I have a 19 300 that I just ordered heavier springs for. I haven't installed them yet. I've also got a 22 390 RE on the way. I think I'll wait to get some miles on it before I change those springs since I heard the KYBs are a little more stiff. I may start messing with seat and bar height before I make any more changes to suspension settings. Great Beta content! Your channel really helps Beta make inroads into the market and solidify them as a serious player.
I would rather have the right springs in the forks, for proper ride height for better handling, and the KYB break in time will be the same, if there is such a thing.
@@EarthSurferUSA The 390 needs no additional mods to the suspension. I'm 240lbs and it's TONS better than the stock rates in the 300RR. The 300 is in the shop getting the springs installed AS I write - the 390 with 5 hours on it is getting a new clutch slave cylinder. Can't win 'em all!
Thanks for the vid. I am putting stiffer springs in my SSS forks today so I am doing some research, (the manual is not very good IMO). But I do have some shop advise. For that kind of work where you want parts to stay clean as you work on them, put the bench grinder on the other side of the shop on it's own bench. That is one dirty table you are doing surgery on. I have some education in manufacturing and setting up shops, and that was actually taught in class, but I should have thought of that little detail myself. :) Again, thanks for the information. Doug in Michigan.
Glad it was helpful! Enjoy the ride, Jared. Also, if you need Beta parts I would love to work with you! We offer discounts and even free shipping on certain orders!
I tried the maxima 5 fork oil. It feels like garbage, almost like the forks are binding. Switched back to KYB 01M and it made the forks feel light years better
Sorry, I reread my comment,I was asking a question not making a statement. If I increase the weight of my shock oil would that increase the stiffness of my shocks?
@@timhenrywoodard9583 Yes it will, but that will also tend to make the action not very responsive for small bumps/roots/rocks. My philosophy is to use a heavy spring for the compression, with enough rebound dampening to control the spring, and as light on the compression dampening as possible. I set it up that way, set the compression at the lightest setting, (heavier spring will resist the bottoming), and click up on the compression when needed on the trail. The goal is to resist bottoming while keeping the action plush for the small stuff. The oil I am using is the Yamaha s-1 zero weight oil. I was running out of rebound adjustment with my shock and heavy spring, and I have in there now Maxima 3 weight shock oil, and it really slowed down the rebound to a crawl at full stiff. Too heavy for what I am doing, so I will either re-valve the rebound a bit stiffer, or try to mix the 2 oils. Doug in Michigan
Good video, thanks! I can't find that Motion Pro wrench on their website...I can just make out from your video that it's 49mm/12.5mm but can't see the part number. They only show a 49mm/12mm. Can you share the part number please?
Good Morning, sorry for the long delay but I found the Beta part number for the KYB fork cap tool. The part number is AB-15021. If you are interested in purchasing one give me a ring and we will work with you on the price! Thanks, Jared
I tried to order the same type of wrench from a Yamaha dealership that is in my owners manual with a part number, and they could not get it from Yamaha, (or older OEM plastic fenders that are not very badly twisted with no quality control, 2 of them. Had to go aftermarket for a better quality 2014 YZ250 front fender), and the dealership found me this Motion Pro wrench. You can always go to the source---and actually pick up the phone, and call Motion Pro. I bet they can help, pretty sure. But because you want 3rd party information, and i could be wrong of course, mine is a 49 x 12.5 and the "Motion Pro part number" on the tool is "08-0429",---I think. Call them to make sure. :)
Having purchased a 22 300 Racing, your uploads are v appreciated. Q. How much should forks be pushed back up through the triple clamp? Is there a stock setting?
Good Morning, thank you for watching our videos I appreciate it! Typically the KYBs mount to where the outer fork tube is just barely above the upper triple clamp. Since I can't upload a picture with this I'll suggest laying a nickel on the triple clamp and matching both sides to that height. Of course customers can change that to fit their riding styles. Hopefully that helps! Also, keep in mind that we offer discounts on OEM Beta parts and the accessories on the Beta USA website. If you are ever in need give us a call! Thanks, Jared
Waiting for my '22 but thankfully the KYB looks very similar to my '17 300 race Sachs forks. My '17 came stock with 7w breakin fluid or so the rumours stated. I believe it as just changing the fluid to Maxima 5w was much better and much less stiff Thanks.
@@burstcasino If those forks come with 0 weight oil like the KYB SSS forks on the Yamaha, your forks will be quite a bit stiffer and less responsive to small bumps with heavier oil.
Hey good evening, every year suspension is tuned by the manufacturers. This is right from their press release on the 2022 race editions: » All race edition models come with KYB closed cartridge front forks. For 2022 the forks have been meticulously massaged with new valving specs to provide more suppleness over rocky terrain. Beta engineers have worked exclusively with KYB further developing the fork to provide a balanced feel.
Good Question! One of our riders raced on the Factory Hard Enduro team last year and his bike has the extended bladder installed. I still have that bike and I think it does a good job of lowering the oil temperature inside of the shock as it has quite a bit more oil volume. For the everyday rider I do not think they will benefit enough from the kit to worry about installing it. Thanks, Jared
Beta, specking the SSS forks that Yamaha has been using and set the standard for fork action. Looks like beta makes some good business decisions. I bet it is a well built bike, and love the fact that the one there is a 2-stroke. BUT---- I will never understand the sense of the modern taller bike, (YZ 250 2-stroke stupid tall stock, with a short 2-stroke head.). People say you get used to it, but people can get used to prison also. It is a mater of physics, and my slightly lowered bike corners so much better. Ricky Carmichael did it too. Worked for him pretty good. :) Tall guys just got a taller seat. Now anybody under 5'10" has to modify the suspension and lower the seat, (which are getting pretty thin stock). I think the world is going--------------irrational.
Oh, today's bikes are not longer/more roomy than the bikes of the late 80's, 90's, to today. Same size bike, (wheel base, foot peg and bar location, ground clearance) as today. We just have a taller seat that is flat to the gas cap where nobody sits,---ever, unless they are crashing. :). If you think about it, modern fork starting devises that compress the for 6", (3" at the seat), still require baby booster foot starting blocks under your feet if you are not approaching 6' tall, is its own kind of stupid funny. "Shot people got no reason. Short people got no reason to ride." (remember that song? ("ride" equaled "Live", and it got banned)
I have a 19 300 that I just ordered heavier springs for. I haven't installed them yet. I've also got a 22 390 RE on the way. I think I'll wait to get some miles on it before I change those springs since I heard the KYBs are a little more stiff. I may start messing with seat and bar height before I make any more changes to suspension settings.
Great Beta content! Your channel really helps Beta make inroads into the market and solidify them as a serious player.
I would def recommend riding the bike before you do springs, it might save you money if you enjoy the stock stuff! Thanks for the positive feedback!
I would rather have the right springs in the forks, for proper ride height for better handling, and the KYB break in time will be the same, if there is such a thing.
@@EarthSurferUSA The 390 needs no additional mods to the suspension. I'm 240lbs and it's TONS better than the stock rates in the 300RR. The 300 is in the shop getting the springs installed AS I write - the 390 with 5 hours on it is getting a new clutch slave cylinder. Can't win 'em all!
Thanks for the vid. I am putting stiffer springs in my SSS forks today so I am doing some research, (the manual is not very good IMO). But I do have some shop advise. For that kind of work where you want parts to stay clean as you work on them, put the bench grinder on the other side of the shop on it's own bench. That is one dirty table you are doing surgery on. I have some education in manufacturing and setting up shops, and that was actually taught in class, but I should have thought of that little detail myself. :)
Again, thanks for the information. Doug in Michigan.
Please keep these great videos coming
Thanks!! As I get new bikes in we will continue to show accessory install videos!
Great video, no nonsense and easy to follow. 👍
Glad it was helpful! Enjoy the ride, Jared. Also, if you need Beta parts I would love to work with you! We offer discounts and even free shipping on certain orders!
I tried the maxima 5 fork oil. It feels like garbage, almost like the forks are binding. Switched back to KYB 01M and it made the forks feel light years better
Hola se le puede poner la estrella para regular los clics o no
Solo el tornillo
Just ordered the corect spring rate. It's next size after stock. Isn't it will be to stiff fork? I've got kayaba fork
Nice video. Regards from Gran Canaria
Thank you very much for watching! Thanks, Jared
Another great video
I appreciate that! Thanks, Jared
I’ve got a 22 300 RE on its way and will need stiffer springs because I’m a bigger guy. Would also suggest a heavier weight oil like 7w or 10w
Thanks for your suggestion on the oil. Give me a shout if you need parts! Happy to offer discounts!
Sorry, I reread my comment,I was asking a question not making a statement. If I increase the weight of my shock oil would that increase the stiffness of my shocks?
@@timhenrywoodard9583 Yes it will, but that will also tend to make the action not very responsive for small bumps/roots/rocks. My philosophy is to use a heavy spring for the compression, with enough rebound dampening to control the spring, and as light on the compression dampening as possible. I set it up that way, set the compression at the lightest setting, (heavier spring will resist the bottoming), and click up on the compression when needed on the trail. The goal is to resist bottoming while keeping the action plush for the small stuff. The oil I am using is the Yamaha s-1 zero weight oil. I was running out of rebound adjustment with my shock and heavy spring, and I have in there now Maxima 3 weight shock oil, and it really slowed down the rebound to a crawl at full stiff. Too heavy for what I am doing, so I will either re-valve the rebound a bit stiffer, or try to mix the 2 oils.
Doug in Michigan
Good video, thanks! I can't find that Motion Pro wrench on their website...I can just make out from your video that it's 49mm/12.5mm but can't see the part number. They only show a 49mm/12mm. Can you share the part number please?
Good evening, I will check tomorrow and get you some info!
Good Morning, sorry for the long delay but I found the Beta part number for the KYB fork cap tool. The part number is AB-15021. If you are interested in purchasing one give me a ring and we will work with you on the price! Thanks, Jared
I tried to order the same type of wrench from a Yamaha dealership that is in my owners manual with a part number, and they could not get it from Yamaha, (or older OEM plastic fenders that are not very badly twisted with no quality control, 2 of them. Had to go aftermarket for a better quality 2014 YZ250 front fender), and the dealership found me this Motion Pro wrench. You can always go to the source---and actually pick up the phone, and call Motion Pro. I bet they can help, pretty sure. But because you want 3rd party information, and i could be wrong of course, mine is a 49 x 12.5 and the "Motion Pro part number" on the tool is "08-0429",---I think. Call them to make sure. :)
How important is spring rate?
We’ll done. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Having purchased a 22 300 Racing, your uploads are v appreciated. Q. How much should forks be pushed back up through the triple clamp? Is there a stock setting?
Good Morning, thank you for watching our videos I appreciate it! Typically the KYBs mount to where the outer fork tube is just barely above the upper triple clamp. Since I can't upload a picture with this I'll suggest laying a nickel on the triple clamp and matching both sides to that height. Of course customers can change that to fit their riding styles. Hopefully that helps!
Also, keep in mind that we offer discounts on OEM Beta parts and the accessories on the Beta USA website. If you are ever in need give us a call! Thanks, Jared
Waiting for my '22 but thankfully the KYB looks very similar to my '17 300 race Sachs forks. My '17 came stock with 7w breakin fluid or so the rumours stated. I believe it as just changing the fluid to Maxima 5w was much better and much less stiff Thanks.
Thanks for the comment and enjoy the new bike!
Thanks for the videos.
@@burstcasino If those forks come with 0 weight oil like the KYB SSS forks on the Yamaha, your forks will be quite a bit stiffer and less responsive to small bumps with heavier oil.
Do u know if the valving was changed for the 22, I've heard kyb on the race was supposed be softened up a bit?
Hey good evening, every year suspension is tuned by the manufacturers. This is right from their press release on the 2022 race editions:
» All race edition models come with KYB closed cartridge front forks. For 2022 the
forks have been meticulously massaged with new valving specs to provide more
suppleness over rocky terrain. Beta engineers have worked exclusively with KYB
further developing the fork to provide a balanced feel.
Do y'all do the Sachs rear shock bladder conversion?
Good Question! One of our riders raced on the Factory Hard Enduro team last year and his bike has the extended bladder installed. I still have that bike and I think it does a good job of lowering the oil temperature inside of the shock as it has quite a bit more oil volume. For the everyday rider I do not think they will benefit enough from the kit to worry about installing it. Thanks, Jared
Awww man 4:20 You put the same fork spring in that you took out.
:)
Beta, specking the SSS forks that Yamaha has been using and set the standard for fork action.
Looks like beta makes some good business decisions. I bet it is a well built bike, and love the fact that the one there is a 2-stroke. BUT----
I will never understand the sense of the modern taller bike, (YZ 250 2-stroke stupid tall stock, with a short 2-stroke head.). People say you get used to it, but people can get used to prison also. It is a mater of physics, and my slightly lowered bike corners so much better. Ricky Carmichael did it too. Worked for him pretty good. :)
Tall guys just got a taller seat. Now anybody under 5'10" has to modify the suspension and lower the seat, (which are getting pretty thin stock).
I think the world is going--------------irrational.
Oh, today's bikes are not longer/more roomy than the bikes of the late 80's, 90's, to today. Same size bike, (wheel base, foot peg and bar location, ground clearance) as today. We just have a taller seat that is flat to the gas cap where nobody sits,---ever, unless they are crashing. :). If you think about it, modern fork starting devises that compress the for 6", (3" at the seat), still require baby booster foot starting blocks under your feet if you are not approaching 6' tall, is its own kind of stupid funny.
"Shot people got no reason. Short people got no reason to ride." (remember that song? ("ride" equaled "Live", and it got banned)