MORE THAN JUST A QUALI MERCHANT? Jarno Trulli: A Retrospective
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- Quick in qualifying, not so hot in the race. That's what everyone describes Trulli as but is it as clear cut than that?
The guy was matching Alonso up until the 2004 French Grand Prix when he mysteriously fell off, and his ability to keep much faster traffic behind in his 'Trulli Trains' enabled him to score quite well.
So what were his stats like? And was he just a hotlapper? Let's have a look.
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All aboard the trulli train
CHOO!! CHOO!!
toot toot
og drs
🚂🚂🚂
*Train spins*
I think Jarno Trulli was better than the "Trulli Train" meme would suggest. If his engine hadn't failed, he could have won in Austria 1997 and twice in his career, he joined teams just as they were slumping. After subbing for Panis in 1997, the Prost team he partnered Panis in full time from 1998-99 became uncompetitive when they ditched Mugen-Honda engines for Peugeot. Similar things happened with Jordan. With the team having launched an unlikely title bid in 1999 with Heinz Harold Frentzen, securing 3rd in the Constructors Championship, it proved a false dawn when Trulli was hired to replace the retiring Damon Hill. The 2000 Jordan was overweight and measures to reduce it adversely affected reliability. 6th in the Constructors Championship was the result and although 5th in the Constructors Championship in 2001 looks like an improvement on paper, they only scored 3 points more in 2001 and didn't score a podium
I think a lot of Jarno's problems were the tires of the time and his precise driving style when they grained he couldn't get through fast enough, unlike Alonso and Kimi
Trulli would have been unreal in the current regulations then, with his precise style
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Trouble is defensively he would struggle due to DRS
There is one aspect that I think you miss to mention. I'll take 2001 as an example. Trulli managed to slam that Jordan onto grid positions it did not belong. If you qualify 4th and mix it with Ferrari, McLaren and Williams, of course you would not be able to keep up during the race distance if the car is not right. He has also had terrible cars in his career when it comes to reliability should be said. Not a Trulli fan, and there is some truth to the term Trulli train. He was a better qualifyer than racer, but he also gets to much flack for it
Keep in mind karting is pretty much a massive train most of the race and it’s only through battles or mistakes where overtakes happen because everyone is on rails.
Might explain Trulli winning it while others didn’t.
A couple of points that might be interesting:
1) while Trulli did beat Ralf comfortably in qualifying over their three years together, he actually only won the qualifying head-to-head in two of those years, Ralf won 11-7 in 2006 so the overall figure obscures just how far ahead he was in 2005 and 2007. 2006 was the first year of the current three-stage elimination format so maybe the change messed Trulli up a bit.
2) At the point where Briatore ditched Trulli in 2004, Trulli was actually ahead of Alonso in the championship which would put Jarno on the (incredibly short) list of teammates who've outscored Fernando Alonso.
Finally, to answer your questions about gaining or losing positions, the only data I have is his average qualifying classification versus his average finishing position. By that measure he's not too bad overall but during his five years at Toyota he lost positions on average in four of them (2006, his worst qualifying performance of his career barring his final season, being the exception). That would suggest that during his time at Toyota there was some truth to the Trulli train and the idea of him being a quali specialist, but not over his career as a whole (for comparison Ralf and Timo Glock both had higher average finishing positions than qualifying positions over all of those five years so it was just a Trulli tendency, not Toyota overall).
He was a qualifying demon. The trains were a result of putting a car where it didn't belong
Trulli was always a favourite of mine, I even had a fish called trulli that had the red and white colours of his Toyota!
The what if of Trulli in the 05 Renault really does get me thinking. Not to say he would have beaten Alonso, but I think he would have been in the mix more than Fisci and it could have been quite fiery! Atleast his 05 season with Toyota was still pretty good.
I feel that Hulkenberg at Haas is ending up being the current Trulli, qualifying it well above the car’s level and then inevitably getting sucked backwards through the order on race day…
Great video, always had a soft spot for Trulli
Could it be, that those drivers are in our focus of discussion right now simply because they are recent enough to be in vivid memory while some of those who started in the 2000s are still racing (Hamilton, Alonso).
Verstappen also won the karting world championships, albeit in the KZ class, in 2013. Norris won the KF class in 2014. Unless I'm mistaken, the KZ karts have a gearbox, whereas KF does not. KZ karts have a bit more hp and a higher top speed. Comparing KF to KZ might be more like comparing F1 to Indycar rather than comparing F1 to F2.
He's a bit like Teo Fabi in a way (rapid over a single lap - but never could seal the deal. Fabi has the rather dubious record of having the most pole positions [3] without leading a single lap.)
i'd Never slam Dc as i was a dc fan
Didnt you forget giorgio pantano?
I thought max won everything in karting too?
Man has the most insane quali record you’ll ever see, he was only ever out-qualified by a teammate twice in 15 seasons
Wow 😮
2 races or over 2 seasons?
@@harmkuijpers6642
2 seasons
Wow!
@@harmkuijpers6642 did you watch the video?
Magnussen tried to turn into prime Trulli yesterday, but he was in a Haas.
Yes. I must admit that maybe the hobgoblin had a point to install sprinklers at all tracks and have them randomly turn on
@@fuller9x truly the greatest show possible
I think Robert Kubica might be a good pick for a retrospective
From being tipped as a future champion to a near-fatal crash severing part of his arm to recovery, winning the WRC2 title and making it back to F1
Not to mention the stuff he did in WEC, ELMS and DTM
Der Ur-Talent
Choo choo!
Reply to board the Trulli Train!
I want to be the conductor
I’m not sure it’s fair to call him a “hot lap merchant” but his defensive driving abilities cannot be denied 😂
This is *Trulli* a video I thought Aidan wouldn’t make, but hey I’m all for it ;)
Jarno it's a good pun when Jarno everyone gets it 😂
For an interesting topic would be Jacques Villeneuve 1999-2006
I’d actually start with 1998, where Williams without Newey and Renault works support went off the boil massively but he was still driving pretty well and could have driven for McLaren in 99.
@@lordhenrywotton95 I genuinely think Jacques was the second best driver in F1 from 97 to ~01, if not the best
You would need to include formula Atlantic and cart
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 obviously there’s a bit of variation from year to year, but I’d only put Schumacher and Hakkinen ahead of him. JV was probably driving better than Coulthard, Barrichello & Irvine too and we know he outperformed Frentzen in at least the first two years.
@@lordhenrywotton95 you know, I wouldn't even put Häkkinen above Jacques. Yes his 98 was spectacular and his 00 season was as good as it could've gone, but he had a miserable 97, almost lost the title to Irvine in 99 with so so many mistakes and 01 was his "year too many"
In his prime, I don't think many realise just how good Trulli was. The trains formed because he'd put a relatively lesser car where it wouldn't be expected on the grid, then held them off skillfully.
You need to do one on Liuzzi - everyone that raced against him in junior formula thought he was the next Senna
This one is so true, Kubica even chose him as his replacement at Renault in 2011
FOR REAL. Dude does not get any of the respect he probably should.
Trulli seems to be one of those drives that can do wonders in the back or mid field teams but get to the front he just can't get it together
like Fisichella
I wonder if it’s anything to do with the cars being quicker than what they are used to. So they drive like it’s a midfield car but they can actually take it faster.
Or maybe they are good in cars with lower downforce or slower engines but don’t do well in cars with more downforce or more power
Or maybe its because Flavio Briatore was their team principal and the favoured son was another driver.
Fisichella for instance won the Malaysian GP in 2006 and then mysteriously was off the pace the next race. So off the pace that he was reprimanded by Alan Permane
@@reptongeek I remember that radio message of "this cannot be possible" Permane sent to Fisichella when he was lapping 2.5 seconds off Alonso's pace.
And Perez
Jarno Trulli was a remarkable driver. Despite his only win, on his day, you could not fault him. 2004 Monaco was his defining moment, I have doubt, he may been even greater if went to McLaren instead of Montoya. (Not that was an option, just a hypothetical)
2:57 my favorite World Karting Championship fact is that Lake Speed the nascar driver beat Ayrton Senna in the 1978 championship
Senna washed.
@@AidanMillward I know this is a joke but more like, Lake Speed good. Guy was a monster
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 Always wanted to drive his own stuff in NASCAR so it kinda held him back. Also I like to imagine an alternate dimension where Lake goes to europe and becomes the next american F1 champion
If there was a NASCAR equivalent to Aiden, they'd have an entire series of videos about drivers with interesting names and Lake would be number 2 on the list. Number one of course would be Dick Trickle.
@@KR1736 yeah, I think he would've been much better in open wheel racing
With Renault I believe that they found Alonso to have a better map on the car and offered more power. Not sure how true that is but does explain some strange drops in lap times.
Also think he had a little issue with pressure.
I think the likeliest scenario is that Trulli felt most comfortable with quali set-ups that worked best on low fuel, hence why he was so good on Saturdays & probably why he seemed to struggle a big more on Sundays.
But still, you can't deny that raw pace.
and grooved tyres too
Nope. He spoke about in on BTG Podcast. He said that the Jordan EJ10 and EJ11 had excellent quali pace, but the car would tear the rear tyres to bits within three laps which he didn't have the chance convert any of his heroics into a tangible end product
Playing the F1 97 game, in a Minardi......crashing and Murray shouting....Its Trulli!
Nostalgia 😊
In his final season at Lotus/Caterham I remember him moaning at every race about the power steering not giving him the feedback that he required.
I remember all the bluster with Ralf carrying the second Schumacher name onto the grid and while he did beat all his team mates up until 2002, his second season partnered with Montoya, I always felt by the point he moved to Toyota he was a disappointment.
I guess properly analysing it, Montoya was a monster which would make most drivers look average.
Going up against Trulli who was a very solid driver didnt do much to enhance my opinion of him either.
I guess as well that expectation of him to be competing with the Michael was always going to be unrealistic. As you said, Trulli and by extension Ralf did compete at a time with some very strong midfielders and legends in their own right.
Ralf still had an F1 career that many would envy, he had an awesome back and forth with Montoya
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Absolutely, Looking back 20 years later the statistics speak for themselves. I just remember the feeling at the time it was disappointing but in context of everything with hindsight and stripping away expectation it was a very good career
In his Beyond the Grid interview Montoya said he broke Ralf psychologically
What was sad was the 2010 Toyota car before they pulled out had more pace on paper than the 2010 Ferrari. So he definitely could’ve won races that year if Toyota stayed
Given this was Toyota we’re talking about , they’d have probably been slower than the Ferrari and underachieved again
A video about Webber like this would be cool :)
Agreed.
Webber often dragged that Jag onto Grid Positions where it had no right to be.
Usually to fall back during the race as it ate it tyres.
It was a shame that by the time he got into a really competeitive car he was possibly past his absolute best.
Still he did alright. 👍
A fair few GP wins and a world endurance championship arent bad stats to have.
H.Hero Frenzen Ficichella Trulli good memorys of the '90
10:10
I can't remember anymore that they changed the Tabaco sponsor for the drivers names at Renault.😅😅😅
23 years ago I visited a very nice go kart circuit near Coffs Harbour in Northern NSW. It had previously hosted the World Championships.
Bronze plaque on the wall with the name of the lap record holder- Jarno Trulli.
The Moreno video is a great candidate to add to the retrospective playlist.
I'm not doing the Moreno memelord stuff, this is a serious suggestion.
It changed my views on him, as I bet it did on quite a few other subscribers too.
Trulli was another Fisicella, Alesi or Panis, someone of that ilk.
I'd argue he was better than those guys with the exception of Fisico.
A lower midfield mostly, mostly.
A 90s Ocon, Gasly, Danny Ric etc...
Not Maldonado or Grosjean or Magnussen levels of uselessness.
Well, there are 2 inaccuracies in this video.
1. In Monaco 2004 there were no Trulli train. Trulli was the fastest also on Sunday, easily widening the gap on Button and managing it to Alonso. Only Schumi was the fastest between the pit-stops. After Alonso and Schumi crashed, Trulli just activated cruise-control.
2. In France 2004 Button would have finished 3rd if he didn't stall on the last pit-stop. So 1-3 or 2-3 was never sure for Renault at any moment of the Grand Prix.
Yeah, Senna was beaten in the World Karting Championship by a good ole boy from Mississippi named Lake Speed. Lake went from there to a NASCAR career where he won (you guessed it) one race. His progeny would be heard from again as his son Scott Speed briefly darkened the doors of F1. Something about a young Gunther Steiner and Red Bull?
Trulli didn't do so well at Jordan because when they signed him they went for a revolutionary car instead of an evolutionary one. The car he drove in 2000 was quick but unreliable.
Here's a controversial opinion: Death Magnetic is a better album than ...And Justice For All.
He's one of the best starters in F1.
His ability was on full display at Spain 2004 and Belgium 2008.
Out of topic, but the 2001 Jordan is 🔥 (both livery and car design)
Finally you remembered one, hahah! Rubens needs one of these imo, what could have been..
The 2000 season was the first I followed, so all the drivers who took part in that season are over-glorified by me.
Don't you mean Toyota quit "after the mess left by the last Labour Government"?
Remember that time in Brazil where HE made the mistake but then blamed Adrian for the crash? XD
Oh gawd that became so cringeworthy at the next race during the driver's q&a with the press! 😵💫
" I have photos"
@@ANTONSV5 it's even worse when you think that those were printed out screens in black and white.
@HangoverTelevision Yeah, i didn't know that incident happened until I got the 2009 review on DVD. Truly was professional hating after that incident.
@@ANTONSV5 although this is sadly a typical behaviour of long-time drivers who were rated highly but never could fulfill the promise. Once they are on the end of their career, they start blaming others for their own alleged "misfortune".
Could never take to Trulli. Terrible racecraft.
Can you do a vid ob Riccardo Patrese? Ive been hearing name pop up at the time with Senna, Mansell and Prost
Guess Trulli's race pace was not good for the simple reason of him qualifying way better than his car could/should and therefore spending entire races defending his position from faster cars.
1998-2007 was by far the best F1 era. I loved it so much. Jarno always was a fast driver. He had an impressive career.
Hi Aiden... Another great video. I've always thought a video where Sandro Nannini doesn't have the helicopter accident and the impact on the Michael could be a good one
Always liked Jarno
Side note: besides being rapid in qualifying,, Trulli probably had the best hair of all the drivers on the grid. lol
I think another problem he had was he was always compared to Senna because "he looked a bit like him".
He also did himself no favours with the whole Sutil incident at Brazil in 2009. When they did the press conference in Abu Dhabi he became a laughing stock, even among the other drivers with his "I have photos" moment.
“All aboard!”
AM I the only one that heard it in Ozzy Osbournes Voice ;D
Ah yes the Trulli train. Would've been even worse with drs.
2004 Trulli is a fashion icon at the very least
How about a video on Alessandro Naninni?
A part of me thinks his development as a driver was stunted by some of the things that happened in his career
Prost GP was a trainwreck and the tricolor on his passport had green instead of blue, Jordan were all-in on Frentzen until like the middle of 2002, at Benetton Briatore had all his eggs in Fernando's basket and really didn't like Trulli, Toyota was a mess and we don't even need to talk about Lotus
Had he spent his career not bouncing around teams that were bad and/or didn't like him, I think the story of Jarno Trulli would be very different
So basically what you're saying is Leclerc has modelled himself on Trulli? 😅
No, because Trulli could keep it on the road.
Leclerc modelled himself on Jean Alesi, luck included
6:45 - So it wasn't just vibes - Max and Fernando really are kindred spirits, lmao.
I suppose he may be one of the first of the "groomed golden boys" that I sorta attributed to Vettel (in terms of successful multi-WDCs brought up by the manager to lead the teams, and succeeding), then flowing to Max now.
I watched something on TH-cam with my Dad recently about one of the blokes who won the World Karting Championship. His name escapes me, but he beat Senna to win it, then buggered off to NASCAR where he won only a single Cup race in his whole career. I think the takeaway here is that the World Karting Championship means nothing.
Lake Speed
@@PaperBanjo64 Thank you!
damn, the bots are relentless
Trulli always felt like someone who could have great races and brilliant qualifying laps but could never stay plugged in for a full season. Even in 2004 or 2009, it felt like he only woke up for the races he felt he’d be competitive in.
Twice suffered the humiliation of going (almost) first to last. In F1 in Belgium in '04, started on pole, last on the lead lap in 9th. And in the inaugural season of Formula E, pole in Germany, finished dead last on the road, bumped up a place when Lucas Di Grassi was DSQ'd and stripped of the win.
As Jarno was one of my OG drivers, seeing young Enzo in F3 put some grey hairs on me.
For the Karting champs, you should have considered the Junior champ, since those are the ones that move through the ranks. You would have seen Prost, de Cesaris, Stefano Modena, Bernd Schneider, Jan Magnussen, Pantano, Alonso, Albon, and Leclerc all on the top of the podium. Look at the full podium for the Juniors championship and you'll also get Yvan Muller, Schumacher, McNish, Trulli, Liuzzi, Gasly, Max, and Mick Schumacher
My memories of Trulli are that he was kind of alright I guess... he wasn't bad but he wasn't great either. He was a Tsunoda type of driver I suppose. Anyway, why did Red Bull renew Checo's contract... he's lost it.
Yeah, as a huge Kubica fan in 2007, I think Trulli was just a thug driver, and the reason for so much emphasis in enforcing blocking and other dirty driving tactics of the like by the FIA after the 2007 Canadian Grand Prix.
Trulli was incredibly unlucky from 2000-2002. The only time he got lucky in these years was when his disqualification of the 2001 US Grand Prix was overturned. The Bridgestones were never really good over a single lap at Monaco, so it wasn't much of a surprise Michael Schumacher wasn't on pole in 2004. When Alonso, who was running in second place, crashed while lapping an erratically driving Ralf Schumacher, Michael took the lead by not pitting. He then had this weird crash behind the safety car with Montoya, who was a lap down. Without that crash, he might have won that race, but we will never know for sure of course. After France later that year, nothing went well for Trulli. The best example was the Belgian Grand Prix, where he started on pole, only to slip back to 9th in the race. He showed his class in the final races of 2004 by qualifying that Toyota inside the top 10 on both occasions. Then in 2005, the car was much better and he qualified on the front row twice in the first two races. He miraculously got outscored by Ralf that year, as well as in 2006. Toyota were on an upward trajectory in their final years. Trulli probably should have won the 2009 Belgian Grand Prix, which might have kept Toyota in F1 and spared him of two years in a very slow Lotus/Caterham.
I honestly believe he'd do a lot better than Fisichella had he remained at Renault for 2005 and 2006.
Pity the Toyota debacle didn't pan out. A better managed team and Trulli might have won the odd race for Toyota.
Hate to go down this path but I also often use Trulli as an example of a good qualifier (4 poles and 15 first row starts - with Renault and Toyota cars) when making an argument how *bad* of a qualifier Perez is (3 poles, 12 first row starts - all in a dominant Red Bull).
Hi Aidan. I think you’ve had an issue your pics. There’s been a couple that have the wrong ‘tag/description’ noted at the bottom. 1st pic of the video shows the no.27 Ferrari but says it’s DC driving and 12:06 in the vid shows the Trulli Toyota buts lists Venturi Larrouse Lamborghini from 1992 are a couple of examples.
Otherwise I enjoyed the vid and and do appreciate the effort put into these ‘look back’ videos.
that was just the 100CC champions, theres many more aswell, and when you see the drivers that were almost f1 drivers like 3rd or test drivers.... it becomes alot. you win the world karting championship.... you're onto success
The reality is a car, driver, and tire combination only have so much to give over a race distance, and a lesser car will only go so fast, I don't care who you out behind the wheel, or what rubber they're on.
On the other hand, a quick driver, who is willing to "use up" their car in qualifying can get that same car to punch above its weight. I think that's what we saw with Trully, and I hold up his time with Renault as proof.
When he actually had a competent car under him, even one made for another driver, he turned in better race results, and wasn't as dependent on his qualifying speed to do so. I don't know one way or the other if we ever really got to see how fast Jarno Trully was, but I think we did get to see a masterclass in extracting the best finishing position out of a... less than ideal car, shall we say.
I wonder if Jarno might not have gotten more from a McLaren Honda drive than his former teammate did.🤔
He was extremely fast in a race with the Renault, he was just the unluckiest driver in the history of F1 (legit). He got crashed out, had tons of issues, his tyres died every time, it was impossible for him to finish a race normally
Granted, he would've never turned the world into storm, but he wouldn't have been so miserable in the standings in 2002-04. On Toyota on the other hand, he qualified amazingly but disappeared on the races. Can't talk about the other years tho since I haven't watched those races lately
It's funny with all the stories about Ralf but his interview with DC and Eddie Jordan he seemed like a decent bloke. Maybe he had his brothers competitiveness and was fine once the mist disappeared.
How about a video on Stefan Johansson. Won in lots of other series (including at LeMans) but never a F1 GP winner.
Thanks! Trulli is my all time favorite driver!
Likewise! I just started rooting for him ever since the 1999 European GP, and would frequently get gutted when he fell from front-row starts down the order or into retirement. But I wasn't watching F1 in 2004, so I missed his win!
i remember his win in Monaco it was possibly the most unexpected win i witnessed
Panis 96
If Trulli was ever going to win anywhere, it was going to be Monaco. The fact it happened in 2004 is the surprise
Flav the bad royally screwed Trulli over after the French grand prix.
Briatore was a prick with Trulli anyway (and with the QPR fans)
awesome video, great qualifyer, but average in the race in my view, could have been amultiple champion had he been great at both
Have I beaten the bots?
the reason there was a trulli train was because he was qualifying a slower car further up the field than he should have. in a race, the faster cars he outqualified would naturally be quicker and caught up behind him.
My dog... Were 11 days in snick thinking about trulli
I'm starting to think that Sainz's career might start to reselmble that of Trulli's
I really hope an F1 race winner sees that "unless a race winner is watching" remark and comments on this video
Riccardo Patrese would be a good retrospective, raced in such interesting eras
Some drivers are super fast over a lap. Others are better racers. Only one of those types scores points. Trulli is the other.
2:50 wasn’t Logan Sargeant a world karting champion?
His name always makes me think of those delicious hard seltzers
He would benefit from proper slicks
Monaco 2004 pole. One of the best single laps.
Cant wait for story about Alex Zanardi.
Aidan "If that makes sense" Millward
Trulli but in stronger race performances later on in his career. In 2004 he was sacked by Renault because he didn't score a single point after the French GP. He was sacked about 2 or 3 races from the end. 😊
Smile face was a mistake
Trulli the original DRS train driver
Jarno is the brother of Lando One-Win. ;)
A few weeks ago I made a prediction Aiden would cover Trulli one day given he's already covered Frentzen, Fisi, Coulthard etc. Guys who had their peak in the late 90s when he seemingly started watching.
Based on that, I'm predicting videos on Jos Verstappen, Jan Magnessen and Olivier Panis in the future. Great job again man.
I'd say he's a hotlap merchant but to the extreme, the other side of this for me is a John Watson, always dangerous regardless if he was on pole (twice) or 22nd (if I'm not mistaken the furthest back anyone has ever won from and he did it)
Watson not signing the McLaren contract that was offered to him and losing his seat (and place in F1) because Prost became available is WILD to me
@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 oh his decision making wasn't great but race craft? A winner more comfortable in traffic is VERY rare
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 A transcendently brilliant driver who made appalling career decisions... sounds familiar. Coughalonsocough.
@@jordza2k11 I'm 50% sure he would've won in 1984 and 100% sure he would've won in 1985
He looked worthy of Lauda in 1983