Snowbirds CL41 Tutor Crash 17 May 2020
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- What we know so far and what it looks like to me.
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UPDATE:- Birdstrike!!- th-cam.com/video/OGS3dmuPlPo/w-d-xo.html
That kinda does look like a bird... anybody who's stupid enough to fly a drone near an airport needs to see this before he gets locked up.
Maybe, but I'll wait for confirmation.
Bird strike? Possible. That might explain the "pop" sound that was heard.
Snowbird strike.
Was it a bird or a small drone. It seemed to be directly over spectators.
Tough day up here in Canada. Snowbirds mean some much to so many. The whole crew have always been amazing to be around. I’m so sadden by this. 🇨🇦
Mikey. Could you do a history show on the "Snowbirds" ? Only if you feel up to it.
I was looking forward to seeing them this morning as they had planned a show over the Okanagan but, they cancelled due to poor weather. A sad day, indeed.
I live in Ontario and have seen them a few times, always a awesome show.
@@sixtoes2313 I 2nd this.
Flying planes from the 1980s on the public dime is NOT needed and unnecessary. This is death was quite sad but was preventable at all costs had they not decided to waste tax payers money to put on an air show on the public dime. Thankfully the house the plane crashed into didn't kill anyone else, or else that would have been innocent lives taken. The potential was there though to kill many innocent lives because of this nonsense! If you want and like air shows, let it be supported by private enterprises, out in fields where they can't crash into homes and affect /disrupt people's live. What a bunch of nonsense. Maybe they'll learn now.
Please join me with a thumbs up in honor of the lost female pilot and to comfort everyone involved. Thank you for this difficult and timely report.
Jenn Casey wasn't a pilot...she was the Snowbird's public relations/media officer and was riding passenger
Beatty Farms What is the sense in picking nits? The reality is, she was a member of the CDN Forces that sadly died, while trying to bring solidarity and happiness to Canadian Citizens.
Tone She is not picking nits just making a correction so the facts are correct. No big deal.
She almost killed a bunch of ppl on the ground
@@Lucas-pe6fg As a passenger?
So sad to hear about this accident. Many years ago I flew with the team on a media flight when they preformed at the Stockton (CA) Airshow. It was the thrill of my life. I was in the #2 aircraft as we took off from Stockton and flew in formation over San Francisco. It was incredible. Being in the jet and seeing just how close and precise they flew. I was amazed as the pilot, I believe his name was Grant, never seemed to look ahead to where we were going, but instead concentrated and watched only the wingtip of the #1 jet. Their professionalism and esprit de corps was fantastic. I send out my heartfelt condolences to the pilots and crew and families affected.
Wow lucky chap! Any video?
Thank you for sharing, very interesting and respectful insight 🇨🇦
@@matthewdowd4686 No. I did take pictures, but have lost those. One of my biggest regrets.
Yes!
In formation flying you follow your lead . Looking ahead would result in an accident.
As a Canadian I am very touched by the many warm sentiments posted below. The Snowbirds are dear to us so all the kind words posted mean a lot to me... THANK YOU!
So?... Touch this.
Three more years down the ''Ragged Ass Road''.
With a nation that really couldn't give a flying flip.
A nation more concerned, by the decades long continual plummet of the Leafs & Blue Jays....and government run weed shops than their flippin country...…You Kidding Me?
In 2014...the previous Federal Government...had funded $700M... stipulating the utter necessity to replace a 1960's!? CT-114 Tutor trainer as.....the once vaunted RCAF Demonstration Team ride.
We love you.
Tally Ho Canada!
Thank you Juan for taking the time to do this report. As a Canadian, a lover of the Snowbirds, I am deeply saddened and shocked by this event. May she Rest In Peace 😢
I hope your vulgar and insensitive post is removed from the comments entirely.
@Rata 4U how on earth do you know what saddens people and to what extent??
She may have been a stranger to me too, but after watching them fly by my house one day, then crash 3 blocks away the next, it left me pretty sad..
Thanks Juan. As a Canadian and a big fan of the snowbirds, I appreciate you taking time for this today
Well said Gary, thank you.
My first flight instructor Ken Chatfield was a retired CAF pilot who storey has it ejected at almost 0/0 from a 104 on takeoff. He was a terrific pilot and I learned so much from him. He sadly passed before his time in 1993. I always think of him when I see a CAF aircraft in the sky. My condolences to the CAF and Snowbirds on this loss.
As a Canadian I thank you very much for your video and real emotion when speaking of our Snowbirds and this tragic event.
Thank you Juan. I am heart broken as a Canadian to see this. You have a very respectful way about you and I very much appreciate that.
Condolences Canada, Snowbirds are always a favorite when they visit the Dayton Ohio airshow.
Thoughts are with you Canadian folks at this difficult time, much respect from the UK.
Kamloops, BC and the rest of Canada are grieving for Captain Jennifer Casey RIP.
It's a sad day for all of us who so love the personnel who fly our Snowbirds. At any airshow, to me they are the focus. Incredibly inspiring to so many of us. To the family who have lost a loved one, our prayers are with you. Thanks Juan.
Captain Jennifer Casey was a huge loss for Canada and Canadians, She was doing something to make us All smile in Operation Inspiration and this happens, What a huge blow to moral, I watched them fly over my house in Niagara Falls Ontario and I am so proud of all the Snowbirds. God bless them all , RIP Captain Casey and thank you for your service
We met some of the pilots and crew at the Arnold Palmer Airport, Latrobe, PA air show 2019, I believe. Regular folks. Great people. Friendly. Very humble. Great flying. After the wonderful show they asked if there was an IHOP, of all places. No fancy dan restaurant. They followed us in their van, and we had a nice conversation there, with them in their flight clothes, about 10 men and women. God bless them.
SAME HERE, MAN! I live in Johnstown and was bummed we didn't get the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds in '19 at Latrobe (don't think we are getting either again this year), but decided I'll check out the Snowbirds and the other great demos. Got to meet them, and they were very nice as I would expect. Great flying too! 9 aircraft flying in formation was cool!
To hear this story was heartbreaking!
Where'd you guys take em to eat?
A lovely story!! 🙂
Juan...
I can truly feel your sadness on this situation towards the end of the video.
My heart goes out to all family members of these brave pilots who are
willing to step up and FLY to remind us that things will get better.
Stay safe and best to you and your family. You've got one of the best
channels out here for the real deal.
Oh man...a whole lot of sink rate when they punched...prayers to the crew..have always loved your show Snowbirds. Stay strong brothers & sisters ❤️🇨🇦
I moved to Reno in 2010, and have attended the air races every year since. Not sure how many times I've seen the Snowbirds perform ( here or elsewhere...) but it's been more than a few times. Condolences to everyone involved.
So you witnessed the 2011 Reno air races crash?
@@Dylan-so6su ....I missed it by one day. I was there the day before that, because the Thunderbirds were going to perform, and I wanted to see them. I was going to go back on the last day, but everything had been cancelled.
I was able to watch the Snowbirds, Red Arrows, and Thunderbirds perform before DIA opened. The Snowbirds were pure grace and beauty, they put on a truly beautiful show. Majesty and magic in the air. Then the Thunderbirds fly, OMG, felt like NFL Monday Night. everything max performance. Max G turns, .96 mach. It was a boxing match in the sky. The sneaker fly by had to have been nibbling a mach as it was quiet, then a ripping bang and full afterburner. The Snowbirds are incredible as they dance among the clouds.
'High Flight'
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high unsurpassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.
Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee
May God Bless Their Hearts and Souls.
I've seen the Thunderbirds follow the Snowbirds too and i agree 100%
This poem really got ground when President Reagan read it during the memorial after the Challenger explosion.
Exactly the same response to seeing the Snowbirds and Thunderbirds last year in Huntington Beach, Ca. Aerial ballet followed by sturm und drang on a very LOUD scale.
Todd Dembsky, thank you for your comment and this beautiful poetry ... my eyeballs were overdue for a rinse ! :-( Peggy Noonan borrowed the first and last lines, (They "slipped the surly bonds of earth ... and touched the face of God") for Ronald Reagan to commemorate the astronauts on the space shuttle Challenger. All the more appropriate on this solemn occasion, since John Magee (though born to an American father and British mother) was flying for the Canadian Royal Air force, in England, both when he soared to 33,000 feet (the presumed inspiration for his poem) and when his young life ended. Per Wikipedia : John Gillespie Magee Jr. (9 June 1922 - 11 December 1941) was a World War II Anglo-American Royal Canadian Air Force fighter pilot and poet, who wrote the poem High Flight. He was killed in an accidental mid-air collision over England in 1941. "
I was fortunate enough to see the same lineup at last year's Great Pacific Airshow in California. Absolutely heartbroken and praying for the family and loved ones of the passenger, as well as for the Snowbirds and the pilot's recovery. This must be devastating for everyone.
Thanks for a timely yet tasteful early analysis.
I'm feeling sick about this one. I have emails in my inbox from working with Jenn to do a thing about the Snowbirds training program.
That's so sad 🖤
They’ve had problems with the engines and ejection seats. One other Snowbird crash a few months ago. PAO was killed after ejection in this one. They’re an excellent team! Seen them many times at Reno. Another good report sir
last crash was Oct 19th 2019 and no injuries to pilot Last Snowbirds death was in 2008 in training
not exactly but ok... no other SB crashed a few weeks ago, that was last year in Atlanta #5 and that report is out. and the orenda they fly with is made for them, no problems at all...
EddieG typo you heard of those
Thank you, Juan, for sharing such a timely initial analysis. This is what the news media should see ... not their own speculation. May The Canadian Snowbirds Public Affairs Officer Capt. Jenn Casey rest in peace.
Very sorry to hear of the loss. Prayers for her and her loved ones, and prayers for the speedy recovery of the airmen that survived. Memory Eternal.
I flew Tutors some 40 years ago and had a compressor stall at about the same place on takeoff but from a very small bird ingestion. I was with my instructor who immediately took control as we zoomed with the idle air-start depressed. Fortunately for us we got a partial re-light of the engine but could only get 75% power back. It was enough to get around the corner, execute a tight low level pattern and land. It was a close call and watching this made the anxious memory re-emerge with chilling detail. RIP Jenn Casey and God bless the pilot Richard MacDougall I hope he fully recovers.
Always informative Juan. Thank you for this report. RIP to the fallen Snowbird 🇨🇦 pilot
I hate that it happened, huge blow for us Canadians. Thanks for your coverage on this.
Thank you for getting this out so quickly. It truly is a tragedy and I too hope everyone recovers and recovers speedily. As soon as I saw the news headline from whatever news service I thought of you and told my wife you would be getting more info soon. Sure enough...
I see the emotions you display when reviewing stories such as these. I can almost see you are reviewing your past training and what could have been done better. Just another great report
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Juan. My sympathy to the family
Thanks for filling us in on this tragic event.
Take care.
❤️👍
As a Canadian, thanks for the kind words for our Snowbirds. Return to thrilling audiences, they did. I saw them in the fall at Airshow London, and it was as spectacular as ever!
As a Canadian, the Snowbirds are very special to us and always draw a big crowd. I live near a small airport about 1 hour from Toronto that they visit every year on the way to the big Labour Day weekend Air Show in Toronto. I have had the chance to talk to a few of the pilots over the years, always humble very friendly and approachable which just makes them that more special to watch! In fact they flew directly over my house about a week before this tragic accident. It’s so nice to see so many wonderful comments from our American friends who have also seen them over the years, thanks for sharing!
This is a sad day, I have watched them for years thank you Juan for this video I heard about the crash early this afternoon, my prayers go out to the family's of these two individuals.
Thanks Yuan! I appreciate your technical and informative perspective on this accident. They are indeed a sight to see. Living near Comox, I looked forward to seeing them almost every year.
Captain Jennifer Casey, Thank You For Your Service And Commitment To Our Country 🇨🇦
Our Deepest Sympathies Go To Your Family, Your Military Family And Friends.
🇨🇦 God Speed Jennifer 🇨🇦
RIP to the lady pilot and hope the surviving pilot makes a good recovery. Thank you Juan for your channel and expert knowledge. ❤️ to all 🇨🇦
~20 seconds from failure to impact. Man, that is hard to watch. Thanks Juan.
So sad. Thank you for the information. God bless the family
Many thanks. Your closing words said what many of us, I am sure, are thinking. Sincerest condolences to the family and friends of the pilot, and a hope that the survivor recovers quickly.
Thanks Jaun. Your perspective on air accidents is invaluable.
It's very sad, a relatively young woman tragically passed away. I sat in one of those Tutor planes at an air show as a kid. Very sad, tragic news
@@linanicolia1363 I would expect that she was thoroughly trained and would have experienced high G forces before. I don't think the description of "passenger" used by some here fits. Both crew members punched out at about the same time and I suspect that given the nearly impossible conditions of the ejection, survival was more a matter of luck than anything else at the point of landing.
@@linanicolia1363 She wasn't the pilot.
@@linanicolia1363 she wasn't flying she was a photographer. I think the pilot landed on a roof. They're not saying where she landed. I don't think it was in a forrest as the main video showed. It could have been in a yard, street, or any other residential area
Sad news. Seen the Snowbirds at Westfield ANG a long while back. Quite a long show, beautiful aerial display with with a lot of finess. Got a flight poster with 11 autographs. Very humble crews, very professional
I was with VFA-106 we did a demo at Westfield back in 08.. Massachusetts is a nice area. I'm out of Nas Virginia...
Thanks for doing this, Juan. Living in the Comox Valley provides us with a special connection with the Snowbird team as they typically do their spring training out of 19 Wing Comox in April. Air Force Beach just isn't the same without them. Wishing a speeding recovery to the pilot.
As a former T-114 tutor engine technician , with 5+ years of flightline experience on the Tutor, I and other retired technicians agree it appears that the engine did compressor stall, the loud pop is indicative of the engine compressor stalling, the aircraft usually would compressor stall on run up to max rpm when the inlet guide vanes of the engine were misaligned or when there was minor unnoticed FOD damage that may be difficult to see. Also compressor stalls are more prevalent at higher altitude run ups or at higher summer temperatures
Hi Del! Very tragic indeed! One thing that appears to me to be odd is the lack of fireball after impact that may indicate a lack of fuel. What are your thoughts?
Thanks for this heartfelt posting, Juan. I've flown in and out of Kamloops many times as a passenger on DASH-8s and it is a somewhat challenging mountain airport nestled in a river valley in the Rockies. You wouldn't have a lot of options available with engine loss. That departure took them directly over the Thompson River which is only a couple hundred feet at most from where the person making the video was standing. I suspect the turn to the left was to try to edge away from 'downtown' Kamloops. The aircraft impacted a few hundred feet in from the river. Deepest sympathies for the family and friends of Captain Jennifer Casey and best wishes for a speedy recovery for the pilot.
Retired USAF SAC 135 Nav, live in Abbotsford BC now, as always, great reporting Juan. Thanks ... The Snowbirds are a great team ... a bad day today - very sad.
Really hits hard cause they were supposed to fly over here in Kelowna this morning but got called off due to weather. I have a signed posted from them my parents got me as a kid. Always makes me smile seeing them.
Rest in Paradise Cpt. Casey.
I live in Vernon and was so looking forward to seeing them today devastated 😥
Unparalleled experience, adds great quality to your videos on events like this.
Just had them fly over a couple of days ago... Very sad to hear the news. Thanks for covering this so quickly.
Canadian here who has watched the snowbirds amazing work at airshows for years. Thank you for this video; was looking forward to it all day.
Sad, RIP. Thank you Juan for the great initial report. Shared.
I always appreciate your frankness and your matter of fact approach to the information. And as a Canadian and aviation enthuaist, I appreciate your appreciation for our Snowbirds. On this Cross-Canada trip, I had the privilege to see them fly in tight formation directly overhead a few hundred feet off the deck, on 3 passes as they flew over my town. Truly an incredible sight.
Thank you for covering this, I wouldn't tune into any of our media reports for fear of BS...one snippet I did hear, they were blaming weather. Our air force designation for the Tutor is CT-114 by the way, and only the Snowbirds fly them, at least until they run out of spares. Always a pretty show from them, I hope they continue after investigation. My condolences.
@@dhardy6654 The recorders are mounted on the outside of this aircraft and deploy automatically on impact.
I heard about this on the news and heard no mention about anything weather
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td It was in the first report I heard about the incident, and that was the last until Juan's report; I didn't want to listen to wild speculation of 'experts'.
A small detail but AETE out of Cold Lake fly five CT-114s as well.
May she rest with the Lord for eternity in peace. Condolences to the Snowbird team and he family.
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Thanks for your coverage of this tragic accident. Just yesterday I had the opportunity to watch their flyover of Red Deer, Alberta from my plane 1500’ above and 3-4 miles away. This could never happen for an air show so it was a chance of a lifetime. I’m sure the Snowbirds will bounce back from this, but today I am stunned and join everyone in expressing my deepest condolences for those directly impacted by this incident.
This is extremely tragic, considering they were performing to lift the spirit of all Canadians during these challenging times. It's heartbreaking. My condolences to Jennifer's family and praying for the survivor for a full recovery. Thank you for the analysis.
As usual, great job. So many memories of watching The Snowbirds at the Abbottsford, BC over the years. They definitely put on a great show. RCAF is a first-class organization.
Yes Abbotsford Airshow Snowbirds and Mt Baker!
Thanks for the solid analysis of this sad event - good to see someone posting good info instead of nonsense. Big loss for Canada, many were following their cross country tour to lift spirits during the pandemic. Can't help but think age of the aircraft will come up later, especially if a technical fault was to blame. Successive governments have delayed a replacement type, might lead to grounding the Snowbirds for a long time with no replacement aircraft likely.
I have had the pleasure of watching and meeting the Snowbirds for I guess about 60 years. At Republic Airport (FRG) back in the "day" we were able to get pretty up close and personal with the planes and the pilots. Those were really great days. Republic used to be a base of operations during airshow season. In 1986 for the Statue of Liberty celebration(if memory serves) they were host to the Snowbirds, Patroulle de France and the Thunderbirds. Met with members of all of them but I always found the Snowbird crews to be the most low key and humble of the lot. Of all the teams I have seen throughout the years. When they were in town, it was a banner year. Ever since I got the word yesterday, I was waiting for your for your report. Thank you Juan and my deepest regrets to the family and colleagues of Captain Jennifer Casey.
Thanks Juan for the information on this horrible tragedy and for the families on the ground
Thanks as ever for sharp analysis: heart-felt condolences to the Snowbirds and all concerned. Particularly poignant and thought provoking on the day that many of us in the UK GA community (I'm a free- flyer) were returning to the skies for the first time since lock down. We know the risks but can't help being drawn aloft. Your videos help keep us safe. Thanks again and thoughts with those affected.
Thanks Jaun for another excelent report, from a Canadian ex aerospace interior designer
Thank you again, Juan. Condolences to the families and to Canada. Such a painful loss in so many ways.
Tragic indeed. Such a terrible loss for the team and for all of us who love aviation. Condolences to the family and friends of Captain Jennifer Casey, and best wishes to Captain Richard MacDougall for a complete and speedy recovery. Thank you Snowbirds for your fantastic precision aviation demonstrations, and thanks to all Canadians for your friendship from one of your southern neighbors.
tragic each time this happen! jaun thanks again for ur time
Great analysis also. I have ~2400 hrs on the jet and was a Team Coordinator (11 pilot - same position as this ejection) for three seasons. The checklist was modified after a misdiagnosed air conditioner soc problem caused a fatal ejection with a perfectly serviceable engine. The Zoom Idle Airstart described by johnpolitis was modified to Zoom (wings level) Airstart - Analyze. If loss of thrust confirmed then Idle airstart. (Prevented thrust reduction if there was usable thrust). Then, time permitting Procedure 1 (quicker) or Procedure 2 (longer) Relight procedure would be employed.
Andy Cook When was the procedure modified? What year? Do you know if that is still the current procedure? Thanks.
@Andy Cook Looks to me like the pilot was attempting a wingover type of manouver to rapidly turn around onto the diagonal rwy 22 or possibly back on to rwy27/09 or even the parallel taxiway. Personally, I think it was a reasonable decision given the excess energy he had to trade for altitude and overall situation (including calm wind/little to no tail wind on landing) and I think he would have pulled it off easily had he not spun out. Rwy 22 is short, but it is a runway. What do you think? The other option is, that he tried to zoom up while turning the plane away toward the mountain and away from the residential area and away from the river before ejecting. That seems very reasonable too.
Phil Sr in your expert opinion, what “better training” is needed? I am a civilian instructor, examiner and have 6500 hours of flying experience and I have no idea why this accident occurred. I have experienced an engine failure in flight myself and a lot happens in a very short time in which you need to make decisions and carry out actions that you have been trained to do. Humans will inevitably make some mistakes when carrying out emergency procedures, so until you’ve been in that situation I think you should keep your unfounded opinion to yourself!
Scheusselmensch. Well said.
would a restart help you if you don’t have a compressor? well if flame out she does not have altitude nor lift
Thanks Juan for a great report. You were the first (that I heard) to point out the compressor stall sound. Thanks for your very supportive comments to our Canadian team. They do put on a great show - very popular in Canada and nice to hear - also in the USA. I also hope they get back into the air soon
Wow! What a nice and well-done explanation! My heart and respect go to all these families ( Snowbirds pilots) that suffered the loss of loved ones! Love from Maui, HI
Sending love and respect from the UK RIP
So sad. My deepest condolences to family and friends of the deceased person. RIP
Tragic and so sad. Your coverage was excellent. Thank you.
Thank you Juan, a National Resource, for providing your usual outstanding breakdown of the information on hand.
Thanks Juan for covering this. I have family that lives a block away from this accident. The snowbirds are a staple of Canadiana.
Sad news Juan. May God comfort the families of those who were impacted by this tragedy.
Oh man, this breaks my heart. What a tough time. Praying for the survivor. Thank you for explaining everything.
Thank you for that insight. It is so different loosing an engine real world versus training. We had a catastrophic engine failure at 800 feet AGL with a 20 knot headwind in our Bonanza just after takeoff. It was a dire and horrific shock to the gut, one feels in slow motion like your hands are tied. We got her down belly up and walked away but gee wiz what an experience. You train for it like crazy but it's not the same, your emotions simply can't be duplicated in training. God speed to Capt. Jennifer Casey.
May be a dumb question, but is the climbing turn a standard manoeuvre in case of engine issues? I understand the need to break formation and gaining altitude, but wouldn't climbing wings level be sufficient and safer?
Wow, I watched them flyover Edmonton Alberta just the other day, Condolences to the family
Thank you Juan for the look at this. I watched the Snowbirds fly a week ago here in Ottawa as part of Operation Inspiration. My heart goes out to the Team, their friends and family. I wish Captain Richard MacDougall, the injured pilot, a speedy recovery, and RIP Captain Jennifer Casey.
Tragic. Prayers to all.Thanks again, Juan, for your superb knowledge.
God bless the Snowbirds! I have been watching them down here in the states since 1977. As you say, they are about the most impressive display team in the world, not just because they have 9 airplanes, but because their jets don't have the power-to-weight ratios that many other team's aircraft do. The Snowbirds have to be spot-on with their energy management, and their pilots need good stick and rudder skills. Oh, and did I mention that they are really nice people too.
The video you showed was far clearer than the cell phone video I had seen, but we both reached the same conclusion as to what likely happened. My heart goes out to the family of Capt. Casey. By all accounts, she was a great ambassador for Canada. Prayers also for the recovery of Capt. MacDougall.
I do hope that the US and Canada can do something to replace some of the old ejection seats that are out there. In the US, we still have aviators flying T-38As with the old Northrup seat, despite the fact that the training command airplanes have been upgraded to the "C" model, which has a zero-zero Martin Baker seat. If these brave folks are willing to defend our two countries with their lives, let's give them seats that will save their lives.
Well if God had blessed the Snow Birds...........
Saw them at Oshkosh a couple of years ago. EVERYONE knows the "Blue Angels" and "Thunderbirds". They fly fast, high perf frontline fighters but it's always neat to see the lesser known "Snowbirds" with their slower and (to me) more graceful performance. Years ago there was a team who flew Extra 300's called the "Northern Lights" which was comprised of many former "Snowbird" pilots. To this day, it remains my all time favorite form flight performance. IIRC they were last at Oshkosh around 2007 or so. I'm not sure if they're still together but I haven't seen them at Airventure in many years. RIP to the pilot and sending positive healing thoughts to the surviving member as well as all affected on the team, eyewitnesses(I've seen a number of accidents and it's not easy) and everyone on the ground.
Hey Juan - been following your channel for some time - I should have probably known you covered this at the time. I was there for this and reported on it (local radio reporter here). This was very sad and came during a very depressing stage of the pandemic. Shortly after this crash we faced a hellish wildfire season.
Right now the City of Kamloops is in the planning stages of a new park that will have a memorial for Captain Jennifer Casey, who we’d had on our air just a few days before the Snowbirds arrived in the city - it’ll be a lovely tribute.
In the end - investigators were even able to identify the species of bird that caused the flameout through DNA recovered from the wreckage believe it or not.
Memories of this day and what we all saw and did will be with me for the rest of my days I think.
Love your channel and what you do here. Keep up the great work!
We in Canada mourn our lost RCAF Officer and pray for the pilot's recovery. Thank you for such an informative report. I believe it is way past time that the Canadian government equip our Snowbirds with a much more advanced aircraft. They are among the premier demonstration teams in the world and deserve much better!
I really enjoy your videos. I like your clear explanations of what happened. Thank you for your great input.🇨🇦🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇸
Great presentation as always. Simply, light years ahead of other commentators. Thanks for all of your good work and the amiable relief you provide to us from so many other speakers. I must say that I just watched a presentation from a very well known aviation organization of which I was a member for 50+ years, and they would do well to take some lessons from you.
Well said and couldn't agree more.
@@Mary56 Thanks Mary M. His kind are painfully rare in today's world. I say we make him "the poster boy" for "Lets do things right in America again"
@@jb-qi8fz - Yes, indeed!
Love the Snowbirds! 🇨🇦 Heart-broken. Our thoughts & prayers for everyone in that they find comfort & healing. Rest in Heaven, Captain Jennifer Casey. Praying for Captain Richard MacDougall's recovery. Thank you, Juan, for sharing your thoughts & heart-felt tribute. 💝
I love your site man, Just found out about you last night and found your patreon. We need MORE guys like you that bring us aviation content. THANK YOU!!!!
The J85 is also used in one flavor of the Navy T-2 Buckeye (Nobody ever called it that, it was always the "Tadpole" when I heard it.) and was the engine in the early Lear jets.
I happen to have the CL-41 Pilot's Operating Handbook - the seats are supposed to be 0-60, so 0'/60 kts. Of course, this changes with stuff like aircraft attitude and descent rate. Nothing on how long it takes the seats to fire after the handle is pulled - it could be as long as 4-5 seconds.
For compressor stalls, the boldface is the usual, throttle to idle until the stall clears, then throttle back up. If it's a fuel control issue, rather than disturbed air, that may not work.
Airstart is also standard, throttle to Idle, mash the airstart button, and throttle up when it relights. There's a catch - The engine has to be windmilling at 12-34% RPM, which, according to the book, typically requires about 210 KIAS at sea level.
It looks like the stall hit at about the worst possible time - just after liftoff, not enough airspeed for a restart. A Motored start is possible, but it involves stopcocking the engine and a lot of switchology to reset - they wouldn't have had the time to try.
A sad day, I've seen the Showbirds fly several times, and they have always impressed me with their smoothness and precision.
Time for seats to fire after handle pull is NOT 4-5 seconds. The component delays are measured in fractions of seconds.
Signed: ex RCAF aircraft tech, 1981-2016.
@@tazman5722 Thanks for that - it depends on the seat, and on the airplane, (Single seat, 2 or more, which often requires sequencing, etc) I didn't know how the Tutor's seats worked.
(Never punched out myself, and those who have that I've talked to, say that it seems like ages between pulling the handle, and the rockets firing - but then, of course, at that point, there might be blood in your Adrenaline System.)
When pilots are trained do they get into discussions where you should not even bother trying to relight the engine just eject? Would not be fair to arm chair quarterback as the pilots were in the situation and you know they made the best decision they could based on their training, experience, and information they had. Just wondering what sort of voices of past mentors go through your head in those moments/
@@peterstickney7608 That is that time dilation phenomenon that goes on when you are trying to problem solve. Your brain is trying to process so much information so quickly www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129112147
Mr. Stickney - we are taught in GA that if we lose an engine/thrust after rotation (during take off climb), immediately nose over to maintain airspeed and buy a few seconds before it stalls. It does not appear this happened from the video...it appears the pilot continued a steep climb after the engine lost thrust, even dipped a wing before the spin occurred. I am a neophyte in comparison to this pilots' experience and credentials, but can you speculate on why she didn't nose over and try to establish a glide before ejection? Are pilots in this aircraft taught the same principles as in GA/piston powered aircraft? I'm not military and I'm not Canadian, but as a fellow pilot this kinda hurts today. Signed: Interested GA pilot, Atlanta, GA, USA
Thanks for this Juan, they practice here over Courtenay/Comox every spring. Very used to seeing them in the sky.
What do you think the 'pop' was? I didn't catch that in your video.
@@reveivl I believe it was full compressor stall. (the engine back- fired) .
Condolences to the family of the fallen pilot and to the Canadian Snowbirds. Thanks again Juan on your knowledge analysis of the tragedy.
I've subscribed to this channel ever since the Kobe Bryant crash. I'm amazed to how many air accidents happen on a daily basis.
Juan, thank you for the free education on aircrafts that you give us, I first discovered you when the Kobe Bryant helicopter went down and you’ve been spot on with your info from the jump start and now I see everybody else giving your same info months later....and I haven’t looked back....🙏🏻
A CF-18 pilot ejected at low level in Lethbridge and survived 5 years ago. It helps to have a modern ejection seat.
And that was at almost 90 degrees of bank.
Capt. Brian Bews' CF-18 jet crashed in July 2010. Watch this th-cam.com/video/0HDIxzSMp-0/w-d-xo.html and this th-cam.com/video/SwI_0FNMRmk/w-d-xo.html
10 years ago but good point.
Juan... thank you for your succinct description of the unfortunate Snowbird accident.
Our hearts go out to friends and family of RCAF Capt Jennifer Casey.
She was an exceptional human. RIP Jennifer.
Great job Juan. You are able to dig up facts very quickly and present them very human non dramatic way. Going to make you a honorary Canadian.
Thank you
Hans
I have worked with the Snowbirds at the Oregon International Airshow. A great group of folks, super nice to work with. So sad to see this happen.
Aircraft involved in this accident was Snowbird 11. Not one of the performing jets in the show but a spare aircraft with a coordinator (the pilot) and the Public Ralations Officer. (the Snowbird member killed) They fly from show to show with 11 aircraft. Nine preforming and two spares flown by non show pilots or spares. (I believe)
Either way. They are Snowbirds. A very sad day. RIP. Capt. Jennifer Casey.
Thanks for the informative video, Juan. I heli-hiked near Kamloops in the late 80's - beautiful area. Very sad to see this tragedy, and how quickly it unfolded.