One thing I think often gets overlooked in David’s videos is how he manages to find the perfect musical context to use everything he’s showcasing to highlight their ultimate potential. 👌
I just love your videos, and I am so grateful that you share your projects with us. Not only is your information super interesting, your delivery presented in such an entertaining manner. Thank you for being here for us.
Sabian does make cup chimes! They're just stupidly expensive because they're grouped under the Terry Bozio Radia lineup. They sell 7/8/9 Radia Cup Chimes...I have the 7" and it's the equivalent to the Zildjian Matt Griener blast bell :)
@@the_minimalistic_adventure i actually heard that they recently shut down the custom shop! Likely due to COVID but they haven't made any note about when it will reopen
@@rdavidr Matt Greiner from August Burns Red had his Blast Bell produced by Sabian prior to Zildjian making it even though he was never endorsed by Sabian
Both the 3-cymbal stack and the Saluda china were my favorites, hands down. The stack worked well and probably worked even better with just two of them (the two chinas, that is). Smaller chinas (8” and 10” especially) work better as stack cymbals, anyways. The Saluda china sounded WAY better than I thought it was going to. It’s just the right amount of sustain, wash, and exotic flavor. Hell, I’d buy that from you if & when you were to ever sell it.
2:48 DUDE ZBT splashes make the perfect stacks. I have two stacks, one with expensive cymbals and one with cheap ones, and the cheap stack with the ZBT sound sooo good.
I have a Paiste 21" Ride Prototype that I love, it sounds great and I found it at guitar center in great condition for like 180. Only thing is I wish the bell was a little bigger but its not too bad.
that 2nd prototype might have an insanely long title, but i love the tone of it! honestly my fav. as far as the experiments of splash/mini china stacks, i liked the 2nd stack option the best.
I liked the cup chimes. I think they had a great sound when played together. I also like the extra large hi-hats and the riveted hi-hat. That thing had fantastic sizzle.
If you ask me, Sabian is the king of 16" hats, whether they're prototypes or crash hats that you make yourself. I use two 16" HH Medium thin crashes as hats. Oh, man...
I own a Sabian AAX 17" Mega Bell Ride I got in 2017. Brilliant finish with a massive raw bell, and about 20 or so holes drilled around the bell. I was looking for something that sounded like Mario Duplantier's ride. It was cheaper than the Zildjian equivalent and looked way cooler lol
4:38 I have a cymbal like that it used to be a 16 inch Agazarian crash cymbal until the cymbal cracked then I had a A guy Named Timothy Roberts Cymbals he lathe and modify the cymbal and he cut it into the shape of a bell hes partnered with reverie drums and stack ring percussion. The modified cymbal makes a good cymbal stack sir
4:48 Or perhaps they sliced down some of their larger splash cymbals to make these 6s. I don't know why they'd do this, but a stamp centered on a cymbals edge is a bit weird and hard to explain otherwise.
That breakdown was hilarious. China sounded great aswell. My favorite stack you made must've been the one with the L cymbal on top. Lots of white noise in there which I prefer on stacks.
the best crash cymbal I ever heard, let alone owned, was an 18" Sabian, simply marked "18 in. Rock Crash" with a giant AA stamp on it. I emailed Sabian pictures of the cymbal, and they were like "That's a prototype, but idk which year." Well too bad for them, bc that crash was perfect and I want that cymbal back, but now I'll never see it again. I want that crash back. Sad face.
A few years ago I ended up with the 24" version prototype of what became a 22" production model Zildjian cymbal. It was really cool to have, but the sound wasn't really there.
I love the trash smash crash bash slash thing. The Sabian inverted china splash made some killer stacks. That Bosphorus trash crash is hella nasty sweet. And can we talk about your breakdown face...?!
I really liked the stack with the 10" L80 on top. Also, I was hoping you would try the 16" HH King on the bottom for the hi hat. That Saluda China would be on every Metal drummer's kit if they knew about it. I loved it!
I have a prototype Zildjian flat ride, one of only 3 in existence. I have one, my old drum teacher has one, and the other one Zildjian has. It doesn't sound all that good as a ride but as a crash type thing it sounds really unique
Random thought, but what if you customized a bassdrum head to have something like a doggy door likely best done by cutting the head and using a velcro adjustment system. I'm wondering if you get the intial resonated thud but with a really fast decay. Use a velcro locking mechanism that allows you to keep the "door" closed to have a traditional sounding kick. Not sure if this is been done before but if not please try it!
I think that Sabian lamp shade thing is probably a Carmine Appice custom model (ddrum makes it now). The flat edge on the ride might be a sound control protoype of some sorts.
Dude! I’m a Saluda endorser! I need to get one of those double chinas! I’ve got a reverse bell china from them and it’s one of the favorite cymbals I’ve ever owned.
I don't know how I discovered this channel since I'm not a drummer, but I'm glad I did. Even though I can't appreciate this stuff like actual drummers do, I'm learning quite a bit. This is a great channel and you're a very talented drummer (and apparently, based on other videos I've seen, very skilled in metalwork and woodwork. Is there any part of a drum you can't build? Lol).
Sabian made a cup chime with the Terry Bozzio Radia line, as well as making one out of a silver metal, i think it may be aluminum. I picked one up at a Sabian Vault show a few years back. Very interesting.
Are you talking about the Alu Bells? They have a very soft and pretty sound and are actually tuned to notes. I have a 9" which is A and. 7" which is D. Beautiful instruments and very lightweight.
@@Dan-hc1ow It seems so- but this one was in a prototype group so I am not sure where it fell in relation to production or its tuning. You are right, it sounds beautiful. I never played it relative to any other music, only as an accent piece. I treasure it not only for what it is, but that it serves as a memory for the day I bought. The show was outside, the weather was spectacular and the Sabian staff were very personable. That music store location closed a few years later and every time I drive by that area it is just sad. Ding the bell for better days.
Anyone remember Sabians viewers choice thing or whatever it was called? There was so much weird shit that didn't make the cut. Nonetheless they were made. So where are they hiding for david to try!?
Any chance you could have a go at building your own snare drum? See how hard the process is and try to make as many of the parts as you can - would be keen to see you Mr David have a go. thanks!
Which Prototype is your favorite?
My firstborn
19” hybrid thing
That stack was crisp
The hybrid
My favorites was the hybrid crash and that stack cymbal
Fun fact: HH stands for "hand hammered" and AA stands for "automated anvil."
I really didn't knew that! Ty!
What does the AAX stand for?
@@tommaybury IDK but I guess extra or extreme?
@@JazzyJonas that makes sense
@@tommaybury “eXplosion.” They actually used to say “AAXplosion Crash” on them but I guess it’s just simply “AAX crash” now.
One thing I think often gets overlooked in David’s videos is how he manages to find the perfect musical context to use everything he’s showcasing to highlight their ultimate potential. 👌
He’s unassuming on the cover, but he’s a Session drummer.
Prototypes are always cool to see. Especially the ones that are lost to time.
100% agree. I don't make it out to drum stores too often anymore, but I remember seeing a lot of cool Sabian and Paiste cymbals
"Will it Stack" is my new favorite game show on youtube
I just love your videos, and I am so grateful that you share your projects with us. Not only is your information super interesting, your delivery presented in such an entertaining manner. Thank you for being here for us.
Sabian does make cup chimes! They're just stupidly expensive because they're grouped under the Terry Bozio Radia lineup. They sell 7/8/9 Radia Cup Chimes...I have the 7" and it's the equivalent to the Zildjian Matt Griener blast bell :)
True. But these are AA and HH which they never made as a catalog item
Sabian will make anything custom for you, too!
@@the_minimalistic_adventure i actually heard that they recently shut down the custom shop! Likely due to COVID but they haven't made any note about when it will reopen
The China/splash stack at 3:00 actually sounds gnarly, I would totally use that
Sabian definitely makes (made?) other cup chimes. There was a whole bunch of them in the Terry Bozzio Radia series of cymbals.
dang, dont know I forgot about those! haha
@@rdavidr Matt Greiner from August Burns Red had his Blast Bell produced by Sabian prior to Zildjian making it even though he was never endorsed by Sabian
Are Jack DeJohnette's OM Bells cup chimes?
1:09 "Hi there, my name is Jared and THIS.... is the QUESTIONABLE GARAGE."
Tbh 4:05 I loved when you put the l80 on it. It sounded so good. To me.
Both the 3-cymbal stack and the Saluda china were my favorites, hands down.
The stack worked well and probably worked even better with just two of them (the two chinas, that is). Smaller chinas (8” and 10” especially) work better as stack cymbals, anyways.
The Saluda china sounded WAY better than I thought it was going to. It’s just the right amount of sustain, wash, and exotic flavor. Hell, I’d buy that from you if & when you were to ever sell it.
Great video. Those 16" hats that you made from the two prototypes sounded great. The only thing about that is they would cost $1000 retail. 😮
8:21 I like it, Saluda: mission accomplished.
The breakdown of the double China was awesome. Your face! 😂 Plus, I thought the double China sounded really good.
Dude I hope you see this but your videos helped me SO MUCH getting started drumming ❤
2:48 DUDE ZBT splashes make the perfect stacks.
I have two stacks, one with expensive cymbals and one with cheap ones, and the cheap stack with the ZBT sound sooo good.
1:15 the part where he went ham on the hyrbid cymbal sounded soooo goooooodddd
If bro has a prototype drum set, then that complete the set. EVEN THE SNARE
Stack at 3:00 sounded so good!
I have a Paiste 21" Ride Prototype that I love, it sounds great and I found it at guitar center in great condition for like 180. Only thing is I wish the bell was a little bigger but its not too bad.
i love that 19" trashy K crash
The double china pentagon thing was actually really good lol
that 2nd prototype might have an insanely long title, but i love the tone of it! honestly my fav. as far as the experiments of splash/mini china stacks, i liked the 2nd stack option the best.
I liked the cup chimes. I think they had a great sound when played together. I also like the extra large hi-hats and the riveted hi-hat. That thing had fantastic sizzle.
Bonus points for the Donner acrylic with stock head!
I liked that stacked L-80 splash sound and the 19" K custom hybrid. I like that it had a nice crash with quick decay.
Dude such a great groove at 3:35 the cymbal stack was dope too!
If Sabian does not produce the 16" hi hats, I'm legit gonna riot
If you ask me, Sabian is the king of 16" hats, whether they're prototypes or crash hats that you make yourself. I use two 16" HH Medium thin crashes as hats. Oh, man...
The L80 stack 🔥
Hell yeah I swear to god I'm going after this sound
That game of will it stack was fun! It would be cool to see a giant stack with like 10 small cymbals. Or maybe a game of will it hihat.
"If I was in an Alice in Chains cover band maybe" dead
7:24. Channelling Terry Bozzio 🔥
I'd say Chad Wackerman, since he was using them upside-down.
I own a Sabian AAX 17" Mega Bell Ride I got in 2017. Brilliant finish with a massive raw bell, and about 20 or so holes drilled around the bell. I was looking for something that sounded like Mario Duplantier's ride. It was cheaper than the Zildjian equivalent and looked way cooler lol
a rdavidr on my birthday is crazy, today I also get my first drum set. wild
letssss gooooooo!
Man that last one filled up so much frequency space in the mix
That prototype stack sounds incredible. I need to try and get my hands on it.
that china is incredible
I never thought I would hear "Bob Lazar" being used to describe a cymbal
That breakdown look! Priceless! I laughed out loud.
4:38 I have a cymbal like that it used to be a 16 inch Agazarian crash cymbal until the cymbal cracked then I had a A guy Named Timothy Roberts Cymbals he lathe and modify the cymbal and he cut it into the shape of a bell hes partnered with reverie drums and stack ring percussion. The modified cymbal makes a good cymbal stack sir
4:48 Or perhaps they sliced down some of their larger splash cymbals to make these 6s. I don't know why they'd do this, but a stamp centered on a cymbals edge is a bit weird and hard to explain otherwise.
That breakdown was hilarious.
China sounded great aswell.
My favorite stack you made must've been the one with the L cymbal on top. Lots of white noise in there which I prefer on stacks.
Cymbal manufacturer: Here's a stack, its made up of 2 cymbals so we're gonna charge you 3 times the price
Me: You think I'm an idiot or what???
the best crash cymbal I ever heard, let alone owned, was an 18" Sabian, simply marked "18 in. Rock Crash" with a giant AA stamp on it.
I emailed Sabian pictures of the cymbal, and they were like "That's a prototype, but idk which year."
Well too bad for them, bc that crash was perfect and I want that cymbal back, but now I'll never see it again.
I want that crash back.
Sad face.
Oh, man! 😭. Did you have to sell it?
Yeah, I had to get rid of my drum kit for space and $$ and that cymbal went along with it. :( @@Dan-hc1ow
L80 stack sounds great.
I like also 16,18 or 20" thin Chinas with "silent" cymbals as stack for breakdowns etc
A few years ago I ended up with the 24" version prototype of what became a 22" production model Zildjian cymbal. It was really cool to have, but the sound wasn't really there.
Sabian still makes cup chimes! A little known guy named Terry Bozzio has about 20 of the on his kit, HH Radias look it up!!
personally i really liked the l80 stacked with the mini china, has a lot of character to it
edit: i was there for the saluda days :)
I can imagine a guitarist or vocalist watching this at the 6:40 point and wondering "Are all you drummers on crack or WHAT?!" ;)
I love the trash smash crash bash slash thing. The Sabian inverted china splash made some killer stacks. That Bosphorus trash crash is hella nasty sweet. And can we talk about your breakdown face...?!
This mini stack NAILED IT. Where do I buy thooooooose
7:51 My boy was endorsed by Saluda. They have some nice sounding cymbals.
I really liked the stack with the 10" L80 on top. Also, I was hoping you would try the 16" HH King on the bottom for the hi hat. That Saluda China would be on every Metal drummer's kit if they knew about it. I loved it!
I have a prototype Zildjian flat ride, one of only 3 in existence. I have one, my old drum teacher has one, and the other one Zildjian has. It doesn't sound all that good as a ride but as a crash type thing it sounds really unique
1:10 Hello and welcome to the Questionable Garage 😂
Random thought, but what if you customized a bassdrum head to have something like a doggy door likely best done by cutting the head and using a velcro adjustment system. I'm wondering if you get the intial resonated thud but with a really fast decay. Use a velcro locking mechanism that allows you to keep the "door" closed to have a traditional sounding kick. Not sure if this is been done before but if not please try it!
Damn u had me hype bot account
All of those stacks you tried sounded great!
I think that Sabian lamp shade thing is probably a Carmine Appice custom model (ddrum makes it now). The flat edge on the ride might be a sound control protoype of some sorts.
That's what I was thinking. Sounded very controlled. Oh, maybe it was the Cymbal Vote Groove Control!
the bob lazar cymbal goes crazy bro
Maybe we need a cymbal made of element 115 🤔
6:40 makes me think Tim Alexander’s Eleven drum intros from the Fromage/Hallucino tours
The mini China sounds good by itself and really good stacked imo. Totally usable as a second splash
Totally agree!
And we love you, David. Love your videos 🤘🏻
Love these kind of uploads...keep up the good work!
1:33 this backing track is amazing! It sounds like foo fighters
"... not a fan of the K Custom hybrid line-"
I love your channel and all ur info Ruh-David-Err, but BOOO THIS MAN 🤣
To tell you the truth , the first stack jumped out for me. I also liked the second stack to. Loved the video.
Your videos are the best. Thanks for inspiration.
I was really expecting him to put those 6" ones together and make a mini hihat. That would actually be pretty neat.
Ha! I was thinking he should try it with the 8"!
Dude! I’m a Saluda endorser! I need to get one of those double chinas! I’ve got a reverse bell china from them and it’s one of the favorite cymbals I’ve ever owned.
4:17 “If I was in an Alice In Chains cover band, then yeah, definitely.”
*can’t unhear it now*
2nd and 3rd stack were dope! The double China sounds brutal!
The Saluda deserves more love, great sound
I don't know how I discovered this channel since I'm not a drummer, but I'm glad I did. Even though I can't appreciate this stuff like actual drummers do, I'm learning quite a bit.
This is a great channel and you're a very talented drummer (and apparently, based on other videos I've seen, very skilled in metalwork and woodwork. Is there any part of a drum you can't build? Lol).
Those rivets at 5:20 sounded beautiful
I liked the mini china best with the L80.
The small china cymbal is like a Paiste Novo China. but small.
Thats cool!
Great video! I absolutely love those chimes 😍
HEY WHATS THE FIRAT SONG YOU PLAYED WITH THE TRASH SMASH TRASH CRASH THING I LOVE IT SM
I was distracted the whole time by how good that Donner snare drum sounded! 😄
Sabian made a cup chime with the Terry Bozzio Radia line, as well as making one out of a silver metal, i think it may be aluminum. I picked one up at a Sabian Vault show a few years back. Very interesting.
Are you talking about the Alu Bells? They have a very soft and pretty sound and are actually tuned to notes. I have a 9" which is A and. 7" which is D. Beautiful instruments and very lightweight.
@@Dan-hc1ow It seems so- but this one was in a prototype group so I am not sure where it fell in relation to production or its tuning. You are right, it sounds beautiful. I never played it relative to any other music, only as an accent piece. I treasure it not only for what it is, but that it serves as a memory for the day I bought. The show was outside, the weather was spectacular and the Sabian staff were very personable. That music store location closed a few years later and every time I drive by that area it is just sad. Ding the bell for better days.
the lick with those cups kinda would be perfect for songs about plumbing it has a hollow sewer tunnel sound to em and high hats need to be huuuge
The one at the end is KILLER!
Anyone remember Sabians viewers choice thing or whatever it was called? There was so much weird shit that didn't make the cut. Nonetheless they were made. So where are they hiding for david to try!?
I've been checking everyday for new videos from you. You should post more. Do more diys. Sell some gear on reverb.
That 10” mini China prototype is perfectly shaped for stacking.
That was a dope shoegazey grunge vibe at 1:45.
this man has the most chilled out idea of bashing on a cymbal 😂😊
i like that double china. the chime demonstration reminded me that i do not like those little things
What about those 8" chimes as hi-hats? 😆
Ah the cup chimes... definitely brings back the 70s and 80s vibes.
My god, that double China cymbal sounds so good
Bro that bass drum sounds sooooooo nice
Any chance you could have a go at building your own snare drum? See how hard the process is and try to make as many of the parts as you can - would be keen to see you Mr David have a go. thanks!
Both the 3-cymbal stack and the china were my absolute favourites!!!
The 19 inch crash and 20 inch crash and the 22 inch ride
Love those sabian chimes, sound cool
Prototype and frank Zappa go great together hence his music was experimental
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