This is awesome. One problem though: From the tom hits I can tell right away that there is the same frustrating problem plaguing most every e-kit module: 'machine-gunning'. Frustrating because all it takes is a round-robin between even just 2 different sample sets for each pad zone- easily done through external MIDI.
Might be the firmware, keep in mind this is pre-release. I read somewhere that each drum sound was recorded using three different strokes to provide diversity in sound.
for my use case this would be no problem because I'd only ever be using sample libraries in my daw anyways, but for people who want to play with this kit live, yeah that's a major downside. hopefully zildjian is able to fix this problem before release. no $7K kit should have machine gunning
tbh, if you're not opting for SD3 or friends, you're sacrificing so much fidelity anyway. I mean, good enough for practice sessions, but if you want it to sound good, you're going for any of the great vst in the first place.
That's been my biggest sticking point - There have been so many promising kit that feel chained to a HH trig with crazy latency. I wonder if this is what I thought MIDI 2.x would bring us, better resolution and feel for cymbals.
I almost want this JUST for those hihats. The rubber hihats of my alesis strike pro just don’t feel like real hi hats at all 😢 it’s my number one complain with most ekits
I tried these cymbals and didn't like them. Because they are drilled so much they didn't feel as solid as regular cymbals. Felt kinda mushy. Like the cymbal was flexing more. Luckily my excellent drum shop has a very generous return policy.
Fun useless fact that I'll explain you as both a drum and aviation nerd. The strange sound you hear in the plane at the beginning of the video is the PTU (Power Transfer Unit), which is an hydraulic pump situated in a way you'll hear it do it's job if you seat near the wings during the pushback phase. This is specific to "older" twin engine Airbus, such as the A330ceo and A320ceo families.
the connectors are not compatible with other modules on the market. If that doesn't change you need an additional zildian-module and a possibility to connect it to your e-kit.
@@steffenpanning2776 Exactly, what I found interesting is it seems like from the back of the module, in theory may be able to connect Roland drums to the Zildjian module because it's the same connector but you cannot add Zildjian E-cymbals to a Roland module. From a marketing perspective, that's pretty smart to stick it to Roland like that.
They did. The Gen 16’s were the first try. These have better pickups and better processing. If you never heard of them… it explains why they’re not around anymore.
I don't have the budget for one, but I could definitely see this working for quite a few of the musical theater gigs I've had where the acoustics in the rooms were awful. It could be helpful for the sound engineer, rather than just adding mics to the kit, and getting the guitar amps picking up in the drum mics making it more of an annoyance.
@@anotheryoutubed Because that is the reality of the situation if you want the best sounds. The drums are like that as well - Rolands multi thousand dollar brains still sound like toys compared to triggering Superior Drummer 3 which is clearly a choice Roland has made. I have a VAD507 Kit and I NEVER use the sounds in the module. It is a very sophisticated and expensive midi -controller.
I had to move houses and had to change from an acoustic DW drum set and I upgraded to the Roland VAD716 Electronic Drum Set and it works like a charm. I’m in love with it right now. I would 100% recommend.
Looks pretty comparable to to a high end Roland kit in about the same or lower price range. I'm really intrigued by this set and would like to know the closest location to NYC where I can check them out. I'm glad Zildjian had you out there.
Interesting proposal tbh, I hope this concept expands more, so you could use and explore different sounds on it with more interchangeable parts on the kit!
Sounds amazing. I wonder why they bothered with the maple shells, as the acoustic attributes of the drums really don't matter. Could save the customer some of that price tag with plastic or even pine shells. Small nitpick.
The cymbals look like they respond well, but man those drum samples are terrible, you can hear the same sample triggering over and over, it just sounds like a bad bedroom producer making drum sounds. Not worth $700, definitely not worth $7000
What I really like about the eCymbals is the lower profile connector(s) underneath the symbals - as opposed to the larger boxy sensor ... boxes .. on most others. I WISH Zildjan would offer the eCymbals piecemeal or in packs (and that they're compatible with other modules)
This setup could be interesting for an hybrid kit. Such as recording real shells in a nice sounding room but having more control over the cymbals in post.
The cymbals are really cool and seem to have good module sounds, but for 7000$, you can build a custom e kit with full acrylic shells, real feel mesh heads, and a pearl mimic pro module. I know this because I've literally done that. This pricing is insane. It's really a shame that Zildjan has decided to go with digital connections for the cymbals, because I think it would generally make way more sense to have the option to sell cymbal packs in addition to the full e kit. The people who would be interested in these cymbals, like me, probably already have high end custom/Roland/DW ekits and wouldn't want to shell out ludicrous prices when they only want the cymbals. I doubt these will sell TBH.
as a stage sound engineering, I'd might use only the e-cymbals for a stage perfomances in small clubs cuz the acoustics there might really suck and the cymbals are so loud so they cover all the instruments
Extremely impressed with those e-cymbals to be quite honest. Very nice indeed. I've just recently embarked on the rather lengthy DIY endeavor of converting my old 80-90's era Mapex Mars Series acoustic 4pc shell pack into an E-kit. I've started with an old Roland TD-6v module, Remo silent stroke heads, Ddrum Redshot triggers, Lemon cymbals, and actually managed to snag an old Boom Theory Space Muffins 12" dual zone snare in great shape for just $70 off of Reverb! So far the project is going rather well aside from the endless parameter tweaking and so on, although the Redshot kick trigger leaves quite much to be desired IMO. I'm actually thinking about just getting a cheap $20 Pintech trigger and literally gluing it to the bass drum head a bit closer to the strike zone for more accuracy. Also, the Roland TD-6v came well before triple zone cymbals were common, so I've been pondering with possibly picking up an additional Roland TD-4 module on the cheap to exclusively handle my Vh-11 hi-hat controller, triple zone ride, and dual zone crashes. It's a work in progress, although I kind of knew that going in so... No worries. Great demo and content BTW dude! I've been aspiring to eventually start making my own content soon, although responsible adulting and being a parent takes center stage currently. Ha! Keep being awesome my dude! Cheers!
If you can afford a $7,000 toy, you can afford a place to practice where no one will complain about the volume... Anyway electric drums is still lound and ppl will complain even more becouse they hear only knocking not music Second thing renting room is relly cheap. rooms by the hour is like 2$/h if you have plates if not 3$/h. If you have band and some friend band you can ez get great room for 300-400$ month
@@oxfordbambooshootify with playing always problem is the nosie im playing trumpet for 20 years and already somone point gun at me becouse trumpet is loud mate
I've played this kit and it's very expensive for what it is. It's great and the cymbals are very nice but it's not a total revolution like they market. I expected it to be some sort of system that picks up the actual sounds of the cymbals and through some technology, morph that into a 'real' cymbal sound but... no it's just kind of L80 cymbals with really decent triggering. The rest of the kit is nothing you can't make at home out of any old kit if you just buy some nice dedicated triggers and mesh heads.
Good video as always from rdvaidr. Great looking product. Pricey to say the least. The big question for me is when the high hats are struck with a stick how many discrete states (sounds) can the module produce between fully closed and fully open? My Rolands TD17 module has 4. Acoustic hi hat cymbals of course are pretty much infinite in this regard. I'm kind of a Ringo guy and he was the master of slight variations in high hat ride IMO. I would like to have seen that question answered but aside from that, a very nice demo video.
Inteface on the module seems really laggy, I assume this is still not the final version of that software? Not a big deal at the end of day but if the base is 45 hundos I hope they can iron out such kinks at release.
They're probably saving money on the module by using some cheap ARM SoC instead of something better. If they used something better, the whole thing would have to cost 10 grand.
Man I really dig the freestyle sticks. I have been craving that extra inch for years. The Danny Carey sticks are alright with the taper as well.. but the freestyles are almost perfect.
The irony of this, in my humble opinion, is that these cymbals sound better, overall, than their acoustic cymbals. I think they incorporated the best of all worlds in these. Bravo to you and to Zildjian.
Maybe I’m weird…If i take an e-kit out, its for portability as much as volume control…not sure I understand this trend of carrying around a full size drum kit/stands just to hold a bunch of triggers up in the air. And with that price tag…I’d rather buy an actual pro acoustic kit, real Zildjian cymbals and stands, and put the rest of the moolah back in the bank…
Agreed. I pickup my Alesis e-kit on its rack and my Macbook running BFD and put it in the back of my truck in one trip. No way I'm into an e-kit that is as much work to haul around as a regular acoustic kit.
The cymbals remind me a lot of the L80 cymbals. What is the finish on them? I have a set of L80s, but don't like to use them for extended practice, because the rough finish sands down the tips of my sticks.
@@jessegray8523I use wood tips. I doubt that nylon tips would be affected in the same way. I actually like the way the L80 cymbals sound, but my sticks ended up looking like the Carter McLean signature sticks.
Okay wow, this kit is quite cool! As someone who's never going to be able to play an acoustic kit in their home, something like this would be incredibly cool, but it's way out of my price range 😢 Thanks for showing it to us!
I can see a metal song intro that uses the acoustic sound of this kit with a lo fi version of the guitar riff before switching to the electronic sound to play a fill before the guitars come in
I don't need electronic drums, but an electronic Zildjian module would be something I would want. Imagine being able to dial up any possible Zildjian configuration.
It looks and sounds great. If I had to make the decision again about what E-kit to buy, this Z kit would be right up in the mix!!! I got a td50 back in 17 and have not looked back. I added the digital hat to the snare and ride and all the hat quality problems went away. I love the feel of the V-Drums as well. I do miss the ting of regular Z cymbals and miss the same contact feel on the heads. Enough to sell my TD-50X and buy a kit I would need to make my own again? No.
Good video as always very informative I think everyone was wondering if Zild was going to get into the e kits and there it is man oh man 7000$ Ty for sharing
Looks like a very luxurious ekit. And let’s face it. The cymbals and the snare are always the chilies heel of ekits so getting those right makes a huge difference!
Anyone know how to get the hi-hat to close properly? Working on trying to get it to close correctly. Also, anyone figure out how to get Bluetooth to work with it?
Hmm cymbal runs on cat5 meaning can't use those on a Roland kit (besides the proprietary processing it does, so maybe would never work anyways). A few months ago I had to upgrade my Roland e-drums (got neighbors too close) and I wanted another option because I had it with the Roland Cymbals. Would had loved to check these out before I purchased them.
13:02 I would also add setup flexibility as one of the biggest turn-off of E-kits. Only the highly expensive one that has the flexibility to adjust the setup according to your preferences. Literally almost all the cheaper ones (let's say below $2,000) has a very limited flexibility on how you can adjust them. If the setup isn't up to our preferences, it would often not feel good/comfortable to play with, as we have to compensate more on the shortcomings.
1:52: Ahhh, the old “1 finger cymbal choke”. 😬 And hear how it immediately, IMMEDIATELY- cuts off the sound that would still be resonating within the cymbal and my hand even. 3:16 so the “choke delay time”, does that solve this annoyance with ecymbals? Or, it sounds like that just either varies the amount of pressure you have to put on the cymbal to choke it? Or, how fast..it registers the choke? Idk. If there’s a way. makes it adjust how much it’s actually being muted or, fully silenced?! THAT would be precision control now….
It baffles me how Google's autocaption never improved their misinterpretation of "cymbal" after so many years, it always keep on being misinterpreted as "symbol" on almost every single videos out here in TH-cam.
The cymbals seem interesting. Only thing I didn't like is the choke. It feels like it mutes the sound TOO fast somehow, it's unnatural. But the hihats especially seemed way better than any electronic hats I've seen before.
Once I got past the question of "'Why is Zildjian making drums?", my biggest concern came when rdavidr reached out to choke one of the cymbals. Do these things get stained by touching them, like L80s?
Dear Zildjian. I'm a few minutes in, and those cymbals have blown my mind. EXCEPT! Can the crash (and possibly all the others) have much higher stick definition on the low velocity sounds? It always just sounds like a softer cymbal sound, but in reality as you play a cymbal softer, the ratio of stick noise to cymbal changes... Anywho, What an advancement.
Ok so a bit later in the video, around 11:00 David starts testing some other cymbal sounds. I notice some of his quiet hits sound really good. I suppose the triggering on these is incredibly sophisticated and is responding to the way the cymbal is vibrating. I can imagine how this makes the triggered sounds change from hit to hit? Not sure. All in all, amazing stuff
Network cabling for the cymbals makes sense. Can carry power and signal. There’s a good chance the cymbals have a good amount of voltage for some Power Over Ethernet to cymbal mounted proprietary equipment. That’s innovation
It happens that one of my occasionally favorite sounds is stick sizzle and chain sizzle. Neither of these work well on low noise cymbals. I don't really know how you could do it, given the basic need for momentum, which is supplied by having a good amount of mass. Guess I'll stick with my regular Zildjians for now.
The cymbals sound great but the drum sounds are super weak. Might just be the mix, the cymbals are super loud in the mix and the drums sound like acoustic drums picked up by overheads with no close mics. It was pretty clear the cymbals are the main focus and the drum samples were kind of an afterthought. If it is a mix issue, they should know better and make it sound great before inviting you over to demo it.
These would be great for touring bands in smaller venues, maybe even larger ones too. Also, just because they are RJ45 doesn’t inherently mean that lots of data is passing through. More likely there are using it as a mini-snake to carry balanced signals from the pickups/sensors/whatever.
hmm 🤔what are your thoughts on the kit?
Regardless of what I think I can't afford it
Very different
Expensive
It was kinda hard to hear the drums over the symbols but overall it's amazing but WAY TO EXPENSIVE
Wow
"got a crash, you can ride on it"
*Proceeds to play same crash sound but quieter*
oh yeah, you noticed that too! Mis-triggering is my pet hate with electronic drums, they will never replace the real thing.
@@MattScalesthey will never replace it.. but you can still do 90% of your practicing on it and itll be fine
@@La_sagneit’s called a practice pad. Don’t waste your money on actual garbage (aka electronic drums)
@@MattScalesyou can go in and retrigger it or do a lot more tweaking to you liking
@@Jack_Attack_2580ekits have their benefits and don’t have to cost a first born child.
“rdavidr playing z customs 2010 colorized” got me
This is awesome. One problem though: From the tom hits I can tell right away that there is the same frustrating problem plaguing most every e-kit module: 'machine-gunning'. Frustrating because all it takes is a round-robin between even just 2 different sample sets for each pad zone- easily done through external MIDI.
Might be the firmware, keep in mind this is pre-release. I read somewhere that each drum sound was recorded using three different strokes to provide diversity in sound.
Yes, exactly! I was looking for this. They really figured out the cymbal part but those toms still sound as unlively as all the other edrums :/
for my use case this would be no problem because I'd only ever be using sample libraries in my daw anyways, but for people who want to play with this kit live, yeah that's a major downside. hopefully zildjian is able to fix this problem before release. no $7K kit should have machine gunning
For sure.
I wish they were round robin samples.
tbh, if you're not opting for SD3 or friends, you're sacrificing so much fidelity anyway. I mean, good enough for practice sessions, but if you want it to sound good, you're going for any of the great vst in the first place.
I LOVE how you did that 360 cam when you were talking about the 360 triggers
The HH triggering on this kit looks sooo precise!
That's been my biggest sticking point - There have been so many promising kit that feel chained to a HH trig with crazy latency. I wonder if this is what I thought MIDI 2.x would bring us, better resolution and feel for cymbals.
I almost want this JUST for those hihats. The rubber hihats of my alesis strike pro just don’t feel like real hi hats at all 😢 it’s my number one complain with most ekits
I tried these cymbals and didn't like them. Because they are drilled so much they didn't feel as solid as regular cymbals. Felt kinda mushy. Like the cymbal was flexing more. Luckily my excellent drum shop has a very generous return policy.
Fun useless fact that I'll explain you as both a drum and aviation nerd. The strange sound you hear in the plane at the beginning of the video is the PTU (Power Transfer Unit), which is an hydraulic pump situated in a way you'll hear it do it's job if you seat near the wings during the pushback phase.
This is specific to "older" twin engine Airbus, such as the A330ceo and A320ceo families.
Was the biggest problem that they werent expensive enough? 😅
I wonder if Zildjian will ever consider just an E-cymbal solution (no drums)? I might consider that...
Ya I am hoping they offer them but they won’t be cheap
Now THAT would be something I’d buy in a heartbeat.
the connectors are not compatible with other modules on the market.
If that doesn't change you need an additional zildian-module and a possibility to connect it to your e-kit.
@@steffenpanning2776 Exactly, what I found interesting is it seems like from the back of the module, in theory may be able to connect Roland drums to the Zildjian module because it's the same connector but you cannot add Zildjian E-cymbals to a Roland module. From a marketing perspective, that's pretty smart to stick it to Roland like that.
They did. The Gen 16’s were the first try. These have better pickups and better processing.
If you never heard of them… it explains why they’re not around anymore.
I don't have the budget for one, but I could definitely see this working for quite a few of the musical theater gigs I've had where the acoustics in the rooms were awful. It could be helpful for the sound engineer, rather than just adding mics to the kit, and getting the guitar amps picking up in the drum mics making it more of an annoyance.
There's machine gunning of the drum samples, seems like they aren't using alternating samples which is very disappointing for such an expensive kit
You could always plug it into a computer I guess
@@EnriqueMendoza-bb4fu yeah I mean why buy a multithousand dollar kit and have it be for anything other than a midi controller. You serious buddy?
@@anotheryoutubed Because that is the reality of the situation if you want the best sounds. The drums are like that as well - Rolands multi thousand dollar brains still sound like toys compared to triggering Superior Drummer 3 which is clearly a choice Roland has made. I have a VAD507 Kit and I NEVER use the sounds in the module. It is a very sophisticated and expensive midi -controller.
kinda awesome, i feel like those could be used in acoustic settings as well mic'd up as quiet effect cymbals how you did with some of the comparisons
2:24 you're thinking of the L80's (or is it L20?) These don't function acoustically. IMO, the Evans dB 1's sound best acoustically.
Oh wow...only $7000 😂😂😂
Drumming, I'm convinced. Is a rich person instrument
When you’re into the fancy equipment,yes! But there are plenty of used kits for $500 that you can get to sound decent. Just my opinion 🤘🏼
@@jodan6991exactly lol, literally ON This channel he has shown that the heads matter far more than the drums (withe exceptions)
@@Idolikethisonly if u make it one, plenty of the best drummers in the world came from nothing
Right!? And most of the sounds aren’t even better than the Donner cheapo kits 😂😂
I had to move houses and had to change from an acoustic DW drum set and I upgraded to the Roland VAD716 Electronic Drum Set and it works like a charm. I’m in love with it right now. I would 100% recommend.
Looks pretty comparable to to a high end Roland kit in about the same or lower price range. I'm really intrigued by this set and would like to know the closest location to NYC where I can check them out. I'm glad Zildjian had you out there.
Why don’t just sell the cymbals and a specialise cymbals module that you can use with other modules?
They already tried it with the gen16, 10 years ago
@@robertoop hum… Will check that. But maybe the technology now is better for that?
@3:11 dude… how did you get that effect?
Interesting proposal tbh, I hope this concept expands more, so you could use and explore different sounds on it with more interchangeable parts on the kit!
Just got this kit set up for my church, this kit blew my mind when I found out the snare actually had a snare wire on the bottom of it.
Sounds amazing. I wonder why they bothered with the maple shells, as the acoustic attributes of the drums really don't matter. Could save the customer some of that price tag with plastic or even pine shells. Small nitpick.
I am listening with headphones and the cymbals definitely sound amazing. I believe in time that kit will set new standards for e drums of the future.
Plant…
The cymbals look like they respond well, but man those drum samples are terrible, you can hear the same sample triggering over and over, it just sounds like a bad bedroom producer making drum sounds. Not worth $700, definitely not worth $7000
Surely you can use whatever samples you want if you plug them into a daw.
It's the trigger settings.
Samples are better quality than ever, and the hardware has been sorted for a decade.
I've heard worse, but they do sound like ezDrummer lite.
Very cool! I wish I had these silent options when I was a kid, I’d have been able to play so much more often.
What I really like about the eCymbals is the lower profile connector(s) underneath the symbals - as opposed to the larger boxy sensor ... boxes .. on most others. I WISH Zildjan would offer the eCymbals piecemeal or in packs (and that they're compatible with other modules)
That would be ideal 👍
This setup could be interesting for an hybrid kit. Such as recording real shells in a nice sounding room but having more control over the cymbals in post.
The cymbals are really cool and seem to have good module sounds, but for 7000$, you can build a custom e kit with full acrylic shells, real feel mesh heads, and a pearl mimic pro module. I know this because I've literally done that. This pricing is insane. It's really a shame that Zildjan has decided to go with digital connections for the cymbals, because I think it would generally make way more sense to have the option to sell cymbal packs in addition to the full e kit. The people who would be interested in these cymbals, like me, probably already have high end custom/Roland/DW ekits and wouldn't want to shell out ludicrous prices when they only want the cymbals. I doubt these will sell TBH.
Unless they have the most revolutionary pads in the game, they won't... and they don't.
as a stage sound engineering, I'd might use only the e-cymbals for a stage perfomances in small clubs cuz the acoustics there might really suck and the cymbals are so loud so they cover all the instruments
Extremely impressed with those e-cymbals to be quite honest. Very nice indeed.
I've just recently embarked on the rather lengthy DIY endeavor of converting my old 80-90's era Mapex Mars Series acoustic 4pc shell pack into an E-kit.
I've started with an old Roland TD-6v module, Remo silent stroke heads, Ddrum Redshot triggers, Lemon cymbals, and actually managed to snag an old Boom Theory Space Muffins 12" dual zone snare in great shape for just $70 off of Reverb!
So far the project is going rather well aside from the endless parameter tweaking and so on, although the Redshot kick trigger leaves quite much to be desired IMO.
I'm actually thinking about just getting a cheap $20 Pintech trigger and literally gluing it to the bass drum head a bit closer to the strike zone for more accuracy.
Also, the Roland TD-6v came well before triple zone cymbals were common, so I've been pondering with possibly picking up an additional Roland TD-4 module on the cheap to exclusively handle my Vh-11 hi-hat controller, triple zone ride, and dual zone crashes.
It's a work in progress, although I kind of knew that going in so...
No worries.
Great demo and content BTW dude!
I've been aspiring to eventually start making my own content soon, although responsible adulting and being a parent takes center stage currently. Ha!
Keep being awesome my dude!
Cheers!
Is Zildjian already selling cymbal sample packs for these kits?
You know, like "Elvin Jones K pack" or "Simon Phillips custom cymbal pack"?
I know they plan to release packs for download. Whether you have to pay for them or not, im not sure.
@@rdavidr Good to know.....I was totally speculating that that might be a thing.....makes sense to do that. thanks dude.
For the algorithm. ✊
For the algorhythm! 👍
@@Santaheckler 😎✊
TRUEEE
That's when Al Gore plays the drums. His rhythm of course.
I have to know: do you have a shortcut / text replacement for this phrase?
I was not that much impressed by the sound of the drums itself but the CYMBALS are realy freaking me out! AWESOME!
If you can afford a $7,000 toy, you can afford a place to practice where no one will complain about the volume...
Anyway electric drums is still lound and ppl will complain even more becouse they hear only knocking not music
Second thing renting room is relly cheap.
rooms by the hour is like 2$/h if you have plates if not 3$/h. If you have band and some friend band you can ez get great room for 300-400$ month
I can afford a $7000 toy because I have no other possessions
@@oxfordbambooshootify with playing always problem is the nosie im playing trumpet for 20 years and already somone point gun at me becouse trumpet is loud mate
That is a weird take. 7k is not even close to a free standing house lmao. Those are around 600-700 k where I live.
Also a toy? ....
@@bingbong6066 he didn't say "buy a house". There are practice rooms, you can rent.
So the hi-hat and the cymbals with half the module.... You can say a better version of Gen16 with separate outs for the cymbals. Price tag on that?
Does anyone know if the hats still have an issue with inverting if you get to stomping too hard?
I've played this kit and it's very expensive for what it is. It's great and the cymbals are very nice but it's not a total revolution like they market. I expected it to be some sort of system that picks up the actual sounds of the cymbals and through some technology, morph that into a 'real' cymbal sound but... no it's just kind of L80 cymbals with really decent triggering. The rest of the kit is nothing you can't make at home out of any old kit if you just buy some nice dedicated triggers and mesh heads.
What about Zildjian Alchem-E cymbals paired with DW E kick snare and toms?
is there any change in sound of the cymbals sounds as you move up and down the bow between the edge and the bell?
HH is impressive... Also like that there's 1 more tom inputs and a few cymbals... NIce!
why have a ful maple shell acoustic kit just to have pickups..
Agreed. If the look of a real kit is wanted, why not make them out of a composite/plastic for less weight and money?
You're in my neck of the woods! Did you happen to take a trip out to the Noble Cooley factory about 2 hours from there?
9:36 That hats sound quite like a ticking clock
I just can't seem to avoid eKits either ... cause they are awesome!! 🤘😄 Love the kit, love the video dude.
How does it work with superior/ezdrunmer in terms of hh realism
One of the best sounding and looking e kits I have ever seen. The only problem is the average person cannot afford them.
Good video as always from rdvaidr. Great looking product. Pricey to say the least. The big question for me is when the high hats are struck with a stick how many discrete states (sounds) can the module produce between fully closed and fully open? My Rolands TD17 module has 4. Acoustic hi hat cymbals of course are pretty much infinite in this regard. I'm kind of a Ringo guy and he was the master of slight variations in high hat ride IMO. I would like to have seen that question answered but aside from that, a very nice demo video.
Inteface on the module seems really laggy, I assume this is still not the final version of that software? Not a big deal at the end of day but if the base is 45 hundos I hope they can iron out such kinks at release.
They're probably saving money on the module by using some cheap ARM SoC instead of something better. If they used something better, the whole thing would have to cost 10 grand.
Nice review fella. Thanks.
Man I really dig the freestyle sticks. I have been craving that extra inch for years. The Danny Carey sticks are alright with the taper as well.. but the freestyles are almost perfect.
The irony of this, in my humble opinion, is that these cymbals sound better, overall, than their acoustic cymbals. I think they incorporated the best of all worlds in these. Bravo to you and to Zildjian.
Can I use these e-cymbals with my Roland TD-30KV module? Any issues?
All of these kits are wayyyyyyyy too expensive.
Maybe I’m weird…If i take an e-kit out, its for portability as much as volume control…not sure I understand this trend of carrying around a full size drum kit/stands just to hold a bunch of triggers up in the air. And with that price tag…I’d rather buy an actual pro acoustic kit, real Zildjian cymbals and stands, and put the rest of the moolah back in the bank…
Agreed. I pickup my Alesis e-kit on its rack and my Macbook running BFD and put it in the back of my truck in one trip. No way I'm into an e-kit that is as much work to haul around as a regular acoustic kit.
does is sound good? yes. does it look good, yeah.. is it worth 7k HHEEEELL NO!
You need a Dankpods Drum Thing Zil Lamp 👌
Might help brighten things up a bit lol
Hey rdavidr big fan love your vids keep it up♥️
The cymbals remind me a lot of the L80 cymbals. What is the finish on them? I have a set of L80s, but don't like to use them for extended practice, because the rough finish sands down the tips of my sticks.
Do you use wood or nylon tip? I have a set of hats for a practice pad set up, but I covered the top hat with some fabric to dampen the volume.
@@jessegray8523I use wood tips. I doubt that nylon tips would be affected in the same way. I actually like the way the L80 cymbals sound, but my sticks ended up looking like the Carter McLean signature sticks.
Okay wow, this kit is quite cool! As someone who's never going to be able to play an acoustic kit in their home, something like this would be incredibly cool, but it's way out of my price range 😢 Thanks for showing it to us!
Does anybody hate ekit toms? I don’t know if it’s just me but I can just hear the triggering, and it is triggering lol.
Yeah, they really just don't sound correct. Sort of the uncanny valley.
Exactly. Charging thousands for the high end ekits and the toms sound no better than those on kits costing a fraction of the price
I can see a metal song intro that uses the acoustic sound of this kit with a lo fi version of the guitar riff before switching to the electronic sound to play a fill before the guitars come in
Knocked Loose did a thing once where they played the DI from the guitar track before busting into the riff, similar thing
Can you rim click without your palm on the snare drum like the DWe doesn't allow? @rdavidr
I don't need electronic drums, but an electronic Zildjian module would be something I would want. Imagine being able to dial up any possible Zildjian configuration.
It looks and sounds great. If I had to make the decision again about what E-kit to buy, this Z kit would be right up in the mix!!! I got a td50 back in 17 and have not looked back. I added the digital hat to the snare and ride and all the hat quality problems went away. I love the feel of the V-Drums as well. I do miss the ting of regular Z cymbals and miss the same contact feel on the heads. Enough to sell my TD-50X and buy a kit I would need to make my own again? No.
Good video as always very informative I think everyone was wondering if Zild was going to get into the e kits and there it is man oh man 7000$ Ty for sharing
I'd be curious how intuitive cymbal swells are on those cymbals
The fact that they’re not called Z Drums is a missed opportunity.
What happened to Gen 16s and that module? I used to play the original iteration, and it wasn’t terrible.
Looks like a very luxurious ekit. And let’s face it. The cymbals and the snare are always the chilies heel of ekits so getting those right makes a huge difference!
Anyone know how to get the hi-hat to close properly? Working on trying to get it to close correctly. Also, anyone figure out how to get Bluetooth to work with it?
Will the Zildjian electronic cymbals work with the Roland TD-30KV brain module?
If I had 7k, I'd totally get this kit. Plus I'd need a bigger house too. Zildjian definitely is a quality brand.
Hmm cymbal runs on cat5 meaning can't use those on a Roland kit (besides the proprietary processing it does, so maybe would never work anyways). A few months ago I had to upgrade my Roland e-drums (got neighbors too close) and I wanted another option because I had it with the Roland Cymbals. Would had loved to check these out before I purchased them.
I wasn’t too convinced at the sounds until 11:20. That sounds exactly like the my ride cymbal.
i believe this might be an improvement to the previous gen16 line?
This is a great kit but omg is it way more expensive than I thought
im working on opensource kit... you can literary print it...
@@AkiWataruyou can put a piezo on anything, it’s the sounds that matter…
Yea it’s like 7,000 I want it for Christmas hopefully I can get it
Hey, I'm interested in this open source kit, do you have a link or resources I can check out? @@AkiWataru
there is a less expensive version, but it is not cheap either
Zildjian ALCHEM-E Bronze
13:02 I would also add setup flexibility as one of the biggest turn-off of E-kits. Only the highly expensive one that has the flexibility to adjust the setup according to your preferences. Literally almost all the cheaper ones (let's say below $2,000) has a very limited flexibility on how you can adjust them. If the setup isn't up to our preferences, it would often not feel good/comfortable to play with, as we have to compensate more on the shortcomings.
2:10 it doesn't sound like that's a 3 zone cymbal?
3:50 - A really nice touch that Zildjian put the St. Anger kit option on the drum module.
These look fun to play and sound good but how good is its module ?
1:52: Ahhh, the old “1 finger cymbal choke”. 😬
And hear how it immediately, IMMEDIATELY- cuts off the sound that would still be resonating within the cymbal and my hand even.
3:16 so the “choke delay time”, does that solve this annoyance with ecymbals? Or, it sounds like that just either varies the amount of pressure you have to put on the cymbal to choke it? Or, how fast..it registers the choke? Idk. If there’s a way. makes it adjust how much it’s actually being muted or, fully silenced?! THAT would be precision control now….
Those are the most realistic sounding electronic cymbals I’ve heard. Out of my price range, but nicely done, Zildjan!
i dont know until i played them. what i do know is that the future of e-drums is exciting!
.....toms sound a little machine gunny though :D
Can you do a review on the "NUX DM-210" kit
It baffles me how Google's autocaption never improved their misinterpretation of "cymbal" after so many years, it always keep on being misinterpreted as "symbol" on almost every single videos out here in TH-cam.
The cymbals seem interesting. Only thing I didn't like is the choke. It feels like it mutes the sound TOO fast somehow, it's unnatural. But the hihats especially seemed way better than any electronic hats I've seen before.
Yeah it sounds like a heavy gate.
But by 3:15 seems you can do something about it (?) (He talks about "delay")
Zildjian did this 10+years ago with the Gen16 cymbals and those were great but this is one heck of an improvement
That hi-hat sounds amazing. They can go pound sand at these prices though.
Once I got past the question of "'Why is Zildjian making drums?", my biggest concern came when rdavidr reached out to choke one of the cymbals. Do these things get stained by touching them, like L80s?
Can u do a mapex venus VS yamaha rydeen video??
2:32 it almost sounds like a crash
I wonder if you could use the cymbals on other ekit. That would be cool
I have a roland VAD506. I hope Roland has something similar in the works. Sucks that these cymbals wouldnt work with the TD27 module.
Dear Zildjian. I'm a few minutes in, and those cymbals have blown my mind. EXCEPT! Can the crash (and possibly all the others) have much higher stick definition on the low velocity sounds? It always just sounds like a softer cymbal sound, but in reality as you play a cymbal softer, the ratio of stick noise to cymbal changes... Anywho, What an advancement.
Ok so a bit later in the video, around 11:00 David starts testing some other cymbal sounds. I notice some of his quiet hits sound really good. I suppose the triggering on these is incredibly sophisticated and is responding to the way the cymbal is vibrating. I can imagine how this makes the triggered sounds change from hit to hit? Not sure. All in all, amazing stuff
David, I assume the answer is yes, but can you use these cymbals on a Roland module?
crazy how many amazing grooves you packed into this video. Zildjian Gods are pleased. Haha! Great job dude! Long time fan from your state. \\m//
Network cabling for the cymbals makes sense. Can carry power and signal.
There’s a good chance the cymbals have a good amount of voltage for some
Power Over Ethernet to cymbal mounted proprietary equipment. That’s innovation
It happens that one of my occasionally favorite sounds is stick sizzle and chain sizzle. Neither of these work well on low noise cymbals. I don't really know how you could do it, given the basic need for momentum, which is supplied by having a good amount of mass. Guess I'll stick with my regular Zildjians for now.
The cymbals sound great but the drum sounds are super weak. Might just be the mix, the cymbals are super loud in the mix and the drums sound like acoustic drums picked up by overheads with no close mics. It was pretty clear the cymbals are the main focus and the drum samples were kind of an afterthought. If it is a mix issue, they should know better and make it sound great before inviting you over to demo it.
Sounds pretty good but is is quiet enough to make an electric kit worth it?
These would be great for touring bands in smaller venues, maybe even larger ones too.
Also, just because they are RJ45 doesn’t inherently mean that lots of data is passing through. More likely there are using it as a mini-snake to carry balanced signals from the pickups/sensors/whatever.
Cool! David sounds cool!
Is "algorithm" code for "sample with more than 5 possible sounds"?