Fast but erratic - Juan Pablo Montoya’s F1 career
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ย. 2023
- Juan Pablo Montoya was arguably one of the fastest drivers in F1, and a driver that arguably had the speed to win a title. Although he would achieve success outside of F1, it feels like his 5 and a half year stint in the sport, was a missed opportunity. In this video, I talk about Montoya's time in F1.
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I think the better title for this video is "fast but unlucky" instead erratic because there is driver more erratics than him. Montoya is very underrated in Formula 1 and that it's a fact. He deserved to be champion as Gilles Villenueve, Carlos Reutemann, Ronnie Peterson, Bruce McLaren and others great drivers.
Growing up as a kid in that time, I absolutely loved Montoya to the point I used to call him “One Montoya”. He was the one who stood up to the Red Baron on the track which Brazil 2001 and Europe 2003 the 2 standout moments.
Looking back at it today Montoya back then is what Charles Leclerc is now. A driver of immense natural speed bagging so many poles and pulling off memorable moments and wins, but for a multitude of reasons a championship challenge never quite got over the line against a relentless force of nature dominating the sport. Maybe that’s why I find myself warming to everyone’s favorite Monegasque driver
When I think about honey badgers that came after JPM I think Danny Ric. Aggression, hunger, and a certain latin-inspired spicy attitude. Danny Ric even had similar stats to JPM before he left RB in 2018: two third place championship finishes, 30ish podiums, 7 wins.
2:28: Montoya's win at Indy was one of the most dominating performances in recent decades. He led 167 of the 200 laps and only lost the lead during pit stop cycles.
Michilin were forced to change the construction due to a protest by Ferrari, Montoya was also blocked by a Sauber for two laps, leaving him no chance to catch Schumacher
He always been my 4 wheels motorsport idol. Since his F3000 days.
JPM is an artist, a warrior and a natural raw talent when it comes to be fast on cool tyres, being able to control the car and find alternate lines in overtakes spot as no one else in modern era.
He brought spectacle on the tracks. He's also a true character who constantly plays out of schemes, saying what he thinks no matter what, something we always need.
Today I'm in peace with the fact he didn't win the WC title in F1.
I mean, Juan had his flaws and played the game his own way that clearly didn't fit 1000% with post 00s gen of cars and the whole environment of F1 at the time.
But those days, damn, his early departure from F1 was really heavy to me, since back then F1 was my fav sport to watch and him leaving was the thing that led to me to stop watching a series that already started to lose its charme and become chaotic (V8 engines, qualifying format changed multiple times in few years, race tyres rule changed and then rolled back and so on).
I remember the thing happened the day of WC final between Italy and France, but honestly I watched that football match with ton of sadness.
Through the years I kept following him in Nascar, 24 hours of Daytona appareances and I was happy he came back to open wheels in 2014, managing to score another historic win at Indy, even though everything became bittersweet again when he had that contact with Power in the season finale at Sonoma (something similar to what happened at Indy in 2003 with Rubens, by the way the race direction was too harsh).
JPM also had the lap record at monza for many years it was broken recently i think
****ing Räikkönen
I think that record was since broken as well
They slowed the cars soon after so many lap records were set in 2003/2004 for many years.
Honestly, Juan-Pablo Montoya's "Fast but Erratic" label matched 1-to-1 with the Williams-BMW's that he drove; Those BMW V10's were the most powerful engines in F1 at the time, but after Williams lost Adrian Newey, the chassis & aerodynamic development divisions lost their way and the cars were rather a handful to handle compared to the Ferraris of the same era; which while relatively down on power still had enough to get the job done but were much more well-sorted in terms of handling.
I think "Erratic" is an insult for him... For a driver this level and quality... 30 podiums, 7 wins in such a short F1 time... There are drivers today with 6 years and 1 or no wins in F1... He's an Indy Champion, F2 Champion, IMSA Champion, 3 time Daytona 24 winner, 2 time Indy 500 winner, 15 wins in IndyCar, victories in Nascar, IMSA, the WEC, that's not "erratic" to me...
My king without a crown...
Think the is your best video to date. Improving with each one. Keep it up. 👌
Great stuff mate!!!
First video of yours I have seen and it was fantastic! Subscribed. I don't disagree with any of your points at the end and 'What if" is a perfect analogy. I am a fan as I said and I would never place call him "the greatest driver never to win a championship" The benchmark for me is Carlos Reutemann whose resume far exceeds Montoya. 11 years. 13 wins. 44 podiums. One second place in the World Championship ( losing by 1 point to Nelson Piquet), three 3rd places and one 4th.
On your discussion of Montoya as a driver and his "mistakes", I read a book by Derek Daly, "Race to Win" ( 2008) and he spent an extended period talking about Montoya's time in F1. He quoted Gerhard Berger as saying " he ( Montoya) is one of most talented drivers I have ever seen". But Daly ( and others ) said he lacked "technical skills" ( as in providing feedback and assisting with car set up). He was writing this probably at the end or just after Montoya's time in F1 and I wonder if his comments may have had a hand in what you saw later as Montoya's later better performance in NASCAR and then back in Indy Car.
14:46: As a Montoya fan, Indianapolis and the drive through penalty was one of the worst gut wrenchers in my entire life as an F1 fan. During that four or five year period of Ferrari dominance, he was the one driver to really have a shot at dethroning Schumacher as an F1 champion in one year.
I thought this was about his alleged speeding in the Brickyard 400 at first
Good analysis
This behavior continued into Indycar and also IMSA DPI. He couldn't quite get it together for the title in 2015 despite his two wins, but got it together with Dane Cameron in 2019 for his IMSA DPI title win which was a nice title considering it was in America racing for Penske 20 years after winning in CART for Ganassi. Winning titles in America with two different racing titans. IMSA isn't open-wheel racing but it does count as something cool. JPM said he loved the Acura Penske car and that it reminded him of his williams F1 car in that he could push as hard as he wanted and it would just keep on taking whatever he gave it. He and Cameron had some real stupid contact and wrecks in 2020 though so in a way he's always been like this. Super aggressive sometimes unnecessarily so.
Despite the number of mistakes you mentioned he made in 2003, it's clear that the endless mechanical failures (hydraulics, engine, clutch) played a significant part in his hopes to do even better. He can't look erratic for his mistakes, it's rather Williams which had erratic reliability.
When JPM came into F1 I really wanted to be a fan of his, but I agree with your analysis that he just made far too many mistakes. It's clear he didn't have the mental strength to cope with the pressure, leading to throwing away wins on track and creating a toxic environment off it.
Having said that, some of my favourite F1 onboards are from him; particularly in the pre-traction control period in 2001. There are a few laps from free practice at San Marino/Imola 2001 on TH-cam where he was pushing to the limit and beyond. I'd highly recommend any motorsport fans to check them out. It wasn't the fastest way to get around, but it definitely was spectacular, and the 2001 V10 BMW soundtrack is always a plus.
Yeah, I was a big Montoya fan back in the day. His aggression and raw speed were some of the sport's best - but unfortunately he was too inconsistent.
Inconsistent only was in his first year F1. Most of his retirements were for lack of realibity of his cars, Williams and McLaren if you can find his stats.
4ever my Favourite!!!
Leaves McLaren and next season, they are a winning team again. He could’ve won in 07 or 08 if he stayed
JPM was going to be out of McLaren for 07 anyway.
@@patrickanderson9023would he?
@@pokeboi5438 Yes. JPMs relationship with Ron Dennis and Martin Whitmarsh had become rather bad after the "tennis accident", and it didn`t help that he got outperformed by Kimi. McLaren hadn`t hadn`t offered Montoya a new contract for 07 by the time he signed a deal with Chip Ganassi. And there were talks already during the winter of 06/07 that Hamilton would drive for McLaren (alongside Alonso) in 2007.
@@patrickanderson9023Well. Redbull made a offer for Montoya for 2007 but montoya refused because he wanted to leave F1 anyway to return USA with his family. Otherwise he could work again with Adrian Newey.
Not sue about that.
Que gran video¡¡¡¡ gracias por mostrar la trayectoria de uno de los mas grandes pilotos de la historia del automovilismo, JPM sin dudas le hizo falta un carro mas fiable para haber sido multiple campeon mundial porque el talento lo tenia de sobra.
Michelin was a major F1 tire supplier in the late 70's and early 80's, winning a couple of championships.
Idk why BMW didn't hired him to their come back to the 24 hours of Le Mans, he already won in an inferior category. Actually any WEC team should get him on. He is also really good in endurance racing.
JPM was the Charles Leclerc of the naughties. 😂
Bruno Junqueira, where did I heard that name before? 🙃😂
Or as he would be called during the 2001 German 500 broadcast, Juno Brunqueira
An unique driver
Yeah if you talk about his whole career you will have to talk about IndyCar, F1, and NASCAR.
He has a class win at Le Mans.
4:51 Michelin have actually been in f1 before 2001 in the late 70s to 1984
Fun fact every win Michelin took in f1 was during a tire war, a very impressive stat
Competition is something Michelin desires. Hence why they withdrew from F1 when they went to a single tyre supplier and have said they'll only return in a tyre war [which is very unlikely to return to F1].
Montoya and Alonso are and have been the best F1 drivers in the past two decades!
One Pablo Montoya?
Biggest wasted talent of the 21st century, no doubt about it.
WAN!
JPM's biggest mistake was joining Mclaren
Tbf, he"d have gone nowhere with Williams either. Their car was mediocre in 2005, and a disaster in 2006.
@@Razaak666 yes but staff (and most importantly BMW) would have stayed at the team and he would get the most out the car. it wouldnt have had the disasterous Cosworth for a start!
@@KingofWolves3277BMW wanted to rip off Williams anyway because the german manufacture felt that Williams was unable to develop a Championship-winning car and the only good Competitive car was the FW25 but it lacked better development to beat Ferrari and Raikkonen and reability also. That's why BMW broke up with Williams to buy Sauber at the end of 2005 before to leave the sport at the end of 2009.
@@KingofWolves3277 true. Also, Williams' pig-like handling back in the day kinda suits JPM's aggressive driving style. Man basically had to wrestle the car.
@@TwentyNinerR I could totally see Juan winning a championship riding a crocodile.
JPM a one lap wonder? Hardly. Inconsistent? The stats debunk that: Montoya stood on the podium in every third race he entered without ever having the best car. That's PRECISELY how you build a championship season. On speed, over a single lap in the same car as Schumacher? Montoya was better under pressure as we learned when Schumacher cracked at Jerez and Adelaide. And those weren't mistakes of a learning curve like Montoya getting distracted alla Senna crashing at Monaco or Hakkinen crashing in Germany and crying in the woods. No Schumacher cracking under pressure was some other strange thing where something really sinsiter came to the surface. And lest we forget the infamous parking job at Monaco agaisnt Alonso. Montoya's undoing was the opposite problem, it was not of some deep seated insecurity but more far too much overconfidence and never quite enough diligence outside of car. He leaned entirely on his natural talent and didnt work Senna and Prost levels of preparation outside the car. He just was maybe too cavalier about his feedback for such a nerd dominated sport. But man was there raw unrestrained talent. He stole like a thief in the night SIX CONSECUTIVE pole positions against the greatest F1 car ever (The Ferrari) piloted by a seven times F1 champion driver. No driver in the Second best car has ever equalled that feat against the best car since. The pole position at Monaco was maybe one of the surreal as there was not enough space between Montoya's rear wheel and the armco barrier to pass a sheet of paper. I will say that's hands down the greatest lap he ever put down. Then you had the overtakings on Schumacher which took a level of confidence no one has shown against a reigning world champion since either. And that's what we lost with Montoya an absolute Alpha unafraid of anyone's hype train. Montoya was not the least big awe struck by Schumacher the way so many were awe struck by Senna and Stewart. The press conference after the French Grand Prix where Schumacher pulled his trademark move of running drivers off the road Montoya did not hesitate to tell Schumacher to his face sitting mere inches from this Ferrari Hero that he was "either blind or stupid if he claimed not to see him". And even cracked a memorable joke that had the reporters all laughing commenting on the video where Schumacher is looking right at JPM as hes runnig him off "no he didn't see me there either". This enraged Schumacher and Ross Brawn...which everyone loved. Montoya was the only driver we've seen that was just pure fire in and out of the car. Unfortunately he left Williams for the worst man in the sport Ron Dennis a real vindictive and petty man who lost Senna to Williams and later lost Hamilton to Mercedes. Montoya was ill suited as a pure oversteer driver in a hopelessly and inherently understeer car. Kimi a born understeer driver took perfectly to the McLaren. The whole move was a disaster he should have bullied his was into RedBull and finished out his career there. But the big missed opportunity was that Montoya was not put in a Williams in 1996 and 1997. He was already testing the last slick tyred Williams Renault F1 car and he was not lacking for pace. He didn't re-enter F1 until he was nearly 25 which was ridiculous long for such a phenom who was the only driver overtaking cars in the F2 race at Monaco and taking to the grass at Monza to complete overtakings with a WOT. If you look at the other rising stars of the time you see F1 bosses were far too conservative in driver selection. Kimi entered without ever having raced a full season in F2. Jenson entered without even a full season in cars. Or maybe I got that backwards. I can't remember 25 years ago. Either way the JPM in a Williams Renault and he's winning a title. Montoya absolutely steam rolled every driver in his first Indy car season in what was the golden era of slick tired manual shifting lighting fast hand eye coordination era of open wheel racing. While enjoyable to see Monty cakewalk the Indy 500 it was in retrospect a collosal waste of his talent that could have been spent being the #2 driver in the Williams Renault. And his talent was squandered going to NASCAR in Ganassi's midling car that never had the funding of Hendrick or Penske. When you put Montoya in the best car he got it done.
he remind me of Gilles Villeneuve
Montoya was cheated out of his 2003 title by Ferrari and FIA. He was going to take it easily before the Michelin tyre ban. Ferrari were lagging behind in times and complained the Michelin tyres expanded when in motion, which was still allowed in the rules. Bridgestones also did the same but not quite as much. In anticipation of Michelin being banned and their dealings with the FIA. Ferrari and Bridgestone made another tyre to make sure they were ahead with the new proposed tyre rulings they wanted. So with only 3 races left and Montoya 1 point behind Schumacher, FIA made new rules that the tyre cannot expand when in motion. Keeping Michael and Ferrari at the the top. It shows pure corruption from F1 and Ferrari to make new rules to enable them to win. Even when there was nothing illegal about the Michelin tyres in the rulebook. Absolutely disgraceful
still a shame that he never tried to win le mans tbh
JPM is the goat!
Goat of what? Lol
He was good but had one problem, .........
he liked jet dryers too much.
You tend to be more erratic when you have a car with very poor engine reliability and if you look closely at the videos with the onboard camera in the Williams you could realize that the driver had to fight a lot with the rudder every time he entered a curve to not lose control of the car unlike a Ferrari or a McLaren where it could be seen that they were much more stable cars and it was much easier for the driver to tune the car and thus run less risk of losing control entering the more complicated curves, in my opinion making a Williams able to fight races against a crushing Ferrari was already too much merit, Montoya wasted a great opportunity to fight to win more races in 2005 due to his injury and not allowing himself to adapt more quickly to his new car, as a result of his injury and the bad comments from the British press, his relationship with Ron Dennis broke up and before he signed with Nascar there were already rumors that Hamilton was going to be signed for 2007, Montoya seeing that he was not going to to have a seat with a competitive team for 2007, he preferred to leave f1
Verstappen is the white Montoya, so this erratic argument is baseless.