Bathurst 2004 A9XTorana vs VYSS vs V8Supercar shootout
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2010
- This was a comparison done at Bathurst 2004 to demonstrate the advances in technology over the years of road cars versus racing cars, and of new racing cars versus old racing cars.
Cameron McConville is driving the 2004 SS Commodore
Peter Brock is driving the Holden A9X Torana
Mark Skaife is driving the 2004 Holden V8 Supercar
Carburetter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor
Brocky is just having an afternoon stroll and enjoying the drive and the memories.
Imagine if he was alive and it was wet but imagine if he knew what has happened to holden
@@jaykecraig6708 peter would be spitting chips,big time.He was Holden.Nuff said.
@@1953beetle could you imagine Mr perfects thoughts of the Holden volt lol
@@jaykecraig6708 He wouldn't pull any punches.
@@1953beetle not at all but ive always thought that Brock would have had a great view of words to DJR PENSKE with Bathurst win i say it was the darkest hour of Bathurst tbh
That view of the back of the A9X at 1.03 with the huge fuel cell behind the back wheels is something to behold.
We'll never see their like again. Thank you Brockie.
Art.
Lived in Australia for almost 13 years and one of the things j still miss is this race , wish they would televise it here .
The A9X still has the best road presence of all 3!
Agree that thing looked damn fast sitting still.
The A9X puts a lump in your throat. The VY commodore was a taxi in it's other job 😂
Jamieson Scott Nah.........GT HO Falcon. The A9X is iconic. Just.........lacks the class of the Falcon.
Nah mate give me a silver manual vy ss any day over a Torana
The Holden Torana A9X still looks like it is doing 100mph standing still.
It is in a class of it’s own and nothing out there comes even close
And now this video is almost 20 years old! Crazy how fast time goes. RIP Peter Brock!
Well said
Peter Perfect - The King of the Mountain, Mr Peter Brock. We love you and miss you and remember you fondly. Tricky Dicky Johnson was angry at Peter for not being around anymore - rivals but the utmost respect as well. He reckons Brocky should have given it away so he would still be here today. Nothing left but the memories and thankfully, footage like this and his many wins. RIP PB.
Murray Ball that is a very good tribute you did about the late peter brock we really miss peter so much he always always gave his time back to the fans for hours and hours after the races most of the team were packed up and gone were was peter still with his fans bring back GTR XU1 L34 A9X toranas to keep the spirit the late peter brock alive at bathurst sandown phillip island etc etc all different race tracks king of the mountain real cars real drivers
I wascat the Classic Adelaide rally a few years ago now , same time PB was doing Bridgestone ads , and as the cars slowly came into a winery , in comes Brocky driving a yellow Elphin open wheeler and someone yells to him "get a real car Brocky"!
Peter yells back "least its got Bridgestones on it".
He died in a car designed by an american guy also named Peter Brock, weird.
@@sandspider7375 Not quite Right but still weird. Yes the original Ford Daytona was designed by a Peter Brock but our Brocky was not driving an original Ford Daytona. His car was actually a Daytona kit car that had nothing in common with the original except the the basic shape. It was produced in Melbourne and actually used SS commodore running gear.
Johnson never raced again said if Brocky could die anyone could
Peter Brock is a legend , I remember as a kid watching him drive that Holden over the mountain with it sliding around underneath him all over the show. Unbelievable car control .
King of the Mountain.!!
He also excelled at beating women.
@@stevenspilly maybe they deserved it
@@Token_Black_Guy maybe you do
@@stevenspilly really?
My dad was a huge peter brock fan mad for him he took his life 2 years ago and just the other day i got my sister and got his old vk running gave it some tlc took her out for a drive it was a blast he was so proud of that car he built it himself just before i was born swaped in a v8 has a bigger cam rockers and pistons a holly carb runs on 50/50 mix of premium and aviation gas gets that exhaust tip white lol got celica steel case 5sp with some bmw gears if im not mistaken he loved that thing it was his babie wish he was still around to drive it some of my best memories growing up was us racing out the beach in it
Sorry to hear of your loss Maurice . Glad you have the car and some good memories. Best wishes to you ans your sister.
That is awesome mate! I'm sure your Dad was looking down with a smile mate👍🏻
Peter Brock and a true aussie Holden, we miss you both
Only the sound of the A9X sends shivers down my spine.
Would still take the Torana.
not a GMH man but agree this was excellent, Brock, Peter perfect a great driver and truely nice guy
@Jesus Ronin give your girlfriend some privacy wtf. Or u won’t have one for long😂
RIP Brocky! Legend.
amazing video. seeing PB back in the seat on the mountain,probably the last time he did it too (just guessing) actually brought a tear to my eye, thanks for the memories.gone but never forgotten i say.
Id still rather watch a grid of A9x and XBs
now that would be good to see again.
Yeah!
yeah touring car masters or something is what its called
yep and give brock two days to tune the car
@@lewishuysmans7921 Group N closer to real seventies racing than Touring Car Masters
that 308 can belt out a sweet song could listen to that sing all day
Many ford fans call them boat anchors. Them you re one then of wgat happened the the GTHOs in 1979 Bathurst where Brock didnt just beat them, he embarassed them! Winning by 6 laps is a flogging.
Imagine the A9x with supercharger or at least efi and 6 or 7 speed gearbox it would still go great.
@@bobarris it didn't need it
@@damonwells1132 it didn't back then but it would today to got up against the current lot of v8 supercars.
@@bobarris yes agreed but the a9x would be specced to match
The king just casually letting the kids have fun in their ss and supercar
Wow, this looks very well preserved for a decade old recording.
+mat2000100 it was recorded electronically, no tapes
RIP BROCKY 05 the joy in his face driving this i remember watching this live what a moment
its amazing to think this is already 15 years ago and how much respect Peter Brock had then as now. I miss these days, but still appreciate Bathurst eery year almost as much as i do reading the comments that never seem to change from year to year. PS. drove an HK holden as my first car, my mates had XY's, went to an XF, back to Commodores - loved every moment in every car, still do.
I spoke to Cam McConville about this day a number of years ago and he told me that the SS was really slow around the track so they went and re-mapped the computer to get some extra power out of it. After the re-map Cam told me that it was a new car - much more power and more enjoyable to drive around Bathurst against the Supercar and the A9X! Cool bit of trivia :)
That's interesting. The whole thing seemed like an ad for the SS despite Crompton claiming it was all about "how far we've come".
And not long after this, there was an interview with Peter and he said they put the wrong gearing in it. (Was suited more for Sandown) That's why it wasn't as quick as it should have been.
Like every LS engine ever. A POS from the factory. Untapped power just waiting.
Loved his comments in the video also about feeling like a 2.06 lol.
@@Bartman954 MAKES TOTAL SENSE. I was going to say the way Skaife passed him on Conrod like he was standing still wasn't right at all. Def wrong gearing.
Also, in 79 when Brock drove that A9X to victory, it was running a 2.6:1 diff ratio, much higher top speed on conrod, during this comparison, it was only running a 3.08 :1 Diff, would have looked a lot different.
Great to see Brocky in his A9X. Happy days
Was very fortunate to go round Taupo track in an A9X back in the 90s, what a machine!
I miss Brock. I had a 1987 VL Commodore with the Group A body kit. Damn that was a cool car to own when I was only 17.
I absolutely loved that big Banger A9x I also gotten the full size version slot car of the big Banger
Still gives me chills when brock goes round that first corner in the a9x
How evil does the A9X sound? Still one of my favourite muscle cars!
how wonderful to see Brocky have fun. I miss you mate. The comparison vid was great also.
Still gut wrenching to know that he was gone a couple years later
Race.In.Peace Mr Brock
The best part of this was once again seeing the legend Peter Perfect , the greatest Aussi driver of all time doing what he loved and does best , RIP Peter Brock , everyone misses your magic ! At lest you passed doing what you loved . He’s passion for motor sports is an inspiration to us all !
Matthew Stewart just came back to rewatch this. It makes me happy to see him in the car he loved having a cruise around the track he made his legacy at.
I often think about some of Australia’s legends I never got see perform at the best in there era , I’m just glad I got to grow up watching Brocky at his best . I doubt we will ever see another driver in our life time reaching the milestones he achieved
Far from the greatest of all time.
Awesome, loved it. The A9X was just oh so cool to watch, but really saddens me to remember Peter Brock is gone now. I met him once, he was as everyone said, just a lovely guy & a great driver.
Loved it. Brock was a legend. Imagine him in today's machines.
I can watch this lap over and over, it's sad that Bathurst isn't the old days of L34,A9X ,GTHO,E49 and Bartlett in a Camaro , Peter Williamson in a Celica 4 cylinder giving the big bangers a hard time ( 1979)
Looks like Rod Stevens stepped up to a Falcon on 79, but his Escort had some great battles with Peter Williamson in his Celica
Yep, that Celica went bloody hard
The A9X is the most expensive there, and still the most fun to drive!
This will never get old.
So sad we won't see aussie supercars anymore , all we have
is the memories & these videos 😭
Thanx uploader... seeing brocky drive again was just the pick up I needed.
Don't forget the a9x was under the touring car speciations a basically a road car with better tyres and brakes with the safety gear thrown in , you could buy the Torana with same engine and drivetrain and use it on the road .
Same as the SS that's a off showroom floor I own one now and they go well
And also for the weekend was fitted with the wrong diff ratio which is why he was hitting Max revs early on Conrad straight. In 1979 the A9x and falcons were reaching over 270kph during the race.
Thanks for putting that up. Awesome piece of footage.
Peter Brock and his A9X Torana are the only things worth watching in this clip p.s we miss you BROCKY....
That A9X sounds like Angels from heaven
love the variety in the old body shapes
Loved every minute and every Metre of this video..I love when you do comparisons with cars , just magic..I'm just sorry Peter isn't around to do more , he was so good..
RIP Brocky passing in 2006 I treasure the signed memorabilia I was given by you!!
Would love to see a 2019 supercar now included in the mix.
Rest In Peace Brocky you will be in our hearts forever
Nothing compares to the A9X...Under race conditions, the 20 odd seconds Skaife gave Brock, he would NOT have caught him...Fastest Bathurst 2004 lap time was about 2:08 & Brocky did a 2:20 on last lap in 1979 on old tyres on the last lap when 6 laps ahead & broke lap record...Such true dominance...Todays' drivers have it so easy...
I just finished watching this on a VHS tape that I was making a digital copy of. This upload is MUCH better quality than mine.
Awesome stuff.
Analog quality has a charm to it though especially when you play it through a CRT.
Perhaps I'll upload my copy after-all
Fast forward to 2020 No more Holden. 😥
Betrayed by idiot industrialists and dillgaf government.
@@larrybarnes3920 DILLIGAF
@@kulaak-krii with out unions we would be like america and work our selves in to the ground with 3 jobs and all relying on tips to get buy, the workers make the business with out a happy worker ur business goes bye bye..
@@kulaak-krii yeah, well their unions are shit coz they still work 3 jobs and rely on tips to barely survive..
@@kulaak-krii i prefer unions coz they get wat the workers want and can save ur ass if u get unfair dismissal but yeah they can go over board for stupid shit.. my old man was in a union and it made him the most happiest worker ever he was more then happy to work coz of the conditions the unions got for him but I guess it depends wat work u do as my old man was a form work labourer and they work damn hard..
RIP the GREAT Peter Brock good to see him here
Remember that the A9X was running a four-speed box, and since it raced for months afterwards in NZ, it probably didn't have the long Bathurst gearing in it, for PB on the day in 2004. I wonder how much further forward he would have been if it was in full Bathurst trim ...
Yes it had a 3.55 ratio in it not the usual high speed 3.08
In 79 they ran a 2 .6 diff, the top end would've been much faster down Conrod
Love the comparison demo's. 👌
Brocky and the A9X are legends of their time , you can't change that :-)
Thanks. Lovely to see and hear PB . TH-cam is a wonder.
Holden Torana, it came from the factory looking like that. Love the bolt on flares.
Would be great to see how the first Commodore (VB) would go against the last Commodore (VF2).
VF isn't a VF
That was a wonderful comparison, no bones about it!
Gotta Luv that Torana on song what a car.. Holden and pb what a legend. Miss him so much..
Congrats on the new boat. 👍
Skaife is a master at the wheel.
was good to find this video and see Brocky take to the mountain for what would be the final time
all hail the King of the Mountain
R . I . P Peter Brock . One of the Greats . VERY Serious and Crotchety to work with apparently , but a Rare Talent nonetheless .
It's concrete now no doubts. Brocks secret weapon was window down arm on the door.
It’s like the ultimate game of cat and mouse still get excited every time I watch this and I’ve watched it at least a thousand times
SS Commodore- amazing vehicle. Likewise the ‘79 Torana & Brocky the absolute Legend!!
The A9X had the slower top speed 3.55 in it compared to Bathurst 79 it had the 3.08 in it.
That's a cool comparison run gave the old car the best chance too
give us a grid of toranas and gt falcons.... no fancy technology, just an engine, 4 wheels and maad drivers
Check out the Touring Car Masters series.
@@JBofBrisbane Why do ppl keep comparing the good old days to todays touring masters. No comparison. Todays masters have so many new mod cons in them that its a joke to say they are the same cars.
Bloody awesome to see three ledges on the best race track (Holden the king of the mountain 🤘)
I miss Peter Brock, I remember when some younger drivers giving him grief about his speed in his older years,, disrespectful rug rats.
Bloody tears to my eyes. Rest PB. Miss ya mate.
What beautiful nostalgia! A paid presentation produced by GM from yesteryear when Australia had a car industry.
My old man had a lime green A9X and a SLR at the same time. I was a bit to young to appreciate what was in our driveway.
Great to see Brocky doing his thing ⁉️👍👍👍👌👌
The more modern cars have the technology, but that Torana had the looks. It was a beautiful car, and to win Bathurst by 6 laps...That is a special car.
Na, the Torana was a box.
Magnificent bit of machinery indeed!!!
Here in 2020 during covid19 still remembered this classic.
why mention covid, unrelated
Imagine if the Torana had another gear or 2.
doesn't matter how many gears. it's the final drive ratio that matters. a 4 speed will still have the same top speed as a 6 speed, the gears will just be spaced differently
No difference Can"t beat handling, aerodynamics & Horsepower.
@@lukeb5855 they could change the final drive ratio with more gears without hindering acceleration while increasing top speed and keeping the power in the sweet spot
Another commenter said it was later revealed that the Torana actually had Sandown gearing in it, hence why Skaife passed him on Conrod like he was standing still. Had no top end speed.
Your right there was only the slow speed 3.55 ratio avail as ble normally it would have the 3.08 ratio.
Who on earth would thumbs down this video??
Pitttdog a Ford fan
Cool shootout!
I remember as a kid my dad and his mates working on cars all day and night
Fast forward 40 years that is no longer happening.
Technology SUCKS.
It's A Mad World I hear ya, very fond memories of those times. A mechanic walking up to your car and plugging in a thing that looks like a multimeter into a socket under your dash is just not the same😢 anyway I don’t think any of us care where the Torana finished, those cars and seeing Peter Brock, they won from the moment they got on the track👍
It's A Mad World still does at my house
Maybe its not technology, maybe hes just old now
Mark Francis I’m old but adjusted
Thank god for the reliability of modern cars, but you still service them the same in your garage at home. They still need the engine oil changed, oil filter, air filter, trans fluid, diff oils, transfer case oil if a 4wd, power steering fluid, brake fluid, brake & rotor changes. Auto trans fluid can be a more involved process these days to change the fluid on but that’s part of the fun. More involved tinkering at home with mates & beers would be changing a timing belt & water pump, or rocker cover gaskets on a V6. You can still buy older cars if you want to spend 200% more of your time working on them because things go wrong with them more frequently. I know I wouldn’t be too keen.
Rip the king of the mountain
I'm not a Holden fan, but that car being 'PRESERVED' is absolutely awesome. That's a piece of Ozzie history that car... I know that's as obvious as the nose on my face!
Brock didn't have a Polariser installed :p
God, I miss the 70's (and early 80's), when the Bathurst enduro was at its most exciting with all the different classes, makes and models and when the track wasn't as sanitized with the concrete barriers, Tyre walls and a million other things to make the track safer. And I miss the drivers like Moffat, Brock, Grice, Morris, Goss and Barlett, brilliant behind the wheel and genuine characters in front of the camera.
Love all three of these cars...but if you were to offer me one of them, A9X would explode from my mouth before you'd finished the question.
But...if I were offered the choice of the A9X, or to have Brocky (and Holden) still with us doing what they did best ... 😢
R.I.P Legend.
I would gladly take the A9X any day, fucking awesome.
Nice cars i love theTorana its great to see the king of the mountain look like he was on a sunday drive what a sort he was hay the magnificent Peter Brock best racing car driver ever he was always doing extra stuff for charity as i remember it he was a big boost for charities too theres now a massive hole in Australia since Peter Perfect died RIP Mate the second true Aussie Legend weve lost that year Steve Irwin also died way too young around the same time huge blows to Australians everywhere RIP Boys XXOO
As a FORD man speaking, I'd take the A9X Any day of the week
I feel lucky to have just watched this
That torana is just awesome
The torana still looks the best by far.
Onya Brocky , You’ll always be a legend and Hero to many ⁉️👍👍👍👌🇦🇺
I'll have the Torana thanks.
based on the start times the SS came last & you have you consider the the Torana wasn't even being flogged. they should have put an R32 gtr out for good measure too
A9X is nice good looking car.
Sorry but "The King of the Mountain" and the beautiful, legendary A9X Torana stole and won the race in every sense just standing still at the start line......
Torana still legend
My favourite car and love to have one day
Pretty cool stuff
As a Ford man, that Torana is awesome.
Wow what memories of Brock
Looks like they got the release times about right for the last 2 at least. About an 18 second gap which represents the difference between qualifying times in 1979 and 2004 (adding 6 seconds to the 1979 time due to Caltex Chase not existing then)
A9X had the low speed diff ratio but a great show.
The SS didn't beat Brock, by the margin he gave in the start. Interesting.