Yep it was possibly a combination of Murphy’s law and the Swiss cheese model...but we should wait for FDR + CVR datas to be revealed assuming what happened is not what we should do !
This supports what I predicted in that they are accustomed to ignoring the landing gear warning chime because they pull the lever early and count on the gear to automatically deploy once they shed enough speed. That is why even the tower operator seemed unconcerned about the warning chime. They hotdog their landings and they pushed it too far.
I've watched a number of "crash analysis" videos of this PIA incident, but all of them fell short in almost every category. As is usual, your videos are the gold standard, Juan. I hope the voice recorder and the flight data recorder, shed some light on the last few minutes of this flight. I can't help but think that a cascade of errors and poor judgments, were at the heart of this tragedy. Its almost incomprehensible, that two commercial pilots would botch an approach so badly. As you say, Juan, following the rules, and good CRM, makes for a happy outcome. My heart goes out to the relatives and friends of the passengers and crew. This crash took only minutes, but the pain lasts for years.
The airline seniors are ex military airforce.... So I wonder if their training is generally not upto world standards... should they be allowed to operate?
These errors were so over the top and incomprehensible that it's difficult to imagine. It's as if the pilots were intoxicated and not thinking clearly.
there are other better ones, especially those by other pilots. Those by journalist or reporters or private citizens who are non-pilots are generally poor quality
Can someone explain why an outstanding journalist covering an important topic should be demonitized? The low quality journalists on TV still get to have ads, why not this one?
Unless you were creator or licencee, even created just a birthday video of your family, you meet terms & conditions. Didn't they rename editing / compilation to creators studio.
And even when the truth becomes apparent, if often struggles to prevail, as we live in a society where people prefer to believe what they want to instead of what actually happened.
hn bg Yes. Likewise aircraft also has been resting for a long time. Gears rusted? Got stuck. Big mistake. Gears’ mobility not checked before being airborn. Common sense. All aircrafts, globally repeat globally, must be checked physically for all mobilities before letting them be airborn. Simple.
Yes I agree with you hn bg..every pilot who has been off for 2 months should take a simulation test of landing and take off. No matter how many times you have done this, there is no chance for an error in this industry.
@@peejay1981 it is not, there is no way you should at any moment be doing 6000ft/min on approach, and the speeds...let's not even talk about that...you can do 250 to the final approach fix (4, 5 or 6 miles out from the runway) some airports even ask for it, but you have to at least be at the right altitude to slow the puppy down...you can't be fast and high and pretend to stop it...and reaching the runway at 200kts, you're never going to land that thing...it's going to float for ever, and by the time you touch down you're halfway down the runway.
Demonetizing an intelligent & experienced professional who allows normal non-aviation experts, enthusiasts nonetheless, to understand these accidents is insane!
How this any different than any other tragedy that’s on TH-cam? I just don’t agree with TH-cam’s practices being selectively enforced. Keep doing what you do sir. We appreciate it.
So far I know, and how I was taught, and how I taught for many years. "Never intercept a glideslope from above".. It's a recipe for disaster, and diving through to the dirt, as we saw
Hard to call it recovery from "controlled flight into terrain" but that's what preceded the fatalities. This is just unbelievably sad. Accidents are almost never caused by a single mistake, even one as boneheaded as this appears to be. There will almost certainly be evidence of prior behaviour that went undisciplined.
John Austin - The problem is we will never know. This will be hushed over citing grief to the families, company business, national pride will be injured, etc., you name it, Blown away as yesterdays fog.
But you can't help it if you are held high due to ATC and traffic. But... it helps when you are on the correct speed for the approach. Lowering the landing gear early will help during the descent when capturing glideslope from above.
udin737 although capturing from above is not recommended...dur to false glide information on the sensors giving false indication via the « HSI » on the PFD !
Juan is the best in the business. I appreciate you taking your time to keep all of us interested informed. I look forward to all of your videos. Thank you sir!!
How to explain that a Captain with more than 17000 hours flight experience was responsible for that? It's a real question, not irony. It's unexplainable to me until now.
Brilliant! Juan, I congratulate you on being one of the most informative, professional aviation people I’ve seen. What on earth were the flight deck crew doing?! A horrific final section of the flight profile! Thank you for a great video 👍🏻
This is how I take a break from studying for my private pilot written exam. Actually, it's how I augment that study: this is information every pilot should take to heart.
Daryl Davis - I retired from a career in ATC, and agree with you, anything you read about aviation will stay with you. Can I recommend, either going onto the FAA site and look up NTSB accident reports, they have all, General Aviation, Commercial and Military. As the reports were published, it was mandatory reading for us, lots of pertinent information. Another site is AOPA, almost the same, but mainly General Aviation. Best wishes, with your flight training.
ATC radio transcript is out there. The pilot was behaving like there were no rules. They repeatedly told him to descend to the altitude he was assigned and he basically said "no thanks, we're good." So the landing gear did not lower, they didn't even try to troubleshoot and apparently just gave up and said, "oh well we'll just do a belly landing." He was way too high and landed middle of the runway, destroying the hydraulic pumps and mutilating the engines and not able to make a second attempt. Great video on assuming the diagnosis based on the design of the engines, by the way. You were spot on.
Please wait for the official report to be presented by the French Investigation Team, the families of crew member sare also in pain for their loss, it might be their fault but please underatand their families emotions also,..
I know it's weird and it's very easy to blame someone whose not around to defend himself, he had over 17000 flying hours. ALL I'm saying is please wait for the official report to come
it seems like the pilot spent his 25 years service driving a 1960 chevrolet c-60 truck. A pilot having 25 years of flying experience would commit such blunders is beyond my imagination. rest in peace for the effected one. great work again sir. 👍👍👍love and respect from Pakistan.
Thank you, or he went to answer call of nature at the last minute and asked the FO not to touch a damn thing in the cockpit. After coming back he just nose dived into the ground expecting everything would work just fine
Juan, I love your analyses of these events. But I think you might be missing something: Management directives. This crew obviously broke all the descent rules, but as a former Nuclear Plant human performance coordinator, our team learned much about management influence on worker's safety performance. Did management punish go-arounds, or frown on them? Was the schedule all-important? Were pilots judged on their deviation from scheduled arrival times? These are things that can really change the personal dynamics of a skilled and qualified worker. I'm not a pilot but we studied you guys, as well as railroads, chem industry and other majors. Look at management's influence, the culture and the company rules. We found that it completes the picture in many cases. The possible examples I mentioned are just that, possibilities. The go-around possibility is just one of many that I would look at if I were doing the Human Performance and Organizational investigation. As I said, I'm not a pilot and do not work in Aviation. Sometimes, cultural traps can be as informal as a bragging-rights competition between workers with absolutely no management prompting or unwritten rules. Without a full-on corrective action investigation, with a focus not only on the actual crash and events leading up to it, but asking why? enough times to drill down to the root of the problem, the true root cause will never be known. Why did the pilot ignore the descent rules? Has it ever happened before? If so, why did it happen before? Were previous incidents investigated? Why or why not? Anytime a tragic disaster like this happens, you can bet there will be any number of officials who will attempt to save face by deflection, minimizing or obfuscation. The why questions have to be asked to get through deflection and stonewalling to get to the root cause.
Hi Simon - good point. If there is any sort of management punishment, for 'go arounds', I understand there absolutely shouldn't be, then if nothing else maybe other PIA pilots might speak up to flush this behaviour out and hopefully avoid another incident like this.
Simon Smith - You make your points very well. Managements regularly forget, or never realise in the first place, that they employ Mk.1 Human Beings. Only when you get company culture right can you ever hope to start getting the company to perform.
Good point! It would be absolutely disheartening if go arounds were penalised by the airline.. We have three experienced people neglecting the numbers.... pilot and first officer clearly at the helm but atc shouldn’t have given the clearance with that high approach .not questioning his skills he gave all the help but he should have been stern as rock saying NO do not land with that speed
This is hard to fathom - how a trained airline crew could elect to continue an approach like this. I’m expecting the CVR to highlight a tremendous amount of human factors and CRM that likely played a very significant part in this tragedy.
@@mohammedrazeem1914 ignore the trolls.. I feel pity for these kind of people.. Whenever an aircraft crashes because of a pilot error, no one would blame his religion (christanity, hinduism etc) or for being athiest. Everyone would be feeling sorry for all those on board..The pilot pays for the mistake with his life + passengers.. Islamophobia is real..
My house located close to site of incident, and always find all airlines making very gentle approach towards the runway from long distance except PIA whose aircraft are mostly over-speeding while landing and I had always feared such an eventuality. But my imaginations limited me to expecting overshooting incident some day by PIA at the other end of this runway but this captain was double stupid to do such an insane thing. Secondly had he tried to land on the right runway, then he could have easily avoided this populated area and landed in empty cantt area at least avoiding damage on ground which he could easily see from the air.. Just appears, the captain had gone mad.
Hey Mister Abdul! I understand you have your opinions but please don't say things like 'stupid'. It hurts the sentiments of people close to the Pilot. His family and loved ones are going through double pain b/c not only they have lost a father and son but now they have to go through this investigation. Obviously you can express your opinions but please be respectful.
Hey Basil Saleem, Thank you for your nice advice. Actually it was the father of the pilot who called the investigators “gandi nali ke keerey” that in fact hurt me a lot when I feel that this pilot killed all the people who died not because of any mistake but unfortunately his madness. And after Air blue, bhoja, PIA ATR and now this. Just please tell me what should we call the people who cause this? This plane crashed close to my house and the way PIA people land, I was long expecting this only because PIA has collapsed due to irresponsible people like these. Can you even imagine any other airline pilot coming to land at double the normal speed and triple the altitude and then bang his plane on runway with out opening the wheels? It was his at least 6 the blunder which caused this tragedy and now people shall call PIA an airline which even crashed the safest plane A 320.
True there is a huge area right by the accident site, he could have just targetted the malir road, perhaps too fixated on getting to the end of runway he forgot that the plane was not flying anymore
Alot of people have lost their lives and homes due to this accident and it's completely devastating. But imagine losing your loved one and then seeing his reputation being ripped off like this publicly. It really hurts and it gets really hard to control yourself. And lets not forget this time is equally hard for his family. No man in the world would intentionally cause this accident obviously after all the pilot himself was inside the plane. The investigation is yet not complete so lets wait for the official report. But please calling someone stupid won't help anyone. Nations don't overcome tragedies by being abusive but by controlling their nerves and learning from mistakes. Whatever was the reason for the crash, the pain is the same but lets just respect the 17000 hours Captain Sajjad Gul spent working for PIA serving his people. God knows what happened on the flight. Lets keep ourselves in his families shoes and think of the trauma they must be going through. My only request is kindly don't pass comments that will hurt the sentiments of any victim of the crash but please be a little sensitive and lets help eachother get out of this miserable situation with respect.
Can't imagine what passengers thought during that steep descent. My first trans-con flight was from Indianapolis to John Wayne airport, back in the late 1980's. The pilot announced we'd clear mountain elevations then "play drop like a stone". His words. I remember pushing my foot into the floor like I was standing on a brake pedal. On subsequent trips to the area, I went LAX instead. The PIA descent was INSANE.
What blows me away every time I think of this is that there were 2 pilots in that cockpit. 2 people fully aware of how to fly a plane failed at flying a plane.. :(
This was a huge failure of CRM (Cockpit Resource Management) and the judgment of the other pilot in cooperating with an unstable approach. But it happens. Remember Asian 214 crashing into the seawall at SFO with four CAPTAINS on the flight deck. Noone spoke up until it was way too late to salvage the approach.
In one of Juan's earlier videos on this accident, a texted reply stated that the Pilot and Co-Pilot were related (I think the family member stated one was his Uncle and the other a Cousin), so maybe the one over ruled the other.
Could there be some technical faults in the plane reading regarding height, speed etc which might have caused such unbelievable descent? Actual readings different but plane showing different readings....they were comfortable relying upon the mistaken reading of the airplane while the actual reading/reality was different
Good chance he was a fighter pilot moonlighting as an airline pilot. Happens a lot as these smaller countries only reservoir of pilots is their air force.
I'm beginning to think that I plan my trips to the grocery store more carefully than these pilots planned their approach. But, then I used to fly small aircraft into back country airports.
@blancolirio From the flightaware altitude data, it appears PIA has a history of rapid declines into KHI. I found 2 instances of 5,500+ feet per minute descents in May 2020. 6,000 feet per minute peak decent rates occurred a few days prior on May 17, same flight. 30,475 ft to 13,575 ft in 3 min. flightaware.com/live/flight/PIA8303/history/20200517/0754Z/OPLA/OPKC/tracklog Another PIA flight, PIA #8309, had a similar 5,500 feet per minute decline rate over 1 minute from 16,725 ft to 11,150 ft on May 21 flightaware.com/live/flight/PIA8309/history/20200521/0740Z/OPIS/OPKC/tracklog Since the crash, the decent rates are more stable at a consistent sub 2,500 feet per minute.
Brilliant work Juan. When you get subject matter experts, like you, who can communicate it is like the dawning of a new era. But boy this crew looks like they shouldn't have left the flight simulator...the Microsoft Flight Simulator.
Some one you don't see, and you ear from him we don't need to blame him, no one is going out and decided to go and die and claim alot of life, except Germany's pilot who intentionally broth the plane down.
"We are comfortable" at 7000 fpm descent. So did the gear not open since they were over speeding and didn't even notice it because all kinds of alarms are going off from their sloppy approach?
That seems a likely scenario. For whatever reason they got way behind the aircraft, got way in over their heads and efffed it up in monumental fashion.
This was sort of my idea - that for whatever reason there were already warnings going off or some other distraction, and the pilot thought they weren't chiming for the landing gear. He heard the chiming but didnt connect the dots and realize it was a gear warning. With that said I am not a pilot. It sure seems they didnt follow procedure and got in way too deep.
@@3John-Bishop That's probably quite true, but the total destruction of an expensive aircraft & the loss of passenger lives looks even worse on ones record. It's bad for business too. But you make a good point none the less.
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Thanks Juan. Your videos are so well made and informative even for a layman to the aviation field. I hope to follow you and your videos always in the future.
Lack of discipline killed so many innocent people PIA should be investigated too, if their training was very strict this probably wouldn't have happened Thank you sir for exposing the truth, your service to the public it's invaluable
Bilal Ahmed doesn’t matter how many years of experience. This is becoming more and more like a pilot error. Bad decisions and overconfidence by the pilot resulted in this tragedy.
@@timhardman4764 you only feel it in your stomach when accelerating. Once you are descending at a constant speed gravity will still push you into your seat at 1 G. Like in an elevator you feel the initial acceleration but once you are up to speed you feel gravity normally. If they nosed down smoothly into the fast descent the passengers wouldn't feel it in the stomach any more than a normal descent.
Keith MacDonald That is right but in this case, it took them only 20s to go from a descent rate of 3500fpm to 7000fpm and back to 1000fpm according to the graph shown so the passengers definitely felt that acceleration.
@@timhardman4764 The passengers were inside the plane, they did not have 80mph air rushing up past their bodies. They were not in free fall, like a sky diver.
A captain that dangerous doesn’t just slip through the cracks. Someone saw his lack of skill and decision making capability in a simulator and they let him out to fly the line anyways. Shameful.
Thanks Juan for the update, as a technician i have worked all kind of vertical speed indicators and the maximum speed in the dial is 6000 ft per min, i never imagined a plane descending at 7000 ft/min even the pointer has a mechanical stop preventing the pointer from moving further, is hard to believe a completely irresponsible crew violating all landing parameters causing the death of 100 peoples on board.
Been there several times thru the years. I'm 500% certain that this kind of approach is not entirely unusual in that part of the World. It's just that on this particular occasion, this crew didn't get away with it. Plenty more to say about common sense, but since this is a civilized channel, I will end with: May God bless the souls who were affected. And HUGE thanks for the GREAT reporting!!!
A roller coaster for the passengers!! Your presentation was a clear and impartial analysis. Of course, only after the FDR analysis we will know more about the landing gear up.
Hello all and I hope all is well. My first experience here was Oroville dam coverage. What a ride this turned in to. Thank you for your knowledge and expertise Mr. Brown along with your ability to teach us how to learn.
Thanks for sharing such great information, this has become my favorite TH-cam channel and not for the tragedies but for the explanation of such important aviation topics. Thanks !
I heard the crew respond on the audio with control " we are comfortable now" just before they are cleared to land. I wonder what was said before that? Thanks for keeping us updated, this is a mystery to me.
Pilot's "I am comfortable" "I am satisfied" is to assure the ATController who was reminding the pilot of the issue to his awareness that he was confident and positive handling the situation, another word: no big deal.
So the pilots really screwed the pooch. Are we going to find out that this particular Capitan had black marks on his record? A real tragedy, so sorry for all the families involved. Cheers from Tokyo!
Again....all I’ve got for these guys for the second video in a row is WOW. Myself and my first officer were discussing this today (FYI we were cruising at 46,000...before I get the people telling me not to be having social conversations in the cockpit. Also we don’t have airline rules) in the G550 and were plugging in some of these profiles Juan has showed here. In many cases the FMS wouldn’t even accept the values without issues, let alone let us actually execute them. Blows my mind. “Professional” Pilots eh? Thanks Juan!
There is something very suspicious about this air crew. What training put them so far out of the envelope and led them to believe it was okay? Not to mention they never addressed the no gear situation at altitude. No professional flight crew in their right mind would travel such a flight path. My thoughts and prayers go out to the people who perished and their loved ones that they may find strength to carry on.
Perhaps they were overloaded with trying to get the plane down "On glide path" in time and with other alarms going off they never noticed that the gear did not extend (Assuming they Tried to extend the gear.)
Well it turns out that this behavior outside Standard Operating Procedures seems to be a regular occurrence in this airspace on this route see flightaware.com analysis in comments, so sad.
@asdf With All due respect, and I do entertain conspiracy theories a lot; Pakistan, my country, Is a country that requires IMF's help to operate it's day to day matters unfortunately. Other than some basic medical insurance (Averaging less than a 1000USD a year) and a post retirement pension plan provided by the Government (Half of the monthly Salary; Probably around 1500USD in this scenario), I'm almost entirely sure the pilot had no insurance plans. This was probably, Pilots error.
@asdf Brother, 97 People have passed away in this accident. We all need to know what really happened to make sure it never happens again. With that sad, Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. And whilst there's no evidence or motive for what you say happened, it is a theory. Perhaps even an in insensitive one for the family of the deceased. You have your right to form your opinions, but please take the sentiments of the grieving families into consideration.
Yet another great analysis on this tragic plane crash in my City. I really appreciate all your work. It cannot be praised enough. I also love how you pronounce "Karachi" it's perfect.
Thank you Captain for a series of great information that you have put together very well. Disappointing aircraft handling guess thats why Doc 8168 exists and some dont even read it nor apply it for some weird reason. I have been following your technical breakedown of this tragic accident prior this last one and learnt quite a bit, thanks again. Appreciate the effort you putt in. Wishing you Blue skies and tail winds!
Thanks Juan! It seems those pilots were operating an amusement ride there at the end. Talk about asleep at the yoke. Also, I believe you meant to say ENSURE as well.😀
Thanks for the clear explanations, backed by supporting data - really helps folks having a wide range of experience understand the key points. Well done!
Wow - the graphs you presented tell the story. We'll likely never know what the reason was for the poor approach. Thanks for all your work. All your videos are so good. Joe Brewer (Fishers, Indiana, USA)
I love these update videos. So much more precise and to the point than the wild speculation in the newspapers. Hopefully, the full explanation will soon come out, especially at this time when people are hesitant at using air travel. Looking forward to the next update and loved your discussion with Petter.
Very clear explanation. It is great if flight, simulator, and ground instructors are as articulate and as inquisitive in giving details as you. Thank You.
Another great informative video. As a former approach controller I always stressed to a trainee the importance of energy management to give an arriving pilot the ability to descend and slow to become stable on the approach. I think the word you were searching for was “ensure”. Thanks again for your expertise.
This accident started loooong before the final approach.
You can say that again.
This is the case with many accidents.
Very early on, basic flight school by the look of it.
Likely the day the captain started flight training!
Yep it was possibly a combination of Murphy’s law and the Swiss cheese model...but we should wait for FDR + CVR datas to be revealed assuming what happened is not what we should do !
This supports what I predicted in that they are accustomed to ignoring the landing gear warning chime because they pull the lever early and count on the gear to automatically deploy once they shed enough speed. That is why even the tower operator seemed unconcerned about the warning chime. They hotdog their landings and they pushed it too far.
So true
bingo
Basically they fly a very advanced and safe aircraft and are hot rodding it to its limits. So SAD.
Andy - That is an interesting suggestion. I wonder if this airline have an FDM programme. If they do, this can be easily verified.
I don't think the ATC had enough time to listen to the warnings in the background. The response was barely 1 seconds long.
I've watched a number of "crash analysis" videos of this PIA incident, but all of them fell short in almost every category. As is usual, your videos are the gold standard, Juan.
I hope the voice recorder and the flight data recorder, shed some light on the last few minutes of this flight. I can't help but think that a cascade of errors and poor judgments, were at the heart of this tragedy. Its almost incomprehensible, that two commercial pilots would botch an approach so badly. As you say, Juan, following the rules, and good CRM, makes for a happy outcome. My heart goes out to the relatives and friends of the passengers and crew. This crash took only minutes, but the pain lasts for years.
The airline seniors are ex military airforce.... So I wonder if their training is generally not upto world standards... should they be allowed to operate?
I agree he is very Analytically sound clear headed talented .. i hv not seen his type on Junktube
@@sumasu4496 He was rejected by psychologist of the PIA he went to U.K got license from there & some how got his way into PIA through the UK license
These errors were so over the top and incomprehensible that it's difficult to imagine. It's as if the pilots were intoxicated and not thinking clearly.
there are other better ones, especially those by other pilots. Those by journalist or reporters or private citizens who are non-pilots are generally poor quality
Can someone explain why an outstanding journalist covering an important topic should be demonitized?
The low quality journalists on TV still get to have ads, why not this one?
Their networks pay youtube.
Unless you were creator or licencee, even created just a birthday video of your family, you meet terms & conditions. Didn't they rename editing / compilation to creators studio.
This video is monetised.
@@BrianSu He says in the video that it's not. Is he wrong?
You've answered your own question.
Can’t believe they got 7000ft/min out of the machine, and the Pilot was comfortable, unbelievable.
-"Mein 'Dive Brakes' extended and preparing to drop the 'pickle' down the stack of the ... Oh schlitz, I am nicht in mien Stuka"?
Will not be using P.I.A. anytime soon.
@@blogengeezer4507 Wasn't until the RAT came out that they heard the siren...
@@blogengeezer4507 mein Herr. mein fruend, ve give you Tomahto slice, no pickle for today...readen you reporten... mach soon!
@@davidlyon1899 Sir, that crew will no longer fly for PIA. You may resume your previous flight plans with confidence.
I love how the current technology allows the public to see exactly what seems to have happened. Truth is powerful!
-Yes. Especially when 'The Ministry of Truth', controls Truth. ;
And even when the truth becomes apparent, if often struggles to prevail, as we live in a society where people prefer to believe what they want to instead of what actually happened.
@A E true...same feeling here
@A E or maybe extend radars? fyi, realtime GPS locators are expensive and would be a toll for budget airliners let alone for 3rd world airliners.
He didn't tell us, black box is still missing, as reported by officials yesterday....
It’s literately beyond belief that this took place!
Yes, C152 pilots are supposed to get this right let alone airline pilots.
This accident is a warning for all pilots, who resume after 2 month break. Take a refresher practice.
I disagree.. 2minths forced vacation cant explain 7000ft/min...
hn bg
Yes.
Likewise aircraft also has been resting for a long time.
Gears rusted? Got stuck.
Big mistake.
Gears’ mobility not checked before being airborn.
Common sense.
All aircrafts, globally repeat globally, must be checked physically for all mobilities before letting them be airborn.
Simple.
Muhammad Salahuddin the aircraft had a few flights just before the crash.
@@Pilot2007exl it wasn't too rusty to go up.
Yes I agree with you hn bg..every pilot who has been off for 2 months should take a simulation test of landing and take off. No matter how many times you have done this, there is no chance for an error in this industry.
Man this is insane. And I'm saying that as politely and respectfully as I can.
Totally agreed. Their flight looks like me on a computer game. I'm intrigued to see how any qualified pilot could think that was anywhere near ok.
CHAOS45 100% Agree!! Inexcusable.
@@peejay1981 it is not, there is no way you should at any moment be doing 6000ft/min on approach, and the speeds...let's not even talk about that...you can do 250 to the final approach fix (4, 5 or 6 miles out from the runway) some airports even ask for it, but you have to at least be at the right altitude to slow the puppy down...you can't be fast and high and pretend to stop it...and reaching the runway at 200kts, you're never going to land that thing...it's going to float for ever, and by the time you touch down you're halfway down the runway.
Speeds and descent rates are somewhat nominal, for the Space Shuttle.
@@ljfinger Yes, but Space Shuttle was a glider landing on a tremendously long runway and with drag chutes..
Demonetizing an intelligent & experienced professional who allows normal non-aviation experts, enthusiasts nonetheless, to understand these accidents is insane!
Its to prevent people profitting from people dying.
@@christianbuczko1481 or you could also say it's censorship.
Christian Buczko ....
understood but not all of these accidents he address coherently involve fatalities
I appreciate most of the content on the channel, but also understand some of them being demonetized (reduce profiteering from tragedies).
How this any different than any other tragedy that’s on TH-cam? I just don’t agree with TH-cam’s practices being selectively enforced. Keep doing what you do sir. We appreciate it.
So far I know, and how I was taught, and how I taught for many years. "Never intercept a glideslope from above".. It's a recipe for disaster, and diving through to the dirt, as we saw
Hard to call it recovery from "controlled flight into terrain" but that's what preceded the fatalities. This is just unbelievably sad. Accidents are almost never caused by a single mistake, even one as boneheaded as this appears to be. There will almost certainly be evidence of prior behaviour that went undisciplined.
John Austin - The problem is we will never know. This will be hushed over citing grief to the families, company business, national pride will be injured, etc., you name it, Blown away as yesterdays fog.
But you can't help it if you are held high due to ATC and traffic. But... it helps when you are on the correct speed for the approach. Lowering the landing gear early will help during the descent when capturing glideslope from above.
udin737 although capturing from above is not recommended...dur to false glide information on the sensors giving false indication via the « HSI » on the PFD !
7000 feet per minute descent!!! Even playing Infinite Flight Simulator on my phone I know that’s wayyy too fast to land the A320 without crashing!
Juan is the best in the business. I appreciate you taking your time to keep all of us interested informed. I look forward to all of your videos. Thank you sir!!
Having quite a bit of Airbus time, both in 320 and 330 all I can say is this was one of the most unprofessional approaches I’ve ever read about
How to explain that a Captain with more than 17000 hours flight experience was responsible for that?
It's a real question, not irony. It's unexplainable to me until now.
Hans R. Wahl Safety culture? Public Flightaware data show thuis was a regular occurrence...
@@vamvra5498 Is it? It sounds whacked, but I was wondering if this sort of approach happens more than we'd think. Is that what flightaware shows?
cember01 Yes sadly, search in comments Noah roth
Va MVra, unreal. I’d never step foot on one of their airliners unless it was an absolute necessity.
Brilliant! Juan, I congratulate you on being one of the most informative, professional aviation people I’ve seen. What on earth were the flight deck crew doing?! A horrific final section of the flight profile! Thank you for a great video 👍🏻
Perfect pronounciation of 'Karachi' btw
Ya surprising good, wasn't expecting from a native English speaker
I also noted this.
That's a sign of a meticulous broadcater.
You are very observant. He is as proficient with his speech as he is with his analysis.
Agree. I am from Karachi.
Us Americans learn that "r" sound when we take intro Spanish classes in school ;)
This is how I take a break from studying for my private pilot written exam. Actually, it's how I augment that study: this is information every pilot should take to heart.
Daryl Davis - I retired from a career in ATC, and agree with you, anything you read about aviation will stay with you. Can I recommend, either going onto the FAA site and look up NTSB accident reports, they have all, General Aviation, Commercial and Military. As the reports were published, it was mandatory reading for us, lots of pertinent information. Another site is AOPA, almost the same, but mainly General Aviation. Best wishes, with your
flight training.
It's 3:10 AM here in Germany and here I am, watching the Blancolirio channel :-)
Thanks for Your work, Juan!
"thanks" for wwii
korzym , are you dumb ?
Followed your PIA investigation - what an excellent job you have done here. Thanks👍
I love your insight Juan
ATC radio transcript is out there. The pilot was behaving like there were no rules. They repeatedly told him to descend to the altitude he was assigned and he basically said "no thanks, we're good." So the landing gear did not lower, they didn't even try to troubleshoot and apparently just gave up and said, "oh well we'll just do a belly landing." He was way too high and landed middle of the runway, destroying the hydraulic pumps and mutilating the engines and not able to make a second attempt. Great video on assuming the diagnosis based on the design of the engines, by the way. You were spot on.
They forgot about the landing gear. They opened it on the go-around. So no problems with any equipment in the first place. Rest of yours are accurate
This crew broke ALL the rules. Totally unbelievable. Now this makes sense as to why it ended up as it did.
Please wait for the official report to be presented by the French Investigation Team, the families of crew member sare also in pain for their loss, it might be their fault but please underatand their families emotions also,..
The question is did they get enough sleep before flying that plane
why those pilot Did Not Know that the landing gear was Not move out When they land that planes... weird...
I know it's weird and it's very easy to blame someone whose not around to defend himself, he had over 17000 flying hours. ALL I'm saying is please wait for the official report to come
@Asif Khan
Nobody told you guys that the "72" virgins are also men? Allah has a good sense of humor.
it seems like the pilot spent his 25 years service driving a 1960 chevrolet c-60 truck. A pilot having 25 years of flying experience would commit such blunders is beyond my imagination. rest in peace for the effected one. great work again sir. 👍👍👍love and respect from Pakistan.
He did six or seven serious mistakes in succession, together resulting in the crash. Evan a stall at the very end.
What was the crew thinking about all those lives in their hands and they are flying crazy wow thanks for the update Juan.
culture they did it regularly.
It looks like he suddenly remembered he was supposed to land at Karachi.
But WHY
Either, he didn't configure the FMC correctly or missed the 'Top of Descent'
Thank you, or he went to answer call of nature at the last minute and asked the FO not to touch a damn thing in the cockpit. After coming back he just nose dived into the ground expecting everything would work just fine
@@Aliii378 one shouldn’t laugh but that comment is very funny
Juan, I love your analyses of these events. But I think you might be missing something: Management directives.
This crew obviously broke all the descent rules, but as a former Nuclear Plant human performance coordinator, our team learned much about management influence on worker's safety performance.
Did management punish go-arounds, or frown on them? Was the schedule all-important? Were pilots judged on their deviation from scheduled arrival times? These are things that can really change the personal dynamics of a skilled and qualified worker. I'm not a pilot but we studied you guys, as well as railroads, chem industry and other majors. Look at management's influence, the culture and the company rules. We found that it completes the picture in many cases.
The possible examples I mentioned are just that, possibilities. The go-around possibility is just one of many that I would look at if I were doing the Human Performance and Organizational investigation.
As I said, I'm not a pilot and do not work in Aviation. Sometimes, cultural traps can be as informal as a bragging-rights competition between workers with absolutely no management prompting or unwritten rules. Without a full-on corrective action investigation, with a focus not only on the actual crash and events leading up to it, but asking why? enough times to drill down to the root of the problem, the true root cause will never be known. Why did the pilot ignore the descent rules? Has it ever happened before? If so, why did it happen before? Were previous incidents investigated? Why or why not? Anytime a tragic disaster like this happens, you can bet there will be any number of officials who will attempt to save face by deflection, minimizing or obfuscation. The why questions have to be asked to get through deflection and stonewalling to get to the root cause.
Hi Simon - good point. If there is any sort of management punishment, for 'go arounds', I understand there absolutely shouldn't be, then if nothing else maybe other PIA pilots might speak up to flush this behaviour out and hopefully avoid another incident like this.
@@scienceofcambridge No US airline that I know of discourages a go around, in fact, they expect us to go around on an unstable approach.
Simon Smith - You make your points very well. Managements regularly forget, or never realise in the first place, that they employ Mk.1 Human Beings. Only when you get company culture right can you ever hope to start getting the company to perform.
Good point! It would be absolutely disheartening if go arounds were penalised by the airline..
We have three experienced people neglecting the numbers.... pilot and first officer clearly at the helm but atc shouldn’t have given the clearance with that high approach .not questioning his skills he gave all the help but he should have been stern as rock saying NO do not land with that speed
@@sumanthparakala2005 couldn't agree more !!
That’s like a space shuttle approach...the ol’ Flying Brick!
This is hard to fathom - how a trained airline crew could elect to continue an approach like this. I’m expecting the CVR to highlight a tremendous amount of human factors and CRM that likely played a very significant part in this tragedy.
Recently read a article that majority of pilots in Pakistan had a fake pilots license. Maybe this one had too.
What in the world??? The two glide slopes overlaid is crazy!! Great work Juan - thank you!
Scott Kilborn - How do you mean?
@@Trevor_Austin the standard landing slope vs what the plane flew. So many times to go around and do it right
The cockpit voice recorder will probably explain a lot.
Was thinking that too.
@Asif Khan you are not even muslim. Just with having muslim name doesn't even make you muslim nor anyone.
Another Islamophobia person here.
That's assuming the Pakistani Government will even release the FDR and CVR to the proper authorities.
Samir! You’re breaking the plenn. SAMIR!
Samir: shat up! Don’t tell me how to fly.
@@mohammedrazeem1914 ignore the trolls..
I feel pity for these kind of people..
Whenever an aircraft crashes because of a pilot error, no one would blame his religion (christanity, hinduism etc) or for being athiest. Everyone would be feeling sorry for all those on board..The pilot pays for the mistake with his life + passengers..
Islamophobia is real..
My house located close to site of incident, and always find all airlines making very gentle approach towards the runway from long distance except PIA whose aircraft are mostly over-speeding while landing and I had always feared such an eventuality. But my imaginations limited me to expecting overshooting incident some day by PIA at the other end of this runway but this captain was double stupid to do such an insane thing. Secondly had he tried to land on the right runway, then he could have easily avoided this populated area and landed in empty cantt area at least avoiding damage on ground which he could easily see from the air.. Just appears, the captain had gone mad.
Hey Mister Abdul!
I understand you have your opinions but please don't say things like 'stupid'. It hurts the sentiments of people close to the Pilot. His family and loved ones are going through double pain b/c not only they have lost a father and son but now they have to go through this investigation. Obviously you can express your opinions but please be respectful.
Hey Basil Saleem, Thank you for your nice advice. Actually it was the father of the pilot who called the investigators “gandi nali ke keerey” that in fact hurt me a lot when I feel that this pilot killed all the people who died not because of any mistake but unfortunately his madness. And after Air blue, bhoja, PIA ATR and now this. Just please tell me what should we call the people who cause this? This plane crashed close to my house and the way PIA people land, I was long expecting this only because PIA has collapsed due to irresponsible people like these. Can you even imagine any other airline pilot coming to land at double the normal speed and triple the altitude and then bang his plane on runway with out opening the wheels? It was his at least 6 the blunder which caused this tragedy and now people shall call PIA an airline which even crashed the safest plane A 320.
True there is a huge area right by the accident site, he could have just targetted the malir road, perhaps too fixated on getting to the end of runway he forgot that the plane was not flying anymore
As long as we are not ready to call ourselves stupid,we are going nowhere....admitting our mistakes is something we all need to learn.
Alot of people have lost their lives and homes due to this accident and it's completely devastating. But imagine losing your loved one and then seeing his reputation being ripped off like this publicly. It really hurts and it gets really hard to control yourself. And lets not forget this time is equally hard for his family. No man in the world would intentionally cause this accident obviously after all the pilot himself was inside the plane. The investigation is yet not complete so lets wait for the official report. But please calling someone stupid won't help anyone. Nations don't overcome tragedies by being abusive but by controlling their nerves and learning from mistakes. Whatever was the reason for the crash, the pain is the same but lets just respect the 17000 hours Captain Sajjad Gul spent working for PIA serving his people. God knows what happened on the flight. Lets keep ourselves in his families shoes and think of the trauma they must be going through. My only request is kindly don't pass comments that will hurt the sentiments of any victim of the crash but please be a little sensitive and lets help eachother get out of this miserable situation with respect.
Can't imagine what passengers thought during that steep descent. My first trans-con flight was from Indianapolis to John Wayne airport, back in the late 1980's. The pilot announced we'd clear mountain elevations then "play drop like a stone". His words. I remember pushing my foot into the floor like I was standing on a brake pedal. On subsequent trips to the area, I went LAX instead. The PIA descent was INSANE.
Wow... So essentially a driver crossing 4 lanes on the 405 to make an exit at the last second.
Excellent Analogy!!!!
Yes, He will otherwise miis the century blvd exit. He needs to catch the next flight to Karachi
At 5:30 pm on the Friday before Memorial day.
Unfortunately he slammed on the brakes in front of a semi.
Doing 120 mph.... Those poor passengers! It’s going to be interesting to get the history on this flight crew. There are usually warning signs.
What blows me away every time I think of this is that there were 2 pilots in that cockpit. 2 people fully aware of how to fly a plane failed at flying a plane.. :(
This was a huge failure of CRM (Cockpit Resource Management) and the judgment of the other pilot in cooperating with an unstable approach. But it happens. Remember Asian 214 crashing into the seawall at SFO with four CAPTAINS on the flight deck. Noone spoke up until it was way too late to salvage the approach.
In one of Juan's earlier videos on this accident, a texted reply stated that the Pilot and Co-Pilot were related (I think the family member stated one was his Uncle and the other a Cousin), so maybe the one over ruled the other.
Calling those guys pilots is a bit of a stretch...
Could there be some technical faults in the plane reading regarding height, speed etc which might have caused such unbelievable descent?
Actual readings different but plane showing different readings....they were comfortable relying upon the mistaken reading of the airplane while the actual reading/reality was different
Michael H I have been on planes where we have had unstable approaches, lots of sudden drops and a bit rocky despite no winds
Thank you Juan for the fourth in the series. Each of them clarifying even further as to what seems to have happened. God bless.
looks like he's trying to land it like a fighter jet.
With a 7000 ft/min descent rate? Not even a fighter pilot would do that.
or may be space shuttle
Good chance he was a fighter pilot moonlighting as an airline pilot. Happens a lot as these smaller countries only reservoir of pilots is their air force.
@@peterhaan9068 No he was a regular aviation pilot and with 10000 flight hours.
@@arsal09 bro 17000 correct it
I'm beginning to think that I plan my trips to the grocery store more carefully than these pilots planned their approach. But, then I used to fly small aircraft into back country airports.
Saw the live feed on mentour pilot , both of you gave the best real world talk on piloting and cockpit managing ever , thanks Bill
The breakdown(s) of how these things happen by you is amazing. Well done sir.
Thanks for your Time.... To Explain Us.....
@blancolirio From the flightaware altitude data, it appears PIA has a history of rapid declines into KHI. I found 2 instances of 5,500+ feet per minute descents in May 2020.
6,000 feet per minute peak decent rates occurred a few days prior on May 17, same flight. 30,475 ft to 13,575 ft in 3 min. flightaware.com/live/flight/PIA8303/history/20200517/0754Z/OPLA/OPKC/tracklog
Another PIA flight, PIA #8309, had a similar 5,500 feet per minute decline rate over 1 minute from 16,725 ft to 11,150 ft on May 21
flightaware.com/live/flight/PIA8309/history/20200521/0740Z/OPIS/OPKC/tracklog
Since the crash, the decent rates are more stable at a consistent sub 2,500 feet per minute.
Noah Roth Interesting, thanks.
Thanks for that insight, time that PIA get black listed again!
"There are OLD pilots, and there are BOLD pilots......"
Great INFO thanks. Descent profile on may 17 shows almost 2000 meters per minute descent rate for metric people, diving 2 km a minute !
Would be interesting to know pilots names
Brilliant work Juan. When you get subject matter experts, like you, who can communicate it is like the dawning of a new era. But boy this crew looks like they shouldn't have left the flight simulator...the Microsoft Flight Simulator.
17000 flight hours though
25 years of service with 17000 hours of flight time.. he was a very experienced pilot
@@iambilaal experienced pilots have crashed plane before
@@iambilaal Wow, then something else has gone seriously wrong.
Some one you don't see, and you ear from him we don't need to blame him, no one is going out and decided to go and die and claim alot of life, except Germany's pilot who intentionally broth the plane down.
Thank you for the interesting analysis and information about speed ,glide slopes etc.
Thank you so much for your videos!
Those passengers must have been terrified.
I was thinking the same thing. Looks like they just fell out of the sky.
yes.
Who trained these idiotic pilots???
Looks like gear didn't deploy because aircraft said No
@@blancolirio Was The Captain Drunk?... Sure looks like it.
"We are comfortable" at 7000 fpm descent. So did the gear not open since they were over speeding and didn't even notice it because all kinds of alarms are going off from their sloppy approach?
wormhole331 you make a good point.
Maybe that was Std procedure...
That seems a likely scenario. For whatever reason they got way behind the aircraft, got way in over their heads and efffed it up in monumental fashion.
No the alarms were not turn off as we heard it in ATC communication
This was sort of my idea - that for whatever reason there were already warnings going off or some other distraction, and the pilot thought they weren't chiming for the landing gear. He heard the chiming but didnt connect the dots and realize it was a gear warning. With that said I am not a pilot. It sure seems they didnt follow procedure and got in way too deep.
I am lost for words 🤔 Thank you as always Juan ...
You give the best breakdowns! A great resource for all pilots.
Wow, one bad decision after another! It's almost like they were caught oversleeping in the cabin and rushed to land the airplane.
Yeah...snoozing on a 1.5 hr flight. Dudes couldn’t negotiate a 1 block delivery @ Dominos.
That’s what I’m thinking here, then the stereotypical machoism takes over. Another CRM case study that seems too stupid to be true.
I guess a go-around looks bad on your record. He tried his best to avoid it.
John Norris - or worse, been fasting and flying with a ridiculously low blood sugar level.
@@3John-Bishop That's probably quite true, but the total destruction of an expensive aircraft & the loss of passenger lives looks even worse on ones record. It's bad for business too. But you make a good point none the less.
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I love the calm, factual manner in which you explain what happened or for now what is thought to have happened. Well done.
Thanks Juan. Your videos are so well made and informative even for a layman to the aviation field. I hope to follow you and your videos always in the future.
Lack of discipline killed so many innocent people PIA should be investigated too, if their training was very strict this probably wouldn't have happened
Thank you sir for exposing the truth, your service to the public it's invaluable
That pilot had 25 years of experience with 17000 hours of flight time..
If their training had any faults them the pilot wouldn't have achieved 25 years of service and 17000 hours of flight time
Bilal Ahmed doesn’t matter how many years of experience. This is becoming more and more like a pilot error. Bad decisions and overconfidence by the pilot resulted in this tragedy.
@@iambilaal sticking yr head in the sand wont fix a problem
@@iambilaal experienced pilots have crashed planes before
This just keeps getting more and more incredible!!!
AMAZING ANALYSIS. Much respect.
Great video Juan. Thanks for the clear and informative update clearly detailing and explaining the facts.
A descent rate over 7000ft/min. I can't even imagine how scared the passengers were.
Free Tall Terminal Velocity is 10,380 ft/min so the passengers definitely felt their stomachs dropping.
@@timhardman4764 you only feel it in your stomach when accelerating. Once you are descending at a constant speed gravity will still push you into your seat at 1 G. Like in an elevator you feel the initial acceleration but once you are up to speed you feel gravity normally. If they nosed down smoothly into the fast descent the passengers wouldn't feel it in the stomach any more than a normal descent.
Keith MacDonald That is right but in this case, it took them only 20s to go from a descent rate of 3500fpm to 7000fpm and back to 1000fpm according to the graph shown so the passengers definitely felt that acceleration.
That was my thought too. It must have been a very wild ride for the passengers. Plenty of time to have the crap scared out of some of them.
@@timhardman4764 The passengers were inside the plane, they did not have 80mph air rushing up past their bodies. They were not in free fall, like a sky diver.
This is insane. Friggin’ lunatics flying this aircraft.
Lots of la la la in the cockpit!
they were looking forward to the snak bar.
A captain that dangerous doesn’t just slip through the cracks. Someone saw his lack of skill and decision making capability in a simulator and they let him out to fly the line anyways. Shameful.
Even the space shuttle's approach wasn't that steep
I've been flowing this story...sad...one crew member ultimately deciding to risk it all...for nothing :(
Thanks Juan for the update, as a technician i have worked all kind of vertical speed indicators and the maximum speed in the dial is 6000 ft per min, i never imagined a plane descending at 7000 ft/min even the pointer has a mechanical stop preventing the pointer from moving further, is hard to believe a completely irresponsible crew violating all landing parameters causing the death of 100 peoples on board.
Excellent briefing.
Thanks Juan. ❤️👍
Been there several times thru the years. I'm 500% certain that this kind of approach is not entirely unusual in that part of the World. It's just that on this particular occasion, this crew didn't get away with it. Plenty more to say about common sense, but since this is a civilized channel, I will end with: May God bless the souls who were affected. And HUGE thanks for the GREAT reporting!!!
I think at the end..why go up once touched down..... crazy
Do you mean common sense in that part of the world?
Yeah i too want to know that, stereotyping is lazy easy, knowing truth behind is difficult
I bet they were used to landing with alarms going off. Now the CVR has gone missing... avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0
Your well balanced coverage has earned a subscribe from me, please keep up the great work Juan!
Thanks, Juan! Brilliant video again. 👍🏻
thank you dear
Thanks for your dedicated work.
A roller coaster for the passengers!! Your presentation was a clear and impartial analysis. Of course, only after the FDR analysis we will know more about the landing gear up.
excellent analysis, compliments!
Hello all and I hope all is well. My first experience here was Oroville dam coverage. What a ride this turned in to. Thank you for your knowledge and expertise Mr. Brown along with your ability to teach us how to learn.
Thanks for sharing such great information, this has become my favorite TH-cam channel and not for the tragedies but for the explanation of such important aviation topics.
Thanks !
Juan,
Thank you for this analysis and explanation.
God bless
Paul (in MA)
I heard the crew respond on the audio with control " we are comfortable now" just before they are cleared to land. I wonder what was said before that? Thanks for keeping us updated, this is a mystery to me.
There was a rapid drop of altitude based on ATC audio I listened to.
th-cam.com/video/CftF-IS4VU4/w-d-xo.html
this version seems to give more communications with the tower...
I think the atc would ve asked that u r too high to land would u b able to make it?... Before that.
Pilot's "I am comfortable" "I am satisfied" is to assure the ATController who was reminding the pilot of the issue to his awareness that he was confident and positive handling the situation, another word: no big deal.
I appreciate your fairly in-depth analysis of the available data, for the short amount of time for the video. Keep it up.
So the pilots really screwed the pooch.
Are we going to find out that this particular Capitan had black marks on his record?
A real tragedy, so sorry for all the families involved.
Cheers from Tokyo!
Looks like they went straight from driving trucks to flying a plane. It was more akin to a bomb run than a VFR landing.
Blood alcohol? Drugs? The pilot cannot have been that bad for enough flying hours to be flying an Airbus. And where is the co-pilot in all this?
@@sideshowbob5237 My thoughts exactly !!
@@Rzzyy Being rude will achieve very little.We are all allowed our opinions.Very few on here will be ignorant.
@@Rzzyy he was overconfident. He didn't obey the control tower. He said I can manage the height.
Again....all I’ve got for these guys for the second video in a row is WOW. Myself and my first officer were discussing this today (FYI we were cruising at 46,000...before I get the people telling me not to be having social conversations in the cockpit. Also we don’t have airline rules) in the G550 and were plugging in some of these profiles Juan has showed here. In many cases the FMS wouldn’t even accept the values without issues, let alone let us actually execute them. Blows my mind. “Professional” Pilots eh? Thanks Juan!
There is something very suspicious about this air crew. What training put them so far out of the envelope and led them to believe it was okay? Not to mention they never addressed the no gear situation at altitude. No professional flight crew in their right mind would travel such a flight path. My thoughts and prayers go out to the people who perished and their loved ones that they may find strength to carry on.
Perhaps they were overloaded with trying to get the plane down "On glide path" in time and with other alarms going off they never noticed that the gear did not extend (Assuming they Tried to extend the gear.)
Well it turns out that this behavior outside Standard Operating Procedures seems to be a regular occurrence in this airspace on this route see flightaware.com analysis in comments, so sad.
@asdf With All due respect, and I do entertain conspiracy theories a lot; Pakistan, my country, Is a country that requires IMF's help to operate it's day to day matters unfortunately. Other than some basic medical insurance (Averaging less than a 1000USD a year) and a post retirement pension plan provided by the Government (Half of the monthly Salary; Probably around 1500USD in this scenario), I'm almost entirely sure the pilot had no insurance plans. This was probably, Pilots error.
@asdf Brother, 97 People have passed away in this accident. We all need to know what really happened to make sure it never happens again.
With that sad,
Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
And whilst there's no evidence or motive for what you say happened, it is a theory. Perhaps even an in insensitive one for the family of the deceased.
You have your right to form your opinions, but please take the sentiments of the grieving families into consideration.
Yet another great analysis on this tragic plane crash in my City. I really appreciate all your work. It cannot be praised enough. I also love how you pronounce "Karachi" it's perfect.
Thanks, Juan
This just gets more and more strange
Amazing description for the masses.
Thank you for the very informative report!
Thank you Captain for a series of great information that you have put together very well. Disappointing aircraft handling guess thats why Doc 8168 exists and some dont even read it nor apply it for some weird reason. I have been following your technical breakedown of this tragic accident prior this last one and learnt quite a bit, thanks again. Appreciate the effort you putt in. Wishing you Blue skies and tail winds!
Thanks Juan! It seems those pilots were operating an amusement ride there at the end. Talk about asleep at the yoke.
Also, I believe you meant to say ENSURE as well.😀
Haa! a typo on top of a mis-speak...lol
Lol😂😂😂....well said
I love the birds chirping in the background!
Thanks for the clear explanations, backed by supporting data - really helps folks having a wide range of experience understand the key points. Well done!
Wow - the graphs you presented tell the story. We'll likely never know what the reason was for the poor approach.
Thanks for all your work. All your videos are so good. Joe Brewer (Fishers, Indiana, USA)
Thanks yet again Juan - excellent content, well-presented.
Juan, great job explaining the descent to land. My wife has viewed some of your videos and you make it easy to understand.
I love these update videos. So much more precise and to the point than the wild speculation in the newspapers. Hopefully, the full explanation will soon come out, especially at this time when people are hesitant at using air travel. Looking forward to the next update and loved your discussion with Petter.
Very clear explanation. It is great if flight, simulator, and ground instructors are as articulate and as inquisitive in giving details as you. Thank You.
Thanks Juan. Good work as usual.
1st: R.I.P the victims
2nd: Thanks, very clear debrief
3rd: no matter where we are from, wish you all do a proper job, to keep ppl who trust us alive
Great presentation.
Excellent content, as usual . Thank you .
Awesome Video, I am a 20 year old CFII from Florida and I really enjoy and learn from your videos, keep it up!
This guy knows how to relay complex information in a clear, concise manner -= good stuff!
Very informative and objective. Many thanks.
I was waiting for this, thanks Juan.
Thanks for taking the effort to pronounce Karachi correctly.
Another great informative video. As a former approach controller I always stressed to a trainee the importance of energy management to give an arriving pilot the ability to descend and slow to become stable on the approach. I think the word you were searching for was “ensure”. Thanks again for your expertise.
Appreciable work, thanks again