Double Action, Single Action or Striker Fired, which is best?
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- We get lots of questions about which trigger action is the best. ln this video I share my perspective. I have no doubt this will generate a fair amount of disagreement.
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Couldn't have explained it any better! You know it is the right video when the first thing you see is "Rules of firearms safety". Thank you!
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Great explicit explanation of three types of pistol action.
Thank you.
Had a striker fired G19, which I love still, but I found that appendix carry was the most comfortable for me. Now I use a CZ P-07 for the added safety of a DA/SA trigger. For me it isn't about fingers and safety there, as having been in the military I don't have my finger where it doesn't belong. It's more just the elimination of the Mr Murphy/shit happens factor as much as possible.
Many people like the DA/SA trigger for the reason you mentioned. For me I prefer the striker fired gun. Shooting 13,000-20,000 rounds for 15 years has made me confident in where my trigger finger is. On Target, On Trigger... Off Target, Off Trigger (OTOT). Thanks for commenting.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Seriously? And you never make mistakes or slip or have something catch that trigger? Yeah, no. Wrong. Have as much trigger discipline as you want, things sometimes don't go as planned. What if you are wrestling with some taker and they happen to grab the chambered striker fire gun in your waist, you know the one void of any safety. They might not give a rats ass about trigger this or that while they roll with you for whatever reason.
Its kinda disingenuous to just offload the striker fire accidental discharge subject on the user as some dumb one who shouldn't even be around a firearm. Kinda arrogant and pompous stance too. There are a whole slew of unknowns that could cause you to shoot off your nuts and after that you wont feel so sure of yourself, your training and other gun safety dogma and absolutes we sometimes put too much stock into. Confidence is good. Overconfidence is another matter. I don't want to be bleeding on the ground wishing I hadn't taken some hard line stance in the mistaken belief that my training and foolish belief of personal infallibility cancelled out the possibility of a fatal accident. Regretting that I ignored the fact that the other moving parts of the world have minds of their own. The irony would not be lost on me, starred up at the sky, knowing that my overconfidence and failure to take a simple precaution was, if anything, an extremely poor choice, and a failure to practice basic gun safety practice that might cost me my life.
Best just not shove a chambered striker fire into my pants in the first place and their is nothing dumb about that move for anyone to take, training and all other big talk be damned. Also, one more thing, in America, for the time being anyway, the right to bear arms is not dependent of trigger discipline, or skill level, or literacy, or even being intelligent. Its not always a perfect mix but i think we can agree it beats any alternative. Sorry about the tone, bad grammar and the TLDR. Happy Mother's Day.
@@L7pusher Well said. People who take the stance of "I'm too experienced to make a mistake", would do well to take a course in Human Factors. The aviation world has long embraced the truth that experience isn't a good safeguard against human-error accidents, but it seems the gun world is too macho for that kind of sober-thinking. Any military or shooting experience should be telling them the opposite -- not that their experience makes them accident proof -- but their experience should be telling them that accidents happen in the most dumb way possible, so there needs to be mitigations OTHER than just "experience".
Another thing we have in aviation is risk-assessments -- which is a method that is used to weight the severity and likelihood of the risks and add practical ways to mitigate them. It seems in most cases, unless you're in some high-risk Middle East warzone, that the risk of shooting yourself in the balls is FAR more likely than getting mugged and needing that extra half-second to discharge a round from a cocked striker-fired pistol vs a double action trigger pull.
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I understood everything except for the TLDR.
Thanks so much for clearing that up and erasing my ignorance!
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This was a great presentation. As an avid gunguy, i never really took the time to learn this. I always agreed in compliance when talking about these.
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Thanks for a good informative video.
Thank you, always good didactic videos, you are in top 3 guns expert . Very recommendable videos. Stay safe keep working.
Wow, I've never seen anyone use the word didactic, online (or in real-life for that matter). I feel like you should get an award for such an obscure yet relevant word.
Great video explaining the differences among all three kinds of action
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Thanks for the clear and straight to the point video. Other videos i watched were longer and even more hard to understand
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Great explanation for a beginner like me,. Thanks a bunch
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Good explanation. I know what to buy now, thanks!
I’m happy you found the explanation useful. Ultimately it’s an individual choice each option is worth considering.
Thanks. This really helped me understand the difference.
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This is great, I appreciate your focus on training and proficiency.
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Thx. Studying up to transition from revolvers. I’ll get there safely & responsibly with good information & training. Liked & subscribed
Thanks. The big thing with the transition from a long Double Action trigger pull to a striker fired gun is don't prep the trigger until you're on target. And practice, practice, practice.
Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC ,Exactly.i picked up a Sig p365XL & handed the other versions too. Haven’t shot any of them yet but the xl had a really good feel in my hands. Also interested in all the beretta surplus 81s that have been on here since around October. Haven’t held or shot one of those yet. Think I’d like one from what I’ve seen.both are good guns,similar size & modern 32 ammunition isn’t bad.still weighing pros & cons but those 2 guns are at the top of my list. Heard a story from a vet that almost shot one of his own guys that was running towards him in the dark from the wrong direction.when beretta was still being used by military. He credited that long double action trigger pull for his friend still being alive.not trying to overthink things but being comfortable with a revolver & used to double action I think it’s definitely a good option.think the something the size & capacity of xl is where I want to be. Know of any others I could check out?thanks
Good video. Best explanation I have had.
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Thank you. Im pretty new n unfamiliar even though Ive carried a firearm without much practice and am now going to purchase.. the striker is what im going to start over from scratch with.
Thank you for watching and commenting. There are several good striker fire pistols out there. I prefer S&W M&P 2.0 9mm, or a Glock 19.
The most important thing that you do after selecting the pistol that best fits your hand is to get training. Taking a few classes and practicing will give you the confidence and ultimately the proficiency to be able to, be safe, accurate and able to perform under stress.
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Yup great presentation!
Thank you
Double action/single action hands down. Mastering double action will make you a much shooter overall.
Agree that DA triggers make you a better shooter. And yet many people don't practice the DA/SA transition. That in my mind is the key. Personally I like the simple and consistent trigger of striker fired guns.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Agreed Striker fired. How does operating a DA/SA make you a better shooter?
@@SpartanGR77 Because if you find yourself in situation where the only gun available is not a striker fired and all you know is striker fired. You are basically useless.
I agree with you totally and not only does it make you a better shooter, but contrary to the popular to popular belief, there is no learning curve when it comes to the trigger pull. You'll figure it out, plus, in a self defense situation; it happens so fast, you won't even pay attention. It comes down to how often you trained, where the trigger pull has become habit.
I also feel that many people, especially law enforcement and security officers, should at least start out carrying DA/SA handguns. Though we would all like to believe that law enforcement and security officers are well trained, it would be more accurate to say that they are more trained (than no training at all), however, it's the added training that counts. Unlike television, police officers can not just go to the departments shooting range and shoot for free whenever they want; meaning many do not take the time nor money to train on their own. Most Security guards don't get additional training and the only time most of them shoot their weapons, is when the get their "G" license. Whatever the case, it might better for those people to have that first heavy trigger pull, to avoid accidentally shooting someone or something that they did not mean to shoot, in a stressful situation, due to a lighter trigger pull of a striker fired or single action gun, in a tense or stressful situation.
I think a lot of times police shootings start out as accidents and escalate into bad press. Also, how many times have we watched the news, when police shot unarmed suspect, or fired numerous shot and never hit the suspect. Does that sound like well trained to you.
So yeah, I think DA/SA is best.
@@benushaft8069 You make some really good points, and I'd like to build on them and offer my point of view. Although I can't speak for the police/sheriff departments, I grew up shooting firearms and I have experience working in a state DOC. The training for that job included firearms basics and certification. In my particular state, I can confidently say that the little training we received regarding firearms was highly inadequate to be sending these young men and women out into the world with muskets, let alone Glocks. Granted, COs in my state are only issued firearms on outside details, which are somewhat uncommon (not including Detail Officers. They may have more extensive training, I don't know)
All that being said, I do not think a DA/SA weapon system is the right choice here. You mentioned that in a self-defense shooting you won't be paying attention. I'd argue that anybody who carries a weapon, and especially police and other armed security personnel, should ideally be trained enough to keep a level head and remain attentive and aware in stressful situations. We don't live in an ideal world, however, and that kind of training is expensive and time-consuming.
Given that we received minimal training, and the men and women tasked with protecting the public almost certainly will not be able to think clearly during that adrenaline dump, I think it is fair to say it is unwise to add additional complexity to a very serious situation. While a DA SA trigger wouldn't be the end of the world, I certainly wouldn't want to have the added complexity if I didn't need to.
I think the answer here is a simple striker fired pistol (eg Glock) and much, much more training.
Too bad that'll never happen. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
Great video... I shoot and carry da/sa ... I do shooting and carry a doa and revolver.. about 10 day a month depending on the clothing I wear
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Whichever trigger mechanism has the fewest moving parts and therefore the least likely to fail is one way to choose.
What one has less?
@@johnalessi6004 Don't know. If I had to choose though I'd say the striker-fire. Seems hammer-fired has become somewhat obsolete but hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong.
I think cost is the bigger factor. DA/SA is more expensive to build, so consumers look at an $800 Sig P22x vs a $500 P320 with equal reliability, accuracy, and capacity, and less weight.
Single action - reliably used by police and military for over 100 years.
DA/SA - reliably used by police and military for over 50 years.
Striker fired - the current style used by police and military for the last 30 years.
Single action has less moving parts.
Double action pulls back the trigger and the hammer simultaneously.
Single action simply releases the already cocked back hammer.
Can you do a video of the reset on the da/sa legion with the flat trigger vrs the sao
Best explanation ever…simply awesome
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Single action is safer to me as the uneducated person who might find your gun has to do an extra step (cocking) to shoot. Also you can tell if the hammer isn’t cocked it will take another step to shoot. A decocked DA or DA/SA will (obviously) still appear the same as a decocked single action but the trigger can and will still shoot, appearance alone doesn’t convey the potential danger or readiness of the weapon. So then, like I said, the single action (SA) by appearance alone will convey its need to be cocked, that extra step, to shoot. Question though about da/sa striker fire pistols. Can it be decocked once racked like a single action hammer fired gun? That’s a nice feature imo for readiness and safety on hammer fired, to be able to carry it chambered but decocked. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the informative videos! Could training on a DA pistol help improve your trigger pull on a striker fired pistol?
Yes, especially if you're struggling with trigger management and accuracy issues.
You would think yes but here's an example that might give you some perspective. I am a piano player so my fingers are all over the keyboard they kinda do there own thing on there own but if I work out (exercise) my hands and fingers with one of those squeeze balls or spring clamp squeeze things it dramatically makes my piano playing worse....
I have a Sig p226 da/sa Legion. One of the finest pistols I’ve ever fired.
I agree!
"If you don't know what you are doing you probably should not be picking up and handling guns anyway" Love that statement and so true. Thanks for the video. Very informing
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very cool, and in terms of learning and training I was waiting on pros/cons of each if there was a malfunction between the three? Have a link on this already?
Thank you for watching the video.
If I get any kind of mechanical stoppage, such as a type, one malfunction (round in the chamber that does not go off when the striker or Hammer hits the primer), I will immediately do a remedial action drill. That means I’ll slap the bottom of the magazine to confirm it’s seated followed by racking the slide to eject the round that did not fire.
Some people believe there is an advantage of a double action pistol is the “restrike capability”. For me, I simply want to clear out the problem. If the round in the chamber was not ignited by the firing pin or striker, I want a new round in the chamber. It’s that simple. to each his own. For me, if I press the trigger again, and nothing happens, I’ve already slowed down the amount of time it would’ve taken to simply perform the remedial action to clear the faulty ammunition.
As far as pros and cons, one of these pistols, each of these pistols has pros and cons. For me it is far easier to teach people and for them to learn on a striker fired or single action handgun that has the same trigger pull every time.
I own several double action, revolvers, and a couple of double action, semi automatic pistols. Some people prefer the potential safety benefits of that long double action pull.
However, this is really a training issue. your finger shouldn’t be anywhere near the trigger until you’ve made a conscious decision to fire. If you can’t keep your finger off the trigger until you’ve made a decision to do so you need a lot more practice and a lot more training.
If you are using a double action trigger, you need to practice with the double action trigger and learn the transition from double action to single action. This absolutely can be mastered, but for most people, it takes a fair amount of time and practice. In general, people with double action, semi automatic pistols, tend to shoot them in single action only. The pistol and manual of arms was designed around the double action.
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That's really the thing, whatever you like and you train with is gonna be the one that appeals to you best. As far as one being better than the other, he hit the nail on the head it's about personal appeal, which works best for you and which do you train with the most.
Thanks for the feedback, Ken. 100% on point it's all about training and proficiency.
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Stock p229 .40 with a "legion" trigger job is what I have and the best thing my inexperienced hands have ever shot. Whole setup costs me less than 1k
Good for you
I have a legion p229 legion 9 mm. Softer shooter. Not cheap but awesome.
This video is very very good.
For me single action it is a better fire arm.
Thanks for watching. SA are great!
No matter what weapon you choose...train, train and train some more. Like Colonel Cooper said, make operating the weapon part of your personality.
What makes the weapon safe is the operator.
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100% agree... it's proficiency (gained thru training and practice) that gets you there.
To be honest it always depends on the individual's preference behind the weapon, to be honest when it comes to single action handguns, majority of them that I ever fired, have less recoil, less trigger pull, and more accurate, but the only thing I find wrong with single action handguns is that the hammer has to be cocked back and ready for the gun to even function, honestly I consider that to be a weakness and liability in my personal opinion, which is the reason why all my handguns that I have ever owned are all striker fire handguns.
Frank, I agree with everything you've outlined. I own SA and DA pistols but prefer striker fired guns. Thanks for watching and commenting.
More of a fan of da/sa. Safety off and hammer down makes a safe gun that is ready to shoot without messing with a safety. Its worth the relatively small amount of training in my option. If I find myself in a position where Im pointing my gun at something I might have to shoot, I want to be able to have my finger on that trigger.
I would advocate against that approach unless you're only using DA guns. In all my training and teaching, the trigger finger is always straight along the frame of the gun until you decide to shoot. If you're going to shoot then yes prep the trigger and go for a smooth press... but I've seen many DA shooters cause a negligent discharge when shooting a striker fired gun. The issue is not the trigger it's the user and their training.
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Nothing like SA on a DA/SA pistol . Lately been shooting with a red dot a Glock mos 17 gen 4 . It has a overwatch precision flat face trigger which I like .
Agree they are nice!
No point in buying anything else besides the Legion SAO 226 imo. Perfect gun
It's winner for sure
For accurate long range, single action.
For a saver and quicker response and self defense, striker fire
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Logic says:
1. Striker fire and single action best for targetshooting
2. Double-action best for saftey
3. Double-Action, Single Action = Maybe ultimate for Police / Military. First shot saftey, all other shots short pull.
Sorry it took so long to respond to your comment.
First, thanks for sharing your perspective. I have a different view. Regardless of the type of action, safety is a matter of proper training and lifestyle choice.
I've witnessed more NDs with DAO and DA/SA pistols at the range, in competition, and in classes vs. striker fired guns, but have seen those as well. This is not a flaw of the firearm action, it's a flaw with the individual...their lack of proper training, practice and proficiency. And their willful ignorance and apathy for firearms safety rules.
I do agree that people who won't get proper training and practice AND DO NOT follow the four rules of firearm safety are perhaps safer with a double action only handgun. However, mastering a double action only trigger requires far more training and practice to get combat effective hits on target undress the extreme stress of a life and death fight. So that needs to be factored in as well.
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The Taurus G3C is a striker fired pistol, and has a SA trigger, but it also has restrike capability(DA)
As noted the Taurus 3GC the trigger can reset the striker allowing a 2nd strike ability. But I see it as a highbred not a true striker fired gun. If the trigger can "cock" or in this case reset the striker I would say it's a double action (trigger cocks the striker and then releases it).
From Taurus, "The restrike pull feels more like a double-action revolver pull, with resistance throughout its travel as it reloads the striker and releases the sear."
I'm not a fan of the concept of trying a faulty round a 2nd time. If the round has failed to fire I don't want to waste time trying to fire it again. The round is defective and is preventing me from firing a projectile at a threat. The remedial action drill is tap, rack (eject the faulty round) and assess / fire if needed. I'd always do the remedial action drill regardless of the restrike concept.
Obviously, each person must decide what is the best option for them.
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Would a internal hammer pistol, like the S&W MP's, be similar in action for the operator to the striker fire?
Thanks for commenting. First most M&P Pistols are striker fired. The EZ Shield and a couple of their .22 offerings have an internal hammer. I prefer the trigger on the striker fired guns over the internal hammer, but that's a personal preference. The triggers feel differently enough to me to notice. But I don't believe the average person would notice a whole lot of difference.
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Woah what happened to his hand? Also good points. I definitely prefer SA and striker to DA/SA for consistency sake
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Great video, practice, practice, and more practice. Love all variants here, but striker fired handguns are better for me the beginner.
Be well
Kevin, thank you for your kind words. I think most people who are new to the shooting sports found a striker, fired, pistol much faster to come up to speed with. As you pointed out, which ever type of pistol, you choose it’s critical to get training and practice!
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I always think you are going to say ‘wishe se’ in the welcome intro
I like the DA revolver . I have a 40 Smith and Wesson 4 . 25 looking to get a revolver now
I love revolvers. Own the S&W Model 10, Model 64, Model 19, Model 686, 642 and the Ruger Match Champion.
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You seem like you'd be a very good neighbor to have. Idk why. It's a compliment lol!!
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Sending this video to my dad
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Can you manually cock the hammer on a DA/SA semi automatic to make it SA and a light trigger pull on the first shot?
Yes, you can. In fact, when you rack the slide to chamber a round, the pistol will be in SA. Thanks for watching.
I love SAO. My comfort zone is a 1911 Condition 1. Drop the thumb and that glass like trigger.... mmmm! Same with my M17. Carrying one in the stove used to make me anxious. Now it's the only way I carry. Either way, Invest in a good holster and get familiar with your weapon.
Sir, thank you so much for commenting. Ultimately it comes down to training, practice, and developing a high-level of proficiency to ensure you know what you’re doing and how your pistol operates. Equality holster that covers the trigger guard completely is essential.
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Any DA triggers, as long it does not have any trigger/grip safety... XD
This felt a bit condescending. So, some of us prefer double action because there are thousands of incidents each year in America due to clothing, or other material touching the trigger. I have seen countless articles, videos, and stories about "professionals" with lots of training having accidents with their pistol because humans make mistakes. They drop it, bump it (and something touches trigger), or countless other ways the firearm can discharge while in single action. A good example of this is when people carry one chambered with striker fire pistols. The P320 Sig was blamed for hundreds of discharges and some deaths, without the trigger ever being pulled. Well, the truth is that the trigger was pulled, but the trigger was really light. Sometimes an officers holster had debris, or materials where it shouldn't have so when the officer bent forward the trigger got pulled enough to set it off. There are literally thousands of incidents to review. The fact is, even if you are safe, you can prevent the most death each year by carrying double action, or without one chambered.
Sir, you make many valid points. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and observations. I think double action pistols are great. I own several of them. At the same time I prefer striker fired guns and haven’t had any issue with any of the things you describe. As far as the Sig polymer pistols, I’ve never been a fan of those, and given their safety issues I wouldn’t carry one.
I do own a double action Sig Legion, 226 and a single action only 226. Both are fine pistols.
In reality, Stupid things are done by ignorant or apathetic people who are not properly trained or are ambivalent about safety.
I would note that the majority of well-known firearms trainers throughout the United States shoot striker fired handguns. The exception was at the sigsauer Academy, where they were running single action only 9 mm.
I happen to know a some of the top instructors , and they are certainly capable of running a double action, pistol, very well, but like me, they prefer the consistency of the trigger pull through every shot. And the reliability and durability of striker fired pistols.
Finally, I am completely completely agnostic as far as the specific type of action someone uses. That being said, it is incumbent upon the user to be proficient and safe with their weapon. If they can’t operate their pistol and a safe, responsible manner they probably shouldn’t be carrying one.
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Hi I'm a noob, but if I rack the slide of a DA/SA gun, doesn't it essentially behave like a SA only after that?
Thanks for commenting and watching. Yes, you are correct. If you cycle the slide on a DA/SA pistol, the hammer will be cocked and thus the pistol will be in SA mode.
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@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC in a da/sa gun, when putting in a loaded magazine, do you still have to rack the slide to chamber a round? Or just putting the mag in the gun will get ready for the double action pull to fire? Thanks in advance.
@@ERizzo5 you must rack the slide and the lower the hammer
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To me it’s gotta be the striker fire. It’s just easier, I like a stick drive but automatic is less work for the same end results.
I would agree with you. For me striker fire pistols are much easier and more consistent to shoot. That being said, I think it really comes down to training and ongoing practice. What I really like about striker fired guns is the consistent trigger pull on every single shot.
Oregon? I thought you're in New Hampshire.
Move out here a year and half ago. Grew up here and family is from here.
How about it depends on the operator and the use. If you're cramming a striker fired pistol down the front of your pants unholstered than you are asking to lose an important piece of yourself. I do believe that a double action give you more time to commit to sending a projectile down range although "more time" could cost you your life. In the service of my state and country (military and Leo) I have pointed my weapon and more humans than I can count and I have "not shot" many many more than I have shot. Sometimes the double action trigger or safety is a nice "second chance " decision before putting someone down. Maybe it's mental... but it is there.
Sir, thank you for watching and commenting. Also thank you for your service to our country.
There are certainly benefits of double action pistols and even revolvers in that there is an extra benefit assuming the user does not have a good trigger discipline.
My perspective is there is no one best type of firearm. In this video I was discussing how and why specific firearms are named and how and why one may have a benefit to one specific type of person versus another.
Anyone who is cramming any type of handgun into their pants without an appropriate holster is stupid and quite frankly probably should not be carrying a gun in the first place.
As someone who has spent lots of time and money in various classes throughout the United States, I’ve seen negligent discharges with double action pistols at greater frequency than any other type. This is purely a training issue because the people who were using that double action pistol were not using the tool properly. They did not for example use the DeCocker on a pistol and jammed it into their holster and a piece of fabric was protruding. This caused a negligent discharge. I’ve seen others where the person who is operating a double action semi automatic fired a couple of rounds and the pistol was in single action mode at that point. They had a lazy trigger disciplined and as they moved the gun to re-holster they did not remove their finger and sent a round very close to their leg.
I own double action semi automatic pistols. I think they’re excellent tools. They, like a striker fired or a single action pistol, require training and practice. Without those two things any three of these pistols could potentially be misused by someone who is arrogant, or ignorant about the operations and weapon craft of their specific pistols design.
Get training, get more training, practice, practice and repeat. In my opinion, it’s not the tool, it’s the operator of the tool who has the responsibility to learn how to use it safely and proficiently.
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I love my sig 229 dak and. NEed help finding something similar
Good choice!
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Striker fired bother me because you can't easily tell if it's cocked. Plus they're made of plastic, and it's much safer to have your hand insulated with steel when a round of ammo is exploding in it.
You know if a hammer fired is ready to rock and roll just by looking at it, and the last thing you want when handling a firearm is more room for error.
Tim, thanks for commenting.
Over the years, I've put 30,000+ rounds through DA/SA pistols and revolvers. My perspective, having fired 80,000 rounds through striker fired guns is they are no more or less safe than SA or DA designs.
If the operator isn't trained or willing to get training, then any type of tool can be dangerous. Ignorant, arrogant or apathetic people who use tools of any kind can certainly be dangerous. But is the issue the specific tool or the operator? I submit it's the operator.
I've trained hundreds of people in the safe practical use of firearms. My students have used DA, SA and striker fired guns. No students have been less safe using one type or another because they believe in and followed the firearms safety rules.
The issue at hand is one of proper training and practice.
Next, gun's don't blow up randomly. I've seen only two such incidents and in both cases it was operator error after shooting a squib load. The squib round lodged in the barrel. And that was obvious from the sound and lack of the slide cycling. The ignorant users, didn't stop or assess what had happened. They stupidly ejected the spent casing and tried to fire a new round ... the result was a kaboom. One frame was polymer and one was steel. Neither resulted in serious injury requiring medical attention, other that a sore hand.
I've seen more negligent discharges with DA pistols because of apathy and ignorance.
The number one factor in firearms safety is following the four rules for firearms safety and getting enough training and practice that he operator is safe regardless of the type of firearm used.
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I like the striker fire better than SA or DA, as a design perspective, striker fire looks like it will hold up better in terms of reliability. Also striker fire just looks way more sleek.
Thanks for commenting. Hammer fired pistols and revolvers are reliable. The advantages of the striker fired design is a consistent trigger press (pull) on every shot. It's all a matter of training.
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@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC it isn't about your finger.. it is about other things caching on the trigger. Being able to thumb the hammer while also having a long double action pull means if for whatever reason, the trigger snags on something, the gun won't fire.
You harp on 'training' yes. you need to.. working on DA trigger pulls is just the same as your other training.
Ted, thank you for raising those important points. I agree 100% with you that if if the user is dedicated to mastering the pistol through training and practice, double action pistols are an excellent choice!
In my years of attending classes and teaching classes, I’ve seen one negligent discharge in one of my classes. That had to do with someone who is prepping the trigger (DAO pistol) and was not paying attention to what they were doing. Fortunately the muzzle was pointed toward the target.
What I’ve witnessed though is two unintentional or negligent, discharges, using double action to single action pistols. (Not in my classes). The problem was the folks who were using them. were not familiar with the manual of Arms, which requires decocking of the Hammer before going into the holster. I’ve also witnessed similar stuff at IDPA matches. These were not striker fired pistols, or single action. Pistols were safeties. They were double action pistols and people just did not have the skills to be operating them.
Ted, if you go to any range, you will see most people who own double action pistols only shoot them in single action. They don’t practice dropping the hammer or using the decocking mechanism to the degree where they are confident and safe. Most of them have nice high-quality double action pistols, but don’t want to work on the discipline of mastering the first long double action trigger pole and then transitioning to single action. Because this requires work, repetition, and practice.
Again, the two negligent discharges, had to do with people rushing a cocked DA pistol after shooting it…they were in single action mode and for whatever reason in a hurry to get into holster and completely forgot about the manual of arms of decocking that pistol.
It really comes down to training. I know plenty of people who shoot a double action pistol extremely well. These folks also have trained extensively, shooting double action for the first shot decocking and repeating that drill. This helps and grain the proper muscle memory needed.
I own couple of double action pistols. I like them a lot and have trained with them extensively. I also own pistols with external safety. Those are valuable. I personally have never had an issue or seen problems with striker fired pistols unless the operator induces the error themselves. This is the same with a double action pistol. However, if the double action pistol is left in single action mode without an external safety, and the hammer is not de cocked, people who are not fully trained get into trouble.
To me it all comes down to training. Training yourself to look at the holster when you’re returning the Handgun to the Holsters critical. So is learning the master the manual of arms associated with the particular type of pistol you were shooting. At the end of the day I believe we are in agreement and for some people the double action pistol is an excellent choice. I’ve carried one myself for a couple of years. But I’ve gone back to Stryker fired pistols which for me work great. Especially since you can get striker fired pistols with an external safety.
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment. I always enjoyed learning from people like yourself and having the opportunity to engage in respectful discussion. Stay safe.
Do they still make dao semi auto.
Like p250
Yes Sig has DAO options, but dont believe there in on for the Legion.
My dad told me one time never point a gun at anyone unless you have to my dad taught me how to shoot a gun I shot a double single and a striker fire so and my dad always told me when you load the pistol don't ever point it at anybody
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It’s all personal preference. Single action seems outdated to me. I like double action and striker fire 🔥
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Oh, you've dedicated yourself to not making a mistake ever.......then that's it I guess. haha. Besides the flaws with THAT mindset, I think the reported downsides of DA/SA guns are overblown. I have recently started using a da/sa gun and I will say the difficulties of the double action trigger, and especially the transition between da to sa, are overhyped. I WILL concede that the double action trigger is a different type of skill than a striker fired gun and requires that you dedicate a fair amount of time to learning that skill but I honestly don't think it is harder to do. By that I mean, if you dedicated all the time you have on a striker fired trigger towards learning to roll a double action trigger, you will perform equally as well. My draw to first round isn't QUITE as fast with my beretta 92 as it is with my glock but I also only have maybe 300 rounds through the Beretta and several THOUSANDS through the glock but I'm only talking a tenth of a second difference. It does take practice as the constant rolllllllllllll of the trigger is a different motion/movement entirely from the "slack out, wall, and break" of the striker fired gun. I think idea of the transition from da to sa being difficult is ridiculous. You are smoothly pulling an 8 pound trigger, it goes bang, you let the trigger out and take up the slack again all under recoil of the first shot, then begin smoothly pulling the trigger again except now it only requires 2 pounds of pressure to fire. There's absolutely no thought that goes into it. And actually, now you have a single action trigger that is far superior to ANY striker fired trigger. My current operating theory is that I have all the fine precision of a single action but without the annoyance of a thumb safety because the DA pull is my safety. So, I am not a fully converted DA/SA guy, but I think there is merit there. We will see what another 500 rounds on a DA gun gets me in terms of speed and accuracy for that first round.
Thanks for your detailed insight!
A few years ago I took many, many classes at the Sig Academy in NH. All the trainers I worked with shot SAO 226 pistols. I have a Legion 226 SAO and love it. Have the same version in DA/SA. I like it but my edc is the P365XL.
Just a personal preference.
Important to remember if you’re shooting of DA pistol a lot and are used to the 8-9 lb trigger, and then you pick up a striker fired or SAO pistol be mindful of prepping the trigger. Seen some unintended firing events when a user switches to a very different trigger.
There are lots of good reasons that the DA/SA pistol is a good option to consider.
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So striker fired is best, got it 👍
Not saying one is best. I prefer the striker fired or SA pistols. But many folks prefer DA guns. Whatever works best for the operator!
0:22 what gun is that?
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Personally for a carry gun i prefer double action with no safeties. Also personally i wish companies made left handed guns and it is not just expensive custom 1911's because i am left handed and the gun feels too awkward in my right hand no matter how much i would train with it. And no i am not just talking about grips as i can make a custom grip i need the spent casings to be ejected from the left hand side not the usual right hand side. And if it had a safety i would never use the safety as gun training is better than stuff that would get you killed in a pinch because you have to turn off the safety as seconds and nano seconds matter
Again you can get custom 1911's with lefthanded side ejection ports but those type of custom orders are about 6-7K USD (tax and FFL transfer fee not counted) as let's face it us left handed shooters are in the minority here
Though i do suppose that if left handed guns was more common on the market people would actually be dual wielding because you don't have to worry about the casing hitting the other gun and or bouncing off and hitting you in the face. Seriously people will dual wield and learn how to fire with two guns at the same time if left hand side ejection ports were more common
If you ask me a gun is not truly left handed if the ejection port is not on the left hand side even if they have ambidextrous controls for safety, mag release, take down all that type of stuff as the casings are still ejecting towards the right hand side
Now there are plenty of left handed rifles and shotguns this is mostly EDC Pistols i am talking about. And a lot of shotguns usually are ambidextrous
Though funny thing is with bolt action guns for left handed shooters the bolt being on the right hand side is actually a bonus as we don't have to let go of our grip when we rack it. One would also think the bolt would be on the other side for right handed people to do the same as it is a major benefit to right handers. Like here is a good example on one would think the bolt would be on the left hand side a AK the bolts are actually on the right hand side making it great for left handed shooters except for the fact that the casings eject from the right hand side as well making it like a big middle finger to both
Let's look at the Hi-Point carbine it is a great example of a right handed rifle as the ejection port is on the right and the bolt to rack it is on the left hand side, now if you buy a conversion kit from High tower armory you can turn it into a bullpup gun which you can put the charging handle on either side as it is ambidextrous even with the safeties around the trigger which you don't have to use, the conversion kit is just you putting it in a different stock pretty much
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@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Sure i will. Also sometimes what i like to do to impress my dad's coworkers is shoot pistols left handed but shoot rifles right handed, as again left hand dominant and right eye dominant. So pretty much i try to experiment and give myself the best of both worlds
My dad actually taught me how to line up the front sights of a rifle with what i see in the scope so i can shoot them with accuracy both left handed or right handed. There is also really no advice i could give with this type of practice other than just do it. For bolt actions you don't really need to worry about shells or spent casings hitting you in the face, but if you are really worried about it you can actually get a brass deflector.
Even Hi-Point Firearms sells brass deflectors you an just add on for the Pistol Caliber Carbines, so lefty gun shooters don't have to worry. Unfortunately they say you need the factory rear sight that comes installed to install it onto your gun but i would not know as i never used it.
But yeah in summery i tend to shoot how i am most comfortable Pistols/any hand gun left handed and rifles/any long gun that i need to shoulder for long distance right handed as i need to use my dominant eye but as long as it is within 30 feet i can shoot left handed with any long gun using the front sights and being pretty accurate.
Also i really do wanna learn how to dual wield one day but ima need a gun with the ejection port on the left hand side for that as i don't want brass hitting my hand or have them acting weirdly and going off on a slight delay and not a double rate of fire. Unfortunate part to that though is the custom 1911's are only in .45 ACP and i like either 9mm or 40cal preferably 40cal. And yes before you ask i do pushups so my arms can withstand the recoil without the gun being braced by my other hand which is a prerequisite to dual wield, as if you can't withstand it the gun is going to hit you in the face or double fire and you don't won't either of those to happen.
Now a way to train it for those that like a little risk is to put a bullet in the chamber and fire the bullet one handed repeat this till you can actually control the recoil one handed. I say risky as there is a chance it will hit you in the face but it is a fast way to work out your arm instead of doing pushups, and do not some guns needs some recoil to finish cycling otherwise there will be a malfunction you would have to clear. Sorry for rambling i think i am just a gun nerd
DA was rendered obsolete when striker fire was introduced.
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For duty ( police officer) and for IPSC what is the best??? Da/sa or strike fired?
This question is best answered by saying that training is this issue, not the specific action of the pistol.
As far as what I'd prefer, for IPSC, I'd choose a striker fired or SA action pistol. Those allow a consistent trigger pull from first to last shot. For duty, my preference would be striker fired (FBI and many state and local police use striker fired pistols). DA/SA pistols are also an excellent choice for duty but the training and practice to master the first DA pull to the SA pull on the subsequent shots, not to mention decocking the hammer at the end of the firing sequence simply require more training and practice.
I think SA pistols a good for duty, because the trigger is generally far easier to manage, but SA pistol for duty carry requires more training and practice. Unfortunately, most Law Enforcement Agency's don't want to spend the time and more to train their officers.
Hope this perspective helps. Stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC so for you the choice is strike fired
@@user-lm3uc9eu8i If I was shooting IPSC only I likley would shoot SA like the STI Staccato XL 9mm, for minor and .40 for major.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC i have shoot with STI.... I liked it . But i want not a " fat " gun xaxa. I have problem with my waistline.....
So i would choose a polymer gun or semi polymer. I think cz p10sc is better than glock . And the other is phoenix fusion compact
Which one is best? Well...it depends?
That’s pretty much my answer to most of these kinds of questions. Because it really does depend. Depends on personal preference, training, practice and so much more. Thanks for commenting and watching.
I understand what you are saying, but even the best trained individual can have a ND if his clothes snag on the trigger while reholstering. Putting my thumb on the external hammer gives me an early warning that the trigger is moving when reholster the pistol SLOWLY.
Thank you for commenting. I agree. No one should be in a hurry to get back to the holster if they’ve had to present the weapon in the first place.
In the 20+ Years of teaching, I’ve never had anyone on my class had a negligent discharge while holstering . The majority of people in my classes were using striker fired pistol.
However, I have seen ND happen at two classes I attended. In both cases, the operator was using a double action pistol. They had not taken the time to decock the pistol before holstering. And, as you’ve noted, a piece of fabric got in front of the trigger, as it was being holstered. Both events this happened to someone using a double action pistol that was in single action at this stage. The operator failed to follow the manual of arms to Decock the pistol back into double action before holstering .
That doesn’t imply that single action or double action pistols aren’t reliable, or that a negligent discharge cannot happen with any of the types of pistols discussed.
I would note that the majority of police forces in the United States are now using striker fire pistols. And I’ve work with a few different police agencies. I can tell you that many of the folks who carry guns in their work as law-enforcement officers are not necessarily highly trained or skilled. We do not hear about negligent discharges when holstering. Could it happen? Absolutely.
In my opinion the problem is the operator not the specific action of the pistol.
For me each operator must choose whatever handgun they want to use…then train with it and practice to a degree that they have enough proficiency to be able to operate that weapon safely. If the operator does not have the time, effort, or desire to do this, they should probably rethink carrying a pistol for personal protection.
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lots of people who have owned guns for many years have accidents. My metal shop teacher taught me the people with the most experience on dangerous equipment are the ones who become complacent with the power tools and have accident's.
Ken, I couldn’t agree more. The primary cause of negligent discharges is ignorance and apathy. Too many people become complacent about firearm safety. There are also problems with general arrogance of people who think they know what to do when in fact they don’t. It really comes down to making a lifestyle commitment to firearms safety and part of that is getting formal training and practicing skills to maintain proficiency.
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Which is best - the one you have with you.
Agree. The one you have with you... and the one you have proficiency with.
Sorry as someone who has carried a double action pistol for 25 years it has to be double action from a complete safety angle.
I appreciate you commenting and watching. Also thank you for sharing your perspective.
I also have been caring for 25 years. And been fortunate to do a hundreds of hours of training with some exceptional teachers.
With the exception of training at the sigsauer Academy where most of the trainers were using a single action only version of the 226, the majority of the trainers I’ve shot or trained with were using striker fired guns. I would also point out that the majority of law-enforcement agencies in United States as well as the FBI are using a striker fired pistols. If in fact it was purely a safety thing then my guess is they’ve been using double action only pistols.
The reality is the trigger action and mastery of it is a training issue. Firearm Safety is a training and lifestyle choice.
I was at a class where someone was using a double action / single action pistol. This guy failed to decock his pistol before holstering. When he did reholster he ended up having a negligent discharge due to a piece of fabric from this shirt getting into the trigger guard . The issue was not the gun ...the issue was the user and the way in which the user was ignoring the manual of arms associated with that specific firearm. This is the only negligent discharge in a class I ever saw.
I’ve taught hundreds of civilians many of whom are new to shooting and I’ve had the opportunity to teach and do training with law-enforcement. In none of my classes has there been a negligent discharge although 80 to 90% of the people were using striker fired or single action only pistols.
I agree with you 100% if the user is luntrained, does not use proper safety protocols and is lazy with their trigger discipline then absolutely a double action trigger may provide significant benefits. I own On several revolvers and a few double action pistols. I enjoyed all of them and feel they are a great option for personal protection or concealed carry.
At the end of the day it’s all about training. Once again thanks so much for your perspective.
Should I buy a Glock 19 da only should I buy it it’s a 3 gen
The Glock is a striker fired gun not DAO… but yes a Gen 3 G19 is a good pistol!
Under stress people might react differently then they trained…
Thank you for your comments. I think I have a different view. Just about any person who has been involved in a gunfight all say they revert to their training. It goes without saying the lack of training does not prepare you.
I’ve been fortunate to do some force on force training with simunitions and I can tell you for m it was all about training. When I got a stoppage, I was able to clear it and didn’t even realize it until I saw the video. Same thing with delivering accurate hits. I saw the sites or the red dot on the target and pressed the trigger.
This is true regardless of the type of firearm that is being used. I do agree with you that if you have trained with a double action, pistol or revolver, you will apply that training under stress.
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To me there is no difference between SAO and Striker fire gun since they essentially function the same, when you cock you are ready to fire (if you do not cock your gun then there is no fire :)) the only difference between them is safety (safety lock versus trigger safety) but, BUT... SAO trigger is always more pleasant to shoot than any SF trigger. DA/SA is maybe more "safer" for beginners or for those who rarely use the gun, otherwise there is no particular reason to choose DA/SA gun over the other actions. If you ask me SA is clear winner for most.
Thanks for your perspective.
I don't feel the SAO and striker fired guns are the same. To me the trigger action is very different. Most SAO trigger have very little take up and a very distinct "break". Plus the trigger reset is short. Depending on the striker fired gun shot, the trigger may disengage the internal safety (Glock Safe action trigger), and of course release the striker. The trigger reset is usually longer. There is often significant take up in the trigger before striker is released.
Bottom line we agree the SAO triggers can be exceptional, but I normally carry and shoot striker fired guns.
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@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC tnx for your reply we agree about action of trigger, but I was thinking about the function of the gun it self that there is no difference in operating the gun. It’s same rack and pull the trigger :))
My taurus g2c is both double & single action all that shits irrelevant what matters is how good you are with your tools
Thank you for your comment. My perspective is that it is extremely valuable to understand different types of operating systems as well as the mechanics associated. You are correct that the users proficiency with whatever tool they select is paramount. Thanks again for your comments.
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I vote DA/SA.
P.S. DAO is a rational choice as well.
Thank you so much for watching it commenting. It all comes down to training with whatever specific platform you choose. People who don’t train and practice are unlikely to have the proficiency necessary to actually use the tool.
Over the years I’ve taken several classes at the Sig Academy. The majority of their trainers were using single action only 9 mm 226 pistols. Yes, there are a few that use double action pistols, but the majority of folks now are using the Sig striker fired pistols.
My primary carry guns and Range pistols are striker fired guns. I do have a love affair with revolvers and shoot them frequently. However, that long double action trigger pull, on a revolver or double action, pistol even that has had work on it from a trigger standpoint, is not as easy to shoot quickly an accurately as , a striker fired pistol for me. It’s the transition from double action to single action that requires a lot of training.
That being said, I’ve seen multiple people who only shoot double action pistols, and they are exceptional. It really comes down to practice in training.
Finally, I would note that most top instructors in the United States are not shooting double action, semi automatic pistols. They’re shooting striker fired pistols.
Bottom line, whatever tool is selected, the user must get training, practice, practice and stress test themselves if if they expect to use that tool for a defensive encounter.
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective. I am agnostic as far as the specific type of pistol used. I’m just hoping whoever selects any handgun is properly trained and proficient.
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I have a striker fired handgun that is da/sa.
Yes, unless the semi is a double action only ( DAO) or single action SAO you’ll have a DA/SA.
Training aside, there is no way to convince some people, including myself, that a relatively heavier double action isn't inherently safer than a striker fired trigger without a safety. The most common single action hammer fired designs incorporate manual safeties in their design for a reason. Yes, there are other trade-offs to consider. The speed and consistency in striker fired triggers weighed against the mechanical accuracy of da/sa triggers. The worst sa trigger is better than the best striker in that regard Im sorry thats just a fact
Sir, thank you for sharing your perspective. If a double action, semi automatic pistol works for you, and you feel safe and proficient with it I am all for it. I own double action pistols, and think they are fine tools. I’ve seen negligent discharge is with double action, revolver and pistols, and I’ve seen them with single action and striker fire guns. Ultimately, it’s a matter of proper weapons craft, training, and proficiency.
I’m agnostic as far as the type of action or tool used. At the end of the day, it’s all about training, more training, and more practice.
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Striker fired pistols also have single and double action.
Thanks for commenting. I disagree with your statement. To be clear, "double action" refers to the trigger "cocking the hammer" and then "dropping the hammer". A single action trigger performs one function to "release/drop the hammer".
Most striker fired pistol have the striker spring retracted when the slide is cycled. So the trigger doesn't "cock the hammer or striker". The the trigger only deactivates the internal safety and releases the striker.
Some polymer framed pistols do have an internal hammer but these are considered SA or DA pistols not true striker fired pistols.
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I think most people would do better with a striker fired pistol over a DA/SA. I have owned all three and shot enough to form an opinion and a SA is another level on proficency.
You and I have a similar perspective on that. And all the classes I’ve taken and all the classes I’ve taught I’ve seen people, especially new shooters do much better with a striker fired pistol. A double action pistol is indeed a fine option it just requires more training to transition from the heavy double action pull to the single action pull.
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which is less likely to blow my jewels off
If you would do something stupid, like, "hey, here's a gun, cool, let me put my finger on the trigger" /proceeds to put finger on the trigger
Ted Hodge Thanks for your comments. The intention of that was a demonstration of what can happen when people who are not familiar with firearm safety can do. I had demonstrated that all guns were unloaded and was using this as a teaching moment. The finger on the trigger at that point was intentional, again knowing I had checked and rechecked the pistols several times in the video and before making the video. Thanks again for your comments.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC I know, I'm just giving you a hard time :P Thank you for the video.
For me D/S Action always better
Excellent! I believe the user should pick the action that works best for them.
Lots of well trained competent people have accidents.
Sir, thank you so much. I couldn’t agree with you more. Many people who have training become complacent and have not fully adopted firearm safety as a lifestyle choice. Human beings are human beings. We get distracted, we think of other things and we also have the hubris and arrogance to believe we are always in control. Based on all of that, I am a huge believer in training and stress testing one’s abilities.
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DA/SA is the best type of action. You have the option to carry it ready to rock or you can keep the hammer down. A SA trigger pull is lighter and allows for faster follow ups than a DAO. Having a shorter travel distance to fire also means you have less of a chance of flubbing the trigger pull like on a DAO. You also don't have to worry about remember to cock the hammer like on a SAO. If you want consistent trigger pulls, just keep it cocked. Lastly, the triggers are better, smoother, and less mushy than on Striker fired.
It's all a matter of training and proficiency. I would note the majority of top civilian and law enforcement instructors shoot striker fired guns. I took numerous classes at Sig Academy and most of the staff was shooting 226 SAO or the newer Sig striker fired pistols.
I've attended dozens of classes over a 30 year period. 90% of the students shot striker fired guns. Of the 28 different instructors I trained with or taught with only 2 used DA/SA pistols. The other 26 used striker fired guns.
I own and train with all three action types. I prefer striker fired pistols but would be fine with my Sig L226 Legion DA/SA or Kimber 1911 SA pistol. Safety and proficiency is a matter of proper training and practice not the type of handgun.
"Flubbing " the trigger pull as you describe it would indicate a complete lack of proper training and basic proficiency.
Bottom line, train, practice and use whatever defensive tool you can safely operate under stress. If you can't safely operate the type of pistol you're using, get more training and practice.
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What ever works
Right on... us the one that works best for you.
I loved both. 1911's and modern pistols, the more variety the better cause you can't go wrong either. Rather a gun then no gun.
- Truth
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I love my striker fired pistols. I learned to shoot putting thousands of rounds through a Glock 19. But when it came time to carry, I chose a CZ-P07 because the best carry position for me is appendix carry, and accidents happen. Given identical levels of training, to me, a DA/SA pistol is more safe than a striker fired pistol. A striker fired pistol is simply more prone to a negligent discharge than a DA/SA pistol.
James, thanks for your perspective. My view is that a DA/SA trigger is not safer than a striker fired pistol unless the user doesn't train and practice. I agree that for many people who just won't fully invest in ongoing practice and classes / training then a DA/SA might provide benefits. In my experience it's all about training and practice. I most people won't train on the transition from long DA to short SA, and have seen more NDs with DA/SA triggers than anything else. Bottom line, use what you feel safe and proficient with. For me the striker fired G19, G48 or my trust ed M&P compact work just fine. Thanks again for sharing your insights!
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC do u like 320s? I’ve grown to love them very reliable for me and accuracy is on point great triggers
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC You're welcome. And thanks for your perspective. It's an individual choice, and I understand that. For me it just comes down to physics. I carry with a round in the chamber. When I draw or holster with a striker fired pistol in that condition, the striker is cocked. Any action pressing the trigger back enough, intensional or not, fires that round. With a DA/SA pistol, round in the chamber and decocked, the chances of this happening are simply much less because 1) the hammer is not cocked, and 2) much more force is required to press the trigger back far enough to fire the round. I'm comfortable transitioning from DA to SA. I train on that constantly. The Glock 19 is a great pistol. I just feel more comfortable carrying a DA/SA pistol. I've been training with a Sig P229 lately too. Much more slide to grab onto than the CZ-P07. That's my only CZ-P07 complaint. Thanks for the great channel!
@@jamescarter4175 I hear you. It sounds like you’ve got the right set up for you and for what you want to do. I have great respect for anyone who trains and is always working on developing their skills. Thanks for all of your insights and feedback! Stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Thanks. And you're welcome. Same to you.
Single action
Single action is a great choice.
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1911 style SAO and SA/DA are both safe in different ways. Conversely, I will never run a modern striker-fired gun. Light, short-travel trigger with no visible hammer and no safety? No thanks.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. To me this is about training with your specific handgun.
I've carried use trained with striker fired guns for 25 years. The only NDs I've seen in training have been with SAO and DA pistols. It doesn't mean that these platforms are unsafe it means the users were not using their safeties or decocker and are very sloppy with trigger management. On target on trigger, off target off trigger. I've also seen NDs in competitions with an AR platform carbine, because the use was not using the safety when moving. In all cases that a ND happened it was the user, not the gun it was the user.
Many of the major federal and local police agencies in the USA use striker fired guns. FBI, State Police, Local, as well as certain Special Operators. Remember, the issue isn't the handgun. It's the user's training or lack thereof.
Perhaps if you're referring to new shooters who lack basic firearms education, training, safety skills, and don't understand trigger discipline then perhaps a DA pistol might help these folks not hurt themselves or others... but at the end of the day they need training.
Bottom line use what works for you and if that's a DA/SA pistol, all good in my book!
So, the flick of the thumb to take off the safety, vs cocking the hammer with your thumb as you present... ?
Sa seems like for those 1911 fanboys that love a safety and single action feel.
I can achieve the same sa with using the same thumb to cock as i present IF I WANT TO
Thank you for watching and commenting. My view is slightly different. If you are under a flight fear response or severely stressed out the ability to cock the hammer with your thumb during a presentation I think it’s much more difficult to do vs sweeping off the safety as you present the pistol. Sure it could be done I just don’t think it’s a very practical or safe process. In all the years I’ve been training and attending different academies, I’ve never met anyone who practices for teaches What your advocating. It’s not taught by Larry Vickers, Ken Hatkathorn, Jeff Gonzalez, Todd Green, I could go on and on with various instructors who have never advocated or taught this approach. At least not anyone who is currently using any kind of modern weapon craft. Again you should do whatever you feel most comfortable and safest with. There are certainly many different approaches and as long as they are safe and allow for the practical use of the handgun they are all worth considering. Thanks again for sharing your feedback with our subscribers. All the best and stay safe.
@guns,gear. Its part of the advanced training class ;-)
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@@samueltorres7555 Thanks, apparently I was sleeping during that part of those classes! Thanks again for your input and perspective. I'm a firm believer that as long as it's safe and works for the user, go for it! Stay safe.
Risk management - DA/SA for lowest probability of shooting dick off. If you want to point a pre-cocked striker-fired pistol at your junk, then more power to you. Has nothing to do with training or proficiency. Do you trust that the pre-cocked striker-fired will absolutely not fail?
Thank you for watching and sharing your perspective. The ability to safely re- holster with any type of handgun is a matter of training and proficiency.
I would note that many of the top trainers who are former special operators use striker, fired pistols, and many of them carry in a 2 o’clock appendix position.
In addition, many people carry at the 4 o’clock position, either inside the waistband or outside the waistband.
I agree with you completely that each user should determine their own needs and specific requirements when selecting any type of firearm.
Thank you again for commenting. All the best and stay safe.
omg, you way over-estimate mammalian cognition...
Hey sir, thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLCistm, that for the masses, the DA first squeeze is the best compromise between striker under tension and empty chamber. Good video. Thank you.
Double action messy's with accuracy. Sorry don't like it.
Thanks for your input. It definitely takes more time to master the double action to single action transition on DA pistols but with practice any can shoot them just as accurate as a striker or SA trigger. To me it's about training with the tool (gun) you intent to use... not the tool itself.