol” and emojis.
Furthermore I don’t care if someone has differing opinions about Daenerys, just be logical in your reasoning and don’t discredit the facts that Daenerys fans are presenting because of what biased reason you have. What is pathetic is same repetitive arguments that flat-liners keep trying to beat. It’s a medieval society. Being brutal was acceptable. Foreshadowing is NOT character development. Daenerys was NEVER power hungry (especially in the books) because she’s always had power and we saw what she did with it; abolished slavery, liberated Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen, traveled North to save Jon and the fellowship and later aided in the war for Winterfell. People keep trying to make Daenerys something she never was/is.
Daenerys character was intentionally dismantled by two men who said they hated her character.
I dislike how everyone talks so much about how Dany had to marry kahl drogo and was forced like every other women in the story got to choose litterally everyone is married for political gains why is it so bad for dany
Because she was 13 and marrying a man who didn’t even speak the same language , and she started living in a completely different culture that she knew barely anything about
It's obvious that Dany and Drogo had real love. You can't even deny it to make your point, because you know it's true. If I may hazard a guess, you're conflicted about Dany and Drogo because admitting that their love was real in the middle and end feels like a justification for the rape in the beginning.
I propose that the ends don't necessarily justify the means. People are complex enough that this kind of thing can happen, and I think the author is brave to show reality in its complexity. A different author might dumb down our fiction to make it safer and easier to deal with.
I don't see any indication that Dany has Stockholm syndrome. We have a direct line into Dany's thoughts, and with Stockholm syndrome I think we would see Dany making excuses for Drogo and trying to justify Drogo's rough treatment of her, but she does nothing of the sort that I can remember.
I think we have to give Dany credit where it's due. With Doreah's help and with a whole lot of inner strength, it appears to me that Dany carved out her autonomy in the relationship. She showed Drogo that he would be happier with a companion and mate rather than just a mate.
Likewise, I think we have to give Drogo credit where it's due. Because whether he was aware of it or not, he did come to realize that he would rather have a companion. He passes power to Dany both sexually and politically. So he isn't exactly the heartless beast that he's sometimes made out to be.
❤❤❤ Thanks so much Lady Gray!!
Juice time!!!
I can't see Daenerys being anywhere near King's Landing while it burns. It might fall victim to Cersei preventing fAegon from entering, or Euron or Victarion getting involved with a Dragon. And these fights might happen while she rides north from Volantis to Pentos and Victarion/Tyrion go north to Pentos by the sea. Jon Connington or Cersei are mad enough to start a fire in the Red Keep's Sept, triggering Aery's pyre by error when they bury either Tommen or fAegon, but Daenerys... can't see that happen.
Dragonbone bow could fit the Sellsword-companies like the Windblown. - And riding with Brown Ben Plum and the Tattered Prince to Pentos - in that conquest she could have gathered three heads, Ben being of Aegon the Unworthy's bastard-line and the Tattered Prince saying he was a rogue - (I took that as being of a bastard-line by the Rogue Prince.)
I can't wait for seeing Edmure and Roslin hosting some Dothrakis at Riverrun before Daenerys battles the White Walkers on the Trident. - Roslin telling them that in their wedding one half of the wedding party killed the other half... I just hear a Dosh Khaleen say: "Oh, you had so many deaths at your wedding? That must have been a really wonderful feast!"
The struggles you mention that Dany has embrasing the ruthlessness she needs to accomplish her goals is the exact reasoning why I think she's likely the mummers dragon. Not taking the control she needed to in Mereen. Plus it's the only thing that makes sense of the coupling with Quentyn.
What do you mean by the "coupling with Quentyn" thing?
english black pudding is grains with cooked congealed pig's blood.
And very tasty it is too!
@@tzaph67 it is 😲😲😵😵 wow the blood thing sounds unhygenic
You said that the dothraki are the most violent people in the book, I wonder what you make of the brave companions? I am sorry but the brutality described in the actions of the "Westeners" in the Riverlands is similar if not even worse than what the dothraki do in Essos.
Thank you Grey and ladies i truly enjoyed this weeks expisode
Dany is going to burn Volantis and attack the Red Keep, and she'll accidentally set off the caches of wildfire; her father had placed in and around the city, destroying King's Landing in the process earning her yet another title, the Mad Queen (this time unearned since it wasn't intentional)
When You said in broad daylight! I pictured you with shades saying it like the dude in New Jack City
Fire & Blood
Do you have the link to Blood of the Dragon? I am always looking for (all of) those released chapters and can never find them!
..i LIVE for obsidian nights. My fave ASOIAF content by miiiiilesssssss. Thank you Lady Gray xxx
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I also liked how they changed it into rape in the show. It was weird to read that she just accepted it in the book. That part never really made sense to me. Also, how does a 13 year old virgin know what she's doing and she seemed to know what she was doing in the book.
That was the culture though, same as it was in medieval Europe. Even feisty powerful women like Eleanor of Aquitaine had to submit to political marriage and marital rape. It actually says in that chapter that she’d always expected to marry Viserys. I think when you put it in cultural context Khal Drogo behaved well with Dany
@@tzaph67 i know that was the culture at the time but my issue was that she seemed to know what she was doing. She was a 13 year old virgin yet we're led to believe she knows what she is doing during the consummation.
Daeneryes has to be the most iconic character over the last decade
The undying call Dany child of 3. I always wondered if that means something besides the 3 fires, 3 treasons & 3 mounts.
She's the third child. Rhaegar, Vicerys and then Daenerys
I totally overlook that. I just see her as Child of the 3 Original Conquerors(Aegon &his 2 sisterwives) as well as the Mother of the LAST 3 DRAGONS in the World
When will you do one with Quinn?
She cared about her brother even if he were sheer evil... You're soooooo wrong.
She said it when she dreamt about him. After fleeing from the pits with Drogon
Danny probably feels like almost every indian woman who has an arrangement for a marriage...very scary
The tail of the two Queens some good do bad some bad do good they had different paths but became the same type of leader I was reminded of what Jon said on the beach when he said if you use Drago s to conquer cities by burning them then you are just more of the same! How she got there was a shock to say the least but she got there anyway!! Thanks to poor writing of dumb and dumber !!! Long live the Queen!!!
This video is longer than my lunch break 😭
UP THE SPEED!!!
@@GrayArea My Noble Lady you do not chug a fine wine.
Wisdom Manari' it would be a crime to drink a wine this rich without at least giving it time to breathe -the wine merchant that tried to poison Daenerys had a point
Thanks for the upload Gray!!! ❤️
Watching this after the Karen one, so: Mirri Maz Dur, killing a baby in the womb = kinda sympathetic, Cat being mean to Jon = worst person ever, not an ounce of understanding. How would you judge Mirri's action as a women and mother in 2020? ;)
Matt_91 Mirri Maz Durr was a captive who was raped and her entire village was slaughtered. How can you compare her to Cat? If you watched the Mirri video I did with Aziz you will see she was sympathetic IMO UNTIL she killed Rhaego.
@@GrayArea well you make the disclaimer yourself, but that wasn't in the video. And what if I told you the story of a girl that was meant to marry a guy she liked at 17-18, he gets killed, she is forced to marry his brother, gets pregnant, has to leave everything behind and move to a different, strange culture, he leaves and when she finally presents him their son (at age 19!) he brings another woman's son along. I have two questions:
1. Don't you emphasize with her at least up to this point?
2. How "grown-up" should a girl of 19 react to this?
The scale of their stories sure is different (and that's not what I'm comparing, wouldn't blame Mirri for killing Drogo either), but you were specifically talking about empathy in relation to the behaviour towards a baby (born or unborn) and it seems we actually agree that both were terribly wrong in this But I couldn't tell or would want to imagine how I would react in there place and time.
Defo gonna watch your Mirri video, all of your videos in fact, since I really like what I saw so far.
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Were the Dothraki ONLY modeled after the Mongols? Couldn't GRRM have taken some inspiration from native Americans?... especially the more violent tribes... scalpers or whatever. I've read that some of those natives enslaved other tribes. I guess they didn't have one conqueror who stood out... or if they did, it's not widely known. Supposedly, horses were not native to the continent... and the indians incorporated horses into their culture late in the game... so maybe, yeah... maybe the Mongols only were the inspiration.
the mongolian blood pies sound similar to a dish we have in sweden called blood pudding(similar to brittish black pudding), it has the same ingredients too. Its actually pretty tasty, and healthy too. contains lots of iron. all this talk of blood pudding, Im hungry now. :P
Why do I get the feeling that Gray's story about a patient not taking penicillin is from her life? Lol.
Very good podcast flow, thoughts & subject...but #3’s audio tho🥵
42:20 the way you said that made me think of the Night King's 12 ...
I think the Drogo-Daenerys wedding night is consensually iffy but I don't think George considers it so. At least not when he was writing the scene.
Re: MMD, I wonder if she suspected Drogo's wound would fester and kill him eventually, and so she volunteered to treat him so she would have the opportunity to kill Rhaego?
It's interesting that she claims responsibility for Drogo's death when it seems like Drogo discarded her healing methods very quickly. Perhaps she meant she killed him through ommitance. Like, she knew of effective treatments (like cauterizing maybe) but chose not to use them on Drogo.
Hell no that was all Drogos fault
@@wisdommanari6701 so you think MMD gave him a treatment that actually would have worked had he stuck with it? Why would she have done that when she wants him dead? And why would she lie and take credit for his death if she was actually trying to save him?
@@anonmouse6337 people lie to out protagonists all the time. Balish, Qyburn, Jorrah, Varys, and we don't always know why they do it. GRRM loves to say that the best/worst lies have hidden truths in them.
We have no reason to think that she wanted him dead outright. Yes she claims to want vengeance, but it seems like Danny's child was her true target. Drogo already sacked her village. But Rhego would have burned the world. Remember the Bloodriders were willing to kill her at a moments notice. Think about it if she saves Drogo she can then ingratiate herself with Danny and kill her child more easily. What happens seems to be a mess that she took advantage of not some meticulous plan.
After all, true to her word. She she did save Drogos life. But the fever he had probably traveled to his brain and she did what she could to stop it. It's that monkeys paw level of be careful what you wish for.
Love your videos.
Aww summer mother I'm late 😢
.. and thank you so much for giving us a video thank you and for the new channels is the a link to the undisputed lands 😁🙏👍
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Thank you! Been looking forward to this chapter
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Hi Gray. I don’t think Danny’s eggs are the same ones that Elissa Farman stole, simply because of the time it happened which was 100s of years ago. I feel Perhaps her eggs were from summerhall?
Nah. It is the same eggs. Years after Elissa sails west, it’s recorded that the Sea Lord has dragons eggs for show in his palace but they suddenly disappear at some point. She stole three eggs. Then some time after a Sea Lord has three eggs, then they disappear and Illyrio has three eggs and give them to Dany? Dragon eggs are not easy to come by yet there are three eggs circling around the same area for about 100 years until Dany get’s them and there are no longer any dragon eggs in the story. That most mean that it’s the same three dragon eggs that changed hands throughout the years.
Rai hard to disagree but how do you figure Illyrio got his hands on the same eggs
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Maybe the horse premonition or vision means the stallion that mounts the world meaning that Daenerys is the stallion and not her baby ......!!!
I eventually watched the show. |I do not get why the "after the surrender" story is making any sense. She hears about the "bells" as a sign of surrender from Tyrion, who had quite a history of bad decisions by that point of a show. The Red Keep did open the gates, the armies did not disperse. She waited and no one in power came out and surrender the King's Landing. She understandably lost her temper..