2023 Ford Super Duty VS 2023 Ram Heavy Duty: Ram Needs To Play Catchup
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Today I compare a 2023 Ford F-350 Super Duty to a 2023 Ram 3500 Heavy Duty! In This video I talk about the 2023 Ford 7.3L V8, 2023 Ford 6.8L V8, 2023 Ford 6.7L Power Stroke, and 2023 Ford 6.7L High Output Power Stroke. I compare those Ford powertrains to the 2023 Ram 6.4L Hemi, 2023 Ram 6.7L Cummins, and 2023 Ram 6.7L High Output Cummins!
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I would love to drive the new High Output Powerstroke. Such a beast.
I ordered a new high output can't wait to drive it.
@CodEagleYt That's awesome congrats!
@@drewelliott9062 thanks man. I'm so curious how the new high output drives. I looked all over the place for a video but couldn't find one.
That's the 7. 3 Godzilla?
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr no the 7.3L godzilla is a v8 gas engine. The high output powerstroke is a 500HP diesel engine with the 1200 lb-ft of torque.
I have a 21 F350 powerstroke with 3.31 axle. I love the power. I feel like the Ram may have nice interiors but the size of the cab on my Ford is a cavern. I love it and the Platinum package is sweet.
Until Ram comes out with a new HD transmission, I'll have to swing on the Ford side.
Which ruck rides better unloaded? That is more important to most people than which truck can tow an extra 1000 pounds.
I would go with the Ford with the 7.3 gas engine. The towing numbers for that motor are impressive with out spending an extra 10K to 12,500 for a Diesel that is going to cost you more to run per mile. The 7.3 will tow much more than most people will ever need.
That is what I have a 2021 F-250 with the Tremor package. Perfect for pulling my 12,000 lbs.
Towing with a diesel is a better experience. Not to mention you get way better mpg with the diesel.
7.3 gasser shouldn’t exist. It gets terrible MPG. The standard should be the diesel, but Ford is trying to make a buck.
If you like Ford you have to admit this is the best super duty so far
I used to think more was better. But if you are not working these trucks everyday hauling you don’t need all that torque. I just purchased a gas 6.4 with the 4:10 gears and I am awesomely surprised. I tow a 35’ gooseneck equipment trailer a 30’ cattle stock trailer and it pulls them with no problem. This gas truck has made me a believer no more diesel trucks. Especially till the fix the emissions problems all diesel truck have. I have owned 5 diesel trucks before this gas truck and I’m sold on the gas trucks.
I'm currently looking at my first truck and want something I can work. I haven't made up my mind about deisel or gas. What exhaust problems are you takking about? I've not heard of them before.
@@dantomahawk3454 All diesels, all brands are having DEF problems. Its not the trucks its the stupid DEF systems. I have owned 5 diesels and my last ram a 2015 Cummins I deleted the truck at 10K miles and had over 320K miles until I dropped a valve. I was a diesel man love my trucks I still have a 1998 12 valve with 500K miles and love the truck. But I just purchased a 2021 ram 2500 6.4 gas Limited and absolutely love it. As I just found out the gas trucks have a higher payload than diesel trucks.
@@srad98ful what are the systems doing (or not doing) exactly? I'm guessing it's a pain to fix if it's fixable.
@@dantomahawk3454 just look up DEF issues. It’s all brands
@@dantomahawk3454 Everything is fixable. But the diesel exhaust emissions system with particle filter and catalyst (uses DEF) and etc. is a lot of expensive, unreliable parts. Getty Adventures did a video on it for a quick summary.
I'll never be getting any of these truck, but I still like the comparison. Keep in mind RAM hasn't refreshed their trucks yet. Can't to see what they will do! Also Ben where are your glasses??
Well...Ram hasn't refreshed, guess that's their problem.
It's typical of Ram and GM to do sweet fuck all.
And Toyota in the half tons.
Ram has outpriced themselves in this market. An equivalent Ford f250 to Ram 2500 with the same options the ford is about 5k cheaper
That depends I’ve been looking at both and I find Ford $3k-$5k over Rams price comparable model.
Yep, if you order one from the builder websites, the Ram is more money with less options.
I built an XL 350 and a Tradesman 3500, as close to the same as possible. Ram doesn't offer as many options and their options were higher priced. Both crew cab, long bed gassers.
The Ram was around $4,500 more.
Ram all the way! Ours still going strong 400000 miles in northern Canada 🇨🇦
I've watched so many Ram reviews and I cant believe not a single one mentions the transmission tunnel that takes up half of the passenger footwell....I went a long way down the road (no pun intended) towards a Ram before taking the girlfriend on a test ride, and it was a non starter, literally crossed HD rams off the list for that one reason!
I'm a Ford guy. That new 7.3 is so good and strong. I tow heavy, but only one every few months, though usually for a couple thousand miles. I still couldn't justify the up front cost, maintenance, and eventual DEF and fuel system issues to get a diesel when that 7.3 gasser exists. Throw a few pounds boost with a mild supercharger and it makes 600 HP!
I looked at all 3 brands before buying a Ram recently. I noticed that the Ford andGm dealerships had there trucks marked up as much as 6000 dollars. Maker adjustment they called it. ❤While Chrysler had a 10 percent stand alone discount. Not a hard decision for me. I also believe the Cummins diesel is the best engine in a pickup.
The answer is the Ford,
100% i have a 2023 Powerstroke and it's my favorite truck of all time.
The Superduty's headlights and surrounds are too big and stupid looking. At least the RAM doesn't look weird.
1200 pound feet of torque. That’s a semi territory, almost. 😮
It’s on the lower end by commercial standards. Most of your Detroits, Cats, Cummins and in house engines are anywhere from 1600lbs to over 2200lb ft of torque. I think something like an old Maxforce 9 would be around 900lb ft but it’s only rated for light stuff. They are impressive nevertheless.
You want to do a real comparison. Hook these 2 up to something ridiculously heavy and see which one pulls better. Numbers don't matter, performance does.
Both of them look good.
The HO Cummins does not come with a 68RFE. It comes with an Aisin transmission.
which is better
I think each manufacturer from Ford to GM to Ram has its plus and minuses. I've owned all 3 from gas to diesel over the years. I like Ram offers push button start standard, Ford doesn't but offers other benefits on lower trim levels. I priced a 24 Chevy base and with some added options and came out comparable in price to a base Ford and Ram with not nearly the options. In my opinion it comes down to what your looking for. Then of course powertrain and what you need and what you like. Bottom line though is all trucks are overpriced these days and I wish people would stop buying at these prices! Quick question, you recently did a review on the red F350 xlt but it did not have power adjustment mirrors. What package on this was different giving that option? Thanks for the reviews Ben
My 2020 powerstroke has 4585lbs payload. Also have the longbed.
What Ram needs:
-Upgrade the chassis and body on the HD trucks to match the 1500s since they’re still using components from the 4th Gen trucks, which haven’t had too many major updates since 2010. Let that sink in. This would also allow them to put the Dual Pane Panoramic Sunroof and the Multi-Function Tailgate on the HD. It’s also possible we might get RamBoxes on the 8’ bed or the 3500 DRW.
-The new diesel transmission will almost certainly be the ZF Powerline 8-speed. Although the Allison is extremely unlikely to happen, if they do go with Allison, it’ll be the 9-speed rather than the 10-speed “Allison” in the GM diesel trucks. But regardless, the new transmission will be entirely shift by wire, so the column shifter will be deleted and replaced with the dial shifter, which is already being used on the HD Rams with the Hemi since they have an 8-speed from ZF.
-I would hope that they upgrade the specs on the Cummins diesel engines. I would make it so that the new Standard Output would be equal to the current High Output, which is 420 HP and 1075 lb-ft. of torque. The new High Output would produce something like 475 HP (equal to the Duramax) and 1300 lb-ft. of torque, which would be more than the new High Output Powerstroke in the Ford Super Duty. I’m going to go out on a limb and say the max towing capacity with the High Output would climb to 42,069 lbs. (I had to make that joke 😂).
-I already know this would never happen, but I can dream, right? The price needs to be severely reduced. I would think $50K is probably going to be the starting price for the new Ram HD, but I wouldn’t spend more than that on even a Limited model.
I would say gooseneck towing numbers are more important to buyers in this segment.
I have a 150 platinum and it has 300+k I'm going to purchase a new truck in the autumn of next year right now I like the 7.3 godzia and the duramax of those two I like the ford.
I'd love to check out the power of the ho sd. People who say they don't need the extra power, that's fine but pulling the triple axle toy hauler through the Colorado, I'll take as much power as I can get!
Most people also don't realize through the mountains the exhaust brake on the Diesels is a big help.
A Tradesman would equal an XL model. And the XLT model would equal to a Big Horn
F250 Super Cab with the 7.3L and 4.30 rear axle. I am concerned about the ride though compared to the Ram 2500. Your test of that Red F350 recently seemed rough on the highway.
Ram needs to offer rear locking diffs in trim levels like Ford! Wish my husband's 22 Ram 2500 6.4 hemi 4x4 had a rear locker like my 19 f150 fx4
Your 2500 Ram doesn’t have anti spin rear ?
it usually has an anti spin rear axle or lsd
Girls trying to talk trucks is always so cute 😆
It does have a limited slip but it sucks in the deep sand with the traction control off! My 2019 ford f150 fx4 with the e-locker does better in the sand!
Hey I definitely believe Fords truck frames are much stronger than Rams. This is a big factor in truck purchase decision. I was going to go with Ram but now looking at F250 and a 2022
I’d take either. Only downside with Ram is their chassis components aren’t quite up to par as Ford. I daily towed with Ram and they seem to require more servicing over time, wheel bearings, shocks, calipers and the cooling systems do tend to leak more. Ford seems to have a beefier chassis, but the Cummins is smooth and I like the front floor storage in the Ram.
Both are good ford is newer so it should be better so you really can’t go wrong with either.
They both pull but what engine last longer only Cummings
Clean the snow off of the trucks before you drive them! Geez 🙄
Higher GVWR means more payload. More payload means more towing capacity. A minimum of 10% for bumper pull, 25% recommended for GN/FW. For the max towing DRW rating, the 37k tow cap with a payload of 5200lbs(thats a 14% GTW) I personally wouldn't pull a a bumper pull trailer over 10k, without 15% hitch weight. 15% for GN/FW upto 18k, more than 20% over 20k. You need weight on the drive axle to "lead" the trailer
Ford 6.8 10 speed xl regular cab is the one!
I'm still trying to figure out why ram is using the 6 speed transmission in 23? I've got a 19 1500 with the new 8 speed, so what gives ram? Depends on prices, but I'd go with the 6.8 or 7.3 Ford due to payload, however, I do like the ram overall, minus the 6 speed, and 3.73 gears are a good fit for what I do delivering parts to paint and body shops in the west Texas area
I have a 22 Ram 6.7L with the 6 speed, and it works perfectly when I'm towing in the 20K range. It's not a 1/4 mile truck by any means but towing, I'd never go back to Ford or a Chevy. It pulls like a freight train, and I've never had any issues with long grades, up and down hills, or hunting for gear.
@@TheElderOne2003- I agree, I have a 2022 Ram Dually with the H.O. Cummins, the 6 speed handles pulling heavy 5th wheels just fine. It doesn't bother me at all that it's not a 10 speed. Considering my truck weighs well over 9,000 lbs. the acceleration is actually pretty impressive.
I don’t understand why everyone wants a 24 speed automatic. A standard 6 speed automatic is fine. Had you not had so many little boys in skinny jeans buying trucks you’d still have a manual transmission. Americans cause their own problems then complains about it
Whats the different between super duty and heavy duty truck?is the title given means anything?
Ram is a REAL man’s truck
I do like that color on the ford.
Dodge or ford doesn't really matter it's all personal preference. There's dodge guys and ford guys and Chevy guys still doesn't matter. All personal preference.
what's the 5th. wheel towing spec. with the 7.3 373 rear.?
7.3 with 4.30 is my thought when I buy new one
That’s what I have. It’s awesome. I highly recommend it.
Exactly. Only 4.30. Can't imagine why anyone would buy a SD, and then give up torque to save a splash of fuel here and there.
@@swampgumpharpy7977 I agree. But If you’re buying a super duty for payload only and really don’t tow at all and don’t get larger/heavier tires, then 4.30 isn’t really needed. And if you drive all expressway the lower numerical options will save you 1-2mpg. My dads 7.3 with 3.55 gears gets about 10% better mpg than mine with 4.30, but his truck shifts on every little incline with stock tires. I love my 4.30s and it has so much power. I can climb hills at 45mph in 10th gear with heavy 35x12.550 off-road tires.
@@cliffordmontana4562 Haven't driven one but saw Ben's test drive of a F350 with the 7.3 recently. Looked like a brittle ride. If you can how would you compare the Ford's ride to the Ram 2500 and Silverado 2500, all with gas engines? Thinking about a daily driver with weekend towing/hauling.
@@dantimber Silverados and GMCs ride the best because they don’t have a solid front axle, but they are the ugliest trucks I’ve ever seen in my life. They make Toyotas look good, and that’s saying something. Ram’s heavy duty truck is ancient, they ride about like the ford but it’s sooo outdated and has a small backseat. I like Ram, but I wouldn’t consider them unless you can get one for 10k cheaper than the other brands. Ford has the toughest front end of the bunch (components are HUGE), it’s built for plowing and hard work, and it rides a little worse, and they also let you pick different gear ratios. If you want 4.30, ford is your only choice. GM doesn’t think you deserve a choice, and they give you 3.73. If you air down your tires to 50 psi is helps ALOT with ride quality., but it’s still a stiffer ride than a half ton truck. But MILES ahead of old heavy duty trucks. I don’t mind it at all and I feel like a boss driving my Godzilla. Good luck!
Hello 6.8L V8,The 8 Speed Automatic Is Not For Ram,Only The 10 Speed Automatic Just Like Ford F-Series,GMC Sierra Series & Chevy Silverado Series.
The only issue with Ram is the trans. Zf need to build a trans for Ram Hds. A lot of people talk about the Ford being more reliable than Ram are delusional both got rated terrible for reliabilty in the last couple of years 😂 pick ur poison
Ford still number one truck bro, stop the 🧢
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr no it isn't they all have issues it's the reason why I said pick ur poison go look at the recalls Ford HDs have 😂
@@dor1tomcswagger69 its still number one idiot. None of them are perfect.
Relating To The Front Air Dams,Look At The Sizes Of Both Bumpers?
Is it still snowing in Utah or was this recorded earlier this year? It got up to 90 in North Texas yesterday.
It is still snowing here in Utah! Snowing right now outside my house
@@kadenhopper8209 That Ford truck is Awesome
The Ford 7.3 gas engine is a $1,800 option over the base 6.8 l.
Showed as a no cost option on this truck
thats for XL the higher trims have it standard same as 4x4 ... price does reflect the adjustments lol
@@PKDesigns2011I just purchased a 6.8L STX FX4 and the sticker was actually $1k higher than a base XLT with 7.3 and FX4. I did wiggle out a couple thousand dollars in discounts on the STX so it ended up cheaper but if you don't care about the nice appearance of the STX you can get more truck for your money with the XLT.
I was watching the guy who owns ATS diesel and he was talking about how, in fact, the 68rfe is old!
Cmon Ram!
Hey But the ZF 8 Speed is an excellent transmission. They will no doubt come out with a Heavy Duty 10 speed .
@joseph puchel agreed. I have one in my 2014 diesel bmw and love it. Just wish they'd quit messing around and put behind the Cummins!
The Ram front end is starting to look a little dated but torque is king!
Ram will never be able to play catch-up that’s the funniest part 😂
I want a steering wbeel for my bike❤
both are powerful trucks
Just need the same video but for gas versions I’m ready to ditch my diesel.
I’d still go Ram for reliability. Still love our 12’ Ram. Ford has had so many recalls and issues lately.
RAM doesn’t have as many recalls because they haven’t updated their truck in a decade! It’s had the same cab for 15 years! There’s half the rear leg room as the Ford. Plus ford has aluminum body, which is great where there’s road salt. I like RAM and have owned a few, but the Super Duty BLOWS the Ram out of the water.
Tow those those DSees to theiir gravex
iv been looking and comparing HD trucks for the last couple years. Intent is to daily drive (20 miles-ish each way from work) and tow a trailer 3-4-5 times a year. So Im in it for a gasser (up front cost, maintenance & fuel cost overall) Im goin Ford F350 w/ 7.3 & probly a 3.73 gear. Cost & capability to me just makes the most since. I have never been a ford guy (grew up a GM lover) but love me some mopar tho!! I think its just to damn hard to beat the Ford right now! Wished it was the Ram, but... it is what it is!!
I can't imagine giving up the capability of 4.30 gearing on a gasser to save what really amounts to almost no notable mpg savings.
That's just me. I use my SD as a regular driver (not daily), and the torque to wheels and acceleration with low gearing is awesome. Especially when you need it.
Ram can't afford to update their truck
You should say we're there made. Everyone knows the Hemi is not a hemispherical head engine it's just called that. And all HEMIs are made in Mexico
Stop comparing gassers to diesels
With fords 6.8 & 7.3 gas options and chevys 6.6 w/ 10 speed why would someone buy the gas Ram? It’s behind in power, performance and has a 6 speed. Even the old Chevy 6.0 and 6speed was a better option.
HO Power Stroke
Ford
Ford always had stiffer suspension than a Chevy or Ram because it's a truck not a Bentley lol guys who drive Chevys nowadays show up to the job site with a cup of coffee and sit in the office
The Ram is a better truck.
The Ram is an 8 speed not 6
Only the 6.4 hemi has the 8 speed
Definitely Ford, I still get a “throw away” feel from Rams (Dodges). They are better than they used to be but I don’t see where they last as long as a Ford, especially the body. I have seen how soon the Rams start rusting.
Our f150 rusted way faster than all our rams we have had. We are up near the Canada border. So winter is six months out of the year
@@bikingwithryan5968 not here in New York rams start showing rust in 3-4yrs. The aluminum Fords are holding up much better, I have not seen one showing any corrosion yet.
Ram's still have the most problems per 100 vehicles compared to GM and Ford, they still have a long way to go before i ever consider buying one
@@R3VELAT1ON our f150 had electrical problems and seal problems from the shocks. My friends new f150 lariat had the ecu go and differential. 🤷♂️just saying.
The trucks need some type of rust proofing. Woolwax, NHOU, Fluid Film, Surface Shield, WaxOil to name a few.
It's so sad, to be honest I feel sorry for any man that spends $80k for a Dodge truck AND he still doesn't have a truck..
I imagine a lot of satisfied Ram truck owners are laughing at you.
I don't know of any one satisfied with the ram.. if they don't make changes Ram will go out of business
@@michaeldennis9589 - You must not know many RAM owner then. I know a lot of FORD and Chevy owners who aren't happy either, but I know ones who are. I hear about the same level of satisfaction and dissatisfaction between all brands.
Yeah ok lol . How can u compare a dodge to a ford in these days ? Ford is horrible
Ehh I'll stick with my Ram. Pulls like a freight train, I6, and it doesn't have the typical $25K Ford dealer limited availability rape fee. Another new Ford egine refresh and new refreshed problems.
Pass on the Ford.
Dealer premiums are going away on most Fords, Rams, and Chevy's. The upper trims may still have them but the middle trims and work trucks don't. It does depend on where you live though.
@Nissan Guy here in Chicago land $25K was a low sticker markup on trucks. Gold Mill Ford had a Mustang market up over $50K because it was something special or whatnot. I paid below MSRP on my Ram even in this market. The Ford I ordered is still sitting on the lot in Kentucky over a year later. 😳 I'm glad Ford made my choice easier by not communicating about it either.
Such is life though
Dodge has been nothing but a nightmare for me. Never again!!!!!
Well, when Ford can match the Reliability of the Cummins, they will be a contender. Until then, Ford will lag behind the Ram Cummins.
You must've never heard of the 7.3 ? That Ford truck is a Legend, even Dodge owners will tell you that.
And Cummins used to be own by Ford
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr yes i have, but no way in hell in buying a 20 year old truck. As good as the 7.3 was, it was not as good as the 5.9 Cummins.
@@WBOS72 BULLCHIT... the problems with that 5.9 will drain your bank account
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr As will all of the HEUI issues on the 7.3. 5.9 is a far superior engine.
@@WBOS72 bro just stop it.
If what you was saying was true, how come Ford proven to be a better truck for 46 years straight... you don't believe that bullchit you saying yourself
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Fords are ugly
Ram not Ford
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