5000 series DW was good enough for every hit record for a couple of decades, I'm not complaining getting a set of it on an e-kit. Seems like overkill, tbh
@@theflint7692 If you think that most of those people were playing DW hardware, clearly you've never heard of Tama, Sonor, Axis or Pearl. The Iron Cobra is... *BY FAR*... the most popular set of pedals on the planet. And it was used far far far more than DW 5000s ever were, especially in the studio.
I’m a touring drum tech with an international pop star and me, the drummer and our FoH guy have been talking about doing a live kit that is partially DWe. Maybe do kick, a couple of snares and one or two toms. That way we could skip out on all the Roland PD8s, KT10 etc (and cables) and look way cooler with a huge kit and still having the possibility to do samples, claps, e-snares etc on real looking drums. We need to explore how well it the software works with MIDI, time code etc and how easy it would be for our backtracks/midi-tech to combine them with ableton.
when using an e kit, your absolute best bet for drum sounds is using a drum vst like ezdrummer or addictive drums. usually the stock sounds are horrendous. (unless they’re great then use stock!!)
well., not really.. still decades behind SD3 triggered from pads. this is 6 years ago and SMOKES any ekit today.. also the cymbals for instance af way better and very natural feeling and looking! th-cam.com/video/KLutgMnHhS4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2-7J1N0jw-hkD2iO th-cam.com/video/xTzoZEnrD48/w-d-xo.html
The price i actually understand because it can be converted to an actual acoustic kit. What i wonder the most is the durability of the triggers and cymbals over time from someone that would jam to it almost daily. I honestly see the electronic side of that kit having problems down the line with the cymbals bending and cracking and signal loss from the triggers.
I see no reason for the triggers or cymbals to fail as they’re all just very simple electronic parts. If one of the cables would rip, a soldering iron does the job and replacement piezos cost around 4 bucks
Maybe it's just me being older ( and not wanting to lug too much stuff these days) but I've never seen the sense of having an e kit be as bulky as a real one. One of the cool things about a small E Kit is you can lug most of it with one hand. I do think these look cooler and I can see the visual appeal but on a more practical side sseems like as much or more work as hauling an acoustic kit, plus you gotta plug everything in and hope all the cables work and so on. And for 9k? You coukd get a decent set of wheels or 4 or 5 decent kits, both acoustic and E, for that money. If you can afford it and you don't mind hauling it I guess it's pretty cool but not my thing
It's wireless. Completely. There is not a single wire connected to the kit itself. The only extra piece that this has is the hub which is rough the size of a pack of cigarettes. And that needs to connect to a laptop and can connect directly to a mixer eliminating the need for microphones completely
I agree! I've been playing Roland V-Drums, Live for the past three years. NOBODY pays any attention to the LOOKS! The band, the audience...NOBODY! It's nice to carry four toms to the stage in one trip.
Yeah totally. Hey, for the same $9k go ahead and find me another rig that gives you a top tier maple kit AND a bleeding edge technology electronic kit, I’ll wait here.
I am guessing there will be one sooner or later, as there are so many players out there not looking for another kit they can use acoustically. Why have a gorgeous DW shell as base for an electronic kit? The change over is too much of a hassle for many.
I had the Roland’s when they first came out. As the computers got more powerful so did the sounds in software kits. I think these are very convincing. Too expensive for my budget but they seemed to have nailed the sounds.
I just loved this video, for so many reasons. For one, it was very entertaining!!!! Love your delivery and comments. You definitely cracked me up. Very informative as well. Hi hats seem wonky, just like my Roland hi hats. Great thorough video!
Great video! Its the same issue i have with Roland. Huge money and only ok sound. In Canada this is about $12.6k plus tax and Superior Drummer still sounds better. The wireless triggers are a good step but a company has been offering wireless for years they just didnt have the money and marketing of DW. My hope is that now companies will be forced to bring wireless triggers to market.
If you look at everything, from the drums, to the trigger mechanism, to the software that has how many professional DW kits in addition to a Slingerland and a Gretsch kit (I'm sure they can offer drum software sample packs of other brands in the future), to how many brands and types of cymbals...that can become a full acoustic kit in 30 mins or so....to the cymbals...this is a very ambitious project and major investment for the drummer that needs an e kit on Wednesday to an acoustic kit on Saturday without having to have to purchase a second full acoustic or electric kit..it's an investment, to be sure, this is not monopoly money...but it would cost twice as much to have one of each, with cymbals and hardware and software. It's an interesting proposition, and I'm excited for the future of this type of product. Thanks for the review!
Very cool tech. Love the wireless idea. I... I... I... HATE the sound that was coming from those cymbals. All of them. Perhaps we're spoilt with how good your drums usually sound, but the thing I can never get over with e-kits is that cymbal sound. I'm sure in a mix it sits better (I often record with a cheap e-kit and send the MIDI to a VST and with a bunch of mixing I can get it to mix decently), but what I heard on this video, that's a no from me, especially for that price
Ya if I am spending that kind of money, I’m getting the VAD706. And for even less I think the VAD507 is still a solid contender against this. But it’s a step in the right direction.
16:25 I just can’t fathom how toms in electronic drums today still sound that machine-gunny. DWe sounds like this. Roland does. Efnote too. Same as anything from Alesis, 2box, Yamaha, and the list goes on. The Pearl Mimic Pro is an exception (along with some purely software based solutions). To me it looks and sounds like DW got SOOO many things right the first time (ok, maybe not the price, but what can you expect from DW). But they REALLY dropped the ball on that artificial tom attack.
I was a employee at Sam ash and the dw rep came in and set up the demo of this kit and the coolest part that can be used as a party trick is you can take the cymbal off and walk 200 ft and the sound will still be playing out the pa. As well as the sound guy only has to plug one thing in and he’s done
Any "sound guy" worth his salt would actually VASTLY prefer to have individual outputs for each element of the kit. 2 channels of output is absolute nonsense on a $9k+ drum kit. Musicians running the FoH mix (even only a sub-mix) is the stuff nightmares are made of for FoH staff.
That thing sounds much worse than V-Drums, which is a lot to say. Almost as bad as a 1989 Yamaha PSS-680 Portasound. I'd like to hear how it talks to something truly decent like Superior Drummer 3.0, which I deem state-of-the-art electornic drum triggering.
definitely the most in-depth look at this kit I've ever seen. I'll never buy one, but I've been really curious about some of the little details of it. Great channel!
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I just replied to smang it drums comment in this thread. He has pointed out a brilliant option. Using your real cymbals and the DWe’s in unison. Think about it. No hassle of miking the drums, real cymbals (especially the hi hats) for all to enjoy, and lastly no wires on a beautiful drum set. Yes they are very expensive, but it seems like everything these days is.
Most everyone here: "Wahhhh! 😭 it's expensive, so i hate it! I'm sure this will not be a popular comment...but for those complaining about the price, my guess is that you've never really priced a dw collector's kit with hardware, 2 crashes, ride, and hats...THEN price out a flagship e-kit...they have shell packs of this kit for 3-4k less. I paid almost as much for a roland td30kv kit... For everyone that is complaining about the sound, you need to understand that most "modern" sound modules (i.e. roland td50, td30...etc.) are compatible... not to mention that you don't have to use dw's sound works kits... other sound libraries are compatible...ezdrummer, etc... while i enjoyed this video, i suggest you check out the other more thorough 1hr+ look at this kit... he goes through all of the things this one missed. And besides, the sound is irrelevant to the functionality of any e-kit...
I would honestly just use Superior Drummer for the sounds and not the SounDWorks sound... the machine gunning isn't even the hardware's fault damn, couldn't they give it more samples?
Looks cool, but the default software sounds really bad and very artificial (especially the cymbals, yikes). Would definitely need to get Superior Drummer or EZ Drummer to actually get a good sound out of it which is very disappointing for this expensive of a kit. I would've hoped they'd developed better sounds for it, but it seems the E-Kit makers are not as good as the Drum Sampler creators at creating good sounding E-Drums. And then I don't know what special features you lose from the pads when you use a 3rd party software.
I own both electronic and acoustic drums. Pros and cons to each. A purpose for each. My ears always lead my preference to acoustic. The feel is also a huge difference. Since this has been announced I have been wondering who is the target audience for this. The younger tech driven drummers out there probably won't have that kind of dough to drop on that kit. The older drummers who have the dough generally speaking don't want the hassle of computers and wireless pairing etc. Unless of course they employed by day in an IT position. So much easier to set up an all acoustic set and drum, no electricity or other junk to deal with. In these reviews I have not seen anyone testing them in real world live show. I have seen so many dropouts on wireless guitars and mics that have been easily fixed by a physical wire by the sound crew on the fly. How is any kind of issue with this kit in a live situation going to be fixed? A 40 minute intermission?
Holy crap, as someone with a Roland TD-27 VAD set, I can actually see the price being well worth it if you need an electric set (or just really want an electric set). It’s just like anything else: you can get MOST of the benefits of something with a less expensive product, but to get every bell and whistle is couple extra grand. If they have the durability of Rolands, this can be your forever set, too. The cymbal sounds were a bit disappointing, but those drum sounds were on point
I was thinking that at least I'd hope- the cymbal sounds can just be updated like any software now days and they will only continue to sounder better and better, realer and realer. Still not worth it to me.
I think what may be getting lost in the price tag is the simple fact that this is essentially an endless amount of drums...Understanding ALL ekits are that way, but still...The look of a really nice acoustic (and potential for one) and the sounds of MANY! I have been playing with the roland stuff since the 90's. from a TD7 to a TD12 and now have a 30 that i have mixed and matched parts with so E kits are great for me...anyway i think the price makes sense if you look at it as a 1 time purchase and utilize the versatility it offers. software is just awesome!!
Before judging this kit l, ive seen it deomonstrated by Gerry Pantazis and the amount of customization and fine tuning available in soundworks to get the sound you want is far more than is being shown in this video. When I heard Gerry playing it i honestly couldn't differentiate thw DWe from an acoustic kit. Its a lot of money yes but seeing it and playing it in person its groundbreaking. This video doesn't do it justice.
I have a Roland VAD 506 - I bought the VH14 so it's essentially a 507. I am very interested in this kit but don't need it now for a few reasons. My kit is totally fine and I'll probably keep it for the foreseeable future That aside, if I were to go with this I would need it to be perfect to justify the price. The first thing, the metal cymbals. I play at home and have had a metal ecymbal before and it is noticeable louder. The second thing, the module. I like the laptop approach and use a VST from time to time, but that is mostly when I record. Most days, like 95% of the time, I just want to turn on a module and practice/play. So basically, I want a module, rubber cymbals, but then add the wireless, and I'm all good.
Finish: 10/10. Toms: 6/10. Kick: 7/10. Snare: 5/10. Cymbals: 2/10. Machine gunning: 0/10. Price: -50/10. Sorry, DW, that's a "no" from me. Roland does it better, and frankly eDrums have a loooooong way to go before I'm going to choose them over an acoustic kit for acoustic sounds. It's been awhile, David, good to have you back!
@@811970samson I did not know that, actually. I find that very interesting, as I have a lot of experience with multiple Roland kits and percussion pads, and they all sounded better than this. Thanks for the info.
Dude!!! I totally know what you mean about new software and anxiety! I get super anxious when I start imagining the rabbit hole that lies ahead when dealing with installations and set up.
This project is definitely a huge undertaking. Interesting to see where they go, or don't go, with it on the next iteration. Also interesting to see who buys them. As for me, I think I have a pdp bass drum shell that was cracked. Got it for $5. That's how much DW money I have to spend.
ok this kit actually seems really good, real strong start for dw for there first e-kit and doing something so ambicious as wireless. the dynamics also seemed good from what you were playing? a little bit of a shame on the symbals but those are usually the one part that are hardest to get right and rolands really the only one whos got that pretty well down, and yes electronic cymbals are very heavy, i think this kit would be awsoem with some acoustic cymbals. and oh mah god that software looks amazing
New to drums, I have a nice electronic kit and am restoring some old acoustic drums, the electronic ones just feel all wrong even though I have never hit an acoustic drum I just feel robbed of something. I suspect it is to try and catch those old school drummers and make them feel more comfortable with an electronic kit. So the short answer is “marketing” most likely.
I prefer the feel of real. A properly tuned acoustic kit just feels better to me. I never really understood why you would want a an electronic set. Maybe for recording? Or, laziness? Don't want to tune? I dunno, I'm sticking with my Gretsch Maple kit. Feels like home.
One thing I wish was a round robin style sampling similar to kontakt libraries. Obviously, on a real kit, no two strikes of a drum or cymbal will ever sound exactly the same, so it'd be kinda nice to have that, but otherwise, this is truly awesome.
Honestly, someone needs to make an kit with entry-level shells that look nice, mesh heads and cymbals with USB output for $1500.00 that you can use with your favorite drum software. That would sell like hotcakes.
If they based these on PDP shells instead of collectors series I think they could have a price that made it interesting, as it is I don’t see why anyone would buy this compared to a Roland VAD or the like
Pretty impressive how far electric kits have come in the past decade. Last frontier is to make the digital snare wires vibrate with ALL THE OTHER SOUNDS IN THE HOUSE
Before you send them back, please try SD3 with them. (EDIT: I will admit that these "already" sound better than any Roland I have ever heard... Im just thinking that SD3 would be a little icing for the cake)
This is an amazing advance in engineering! I have been wondering for a long time when the e-kits would finally go wireless, and voila'. Here we have it! That being said, I'll wait until they work out the kinks before I consider buying one. But it is great that you can have an e-kit and an acoustic kit all in one kit rather than having to have two separate kits. Thanks for the honest review!
First time I've seen an electronic kit with cymbals that look like real cymbals, good stuff! Any chance you'll be checking out any of the Millennium kits in the future? I'm amazed at the amount of features you get for the price
My cymbals ran me a little bit over $520. However, I'm still looking to add two china's to my setup. They're all Meinl Classics Custom Dark's: 20 inch ride, 18 inch crash, and a pair of 15" hi-hats. If I got the wrong size cymbals I know they won't be the Hi-hats. I might the 18" and 20" Sabian AAX China's like DIR EN GREY drummer Shinya has or had on his kit. Then again I'm likely to have a collection of China cymbals at some point.
Well no, but I've experienced playing on in the Guitar Center down at Nashville! However I was not however a big fan of the feel at all, the cymbals just didn't bend like how they should, too stiff, and the mesh heads feel weird imo, Bass drum feels ight...
I like that you can actually hear some pitch dive on the tails of the floor tom strikes. Makes it sound much more lifelike. I don't think I've heard an E kit before this that was able to do that. Although, I really don't pay much attention to E drums, so I could be wrong about that. But it's the first time I've noticed it anyway.
If I had a project studio I’d get one to offer my clients. You’ll produce some very serviceable sounds both electronically and acoustically and hopefully set yourself apart from other studios, resulting in more business and more money. Otherwise I couldn’t stomach 9 large for it.
Speaking of mesh heads and regular heads. Any thoughts on if using mesh heads on the reso side with regular tom heads the batter side would work to have one kit that can be used for both silent practice in the mesh side and loud performance and rehearsals on the regular head side? I can't stand drum mute pads, I only have room for one kit and need both loud and silent often enough that swapping heads constantly is impractical. And I'm fine with the concert tom sound and modifications to make mounting upside down work.
cool kit hope it sound well in acoustic mode but a bit expensive for an hybrid acoustic converted, especialy since Evans release a killer app sensitive mesh head with multi zone and a software solution that doing exactly the same and probably more, on any regular acoustic drum, same thing for trigger solution with DDrums trigger or Roland TM-6 pro with there trigger and cymbal pad.
Tbh for how much the top of the line Roland kits go for the price tag really isn’t so bad. It’s def a primo product. You know where I’d see this being popular is higher end churches, and also the prosumer apartment dwellers
It would be mice to be able to dial into the software wirelessly i.e. digital mixing board so sound engineers can mix the set separately as the module only has a stereo out.
I went on a journey awhile ago with E-drums. The constant battle was between my desire for them to be "stealth", looking like acoustics while being more portable (and fit into a car easier). I find it interesting that these are heavier than acoustics and just as large...not even cocktail size. I get it but it would be good to see a more portable version. I'd also be interested to know if any thought was put into using real heads and dialing in the electronics to work more as acoustic triggers. After all, If I'm going to haul around a full DW set with hardware, I'm going to do what I can to use them acoustically.
I'd rather have a pared down more sensibly priced version with just the eDrum components without all the added cost of the higher-end acoustic drum shells. If I owned the current hybrid kit I'd probably end up just using it in eDrum mode and rarely if ever use as an acoustic kit (I already have numerous acoustic kits). Or even better, DW/Roland should consider making an adjustable conversion kit to add to other brand acoustic kits a drummer may already have.
Honestly, if u want something like this (a compromise of all this different features) I don’t get why u would want it with DW. I made this myself (old Yamaha XP 3000 (only using the module,) old kit, mesh heads, Fazley e-cymbals. Works fine if you can’t make that much noise at home but you still want to play. There plenty of budget companies who’re making kits like this now.
Interesting, but insanely expensive... specially in non-dollarized countries. I placed mute heads on my old acoustic drum set, and a $ 300 trigger system... plus about $ 200 in regular electronic cymbals. Don't have all the dynamics, but for training is perfect.
Talked to John Good once and the timbre note on the inside is calculated before they put the hardware on the drum so by the time the drum is finished that note is actually obsolete :/ what it’s good for is tuning the kit in intervals like major 3rd rack toms apart or perfect 4th between the floors yada yada. So yeah that’s why when you tune it to the recommended timbre note it sounds like crap lol
DAVID.There is another metal electronic cymbal company called FIELD. I have them in my channel. He has a patent on his touch sensitive cymbal choke effect.
Must admit it is pretty wild ..the sounds are very real the toms sound wide open with over ring like real Toms and I bet you can edit to your liking, the snares sound great ..the price Tag sure it's going to be high not much higher than a top of the line TD50 I'm sure it will come down....that fact that it is wireless that is the game changer ..I wonder will they sell the baskets and hardware seperate so you can add to your own drums down the line ..two outputs strange but I'm sure all of the mixing is done on the computer you could tweak this thing to death and have great results ..the idea is to plug and play that is progress
One of the things that really aggravates me about e drums is that you really hear the clackedicklack of the plastic when you play them, esp. the cymbals will give you a good crack sound when played properly. And if your sound tech decides to turn your playing down to room level, people will end up hearing the clicking.
For $9000-10,000 you should be getting top-tier, 9000 series hardware and pedals.
Yeah
No joke.
5000 series DW was good enough for every hit record for a couple of decades, I'm not complaining getting a set of it on an e-kit. Seems like overkill, tbh
@@theflint7692for the obvious weight of the drums plus electronics, I think it’s just fine.
@@theflint7692 If you think that most of those people were playing DW hardware, clearly you've never heard of Tama, Sonor, Axis or Pearl. The Iron Cobra is... *BY FAR*... the most popular set of pedals on the planet. And it was used far far far more than DW 5000s ever were, especially in the studio.
I’m a touring drum tech with an international pop star and me, the drummer and our FoH guy have been talking about doing a live kit that is partially DWe. Maybe do kick, a couple of snares and one or two toms. That way we could skip out on all the Roland PD8s, KT10 etc (and cables) and look way cooler with a huge kit and still having the possibility to do samples, claps, e-snares etc on real looking drums. We need to explore how well it the software works with MIDI, time code etc and how easy it would be for our backtracks/midi-tech to combine them with ableton.
My band has it as you describe. Timecode is running sound and light changes. Toms and kick is Roland trigers, rest miked.
Yes, and wouldn’t it be cool to change all those Roland-stuff to wireless drums??? 😃😃
I think the kit Devon Taylor used on the superbowl was part DWe
Be a cool kit for a venue to have and every drummer could play, just select your kit sound beforehand, no need to set up kits for every gig
@@ludwigtheludwig Could there be any RF interference with wireless in certain venues?
man, for the money, i think the ez drummer kits might sound better than the official dw software.
no shit they are the best sounds out
The abundance of drum keys completely justifies the pricetag 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That's what they thought. Every time you find a new key you start to forget how much money you spent
when using an e kit, your absolute best bet for drum sounds is using a drum vst like ezdrummer or addictive drums. usually the stock sounds are horrendous. (unless they’re great then use stock!!)
E drums have come so far in the past years its crazy
now just imagine 5 years from now 🤯
@@rdavidr maybe it will be affordable
But it still sounds very bad.
well., not really.. still decades behind SD3 triggered from pads.
this is 6 years ago and SMOKES any ekit today.. also the cymbals for instance af way better and very natural feeling and looking!
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The price i actually understand because it can be converted to an actual acoustic kit. What i wonder the most is the durability of the triggers and cymbals over time from someone that would jam to it almost daily. I honestly see the electronic side of that kit having problems down the line with the cymbals bending and cracking and signal loss from the triggers.
I see no reason for the triggers or cymbals to fail as they’re all just very simple electronic parts. If one of the cables would rip, a soldering iron does the job and replacement piezos cost around 4 bucks
Swap the cymbals for low volumes when practicing then put the triggered on recording
I am someone that has had a e kit cymbal break on me. So that was also a thought
@@pour-g8677great idea
Maybe it's just me being older ( and not wanting to lug too much stuff these days) but I've never seen the sense of having an e kit be as bulky as a real one. One of the cool things about a small E Kit is you can lug most of it with one hand. I do think these look cooler and I can see the visual appeal but on a more practical side sseems like as much or more work as hauling an acoustic kit, plus you gotta plug everything in and hope all the cables work and so on. And for 9k? You coukd get a decent set of wheels or 4 or 5 decent kits, both acoustic and E, for that money. If you can afford it and you don't mind hauling it I guess it's pretty cool but not my thing
i thought he said the kit is wireless
@@shane2973 You know I'm not sure, if true then that point of mine is moot. Still a lot of stuff to haul.
It's wireless... so how is this lugging more stuff than a regular 5 piece?
It's wireless. Completely. There is not a single wire connected to the kit itself. The only extra piece that this has is the hub which is rough the size of a pack of cigarettes. And that needs to connect to a laptop and can connect directly to a mixer eliminating the need for microphones completely
I agree! I've been playing Roland V-Drums, Live for the past three years. NOBODY pays any attention to the LOOKS! The band, the audience...NOBODY! It's nice to carry four toms to the stage in one trip.
It’s been a while, kinda missed you lmao
The machine gun sounds are laughable for NINE GRAND.
it sounds shit
Honestly thought the same
Some of us just like that machine gunny sound. I'm one of them. Roland sounds get the same critics.
Yeah totally. Hey, for the same $9k go ahead and find me another rig that gives you a top tier maple kit AND a bleeding edge technology electronic kit, I’ll wait here.
for 9k I would expect a SD3 license with a really good VST
Working on the Roland side of things, I hadn't seen these in action yet and I'm pleasantly surprised.
It would be nice to offer this in a PDP shell pack with no acoustic heads to bring the price down for those who have no desire to change to acoustic.
that sounds too smart for Roland and DW tbh
You're better off just buying a mapex acoustic kit and buying drumtec groovebars and getting a decent modual.
I am guessing there will be one sooner or later, as there are so many players out there not looking for another kit they can use acoustically. Why have a gorgeous DW shell as base for an electronic kit? The change over is too much of a hassle for many.
for real, anybody who can drop 10k on a novelty e-kit definitely doesn't need another acoustic kit
Novelty? Lol...e-kit aside, adw collectors series kit is a "novelty"?
I had the Roland’s when they first came out. As the computers got more powerful so did the sounds in software kits. I think these are very convincing. Too expensive for my budget but they seemed to have nailed the sounds.
I just loved this video, for so many reasons. For one, it was very entertaining!!!! Love your delivery and comments. You definitely cracked me up. Very informative as well. Hi hats seem wonky, just like my Roland hi hats. Great thorough video!
Great video!
Its the same issue i have with Roland. Huge money and only ok sound. In Canada this is about $12.6k plus tax and Superior Drummer still sounds better.
The wireless triggers are a good step but a company has been offering wireless for years they just didnt have the money and marketing of DW.
My hope is that now companies will be forced to bring wireless triggers to market.
If you look at everything, from the drums, to the trigger mechanism, to the software that has how many professional DW kits in addition to a Slingerland and a Gretsch kit (I'm sure they can offer drum software sample packs of other brands in the future), to how many brands and types of cymbals...that can become a full acoustic kit in 30 mins or so....to the cymbals...this is a very ambitious project and major investment for the drummer that needs an e kit on Wednesday to an acoustic kit on Saturday without having to have to purchase a second full acoustic or electric kit..it's an investment, to be sure, this is not monopoly money...but it would cost twice as much to have one of each, with cymbals and hardware and software. It's an interesting proposition, and I'm excited for the future of this type of product. Thanks for the review!
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Very cool tech. Love the wireless idea. I... I... I... HATE the sound that was coming from those cymbals. All of them. Perhaps we're spoilt with how good your drums usually sound, but the thing I can never get over with e-kits is that cymbal sound. I'm sure in a mix it sits better (I often record with a cheap e-kit and send the MIDI to a VST and with a bunch of mixing I can get it to mix decently), but what I heard on this video, that's a no from me, especially for that price
9k and only having stereo outputs / no other routing options is a little weak. There’s a lot more flexibility in the TD50 I reckon
Ya if I am spending that kind of money, I’m getting the VAD706. And for even less I think the VAD507 is still a solid contender against this. But it’s a step in the right direction.
I went with the Roland VAD504 and upgraded the module to the TD50X. Couldn't be happier
Amazing technology. Thank's for the video. Roland and dw are really blending.
question does it work with a double bass pedal?
16:25 I just can’t fathom how toms in electronic drums today still sound that machine-gunny. DWe sounds like this. Roland does. Efnote too. Same as anything from Alesis, 2box, Yamaha, and the list goes on. The Pearl Mimic Pro is an exception (along with some purely software based solutions).
To me it looks and sounds like DW got SOOO many things right the first time (ok, maybe not the price, but what can you expect from DW). But they REALLY dropped the ball on that artificial tom attack.
You're content is fantastic, man! Keep up the hard work!
I was a employee at Sam ash and the dw rep came in and set up the demo of this kit and the coolest part that can be used as a party trick is you can take the cymbal off and walk 200 ft and the sound will still be playing out the pa. As well as the sound guy only has to plug one thing in and he’s done
Any "sound guy" worth his salt would actually VASTLY prefer to have individual outputs for each element of the kit. 2 channels of output is absolute nonsense on a $9k+ drum kit. Musicians running the FoH mix (even only a sub-mix) is the stuff nightmares are made of for FoH staff.
"Roomy Spruce" is my new stage name
That thing sounds much worse than V-Drums, which is a lot to say. Almost as bad as a 1989 Yamaha PSS-680 Portasound. I'd like to hear how it talks to something truly decent like Superior Drummer 3.0, which I deem state-of-the-art electornic drum triggering.
Cant belive that the drums are electric i mean that just insane. This guy always makes my day.
David doing a gravity blast made my day
definitely the most in-depth look at this kit I've ever seen. I'll never buy one, but I've been really curious about some of the little details of it. Great channel!
I have a theory that they use witches inside of these drums. Because I don't understand no wires. So it's black magic.
Witches.
DWe. Damned Witches, evil.
There are ways of telling whether there is a witch.
- Are there? Well then tell us!
Tell me... what do you do with witches?
- Burn'em!
What do you burn apart from witches?
- More witches! -- Wood!
So, why do witches burn?
-Cuz they're made of... wood?
Gooood.
I think you nailed it Stephen!
Return of the KING rdavidr!! 💯🥁
I just replied to smang it drums comment in this thread. He has pointed out a brilliant option. Using your real cymbals and the DWe’s in unison. Think about it. No hassle of miking the drums, real cymbals (especially the hi hats) for all to enjoy, and lastly no wires on a beautiful drum set. Yes they are very expensive, but it seems like everything these days is.
Most everyone here: "Wahhhh! 😭 it's expensive, so i hate it!
I'm sure this will not be a popular comment...but for those complaining about the price, my guess is that you've never really priced a dw collector's kit with hardware, 2 crashes, ride, and hats...THEN price out a flagship e-kit...they have shell packs of this kit for 3-4k less. I paid almost as much for a roland td30kv kit...
For everyone that is complaining about the sound, you need to understand that most "modern" sound modules (i.e. roland td50, td30...etc.) are compatible... not to mention that you don't have to use dw's sound works kits... other sound libraries are compatible...ezdrummer, etc... while i enjoyed this video, i suggest you check out the other more thorough 1hr+ look at this kit... he goes through all of the things this one missed.
And besides, the sound is irrelevant to the functionality of any e-kit...
I would honestly just use Superior Drummer for the sounds and not the SounDWorks sound... the machine gunning isn't even the hardware's fault damn, couldn't they give it more samples?
Ya seriously it would have sounded way better and more realistic hooked up to SD3.
damn the fact that that you can push the head with the stick and still hit it with a pitch change, is pretty dang impressive.
These are super cool. I'll definitely be more into it once it's not a first gen product though.
Thank you that you told about your product, nice to know
Great review, one of the more comprehensive ones on YT to date on the DWe.
Looks cool, but the default software sounds really bad and very artificial (especially the cymbals, yikes). Would definitely need to get Superior Drummer or EZ Drummer to actually get a good sound out of it which is very disappointing for this expensive of a kit. I would've hoped they'd developed better sounds for it, but it seems the E-Kit makers are not as good as the Drum Sampler creators at creating good sounding E-Drums. And then I don't know what special features you lose from the pads when you use a 3rd party software.
That Kit is Epic🎉
I own both electronic and acoustic drums. Pros and cons to each. A purpose for each. My ears always lead my preference to acoustic. The feel is also a huge difference. Since this has been announced I have been wondering who is the target audience for this. The younger tech driven drummers out there probably won't have that kind of dough to drop on that kit. The older drummers who have the dough generally speaking don't want the hassle of computers and wireless pairing etc. Unless of course they employed by day in an IT position. So much easier to set up an all acoustic set and drum, no electricity or other junk to deal with. In these reviews I have not seen anyone testing them in real world live show. I have seen so many dropouts on wireless guitars and mics that have been easily fixed by a physical wire by the sound crew on the fly. How is any kind of issue with this kit in a live situation going to be fixed? A 40 minute intermission?
What about a DIY hybrid acoustic/electric kit with some triggers and a cheap drum set vs the DWe? That would be interesting to see
It would be some glorious OG rdavidr content. And useful.
Commenting again. Maybe it'll boost this comment.
i’d like to see this to be honest
Me too!!
Holy crap, as someone with a Roland TD-27 VAD set, I can actually see the price being well worth it if you need an electric set (or just really want an electric set). It’s just like anything else: you can get MOST of the benefits of something with a less expensive product, but to get every bell and whistle is couple extra grand. If they have the durability of Rolands, this can be your forever set, too. The cymbal sounds were a bit disappointing, but those drum sounds were on point
I was thinking that at least I'd hope- the cymbal sounds can just be updated like any software now days and they will only continue to sounder better and better, realer and realer. Still not worth it to me.
I was really waiting for this review!
Congratulations on your new drum set electronic
I think what may be getting lost in the price tag is the simple fact that this is essentially an endless amount of drums...Understanding ALL ekits are that way, but still...The look of a really nice acoustic (and potential for one) and the sounds of MANY! I have been playing with the roland stuff since the 90's. from a TD7 to a TD12 and now have a 30 that i have mixed and matched parts with so E kits are great for me...anyway i think the price makes sense if you look at it as a 1 time purchase and utilize the versatility it offers. software is just awesome!!
Before judging this kit l, ive seen it deomonstrated by Gerry Pantazis and the amount of customization and fine tuning available in soundworks to get the sound you want is far more than is being shown in this video. When I heard Gerry playing it i honestly couldn't differentiate thw DWe from an acoustic kit. Its a lot of money yes but seeing it and playing it in person its groundbreaking. This video doesn't do it justice.
I have a Roland VAD 506 - I bought the VH14 so it's essentially a 507. I am very interested in this kit but don't need it now for a few reasons.
My kit is totally fine and I'll probably keep it for the foreseeable future
That aside, if I were to go with this I would need it to be perfect to justify the price. The first thing, the metal cymbals. I play at home and have had a metal ecymbal before and it is noticeable louder. The second thing, the module. I like the laptop approach and use a VST from time to time, but that is mostly when I record. Most days, like 95% of the time, I just want to turn on a module and practice/play.
So basically, I want a module, rubber cymbals, but then add the wireless, and I'm all good.
Finish: 10/10. Toms: 6/10. Kick: 7/10. Snare: 5/10. Cymbals: 2/10. Machine gunning: 0/10. Price: -50/10.
Sorry, DW, that's a "no" from me. Roland does it better, and frankly eDrums have a loooooong way to go before I'm going to choose them over an acoustic kit for acoustic sounds.
It's been awhile, David, good to have you back!
You do know that roland owns dw, right? From another review I saw, other sampling software is compatible... you don't need to use dw's library...
@@811970samson I did not know that, actually. I find that very interesting, as I have a lot of experience with multiple Roland kits and percussion pads, and they all sounded better than this. Thanks for the info.
Yeah, I tried these out at a local drum shop...the cymbals to me are definitely the OTHER ( & Price) deal breaker. Look awesome tho
Did you not like the cymbals?
An E upgrade kit for my current DWs would be ideal
I have my toms in front of the snare drum and my ride cymbal over the kick for ergonomic purposes.
Dude!!! I totally know what you mean about new software and anxiety! I get super anxious when I start imagining the rabbit hole that lies ahead when dealing with installations and set up.
I work in IT, and this still rings true.
This project is definitely a huge undertaking. Interesting to see where they go, or don't go, with it on the next iteration. Also interesting to see who buys them.
As for me, I think I have a pdp bass drum shell that was cracked. Got it for $5. That's how much DW money I have to spend.
ok this kit actually seems really good, real strong start for dw for there first e-kit and doing something so ambicious as wireless. the dynamics also seemed good from what you were playing? a little bit of a shame on the symbals but those are usually the one part that are hardest to get right and rolands really the only one whos got that pretty well down, and yes electronic cymbals are very heavy, i think this kit would be awsoem with some acoustic cymbals. and oh mah god that software looks amazing
guess I am old school; I do not understand why someone would want an electric and acoustic drum set all in one.
Right? Like why using an electric one the size of a regular one? The small and compact size is one thing to actually use an electric one..
yep, I was wondering that same thing. @@TheHellpoy
To get the versatility of an e-kit and the appearance and feel of sitting behind an acoustic kit. No brainer.
@@tobecomezero Alesis Drum kits kind of give you that, minus the cymbals.
New to drums, I have a nice electronic kit and am restoring some old acoustic drums, the electronic ones just feel all wrong even though I have never hit an acoustic drum I just feel robbed of something. I suspect it is to try and catch those old school drummers and make them feel more comfortable with an electronic kit. So the short answer is “marketing” most likely.
I prefer the feel of real. A properly tuned acoustic kit just feels better to me. I never really understood why you would want a an electronic set. Maybe for recording? Or, laziness? Don't want to tune? I dunno, I'm sticking with my Gretsch Maple kit. Feels like home.
One thing I wish was a round robin style sampling similar to kontakt libraries. Obviously, on a real kit, no two strikes of a drum or cymbal will ever sound exactly the same, so it'd be kinda nice to have that, but otherwise, this is truly awesome.
Have you heard a 2Box?
He's actually alive.
Honestly, someone needs to make an kit with entry-level shells that look nice, mesh heads and cymbals with USB output for $1500.00 that you can use with your favorite drum software. That would sell like hotcakes.
If they based these on PDP shells instead of collectors series I think they could have a price that made it interesting, as it is I don’t see why anyone would buy this compared to a Roland VAD or the like
Pretty impressive how far electric kits have come in the past decade. Last frontier is to make the digital snare wires vibrate with ALL THE OTHER SOUNDS IN THE HOUSE
Before you send them back, please try SD3 with them.
(EDIT: I will admit that these "already" sound better than any Roland I have ever heard... Im just thinking that SD3 would be a little icing for the cake)
I was thinking the same, but I don’t think he can. The software is walled garden, so there’s no way to plug in to SD3….Yet.
@@FortyDeuce You can use any VST with the kit.
This is an amazing advance in engineering! I have been wondering for a long time when the e-kits would finally go wireless, and voila'. Here we have it! That being said, I'll wait until they work out the kinks before I consider buying one. But it is great that you can have an e-kit and an acoustic kit all in one kit rather than having to have two separate kits. Thanks for the honest review!
Im not even a drummer, but I love your videos!! Great work
that hi-hat sounds so disappointing
First time I've seen an electronic kit with cymbals that look like real cymbals, good stuff!
Any chance you'll be checking out any of the Millennium kits in the future? I'm amazed at the amount of features you get for the price
Müllenium
My cymbals ran me a little bit over $520. However, I'm still looking to add two china's to my setup. They're all Meinl Classics Custom Dark's: 20 inch ride, 18 inch crash, and a pair of 15" hi-hats. If I got the wrong size cymbals I know they won't be the Hi-hats. I might the 18" and 20" Sabian AAX China's like DIR EN GREY drummer Shinya has or had on his kit. Then again I'm likely to have a collection of China cymbals at some point.
That high hat stand sure wiggled around a lot
Anyone here have a DWe?
I wish man, they seem amazing
Me David
I wish 😂
Anything DW is too expensive for me. Maybe one day
Well no, but I've experienced playing on in the Guitar Center down at Nashville! However I was not however a big fan of the feel at all, the cymbals just didn't bend like how they should, too stiff, and the mesh heads feel weird imo, Bass drum feels ight...
I like that you can actually hear some pitch dive on the tails of the floor tom strikes. Makes it sound much more lifelike. I don't think I've heard an E kit before this that was able to do that. Although, I really don't pay much attention to E drums, so I could be wrong about that. But it's the first time I've noticed it anyway.
Personally, I think the Efnote EFX Pro is a more elegant solution for a live drummer thanks to the input part of the module being a stagebox.
If I had a project studio I’d get one to offer my clients. You’ll produce some very serviceable sounds both electronically and acoustically and hopefully set yourself apart from other studios, resulting in more business and more money. Otherwise I couldn’t stomach 9 large for it.
Speaking of mesh heads and regular heads. Any thoughts on if using mesh heads on the reso side with regular tom heads the batter side would work to have one kit that can be used for both silent practice in the mesh side and loud performance and rehearsals on the regular head side?
I can't stand drum mute pads, I only have room for one kit and need both loud and silent often enough that swapping heads constantly is impractical. And I'm fine with the concert tom sound and modifications to make mounting upside down work.
cool kit hope it sound well in acoustic mode but a bit expensive for an hybrid acoustic converted, especialy since Evans release a killer app sensitive mesh head with multi zone and a software solution that doing exactly the same and probably more, on any regular acoustic drum, same thing for trigger solution with DDrums trigger or Roland TM-6 pro with there trigger and cymbal pad.
Tbh for how much the top of the line Roland kits go for the price tag really isn’t so bad. It’s def a primo product. You know where I’d see this being popular is higher end churches, and also the prosumer apartment dwellers
Here in the UK, this is basically double the price of a TD-50. So the extra cost isn't reflected in the performance of the DWe for me.
A 250 € second-hand Roland dtx express II with a VST such as Addictive Drums or Sound forge or similar sounds better without becoming poor.
For whatever reason, hearing just the camera audio makes me laugh
It would be mice to be able to dial into the software wirelessly i.e. digital mixing board so sound engineers can mix the set separately as the module only has a stereo out.
Amazing technology 🔥🔥
I went on a journey awhile ago with E-drums. The constant battle was between my desire for them to be "stealth", looking like acoustics while being more portable (and fit into a car easier). I find it interesting that these are heavier than acoustics and just as large...not even cocktail size. I get it but it would be good to see a more portable version. I'd also be interested to know if any thought was put into using real heads and dialing in the electronics to work more as acoustic triggers. After all, If I'm going to haul around a full DW set with hardware, I'm going to do what I can to use them acoustically.
I'd rather have a pared down more sensibly priced version with just the eDrum components without all the added cost of the higher-end acoustic drum shells. If I owned the current hybrid kit I'd probably end up just using it in eDrum mode and rarely if ever use as an acoustic kit (I already have numerous acoustic kits). Or even better, DW/Roland should consider making an adjustable conversion kit to add to other brand acoustic kits a drummer may already have.
12:49 that one beat gets me everytime
it sounds beautiful when it's played "unplugged"
The "over compensating" joke 🤣
Honestly, if u want something like this (a compromise of all this different features) I don’t get why u would want it with DW.
I made this myself (old Yamaha XP 3000 (only using the module,) old kit, mesh heads, Fazley e-cymbals. Works fine if you can’t make that much noise at home but you still want to play.
There plenty of budget companies who’re making kits like this now.
Interesting, but insanely expensive... specially in non-dollarized countries. I placed mute heads on my old acoustic drum set, and a $ 300 trigger system... plus about $ 200 in regular electronic cymbals. Don't have all the dynamics, but for training is perfect.
That kit sounds incredible for an e-kit, no wonder it's so spenny.
Talked to John Good once and the timbre note on the inside is calculated before they put the hardware on the drum so by the time the drum is finished that note is actually obsolete :/ what it’s good for is tuning the kit in intervals like major 3rd rack toms apart or perfect 4th between the floors yada yada. So yeah that’s why when you tune it to the recommended timbre note it sounds like crap lol
But does it have the out-of-tune backing tracks that the Donner DED-500 has?? Enquiring minds need to know!
16:40 lol I was literally just thinking that snare sounds papery and terrible
Would be sick if DW sold the guts and heads as a conversion kt. The blutooth connection is a game changer
dW crazies achivment ❤
The wireless systhem is killer
DAVID.There is another metal electronic cymbal company called FIELD. I have them in my channel. He has a patent on his touch sensitive cymbal choke effect.
Dual triggers would be nice on the rims ride should have a bigger Bell as well good job on the review
Must admit it is pretty wild ..the sounds are very real the toms sound wide open with over ring like real Toms and I bet you can edit to your liking, the snares sound great ..the price Tag sure it's going to be high not much higher than a top of the line TD50 I'm sure it will come down....that fact that it is wireless that is the game changer ..I wonder will they sell the baskets and hardware seperate so you can add to your own drums down the line ..two outputs strange but I'm sure all of the mixing is done on the computer you could tweak this thing to death and have great results ..the idea is to plug and play that is progress
One of the things that really aggravates me about e drums is that you really hear the clackedicklack of the plastic when you play them, esp. the cymbals will give you a good crack sound when played properly. And if your sound tech decides to turn your playing down to room level, people will end up hearing the clicking.