EASA Suspends Pakistan International Airlines Authorization
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The EU did exactly the right thing. Without international pressure, this dangerous lack of airmanship wouldn't stop.
@wargent99 what? So air safety is racist now too? SMH !
@wargent99 What hole did you come from?
wargent99 unreal !
@wargent99 Wow. What an ignorance. Should we tolerate and fly an airline where 30% of the pilots may have an invalid pilots license? I won't fly with them, nor do I want my friends and family to fly with them, nor do I want them to fly over my house. And there are people in Europe working in administrative functions from different background, skin color and religious believes. Just that the majority is white doesn't mean that we should automatically ignore safety.
The fact that such a broken system was allowed to exist is frightening. You are absolutely correct: the people of Pakistan (and the general flying public) deserves better.
Yes, indeed.
Hi from Pakistan... PIA deserved this to be honest...they have played enough with our lives
Sadly very true.
I am happy to hear this phrase, this is the only way this company will become better, it is the way to go through to get better, I am sorry, Pakistan and Pakistani people will see better days eventually, and I am incredbly sad for the people who lost their lives
I pray that the Pakistani people are able to get what they deserve. A civil aviation system based on integrity and with the number one priority of safety.
thank you for your kind words everyone ❤️
Very true!!
"...ask me how I know..." "KA-BLAM-OH!!!" OMG, I laughed so hard, I love you Lt. Pete!
30% of licensed pilots are fraudulent operators?!!!?
What a dog's breakfast this is turning out to be.
Thanks for the report, Juan
Cheers,
“Dog’s breakfast”? I was thinking “dog’s dinner” but either way it’s a real mess. Adios!
Hey... my dogs have an amazing breakfast! 🤣 Fresh organic fruit and vegetables. They eat better than me tbh.
@@drewchia For carnivores?
I read where it was like 40% of their pilots were fraudulent 😳
@@bteamshorts To me, anything over 1% is too many.
This was much needed. Scores of civllians died in the PIA8303 crash.. all because the Pilot made such a ridiculously stupid error while descending.. from the first report of the crash.. I was suspecting a pilot error.. but the error was so insanely stupid.. it boggles one's mind. PIA needs to be held accountable for the ineptitiude of its pilots
As a Pakistani, it hurts, it really does but this is much needed slap that our aviation administrators craved for ages. They literally ran a world class airline to the ground with their nepotism, corruption and incompetent behavior. Hopefully, this ban will allow PIA and Pakistan Aviation Industry as a whole to mend their ways. We have hope with the present government, if it wasn't for their minister, it would have never came out but so glad it did. This walk of shame was necessary
All these issues at PIA were well known when I was involved in airline insurance over 30 years ago. If there had been concerted action by aviation insurers back then, to suspend the insurance coverage to apply sufficient pressure to meet suitable safety standards, things could have improved. Sadly commercial and competition considerations ruled in the aviation insurance market and corruption ruled inside Pakistan.
Who is the insuerer of pia it should be banned in aviation industry it is also their gross negligence to overlook all these things. Seems like there is no international checks on the airlines by international agencies and due to their blind eyes many human lives lost. These accidents could be prevented if we have strict adherence to SOPs trainings etc which must be furthur check by insuerer and international bodies. All aviation experts should come forward and raise their voice on this issue. Saving a single human life is more important than any other commercial interest.
@@michaelmartinez1345 It has been known under various names starting in October 1946 as Orient Airways but it is the same organisation (or lack of such) with just name changes.
I said a few weeks ago i suspected that pilot who crashed needed his licence checking. The stunning incompetency he showed cannot be explained any other way.
Both pilots involved had no licensing discepancies. They were as experienced as they should have been, unlike those 260 rogue pilots at PIA who had their flight courses taken for them for money. The mentality and attitiude of the captain especially will hopefully prove to be woefully inadequate and incompetent regardless. Just staggering.
I wont be surprised the Captain might have bought his left seat.
No way a Captain with over 17K hours of flight time can mess it up that huge.
@@linchester8464 How can you be so sure?
@@linchester8464 There were some very experienced Captains who made horrible mistakes causing huge losses of life; e.g. Captain van Zanten from KLM who was mainly responsible for the Tenerife desaster had more than 11000 hours flight experience, was the Chief Flight Instructor and the Security Director of KLM; Captain Hasanuddin from Trigana Air Service Flight 267, who flew his aircraft straight into a mountain, had even more than 25000 hours of flight experience.
So, that is sadly possible: Experience prevent not from making horrible, deadly mistakes.
Please follow this story through to the end. We have to fly in these planes and you are probably the only person spelling this out for us all. We need good people like you making sure that we, the passengers know when we are being lied to. Thank you for the work
To describe this as disheartening to the people of Pakistan would be understatement. This level of corruption and absolute disregard for safety, shouldn't be possible in this age. The Pakistan public should demand the absolute maximum punishment for those involved. It amounts to murder and should have the corresponding punishment.
Hi John, we should be greatful that it is for the first time a Pakistani government had exposed this. Because previous government have always tried to cover things up. This government has never been in power before and they are exposing all the corruption that has been carried out by previous governments. They have already exposed the fact PIA has bogus employees that were on the payroll and have never worked before for the airline, this is how the previous governments created employement. Having family from Pakistan even they agree it is about time these establishments get named and shamed around the world so that they either are overhalled or finished.
John Rodrigues Agree however those poor people have no defense against the corruption and those in power.
@@haroonsiddique6369 We have a saying in the States. It goes like this: "Sunshine is the best disinfectant." In other words, public disclosure should help expose and remediate the problem.
I've got bad news for you. Once you get outside the major western European and North American countries, everything, repeat EVERYTHING is guided and run under principles of corruption. And even within this narrow confine there's plenty of corruption to go around!
@@silasmarner7586 I am well aware
I’m an AMT at a major airline and frequently specially in the E190 I was assigned to download the FOQA data via a PCMIA card and send via Ethernet. Well now I just realize what it’s the purpose of the FOQA. Thanks Juan.
Skies of Europe just got a little safer in my opinion !
As i write a PIA flight is on it's way from BHX to ISB, as far as i can tell there are no other PIA aircraft on the ground in the UK & the 01/07/2020 (07/01/2020) inbound PIA ISB to LHR should be cancelled.
Unfortunately this is not even surprising, the only surprise is that it took so long. I've flown with PIA to Pakistan - the lack of basic safety measures was shocking!
Can you give some examples?
Kutti
Like what? Check bombs with luggage
What did you see that made you think they were operating unsafely?
Basic safety what no seat belt?no windows
Or truck driver as a pilot?lol sala Pakistan nal enni hate?
The sad thing is that PIA was an amazing airline before, with Jacqueline Kennedy (JF Kennedy's wife) endorsed the air line and stated that they were 'Great people to fly with', which then became PIA's slogan. During the 60s and 70s it was ranked one of the top and was once ranked amongst the top five in global aviation.
PIA was considered as a trend setter in Asia’s aviation industry:
* First to introduce Boeing service
* First to show in-flight movies
* First non-communist airline to fly into Peoples’ Republic of China
* First airline to operate 2nd route to China over the mighty Karakoram Range
* First airline to go into auto-ticketing.
* First airline to start legendary routes like Boutique Route and Pearl Route
* First airline to operate to Europe via Moscow
* First airline to land in Oslo
* First airline to establish a planetarium in Karachi and Lahore
* The first airline to operate ‘air safari’ by Boeing
* And the first national carrier to service its armed forces in peace and war
It upsets me to see that an airline that had sucha bright future be destroyed by corrupt individuals and establishment. I really hope they come out stonger from this or just dismanted the airline for good so no more lives are played around with.
Let's hope so. It's tragic to see what's happened to that legacy.
Sure. Maybe Shira law will help with the enforcement of airline laws and standards. Good luck.
* The first airline to hundreds of pilots with fake licenses
* The first airline to routinely kill it's passengers
* The first airline whose pilots make Mr Bean look good
And now by the grace of Almighty Allah PIA has become the first airline to kill so many innocent passengers in air crashes by their Fake pilots.
Those golden days of 1960's are long gone. Lets talk about the present now. And at present PIA is the worst and most corrupt airline in the world and it should be banned completely before more innocent passengers lose their precious lives.
@@toddscallan8781 I don't get what sharia Law has anything to do with this... you just sound pathetic. Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, Saudi, Royal Jordan, Turkish Airlines are all airlines of Muslim countries. All im stating is the fact an airline that had such a good past has been destroyed by corrupt governments and individual's.
I'm an EASA ATPL. In India, and in Pakistan- much worse in Pakistan, corruption is endemic. Never going to change. I flew in India for three years.
Simon W Sir, I have an FAA and Indian CPL. Been flying for a year now. Haven’t had to deal with any corruption yet though India could do without the red tapism and bureaucracy. Indian pilots have to jump through a whole lot of hoops to get certified. I’m sorry your experience flying in India wasn’t good.
Dashmesh. My experience was excellent, thank you. No need to apologise. I enjoyed my flying in India as much, or more than in other parts of the world. My comment was related to corruption generally. For example, one Indian chap bribed the DGCA while I was there. He told me this himself. Corruption has no place at all, in aviation. That 1/3 of Pakistan pilots are suspected of having fake licenses is awful- I'm sure that's not the case in India.
The PIA must be disbanded and started from scratch. It can't be just the pilots that have dubious credentials.
The whole Pakistani aviation regulation sector needs to be looked at to be honest.
These kind of failings just would not be allowed to happen in countries with reputable aviation regulation.
Can be** you should think harder before advocating just a single option.
The same can be said for Boeing. After all, Boeing=2, PIA=1
@@tombombadil3185 Boeing was a disgraceful mess, but consider how many accidents there could have been if PIA had as many flights as were operated by 737 Max planes around the world.
There was an estimated 8,600 737 Max flights per week.
PIA fleet has a fleet of about 31, so obviously couldn't operate anywhere near that many flights. PIA had accidents before too of course - as recently as 2016 they had an accident that killed all 46 on board.
Assuming they were flying each plane 4 times a day, that would be approximately 860 flights a week, so at the same proportion to 737 Max flights, PIA could've had 10 crashes like the one they had.
Of course, flight numbers are vastly lower now, with covid.
Tom Bombadil You need to research more before trying to make a profound statement like that. The Lion Air accident should have never occurred. Their maintenance, pilot performance, and CRM was atrocious. Easy and fun to dogpile on Boeing, but Lion Air did so many things wrong, you’d think they were TRYING to have a disaster.
Absolutely correct decision. I don't doubt that there are many fine Pilots in Pakistan, but when you find out that 15-20% of the pilots have fraudulent licenses, you can't give benefit of the doubt. Hopefully it will push Pakistani Authorities to do something about this, since this is hitting them both on Wallets and in PR department.
I think it was more like 30+%
A little correction : More than 40% PIA pilots and engineers are working on fraudulent licences and fake educational degrees/Fake certificates.
@@majesticocean5633 Given those numbers, it's interesting to speculate about how many lives the high degree of automation in modern aircraft has saved, (inadvertently) because the fake flight crews rarely have to actually FLY their aircraft.
FOQA or Flight Data Monitoring programme we had collected data from something like 3,500 sources. Trivial data is recorded such as which of the seven PTT was pressed, the pressure applied to the parking brakes, the fluid levels in the toilet and so on as well as the “big” data on speeds, rates and the positions of controls. The data extracted could be fed (even I could do it) into simulation software so that entire flights could be replayed and studied in detail. When aircraft such as the Airbus have data feeds and collection devices available “off the shelf” and software, such as Aerobytes, available as an instantaneous download it is criminal that a monitoring system has not been put in place. EASA’s prohibition might give PIA the nudge the need to put such a system in place.
To me, it's weirder that they don't already have such a system. It seems trivial to me.
@@PrincessGrouchy maybe they really know how inept over 250 of their pilots actually are but do not want to expose their management failings
Do they really need to develop their own FOQA? Couldn't they license the software from any company?
@@cleversonsutil4495 It is not just a software "program" but Management Program... that needs to be implemented deep into the "culture" of the airline, not just a software where someone just loads numbers and print or email reports.
It is just a part of a much lager safety practice across a true Safety Culture of the entire company.
Alfredo Márquez I helped start a FOQUA program years ago at a major US airline. It is not something that you can pick up a generic FOQUA template and plug in your airline info and call it good. It is an incredible amount of work and takes buy in from the pilot group. I will bet my left kidney that they will not have acceptable Program in 6 months. It is quite apparent that PIA is full of corruption rot, probably graft and a serious old boy network.
One of of the largest challenges we had when the FAA created this many moons ago was trying to convince the pilot union that the data from the FDR and other data sources would be used in any punitive manner against the flight crew.
I can’t fathom the uphill battle PIA management is going to face trying to convince their pilot group that this program will not be used punitively especially after this cluster f&ck disaster they they just had.
Hell, in this part of the world management MAY use as a weapon depending on the culture of the airline. That is a major hurdle that needs to be overcome as well. Implementing major programs like this may be easy or a nightmare because of the culture.
If you have to change the entire airline culture and with all the things coming out about this carrier, the way they have been “doing business”, it will become an agonizing slow process and may not even be achievable unless they start from scratch because it appears systemic rot permeates though all levels.
Wow, that is a bombshell Juan! Great report!
Combined with the ban on travel to the EU from the US I read this as the EU having grown a set of big ones. I'm blown away by the combination.
"I'm blown away by the combination." .... of big ones?
The attempt to cut a deal with reciprocal travel with China is rather odd. Is it covid or is it politics? Which is more important?
'Never waste a good crisis'. Lets hope not, more EU would be even worse...
it's refreshing to listen to an educated person, your vocabulary gives you away !
Having worked for Gulf Air and Etihad, I have always had a gd experience working with EASA, very professional, all of our Level D simulators were/are EASA Qualified,...thx again Juan
Five years ago I started saying to my friends,don’t even send your loved ones dead body to Pakistan on PIA.I am happy I was right.
Thanks for this insightful report Juan which included a brief but vital discussion of "FOQA" and the "Swiss Cheese Model of Human Error Calculation". Another in a series of reasons why I choose your channel to stay well informed on all things related to aviation and safety culture.
After what the actual aviation minister said, its surprising it took that long. I wonder how many other professions are similarly infected,given that aviation is probably one of the hardest to fake.
Ever see the movie "Catch Me If You Can"?
Andrew Pease Such deep corruption is in their healthcare and engineering professions too. Pakistan is a semi-failed state plagued by security instabilities and power vacuums in many parts of the country. The future looks bleak considering that political parties are stagnant and more authoritarian with each decade.
Saudi Arabia has banned doctors from Pakistan to operate in their country for similar issues (quality and corruption)
@@johnpinckney4979 Things were a lot more lax in the 1960s, accidents were also much higher(probably more due to the technology than the pilots though) Even then, he didn't actually fly the planes, he just used it to get free flights, and so people looked up to him.
I really love that line when you say "Folks in Pakistan deserves better" Thank you for doing all these video about the crash and hope we learn something from the mistakes
Good to know. Thanks for the update! And thanks also for the heads-up on Aram Bedrosian, I'm loving his music thanks to you.
Ironically, 15 years ago the global corporation that I work with hired a speaker to discuss general risk management. One analogy the speaker used in his presentation was “predictable, preventable”. His example was flying on a airline based in Pakistan. We all laughed at the time. Ironic and tragic.
Wow! Thanks for the update, Juan!
On a different note, enjoy your Tat'n Back trip. Looking forward to the vlogs and vids from The 2020 ACCA.
Definitely no surprise, especialy after watching your previous videos about case. Very good video and explanation. Thanks Juan.
I follow with Interest your Videos and I appreciate your Inputs on PIA and since I am Aviation Enthusiasts and a doctor with Aviation Medicine and Hyperbaric Medicine Qualifications , I have Learned a Lot from your Videos , PIA as I know suffers from SMS Safety Management issues and not Following the SOP , Standard Operating Procedures and your Video is spot on ,....... I hope PIA Improves its SMS and also CRM Crew Resource Management Training for both the Pilots and also the Cabin Crew who also Suffers from the SMS issues as well hope you Mention that Cabin Crew training Issues as well , that EASA also had Highlighted before
Pakistan's Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan said authorities had been investigating collusion between pilots and civil aviation officials since late 2018 to get around examinations. He said all the pilots were accused of having someone sit one or more papers for them, and sometimes even all the eight papers required for an airline pilot's licence. The 262 pilots grounded on Friday pending conclusion of inquiries against them included 141 from PIA, 9 from Air Blue, 10 from Serene Airline, and 17 from Shaheen Airlines, which has closed down, Khan said. They included 109 commercial and 153 airline transport pilots, the minister said. Pakistan's investigations into pilots' qualifications began after a 2018 crash landing in which it was found that the test date on the licence of the pilot involved had been a holiday - suggesting it was fake as testing could not have taken place on that day. That led to 16 PIA pilots being grounded early 2019. The minister said 28 of the pilots had already been found to have obtained academic degrees illegitimately and would now face criminal charges and termination. He said at least five top civil aviation officials had been suspended, and prosecutions were being considered against them and their aides in the information technology department.
The International Air Transport Association and the European Union Aviation Safety Agency have expressed concerns over such a large number of pilots having dubious credentials.
Full story - "Pakistan fake pilot scandal: 262 pilots accused of obtaining fake licenses" - www.traveller.com.au/pakistan-fake-pilot-scandal-262-pilots-accused-of-obtaining-fake-licenses-h1p1k2?promote_channel=edmail&mbnr=MTA1MTIxMDY&eid=email:nnn-13omn645-ret_newsl-membereng:nnn-04%2F11%2F2013-smh_travel-dom-travel-nnn-smh-u&campaign_code=13ITR004&list_name=10078_traveller_news&instance=2020-07-03--01-58--UTC
wow PIA ate all the cheese slices
May you can say in this case: There were not holes in the cheese, there were simply no cheese. It's really sad that 98 human beings had to die before something obviously necessary has started to be done.
I said it before, and I’ll say it again: this kind of thing happens all the time in that part of the World. I’ve been there a good number of times. I have good friends who are Pakistani, and they will tell you the same thing. We (USA) were blocked more than once from using PIA airlines even if it meant a serious delay in our itinerary. Been there, seen that. This is no unusual surprise.
Thom Thumbe hello, as bad as this, there AFRICAN COUNTRIES, whom are NOT ALLOWED IN EUROPE, much less USA,,from planes, to pilots , it is REALLY BAD, Cheers 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@flybyairplane3528 Yep. If I fly overseas, it's Delta, British Airways, or very little else. I lived in Libya and few in and out many times with Libyan Arab Airlines, but at least way back then it was staffed with mostly French pilots. No freaking way now.
@@flybyairplane3528 True, and in a global world if you want to get a piece of the action you should meet global standards for safety and professionalism. Nation states need to decide to make the investments required to meet and maintain those standards or be restricted to endangering their own civilians within their own borders or regions. No excuses. Many of these nations which spend a ton of money on ordinance, would be far better served by steering that "investment" into productive sectors like air transport.
Much appreciated. People I know in Pakistan have been scared of flying PIA for years. Its time for correction.
Juan glad you hit the topic of FOQA data... I was waiting for somone to bring this up re using it for trend analysis in order to debreif deviations.
Wow what a great update thanks Juan. What action are we taking in light of all this. On a more scary note PIA I believe is not the only airline affected by corruption, political pressures, and terrible safety standards. What will it cost to bring them out, more lives?
And Pakistan has an estimated 140 nuclear warheads? I find that disconcerting in a number of ways.
Yes.
Thank you, Juan. A well-delivered and backed up presentation of the situation in Pakistan.
I've been watching this from the beginning here on your channel. In rewatching many of your updates, I am reminded that I used to live there in Pakistan as a kid in the esrly 60s. The saying was that PIA stood for Pray In Advance. It was gallows humor, but sad that it is still a am issue.
You are so right Pakistan does deserve better.
Was that 'Kablamo' live... or was that a recording of Pete... it doesn't matter... but it seemed to be well placed in the video. 💥
It sounds like a conditioned response. Jaun says "...hard landing...", FO Pete yells "Kablamo!!"
It sounds like it was edited onto the audio to me great stuff
I'm shocked Juan. Nothing more to say. Thanks for your continued service....
Thank you Sir, for this great video......and what a great theme to end....weightless.
Excellent update Juan. Many thanks for all your content. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I enjoy your presentations. Thanks
Thanks for this disturbing information JB. I guess anything is possible with money under the table. 🤥🙁
As I heard "PiP" in the the background agreeing with you as this thing goes "KABLAMO"! 💥 You one smart kid "PiP"!
AirlineRatings.com, an airline safety and product review website, which monitors 405 airlines around the world reports that PIA is 9th fom the bottom.
A further review of incidents and crashes reveals that PIA has never had a decade where it has not crashed one of its aircraft. This is an appalling record for an international Airline !
Given the choice I would rather fly in a 737 Max than fly by PIA who's pilot could have a fake licence!!!
I think a better question is whether this is confined to just one country and/or one airline?
@@johnpinckney4979 the short answer is "no." Pakistan is hardly unique in having government corruption and a national carrier with questionable safety practices. That's always a potentially tragic combination.
I'm guessing you meant the 737 Max with the incompetent pilots? Those airlines probably aren't far off from PIA.
@@wormhole331 That's a convenient excuse for Boeing, especially with the Ethiopian airlines flight. Also, Boeing actively discouraged airlines from giving pilots extra training. See the memos they released, I never expected it to be that severe, especially compared to their past.
Also relying one a single sensor, among other issues.
Clearly there was an issue with the plane's release, the airlines didn't start operation in time with the 737 Max release, but accidents happened much more quickly with the Max.
Even 'mentour pilot'(boeing pilot with a youtube channel), who was defending Boeing, changed his attitude once he'd seen the memos etc.
@@DoubleMonoLR don't get me wrong. Boeing screwed the pooch with that initial MCAS setup especially using single sensors. But do you think if Jaun was flying those planes that they would crash? I don't think so. Because any competent pilot already knows how to recognize and fix a stab trim runaway. Faulty MCAS and lack of training for those dodgy airlines both contributed.
So essentially this latest accident is a result of systematic problems with this airline and not just one stupid pilot.
The problem is that PIA pilots are overworked yet senior management which is there by influence get all the benefits and dont even work a lot.By the this certain pilot was being made to work 12-18 hours a day daily.PIA is full of political, military high ops who run it for their own profiteering.
Err, you mean, that allowed two crappy pilots on the same plane, at the same time? Yes
It will depend on how deep the root cause is investigated.
Something like 40% of the pilots bribed their way in and do not have proper training and certifications.
The overworking of pilots are a cause of poor training and just waddle things not according to the ACS or airmen’ certification safety
There could be multiple layers of fraud in the pilot qualification records. That should be thoroughly investigated and resolved by a trusted external authority before PIA is reinstated.
Juan Browne staying on top of this stuff like a champ 👍
You Rock! Please keep up your great work and effort you do so well.....
Thanks. We in GA have something similar to FOQUA. If we beat the ATC controller to the phone to self-confess a boo-boo to the FAA, we don’t get penalized... well, maybe
Great report. Glad there being held accountable!!
Your Pakistan Airline videos have been some of your best.
You are now cleared for a Happy 4th of July 😀
Has the FAA also revoked authorization of PIA to fly or are they waiting until there is a major incident in airspace under FAA authority? Their direct flights between Pakistan & USA airports were last approved back in April 2020.
Does PIA still have any routes to the US? But I agree, the country should be on IASA category 2.
Unlikely. Have to be PC...
Not that I can see. The FAA has several advisories for flying into Pakistani airspace because of terrorism but I can't find anything regarding PIA flights to the US.
Great question!
KCautodoctor PIA can fly to Canada but not the USA.
Sir your analyzation is great and really appreciatable..
How the mighty have fallen.
I remember years ago, going to the roof of Car park 3 at Heathrow Airport and watched a PIA 747 come into land. It was the smoothest landing with hardly a puff of smoke as the tyres touched the runway. Even the group of plane spotters were open mouthed in admiration.
The autoland system on a B-747 does an amazing job of executing a smooth landing. As me how I know.
Thank you very much again for this very informative and neutral but engaged Video! Please keep ongoing this very good work, it makes this channel to one of the best on aviation.
Having been the best airline in the world to seeing where it is now...it's upsetting. Corruption took it's toll.
not yesterday, not tomorrow.........the best in the world.......:-) :-)
They do deserve better. Hopefully this will end with the safest airline industry in then world. The people there should demand nothing less. Its disgusting how this was allowed.
Great reporting as always. Thanks!
I wondered what the fallout might be as the chain of events in this accident seem to indicate a complete disregard for procedure and safety.
Not surprised. You don't make that many mistakes without there being a culture issue.
Holy cow!
Or maybe you don't report any mistakes at all
the culture here is called 'Jugaar', I suppose it's called 'Jerry rigging' in English...this goes deep in our society...we make compromises on standard protocols like if it's nothing...people often joke around that this 'thing' is only running on God's will, we are just applying 'Jugaar'
@@irtazakhan2619 Thank you. That was informative.
@@irtazakhan2619 I'm just curious, is it pronounced "Jugaar" or "Jugaad" ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugaad
WOW! Let this sink in: "More than 260 out of 860 pilot licenses issued by the Pakistani authorities and used by pilots operating for air operators certified in Pakistan are fraudulent."
More than a quarter of pilot's flying commercially in Pakistan aren't qualified to fly!! WOW!! Scary! That's some institutional "Catch Me If You Can" action right there! Looks like EASA did!
Thank you Juan for the update
Ineffective regulators, high level control and internal control...the sort of failures that brought down banks in 2008.
Great content as usual. Love your channel 👍
Great reporting Juan!
Love to hear your assessment on China flooding.
Most, if not all, institutions in Pakistan are corrupt to the core. This specially includes licence issuing bodies in government where bribes and political favours are an open secret.
If flying pilot licence system is rugged, every other system is rigged too.
Great analysis! Thank You Sir!! ✈️ 🧀
It's about time...I'm sure there are other 3rd world countries out there where you can buy your way into the Captains chair
It was being reported by Indian Media the other day that there might be 4000 pilots with fake licences in India
There is a list of airlines or even whole Countries banned from EASA airspace. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_air_carriers_banned_in_the_European_Union
Thats what scares the hell out of me. I have always suspected one mid eastern country I had no other option but to fly with for over a year.
@@irtazakhan2619 Can you share the source?
You hit the nail on its head!! This sort of thing is far more endemic in aviation, in many 3rd world countries (and some that are even considered "developed"), around the world, than most people realize!!
The only reason this insane level of fraud and deception came to light, is because of the recent PIA crash. Now, I can't be sure that it is _this_ bad in these other places (fake licenses), but major problems are still systemically present, such as poor training (including non-existent CRM), lack of skills, experience and very poor airmanship! The level of training and scrutiny that exists in the United States, is simply not there!
Aviation can give a false sense of security, because there are many "checks and balances" and redundancies that come in to "save the day" for a pilot's incompetence! But one fine day, when things actually do go wrong, the chickens come home to roost, and the result can be DEADLY, like this PIA crash (and several others we have seen around the world). This is exactly, why neither me, nor my family, know better than to *step foot* on any of these airlines! My preference, whenever possible, is to fly *ONLY US CARRIERS,* and if that is not possible, I stick to "well known" carriers like British Airways, Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines, Qantas and so on.
This video needs to go viral.
I'm doing my part.
As always thanks for detailed reporting
About the monitoring software. There are something like 180 countries in the world and almost all of them have at least one airline. I suspect that there are commercial software solutions out there for doing this.
Well, better late than never. Thanks for the info, Juan.
You said, "ask me how I know", so, I'm asking, how do you know about hard landings ;-)
Always enjoy hearing your take on all things aviation sir :-)
Good call by EASA. Calling now is better than later. Although, maybe EASA should have been onto them earlier already. As in - it is now 2020. I would have expected this sort of thing would have been chased up or investigated ages ago.
I saw a PIA triple heading into LHR today, I’m working under the flightpath and they’re around 1k feet.
Shouldn't have to worry about them anymore.
www.aerotime.aero/rytis.beresnevicius/25319-caa-ban-pia-flights-uk
12 years ago the flight I was on from Malaysia just landed at Manchester UK just ahead of a PIA flight from Pakistan. I could'nt believe the amount of security that came swarming in for that flight to check passports etc. As the passengers for that flight tagged onto the end of our line. A VERY NOTICEABLE JUMP in Processing Staff. I believe there are similar problems with certain North African Countries too. CRAZY THING IS with BREXSHIT, UK Nationals could be waiting for upto two hours to get through Customs and Immigration as Non European Nationals now have to do. Also means any regular (non business traveller) wanting to travel into the EU from Pakistan will have to transit through Dubai and Fly in through Emirates, as all National carriers ticket prices are usually more expensive.
Great report. What a mess of an airline. You have to wonder how many SPI violations the PK-8303 pilot would have had.
very informative and accurate report. thank You.
Thanks Juan for another great video, I knew from the beginning it would come to this I am meticulous when it comes to working on aircraft because I have to sign my name and number to that aircraft when I work for Alaska airlines you think of all the passengers that you are responsible for what you do on that aircraft makes the life and death some mechanics don't think about.
Love Pete in the background KABLAMO
New channel logo very sharp!
Thanks Juan great report
Absolute politicised organisation during last 30 years and irony is they are not ashamed of their wrong doing.
I’m Pakistani and it’s excellent news those who are in charge will actually now start to value what they did have and why they were doing wrong with ppl life’s
Thanks for this information. I can follow parallels with safety management systems I’m familiar with in the marine transportation industry. It makes your report very relatable. Too bad it takes a tragedy to initiate REAL action.
Many of the rules and procedures in the railroad industry were written in blood after serious wrecks.
Good info. Thanks. BTW, count me in on the Pete fan club...Kablamo!
Good to see a government entity Step Up and hold Airlines such as PIA accountable for their in actions. Lives are on the line with their incompetence and lack of skill sets to demonstrate safety as premiere and they must meet the consequences. You are not going to be operating in international airspace until you know how to ride with the herd.
Great reporting and so happy they will work to make flying safer
I could be wrong, it happened once in 1942, but this is one of the best current AIRfairs channels on the youtube
Again: Thank you very much!👍
How does this affect a pilot that has a Pakistani pilots license but is flying with another company? This seems to bring into question any pilot license from that country.
I read a news report that Vietnam, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and UAE have grounded Pakistani pilots and suspended ground engineers and mechanics until they pass a review process
It would be interested what the word license means, I assume it's for pilots of passenger jets. I will assume they have a license to fly a Cessna, but not one to fly either passenger jets or specific jets like some Airbus model. Did they try to pass licensing but failed then paid someone off or did they just buy the license and never made an attempt pass. I already will pay more to fly most western, Japan, Korea, or China airlines over anyone else including old Soviet countries, I guess paranoia is justified.
@@mykofreder1682 It means concrete an ATPL and for First Officers at least a CPL - you can easily google what that means.🙂
Thanks for your work.
I do hope other airlines will pay close attention to scrutiny of current/former PIA pilots applying to work for them if 1/3 hold fraudulently obtained licenses!
Hopefully now, Pakistan will get the kind of air worthiness from their airlines that they deserve.
Hopefully but unlikely
This isn't an "airworthiness issue". The aircraft was fine until first contact with the gear up. This is a safety and quality assurance issue. It's a company internal "personality" issue. I want to say safety culture but, I'm afraid some may say that is racist. In Canada we preach "safety culture" and it's still difficult to get the 1950's high level management mentality to listen.
Wild Bill57 I think it highly unlikely unless overseas oversight both on the flight deck and in the corridors of power (CAA/PIA) is implemented until such time that the EUSA ban can be reviewed
I wonder too if if other international authorities will follow the EUSA lead - what thinks Uncle Sam for example?
@@av8tor261 I would call it an airworthiness issue, just not with the plane but the airline itself isn't airworthy...
So I guess they will need to schedule an airline D check :D
@@Kathikas1 Unlikely. Look at the 737 MAX for guidance.
I quite enjoy your channel, and as an ex airline pilot (I think?) you often have something knowledgeable and to the point to say. But as a retired aircraft engineer I think you'll agree with me that "details" are often VERY important in professional aviation!
So I'm not being just a nit-picker when I ask you to please DROP any mention of the European Union (and I'm NOT being political either) in posts such as this one - both verbally and in writing.
Although EASA was set up under the auspices of the EU, in fact there are several Airworthiness Authorities in European countries which are NOT members of the EU. For example, my own country Switzerland, which is NOT a member of the EU, but where the "BAZL" (Bundesamt für Zivil Luftfahrt - "government department of civil aviation) IS a member of EASA but is NOT within the EU, and generally speaking, is NOT governed by EU regulations.
A similar situation PROBABLY applies to the UK CAA, where until January 2020, UK was a member of the EU but the UK CAA WAS (and currently still IS) a member of EASA. But since January 2020, the UK government is currently negotiating a set of terms and conditions as to what EU regulations will and/or will not affect the UK CAA. The results of all that remain to be seen!
AND ALSO, whether a European country is a member of the EU or not, and whether each country's Airworthiness Authority is a member of EASA or not, the way that EASA is organised is that there is a provision which allows any European state's Airworthiness Authority to "not accept" an EASA ruling if that state's own internal conditions dictate otherwise.
True , it would be unusual for any particular state's Airworthiness Authority to NOT accept an EASA ruling, but there are MANY examples of an individual Airworthiness Authority in Europe not accepting an EASA ruling.
In short, please do NOT keep "confusing" "Europe" (the continent) with the European Union (the "organisation"). They are 2 different things - as are the individual EASA members.
What's the point of all this long comment?
Well, in your title, and in your verbal presentation regarding PIA being "banned", you should state that they're "banned" from flying into (or over) Europe (the continent), and that as far as the effect of PIA's "ban" is concerned, it affects ALL of the airspace in Europe (the " continent") and NOT just the airspace of the European Union.
I realise that this is quite a subtle difference (a "detail" if you like), but as already said, in professional aviation it's the details that can often bite you in the "posterior"!
Yup, in that respect life would be much easier if there was just a single Airworthiness Authority (like the FAA) for/in Europe! But it "ain't so!"
Thanks for reading and keep up the good work.